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Mega Edition: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 1-3) (5/18/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to begin taking
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a look at the Tova Noel deposition that she gave
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to the OIG investigators as part of the investigation into
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the death of Jeffrey Epstein. So we're going to skip
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over all of the swearing in and all of that
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and we're just going to dive in. So once again,
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the person asking questions has his name or adacted, and
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Tovin Noel's lawyer is named mister Foy, So when mister
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Foy interjects and you hear me say Foy, that's what
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I'm talking about. And she also has a second attorney
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with her, mister Sarahga, So when either of them objected,
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I'll make sure to notate that as we're making our
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way through this. And the final person that's involved in
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this is miss greg who is part of the union
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I believe or the corrections officer Toavi Noel redacted, Thank
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you everyone, Miss Noel, you're here today as a subject
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in this DOJ OIG investigation. This DOJ OIG investigation concerns
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your allegedmisconduct to include allegations of false statements, job performance failure,
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security failure, and reporting false information. This is an official
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DOJ OIG investigation, and you're being asked to voluntarily provide
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answers to our questions. Will you agree to voluntarily interview
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with the DOJ OIG, Miss Noel, Yes question? All right, great,
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And then everybody that does voluntary interviews with the DOJ,
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we provide them with voluntary interview forms. I don't know
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if you guys were sent that at the time, but
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it says United States Department of Justice, Office of the
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Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to employee requested to provide
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information on a voluntary basis. You're being asked to provide
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information as part of an investigation being conducted by the
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Office of the Inspector General. This investigations being conducted pursuant
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to the Inspector General Act of nineteen seventy eight, as amended.
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This investigation pertains to your alleged misconduct, to include allegations
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of false statements, job performance failure, security failure, and reporting
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false information. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do
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not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be
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taken against you if you choose not to answer questions.
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Any statement that you furnish may be used as evidence
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in any future criminal proceeding or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both,
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And of course there's the DPA waiver. I understand the
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warnings and assurances started above or stated above, and I'm
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willing to make a statement or answer questions. No promises
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or threats have been made to me, and no pressure
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or corep version of any kind has been used against me.
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You can take a look at this and review it
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if you agree. There's a section there for your name
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and signature. FOI. So the only thing that this is
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actually subject to is the defer prosecution agreement redacted. Well,
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so there's the agreement that you had. So that's the
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part where I'm talking about, the specific part where it
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says criminal. That's something I think that was worked out
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with the US Attorney's Office, FOI, right exactly. I know
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there is no sort of protection with regard to the
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disciplinary internally, the administrative thing will happen at some point,
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but I just wanted to make that clearer. But go ahead.
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You can sign TOVA redacted. Now obviously that is pursuing
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to you answering questions truthfully. Foy, right, of course, that's
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the exception to our agreement. Noel, uh huh, redacted, all right,
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and the rest will be filled out by the two
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of us. Foy okay, redacted, and thank you for signing,
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Miss Noel. All right. So I'm going to sign where
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it says signature of the Office of the Inspector General
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Special Agent again, this is redacted. I'm printing my name
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and special agent redacted. Can you fill out the rest
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of the signature of witness name a witness, date, time,
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and place, mister adacted. This is agent redacted signing on
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the signature of witness redacted. And then do you understand
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the form as you read and you review? Noel, yes,
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I do, redacted? Great, thank you. Before starting the interview,
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I'd like to place you under oath. Can you please
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raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the
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truth and nothing but the truth during the interview? Miss Noel? Yes, question,
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Thank you, ma'am. All right. Please let me know if
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you do not understand any of my questions redacted, try
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to rephrase or ask it a different way. Noel, okay,
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redacted question. All right, So this this is something we
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ask everybody what's your current home address? Noel redacted? Thank you?
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What's your date of birth? Noel redacted? Question? And your
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last four of your Social Security number? Noel redacted? Question?
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Thank you. What's the highest level of education Noel? Bachelor's degree? Question?
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And what was your bachelor's degree in? Noel criminal justice? Redacted?
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And where did you receive your degree from? Noel? John Jay? Question?
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John Jay in New York City? Noel, yes, sir, question
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and what did you graduate? Miss Noel twenty seventeen redacted?
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Thank you? What did you do just briefly, prior to
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working with the BOP redacted? Prior to working with the VOP,
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I worked in the post office redacted? Okay, what did
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you do there? Noel? I was a malhandler redacted? And
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for how long? Noel six months? Redacted? Six months? No well,
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uh huh question? And that was in twenty sixteen. When
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did you do that? Noel? Yes, redacted twenty fifteen and
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twenty sixteen, Noel, No, not at the post office? I
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was there twenty seventeen. Noel sixteen seventeen. Uh huh? Redacted?
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Oh okay, And do you have any military service? Noel? Yes?
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Question and what is that Noel military service question. Yeah,
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can you tell me what the service? Noel, the army redacted?
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The army? And how long were you in the army?
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Noel six years redacted? From when until when? Noel two
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thousand and eight to twenty fourteen redacted? And what did
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you do in the military, Noel. I was a patient
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administrative specialist redacted? And what is that Noel patient admin redacted?
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Patient as in like a hospital Noel. Yes. Question. Okay,
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So you worked in a hospital. And what was your
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rank when you left the military Noel specialist redacted? And
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did you leave were you honorably discharged? Noel, yes, redacted? Okay, Foy,
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this is the lawyer for Tovin. Noel. Can I one
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second real quick? For the post Office? You said sixteen seventeen,
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but you started MCC in twenty eighteen, So would it
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be seventeen into eighteen? Noel eighteen? Yeah, redacted? You did
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start with the BOP in eighteen, Noel. Yes. Question not
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in sixteen, Noel, No, that was an error in indiscernible. Foy, Right,
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so it's eighteen when you left the Post office in seventeen?
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Going to so I think it's sixteen. No seventeen eighteen,
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Noel eighteen Foy Post Office, then MCC redacted. Okay. And
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did you work for anybody prior or in between your
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military service and the Post Office Noel no redacted. No, okay.
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So were you ont to employ at that time? Noel, No,
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I was going to school redacted. Oh, that's when you
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went to John Jay. Noel, that's when I was going
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to John Jay. Yeah, redacted. Okay, thank you. And then
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when was your enter on duty date with BOP? Miss
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Noel June twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, redacted. Okay. And when
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did you graduate from BOP training down at the Federal
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Law Enforcement Training Center, Noel, I want to stay September
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of twenty eighteen. Redacted. Okay, But you did graduate from there, Noel, Yes,
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I did? Redacted. Was that a correctional officer training? Noel yes, redacted?
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All right? And when was your first office assignment with
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the BOP? Noel, say that again, redacted. When was your
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first office assignment with the BOP? So where did you start?
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Did you start working at MCC and work there the
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entire time? Noel, yes, sir, redacted? Okay? And what position
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have you had with the BP Noel correctional officer redacted, okay,
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the entire time. Noel, yes, Sir redacted, all right, And
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when you were there last you did who did you
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report to? Who is your direct supervisor or did you
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have one? Noel Lieutenant redacted redacted? And do you know
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how to spell that last name? Noel redacted. Question from redacted?
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Thank you. What is your current again, this is something
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we ask everybody. We won't be contacting your client, but
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what is your current cell number? Noel redacted? Mister redacted? Okay?
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And how long have you had that number? Noel years redacted? Years? Noel,
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uh huh redacted, so for a long time? Noel, yes, redacted?
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And to include in twenty nineteen, Noel yes, redacted. Okay.
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So any other cell phone numbers Noel no redacted? Okay,
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and your current email address Noel redacted redacted asked a question. Okay, great,
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and have you had that one for years? Also? Noel, yes, redacted, okay,
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any others Noel yes, redacted. What are the others? Noel redacted?
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Mister redacted, you've had that for years? Noel yes? Question okay,
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both in twenty nineteen, Noel yes, redacted, Okay, thank you,
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do you have any current I should have asked this,
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Are you currently employed right now? Noel no redacted by
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no other means Noel, no question? Okay? And when did
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the did you last work at the MCC Noel August tenth,
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twenty nineteen, redacted. And was that the same supervisor that
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you mentioned? Noel, yes, redacted. Okay. Briefly, what training have
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you attended or conducted during your employment with the BOP.
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You mentioned the correctional officer training at FLETC. What other
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training have they provided you? Noel on their two week
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training when you first start at BOP. I forget what
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it's called redacted if training Noel, uh huh redacted? And
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any other training Noel, no redacted. Annual refresher training, Noel,
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I have one redacted. Okay, so you've gone to annual
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And what about like a shoe training course Noel no redacted. Okay,
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but you did, and this is just you guys can
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take a look at this if you would like. This
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is the training that we have for you that we
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asked for your your list of training. I'm not asking
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you to necessarily verify that you've conducted all of it,
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but it shows the last time you did your annual
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training was on three to eight, twenty nineteen. Was when
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you actually completed that week of training, Noel, Yes, redacted?
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Does that sound correct? Noel? Correct? Question Again, this just
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goes along with it. It shows what the syllabus was, as
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well as the sign in sheet where miss Noel signed in. Again,
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we're not asking you to or for if you want
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to take a look at this, you can. It shows
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that you did the training in March of twenty nineteen,
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and anything that I'm going to provide to you can
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you just initial in date. And that's just a way
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for us to verify that that's what we showed you. Noel, okay,
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FOI each page or just the top redacted? Nope, just
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the top of the page, foy okay redacted? No, you
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do have that. So just briefly, you don't have to
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like list off the core syllabus. But what did they
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cover during the annual training, Noel. They spoke about different
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areas like dealing with inmates, They spoke about the issues
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on the job, like dealing with shortages. They spoke about
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basically like mask fitted. I remember redacted? Mask fitting Noel,
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Uh huh, redacted was that back in twenty nineteen, people
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were wearing masks as well. Noel, no like redacted it's
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for OC spray's redacted. Oh, for OC spray Noel, yeah, redacted. Okay.
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Did they include things like ethic standards or conduct Noel, yes, redacted.
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What about like counts and rounds Noel, I don't recall
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them talking about counts and rounds redacted. Okay. So did
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they go over like MCC policy and guidance Noel, yes, redacted. Okay.
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And did they ever provide you with the policies and
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guidelines or did they just speak to you about it
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Noel for in training redacted? Yes, Noel, they just spoke
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about it. Question at another time, did they provide you
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with the policies and guidelines Noel, Yeah, it's on like
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the computer. Redacted. Okay. Do you have to certify that
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you like received it and you reviewed it policies and guidelines? Noel.
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I think I signed that like you received it? Redacted? Right, Okay,
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if you don't mind. He asked her to sign the paper.
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You want it in the lower rate redacted, doesn't matter,
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top or bottom, you know, wherever there's room. I typically
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do the top, but bottom is totally fine. All right, folks,
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We're going to wrap up with the first episode here
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and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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going to pick up where we left off. All the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
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episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode again right
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back to that tovin Owell interview with the OIG investigators redacted.
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And now you mentioned that you didn't quite remember them
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going over training when conducting counts and rounds in this training?
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Did you were you did you ever receive training on
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conducting counts and rounds? Miss Noel Yes, redacted? Okay, when
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would that have been? Noel? In and I have training redacted?
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And what does I have stand for? Noel? Huh redacted?
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You want some clarity? I can tell you, mister redacted, sure, redacted?
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Just what it stands for? Institution familiarization training redacted? Okay, great,
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and that's something that the MCC provided directly, Miss Noel Yes, redacted, okay, great.
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And then you had mentioned did you ever receive policy
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on counts and rounds? Noel no redacted? I know you
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said you certified, do you remember that specific policy like
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receiving that, Noel, like specifically on counts and rounds redacted.
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I'm not asking you to, like verbatim, tell me what
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it was. I'm just saying, like where you provided and
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you reviewed reviewed it. Do you remember, Noel, not specifically
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on counts and rounds? Just like a general she gets
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cut off, right, Noel, Like she gets cut off again,
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like you know, the housing orders or unit policy and
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things like that, when you're supposed to conduct counts, when
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you're supposed to do rounds, that type of thing redacted,
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the post orders redacted post orders? Right? Okay, great, you
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mentioned you didn't remember ever going to quarterly shoe training.
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This is a sign in cheat for quarterly shoe training.
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Is this your signature on there? For June twenty sixth,
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twenty nineteen, Noel, You see how I'm last one on
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the bottom of all of them redacted? Correct, Noel, because
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I wasn't at the training when I came redacted? Did
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they provide it to you? One on one though, Noel?
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No redacted? So I'll come he gets cut off by Noel.
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Because when I came back from an injury, the lieutenant
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asked me to sign because they had program review. They
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need to show that I received the training, but I
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never did. She just asked me to sign. That's why
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I wonder why redacted? Who asked you to do that? Noel?
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Lieutenant redacted redacted? So that supervisor you mentioned was your
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first line supervisor asked you to sign without providing you
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the training Noel, yes, redacted. And she didn't like provide
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you anything to review, Noel, no redacted. She didn't go
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over anything with you, Noel, no redacted. Did you discuss
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this with her, that how you can sign something without
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being provided the training? Noel. Well, I just told her
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I wasn't here. I was out on an injury. She
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said she knows, but she needed me to sign because
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they needed for a program review. Redacted. What's her first name? Noel? Redacted? Question?
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And is she a lieutenant? Noel. I don't know what
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she is now, but she is not at MCC anymore.
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She's somewhere in Jersey redacted. I'm sorry before you go.
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Are you done with that question? Redacted? Actually let me
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I didn't do this and I did forget to do this.
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There's an advisory to the union representative redacted. Mm hmm question,
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can you review this? And I do apologize, but since
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you're speaking up a little bit, let me hand this
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to you and then you can review that, and then
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if you want to just take a look. After you're
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done reviewing, you may sign it if you agree. Redacted.
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Will you be able to give me a copy of it? Question? Yeah?
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I think it says on that that there will be
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forwarded a copy to you. Redacted. I didn't even see
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that part. Question Should I continue asking questions while she's
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reviewing that? Or do you want to wait? Foy? Yeah,
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you can ask questions absolutely redacted. Sure. So there's another
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training that you It says that you conducted on July
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twenty sixth, twenty nineteen, for shoe suicide prevention training. Do
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you also not receive that training? Noel? Yeah, I didn't redacted.
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You did not receive that training, Noel? No redacted? Did
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you receive so there are slides in the back that
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showed the training and how they conducted it. Did they
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provide you with those slides? Noel? No, because I wasn't there, redacted.
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You weren't there, Noel, I was out with an injury. Redacted. Okay,
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when were you out with an injury. What are the dates,
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Noel from March twenty nineteen. I came back in June.
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So when I came back in June, that's when I
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was told to sign this redacted. Okay, question, all right,
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thank you for signing the advisory to union representative redacted.
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I'm just going to sign that form as name of
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OIG special Agent. Again, I do apologize for not providing
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that upfront. Noel, I want to call because indiscernible. I'm
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just saying that, Well, I know that the dynamics or
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that I should interrupt you in the middle of a question,
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but interrupt or answering a question. So I was just
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asking were you done, because I wanted to just step
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out for a second. Redacted. You want to step out, Noel?
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Uh huh? Redacted? Okay, we don't want to interrupt the
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interview because we have a lot of questions to get through. Redacted.
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H question. If the attorney's asked that, that's not really
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but if you would like to redacted. So, based on
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the agreement we just signed, right redacted, Sure, the union
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rep it acknowledges the right to have me representing her,
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and part of those rights are the ability to assist
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in representing her right and so I don't want to dispute,
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and I don't want to hold up the processes at all.
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I just want to say something to her. Redacted. Sure,
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let that redacted do that this time. But if this
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continues to happen, I'm going to have to give you
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a different form that says you can stay here voluntarily
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if you want, but we're going to ask you not
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to interrupt the interview, and if you do, we're going
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to ask her if she wants to continue with the
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interview without you misredacted. So, but that form says something
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contrary to what you're saying, redacted, I'm going to give
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you a different form that says that I'm going to
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let you interrupt the interview now to talk to her
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out there, and if you do it again, I'm going
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to ask you not to be here any longer so
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that we can continue with the interview. Obviously, her attorneys
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would stay here. So I just want to make sure
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that we don't just continue misredacted. I just need clarity, then,
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I need clarity redacted. Sure, misredacted. So the representing of
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and talking to the employee who I have the right
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to represent is considered by you an interruption of the interview.
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Mister adacted. We haven't even gotten to the questions yet, misredacted. Well,
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she gets cut off by the OIG investigator. Yes, we
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need to continue with the interview, but we're now. I
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can allow you to do that now. I'm just not
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going to be able to allow you to continue to
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stop the interview and leave the room misredacted. I'm just
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asking for clarity, right, So it was kind of he
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cuts her off, sure, absolutely, misredacted, And I don't mean
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to be difficult. It kind of was yes or no.
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So you're saying to me, based on the document that
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I signed, mister adacted, I'm saying that you can assist
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her redacted. I didn't get to mister sure, go ahead, misredacted. Okay,
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so you're saying, based on the document that I signed,
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it's I right to represent the employee, which is asking
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to caucus and say something to miss Noel is interrupting
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the interview even though I have the right to do
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so based on the document I signed, mister adacted, it's
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more for her to be able to ask you for
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a question redacted. So it's just a yes or no.
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The interviewer. Oh oh, no, no, I'm the one that's
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leading the interview here. So if she stops and ask
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you for clarity, absolutely you stopping to inform her. No, redacted,
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I never identified to you that I would be informing
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her of anything, mister adacted. Okay, but so yes, to
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answer your question, you can be here to represent her
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if she's asking you for information. I don't want you
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stopping our interview misredacted. Mm hmmm question and then asking
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to leave the room. I'm going to allow it this time.
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After that, I'll consider that an interruption of the interview
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miss redacted. Mm hmmm. Question, and then we have to
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proceed from that, and then there's different form to provide you.
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So does that make sense, misredacted? Noah doesn't question. Okay,
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So I'm asking you not to interrupt misredacted. Wait, it
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doesn't make sense, but I'm not that was he cuts
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her off. So I'm asking you not to interrupt the interview.
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She may defer to you and ask you for questions. Misredacted.
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Uh huh, I'm asking you not to interrupt my questions. Misredacted. Okay,
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it doesn't make sense to me what I'm interpreting is
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my ability to represent is only if the employee asks
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a question. That's what you're saying to me. Redacted. Correct.
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So our attorneys are here, misredacted, I got it, I
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got it, redacted, Her attorneys are here. I'm asking if
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she has a question from her union representative. Misredacted. Uh huh, redacted,
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she may have a question for you, misredacted, I got it. Question.
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I'm asking you not to interrupt, misredacted. I got it. Act.
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These questions are not for you. They're not directed at you.
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They're directed at miss Noel misredacted. I'm not answering questions.
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I'm just trying to I'm representing her. But I understand
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that there has been a determination of how I'm able
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to represent, and so redacted deal with that in a
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different venue. You can move forward, mister redacted, All right,
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let me read this real quick in the paperwork, so
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that we're not going to have any disputes. Misredacted, We
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don't have to. You don't have to continue, right because
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I don't want to interrupt. So you can go forward
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and ask questions. Redacted. Okay, So it just says that
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you may not attempt to answer the questions or dictate
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the employee's actions, to question or otherwise take charge of proceedings.
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But again, please feel free to go confer with Miss
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Noel misredacted. I appreciate it, Thank you, redacted. I'm going
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to pause the recording. It's currently ten thirty two am.
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Whereupon the above entitled went off the record and went
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back on the record. Okay, the recorder is back on.
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This is ten thirty eight am, Tuesday, June twenty second,
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twenty twenty one. This is Senior special Agent redacted. We're
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resuming the interview. Miss Noel. I just remind you that
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you are under oath and this is a voluntary interview.
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What was your question? Redacted? You need me to initial
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redacted if you don't mind, And again it's just a
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show that you know what we're looking at. Redacted. Now,
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since we took that break, is there anything else? He
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gets cut off by the union rep. No, we can
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move forward, Noel, No, thank you, redacted. Thank you again
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very much for your cooperation in this matter. Is there
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anything else you wanted? All right? Do you know where
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we left off? What was the last question that we asked?
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It was what we asked for indiscernible about the injuries.
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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here and
25:57
in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
25:59
pick up where we left off. All the information that
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goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with the deposition given by Toba
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Noel to the OIG investigators. Question. Okay, so you were
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telling us. You said March through June you were injured,
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Miss Noel. Yes, question, and you were not actually working
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during that time? Noel, no question. Do you remember around
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when in March and when did it end? Was it
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the beginning of March and the March middle Noel, I'm
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not sure. I just know it was March redacted, sometime
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in March, Noel, yes, redacted. But when you came back,
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was it around the twenty sixth when they asked you
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to sign those Noel. I came back in June. I
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don't recall the exact day redacted, Okay, Noel, but I
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remember the day that I came into work and the
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lieutenant asked me to go see Lieutenant redacted, and she
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asked me to sign and I said, but I wasn't here.
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I was out on injury. And she said she's aware,
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but they need me to sign it for the program
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review redacted. Okay, Noel, So I signed redacted. So both
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training when you signed, they didn't actually even provide you anything, Noel,
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no redacted, verbally, electronically, nothing, Noel. No question? Okay. And
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what was on the date that was signed that that happened, Noel.
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Actually she told me not to date it. I remember
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when I was signing, she said, don't date it redacted.
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But you dated it anyway. Did you have a conversation
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about that, Noel, no redacted after you dated it. She
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didn't say why did you date it or anything like that,
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Noel know redacted question, Okay, did you receive that training
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through in the annual training courses as well, like the
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suicide prevention you know how to operate in the shoe
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during mcc annual or the I think you call it
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the IF training, or during the correctional Officer training at
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FL etc. Noel, Those trainings are like general overall training.
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It's not specifically speaking about shoe Like shoe may come
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up in the conversations, but it's not specific to shoe
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or how to operate or run the shoe redacted. Okay, Noel,
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uh huh redacted. Do you know if they were doing
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this with other employees as well, having them signed training
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that weren't actually conducting. Noel, I don't know, redacted. Okay,
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but did you do this for the directions of your supervisor? Noel?
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Supervisor yes, redacted, So she did she specifically you must
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sign this, Noel, yes, redacted. Okay again, and that was
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redacted Noel, redacted. Question, and you said, and I apologize,
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I don't know if we interrupted. When Where did you
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say she is currently? Noel, she is in Jersey. I know.
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I'm trying to redacted at the FCI four Dix Noel, yes, redacted. Okay,
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mister Foy, question real quick, redacted. Absolutely. Do you want
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a more precise answer to when she was out and
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when she came back, Foy, because I happened to know
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the approximate dates redacted. Sure you can provide that, Foy.
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And this is based on my review of discovery and
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conversations with miss Noel. We're looking at about March fifteenth
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to June twenty fourth, ish redacted, Okay, Foy. And I
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note that the execution was on the twenty sixth, but
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I think there was some time, you know, It's not
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like the first minute she was there they had her
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assign the document redacted? Okay, Noel, right, Foy. So those
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are the estimated times. I could be off by a
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day or two. But the fifteenth of March to June
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twenty fe fourth redacted. During your time at the MCC,
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how often were you assigned to the Special Housing unit
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also known as the shoe Noel redacted? And this is
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an approximate. I'm not asking you for like the exact amount, Noel.
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When I came back from injury, my assignment was a shoe.
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So from June twenty whatever to August tenth, I worked
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the shoe redacted Okay, And that was your quarterly assignment.
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Was in the shoe for the whole summer in twenty nineteen, Noel, yes, redacted? Okay,
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thank you. So I know that you said you didn't
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they didn't provide you with shoe training. Did they provide
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you with the policies of the shoe, Noel no redacted?
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So you never received those policies? Would it have been
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when you received and you said you had initial and
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date something electronically, I think you said when you were
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provided he gets cut off by Noel. That's the employee
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code of conduct redacted. Okay, Noel, like the handbook that's
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online redacted? Should have they provided you with the policies
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and post orders in the shoe, Noel? In the shoe
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there is post orders redacted? Oh okay, So in the
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shoe there's the post orders Noel, yes, redacted. And you
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were provided with a copy of that to review Noel, yes, redacted.
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And had you reviewed that Noel, yes, redacted? Okay. And
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when did you review that? Noel? When I came back redacted?
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So sometime in June Noel in June. Question okay, So,
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aside from those post orders, did you receive any other
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shoe training Noel, no, redacted. No. And who was responsible
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for making sure that you actually did receive shoe training? Noel,
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I don't know, redacted. You don't know. Was that a
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lieutenant issue or your first line supervisor? Noel. I would
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assume the lieutenant my supervisor, I don't know, redacted. And
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when you say the lieutenant, who was the lieutenant in
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the shoe at the time. Noel, Lieutenant redacted, mister redacted.
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Question do you know his first name? Noel redacted? Question? Okay,
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and would he be responsible for making sure that you
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were training when you were in the shoe Noel, I
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mean I'm going to direct that question to her. I
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don't know question. I don't want you to direct a
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question to her. Noel, okay, redacted. But if you need to, like, yeah,
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that's fine. Redacted. Yeah, Noel, yeah, redacted. And if you
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don't know, that's totally acceptable. Noel. Yeah, because I don't
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know redacted. Okay, No, no, that's a totally acceptable answer. Noel.
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Uh huh, redacted. So yeah, if you know, if you
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don't know something or you know something, that's great. You
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don't really want to ask other people for the answers,
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Noel right, redacted. Well, obviously, if you need to confer
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and you know, with your attorneys or your union rep,
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absolutely fine, But we just want to try to get
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away from them answering for you. Noel, okay, redacted. All right,
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and then from your recollection though you don't remember receiving
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shoe training during the annual refresher training Noel, no redacted. No, Okay,
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did you receive training on how to conduct rounds? Noel? Yes, redacted?
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And when was that Noel? In if redacted in if Noel, yep?
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Question okay? And what did it teach you about conducting rounds? Noel?
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That you need two people to count and conduct rounds,
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and one person goes and counts, the other person goes
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and counts, and then you confirm the numbers of counting.
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Question Okay, Noel, and make sure when you're counting that
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you're counting everybody standing at their bed when you're counting. Redacted. Okay,
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And did you see suicide prevention training during the mcc
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annual refresher training Noel, I don't recall redacted. Question You
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don't recall, Noel. Uh huh. Question Okay, what was your
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understanding if an inmate was placed, you know, is suicidal
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or placed on suicide watch? What was your understanding of
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how you should treat those inmates? Noel? If an inmate
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is placed on suicide watch, I don't deal with them.
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They go downstairs to suicide watch and they're being watched
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by other inmates. Question Uh huh, Noel. But and then
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when they're cleared, they come back to the unit question,
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and you're trained, are you supposed to handle them differently
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when they come back to the unit? Noel? Uh huh
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no redacted. You're not, Noel, You're not question. You're not
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supposed to handle them differently, Noel, No question, not at all, Noel,
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because they're cleared to come back. Question Okay, Noel, So
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once you're cleared, you're back to normal. Redacted. Okay. And
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were you assigned to the shoe on August ninth and
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tenth all of twenty nineteen? Noel, yes, redacted. Do you
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recall what time you began working on the shoe on
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August ninth, Noel four to midnight redacted for to midnight,
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and then on August tenth, it was Noel midnight to
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eight in the morning. Question. Okay, you said again that
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was your quarterly bitted post. Noel, yes, redacted. Quarterly assignment.
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And what were your overall duties and responsibilities when you
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were assigned to the shoe? Noel. It varies. Because I'm
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new and because I don't know how to run the shoe.
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I just always rely on the senior person that I'm
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working with. So even if the roster reflects that I'm
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the senior officer. Because sometimes I'm assigned to the shoe,
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I don't do what shoe is supposed to do because
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I don't know how to do it. I rely on
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the senior officer that I'm working with. Question. Okay, so
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you didn't really know what your duties and responsibilities were.
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Is that what you're saying? Noel, in the shoe like
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to give out food, to collect the trays, to give
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out linen, collect linen. Whenever we would go down range
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to give out those, we count that as around to
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make sure the inmates are good. You shower every other day.
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Count that's it. Redacted. So rounds and counts are part
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of that though, Noel, rounds and counts are part of it.
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But I never worked in the shoe and actually done rounds.
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Every thirty minutes we go downrange to do stuff, and
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we count it as around. Redacted. Perfect. That's going to
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be something that we're going to discuss, Noel, uh huh,
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redacted and ask you things like who told you that?
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And howses that you know? Who should have provided you
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with the proper training and information on how it was
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technically supposed to be done. Noel, uh huh, redacted. Question
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and were there any required special requirements for inmates who
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were assigned to the shoe Noel, I don't know. Question
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that's fine. Do inmates in the Shoe have cell mates? Noel? Yes?
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Question okay? And are they required to have a cell mate? Noel,
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I'm not sure. Question you're not sure? Noel? Uh huh
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redacted question. And do you know why they wouldn't have
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a cell mate? Noel, I don't know. Question did you
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ever were you ever told it's because another inmate could
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harm that inmate, or there were certain classifications of inmates.
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They never just discuss that with you, Noel? No question? Okay.
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No did you ever see training on medical emergencies with inmates? Noel? No,
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I just know, like if you were making around and
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something happens to an inmate, you call and you wait
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for somebody to come before you enter the cell. That's
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all I know. Question Okay, But did you were you
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provided like CPR training or any kind of like you know,
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if something were to happen in front of you, how
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would you respond? Noel, Yes, we also need bear training redacted? Okay.
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And when would you conduct training like that CPR training
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or you know, if someone is trying to kill themselves
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or something like that. When did you receive the training?
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How would you respond to a medical emergency? Noel? That
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was in if? Question if as well? Noel? Uh huh?
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Question Okay, So, who is or was inmate Jeffrey Epstein? Noel?
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Who was he? Who was he? Was he an inmate
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assigned to the MCC Noel? Yes? Question? Was he assigned
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to the shoe Noel? Yes? Question? Okay? Do you know
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what he was at the MCC four and why he
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was incarcerated by the BOP? Noel. Actually, I didn't even
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know who he was when I work with him. It
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was the other coworker that told me who he was.
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I didn't know who he was. Question and who well?
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As in I knew his name, but I didn't know
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like what he was there for and who he actually was. Question. So,
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and when you say the other coworker told you? Who
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told you? Noel? Redacted? Question redacted? Noel? Uh huh? Question?
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And what is redacted's first name? Noel? Redacted? Question? And
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what did he inform you? Noel? He basically said that
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this is Jeffrey Epstein. You don't know who he is?
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And I said no, And he was like he's in
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the news every day, and I was like, Okay, I
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didn't know. Question, do you remember when you had that conversation,
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like at least if you think about August ninth, August tenth, Noel,
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No question, was it obviously it was then prior to
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August ninth, Noel. Yes. Question Okay, But you were working
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in the shoe together, Noel. Yes. Question Okay. Was Epstein
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in the shoe when you had that conversation Noel never redacted? No.
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Was he with his attorneys? Noel? Uh huh. Question Okay,
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do you remember anything else about that conversation when he
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told you about him? Noel, No, that was it. Question.
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Did he tell you why he was in Noel? No question. No,
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just that he was in famous and in the shoe Noel. Yeah.
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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
40:22
then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
40:24
pick up where we left off. All the information that
40:27
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.