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Pro Wrestling Spooky/Paranormal Characters | ABJ Podcast (Tornado Tag) · ABJ

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Oh, as soon as I move my mic I get the disturbance.
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Jesus Christmas. What a start.
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It's a ghost. It's a ghost.
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It's a spooky ghost. Well, welcome back to the ABJ
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podcast. Tornado Tag, the only show where
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we seriously debate whether a guy shoots lightning from his
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hands, counts as a technical wrestling move.
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This episode may not be suitable for children, the fainted heart,
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or anyone who doesn't like black goo, fireballs, or undead
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Cowboys. Also, this is not safe for work,
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especially if your boss doesn't appreciate evil clowns,
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possessed puppets, or worm sacks.
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So yes, we are. We're we're back trying some new
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things out here for the podcast and going in different
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directions and trying to do different things.
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Tornado Tags is really going to stay a lot of the same, but the
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other stuff is starting to roll out and I'm really proud of it.
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Some of the stuff quality wise is not where I wanted to be with
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the new cameras and trying to figure things out and syncing
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things up and it's been a nightmare.
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But we're getting through it each side.
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Some episodes like that's going to sound terrible, but I do.
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I want to see the growth too but also real quick trigger warnings
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for this episode. Violence, supernatural
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possession, creepy imagery, Colts, worms, blood and no one
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was really uncomfortable and and and and live burial will
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possibly be brought up here today as.
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Well and and mummies. At least 2 mummies.
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At least two mummies. From the graveyard to the
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squared circle, Wrestling has always walked the line between
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athleticism and a horror movie theater.
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And when it comes to spooky gimmicks, no one quite does it
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like pro wrestling. Tonight, we're counting out.
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We're counting down the most iconic, terrifying and flat out
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ridiculous paranormal wrestlers of all time, from the legends
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that defined eras to curse characters that made us go.
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Who booked this? So BP, give us a little bit of a
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rundown of what you got prepared.
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And I have, I have my list. You have your list.
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What kind of bounce around? What do we expect for this
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episode? Trinaotech.
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Well, we, we got to play the hits.
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Of course we got you. You mentioned a lot of them.
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You got to play the hits. The I think in my opinion, in a
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lot of people's opinion, the most successful gimmick ever is
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a very supernatural gimmick. And most people will tell you
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the best gimmick wrestler ever was The Undertaker.
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Let's just say the name, right? Let's just start it there.
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Let's go. So yeah, let's start with The
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Undertaker. So it's an idea that's based on
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Michael Myers from Halloween. So a very a very popular
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character from horror cinema. Halloween, probably the best
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horror movie ever. I would say the original
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Halloween, in my opinion at least.
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I'm I'm a huge horror fan. Horror Halloween.
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I'm not number one. I'm not.
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It's just that the original Halloween is also a very good
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movie. It's on top of being a horror
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movie. It's just a very good movie.
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And so a lot of the early Undertaker, if you don't
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remember, it's been a long time now the Undertaker, the
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Undertaker character is almost 35 years old.
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The Undertaker character will be 35 next year, which it.
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Hasn't hit yet that it's is it hasn't been weird for you yet to
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see like Undertaker do podcasts and everything?
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Like that, no, not really. Just because it's it is weird
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that he jumped into it so much because he was very protective
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of his character. He was just, he was one of those
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guys like the Undertaker. Being the Undertaker has made me
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a lot of money. I'm going to take this very
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seriously. I'm going to not be as open as
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some of my contemporaries when it comes to peeling back the
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curtain. Even most famously the the the
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thing that kind of started all that was the movie Beyond the
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Map that came out about 25 years ago now.
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And the Undertaker is very famously not really in the
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movie. Steve Austin's Elena for a
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little bit, Bret Hart's only in it for a little bit.
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It centers, WWE wise are centers around Mick Foley.
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But the other Taker, I think is only in it because with his back
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turn, he's sitting in a little cubby like on the phone and
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that's it. Like and he's not speaking.
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And then that was because he went to the director and he's
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like, I'm not really into this. I'm not really wanting to be a
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part of this. Kind of like how certain people
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you could tell didn't show up in WWE.
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Unreal. Because, you know, not my thing,
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not my thing. So he had had a a fairly
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successful run as mean Mark Callus in WCW.
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He was a skyscraper. He was doing some single stuff.
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But the time came where he's ready to jump ship.
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And a lot of a lot of the genesis of the Undertaker is
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going to be at the feet of Bruce Pritchard, Brother Love, the
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Undertaker's original manager, in fact, and this is a little
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bit of a prelude, his, you know, his original name, right?
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I know this is a very commonly known thing.
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Mean Markalis no. No, no, as the undertaker, it
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wasn't just the undertaker. Does was it the dead man?
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It was Kane, the Undertaker. Oh, Kane, That's right.
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Yeah, yeah, Kane. The under.
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For the for for for like a week or two, he was called Kane the
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Undertaker and that was directly from Bruce because Kane is
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Bruce's son's name. So that was that.
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He was tightly into that. And then of course, the brother
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love thing doesn't last very long.
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He's paired up with Paul Bearer for the early run there.
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Paul Bearer very much looking to part.
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He goes some Percy Pringle who was bleached blonde and wore
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like very bright Bobby Heenan style suits with glitter and
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sequins and things like that to dyeing his hair jet black,
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wearing black space white, painting his face white.
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And the my favorite part about that, again, very common
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knowledge. He was an actual like mortician.
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He was out of the Air Force. Paul Bearer was an undertaker.
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You know what's How long did it take you to realize that his
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name meant actually Paul? Like a pall bearer.
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Not long, unfortunately, because The Undertaker debuted in 19,
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late 1990. And then this is a little
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morbid, but about three months after The Undertaker debuted, my
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father died and. They're like, oh, that's what
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this means. And they kept talking about
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pallbearers and like, oh, that's, that's a pallbearer.
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So yeah, it was pretty early on, even though I was only like 7.
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Pretty depressing way to find out about the gimmick.
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Yeah, horrible. Yikes.
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Pro wrestling helps us through our dark.
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Times. Yeah, yeah.
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So he is the original, the dead man, the benchmark, the legend.
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Some of his abilities range from resurrection to light control,
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teleportation and endless mind games.
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Also big moments for him. He he was kind of the guy who
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coined buried alive matches, hell in a cells casket matches.
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And Undertaker is pretty much known for his WrestleMania
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streak, which is a pretty big deal as.
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Well, Oh yeah, definitely. And I, I always like that he
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could like, shoot lightning and all that stuff, but he never did
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it in a match. Like, if I had that power, I
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would use it all the time. Yeah.
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Just like, oh, boom, lightning, you're done.
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And, and the only thing I can can think is it's like, it's
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like Final Fantasy or a JRPGA video game where the Undertaker
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doesn't have enough magic points to do the lightning a lot.
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He has to like after he does the lightning, he has to like stay
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in an in and then he can like have another or take some ether
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when he has. To walk so slow so he can focus
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his mind on the smoke and the and keeping the lights off so he
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can then turn them back on. Right.
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And a lot of that stuff came later.
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The first few years his big thing was, oh, he's impervious
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to pain, you can't hurt him. And then it got tied to the urn
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like pallbearer's urn was what gave him that power.
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Because then they did an angle in 1993 where Mr. Hughes stole
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the urn. They did that a few times, but
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the first one was Mr. Hughes. Mr. Hughes stole the urn and the
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undertaker was all of a sudden more mortal.
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He he could be beaten and then comma stole the urn and turned
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it into chains And and he would always get the he would always
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get the urn back. And then when he first came back
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after the the Undertaker versus Undertaker match, took that big
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sabbatical in 1994 and comes back against the fake
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Undertaker. And then they have this huge urn
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with a giant light in it that Pallbearer hated because it
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weighed like 50 lbs and it had to be he had to charge the
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battery all day. So he did not like that at all.
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Some some things for me, Taker used to scare the shit out of my
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friend Justin growing up. Like he was legit afraid of the
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Undertaker. He was someone I couldn't find a
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wrestling figure of like he would.
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I had to use other figures and pretend it was the Undertaker
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like a like a like a spooky Skeletor or whatever like, and
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that was my Undertaker because we didn't have one.
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I think I did have his Hasbro and then I he was, I think he
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was, it was toward the end of me collecting toys, but I think or
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action figures. But I I also had he was one of
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the few Jacks Pacific. He was like that first line of
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Jacks, Pacific. Yeah, I didn't get a tanker
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until Jacks, until the bigger figures, the bone crunchers and
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stuff. But man, I loved old Taker.
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I loved, well, the whole thing with Michael Myers or the
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biggest call to Michael Myers or Undertaker was the sit up when
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he would just be down and sit up.
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That's a Michael Myers thing. That's kind of was like the
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blueprint of what Taker used the most.
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But man, there is an old and I just seen a TikTok reel of it
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too. We're just talking about just
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the greatness of Bret Hart. I'll put him over, but he we're
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Bret's wrestling Taker and he's just beating him down and
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beating him down and beating him down.
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And he goes up to the second turnbuckle to do his elbow drop.
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And when he's up there, Taker sits up on him and he and and
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just on small new ones where Brett just goes like what mortal
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I have to do to keep the guy down.
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And it was just genius like, like that small little
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storytelling in the ring where just like man, I am, I am
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outclassing this guy. I'm beating him with
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technicality, I'm beating him with speed, I'm beating him with
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strength, but I just can't keep him down like.
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And just some some famous angles too, especially early on with
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The Ultimate Warrior. That was a scary one.
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And that was when he was like very new.
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It was like early, late 1991, early 1992 and Paul Bearer had
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the funeral parlor it, which was like it replaced for
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brother-in-law 'cause I think it was when Bruce Prichard got
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fired and he was out of the company for a little bit.
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And very famous angle where the warriors on the brother love
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show and gets attacked from behind by the undertaker and
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sealed in the casket and they lock it and they lock it.
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You can hear the, the, of the, of the oxygen being taken out
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and it's like he's trapped in the, and this is like kids
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wrestling and I'm like 8 years old.
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Like, what? What the hell is going on?
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They're going to kill The Ultimate Warrior.
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And then you, you open up the casket lid and you can see where
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the Ultimate Warrior's trying to claw his way.
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The claw, the cloth is all clawed.
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It was so good. It was so good.
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And then when they turned the babyface, they did a thing,
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almost like a spin of that, where Jake Roberts slams the
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casket and gonna take his hands and then locks it.
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And the Undertaker is still coming after him with that slow
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Michael Myers walk, just dragging the casket with him
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like he's going to beat Jake with it.
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Yeah, just some amazing. Stuff they did with him.
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I also really like the I may be a man of my own on this one, but
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I love the the the the the dark, the army of darkness or, or the
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ministry. Of Darkness.
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Ministry of Darkness. I they took characters I didn't
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give a shit about and just put some eyeliner on them and just
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did this whole cult thing. But like, yeah, that whole
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gimmick of the Taker with that big long goatee devil looking
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beard, like I like that era. Like I I genuinely, it got a
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little weird with the corporate ministry, but the ministry was
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was cool. That was like the era of stables
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in pro wrestling. Yeah, it got NWODA little bit.
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It got NWOD where it got too big for its own good when they
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merged that with a corporation. And that was like an audible, I
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guess, because they did that whole thing where Vincent
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Banton's babyface and they started talking about the higher
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power and it's like, it's me, Austin.
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It was me. All Allah just pop up in the
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chat as I was saying it. So originally the plan there,
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like everybody was at the time was like, oh, it should be Jake
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the snake, Jake the snake, Jake the snake.
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But Jake wasn't reliable enough. Apparently the plan was
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Christopher Daniels. They were interested in bringing
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Christopher Daniels because he was doing that Fallen Angel
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gimmick, and then Vince saw him and saw how short he was.
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He's like, he's not going to be The Undertaker's master.
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He can't be the The Undertaker's higher power.
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And I think he might have been signed by WCW right after that.
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Yeah, but one last fun fact I have here on my notes is room.
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I don't know how, maybe you can Fact Check me on this BP OK
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Taker has been killed and reborn at least nine times on.
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That makes sense. That makes sense.
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He's lost a bunch of buried alive matches.
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He had his casket set on fire. He rose to the heavens against
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Yokozuna after the casket match. I believe they said it was Marty
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Ginetti dressed as the Undertaker, just raised up to
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the to the rafters. Now that that sounds.
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That sounds pretty accurate, yeah.
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If you did number one, let me go with #2 I'll, I'll just say my
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guy, if you want to throw in a little synopsis of his career,
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I'll let you handle that. Sure.
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But if we talk about the Undertaker, we have to talk
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about his burn brother. The the horror, the half horror
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icon, half pyrotechnician. Kane's abilities were fire
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summoning, unstoppable rage, pure chaos and energy.
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Some big moments as his debut at Bad Blood 97, which I still
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think amazing. Awesome and just years of
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destruction under Kane. Kane's back story includes him
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burning his own parents but somehow becoming the mayor later
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on in real life. Actually, the undertaker set
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that fire. They they they reckoned it and
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said the undertaker was the one that set the fire.
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Yeah, well, let's talk a little bit of Kane.
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And his his actual, he's actually the undertaker's half
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brother because it turns out that Paul Bearer, who worked in
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the in the in the Family Funeral Home.
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Yeah, it was was going after Missus Undertaker.
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Oh yeah. So.
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Yeah, Kane. Suitable for children and work.
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Kane had Kane had a few gimmicks before this that were kind of
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preludes. He well, he was unabombed in
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Smoky Mountain, but that was really a a scary spooky gimmick.
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There's only one scary spooky gimmick in Smoky Mountain.
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We'll talk about him later, but he was the Christmas creature in
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in USWA in Memphis. He was Doomsday, which is very
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much in the the vein of the old Lord humongous or demolition
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type gimmicks. And that was all a lead up to
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being Cane. Now, was Isaac Gincom scary?
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I feel he was like a horror dentist.
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He, well, he was an evil dentist and I think it was just more
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like he was a dentist with bad teeth.
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It wasn't the most well, well thought out gimmick in the
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world. It really wasn't he.
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I kind of put him in a little bit of a spooky.
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If someone said Isaac Jenkins is a spooky character I I wouldn't
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argue it. I mean, there was a horror movie
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called The Dentist. It was Corbin Bernsen was in it.
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So, yeah, I mean, I, I, yeah. Because I think when they first
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brought him in, it was like he would take, he would take the
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light in the vignettes about pulling teeth or drilling people
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with no novocaine or things like that.
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But he never, he never really, he never really did it to
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anybody though, because he, well, he never really had an
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angle except besides, he was Jerry Lawler's heavy to go after
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Bret Hart. That was the only angle he ever
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really had. So they didn't really get a
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chance to delve into it. But but Kane for sure Kane is
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Kane is a little more psychotic than the Undertaker.
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He he beat one of my favorite Kane things is he goes over the
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whole the whole history of his when the him and and Daniel
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Bryan are in like sensitivity training or like what was it?
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I forgot what it was called. It was Doctor Shelby who has
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come back a few times. Scorpio sky is Leonard in there
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and he I think Kane beats up Leonard, but he goes through his
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whole history about how he's been married twice, divorced
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twice. He has an unhealthy obsession
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with Pete Rose. He he electrocuted the testicles
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of the son of the owner of the company and set the head
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announcer on fire and all those other crazy things that Cain
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did. But also a guy who has been
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heavily retconned because originally it's like, oh, he was
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in that house fire and he's a burned victim.
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So that's why all you could really see at first was his one
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arm because everything else was supposed to be burned.
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And and then it became later, like when he on masks, all the
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scars were psychological. But they it doesn't really hold
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up. And, and, and obviously
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continuity and wrestling don't really go together that
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strongly. But they did a thing in the
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Attitude Era where the corporation has cane and his
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back's to the camera, but they take his mask off and they sell
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that. Like Briscoe and Patterson are
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sickened by what? How bad his face looks.
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And so he I guess he was supposed to be scarred at one
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point. Then it just kind of whittled it
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down, whittled it down, whittled it down to Oh no, it was more of
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a psychological thing. Yeah, man, remember when Taker
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was under the cane mask? That that taught me when I was a
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kid, You remember. They had a A lot of people
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remember Undertaker versus Undertaker.
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Fewer people remember Kane versus Kane.
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It was around the time See No Evil came out and they kept
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having this whole thing about May 19th because that was the
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day the that was the release date for the movie.
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But Kane would like flip out if people said May 19th.
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In fact, they made a they did a thing once where Shawn Michaels
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like superkick Rob Conway. He goes to the wrong Rob Conway
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and he puts a shirt on Rob Conway that just says May 19th
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written all over. And then Kane comes out, just
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beats the hell out of him. But when Raw was on like around
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that same time, they had another Cane come out.
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And I think they said the story was supposed to be like this was
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the real Cane. And the guy who's been Cane the
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whole time was like some imposter, some psychopath
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imposter who had been like just pretending to be Cane.
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But then that that cane was Doc Allos.
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Yeah, but it didn't last very long.
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Yeah, yeah, OK. I, I like Kane.
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I like the original Kane. And then like that original,
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like leather mask. And then when they kind of half
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cut it, I was like, I'm kind of, I didn't really like that too
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much. But like you said, a lot of
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stuff had to change with Kane, like the voice box, like it
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just, it just became unpractical and it probably became too much
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to just travel around and carry. But no, I, I like the way they
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developed Kane. And if you want to go with the
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next, pick one of yours. So I'm going to go a little
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obscure. I'm not like ranking these or
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anything like that, but I want. To talk about this is definitely
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not ranking. I want to talk about some
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obscure ones and I kind of this is a 2 for one special.
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I promised mummies and you're getting mummies.
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So the the first Mummy we're going to get was actually from a
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promotion run by Jim Cornette of all people.
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Yes, Jim Cornette's promotion had a wrestling mummy, the
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person who hates all the goofy stuff and wrestling, but it
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wasn't his idea. So Smoky Mountain Wrestling, Jim
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Cornette, one of his main investors was the famous record
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producer Rick Rubin, who I believe started Def Jam.
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And then he had like American recordings and things like that.
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I think he worked like the Beastie Boys, a lot of other
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people. And the only thing Rick Rubin
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really asked for was we need a mummy.
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I want a wrestling mummy. So that that is how we get
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Prince Karis. Prince Karis, Who is why?
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Can't we do that on the independent scene?
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Just like you know what PPW needs?
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A mummy. A mummy Who would be our Who
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would be the PPW mummy? APPW mummy.
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Well, it's got to be a like usually somebody that's like a
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little taller. I have my answer just because a
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he can't get any worse and B you cover his face as a win for.
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Everybody. And who's that?
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Logie. Pi knew you were going to.
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Say that let's make Logie PA mummy.
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A mummy A. Mummy.
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I'll take it under advisement. I'll.
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Take it. What else?
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What else is he really doing? You know what I mean?
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He's a stooge. Just make him a mum.
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He's betraying his friends is what he's doing reluctantly, but
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he's betraying his friends very reluctantly, very reluctantly.
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So Daryl Van Horn is is is Prince Karis's manager, who is
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James Mitchell. He winds up going to WCW where
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he manages Mortis, who was another not as in depth spooky
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character. And it became part of that whole
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blood runs cold thing. And he managed Wrath and a few
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other people. And then he goes to ECW where
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he's the sinister minister and people just much like Kevin
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Sullivan. People at that point just
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started calling, calling him the devil where he would just wear
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red suits. And he was Father James Mitchell
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for a long time in TNA with the the the new church.
21:06
Stable coke on TV. Yes, he did.
21:09
And that was in that was in the the N.W.A.
21:12
But and and a lot of his affectation, and I'm sure he
21:15
would be the first to admit this was very much the Grand Wizard
21:20
of legendary manager of the Grand Wizard.
21:22
Where he would talk like this? You can even hear a little bit
21:27
of that in Paul Heyman. Paul Heyman takes a little bit
21:31
from the grand wizard now. So especially with that that
21:34
very beginning. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is
21:37
that's that's very Ernie Roth. That's very Ernie Roth.
21:40
So so Daryl Van Horn talks about how he went to he went to Egypt
21:48
where he studied. He said he studied things like
21:54
Egyptology and also he throws a necrophilia in there, which hey,
21:59
Kane, Katie Victoria, we talked. We didn't talk about the Katie
22:01
Victoria storyline where Kane apparently had a high school
22:04
sweetheart and Triple H accused him of after she died in a car
22:08
crash. He had his way with her.
22:11
So, but Prince Caris, he makes his, he does his incantation.
22:16
It's on a scroll. And I guess the magic words if
22:19
you want to summon a mummy is Weezat Keizont.
22:26
Which is pig Latin so. No, it's it's more of a pig
22:33
Latin. It's Kizarni who is another
22:36
Kizarni. And it's a very short lived, but
22:38
that was really a spooky character.
22:40
It's just a carny, but that's kind of spooky.
22:42
But they they made the whole thing like like, and this was
22:45
Cornett's kind of push on it. This isn't really a mummy.
22:48
This is a guy in a mummy suit. He's not a 5000 year old
22:51
immortal mummy. Stop it.
22:53
But they would do things where like he cut his thumb because he
22:56
wore a full like mummy suit, like bandages and stuff.
22:59
And he cut they cut his thumb and sand came out and they're
23:02
like his thumb is like they were just trying to like Pooh Pooh it
23:06
all over, like Les Thatcher and Dutchman telling whoever the the
23:09
announcers were. But then a few years later, you
23:12
get a more famous mummy, in the immortal words of Tony Shivani
23:17
the Yete. Oh, I thought you was in the
23:19
rock when the when the rock. No, that was he.
23:22
He was the Scorpion King. He wasn't the mummy.
23:24
That's I mean, he was just he was in the mummy would a cooler
23:26
title. He was in the Mummy movie, but
23:28
he was, he was a scorpion king. I think he was an ancient enemy
23:32
of the mummy. So now I'm talking about the
23:35
Yete, which is a weird name for a mummy because a Yeti is like a
23:39
Bigfoot. It's an abominable snowman.
23:40
Yeah. Yeah.
23:41
So this this happens on I think they on Nitro, they kept having
23:45
a show like a block of ice with some kind of big thing in it and
23:49
then eventually the block of ice exploded and then after a match
23:53
with Hulk Hogan and the giant, the Yete comes out.
23:57
The yete is huge. There were rumors that like the
23:59
first couple of appearances it was elegante Giant Gonzalez, but
24:03
I don't even know if that's true.
24:04
And almost always it was Ron Reese who was part of Raven's
24:08
flock as Reese. He was Ron stud.
24:10
He was a very big guy, like a legit 7 footer and he came out
24:14
and the best way to describe what he did to Hulk Hogan is he
24:19
kind of humped Hulk Hogan from behind in the middle of the
24:24
ring. That's what mummies do.
24:26
They're. Helpers.
24:27
And it's like a it's like a Chihuahua.
24:29
They're the Chihuahua of scary things.
24:32
So that was the original appearance of the Yeti.
24:35
He had a few more, but then they repackaged him as a ninja.
24:38
Logie, P. The Humping Mummy BP.
24:42
He is, he does have Chihuahua energy.
24:44
He definitely does. He has he has significant
24:47
Chihuahua energy, so that. It works because he can't
24:50
wrestle so, but I'm sure you can hump, you know what I mean?
24:53
Very cruel that's that's two mummies for the price of one for
24:59
everybody. Yeah, I'll, I'll go to the next
25:03
one. I will.
25:05
I'm not going to sit here and pretend.
25:06
You pretend to you guys as an audience that this was my
25:08
favorite of all time. I do appreciate the character.
25:11
I do appreciate the costume. I do appreciate the pageantry.
25:15
But unfortunately for me, that's kind of where it ends.
25:18
The promos, the fan theory pissed me off, I'm not going to
25:21
lie. But what it got to, the time to
25:23
put on the match is when this character died for me and I'm
25:28
going to go with a Duke 2 Fer. I'm going to go Bray Wyatt and
25:31
the Fiend. I enjoyed Bray Wyatt as the cult
25:35
leader more than I enjoyed him as the Fiend.
25:38
Same here. I didn't really like the Fiend.
25:40
I thought the Fiend looked cool. As a horror movie fan it was
25:43
fucking cool looking. The aesthetic the the characters
25:46
that the the promos were fun. Like all of that was great for
25:50
the Fiend but when the Fiend had to wrestle it lost me.
25:55
Bray Wyatt as the swamp cult leader loved it.
25:59
I loved as, as Tom Lawler once called him, a fat, dirty wizard
26:03
he was. A fat dirty wizard but the the
26:07
modern horror icon of wrestling. Equal parts Stephen King and a
26:11
southern cult leader. His abilities were reality
26:14
manipulation, possession and mental warfare.
26:17
His big moments for the Firefly Funhouse match Hated it with
26:21
John Cena and then he also debuted The Fiend there.
26:27
The masked was also designed by Tom Savini, which I think is
26:31
super cool because I'm a big Tom Savini fan and he was the
26:34
special effects legend behind Friday the 13th, Dusk Till Dawn,
26:39
Dawn of the Dead. I mean, you name it, he's
26:42
probably done the special effects I.
26:44
Got to watch From Dusk till Dawn again.
26:45
I like that movie. Great movie.
26:47
She well, Lily was just talking about Salma Hayek and, and I
26:51
was. Ageless, the ageless.
26:53
You want to see a Salma Hayek scene?
26:56
I'll show you Dusk till Dawn. You want to talk about booking
26:59
yourself in a strong position? Nobody ever booked themselves in
27:02
a strong position like Quentin Tarantino.
27:04
Like he wrote that. He didn't direct that movie, but
27:06
he wrote it. And Mr. Foot Guy?
27:09
Yeah. Had Salma Hayek had was booked
27:14
himself to drink off of Salma Hayek's foot?
27:16
Yeah, yeah, 100%. Well, let's get to the Bray
27:19
Wyatt. What do you got?
27:20
What do you got for Bray? What do you What are your takes
27:22
on him? Similar to yours and I, I want
27:24
to be respectful here because I I, I do not believe in speaking
27:27
I'll of the dead whatsoever and. As a human, I'm sure he was
27:31
great. Oh yeah, the character.
27:33
From Yeah, and you can never take away from Bray Wyatt's
27:35
creativity or his imagination. I thought some of those Firefly
27:40
Funhouse skits, like the the promos of vignettes were
27:44
excellent, especially early on. But it was always the payoff.
27:49
The payoff with him was always the problem because those
27:52
characters are so hard. Those characters are so hard.
27:55
And I've, I've said it a million times, like, oh, the the big
27:57
scary looking person that doesn't lose and never really
28:01
sells, always gets over. And the Fiend did.
28:03
The Fiend got over huge, but it's really hard to land that
28:08
plane because eventually they are going to have to sell and
28:11
eventually they are going to have to lose.
28:12
And back in the day when it was somebody like that, well, when
28:15
they lost, they just left the territory and then it was on to
28:18
the next one. But that doesn't really work.
28:23
And that's actually what wound up happening with Bray Wyatt is
28:26
eventually the character got a little stale.
28:28
The character got a little long in the tooth.
28:32
We kind of ran out of rope and there wasn't really a whole lot
28:35
we can do so. And no only benefit at work in
28:37
the character. Like no one really came out of
28:40
the feud better than the one guy went in.
28:43
One guy, LA Knight. LA Knight because he he, he
28:46
became like a unfortunate. That was pretty Wide's final
28:50
appearance, but LA Knight came out of it pretty good.
28:52
Yeah, like the the The Hell in a Cell match.
28:56
Oh, it was Seth Rollins, horrible.
28:57
And and that's and that's what those characters are so hard to
29:01
book because you can't really beat them.
29:05
And then that that's like that hell in a soul match that Seth
29:09
Rollins lost by disqualification and he loses the title a month
29:12
later anyway. Just have him lose it there.
29:15
It it's a it's a tough one. And then it was really, really
29:19
hard in that, really, really hard to do anything outside of
29:22
it because you always have to one up yourself.
29:24
You always have to go higher, higher, higher.
29:26
To the point where one of the last matches we see Bray Wyatt
29:28
in that that Fiend run is a match where Randy Orton
29:33
basically burns him to death after.
29:36
Yeah, they took advantage of the pandemic and the Thunderdome and
29:38
not having a live crowd there that they can just literally set
29:42
a Bray Wyatt dummy on fire in the middle of the ring.
29:44
Yeah. Yeah, and then I mean, the last
29:47
match was cool where he was sponsored by Pitch Black
29:49
Mountain Dew and he had. The Oh, the Orbeez, the.
29:51
Paint he had the paint on where like when the black light hit
29:53
him, he looked different. I thought that was kind of cool.
29:56
What do you what how do you feel?
29:57
What kind of group them in here with him?
30:00
But you had Alexa Bliss with him for a while there where she was
30:04
kind of like this possessed character alongside him.
30:07
I'd like the muscle man skits when he would like kind of poked
30:10
on a reality where he's like making fun of his own weight and
30:14
he's the muscle man dance and stuff like that.
30:16
I thought it was good. But then the wide 6, obviously,
30:20
unfortunately we lose Bray and the entire time Bray's alive and
30:25
we're like, man, if you're going to partner Bray up with someone,
30:28
just put Bo out like we were as fans were like, give us Bo, put
30:32
Bo with him and never, never. Never.
30:34
I don't know how many fans have ever clamored for both Dallas's
30:36
from being honest. Well, there was a while there
30:39
towards the end where they knew Beau was growing his hair out.
30:41
Yeah. But when the Uncle Hallody thing
30:43
started happening with that last run of of Bray and and they
30:46
probably would have gotten there if Bray's health hadn't
30:49
unfortunately turned for the worst, they they probably were
30:51
headed there the the Y at six. I do like that they toned down
30:55
the supernatural stuff. Preface all this was saying I'm
30:58
not a huge the biggest fan of all this because I think
31:01
wrestling should have a through line and if your whole show is
31:05
like Lucha Underground, I have a lot of respect for Lucha
31:07
Underground, which had a lot of supernatural characters.
31:09
You had a witch, you had a lot of stuff like that.
31:12
But the whole show is like this is a world where anything can
31:15
happen. And then you have WWE or AW or
31:20
places like that where it's like, OK, everybody's normal
31:23
except for this guy that can shoot lightning or this guy who
31:25
can put John Cena in the Phantom Zone.
31:28
Or like, what was the Firefly Funhouse match supposed to be?
31:32
Were we seeing like a hallucination?
31:33
Was it real? Like, no idea.
31:36
Yeah. So stuff like that loses me a
31:39
lot. And I, I and I, I, we haven't
31:43
had enough podcast with you and me and some others where in the
31:47
moment I'm like, yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of the spring
31:49
wine and stuff. And I'm not going to.
31:51
I'm not going to pretend like I am now because he has
31:53
unfortunately passed. I lost it with the Wyatt 6.
31:56
I do like seeing guys like Dexter Loomis and Gacy and Beau
32:00
having and and Nikki Cross and you know, have a have a place to
32:05
perform and do their thing. I love watching Gacy so anytime
32:09
I can see Gacy perform, I'm in. See, if I want to watch Joe
32:12
Gacy, I'm just going to go watch that the most illegal thing in
32:15
the history of wrestling thing again.
32:16
Yeah. Which is funny because like if
32:20
if you're going to, if you're going to do it, just do it Well,
32:22
like that. That was that was silly.
32:24
And that wasn't even your car. There's like a CZW show.
32:27
They did that. But it was, it was so
32:29
entertaining that it's like, OK, well, it gets a pass.
32:33
Yeah. All right.
32:34
What's your next pick or next one you want to talk about?
32:37
I'm going to go again with a little more obscure and I'm
32:39
going to go with some some Memphis curiosities.
32:42
So we were talking about a little a little bit about this
32:44
before we went on the air with Memphis.
32:47
You had half the year for a lot of times that Jerry Jarrett
32:51
would book and you would have well thought out storylines and
32:55
things built pretty logically. Personal issues, draw money.
32:59
That was Jerry Jarrett's motto. It was on a plaque in his office
33:02
and and it was very just good traditional wrestling booking.
33:06
Memphis was always a little bit out there.
33:08
They would they would do a little bit of crazy stuff.
33:10
But then when Jerry Lawler would get the book for half the year.
33:15
I want to, I want to, I want to spoiler alert real quick for
33:18
you, BP and everyone who's listening.
33:21
And in the future, if I ever get money and we can start our own
33:25
wrestling company, this is exactly what we're going to do.
33:28
You're going to book dead serious really good for half a
33:31
year and then I'm growing it out the next half of the year.
33:38
So you know, so this starts like the late 70s when Lawler starts
33:46
to buy into the territory and you have Doctor Frank.
33:51
Not, not our Doctor Frank, not Doctor Roma Scavage, not the
33:55
legend this is. This is the not legendary Doctor
33:57
Frank. So he might be a mummy.
34:00
I don't know. He's been around a long time.
34:03
I always call it, I always say unfrozen caveman Dr. Yeah, yeah.
34:08
That, that's a, that's a reference to, there is an old
34:11
SNL skit with Phil Hartman, unfrozen caveman lawyer.
34:14
That's, that's, that's, that's the origin of that.
34:17
But Doc, no, Doc, this Doctor Frank was literally a
34:20
Frankenstein monster, bolts in the neck and everything.
34:23
And this was a monster heel that challenged Jerry Lawler in the
34:26
late 70s. And then you had a little bit
34:29
later, you had Toggar, the Lord of the Volcano, who was like a
34:33
dragon man was born in a volcano.
34:37
And and I'm I'm probably missing some other ones and and one of
34:40
his more later run characters. So this is more of a through
34:44
line, not so much spooky, but I think they would do some weird
34:48
stuff when they would turn him heel.
34:50
You would have Spellbinder who was a local wrestler, Del Rios,
34:55
not Del Rio. Spellbinder was a magician but
35:00
he would sometimes would act like would have magical powers.
35:02
He had a very brief run like maybe a month run, a few TV
35:07
appearances in WWE or WWF at the time is Fantasio and his whole
35:12
thing was like he would do a small package and like pull the
35:15
underwear out from the the wrestlers under the wrestlers
35:17
trunks and things like that. He already would do like his.
35:20
Magic ability was taking your underwear off.
35:22
Yeah, he could reach in your trunks and pull off your
35:25
underwear. Guess what Nate heaters do
35:30
gimmick is? I I I've talked to Nate many
35:33
times about about Spellbinder and Fantasio.
35:37
Nate could take people's underwear off is definitely
35:39
getting booked. That's my half of the year right
35:41
there. That's my version of Nate.
35:45
So yeah, Memphis, Memphis had its had its share of a very
35:51
wacky wrestling characters for sure.
35:53
I love that I'm going to go with with 1 here and I'm going to
35:58
kind of probably take a three for here around.
36:03
I mean there's this this trend comes and goes some and when it
36:06
comes it, it comes hot and it comes hard.
36:11
Another reason why we're not suitable for work.
36:13
But when vampires get popular BP, they get real popular.
36:18
You know, we sure do. And we had a really cool vampire
36:22
trio at one point in time in WWE.
36:25
The gothic vampire trio that defended the 1999 goth culture
36:30
bloodbaths, supernatural entrances and vampire
36:34
immortality. I had to.
36:35
I had to put my red light on them for this.
36:37
Yeah, the music's so good too. Oh, the brood music is
36:41
incredible. Incredible.
36:44
Some of the best music Jim Johnson ever did, and that's
36:46
saying a lot. Yeah, rising from a fiery ring
36:50
to develop blood, spitting ambushes when they would do the
36:54
bloodbaths. The bloodbath.
36:55
Yeah. So cool.
36:57
Did you ever see the WCW version?
37:00
No. It was they were doing the.
37:03
This is toward the end of WCW's like 2000 and the big feud was
37:08
and this they had a group of people called the Millionaire's
37:10
Club. And this was like what they
37:11
would really call like some of the higher paid guys backstage
37:13
like Hogan and Flair and Sting, Luger, DDP, like guys who were
37:19
probably making $1,000,000 a year or more.
37:21
So they made that a real stable. And then like the younger, more
37:24
hungry guys like Billy Kidman and a lot of the Conan, a lot of
37:29
those younger guys became the new blood.
37:31
And so they did a thing where Kevin Nash is in the ring.
37:34
Kevin Nash was part of the Millionaires Club and he's
37:37
standing in the middle of the ring and he was supposed to have
37:39
blood dropped from the ceiling onto him.
37:43
And so he's standing there in his FUBU baseball jersey because
37:46
it's 92000. He's wearing his FUBU and the
37:50
blood falls about two feet away from him and he just has to look
37:54
there. Like what do you want from me?
37:56
It's WCW. Because this already just slips
37:59
and just rolls around. And no, no, I don't think so.
38:02
I, I think, I think you're thinking of when they jumped in
38:04
the pool at at Club Laville and they're just like flailing
38:08
around in the pool. I don't think he I don't think
38:09
he he's slamming it. But yeah, now the Brood was a
38:12
lot of fun. I know we both have had the
38:15
chance to meet Gangrella. Gangrella is super cool.
38:17
He's he's one of the taking. Flat back bumps is on in the
38:20
fucking Falcons nest for no reason.
38:23
He's a, he's a super cool guy though.
38:25
He's he's a really, really fun guy to have in your locker room
38:28
as well. And Gangrel legally owns the
38:30
name the Vampire Warrior. Yeah, that was his name in in
38:34
his early in his career in Memphis.
38:35
Yeah, long before WBE. So he he tech, he owns that,
38:40
that whole bit. All right, what's your next one,
38:42
BP? My next one is one that kind of
38:48
gripped me a little bit because I was like 8 years old.
38:50
I, I knew kind of wrestling wasn't on the up and up, but
38:54
there was still suspension of disbelief.
38:56
And then Papa Shongo shows up. Papa Shongo shows up with a, a
39:01
skull with like, I don't know who Baron Zombie was, but like a
39:05
skull with like smoke coming out of it and making The Ultimate
39:09
Warrior throw up and making black goo run down his face.
39:13
And he's about to wrestle a guy and the lights go out and they
39:15
go back onto the guy's hands on fire.
39:17
And it's like, whoa again. Why wouldn't you do that every
39:21
match? Why wouldn't you use your voodoo
39:23
powers every match? Well, he kind of did there for a
39:25
little bit because they had another guy like his feet were
39:27
on fire and and stuff like that. He was mild.
39:31
I got to meet him on a on an indie show and he was taking
39:35
photos with children and like, he's holding this baby and she
39:38
just stared at him and he just like, Oh yeah.
39:42
It it it's so funny that he's since then become well, he goes
39:45
from that to comma, who's like the serious Street Fighter guy
39:48
to the to the godfathers like this fun loving pimp, pimp and
39:53
hose nationwide roll a fatty for the pimp daddy.
39:56
Yeah, so wrestling wrestling's voodoo priest with a bone
39:59
necklace and a bad temper he was.
40:01
His abilities were curses, voodoo spells, and making The
40:03
Ultimate Warrior vomit black goo that you just had.
40:05
No, those are two different things.
40:07
He made the Warrior vomit and then he made black goo come out
40:10
of like the Warrior's head and it came out like Geno and, and,
40:14
and you watch it back. Like the Warrior's wearing a a
40:16
jacket which he never wears 'cause obviously the jacket is
40:19
holding like whatever device it is going up through his hair and
40:22
like that. Yeah.
40:24
Memphis, Steven Chambers in the chat in Memphis.
40:26
He was the Soul Taker, which was like a proto Papa Shango.
40:29
This was like a big time for voodoo gimmicks.
40:31
And the other one was in Global Wrestling.
40:33
It was Rasta, the voodoo man who I, I wanna say, I want to say he
40:41
became, I think he was like in a commercialist.
40:47
I think he might have been like Terry Tate office linebacker.
40:50
So like that. I don't think that was Terry
40:51
Crews, but I think Terry Crews would have been like big Rasta
40:55
who was another guy with a voodoo gimmick.
40:57
I guess it was just a, a popular thing in the early 90s.
41:02
Like I, I don't remember like a movie where voodoo was a big
41:04
thing back then, but I guess so. So I have a couple ones I want
41:08
to throw out to you. I'm just like, would you
41:11
classify these people as paranormal or spooky or horror
41:16
inspired characters? Where where was that first one?
41:21
Luna, Vashon. Not really, I guess the closest
41:26
she got to that was when she would be with Vampire Warrior.
41:31
Like I think they had a few shots in in ECW before Gangrel
41:35
became Gangrel. So she was always like spooky
41:39
adjacent or, or sometimes I think she was more of like a
41:42
freak, like punk, almost like a punk.
41:45
Like, you know, you would always well, actually let's how did we
41:49
go this far without talking about Kevin Sullivan?
41:53
But we'll circle back. Kevin.
41:54
I want to run through. I want to run through a couple
41:56
possible ones here. OK, the great Muda.
42:01
No. Even the ability to spit poison.
42:06
I guess so, but they always they always said like some like
42:08
Japanese they they made-up some cockamamy thing about like
42:10
Japanese people had surgery on their glands so they could like
42:14
secrete. I still think that's like.
42:16
I think that can that teeters on paranormal.
42:19
Well, you can. Spit poison.
42:21
Well, actually, no, yes. And and then if you factor in
42:25
hustle, if you factor in Hustle, then absolutely.
42:28
Because in Hustle they were able to summon the great Muda for
42:32
you. Would you would have loved
42:33
Hustle. They were able to summon the
42:35
great Muda from a genie lamp. They threw the lamp down and all
42:39
this green smoke comes up. And when the smoke comes down,
42:40
the great Muda is there. And then there they had a a
42:44
female character, Yinling, I think was her name and he misted
42:49
her in the the neither regions. And and yeah.
42:54
Had a baby? And well, she laid an egg.
42:57
She laid an egg and the the egg hatched and it was not the
43:02
gobbledygooker. It was a giant baby who was
43:05
played by Zombie. No, it was going to be the egg
43:08
man. He, he thought he was coming out
43:09
of the egg. He was like, they're going to
43:11
make me shave my head and I'm going to be the egg man.
43:15
No, it was Aki Bono, the famous sumo wrestler.
43:18
He was the, he was from Hawaii, the first American wrestler to
43:20
reach the rank of Yokozuna, which is like the grand champion
43:23
of a Japanese sumo. Big, big, big guy.
43:25
Like 400 lbs six foot 7. And they made him a baby and he
43:30
was Bono Chan and he was the son of Yinling and the Great Muda
43:34
because the Great Muda impregnated her with his his
43:37
miss. So yeah, supernatural.
43:39
Jake the Snake Roberts. He was almost like borderline
43:44
serial killer stalker. Yeah, yeah, that if you're
43:47
counting that. Yeah, like especially that,
43:51
trust me, that Jake Roberts, the Jake Roberts was in the feud
43:55
with The Ultimate Warrior where he locks him in the room with
43:57
all the snakes. Yeah, that was.
43:58
And he's getting buddy, buddy with the Undertaker.
44:01
Yeah, that not supernatural, but definitely like more of a like
44:06
horror slasher. In fact, they did a they
44:09
actually did a gimmick in WCW when Vince Russo was first there
44:13
where nobody was getting killed, but somebody was attacking
44:16
people backstage and wore a Scream mask.
44:18
It was the whole Scream outfit. But I guess, I guess Warner Time
44:22
Order it was. Probably David Arcade.
44:24
It was, it was actually she had. She had not left for WWF.
44:28
It was actually Molly Holly before she was Molly Holly.
44:30
Oh wow. And then two more for you, this
44:33
one probably easier. Malachi Black.
44:36
Yeah, with the black, yeah, with the the the mist thing in AAW
44:40
more so than WWEI think it was like he seemed to be able to
44:43
control people's mind with his mist or something.
44:45
Like and then the last one and this one where I'm torn because
44:49
I think he started off as paranormal spooky horror and
44:53
then kind of transformed to something completely else but
44:56
gold dust. I don't think it was ever
44:59
paranormal, like it was just the guy that painted himself up
45:02
gold. Like you didn't get like Buffalo
45:05
Bill vibes. Androgynous.
45:07
Scary. Not really, because you remember
45:11
very early, like you're not, you're only like.
45:13
Spying on people. He had cameras everywhere.
45:16
Well, it was never confirmed that that was him.
45:19
In fact, they would always say like it was never called GDTV.
45:23
Yes, it was, yes, it was. Yes, it was once, once or twice.
45:28
But no, I I think it was more mind games and, and that that's
45:32
more in like the line. And then it very quickly became
45:34
mind games based on him pretending to be homosexual.
45:38
Is is mankind Mankind's a horror character?
45:41
Yeah, I it's a famous horror back story where he's he's like
45:50
stuck in a basement with his rat George, which was a reference to
45:54
Jim Cornett because Jim Cornett had a pet rat named George.
45:56
Wasn't it really Cornett's rat? It may have been.
46:00
It may have been. Because I think there's a whole
46:01
bit that somebody just talked about online where I think
46:04
Cornett had a call off work. He couldn't be part of a meeting
46:07
because his pet rat died. Yeah, George is like your your
46:10
rat died like. But they said early on the the
46:14
man when mix holding the rat in those promos, it was yeah, it
46:18
was his pet, Yeah. Yeah, not so much like he didn't
46:21
have powers, but yeah, there was definitely a, a supernatural
46:25
curve to it. Same thing with Oz.
46:26
Oz didn't have powers. I just want to mention him
46:29
because he was on the graphic. Oz was basically, they got the
46:33
Turner, got the rights to the Wizard of Oz.
46:35
So they wound up just having him.
46:38
Kevin Sullivan as the Wizard sing Welcome to Oz in a very
46:41
thick Boston accent. Yeah, well, let's let's pay
46:44
tribute to one that we cannot skip over, and that's Kevin
46:48
Sullivan. The devil, the first guy that
46:50
they called the devil, and it's funny because they never brought
46:53
up Satanism. They never brought up anything
46:55
like that just because they, they, they had to toe a line
46:59
because remember, this is like the mid 80s.
47:00
It's Florida. It's a very like kind of
47:02
conservative area. And so it was always like a
47:09
higher power and things like that.
47:12
And he shaved an X in his chest and, and, and he, he was, it was
47:16
a more serious version of what later became the Dungeon of
47:18
Doom, which was again, very, very spooky tinged because you
47:23
had the purple haze. Mark Lewin, who I think came out
47:27
of the Atlantic Ocean. And he would, and he had, he did
47:30
have like it seemed like mind control powers.
47:32
And that's where Luna Vashon comes in, because Luna Vashon
47:35
comes to Florida as a journalist.
47:38
She's playing a journalist. She's using her real name.
47:40
She's. It's not Luna Vashon.
47:42
It's. Oh, this is Trudy Hurd, a
47:44
journalist who's here to cover wrestling.
47:46
And she falls under the spell of Kevin Sullivan.
47:50
And they do a Manson family. Yeah.
47:52
Yeah, they did. And like, they shave half her
47:54
head and. And like, she she continued
47:57
rocking with that look. But that's where Luna Vashon
47:59
came from, was Kevin. And same thing with
48:02
unfortunately with us. Yeah.
48:05
Fallen Angel who was solving his real life wife at the at the
48:08
time and again just under his spell and it was very very very
48:15
heavily implied that he was a Satanist, but they never came
48:18
out and said it. Yeah, well, we're hitting that
48:21
marker of the episode. I want to run through this.
48:23
Some names I have on my list. BP you can run through some of
48:25
yours, but I had the Ministry of Darkness, Mordecai, The
48:29
Boogeyman, Abyss, Rosemary, Kevin Thorne and Ariel Vampiro
48:35
Mill Mortes, but you can go on for days and days and days.
48:39
Yeah, most of Lucha Underground, yeah.
48:41
Yeah, Pentagon. Pentagon Junior.
48:43
Pentagon Dark The Vampire Warrior.
48:48
Which was Gangrel, yeah. Yeah, Black Scorpion, Waylon
48:52
Mercy, Karma the Demon. Finn Balon Demon.
48:59
I thought you meant the kiss demon.
49:02
We'll kiss demons on there, too. The Dungeon of Doom.
49:06
It's not hot. It's not.
49:09
There's the whole Kabayacs here. I've never been here before.
49:14
The sinister minister we talked about earlier, Raven.
49:18
I don't know how much that one falls in, though.
49:20
Raven Well. In so much as he was a cult
49:22
leader. Yeah, Julia Hart, The Missing
49:25
Link. Black Rain.
49:28
That was, that was also Dustin Rhodes.
49:30
That that was, that was the low point of Dustin Rhodes's career.
49:32
I think he would be the first to say that.
49:34
Oh, you also had a relic, which was killer spelled backward, as
49:36
Mike Denais said every time he mentioned him.
49:38
Yeah. And then some other ones.
49:40
Dan Hausen, Sue Young, Charles Mason who on the independent
49:44
scene I think is doing a pretty good serial killer Jason Bateman
49:47
role and then Max the. Impaler Yeah, Matt, They're
49:51
they're they're excellent. They're, they're very imposing.
49:54
It's funny. You're talking about some of
49:56
those TNA people. I forgot about the Voodoo
49:58
priestess Roxie Laveau. Roxie Laveau, who was Roxie
50:04
Laveau was a manager for the Voodoo Kin Mafia VKM, which was
50:08
a new age Outlaws and get it because VKM has Vince McMahon's
50:11
initials. But she, yeah, she played, she
50:13
didn't do anything inherently spooky.
50:15
But the, the thing she's most famous for is when she got out
50:18
of that like voodoo priestess gimmick, because whatever dye
50:21
she was using to, to, to dye her hair, when she was doing that
50:25
gimmick, she had a severe allergic reaction to it and she
50:29
had to shave her head. And so they turned it into a
50:31
wrestling angle. And even when they're cutting
50:32
her hair, you can see like she has like, like most of her scalp
50:35
is just like a beet red from whatever kind of skin disorder
50:41
she had. Let's see, I we covered a lot of
50:44
them. I'm trying to think of more like
50:45
the Indies. Oh, the neo solar temple.
50:47
There's my Ultra Mantis poster back there.
50:49
Ultra Mantis. Yeah, hollow, wicked and and
50:52
fright and frightmare. Well, the whole Eye of Tear
50:54
thing where the that's like the monkey's Paul, that was the
50:57
monkey's Paul of a Jakar universe.
50:59
Like the Eye of Tear was basically an artifact with like
51:02
this great power. And they did a lot of stuff with
51:05
Delirious where he was like possessed by it and things like.
51:07
Delirious is a good one. Well, he's a lizard man, so
51:10
yeah, that that's a little supernatural.
51:12
He's a lizard man. Oh, what's?
51:14
Who's that yousefur with the frozen caveman on the?
51:17
NFL Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfrozen caveman wrestler.
51:21
Unfrozen caveman wrestler. Yeah.
51:23
I I know Stephen in the chat brought up Lord Humongous, who
51:26
was Sid Vicious at one point. Also, Jeff Van Kemp was Lord
51:30
Humongous for quite a bit. That was a lot of those guys
51:33
that came out of like the Mad Max movies.
51:35
They post apocalyptic things like the road Warriors, but and
51:38
then demolition was an offshoot of that.
51:42
I'm trying to think of other ones here.
51:43
I I know we're missing a ton because there's been so many of.
51:45
These things, so many. I know Cross.
51:50
Depending on how you define him, at some point.
51:52
Marion Cross. Killer Cross.
51:54
I I that's, I think also a lot more in the vein of the besides
51:58
that book that like lit up on fire that you did to Keithley.
52:01
That's where the vein of like the Charles Mason, not almost
52:05
like a cult leader American Psycho that that and that leads
52:07
me right to Sean O'Hare. People love this gimmick that
52:10
Sean O'Hare did where like people thought he was almost
52:12
like the devil where he's just like, go ahead, do whatever you
52:15
want. Nothing like he.
52:17
They were these really well produced skits where Sean O'Hare
52:19
is like a good looking dude, big dude in a suit, and he's like
52:23
just basically the devil on your shoulder.
52:26
Like go ahead, cheat on your, cheat on your wife.
52:28
Who cares? It's all about you.
52:31
Spooky doink. Spooky Doink was good.
52:33
Yeah, yeah, again, not, not supernatural, but definitely
52:38
just an evil clown is always fun.
52:40
But that's Sean O'Hare thing that I'm not telling you
52:42
anything you didn't already know.
52:43
Such a good gimmick. It was just again, the bell had
52:46
the ring and Sean O'Hare had his own problems.
52:50
You mentioned Mordecai. That didn't last long.
52:53
Yeah, they they there was always guys, especially against the and
52:56
then Mordecai was Kevin Thorne. So there's always those guys
52:59
like, OK, we need a guy that's like somewhat supernatural so we
53:02
can go up against the Undertaker.
53:05
That was always kind of that was always kind of thing there.
53:07
Before we get out of here, let's let's plug what's going on over
53:10
in Slatington this weekend. PPW Shadows Talk about spooky
53:15
shadows with a nice spooky logo. It's going to be our big show on
53:20
October 11th, the Slatington Expo Center.
53:23
You can see some things on ppwwrestling.com, YouTube at PPW
53:27
Entertainment. I got to start putting more
53:29
matches up there. I think sometimes we're going to
53:30
put that Tony Deppen VSK match from last month up there.
53:33
Phenomenal match, might put that Golden Ticket ladder match up
53:36
there and now that it's been on TV.
53:38
But this month is going to be a fun one.
53:39
We're going to have Karolina Cruz, former NXT star.
53:44
She's going to be an action against Gem Dio Bando, defending
53:47
the PPW heavyweight title against Chris Slade.
53:49
We've got a San Juan Street fight for the tag team titles
53:53
counter strike in Los Toxicos. It's going to be a fun night of
53:56
action as always. It's always a fun time at PPW
53:59
and we're going to have new shirts.
54:02
New shirts are coming out this month and I believe in November
54:04
or December we're going to have new cards, the new cards that is
54:06
going to be coming out. So lots of fun things happen in
54:10
the PPW land. And then on the 18th I will be
54:13
doing some ring announcing at New Era Pro Wrestling, so you
54:15
can come check us out at the Falcons Nest on the 18th, but
54:18
we'll post and talk about that more as it comes.
54:22
But from Hellfire and Brimstone to Cothic vampires and brain
54:26
melting puppets wrestling Spooky Side reminds us that the
54:30
business is just pure theater. A live action comic book full of
54:33
demons, angels, ghosts, mummies and somehow it all ends in a
54:37
small package Pin because. After you pull the guy's
54:42
underwear off. Yeah, after you pull the
54:43
underwear out. Because at the end of the day,
54:45
wrestling is is the only place on earth where a zombie can drop
54:48
kick a mayor and get it. Makes perfect sense.
54:52
So thank you guys so much for tuning in to the ABJ Podcast
54:55
Tornado tag with myself and BP. Burke, you know, time out, time
54:59
out. I just realized the the mayor of
55:01
Knox County once tombstoned the secretary of Education, that
55:07
that's the thing that happened, that that's that happened.
55:10
Yeah, that happened. That 100% happened.
55:14
Unreal. Yeah.
55:16
And he might be against it, but he I think he had some abortions
55:20
in his career at some point in time too.
55:23
Well, it wasn't that one guy's fault.
55:24
That's all I know. It wasn't his fault, it was
55:26
somebody else's. But yeah, but tornado tag is
55:30
something we'll we'll try to keep going on Thursday nights
55:32
for you guys. And it all really depends.
55:34
Sometimes we may be doing it in person, sometimes it may be
55:37
live, sometimes it may be a thing like we're not live this
55:40
week. And if we're not live, we're
55:41
probably filming for you guys to check out next week because we
55:44
might have some old faces come back.
55:46
I think we are going back to more topic based again.
55:48
Well, not thinking we are going back to more topic based again.
55:51
I got one very excited that we're going to do soon.
55:53
Yes, I I pulled up some photos for it already, but yeah.
55:57
And then we'll also, and like I said, I'll try to do more recent
56:01
modern day stuff, our current wrestling, but they'll be in the
56:04
form of like shorts and reels. So make sure you're following on
56:07
Instagram, TikTok, YouTube here. We'll we'll put them up on as
56:11
well, But that's going to do it for us and here at tornado tag.
56:14
We'll see you guys next time we're out of here.