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5-year old tot boy Lucas Hernandez missing now! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you. Blow your candle. Good job, but
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Speaker 1: you're five years old tomorrow. That was Lucas's fifth birthday
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Speaker 1: party as people joined in to say happy birthday, baby Lucas. Today,
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Speaker 1: Missing Lucas and the desperate search for a five year
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Speaker 1: old boy who disappears while step mom was napping. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. A desperate search launched for a five year
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Speaker 1: old taught boy missing from his own home. We want
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Speaker 1: answers with me. Kim Martin leading the effort to find
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Speaker 1: Lucas with missing pieces now work. Karen Smith, renowned forensic expert,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Florida jurisdiction. Ashley Wilcott, juvenile
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Speaker 1: judge and founder of Child Crime watch dot com. Dr
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Speaker 1: Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist and founder of Goal Attainment
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Speaker 1: dot com, and Chuck Roberts Crime Stories investigative reporter straight
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Speaker 1: out to Kim Martin, I want to start at day
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Speaker 1: one hour one, Kim, between you and Chuck, I hope
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Speaker 1: to cobble together a clear picture of what has happened
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Speaker 1: with Lucas. You start, Kim, once your understanding with the
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Speaker 1: moment that Lucas disappears, the moment he disappeared is actually
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Speaker 1: up for debate. Quite honestly, Um. His stepmother, Emily stated
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Speaker 1: that she took a nap at three o'clock. When she
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Speaker 1: woke up, she contacted the police m at six fourteen.
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Speaker 1: Hold on Chuck Roberts wants and Chuck News reports have
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Speaker 1: been um conflicting, as Kim Martin has pointed out, what's
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Speaker 1: your understanding of the facts, Chuck Roberts's too, when he disappeared,
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Speaker 1: where he disappeared? How who? What were wife? When? Give
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Speaker 1: me the nuts and bolts. Well, it's important remember the
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Speaker 1: family had just moved in there ten days earlier. It
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Speaker 1: was a rental house in a different part of town,
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Speaker 1: so Lucas five girl wasn't familiar with anything around there.
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Speaker 1: But the mother obviously went to sleep for the exact
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Speaker 1: period of time. It's do you say mother or stepmother?
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Speaker 1: The stepmother, Emily blast year old woman, Uh and um,
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Speaker 1: she took a nap and when she got up she
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Speaker 1: later much later told police that Lucas was missing, but
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Speaker 1: she waited a time before she called police her The
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Speaker 1: boy's shoes were still there, his coat was still there.
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Speaker 1: But it's important to remember it was sixty four degrees
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Speaker 1: and Sonny, it was unusually warm that day and for
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Speaker 1: the next two or three days. So here's a little boy.
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Speaker 1: You know, his his dad is off into Mexico working.
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Speaker 1: He's an unfamiliar neighborhood. It's unusually warm outside and sunny.
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Speaker 1: His mom is sleeping in a bedroom. Uh. And you
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Speaker 1: know he may have gone outside at that point of
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Speaker 1: his own accord. That's one theory, but in any case,
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Speaker 1: she calls police and reports them missing somewhere in the
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Speaker 1: six o'clock hour of that evening. I'm trying to take
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Speaker 1: it all in. You hear the Happy Birthday song being
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Speaker 1: sung to Lucas Hernandez, and then out of nowhere, seemingly
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Speaker 1: he just disappears. The five year old Todd goes missing. Wichita,
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Speaker 1: Kansas Police say that she the step mom, had last
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Speaker 1: seen the boy around three pm in his bedroom before
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Speaker 1: she took a shower and lay down for a quick nap.
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Speaker 1: A major search launched for Lucas, described by school teachers
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Speaker 1: as quote a very sweet boy. Tell me about the search.
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Speaker 1: Kim aren't from Missing Pieces network. What was done to
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Speaker 1: try to find Lucas? At the outset? The police were there,
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Speaker 1: Wichita Police at one point they brought SWAT teams in.
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Speaker 1: You know, everybody was canvassing the neighborhood, and pretty early
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Speaker 1: on they had stated that they did not believe that
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Speaker 1: it was an abduction, that there was no sign that
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Speaker 1: anyone came into the house and removed Lucas. You know,
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Speaker 1: I hear that, I hear that Kim and I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out where they're getting that from. Chuck. Were
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Speaker 1: there any forced entries, any door jimmy ending windows, anything
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Speaker 1: like that at all, Chuck Roberts, No, there wasn't, and
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Speaker 1: there were the canvased obviously the neighborhood, and no strangers
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Speaker 1: had been seen about. Uh so there's something like that
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Speaker 1: that they can follow up on. As we know, that's
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Speaker 1: very powerful proof. But on the other hand, you have
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Speaker 1: cases like Elizabeth Smart and so many others where the
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Speaker 1: unthinkable does occur. A stranger comes in your home and
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Speaker 1: takes your baby. Listen right now to Kansas Police officer
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Speaker 1: Charlie Davidson announcing Lucas has vanished. It is with a
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Speaker 1: heavy heart, I'm here with you today, still missing. It's
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Speaker 1: five year old Lucas Fernandez. Lucas was last scene wearing
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Speaker 1: black sweats, white sox, and a gray shirt with a
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Speaker 1: bear on it. Our thoughts and prayers remain with Lucas
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Speaker 1: and Lucas's family as we are diligently investigating the situation.
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Speaker 1: On Friday, February seventeenth, that approximately six fifteen officers were
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Speaker 1: dispatched to a lost juvenile call at a residence in
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Speaker 1: the six hundred block of South Edgemore. When they arrived,
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Speaker 1: they made contact with the twenty six year old female
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Speaker 1: who is the stepmother of Lucas. She reported the officer
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Speaker 1: that she last saw Lucas in his bedroom and approximately
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Speaker 1: three pm prior to her showering and falling asleep. Officers
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Speaker 1: and canine units have dylug dyalt alately checked the home
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Speaker 1: and the neighborhood with no luck of locating Lucas at
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Speaker 1: this time. Currently, which top Police Department detectives continue to
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Speaker 1: speak with family and follow up with any leads regarding
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Speaker 1: this unfortunate situation. Additionally, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has
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Speaker 1: sent in resources as well as their Child Abduction Rapid
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Speaker 1: Deployment Team their CARD Team known as the Card Team
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Speaker 1: to assist us with this investigation. Also, the Emergency Operation
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Speaker 1: Command Center has been activated. So we are asking the
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Speaker 1: community with has any information regarding this case, so police
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Speaker 1: call tips into three one six three three four six
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Speaker 1: six one and there will be individuals at our employment
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Speaker 1: or excuse me, Emergency Operation Command Center to answer those tips.
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Speaker 1: Photographs of Lucas are polk posted on the WPD, Facebook
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Speaker 1: and Twitter pages. I know many of the community have
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Speaker 1: shown willingness to come and take part in a search party,
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Speaker 1: and we do appreciate the willingness of the citizens to
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Speaker 1: come and help us in this investigation. However, at this point,
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Speaker 1: we're asking citizens to share the information on their social
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Speaker 1: media pages and called the tip line with any information.
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Speaker 1: We do currently have investigators and officers that are continuing
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Speaker 1: to search the area for Lucas. Joining in right now
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Speaker 1: renowned forensics expert Karen Smith out of the Florida jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: who has studied the case very carefully. Karen, at that juncture,
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Speaker 1: what should police be doing? The first thing I would
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Speaker 1: do is try to find out who else had a
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Speaker 1: visual on the boy at what time. Absolutely, you want
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Speaker 1: to look at emily glasses associates, who was she hanging
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Speaker 1: out with, who does she know? You're gonna look at
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Speaker 1: cell phone records to find out who she was calling beforehand.
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Speaker 1: And going back to that you know, not fource entry
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Speaker 1: four entry question. The rear door was apparently open, so
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Speaker 1: police would definitely need to do some DNA swabs and
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Speaker 1: fingerprints on that door to rule in and rule out
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Speaker 1: people who have used it. That's just simple forensic tools
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Speaker 1: and that could establish leads, or it could establish that
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Speaker 1: there was nobody else that came through that door. Um.
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Speaker 1: And you know, as police said, they don't believe that
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Speaker 1: Lucas just walked out of the house. There was also
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Speaker 1: no amber alert. Um. That means that they did not
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Speaker 1: believe there was an abduction. So that's also a large clue.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking about what they could do. First
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Speaker 1: of all, if he Lucas, the five year old boy.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Walcott, juvenile judge with me, founder of child crime
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Speaker 1: watch dot com. Ashley, if he had been in his bedroom,
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Speaker 1: I would assume that a would dust for prints on
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Speaker 1: the door, there was left ajar, the back door, the
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Speaker 1: all over his bedroom, his bed, the bathroom door where
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Speaker 1: he may have been, all around the yard, whatever objects
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Speaker 1: were still out in the yard, whether it was a
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Speaker 1: ball or anything that would suggest he had walked outside.
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Speaker 1: I would also look, Ashley, if anyone else in the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood had surveillance video on their front door that could
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Speaker 1: have seen a car or a boy or a man
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Speaker 1: go by. I mean, in so many cases we have
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Speaker 1: surveillance video from neighbors that can show a car and
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Speaker 1: when zoomed in, you can even get a talk car
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Speaker 1: tag number around the time the child goes missing. We've
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Speaker 1: got like a three hour window, uh, from three to six.
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Speaker 1: What else could they be doing? Ashley exactly that collecting
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Speaker 1: all of the forensic evidence, they can look for footprint,
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Speaker 1: it's outside of the doors. They can look to see
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Speaker 1: are there any marks on windows or doors where they've
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Speaker 1: apparently been jimmied. And let me suggest this, for the
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Speaker 1: police to say we do not believe this child has
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Speaker 1: been abducted, I would count my money on the fact
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Speaker 1: that there's evidence that it was not an abduction. So
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Speaker 1: I suspect they've already taken all those forensic steps and
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Speaker 1: have eliminated abduction as a possible um what happened to
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Speaker 1: this child in this case? And the other thing I
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Speaker 1: would say, Nancy is you know remember investigators, as you
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Speaker 1: well know, they can't give us all the information that
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Speaker 1: they have because it's an ongoing investigation. So there's more
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Speaker 1: than the public knows about what they found. For those
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Speaker 1: of you just joining us, we're talking about a five
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Speaker 1: year old boy, Lucas Hernandez. Lucas goes missing out of
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Speaker 1: his own home in the Witchita, Kansas area, not site
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Speaker 1: nor sound, hide nor hair has been seen of the
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Speaker 1: boys since Do we know Chuck Roberts if there have
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Speaker 1: been any sightings of him? No, And obviously they've scoured
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Speaker 1: all the parks in all the places public places around
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Speaker 1: uh and there's been an appeal for landowners in the
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Speaker 1: area to walk their property and make sure there's no
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Speaker 1: sign of anybody. So it's been a very very comprehensive
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Speaker 1: search with volunteer and official teams doing it. Aquasearch has
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Speaker 1: been involved off and on for the last two or
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Speaker 1: three weeks, but really nothing has turned up that that
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Speaker 1: that produces any hope that he'll be found alive. What
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Speaker 1: do we know about the stepmother and the father? You know,
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Speaker 1: it gets more and more difficult. Dr Chloe Carmichael with me,
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Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologist, founder of goal Attainment dot com.
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Speaker 1: Dr Chloe. The more that families um are patched together.
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Speaker 1: No God bless him, had at together family myself through
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Speaker 1: my grandmother, UM, the harder it is to ascertain the facts.
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Speaker 1: Because you've got the mother where is she? You've got
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Speaker 1: the father where is he? You got the stepmother, you
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Speaker 1: got the boyfriend, you got the half siblings, the teen
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Speaker 1: brother that this that that the one in college, the
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Speaker 1: one from the first marriage. I mean, it gets I'm
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Speaker 1: happy everybody's blending so beautifully. But as far as the
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Speaker 1: crime analyst goes, You've got a lot of avenues to
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Speaker 1: chase down trying to find this boy. And frankly, that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm worried about. Who could have taken him? Why
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Speaker 1: was it the bio mom? Was it an angry aunt?
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Speaker 1: Was it this? Was it that the movers They just
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Speaker 1: moved ten days before tod to move or see him,
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Speaker 1: and one of molest him. I don't know, So help
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Speaker 1: me figure out. Where's the mother, where's the father? What
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Speaker 1: do I know about this stepmother? Dr Chloe helped me out?
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true? Dr Chloe that moving is one
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Speaker 1: of the top five most stressful things that happens in
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Speaker 1: a life. I mean, I most so many times I
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Speaker 1: can't even count. Maybe that's why I'm jatted up all
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Speaker 1: the time. But it's very stressful. And they had just moved.
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Speaker 1: They probably still had boxes full of stuff sitting around. Chloe. Yes, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Of course, moving is one of the
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Speaker 1: top five stresses in life, and it poses an emotional
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Speaker 1: stress because we're you know, uprooting ourselves. And then it
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Speaker 1: also poses a cognitive stress because there's so many balls
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Speaker 1: in the air and so many things that we're trying
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Speaker 1: to coordinate and keep track of. And of course in
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Speaker 1: those situations, you know, it's it's it's more easy, unfortunately
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Speaker 1: for um, for things like this possibly to happen if
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Speaker 1: it were you know, truly just that the parents were
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Speaker 1: absent minded. Here. On the other hand, as you were saying, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that with blended families, issues of anger, alliances and possessiveness
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Speaker 1: between the family members as they negotiate and struggle to
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Speaker 1: under stand where the loyalty lies. Sometimes that can kick
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Speaker 1: up some extremely violatile emotions. So and as well moving itself,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're going through all the old photos and
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Speaker 1: the memories and things like that. In many ways, it
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Speaker 1: can set up quite a psychological storm. Psychological storm that's
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Speaker 1: just ringing through my head. Ashley. UM, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to sound callous, Okay, My family's blended, Okay, but it's
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Speaker 1: just very hard on detectives and crime analysts to chase
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Speaker 1: down everybody connected to a missing child. When it gets
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Speaker 1: it gets so complicated, then you find out there's an
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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, the ex wife, where is she? What? Are
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Speaker 1: there kids in college? Siblings? Is there a crazy aunt?
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Speaker 1: Is there a child luster uncle? I mean it just
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Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on, and people sit
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Speaker 1: back and throw stones at the cops. I mean they're trying.
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Speaker 1: Ashley backed me up on this absolutely. And let me
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Speaker 1: tell you, as a judge, here's what I see. Investigations
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Speaker 1: leading to actual charges and trials may take a very
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Speaker 1: long time for that very reason, because the law enforcement
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Speaker 1: has to pay attention to every tiny detail. They have
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Speaker 1: to follow every lead, because you never know when one
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Speaker 1: of the little details is going to be the one
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Speaker 1: that breaks the case. And Nancy, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you remember. I'm sure you do. The case. I think
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Speaker 1: you mentioned it on your show with the glass eyeball,
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Speaker 1: and the way to identify a victim was because of that, Ulie.
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Speaker 1: Never know what lead or what little tiny piece of
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Speaker 1: evidence is going to tie it all together so they
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Speaker 1: can actually common who committed the crime. Let me tell
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Speaker 1: you something about that. It was even more attenuated. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about a case I mentioned, I think yesterday, that
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Speaker 1: happened in Atlanta when I was still prosecuting felonies in
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Speaker 1: inner City, Atlanta during that ten year spam and um
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Speaker 1: uh gorgeous young kindergarten teacher. I think she taught like
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Speaker 1: dance and movement or something like that in kindergarten. Julie
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Speaker 1: Loved that was actually her name, Julie Love. As she
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Speaker 1: had been out jogging and a car was following her.
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Speaker 1: So she did what I've done many times. You pretend
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Speaker 1: you're going up a driveway to your house, which is
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Speaker 1: of course not your house. Well, somehow this gang in
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Speaker 1: the car figured out, hey, that's not her house. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how they knew it, and they waited, they hid,
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Speaker 1: and they waited until she came back down the driveway
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Speaker 1: and started jogging again. Then abducted her. They beat her mercilessly,
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Speaker 1: assaulted her horribly, and then murdered her. All that was
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Speaker 1: left of her body near a dumpster was a glass eyeball.
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Speaker 1: I think ultimately they found some bones that had been
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Speaker 1: scattered by animals. But catch this Ashley at the outset,
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Speaker 1: I went to the elected d a who was like
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Speaker 1: a grandfather and me and said, you know, you got
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Speaker 1: to go after the boyfriend. And he'm like now and
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Speaker 1: I had never seen him. I mean, you could just
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Speaker 1: defy common sense. He said, it's just not enough. He
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Speaker 1: wouldn't even explain it to me. Okay, So I was
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Speaker 1: way down low on the totem pole, barking at his
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Speaker 1: heels about and the rest. So he didn't and it
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Speaker 1: always perplexed me why he didn't go after the boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Well he was right because about I guess it was
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Speaker 1: a year. Two years later, a woman calls and said
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Speaker 1: she had been beaten up and she was afraid for
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Speaker 1: her life from her boyfriend and ps a couple of
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Speaker 1: years ago, he murdered that kindergarten teacher. That's how the
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Speaker 1: case broke. So they speak to this beating victim. As
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Speaker 1: I recall it, I hope I have the facts correct.
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Speaker 1: They speak to her and she starts talking, and they
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Speaker 1: piece it together who this person, this alleged victim was.
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Speaker 1: It's all they had to go on. They go to
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Speaker 1: the area where she said the body was disposed, and
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Speaker 1: sure enough they find the glass eyeball. That that's how
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Speaker 1: I recall it worked. Now, that's been a long time ago,
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Speaker 1: and that's how I recall the facts. But that's how
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Speaker 1: attenuated it is. Sometimes when the case is solved and
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Speaker 1: then the whole thing, of course, cracked wide open. And
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Speaker 1: the district attorney was right and I was wrong. So
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Speaker 1: you're right. You never know when you're chasing down all
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Speaker 1: these alleys and you come up with nothing where to
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Speaker 1: turn next. So to you, Kim Martin Missing Pieces Network,
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Speaker 1: You've been on the case from the get go. Where
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Speaker 1: is the um? Are we sure the dad was in
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Speaker 1: the bio mom? Are we sure the dad's in Mexico,
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Speaker 1: New Mexico at the time? And what do we know
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Speaker 1: about the step mom? That's a loaded question, Kim. Um
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Speaker 1: Lucas father left for work in New Mexico on the
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Speaker 1: night he scheduled. He works twenty days on and ten
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Speaker 1: days off. A lot of early reports said that he
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Speaker 1: was working in Texas, which he did last year, but
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Speaker 1: he had recently switched as a working in New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: He works in on an oil rig. He does something
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Speaker 1: with an oil rig. Oh, yes, I recall that. Now,
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Speaker 1: you're right, and that's true. My my one of my
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Speaker 1: best girlfriends, Um, who happens to be a defense lawyer. Family,
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Speaker 1: a lot of them are on the oil rigs, and
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Speaker 1: you know they're gone for long periods of time. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: So that explains. That satisfies my question about the father,
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Speaker 1: because yes, they're telling me he's out of town, but
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Speaker 1: I naturally want to know really where? How long? Why
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Speaker 1: can you verify it? Okay, so that's verified. Now tell
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Speaker 1: me about the bio mom and the step mom. What
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Speaker 1: do we know the biological mother was The last time
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Speaker 1: she was actually in Kansas was January one. She lived
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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, and I've been in touch with her as well. Um,
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Speaker 1: she's devastated. Um. She is in Wichita now and has
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Speaker 1: been since five o'clock the next day after he went missing. Kim,
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Speaker 1: let me stop you right there, you poor thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I asked you a question and just jump right in.
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Speaker 1: But what you're saying when I have to go out
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Speaker 1: of town, Kim, I'm miserable. I'm away from the twins,
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Speaker 1: I actually, believe it or not. Can't eat. I am miserable.
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Speaker 1: I'm worried. Um, it's always for work. I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: focus on work and nothing else. But I'm worried. I'm
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Speaker 1: worried sick about them, And maybe it's my line of business,
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Speaker 1: but I mean I actually physically cannot eat and I
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Speaker 1: can Oh, Dear Lord in Heaven, it's just making me
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Speaker 1: feel ill. I just had to go to New York
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Speaker 1: this past a week to work on my new A
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Speaker 1: and E show I'm so blessed to have with Dan
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Speaker 1: Abrams and Um. I thought I was going to get
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Speaker 1: snowed in, and I was at the airport, sitting on
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Speaker 1: the floor and just praying, please let me get back
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Speaker 1: to the twins. And I cannot imagine getting a phone
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Speaker 1: call that one of the twins are missing and I'm
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Speaker 1: in another state, sitting on the floor at an airport.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just it's it's upsetting to even imagine
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Speaker 1: that scenario. You've answered my question, Kim about the mom
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Speaker 1: being in another state. How is she? Oh, Dear Lord
23:05
Speaker 1: in Heaven, Kim, how is the mom doing? She's not
23:08
Speaker 1: doing well. I'll be honest, Um, as you can imagine
23:12
Speaker 1: exactly like you said, Nancy, in a case like this
23:14
Speaker 1: where there's so many players, blame is being thrown, rumors
23:19
Speaker 1: are being thrown, and you know the backlash that has
23:22
Speaker 1: come to her. You know, everyone is suspecting someone. So
23:27
Speaker 1: it's been it's been really bad tough on the family.
23:30
Speaker 1: They've had to step back from the searching because people
23:33
Speaker 1: are harassing them threatening them, you know, and at this
23:36
Speaker 1: point I'm just trying to mediate. You know, Let's find Lucas.
23:40
Speaker 1: Then we can blame what whoever? Wait wait, wait, wait,
23:42
Speaker 1: what do you mean people are harassing them and threatening them? Oh? Yes, well,
23:47
Speaker 1: why everyone thinks that such and so did it for
23:50
Speaker 1: this reason or this reason. It's becomes so ridiculous. Everyone's
23:55
Speaker 1: off topic. The topic is finding Lucas. I don't care
23:59
Speaker 1: who did it, blaming who did what when that comes afterwards.
24:04
Speaker 1: Right now, there's a little boy out there, quite honestly,
24:07
Speaker 1: on the side of the road somewhere. I'm just thinking
24:11
Speaker 1: about what that mom went through. So I've cleared. I
24:16
Speaker 1: really do hate to say it like this, Ashley roll Cop,
24:19
Speaker 1: but I'll just put it out there. You've cleared the
24:21
Speaker 1: top two suspects, the mom and the dad. Because when
24:24
Speaker 1: a kid, a child goes missing, you look immediately at
24:27
Speaker 1: the nuclear family. Then you look at aunt's uncle's grandparents
24:31
Speaker 1: who had a boned pick with the way the child
24:34
Speaker 1: was raised or this or that. Then you look at
24:37
Speaker 1: the neighbors in the neighborhood. But let's let me think
24:40
Speaker 1: about the neighbors in the neighborhood for a moment, Karen Smith,
24:43
Speaker 1: you're the forensic expert. The first Another first things, there's
24:47
Speaker 1: so many first things to do, is to look up
24:50
Speaker 1: all the child sex the sex predators in the neighborhood.
24:53
Speaker 1: They don't even have to be child sex predators, just
24:56
Speaker 1: sex predators. And how do you go about doing that
25:00
Speaker 1: here in Smith? How do you find out if there's
25:01
Speaker 1: a sex predator in your zip code? Well, police are
25:04
Speaker 1: going to have lists of who lives where, They're gonna
25:07
Speaker 1: have to have check in points. Some of them are
25:09
Speaker 1: still going to be on probation parole. They're gonna have
25:11
Speaker 1: to check in with all of those people as well,
25:13
Speaker 1: and do knock in talks as simple as knocking talks.
25:16
Speaker 1: Where were you, what were you doing, give me your timeline,
25:19
Speaker 1: we you know, if we may have to get a
25:21
Speaker 1: warrant for your cell phone. All of those questions are
25:24
Speaker 1: going to have to be asked and answered by every
25:27
Speaker 1: single one of the people. And we're talking about not
25:29
Speaker 1: just the neighborhood. You know, sex predators aren't limited to
25:32
Speaker 1: just blocks. They go where they want to go, when
25:36
Speaker 1: they want to go there. So this is gonna be
25:38
Speaker 1: it widens the net so far for police and it's
25:42
Speaker 1: going to stretch their reserves. It's going to stretch their
25:45
Speaker 1: you know, they're going to be exhausted. But they have
25:47
Speaker 1: to follow every single lead with these people, well you know,
25:50
Speaker 1: with me of course in the background, you can't hear him,
25:53
Speaker 1: Alan Deep, Alan jump in. I mean you can go
25:55
Speaker 1: to our website crime online dot com and put in
25:59
Speaker 1: how I find my sex predators and my zip code? Uh.
26:04
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go to Google and put find
26:06
Speaker 1: sex predator by zip code, tons um sex offender registries
26:12
Speaker 1: pop up. You've got the U. S. Department of Justice.
26:14
Speaker 1: You've got us Crime Online, Free Sex Offender Registry, Neighborhood
26:18
Speaker 1: Watch Sex Offender Registry. I mean, it goes on and
26:22
Speaker 1: on and on right Alan, Yes, and the most official
26:25
Speaker 1: maybe the U. S. Department of Justice. They've got the
26:27
Speaker 1: National Sex Offender uh website that we will link to
26:31
Speaker 1: in the story that goes with this podcast. There is
26:34
Speaker 1: a group called Lucas Warriors, a group of citizens that
26:38
Speaker 1: have heated the call to search for missing Lucas and
26:42
Speaker 1: they formed in hopes of finding him. They are doing
26:46
Speaker 1: all they can, the Lucas Warriors. Won't you join us
26:51
Speaker 1: in the search for Lucas Hernandez is five year old
26:55
Speaker 1: little boy going missing out of his own I want
26:59
Speaker 1: to go on to the stepmother. What do we know
27:03
Speaker 1: about her? Is she actually Roberts? Is she married to
27:07
Speaker 1: the dad? Is she the girlfriend? Does she have children?
27:10
Speaker 1: What do we know about her? She is the living
27:13
Speaker 1: a girlfriend. Uh. They've been together for a little bit
27:15
Speaker 1: more than a year. Uh, and she and the bio movie.
27:19
Speaker 1: So I don't know that I would call that as
27:21
Speaker 1: hold on, I don't know that I would call that
27:22
Speaker 1: a stepmother. No, I mean, hold on, let let me
27:26
Speaker 1: ask ash Ash Wilcot, Juvenile Judge, Child Crime watch dot
27:30
Speaker 1: Com year slung up together. I don't know that i'd
27:36
Speaker 1: call that a stepmother. No. I mean, that's just a
27:38
Speaker 1: that's just a smell test right here. But I would
27:40
Speaker 1: not call a girlfriend a stepmother. Yeah, and it really
27:43
Speaker 1: bothers me. The devil's in the details, and so well,
27:45
Speaker 1: I get that. Maybe some people say, oh, it's a stepmom.
27:48
Speaker 1: That's a significant difference. Is there a commitment there where
27:51
Speaker 1: they've chosen to get married and raised their children together
27:54
Speaker 1: or is it just a girlfriend. I mean there is
27:57
Speaker 1: a difference, not only legally, but how you may treat
28:00
Speaker 1: children and how you may interact, you know, uh to
28:02
Speaker 1: Dr Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist, Goal Attainment dot com.
28:07
Speaker 1: Dr Chloe, people say, is marriage any different than living
28:12
Speaker 1: together or being boyfriend girlfriend? I would say no, not
28:18
Speaker 1: really for me anyway, until children enter the picture, and
28:22
Speaker 1: then it's a whole another ball game game on. It's
28:27
Speaker 1: like an endurance test, really, it really is. I mean,
28:31
Speaker 1: in the morning, it's like who can feed the guinea pigs,
28:34
Speaker 1: who can lay out the clothes, who can make this,
28:36
Speaker 1: who can do that, who can get them in the car?
28:37
Speaker 1: Blah blah. It's just it's like NASA precision timing, and
28:44
Speaker 1: you know, you've gotta have a partner who's committed. I mean, sure,
28:48
Speaker 1: I can do it on my own. I do it
28:49
Speaker 1: on my own all the time. But when you're in
28:52
Speaker 1: a relationship and you're and you have children, that's a
28:56
Speaker 1: whole another level of commitment. And let me tell you something, um,
29:02
Speaker 1: it takes a very special person to be in a
29:05
Speaker 1: committed relationship when children are involved, Dr Chloe. It certainly does, Nancy.
29:10
Speaker 1: And it takes a very special person to be committed
29:13
Speaker 1: to somebody else's children. So, of course, in psychology we
29:17
Speaker 1: have all kinds of books and therapies about the process
29:20
Speaker 1: of being a step parent. Um. It's it's not something
29:23
Speaker 1: that's should be done easily or lightly by anybody. Um
29:27
Speaker 1: And absolutely Nancy. When people live together, it's one thing, Um.
29:31
Speaker 1: But when they get married, of course there's a symbolic
29:34
Speaker 1: sense of coming together as one in your flesh and blood.
29:37
Speaker 1: That you're coming together as one, and that already exists.
29:40
Speaker 1: Of course when you have a child that actually is
29:43
Speaker 1: your own flesh and blood. So there's a lot of
29:45
Speaker 1: complicated dynamics there. But as a parent, when you have
29:49
Speaker 1: another person in the home who is not actually committed
29:54
Speaker 1: to the future of those children the same way that
29:57
Speaker 1: you are, Um, things can get really mess them. And
30:00
Speaker 1: so I'm glad you're bringing attention to that that families
30:04
Speaker 1: and blended families they have some extra work to do
30:07
Speaker 1: and making sure that those allegiances are clear because kids
30:10
Speaker 1: need that. We're talking right now about the step mom
30:13
Speaker 1: as she is called. It sounds more like a living
30:15
Speaker 1: girlfriend and me Emily Glass, twenty six years old. Lucas Hernandez,
30:20
Speaker 1: five years old, goes missing while she is taking a nap.
30:25
Speaker 1: She told cops she took a shower and lay down
30:27
Speaker 1: to take a nap, and when she woke up, no Lucas,
30:32
Speaker 1: no signs of a break in, nothing stolen from the home,
30:35
Speaker 1: but the back door was open. Now what do we
30:39
Speaker 1: know about her as an individual out to Kim Martin
30:42
Speaker 1: Missing Pieces network? What do we know? I know she's
30:45
Speaker 1: very attractive, she's a young lady that had been living
30:49
Speaker 1: with the dad. What else do we know about her background?
30:52
Speaker 1: She has two older children, UM that she does not
30:56
Speaker 1: have custody of. UM. She doesn't actually have even joint
31:02
Speaker 1: legal custody, which in Kansas is rather rare from what
31:05
Speaker 1: I understand. UM. And they also she and UM Jonathan
31:11
Speaker 1: Lucas's father also have a one year old daughter. Okay,
31:14
Speaker 1: whoa wa white white white. She's got two children that
31:18
Speaker 1: are older than Lucas. How old are they do we know?
31:22
Speaker 1: I don't know right off? Where all they can't They
31:25
Speaker 1: could be six, and you know, they could still be
31:28
Speaker 1: very young and be older than him. He's only five.
31:31
Speaker 1: So where are they? They live with their father, their
31:36
Speaker 1: biological okay, and there with the bio dad, So they're alive.
31:42
Speaker 1: They're being taken care of. Then there's Lucas. The five
31:46
Speaker 1: all and you're telling me she has a one year
31:47
Speaker 1: old little girl with Lucas's father. Correct, Where was the
31:52
Speaker 1: one year old girl at the time Lucas goes missing.
31:55
Speaker 1: We believe she was napping with Emily, so her biological
32:02
Speaker 1: child is okay. Lucas goes missing. Lucas has brown hair
32:09
Speaker 1: and brown eyes. He's only four ft tall. He only
32:14
Speaker 1: weighs sixty pounds. Actually, Nancy, not to go ahead. This
32:19
Speaker 1: is interesting. I think that when the report was made
32:22
Speaker 1: that he was missing, Emily said he was four ft
32:25
Speaker 1: tall and sixty pounds. It's actually closer to forty pounds.
32:30
Speaker 1: IFDs he likely weighs. Please correct me. I mean that's
32:37
Speaker 1: that right there. That means something to me. I'm just
32:40
Speaker 1: a j D. I'm certainly not an m D. But
32:44
Speaker 1: as she Willcott, I'm trying to remember what Lucy and
32:47
Speaker 1: John David wave when they were five. If you're four
32:50
Speaker 1: ft tall, you should weigh more than thirty eight pounds.
32:55
Speaker 1: You sure should. Red flag red flag, red flag. A
32:58
Speaker 1: she didn't know the weight of her own child, and
33:00
Speaker 1: be she might have purposely lied because thirty eight pounds
33:04
Speaker 1: is small. That's a small child at that height. Something
33:08
Speaker 1: is wrong again, I'm just a j D, not an
33:10
Speaker 1: m D. But I can tell you this much that's
33:12
Speaker 1: not right. Either she didn't know the way is Ashley
33:15
Speaker 1: Wilcott is pointing out, or the child was extremely malnourished. Hey,
33:21
Speaker 1: Kim Martin, correct me anytime you want to, because I
33:24
Speaker 1: want the facts correctly out there. So Lucas brown hair,
33:28
Speaker 1: brown eyes, and once you see his face, you're gonna
33:32
Speaker 1: fall in love with this little boy, and you're gonna
33:35
Speaker 1: understand why we want so desperately to find him. Four
33:40
Speaker 1: ft tall, were now weighing probably under forty pounds, wearing
33:44
Speaker 1: black sweats, white socks, a gray shirt with a bear
33:48
Speaker 1: on it. I'm I'm confused about something. Um, I'm looking
33:56
Speaker 1: at a photo to see actually have a bruise on
34:00
Speaker 1: his face. Chuck Roberts, Yes, and I'm not sure that
34:03
Speaker 1: police have illuminated that as as a as a direct
34:07
Speaker 1: connection to his disappearance. But you don't don't forget that
34:11
Speaker 1: family members in Mexico say that Emily Last had thrown
34:14
Speaker 1: water in his face, that Lucas told them that she
34:17
Speaker 1: had kicked him and dragged him across the room, and
34:21
Speaker 1: that his step mom was quote mean to be so
34:25
Speaker 1: there's there's certainly that aspect. Okay, you're just giving me
34:31
Speaker 1: chills on my arms right now. It reminded me of
34:34
Speaker 1: all the cases I prosecuted with child victims that could
34:37
Speaker 1: not really articulate what had been done to them, and
34:42
Speaker 1: they would say things like them mean to me. I
34:46
Speaker 1: want you to listen to Lucas's great aunt, Sally Resumeusen.
34:52
Speaker 1: Because I was a CPS investigator myself, you know, I
34:56
Speaker 1: would feel helpless. She was sent photos of Lucas last
34:59
Speaker 1: year and some moll to pull bruises on his face
35:01
Speaker 1: and neck, So she says she called protective Services all
35:04
Speaker 1: these stories I've been hearing for months about him possibly
35:07
Speaker 1: being abuted. She only got more concerned after the father
35:10
Speaker 1: and son came to New Mexico for work. She says
35:13
Speaker 1: she and another relative saw more signs that the child
35:15
Speaker 1: was hurt, and so another report was filed in that state,
35:18
Speaker 1: and they investigated and had a frantic interview and all
35:22
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and sent him. I guess the
35:24
Speaker 1: police didn't think there was enough evidence. When I first
35:27
Speaker 1: found out he was missing, I um was suspicious and
35:31
Speaker 1: then worried. The child's great grandmother says Lucas once told
35:37
Speaker 1: her his step mom kicked dragged him across the room
35:42
Speaker 1: and that she reported her concerns to child protection. Don't
35:50
Speaker 1: I don't understand, um too, Kim Martin. Didn't the dad
35:57
Speaker 1: know about this? Yes, there's there's been the confusion about that.
36:01
Speaker 1: It actually appears probably four or five different people reported
36:05
Speaker 1: suspected abuse, um from the biolosts, from the maternal mother's
36:10
Speaker 1: side of the family and the paternal side of the family.
36:13
Speaker 1: So this is Lucas's father's family reporting the abuse. Also, UM.
36:22
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for Jonathan, but he believed
36:27
Speaker 1: in the has stated that it's it's unfounded that family
36:32
Speaker 1: did not. Why is there a bruise? And one of
36:34
Speaker 1: these photos, Nancy, there are sixteen photos that I've seen,
36:37
Speaker 1: and some of them they'll break your heart, you know,
36:42
Speaker 1: all over his body, his arms, his back, his rear, end,
36:47
Speaker 1: his legs, you know, I don't, I don't know. It
36:50
Speaker 1: seems to need it was something they were conflicted stories
36:54
Speaker 1: about jurisdictional issues, and one department would say, no, you
36:57
Speaker 1: need to contact this department. And you know, at all
37:01
Speaker 1: I know is that Lucas said, Emily hurts me. He
37:04
Speaker 1: did not call her mom step mom. He called her
37:07
Speaker 1: Emily Karen Smith with me, forensics expert, and I want
37:09
Speaker 1: to follow up on what you do to verify of
37:13
Speaker 1: a child has been mistreated, abused and beaten. But I'll
37:16
Speaker 1: tell you a funny story. Um. I remember one night, Ashley,
37:22
Speaker 1: I came home from h l N. I got home
37:25
Speaker 1: and about a quarter of ten, Lucy, who should have
37:28
Speaker 1: been asleep, was crying that her dad had spanked her. Well,
37:34
Speaker 1: of course I threw a fit because I don't didn't
37:39
Speaker 1: want them to be spanked unless it was absolutely necessary,
37:42
Speaker 1: he said, Nancy, I've never spanked her in my whole life.
37:46
Speaker 1: I spanked her with two fingers on her arm. Well,
37:49
Speaker 1: of course, Ashley, don't tell the children, but you know
37:53
Speaker 1: I have the whole place tricked out with cameras and alarms,
37:56
Speaker 1: and you touched the screen and it goes off, blah blah. Well,
37:59
Speaker 1: you know I sat up after I got Lucy calm
38:01
Speaker 1: down and in bed and asleep, and I sat up
38:05
Speaker 1: and rewound the whole thing shut enough. She went over
38:10
Speaker 1: to John David as he's sitting there watching whatever on PBS.
38:16
Speaker 1: Wild crats those brothers that play with animals. She comes
38:21
Speaker 1: up to him with a wooden block and hits him,
38:24
Speaker 1: I mean rears back and hits him in the head
38:27
Speaker 1: with the block. Okay, for no reason. So John, David,
38:32
Speaker 1: I'm watching the video. I can't hear it. I can
38:34
Speaker 1: only see it falls over like screaming, I'm sure, like
38:38
Speaker 1: kicking and writhing, and David goes over. I can see
38:42
Speaker 1: him standing there talking to Lucy, takes her arm, her
38:45
Speaker 1: right arm, hits two fingers, the index finger and the forefinger,
38:50
Speaker 1: spanks her off the wrist with two fingers and then
38:53
Speaker 1: she starts falling in the floor, crying and screaming. This
38:57
Speaker 1: this the indignity of the two fingers spiked on the wrist. Okay,
39:02
Speaker 1: so he was right and Lucy was exaggerating. Can you
39:06
Speaker 1: imagine that? And they were about this age. They were
39:10
Speaker 1: about five five years old, or maybe a little bit younger.
39:14
Speaker 1: But you know, Ashley, I was up till one o'clock
39:17
Speaker 1: in the morning trying to figure out how to rewind
39:19
Speaker 1: the video games and go by on David because if
39:24
Speaker 1: he if he had speaking that child the way she said,
39:28
Speaker 1: he would have been out on the sidewalk with a
39:31
Speaker 1: tin cup in his hand, begging for ten cents for
39:34
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee. Good lut brother. But I don't
39:38
Speaker 1: know under understand why when the child says she did
39:44
Speaker 1: this to me and he's got bruises, what what? Why
39:47
Speaker 1: was she still allowed in the I don't understand that, Ashley,
39:50
Speaker 1: and I'm only laughing because I know you're twins. And
39:53
Speaker 1: the funny thing to me as kids will really act
39:55
Speaker 1: out like that when their feelings have gotten hurt. And
39:57
Speaker 1: so she wasn't physically hurt, but it hurt her feelings.
40:00
Speaker 1: Probably she got in trouble with dad. Having said that,
40:03
Speaker 1: there's the difference bruises. So let's talk about for instance,
40:07
Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia, you can use corporal punishment,
40:09
Speaker 1: so a parent can spank their child. There's no law
40:12
Speaker 1: against it. Here's what I see everything. All the studies
40:15
Speaker 1: say it gets you nowhere, right. I don't agree with that.
40:19
Speaker 1: Where using time out, I felt like I was in
40:21
Speaker 1: time out because I had to guard the door for
40:23
Speaker 1: Pete's sake, right. So, but my point in that is
40:27
Speaker 1: that there is a difference when you leave marks or bruises,
40:31
Speaker 1: and you cannot do that. That's called child abuse. So
40:34
Speaker 1: for a child to say she hurts me It's one thing.
40:37
Speaker 1: When you've got repeated bruises on a child, that's a
40:40
Speaker 1: completely different story. It takes a great deal of force
40:44
Speaker 1: and intentional force to cause many types of bruises. And
40:48
Speaker 1: so I will say this two words for you. System failed.
40:52
Speaker 1: The system failed this child for there to be multiple reports,
40:57
Speaker 1: multiple bruises, them arguing about druisy action. Who cares they
41:01
Speaker 1: failed this child? Did? Karen Smith, forensics expert, When a
41:06
Speaker 1: child turns out with bruises and says, Emily is main
41:09
Speaker 1: to me, how do you verify it? What do you do? Karen?
41:14
Speaker 1: The first thing that you do is police and child
41:16
Speaker 1: protective services are supposed to work in conjunction with one another.
41:21
Speaker 1: You look at the child, You take off their shirt,
41:24
Speaker 1: you know you you pull down their pants if you
41:26
Speaker 1: have to, and you look at where these bruises are located.
41:30
Speaker 1: Are they old? Are they knew? If you have a
41:33
Speaker 1: combination of those, you can bet that that child has
41:37
Speaker 1: been going through abuse for some time. And like you said,
41:41
Speaker 1: this system failed this child. He should have been removed
41:45
Speaker 1: from that household. The other child likely should have been
41:49
Speaker 1: removed from that household until they found out what was
41:52
Speaker 1: going on, who was doing the abuse, how long it
41:55
Speaker 1: had been going on, what they were using, if there
41:57
Speaker 1: were patterns to the bruises, where they're hand marks, or
42:00
Speaker 1: was it an object that they were using. These are
42:03
Speaker 1: all questions that should have been answered long before Lucas
42:07
Speaker 1: Hernandez disappeared. Take a listen to the latest development. This
42:11
Speaker 1: is Kansas Deputy Police Chief Gavin Sealer. This case is
42:16
Speaker 1: now considered criminal investigation. Investigators have arrested a twenty six
42:20
Speaker 1: year old female on two counts of child and endangered
42:24
Speaker 1: charges are related to new information gathered during this investigation.
42:30
Speaker 1: Officers and investigators have been working on this case NonStop
42:33
Speaker 1: since six fifteen Saturday evening. We have collected information through
42:38
Speaker 1: countless interviews, follow ups on leads, and examining evidence. This evidence.
42:44
Speaker 1: I'm sorry this incident has touched many in our community.
42:49
Speaker 1: I know that many. There are many more questions as
42:51
Speaker 1: a result of this are This continues to be a
42:54
Speaker 1: criminal investigation and we cannot go into further details. The
42:59
Speaker 1: search for Lecas Lucas is ongoing and we are still
43:03
Speaker 1: asking public for assistance. We continue to provide every resource
43:08
Speaker 1: that we have available to find Lucas. This is our priority.
43:12
Speaker 1: If you have any information on where his whereabouts, please
43:16
Speaker 1: call This tip line number is three one six three
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Speaker 1: eight three four six six one UM as a result
43:26
Speaker 1: of this investigation too, we would also like to thank
43:28
Speaker 1: either those other agencies that have been assisting us over
43:31
Speaker 1: the past few days. Those are the FBI, KPI, the
43:35
Speaker 1: District Attorney's office and it says find a county Sheriff's office.
43:39
Speaker 1: So I love that at this point, yes, is that
43:42
Speaker 1: the step mother? That is the stepmother Emily Glass. It
43:47
Speaker 1: is twenty six year old f the endangering the child?
43:51
Speaker 1: Would that be endangering Lucas? That there are two children
43:56
Speaker 1: in banter us for concis separate to separate Cancifer. But
44:04
Speaker 1: one of the Lucas one of those children is your locus. Yes,
44:08
Speaker 1: we know where the child is. Involve me one her
44:12
Speaker 1: child is that her her daughter? Ah? I would going
44:20
Speaker 1: to them? Do you consider at this point that this
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Speaker 1: disappearance is likely going to be alumicide this point in time,
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Speaker 1: we hope not. We hope that we are able to
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Speaker 1: find Locas and that he is alive. And now for
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Speaker 1: are you guys searching that? Uh? This U investigation will
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Speaker 1: can team on as far as specific locations or sparious
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Speaker 1: locations of old I won't make any specific locations. Can
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Speaker 1: you elaborate on the nature of endangering the child, like
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Speaker 1: was that leaving a child alone or the nature of it?
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Speaker 1: I won't get into the investigation charges. When was she arrested?
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Speaker 1: Choose arresting book set? Do you one more question? What information?
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Speaker 1: And I guess you got to get that afformation for investigation.
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Speaker 1: This has been a result of as I mentioned, we
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Speaker 1: started a six fifteen on this three days ago party
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Speaker 1: still and uh so as a result of all the
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Speaker 1: interviews and throughout the investigation stuff and talking with people,
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Speaker 1: evidence that was collected and things as when we terminated
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Speaker 1: into investations, have you guys been able to um verify
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Speaker 1: her account of what happened in terms of her being
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Speaker 1: the last person to see him again, that's all part
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Speaker 1: of the investigation. I don't want to get into details
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Speaker 1: of it, okay, and so I will discuss that part
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Speaker 1: of it. Is possible there could be more charges. There
45:53
Speaker 1: is possibility of more charges. Correct to Chuck Robert's Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter Chuck, what led to her arrest? Why? Well,
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Speaker 1: the day before Lucas disappeared, she took her daughter, her
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Speaker 1: one year old daughter, to Olive Garden and left Lucas
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Speaker 1: at home, and she later admitted and she later admitted
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Speaker 1: to her step to her her her boyfriend Jonathan, that
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Speaker 1: she paused to smoke a couple of bowls of marijuana
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Speaker 1: before she went to Olive Garden. She claimed that she
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Speaker 1: left Lucas home because he'd been sick and she didn't
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Speaker 1: want to wake him up, and that raised, you know, suspicions,
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Speaker 1: and police arrested her for child engagement two counts, one
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Speaker 1: for Lucas and one presumably for her own one year
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Speaker 1: old daughter. Wow, Okay, what we know right now is
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Speaker 1: that this stepmother, as she calls herself, Emily Glass has
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Speaker 1: redusted a bond reduction, a bond reduction Kim Martin missing
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Speaker 1: Pieces network. Uh, what do we do now right now?
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Speaker 1: Quite honestly, in my opinion, we have to find Lucas.
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Speaker 1: Um sure that it would likely be a recovery effort
47:14
Speaker 1: at this point, sadly, but I don't think the city
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Speaker 1: can make a charge or that anyone is going to
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Speaker 1: pay for doing this until we find Lucas and the
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Speaker 1: area out there. You know, I'm not from Kansas, but
47:30
Speaker 1: it is vast, it's rural, and it's a lot of
47:33
Speaker 1: private property. So that's why we really need private landowners
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Speaker 1: to go search. You know, we've got teams out there
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes that people don't know about searching. Um,
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Speaker 1: we have Lucas Warriors searching. And it's just a lot
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Speaker 1: of land to cover. When you say a recovery, what
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Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Seems to me that all
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Speaker 1: indications at this point are that. Sadly, it kills me
47:57
Speaker 1: to say this. Um that Lucas is not is not
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Speaker 1: a lot. I've been studying the affidavit that has been released.
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Speaker 1: You all know that the so called stepmother, Emily Glass,
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Speaker 1: reports five year old Lucas missing, saying that she was
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Speaker 1: taking a napp now. According to this probably cause affidavit,
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Speaker 1: she also tells police the day before she made the report,
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Speaker 1: she smoked marijuana. She had been cleaning the family home.
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Speaker 1: It's located there near Lincoln and Edgemore, and that she
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Speaker 1: went into the garage and smoked a few bold her words,
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Speaker 1: not mine, of marijuana. That she got hungry, and she
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Speaker 1: and her one year old daughter, only identified as m
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Speaker 1: H drove to Olive Garden as Chuck Roberts told us
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Speaker 1: for dinner, leaving Lucas behind. There's no other visual on
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Speaker 1: Lucas that day, to my understanding, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: long he had really been missing. Well, well, what now,
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Speaker 1: Kim the land word of their rental home. Um, I
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Speaker 1: saw Lucas peeking through the window at five pm that
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Speaker 1: day on the day that she went to Olive Garden. Okay,
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Speaker 1: got that, guy. I'm I'm glad you told me that,
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Speaker 1: because it's another piece of the puzzle. I was referring
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Speaker 1: to the day that he actually went missing. But that
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Speaker 1: helps me. That helps me create a timeline. Do you
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Speaker 1: know of a visual of the day that he is
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Speaker 1: claimed to have gone missing? None? The last visual is
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Speaker 1: at Okay, so she's at home alone after a couple
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Speaker 1: of balls of marijuana, going to Olive Garden with her daughter,
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Speaker 1: leaving him there at thirty eight pounds, and the landlord
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Speaker 1: season at five thirty pm peeking out the window. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if the stepmother was there or not. This
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Speaker 1: court document says the step mom consented to a search
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Speaker 1: of her phone, where police found text on Facebook mess
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Speaker 1: endured between her and her I guess you say husband,
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Speaker 1: um Jonathan Hernandez. Police say the messages stated Glass was
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Speaker 1: going to smoke a couple of bowls in marijuana and
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Speaker 1: go to Olive Garden using a gift card he had
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Speaker 1: sent her. It goes on to say she made two
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Speaker 1: phone calls FIB six in the afternoon around four thirty
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Speaker 1: and five forty. The phone calls were made from the
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Speaker 1: area of Central and Rock, near where all of Garden is.
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Speaker 1: Part of that document was redacted and we couldn't see everything.
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Speaker 1: Do we have any reason, Kim Martin to believe the
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Speaker 1: boy made it through the night? Mm hmm. In my opinion,
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Speaker 1: what do you think happened? Kim, Ah, This is difficult
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Speaker 1: to say. This is just my opinion from putting, you know,
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Speaker 1: things together. Um, I would guess that Emily came home,
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Speaker 1: Lucas made some comment about the landlord, and you know,
51:04
Speaker 1: she had just gone through custody hearings and everything and
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Speaker 1: lost additional custody of her older children, visitation and just
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Speaker 1: in the move and she's the primary caregiver. I hate
51:19
Speaker 1: to say she snapped, but I think she did. I
51:21
Speaker 1: think she laughed out at him, and he had been
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Speaker 1: sick for two or three weeks, and I think it
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Speaker 1: killed me guys, we are looking for Lucas Hernandez with me,
51:33
Speaker 1: Kim Martin, Missing Pieces Network, Karen Smith for Forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge, Dr Chloe Michael Carmichael, New York psychologist,
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Speaker 1: and Chuck Roberts investigative reporter. The tip line three one six,
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Speaker 1: two six seven to one on one or three one six,
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