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Popular DJ Kidnaps Tot? Hero Tries to Stop Him · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. That's probably a combination of
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  Speaker 1: adrenaline and probably a little bit of father on the
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  Speaker 1: instinct too. Adam Walker says it happened so fast. On Friday,
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  Speaker 1: Heat and his wife Sabrina were walking with their son
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  Speaker 1: Leo near seventeenth and Castro Streets when they passed a
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  Speaker 1: mother with her young son. Shortly after we walked by her,
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  Speaker 1: we heard her screaming, yelling for police for help, saying
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  Speaker 1: that someone had taken her child. But at least say
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  Speaker 1: thirty four year old Roscoe Holyoake grabbed the two year
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  Speaker 1: old child and started running, but suddenly stopped. He put
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  Speaker 1: the toddler down, and he smiled at everybody and then
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  Speaker 1: started sprinting. Without really thinking much about it, I just
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  Speaker 1: took off for an after him. Wow. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: being out with your toddler? How any times was I
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  Speaker 1: out and about with the twins at barely able to
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  Speaker 1: hold keep one in check and the other one would
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  Speaker 1: run away. I was constantly running with little Lucy under
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  Speaker 1: my arm like a football, chasing John David or vice versa.
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  Speaker 1: I actually practiced it. I would have to practice running
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  Speaker 1: with two twenty pound weights in my hands, just running
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  Speaker 1: as fast as I could, except the weights didn't wiggle
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  Speaker 1: the way the twins would. I mean, I see, Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine this mom out and about with her
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  Speaker 1: taught boy who's walking along beside her, is grabbed, grabbed
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  Speaker 1: as a guy walks by and picks the boy up,
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  Speaker 1: wraps his arms around the boy's rear end, throws a
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  Speaker 1: smile back at the mom and takes off, running out
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  Speaker 1: to John Linley, Crimelime dot Com investigative reporter, what happened,
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  Speaker 1: john Nie? According to witnesses, this mother and her toddler
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  Speaker 1: were walking hand in hand. And this is in the
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  Speaker 1: busy Castro district in San Francisco on a Friday. And okay,
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  Speaker 1: wait wait, wait wait wait, Now you know, John Linley,
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  Speaker 1: my sister lives out the Saratoga area. It's just absolutely
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  Speaker 1: breath day beautiful, no offense, Doctor Bethany Marshall. But it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's a different state from la. It's just gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: There's the redwood trees there, there's San Francisco Bay. It's
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  Speaker 1: like heaven on Earth. Now, explain to me. You said
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  Speaker 1: it's a very busy Castro area. What is that a
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  Speaker 1: tourist area? It is a very famous shopping area, a
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  Speaker 1: lots of shops, restaurants, cafes and such, old records stores
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  Speaker 1: and such. It's usually a diverse crowd of people there
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  Speaker 1: in the Castro district, and it's one of those destinations
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  Speaker 1: where when people go to San Francisco one of the places.
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  Speaker 1: Where is that in relation to Lombard Street? Is it
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  Speaker 1: even close? It is not too terribly the peer, not
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  Speaker 1: too terribly far away. I'm trying to think exactly in
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  Speaker 1: the way of blocks and miles hell far away that
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  Speaker 1: why was the mom there? Was she a tourist or
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  Speaker 1: was she just out walking with her or her baby?
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  Speaker 1: That part has not been revealed from police. We do
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  Speaker 1: also very interestingly, you were talking about training for running
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  Speaker 1: with the twins. This woman was doing double duty as well.
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  Speaker 1: She was also carrying an infant in a front pack
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  Speaker 1: while she was holding the hand her toddler. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: understand that she was pushing a stroller. She had one
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  Speaker 1: infant and like, I'm a baby, Bjorn, and you know
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  Speaker 1: the things that attached to you. That's the way I
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  Speaker 1: would carry the twins, and I mastered carrying both of
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  Speaker 1: them in two separate baby born's at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: And the little boy, the taught boy, was trailing along
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  Speaker 1: behind her, like following her or maybe holding her hand,
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  Speaker 1: and the mom was putting her mobile phone in her pocket,
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  Speaker 1: which I talk about, Jackie, Jackie, listen to this. Do
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  Speaker 1: not be distracted when you're out and about. Do not
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  Speaker 1: fumble with your cell phone. Now I'm not saying she
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  Speaker 1: was fumbled. She may have called somebody and was putting
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  Speaker 1: the phone away, and that's when everything happened. She was
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  Speaker 1: trying to put her cell phone back in her pocket
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  Speaker 1: and turns around and sees this PERV who turns out
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  Speaker 1: to be a very popular DJ, running off with her child. So,
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  Speaker 1: John Litley, what happens, Well, this man just suddenly appears.
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  Speaker 1: He begins tugging at the little boy, trying to get
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  Speaker 1: him out of her mother's arms. And unsurprisingly, as we've
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  Speaker 1: al already heard, the mother began to scream for help
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  Speaker 1: from police, from anyone. But no matter how long or
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  Speaker 1: how loudly she yelled or how tightly she held on
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  Speaker 1: to the boy, the man would not let go of
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  Speaker 1: her son, and he took off with the child and
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  Speaker 1: the little boy's mother chase the man, screaming her head off,
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  Speaker 1: and she's trying to chase him with the other baby
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  Speaker 1: strapped to her. Ah. And you know, guys, I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at a photo of who we think the suspect is.
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  Speaker 1: He looks like a millennial, not to stereotype. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: don't go off the deep end with me on this,
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  Speaker 1: but you know he's I guess some people would think
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  Speaker 1: he's Hampson handsome. I of course do not, because I
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  Speaker 1: know he's a potential suspect. He's got kind of light
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  Speaker 1: brown hair cropped close and his short hair cut the
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  Speaker 1: sides or look a little bit shay, but not totally
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  Speaker 1: up the side. He's got a well manicured beard close
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  Speaker 1: to his face, well manicured mustache, and he's in a
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  Speaker 1: pose like he's having a deep thought. He is a
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  Speaker 1: very popular DJ. So here imagine in this tourist area, crowded,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's helping her. The mom leaves a stroller and takes off,
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  Speaker 1: running through the crowd with a baby strapped to her.
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  Speaker 1: Enter the hero joining me right now, Adam Walker. Man,
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  Speaker 1: Am I glad we tracked you down, Adam Walker. I'm
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  Speaker 1: please to meet you over the airwaves. I hope to
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  Speaker 1: meet you in the flesh someday. I've got to hear
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. What happened. Yeah, so from from my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: I was just walking down the street with my wife
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  Speaker 1: and my four year old son. And is it true
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  Speaker 1: you're a dentist. I am a dentist. Yes, I'm never
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  Speaker 1: going to mock dentists again as long as I live, Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: as you are my witness. Well, it's out of fear.
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  Speaker 1: And the last time I went to the dentist, I
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  Speaker 1: was sitting there and he went, you know, as on
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  Speaker 1: one of your jury's right. I'm like, uh huh, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't actually, but now I remember it was a bank
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  Speaker 1: robbery and I actually had a convicted bank robber on
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  Speaker 1: the jury, unbeknownst to me. And as I was looking
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  Speaker 1: at him, I was wondering, was he the bank robbers
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  Speaker 1: slash dentist? He was not. Let me say, but guys,
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  Speaker 1: I have a hero dentist, which shatters all of our
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  Speaker 1: myths about dentist. Okay, back to you, Adam, Sorry, tell
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  Speaker 1: me the whole thing, no worries. So, so, yes, I
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  Speaker 1: was I was walking down the street with my wife
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  Speaker 1: and my four year old son, and uh, we turned
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  Speaker 1: the corner and as soon as we turned the corner,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing we noticed was this young mother. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she looked, she looked busy. She has her
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  Speaker 1: her infant child strapped to her chest. She was pushing
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  Speaker 1: an empty stroller while holding onto the hand of her
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  Speaker 1: her toddler and um. And shortly after we passed her, um,
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  Speaker 1: we kind of heard, you know, a scream for help. UM.
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  Speaker 1: You know, initially had started off as more of a
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  Speaker 1: you know, what are you doing? And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, we saw a man who who was walking
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  Speaker 1: very quickly by us, right next to us, holding onto
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  Speaker 1: that that little toddler and um. And as he was
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  Speaker 1: walking by, we noticed that the mom was still holding
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  Speaker 1: onto the toddler's arm. So so they kind of got
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  Speaker 1: into sort of a struggle kind of right in front
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  Speaker 1: of us. And a second later, he, uh, he set
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  Speaker 1: the toddler down and kind of looked in the general
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  Speaker 1: direction of where we were. You know, we were kind
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  Speaker 1: of in a crowd. There was a busy restaurant. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we were renting the sidewalk there. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were kind of looking at this point, and so you
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  Speaker 1: kind of looked at everyone, sort of gave this brief
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  Speaker 1: smile and then and then took off running. Okay, the
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  Speaker 1: smile is really bothering me. To doctor Bethany Marshall, I
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  Speaker 1: mean to look at this guy. I mean, okay, true,
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  Speaker 1: he is wearing a kind of a weird shirt with
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  Speaker 1: kind of a fake first dole over his shoulders in
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  Speaker 1: this other picture I'm looking at but if you just
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  Speaker 1: saw his head, you would think he looks kind of
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  Speaker 1: like a model actually, and he's a very popular DJ,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. The smile. You're running away with this
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  Speaker 1: lady's little boy, and you pause to flash a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars smile and everybody before you take off. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: think of child abduction as an of desperation fueled by perversion,
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  Speaker 1: a sexual frenzy, a wish to dominate and control the child.
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  Speaker 1: But in this case it seems also triumphant, like it's
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  Speaker 1: a triumphal smile, like he now he has the child,
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  Speaker 1: he has the goods. He feels that he has gained
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  Speaker 1: control in the upper hand in the situation, and so
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  Speaker 1: he smiled. This guy is enjoying this. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a dark, frenzied act. In his mind, this is the
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  Speaker 1: moment of joy. He has the pride and he's headed
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  Speaker 1: off with it. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace put the
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  Speaker 1: toddler down and he smiled at everybody and then started sprinting.
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  Speaker 1: Without really thinking much about it, I just took off
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  Speaker 1: for an after him. Walker chased the suspect for several blocks.
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  Speaker 1: Once the man saw that he was kind of corner,
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  Speaker 1: he just gave up, put his hands in the air,
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  Speaker 1: and at that point I went and grabbed him and
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  Speaker 1: you know, walked him over to the sidewalk. Neighbors called
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  Speaker 1: nine one one. Holio from East Victoria Park, Australia, was
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  Speaker 1: arrested on suspicion of kidnapping. Every parent's nightmare was a
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  Speaker 1: horrible situation, horrible neighbors reacted to the scary news. Sabrina
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  Speaker 1: is pretty proud of her brave husband. I'm so proud
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  Speaker 1: of him, and I just I'm happy that that person
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  Speaker 1: was caught, that no one was hurt. As a parent,
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  Speaker 1: Adam says he didn't think twice about chasing down the suspect.
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  Speaker 1: In that situation, you don't really think much about it.
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  Speaker 1: He just kind of act with your heart, not so
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  Speaker 1: much with your head. Right there in broad daylight, out
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  Speaker 1: and about with her, taught boy who's walking along beside
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  Speaker 1: her is grabbed, grabbed as a guy walks by and
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  Speaker 1: picks the boy up, wraps his arms around the boy's
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  Speaker 1: rear end, throws a smile back at the mom and
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  Speaker 1: takes off running. Stephen Lampley Detective. You can find him
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  Speaker 1: at Stephen Lampley dot com. With me. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: very well known California's psychoanalyst. You can find her at
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. John Limley Crime online dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Investigate every reporter in her Superstar to day. Adam Walker,
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  Speaker 1: a hero who chased on foot, this guy, this Roscoe
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  Speaker 1: Holyoake DJ Stephen Lampley. I keep saying broad daylight, like,
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  Speaker 1: crimes don't happen in broad daylight. They don't really as
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  Speaker 1: often as under the cover of darkness or in secret.
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  Speaker 1: You know a lot of crimes go down behind closed
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  Speaker 1: doors or in secret, and it takes a different kind
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  Speaker 1: of a mind to commit a crime and brought open daylight.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, Well, Nan see when you when you have
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  Speaker 1: a pedophile I spent a number of months working undercover
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  Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old girl when and you and
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  Speaker 1: I both know, or at least the studies show, depending
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  Speaker 1: on who you readophile pedophilia is not a condition that
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  Speaker 1: can be successfully treated. In the words, it's not something
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  Speaker 1: that will ever go away. As gentleman didn't care. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they typically don't care that they will do whatever necessary
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  Speaker 1: in order to satisfy their urges. Well to Adam Walker,
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  Speaker 1: our hero joining us today who takes off, leaves his
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  Speaker 1: own wife and child safe, I might add, and takes
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  Speaker 1: off when he sees this mom in distress with a
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  Speaker 1: baby strapped to her chest and a guy kidnapping her baby. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you a little bit about the alleged suspect,
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  Speaker 1: Roscoe Holyoke. Now, it's true he has no criminal record,
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  Speaker 1: but this is not the first time the highly popular
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  Speaker 1: DJ has run in to problems with the law. It
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  Speaker 1: has been reported that police responded to an incident the
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  Speaker 1: previous February where he was found at an apartment complex
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  Speaker 1: asking permission to play with a stranger's child. The police
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  Speaker 1: say they interviewed him and he had asked to come
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  Speaker 1: inside someone else's apartment to play with a baby. The
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  Speaker 1: resident refused to let him in, but then Holyoke remains
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  Speaker 1: outside the door, So I guess the mom mom wanted
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  Speaker 1: to know why holy wanted to see the baby. He
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  Speaker 1: made a comment of sorts that resulted in a group
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  Speaker 1: of neighbors chasing him down the street and restraining him
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  Speaker 1: until the cops get there. I wonder what in the
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  Speaker 1: hay he said for this to raise an alarm for
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  Speaker 1: this mom to scream and the neighbors start chasing him
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  Speaker 1: and restrain him. Now this is reportedly. Now we also
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  Speaker 1: know he was trying to advance his music career. He
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  Speaker 1: is known as DJ Roski, very well known DJ and
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  Speaker 1: in addition to djy he was trying to further his
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  Speaker 1: music career. So that's who we think the perp is.
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  Speaker 1: At a walker, You chased him, so you see this happening,
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  Speaker 1: What happens? What instinct kicked in? And what did you do?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's all a little bit of a blur,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everything that kind of led up to be
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  Speaker 1: taken off. But you know, shortly after he put the
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  Speaker 1: child down and and uh did that brief smile and
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  Speaker 1: took off running. Um. You know, people started saying hey, someone,
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  Speaker 1: someone get that guy, you know. And in my own mind,
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  Speaker 1: you know, pardon me, was thinking, well, you know, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't take the child, but also tried to take a child,
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  Speaker 1: and that guy doesn't deserve to be on the streets.
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  Speaker 1: So so a second one by, and I just took
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  Speaker 1: off running and chasing down the street a couple of
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  Speaker 1: blocks and and initially I thought I was running just
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  Speaker 1: by myself, but you know, once I got about halfway
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  Speaker 1: down the street, I realized there was another man running
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  Speaker 1: alongside me kind of more on the sidewalk. I was
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  Speaker 1: taken off, you know, right down the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: street where he was and uh. And so he took
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  Speaker 1: a left on the nearest cross street headed down that street.
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  Speaker 1: And as we were running, I started shouting out to
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  Speaker 1: people ahead of us, saying, hey, you know, this man
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  Speaker 1: tried to take a child. You know, let's let's stop him.
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  Speaker 1: And so it was at that point that the men
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  Speaker 1: at the towards the end of the street, once they
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  Speaker 1: had turned around and were engaged in the process. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mister Jolioke at that point, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of realized who was surrounded and uh, and he gave up,
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  Speaker 1: put his hands up in the air and uh and
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  Speaker 1: stopped running. And that's when I grabbed onto him and
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  Speaker 1: walked him over to the sidewalk and pushed him up
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  Speaker 1: against the side of the wall, you know, told him
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  Speaker 1: with his hands in the air and keep down on
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  Speaker 1: his knees, and we held him there until the police came.
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  Speaker 1: He put the toddler down, and he smiled at everybody
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  Speaker 1: and then started sprinting. Every parent's nightmare. It's a horrible situation.
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  Speaker 1: Horrible neighbors reacted to the scary news. Sabrina is pretty
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  Speaker 1: proud of her brave husband. I'm so proud of him,
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  Speaker 1: and I just I'm happy that that person was caught,
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  Speaker 1: that no one was hurt. Adam Walker is joining me
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  Speaker 1: all the way from Anchorage right now to tell a story.
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  Speaker 1: And Adam, as you were talking, I actually teared up
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  Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about all the child molestation cases that
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  Speaker 1: I prosecuted and have covered and those people's lives. Adam
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  Speaker 1: will never ever be the same. Yes, they'll go back
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  Speaker 1: into society, they'll go about their life as if normal,
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  Speaker 1: but it sticks with you the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 1: You're never the same. I often compare it to like
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  Speaker 1: breaking your arm and you never get it set and
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  Speaker 1: you go on. You can go on and flip a
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  Speaker 1: pancake even one day, but your arm will always hurt
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  Speaker 1: and nothing will ever be the same for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of your life. And I'm comparing that with statistics that
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  Speaker 1: I know to be true that every time a pedophile
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  Speaker 1: is caught, he is typically a male has acted has
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  Speaker 1: molested so many many times before, for every single time
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  Speaker 1: that they're caught. I mean, Adam, you're just you know,
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  Speaker 1: rattling your story off like it's nothing. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: please tell him about the statistics about how pedophilia cannot
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  Speaker 1: be cured and stopping this guy may have saved how
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  Speaker 1: many children from a lifetime of hurt. Well, these statistics
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  Speaker 1: are incredible, Nancy. There was one very important prison survey
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  Speaker 1: where they actually interviewed incarcerated pedophiles and learned that on average,
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  Speaker 1: these men had perpetrated against children for seventeen years before
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  Speaker 1: they were incarcerated. And then a follow up study showed
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  Speaker 1: that when these men were released from prison, they were
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  Speaker 1: angrier and even more ready to offend than before. And
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  Speaker 1: another study showed doctor Bethany, before I lose the thought
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  Speaker 1: and you hold onto your thought, and I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: you pick up. This is my anecdotal observation which makes
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  Speaker 1: Adam walk Or even more of a hero to me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink like you, and I don't have
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  Speaker 1: statistics like Steve Lamb player John Lemley. But I recall
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  Speaker 1: every time I would prosecute a child lest station, I
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  Speaker 1: would uncover history of at least three, two, eighteen or
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  Speaker 1: nineteen previous attacks on children. Roscoe holiok he's not charged
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  Speaker 1: with pedophilia. He's not charged with that. He's not charged
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  Speaker 1: with listation. Okay. He is charged with felonies regarding kidnapping
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  Speaker 1: a little child, A taught boy from the mom, and
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  Speaker 1: he did have that incident where he tried to play
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  Speaker 1: in someone's home with an infant that he didn't know
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Chased him and held him to restrained
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  Speaker 1: until cops got there. But I'm thinking just Any dotally,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, about all the times, practically every time I
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  Speaker 1: had a child listation case that I prosecuted, there were
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  Speaker 1: what we call similar transactions to bring in front of
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  Speaker 1: the jury. And those are the ones that just I
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  Speaker 1: just had time to find in my very very hectic
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  Speaker 1: trial preparation, So how many more are there that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know about? The first stat I ever read was
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  Speaker 1: so startling to me. Male offenders who offend against little
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  Speaker 1: boys offend on average five hundred and forty four times
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  Speaker 1: over the course of the lifespan. Five hundred and forty
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  Speaker 1: four times. Right, that was the first stat I ever read.
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  Speaker 1: These are men molesting the play that one more time. Please.
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  Speaker 1: Male offenders who molest boys, where where boys are their
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  Speaker 1: preferred victims? Offend on average five hundred and forty four
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  Speaker 1: times over the course of a lifespan. And now sometimes
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  Speaker 1: this is the same victim repeatedly. Sometimes it's different victims.
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  Speaker 1: So you may have five hundred and forty four incidences
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  Speaker 1: of molesting a child, but maybe you have three hundred victims. Now, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: that is what we call an extra familial offender, meaning
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  Speaker 1: they pick random victims. Interestmarial offenders people who molest their
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  Speaker 1: own children, their own relatives haven't even higher offense rate
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  Speaker 1: because they have more access to the victims, So the
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  Speaker 1: stats there are even scarier. I once had a couple
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  Speaker 1: come to my office for therapy. They were like a
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  Speaker 1: grandma grandpa age. They were in their late seventies, and
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  Speaker 1: the first three months were awkward. I couldn't figure out
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  Speaker 1: why they were in a couple of therapy. There was
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  Speaker 1: like no rhyme or reason. There was no pattern, clinical
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  Speaker 1: pattern that followed any pattern that I recognized. And they
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  Speaker 1: asked me to speak to their adult son, and the
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  Speaker 1: sun said, you don't know why they've come to therapy,
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  Speaker 1: do you? And I said no. He said, my dad
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  Speaker 1: molested my little girl. And I said that if they
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  Speaker 1: didn't go to therapy, I'd have to report them. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm gonna have to report him today.
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  Speaker 1: The last time I saw that couple, they got a lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: never saw them again, reported them to Child Protective Services.
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  Speaker 1: But throughout the course of the brief time I saw them,
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  Speaker 1: they were constantly talking about children. They were obsessed. But
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  Speaker 1: they went to therapy to try to get out of
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  Speaker 1: a crime and instead of it landed them bright and
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  Speaker 1: hot water. So Adam Walker, um hero identist. You chase
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  Speaker 1: the guy and when you catch him, what does he do?
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  Speaker 1: You know he gave up without a struggle. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there was you know, as I was approaching him, I
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  Speaker 1: was wondering, you know, what's what's going to happen once
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  Speaker 1: I catch him. You know, I had noticed that his
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  Speaker 1: fists were kind of clenched together. I wasn't certain if
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  Speaker 1: he had anything in his hands or not. Um, But luckily,
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  Speaker 1: once I got to about arm's reach, he he totally
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  Speaker 1: gave up so um. So he obeyed my commands, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when I when I told him they get against the
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  Speaker 1: wall and get on his knees. He followed the commands.
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  Speaker 1: And how did you know how to do that? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they teach that a didental school, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they definitely don't teach that in dental school. And I
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  Speaker 1: was just thinking from the you know, a point of
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  Speaker 1: reference that, you know, if he was just trying to
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  Speaker 1: take a rest, because we were all pretty winded by
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  Speaker 1: the time we got him. I just wanted to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that I get as much of an advantage as
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  Speaker 1: I can if he just decided to try to get
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  Speaker 1: up and start running again. So I figured, hey, get
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  Speaker 1: off your feet and let me see what's in your hands,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll probably be safe. Let me ask you, this
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  Speaker 1: Adam Walker joining us, Adam, can you remember anything going
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  Speaker 1: through your mind as you were chasing this guy? Not
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: initially Initially, I just was trying to run the stats
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: as I could to catch him. But it wasn't until
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I started getting closer and realized that I was going
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to catch him that I started thinking, Hey, I wonder
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen once I do. But that initial
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: instinct was just to go get them. Adam. It's interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me that you you turned the corner, You've got
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  Speaker 1: your wife and your four year old child with you,
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  Speaker 1: and you hear people going saying, hey, somebody catch him.
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  Speaker 1: Well somebody turned out to be you. All these people
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  Speaker 1: standing around doing nothing, but you are the one to
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  Speaker 1: take off running. Why you what clicked in your mind? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'd definitely attribute it, at least partially to the fatherly instinct.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I think back, you know, if it was
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  Speaker 1: if I was not present in that situation. I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was just doing what I would hope
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  Speaker 1: any other april bodied person would do if it were
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  Speaker 1: my child, and that wasn't there. Listen to this. I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: think it was great that they decided to help. Is
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: very dangerous. Investigators are looking into Holyoak, whose Facebook page
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: shows he works as a DJ known as DJ Roski.
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  Speaker 1: No we're yet on his background or time in the US,
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  Speaker 1: but he is jailed on a half million dollars bail
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  Speaker 1: for attempted kidnapping. But we don't know what started is
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: why he trded to grab the child. So I'm trying
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to figure out some of the details. Now we should
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: learn more about Roscoe Holyoake in the coming days. He
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: was carrying a backpack. Police have not said what was
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in it now. Adam Walker said when he caught up
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  Speaker 1: with Holyoake and saw that his fists were clenched, he
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: who wondered what would happen, But as he said, he
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: gave up with no struggle crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: I think back, you know, if it was if I
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  Speaker 1: was not present in that situation. I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just doing what I would hope any other
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  Speaker 1: able bodied person would do if it were my child,
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  Speaker 1: and that wasn't there. I'm just trying to take in well,
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  Speaker 1: you just said, you know, Adam, sadly, most people don't
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  Speaker 1: think that way, most people don't act, but you did.
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  Speaker 1: Thank God. Right there in broad daylight, a guy walks
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  Speaker 1: by and picks the boy up, wraps his arms around
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  Speaker 1: the boy's rear end, throws a smile back at the
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  Speaker 1: mom and takes off running. Sadly, most people don't act,
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  Speaker 1: but you did, thank God. So how did the police
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  Speaker 1: get there and what happened when they did? They got
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  Speaker 1: there within maybe maybe two or three minutes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: very very quickly. And so you know, again, when I
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  Speaker 1: was holding the man, I was just so focused on
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  Speaker 1: all my attention was just holding him there and not
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: letting him get up, and you know, being prepared in
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: case anything happened. So I didn't see, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: a direction they came from or anything like that. I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: just felt a tap on my shoulder once there, right,
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  Speaker 1: and said, okay, we got up from here, and I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: stepped aside and and they pursued to cuff them. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know, John Limley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: wants in because he wants to talk about motive. John Limley,
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  Speaker 1: you do know the state doesn't have to prove motive.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to crawl on this guy's head and
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: figure out why he wanted to go in and play
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  Speaker 1: with an infant he didn't know in somebody's home allegedly,
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  Speaker 1: or why he grabbed his child away from the mom
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  Speaker 1: and took off, try to take off running, but go ahead,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: go ahead, I'll amuse you tell me about motive. Well,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: DJ Holyoak really has not provided any at least public explanation.
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  Speaker 1: Because he is out there on social media, he has
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  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to say something. He just has not
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  Speaker 1: even tried to explain his bizarre behavior or motive for
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: his actions. Now, during his court appearance, his first court appearance,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he just kept his head down. He didn't say anything,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: didn't speak to the judge after she read the charges
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  Speaker 1: against him. During his five minute court appearance. That's all
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  Speaker 1: there was to it. Bail was set at five hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars and the issue and the judge issued a
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  Speaker 1: restraining order mandating that Holyoake not go within one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty yards of the victim or the mother. Now
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: we did hear through Australia's Channel nine News. They spoke
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  Speaker 1: with Holyoake's public defender, Steve Olmo, as he's trying to
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  Speaker 1: defend his client. Almo gave several possible explanations for his
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  Speaker 1: client's arrest. Over zealous police work, mistaken identity, wrong place,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: wrong time, wrong color. Almo added that Holyoake was in
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  Speaker 1: town for business at the time of this incident, had
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  Speaker 1: no previous criminal history. Adam Walker, the hero who chases
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  Speaker 1: this guy down Adam, Yeah, any doubt in your mind
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  Speaker 1: that the guy you were chasing and held until police
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  Speaker 1: got there is the guy that grabbed the two year
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  Speaker 1: old little boy. I have no doubt in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: He definitely didn't leave my sight. And and if if
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't the guy, he would have a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: more questions for me when I was holding me against
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  Speaker 1: the wall. So I have no doubt my mind. Yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you're right, like, why are you holding me against the
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  Speaker 1: wall and making me get on my knees. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he held his hands up in the air and went, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you got me. I'm done. So what do you make
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  Speaker 1: of that? Hearing the defense claiming that's the wrong guy,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: wrong place, wrong time, blah blah blast second verse, same
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  Speaker 1: as the first, Adam Walker, Yeah, you know, and that
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  Speaker 1: definitely is not the case. I know for a fact
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  Speaker 1: that the demand that was holding the child was the
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  Speaker 1: man that I was holding against the wall. Take a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: listen to our friends, our friend Charles Croucher at nine
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: knees Australian DJ Roscoe Bradley Holyoak remains behind bars here
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  Speaker 1: in San Francisco's Hall of Justice after a brief appearance
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  Speaker 1: this afternoon. He kept his head down. He was wearing
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  Speaker 1: orange prison issue attire and didn't look at the judge
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  Speaker 1: in the eye as she read the charges against him.
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  Speaker 1: There are two. One is of kidnapping, one is child endangerment.
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  Speaker 1: They are both considered felonies here in San Francisco, and
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  Speaker 1: both carry with them years in jail as a potential punishment.
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  Speaker 1: Police say the Australian DJ, who is big in the
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  Speaker 1: Perth club scene, attempted to snatch a toddler who was
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  Speaker 1: walking with his mother in a busy area of San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco on Friday in broad daylight. A scuffle ensured. The
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  Speaker 1: Australian attempted to flee the scene, but was chased down
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  Speaker 1: by bystanders. They made at citizens arrests at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: What isn't clear is any kind of motive for this
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  Speaker 1: attack or what the defense will be for mister Holyoak,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I asked his lawyer outside of court. Or razalous police worry,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: mistaken identity, Ryan plays wrong time, run lots of clients,
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  Speaker 1: a darker persuasion. I don't see cameras out here when
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: they're arrested, So take a pick of those excuses from
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the lawyer. What is clear, though, is that mister Holyoake
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: has been retained behind bars, always set at half a
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  Speaker 1: million dollars. He's also been ordered not to go anywhere
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  Speaker 1: near these alleged victims. He'll reappear here in court in
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: San Francisco in the coming days. Well, I kind of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: thought Litlin was kidding when he spit out all of
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: those various defenses at once, but it sounds like that's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: for real. Take a listen to this. For most a
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: week after Australian Roscoe Holyoake was arrested, still no clearer
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  Speaker 1: as to why the DJ swapped the club for the courthouse.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I think there is just a break with no evil intent.
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  Speaker 1: It makes no sense for the man that I've gotten
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  Speaker 1: to know over two days. The thirty four year old
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  Speaker 1: pleading not guilty to kidnapping and child endangerment after police
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  Speaker 1: say he attempted to steal a toddler in broad daylight
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  Speaker 1: just kind of a mental disengagement with reality. Did he
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: attempt to take a chance. No. Holyoak's defense will rely
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  Speaker 1: on character dismissing an incident in Sydney that led to
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales police questioning the Perth based DJ. There
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: was a dispute between neighbors he was visiting in the area,
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  Speaker 1: loud noise, baby crying and an escalator between him and
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  Speaker 1: one of the parents. The Australian consulate he's aware of
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the case. Holyoak's friends rallying to his defense, parking are
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: these people Australia running up? Just a shot? This is
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: not the man everyone knows. Mister Holyoake kept his head
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  Speaker 1: down the entire time in court, He had to be
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: prompted to speak to the judge and held in his
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: hand letters of support from Perth. But witnesses and prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: say the evidence against the Australian is overwhelming. We charge
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  Speaker 1: cases based on the evidence and based on the investigation.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: In the evidence that we have, we feel as though
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the charges are wholly appropriate to Adam Walker. When you
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: look back on it, would you do it again? Um?
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  Speaker 1: You know absolutely? I mean, in that in that moment,
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  Speaker 1: what that happens, and there's you know, a mother pleaning
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  Speaker 1: for help. Um you can't help but think you that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the same way? I mean, obviously in retrospect, thinking back,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I definitely feel very fortunate, lucky that things
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: turned out the way that they did, because things could
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: have been very, very different. It could have had a
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: very different ending. And luckily you know ed one was safe.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: But but in that instance, you know, something like that
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: happens and someone needs needs help, and especially in the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: case where someone did something to that that extreme and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they need to be off the streets. And yeah, absolutely
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I would do it again in a heartbeat. Well, you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: know what, I hope you stay strong in your convictions,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: because in the last hour, this guy, Roscoe Bradley Holyoake,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: has pled not guilty to follow the kidnapping and child
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: endangerment charges in front of San Francisco Superior Court Judge
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Vedica Pury. Long story short, looks like you're going to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: be a state's chief witness at trial. We wait as
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: justice unfals Nancy Grace crime story signing off