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Jags Drive Time: Friday, August 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football into the open field. Jaffuars,
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Speaker 1: Did you jack Jaguars? Did you go? Jaguars Drive Time?
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Speaker 1: Ryan Sex steps to John Oh. Actually, Jaguars Drive Time
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Speaker 1: starts right now. Welcome into Jags Drive Time of Friday morning,
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Speaker 1: a week one of full drive time, almost complete practice. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it is. Practice is underway currently inside the stadium.
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Speaker 1: We heard from Doug Morone earlier this morning, Todd Wash
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Speaker 1: after practice. You can tune into that on Jaguars dot
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Speaker 1: com and Jaguars social media. But before that, we have
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Speaker 1: drive Time. Talk about here. We are here, we are
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Speaker 1: happy Friday. It's been a long week full of camp repetition.
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Speaker 1: John John laughed at this the other day, but this
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Speaker 1: is the hardest week of training camp, and and not
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Speaker 1: for us, for the players because you're not getting to
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Speaker 1: the end of the week and the payoff isn't a
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Speaker 1: game uh Monday. There will be the practice sessions against
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Speaker 1: the Ravens Monday and Tuesday, and then the game on
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Speaker 1: Thursday of next week. But this is that week where
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Speaker 1: you have to be mentally tough if you're a player
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Speaker 1: and a coach, because you have a lot of work
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Speaker 1: to get done, and you have to do it until
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Speaker 1: you get it right. I mentioned the other day that
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Speaker 1: John D. Philippo has been intermittent with the five am
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Speaker 1: workout that we do together. Uh No, I don't either.
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Speaker 1: He was there this morning though, good for you, John,
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Speaker 1: uh and he probably feels better right now doing it.
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Speaker 1: But it's that, Hey, I gotta work out in the morning.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home and get some more sleep, or
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Speaker 1: it's the I gotta get this done, you know, and
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Speaker 1: I gotta do it again until I get it the
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Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be, even if that means I
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Speaker 1: don't get any sleep. That's the difference between the good
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Speaker 1: and the great. People who are watching may have read
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Speaker 1: the book Good to Great. That's what those guys are doing. Players, coaches,
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Speaker 1: they're working towards being great, even when good would be
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Speaker 1: good enough, and certainly would feel better at some point.
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Speaker 1: And you think about the grind of this week. And
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Speaker 1: it's not just the players and the coaches. I mean
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Speaker 1: the athletic training staff, the equipment staff. So many people
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Speaker 1: go into this production of having practice every single day,
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Speaker 1: especially early mornings. I know one of the athletic trainers Cassie,
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Speaker 1: who I was talking to. She said, they got here
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Speaker 1: at four am every day this week. And the funny
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Speaker 1: thing is is that you get used to it, and
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Speaker 1: that that regular routine of here's what I do at four,
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Speaker 1: at five, at five, forty five, at you know, nine
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Speaker 1: oh nine, when we're on this show, whatever it may be,
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Speaker 1: the routine is comforting. But for these people who have
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Speaker 1: been away for five or six weeks, you know, they
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Speaker 1: get their vacation all in a concentrated block in June
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Speaker 1: and July, and then you jump right back into it.
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Speaker 1: It could be a shock to your system. But by
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Speaker 1: the time you get to September and October, that's it's
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Speaker 1: what we do. Bum that's late. Let's leave. You've never
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Speaker 1: done morning radio, have you? Wrium is it's something. This
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Speaker 1: is morning radio to me, not clock is the younger generation.
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Speaker 1: Joe Fortunato across the studio, shaking his head. He's done
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Speaker 1: morning radio. All right, Let's get in two big things.
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Speaker 1: Big thing one is Rookies Ride. We've been really impressed
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Speaker 1: with the rookie class so far in training camp. From
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen to rich Weell. Arms said to Jolan Taylor,
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Speaker 1: they're definitely holding their own and impressing us during training camp.
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Speaker 1: Big thing too is tight ends. Will get to this later,
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Speaker 1: but an impact of the tight end room with Josh Oliver,
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Speaker 1: the draft pick, suffered what Dug Moron is calling a
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Speaker 1: hamstring injury. Unsure when he will be back, but he's
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Speaker 1: someone that's impressed us during camp, along with Jeff Swaine.
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Speaker 1: But Dug Morone did say that he feels really good
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Speaker 1: about the tight end room right now. And big thing
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Speaker 1: three is the injury report. It's quite the report after
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Speaker 1: yesterday Quincy Williams, linebacker out four to six weeks, has
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Speaker 1: to get surgery on his knee. And then Doug bron
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Speaker 1: Didn mention this morning that Josh Oliver has suffered a
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Speaker 1: significant hamstring injury. He calls it not sure when he
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Speaker 1: will be back, but it does definitely does not sound good. Brian,
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Speaker 1: I don't know much about Josh all of her. I
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Speaker 1: do know a little something about the meniscus after after
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Speaker 1: Miles Jack showed up a few years ago, and uh,
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Speaker 1: back to the aforementioned workout. There's a doctor from Mayo
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Speaker 1: that I talked to about the meniscus and he said,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not a big deal. If you handle
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Speaker 1: it right away. It's if you let it go that
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it becomes something that you have
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Speaker 1: to mess with, which is why they jump right into
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Speaker 1: this thing now. And they are, they're dealing with it.
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Speaker 1: They'll fix it. And I said this, four to six
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Speaker 1: weeks sound right? And he said four weeks sounds just
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Speaker 1: about right. And Doug said yesterday that he believed that
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Speaker 1: he would be ready to go when the regular season
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Speaker 1: opens here on what is it, the eight of September
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Speaker 1: against Kansas City, So you know that's or five weeks away,
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Speaker 1: should be ready to go. Um, we'll go right there,
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Speaker 1: because Quincy Williams is a guy that I have marveled at.
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Speaker 1: We were here sitting in these seats watching the TV
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Speaker 1: up on the wall when Quincy Williams was drafted and
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah moved the sticks podcast Draft Expert and he's
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Speaker 1: very good. He says, I don't anything about this kid right. Well,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't sound good. Uh, But the more that we
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Speaker 1: dug in on him, the more we were impressed with
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Speaker 1: his credentials. Brother the third overall pick, Junior Olympic swimming champion,
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Speaker 1: smart kid of all the rookies he has been the
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Speaker 1: one that has been most impressive, consistently impressive. Um, maybe
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Speaker 1: that's because our expectations were lowered for him, but he
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Speaker 1: plugged in with the ones during O T A S
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Speaker 1: and has been there ever since. He made a play
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Speaker 1: the other day and John and I both went, well,
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Speaker 1: did you see that where he read the guard, knifed
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Speaker 1: into the backfield and blew the play up. It was
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Speaker 1: a running play from the back side. He blew it
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Speaker 1: up before it ever got to the line of scrimmage. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's rare a second or third year player if they
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Speaker 1: do that, You're like, wow, this that guy is coming.
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Speaker 1: A guy from Murray State. Hold on his sack? Is
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Speaker 1: he's supposed to be able to do that. So the
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Speaker 1: news of the meniscus is a bummer because you would
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Speaker 1: assume that had he been able to stay healthy, he
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Speaker 1: would have kept getting better. If that's his starting point
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Speaker 1: with this defense in that front and front of him
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Speaker 1: working with Miles, he'll only get better. Well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's not like he's not going to eventually get better,
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Speaker 1: but this this slows his progress and the time to
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Speaker 1: get better. Right, You'll you'll hear him talk about mental
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Speaker 1: reps and and the coach is talking about him being
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Speaker 1: engaged in the classroom, But it isn't the same as
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Speaker 1: the muscle memory that comes with here's what we do,
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Speaker 1: and here's where I go, and here's how I take
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Speaker 1: on a block. You know, you're get in the Kansas
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Speaker 1: City team that will come in here on opening day
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Speaker 1: with a sophisticated scheme um with Andy Reid, who will
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Speaker 1: attack a rookie linebacker. And now you're asking him get
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Speaker 1: back up to speed. It might be too much to
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Speaker 1: ask of him. However, it wasn't too much to ask
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Speaker 1: that he becomes it looks like a starter in training camp. No,
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Speaker 1: we were super confident in that. And it is a
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Speaker 1: bummer because I was talking to Tony Baselli actually, and
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Speaker 1: he was saying when he came into training camp and
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Speaker 1: he missed some a training camp, these reps are so
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Speaker 1: important right now to be ready for that opening week.
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Speaker 1: So it is a bummer. But he did say, if
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Speaker 1: you're going to get hurt, this is the time. It
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Speaker 1: is the time. And you know the thing that compounds
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Speaker 1: it is third round pick are gold. Right, if you
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Speaker 1: follow the draft at all, you know the third round
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Speaker 1: picks are the sweet spot. That's where you find guys
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Speaker 1: who are either starters or will develop into starters, and
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Speaker 1: they work at a fixed price. What's a better example
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Speaker 1: that than Unique Gonquoin who in his fourth year with
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Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half sacks, he's playing for two
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Speaker 1: million bucks. Right, that's the sweet spot in the draft.
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Speaker 1: We have two third round picks, both of whom have
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Speaker 1: impressed so far. Quincy Williams that we just talked about
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Speaker 1: Josh Oliver, who again coming from San Jose State. Who
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Speaker 1: is this guy? What do we know about him? And
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Speaker 1: we know what we've seen, and that is a big body,
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Speaker 1: long arms, big hands, an accomplished receiver, a guy who
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Speaker 1: understands the passing game, who's comfortable in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the field or you know the picture frame playing at
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Speaker 1: the back of the end zone. Well, now you hear
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Speaker 1: hamstring injury. Well, I mean we know enough about Lendon
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Speaker 1: for net from last year to understand. Could it be
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Speaker 1: a two week thing, Yeah, it could be a two
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Speaker 1: week thing. Could have turned into a ten week thing.
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Speaker 1: Could have turned into an all season long kind of thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we don't know. All depending on how it's handled. And
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Speaker 1: the question is gonna be asked you know how far
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Speaker 1: is Josh? How far is Josh? Well, it's a good thing.
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Speaker 1: We've been talking about Jeff Swain and the veteran who
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Speaker 1: came in from Dallas and how well he's been playing recently,
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Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk a lot about him now. It
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Speaker 1: was a position I don't say they gambled by going
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Speaker 1: to the third round right, because Josh Allen was too
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Speaker 1: good to pass up. And they passed up on t
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Speaker 1: Jay Hockinson to take Josh Allen, which meant that in
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Speaker 1: the third round they were taking Josh Oliver. Now, now
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're thinking, do I Do I
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Speaker 1: have enough depth there? Do I have what I need there?
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Speaker 1: You better? We talked about what is it gonna take
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Speaker 1: for Ben Koyak to make the team the other day.
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Speaker 1: This may be it spend Quick or James Shawness because
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Speaker 1: we know how much of Nick Foles loves thrown at
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Speaker 1: the tight ends. And you go back to the draft
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Speaker 1: and we were saying, how they have to pick a
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Speaker 1: tight I'm probably the first or second round. When they didn't,
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Speaker 1: you think, oh, oh right, well, and this may be
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Speaker 1: something where they're looking. Now they keep for right and
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Speaker 1: he starts the season, either on pop or designated a return,
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Speaker 1: depending on what his issue is with the hamstring. The
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Speaker 1: fact that they can't tell you anything tells you that
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Speaker 1: they're being cautious with the you know, with the four
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Speaker 1: net In the recent rear view mirror it doesn't sound
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Speaker 1: real good, and we know how cautious Don Ron is being,
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Speaker 1: especially now when we know what the hamshrinking. It' funny.
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Speaker 1: You know the other day we had what was yesterday
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Speaker 1: that we talked about, you know what's wrong? That knock
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Speaker 1: on what? Yeah, here we go and everything was great,
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Speaker 1: but that that's training. Yeah, you know, you knew it
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Speaker 1: was going to come the weekend. Guys have been through
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Speaker 1: the grind and it's it's it's probably worth reminding people that, yes,
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Speaker 1: they practiced for two hours, but then they come in
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Speaker 1: and they have meetings and they lift, they have media time,
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Speaker 1: and they eat, and then they have a walkthrough and
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Speaker 1: then they have more meeting. I mean, the day is long.
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Speaker 1: It's not as long as it was two years ago
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Speaker 1: because they've built more rest time in, but it wears
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Speaker 1: you down mentally and physically, and so over the course
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Speaker 1: of a week or two, you're going to have guys
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Speaker 1: that just they're going to need a break. Well, these
9:57
Speaker 1: guys are getting it now. Apparently John needs a break.
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Speaker 1: We're not sure where he is, but he's coming. We
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Speaker 1: think he's out in the practice field. But is he
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Speaker 1: paying attention or is he talking? That's the real question,
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Speaker 1: Friday morning and time for he will, he won't? He might?
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Speaker 1: Now this is normally gonna be a Friday segment during
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Speaker 1: the season, so we decided we're going to do a
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Speaker 1: little training camp petition. If he will, he won't, he might,
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Speaker 1: let's do it. I think I hear John O's are
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Speaker 1: coming in, but I couldn't be mistaken. He will come
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Speaker 1: in with his straw hat. He will have. Here comes
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Speaker 1: that man and he might be good. Okay, so you're
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Speaker 1: gonna go first, you will first. I'm distracted by John
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Speaker 1: straw Hat. He will, he will, he might For me
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Speaker 1: is rye quill Armstead. He will be a great number
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Speaker 1: two options behind Leonard for He's a similar running style
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Speaker 1: to Leonard for Net. They took him in the draft
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Speaker 1: because of that violent aggressive A few days ago during
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Speaker 1: training camp, he ran right into Quincy Williams, popped him
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Speaker 1: and took his helmet off. Definitely electrified the crowd and
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Speaker 1: we saw firsthand the type of running style he has.
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Speaker 1: He won't the guy that you want to hang out
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Speaker 1: with and go to lunch with. After talking to him
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Speaker 1: a few times in the locker room and doing some interviews,
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Speaker 1: he definitely has somewhat of a harsh personality and that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what you want with running back like this, and
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Speaker 1: he might be the guy that is able to carry
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Speaker 1: the load just in case Leonard for Nett does get hurt.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a great number two options. He's definitely
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Speaker 1: impressed us during camp. Have to do it. We said
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Speaker 1: it for the last year. You cannot have a Leonard
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Speaker 1: for Net is your future back and not have something
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Speaker 1: similar to him in that feel? Who is he similar too?
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Speaker 1: Is what I want to know because that style doesn't
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Speaker 1: merit Lendon. Fournet will not start sixteen games ever in
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Speaker 1: his career. He won't. When you run like Rol Campbell,
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Speaker 1: you won't. And we go back to last year time
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Speaker 1: and time again, especially during the office, and said, why
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Speaker 1: didn't they go and get a running back with the
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Speaker 1: style of Leonard for Nett? Finally didn't, Right, I'll go next.
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Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? Her? I just can't look
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Speaker 1: at you. Okay. It's not just sund Glad get rid
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Speaker 1: of that one shot, Max, It's Juan Taylor. Juan will
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Speaker 1: be the starting right tackle on opening day. About that,
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Speaker 1: there can be no doubt. Uh. He won't play like
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Speaker 1: a rookie. He might be the best offensive lineman they have.
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Speaker 1: When you look at this guy, when you watch him play,
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Speaker 1: he is so clearly April. He is smart, he is tough,
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Speaker 1: He has great leverage. He understands what they want him
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Speaker 1: to do. Um. I think Linda has been a very
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Speaker 1: good center. I think Andrew Norwell has made himself into
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Speaker 1: a very good guard. Cam Robinson has all kinds of potential.
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Speaker 1: But when I watched Juan Taylor, even though he's running
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Speaker 1: with the twos right now, I think I'm watching the
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Speaker 1: best offensive lineman they have all right, prime Time, take
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Speaker 1: it away and prime Time, And I believe I went
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Speaker 1: with Gardner Minshew here. Well, Uh, I said Tom to
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Speaker 1: say about DJ Chark real fast too, because he just
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Speaker 1: had to catch out outside. That is everything that we've
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Speaker 1: all been talking about what he might be able to do.
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Speaker 1: He's down the left sidelines, false those in the ball,
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Speaker 1: he goes up, he high points it over the defender,
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Speaker 1: thirty three yard pass um. If DJ Chark is that
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Speaker 1: which we've all seen signs of him throughout training camp. Uh,
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Speaker 1: that's what they drafted him for, that deep ball athleticism. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And it was in sort of a live situation. So
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Speaker 1: I thought that was a good sign. Uh. If I
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Speaker 1: had the time, I would probably change the d J chart.
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Speaker 1: But Terrell prior will he's gonna get an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: make this team. Um. When he was first signed, I
15:49
Speaker 1: think there was a thought of, well, what is he really?
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Speaker 1: Are you taking a chance on a guy he Uh,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna have a chance he won't be there on
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Speaker 1: to the three. He's not gonna be the main guy.
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Speaker 1: But as you look at him, and especially as you
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Speaker 1: see when he's on the field with the twos with
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Speaker 1: Minshew and there's some rhythm there, he might be a
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Speaker 1: guy who can fill a role for him. He might
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Speaker 1: be a guy who can step in and be that
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Speaker 1: red zone target, that third down target, and be reliable
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Speaker 1: enough that you trusted if other guys are injured that
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Speaker 1: he can step up into the role. The question, Brian,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're thinking, is what can you play special teams?
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Speaker 1: How's he gonna fit? But um a Keenan the the
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Speaker 1: wide receivers coach Keno McCardell has talked enough about liking
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Speaker 1: a variety of options in the room without prior, they
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Speaker 1: don't really have that guy. So you wonder if somewhere
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Speaker 1: they're going to figure out a way to keep that.
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Speaker 1: I think he can't plug special teams. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how well, but I think he's a guy that you
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Speaker 1: can put out there. He's got that link. He's not
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Speaker 1: gonna be d J Shark, who is you know? And
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Speaker 1: people they don't watch special teams close enough to understand
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Speaker 1: that that gunner is such a critical position, and when
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Speaker 1: you watched him last year as a rookie, he made
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Speaker 1: plays the one he made in Houston at the end
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Speaker 1: of the year. If you don't have that and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden special team has seven or eight
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Speaker 1: yards that are given. He got down there and in
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Speaker 1: the face of the of the punt return, he was
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Speaker 1: the first one there every and he pulled back. In Houston,
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Speaker 1: if you were calling forced to fumble, Jack was only
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Speaker 1: got a field goal out of it because the offense
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Speaker 1: was so inepp last year at that point of the season.
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Speaker 1: But he put them in a situation where they could
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Speaker 1: have grabbed an early lead. And you know games change
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Speaker 1: on place like that. So Prior is a guy who's
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Speaker 1: got the length. Again, he's not a burner, but he's
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Speaker 1: got enough ability to get off the scrimmage and do
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Speaker 1: some stuff. So we'll see touchdown from min yesterday. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna have to play special teams absolutely all right. When
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Speaker 1: we come back now that John has joined us, we're
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of practice time to miss. Also, did
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Speaker 1: But Brian, I don't think it will be very long.
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Speaker 1: If this is it and he's back by around that
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Speaker 1: My only point with that is getting maybe that first week,
21:32
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Speaker 1: let's go to Harris from Duval. What's going on? Oh bro,
21:57
Speaker 1: what is your opinion on how Taven Brian has been
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Speaker 1: performing this off season? Is he making the necessary strides
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Speaker 1: or showing more consistency to make us believe he will
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Speaker 1: not end up as a bust. I understand that we
22:07
Speaker 1: have good depth in front of him, but still, well,
22:10
Speaker 1: it's an important question that I don't have the answer
22:12
Speaker 1: to yet. Um it's only two or three days of
22:15
Speaker 1: added practice. It's it's tough to me to see a
22:19
Speaker 1: defensive tackle to really know how he's doing, because so
22:22
Speaker 1: much is once the lights go on. Is he shedding blocks?
22:25
Speaker 1: Is he doing the things that you have to be
22:28
Speaker 1: able to do when you're playing starting level guards every
22:31
Speaker 1: week and that through the course of sixty plays in
22:37
Speaker 1: a game? What kind of impact do you make? And
22:40
Speaker 1: I've seen plays where I thought he looked okay and
22:41
Speaker 1: one on one pastorals. I've seen plays where he got
22:44
Speaker 1: thrown around and one one pastorals. Um, So I guess
22:48
Speaker 1: the answer to this one is it's way too early
22:51
Speaker 1: to tell, but he sure needs to look better than
22:54
Speaker 1: he did last See, he's a tough guy to read
22:55
Speaker 1: because he's Goofy's not the right the right word. You've
22:59
Speaker 1: known him all time, he's there's a little goofy to
23:01
Speaker 1: k Yeah, yeah, yeah, goofy quirky um. I've seen him
23:04
Speaker 1: as you mentioned where you're like, wow, okay, that's why
23:07
Speaker 1: they took him in the first round, and then you
23:09
Speaker 1: see him disappear plays and he sort of walks around
23:13
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying, Brian with a little bit of
23:16
Speaker 1: a casual, detached attitude. But you know, I tend to
23:21
Speaker 1: try not to judge a guy on that because I
23:23
Speaker 1: don't know what he's like in meeting. I don't know
23:25
Speaker 1: what I don't know what he's like in the field.
23:27
Speaker 1: Want to see a sense of urgency about it, though,
23:29
Speaker 1: because he plays a critical position with Malik gone right,
23:32
Speaker 1: because you knew what you were going to get from.
23:33
Speaker 1: Just because I'm seeing a guy walk down the hallway
23:35
Speaker 1: like he's chill doesn't mean that he's not working his
23:39
Speaker 1: butt off in the meetings. I was doing a pre
23:41
Speaker 1: judge based on the fact he's a little googy. Yeah.
23:43
Speaker 1: I guess it's hard for me to get a read
23:44
Speaker 1: on him that he's judging other than trying to figure
23:47
Speaker 1: out exactly where he's at. Uh, we'll find out next week.
23:50
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a chance, you know, working against the
23:52
Speaker 1: Ravens line to show us. When you go and do
23:55
Speaker 1: these you know, inter team workouts, when you're up there,
23:58
Speaker 1: your pridees on the line, you know. More so then
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Speaker 1: practice where you can kind of let a place slip
24:02
Speaker 1: or slide here or there. Next week it's going to
24:04
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be real. Both sets of cameras are
24:07
Speaker 1: going to be on you, not just the Jaguars. The
24:09
Speaker 1: Ravens are looking at it too, So that will give
24:11
Speaker 1: us a more true indication of where he's at. When
24:13
Speaker 1: you think of draft picks, we get it all the time,
24:15
Speaker 1: the question what about Taven Brian, he really has at
24:18
Speaker 1: times just gone completely unnoticed. I still and I realized
24:23
Speaker 1: it's it's a different world. But when John and I
24:25
Speaker 1: were growing up following this league, first round picks were
24:28
Speaker 1: not thought of as being instant contributors. People didn't judge
24:31
Speaker 1: after one year whether first Brian late in the first round.
24:35
Speaker 1: This is not a top ten pick. This was almost
24:38
Speaker 1: a second round pick. So it it's a little different.
24:41
Speaker 1: The urgency is a little different, and it's expected I
24:43
Speaker 1: remember the day when any first round pick was a hey,
24:46
Speaker 1: what can we get out of him as a year?
24:48
Speaker 1: But you didn't look at him as being an instant starter. Correct.
24:50
Speaker 1: So I look at this guy and realized, you know,
24:53
Speaker 1: he's coming from Florida. The system is different. They're asking
24:56
Speaker 1: him to play different positions. I still think there's an evolution,
24:59
Speaker 1: especially to a defensive lineman to an interior linement on
25:02
Speaker 1: either side of the ball. I don't expect him to
25:05
Speaker 1: be a store. I expect him to show store qualities
25:07
Speaker 1: of the definitely improve. All right, let's wrap it up
25:10
Speaker 1: with Matt from section one thirty three. Does the CB
25:13
Speaker 1: or player contract language language whichever we're referring to when
25:16
Speaker 1: we talk about in gock Way, I'll say to you
25:18
Speaker 1: here this is basically asking if Unique and Gockway. There's
25:24
Speaker 1: the thirty day deadline we've all been talking about, and
25:26
Speaker 1: and a few fans have asked, well, what if he reports?
25:30
Speaker 1: Because he has to report before thirty days to accrue
25:32
Speaker 1: a season four free agency, So it gets a little
25:34
Speaker 1: complex to explain this question asked, could he just show
25:38
Speaker 1: up for that thirty day deadline and then or or
25:42
Speaker 1: show for a week the wording in the c b A,
25:45
Speaker 1: which is really worthy. It's it's legally he has to
25:48
Speaker 1: show up and he has to be a member of
25:51
Speaker 1: the team playing. If he gets hurt, obviously it's a
25:53
Speaker 1: different thing, but he has to basically act like a
25:57
Speaker 1: normal player to still accrue the season for port. He
26:01
Speaker 1: can't show up in the brainstruck he signed something and
26:04
Speaker 1: then go home. That's not what it is. He has
26:06
Speaker 1: to be playing well, and the fine schedule says that
26:09
Speaker 1: he has to keep playing, because what is its a
26:11
Speaker 1: day something like that. If you don't practice, it's like
26:14
Speaker 1: send money. So he could come. He can practice one
26:18
Speaker 1: day and then not come the next, right, I don't
26:21
Speaker 1: care how much money you make. Forty dollars to take
26:24
Speaker 1: a few hours off is stupid. But even practice that
26:29
Speaker 1: all could theoretically be rescinded and all that stuff. But
26:33
Speaker 1: but they're not going to rescind it if he shows
26:34
Speaker 1: up to just to get to that thirty day window
26:36
Speaker 1: and then the next day, so I'm not coming to
26:37
Speaker 1: day I want to risk. But even beyond all that,
26:41
Speaker 1: it's in the cb A that it does gotta watch.
26:43
Speaker 1: You can't just shows, So it seems logical, but It's
26:46
Speaker 1: one of those questions were so deep into the weeds
26:49
Speaker 1: with be a unique story that people are coming up with, well,
26:52
Speaker 1: what if he did this? What if he did this?
26:55
Speaker 1: It's clear the thirty days. It's the first rule is
26:58
Speaker 1: about the thirty days. And then there's a subs action
27:00
Speaker 1: the role that says you could tell the lawyers were
27:02
Speaker 1: sitting there going, well, what if the guy did this,
27:04
Speaker 1: and they said, okay, let's put this in and make
27:05
Speaker 1: sure he can't do that too. So it's addressed. He
27:08
Speaker 1: has to be here. I don't have a real field
27:10
Speaker 1: when he's going to be here, I would think, because
27:13
Speaker 1: everything points yeah. I mean, it would be a it
27:15
Speaker 1: would be um professional misconduct for his agent not to
27:20
Speaker 1: turn him here. And that might not be the right term,
27:23
Speaker 1: but it would be in ethness on the part of
27:24
Speaker 1: the agent to not drive him here personally if he
27:27
Speaker 1: says I'm not going. Because no matter what, whether they
27:29
Speaker 1: agree to the deal that the Jaguars offer or whether
27:32
Speaker 1: they bet on themselves and get into free agency next
27:36
Speaker 1: year and hit the market, um, they have to get
27:39
Speaker 1: to that point. Right. If he doesn't show up, he's
27:41
Speaker 1: still restricted. Don't be restricted play for the two million
27:44
Speaker 1: if you want or take their offer, but you've got
27:46
Speaker 1: to be here. And the restricted part is no one
27:50
Speaker 1: is going to pay you and pay the Jaguars and
27:52
Speaker 1: pay the Wars. So basically he would be in a
27:55
Speaker 1: situation where he might be playing for about four million.
28:00
Speaker 1: It's no way he wants that, so he'll be here.
28:02
Speaker 1: I would guess he's here. The drama question I have,
28:04
Speaker 1: and we can keep going with this when he gets serious.
28:06
Speaker 1: Can they make him happy? Can they make Unique and
28:10
Speaker 1: goc Way happy right find out? Or do they bother
28:14
Speaker 1: trying and just say, look, we know you have to
28:15
Speaker 1: play hard because we know, and that's the hard ball approach.
28:20
Speaker 1: I would think with somebody who's given as much to
28:22
Speaker 1: the team they would try to make him happy. But
28:25
Speaker 1: I think in their views they've already tried, right, And
28:27
Speaker 1: remember that he doesn't necessarily hit free agency next year
28:30
Speaker 1: because they can put the franchise. So there's a lot
28:33
Speaker 1: of dynamics to this game right now. But he absolutely
28:36
Speaker 1: must be here. If he's not, WHOA the agent should
28:39
Speaker 1: be fired. One thing we do know is that Chip
28:42
Speaker 1: on unique shoulder is never going to leave. That's just
28:44
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28:46
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Speaker 1: Time Friday morning, wrapping up the show with some final
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Speaker 1: thoughts as the team heads to Baltimore on Sunday, Monday,
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Speaker 1: and Tuesday, they'll train with the Ravens. Wednesday day off
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Speaker 1: in Baltimore and Thursday, first preseason game. It's here. It's crazy.
30:55
Speaker 1: It's gone by so fast. Yeah, and there's a long
30:57
Speaker 1: way to go. I mean, it's just the first four
31:00
Speaker 1: preseason games and it's still a week away, so we're
31:03
Speaker 1: still six weeks away from the start of the regular season.
31:06
Speaker 1: There is a long road to hold I don't just
31:08
Speaker 1: want to touch on the unique Gagway situation one more time.
31:11
Speaker 1: We have not seen over twenty five years a lot
31:13
Speaker 1: of holdouts ran. The last significant player who held out
31:16
Speaker 1: was Maurice Jones. Drew before that, it was Tony Bracken's
31:19
Speaker 1: in the early part of the two thousands. And it's
31:21
Speaker 1: important to remember that it isn't personal. It's just business
31:24
Speaker 1: for both sides. Both sides have to get what's best
31:28
Speaker 1: for them. Unique and Gagway has to take care of himself,
31:31
Speaker 1: his family and his career, and the Jaguars have to
31:34
Speaker 1: do a deal that protects their salary structure. They have to.
31:38
Speaker 1: So I asked the question, can they make Unique and
31:40
Speaker 1: Gockway happy. I don't know. We're I think it's fascinating.
31:44
Speaker 1: We're going to find out exactly where they stand when
31:46
Speaker 1: he shows up next week. I expect him to be angry.
31:49
Speaker 1: I expect him to walk around with that chip that
31:51
Speaker 1: you mentioned. Um It's it is not as simple as
31:56
Speaker 1: just pay the man. Um It's it's a compli issue
32:00
Speaker 1: because their salary cap has some key players they have
32:04
Speaker 1: to pay and two point oh, as I've said, this week,
32:06
Speaker 1: has to be the guy. This the hub around which
32:08
Speaker 1: all the folks were trains leaving on the station, run
32:12
Speaker 1: get on it. Yeah, that was That was the the
32:15
Speaker 1: admonition to Maurice Jones Drew from New Owner's Hot con
32:19
Speaker 1: at that time. Um, it's pro football is about the
32:22
Speaker 1: money it is isn't and the business side of it
32:25
Speaker 1: has to be taken care of. And Unique is doing
32:27
Speaker 1: what he thinks is best. Um and I'm sure he
32:30
Speaker 1: knows this. He has to be here next week. That's
32:31
Speaker 1: the best thing for him because it gives him a
32:35
Speaker 1: measure of freedom the next year. It's important to mention
32:37
Speaker 1: because you hear people saying, well, how could he not
32:40
Speaker 1: be here, Why would he not be here? What's wrong
32:41
Speaker 1: with him? But it is a business professional football, and
32:43
Speaker 1: you hear Klais Campbell and Jalen Ramsey said if it
32:46
Speaker 1: was up to him, he'd be here. He wants to
32:48
Speaker 1: be here. It's the only leverage he has. UM. But
32:52
Speaker 1: the leverage goes away next week. So the way it's
32:56
Speaker 1: structured with rookie deals is that you are a contracted player.
33:02
Speaker 1: You don't have leverage until the end of your fourth year.
33:05
Speaker 1: He's only played three. The leverage is there for him
33:07
Speaker 1: after this year. He's trying to get what he can.
33:11
Speaker 1: Respect that that's the business side of it. Next week's
33:14
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