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- Lucas: Welcome back to Fexingo History. I'm Lucas, and as always, I'm here with Luna. Today, we're picking up our series on Marcus Aurelius with a topic I think is really fascinating — and maybe a little unexpected for a Stoic emperor. We're talking about dreams. Luna: Dreams? Like, the ones you have at night? Lucas: Exactly. The Romans took dreams very seriously, and Marcus Aurelius was no exception. The Historia Augusta, that somewhat unreliable collection of imperial biographies, records several dreams that Marcus had or that were reported about him. And these aren't just curiosities — they tell us something about how Marcus navigated the line between Stoic rationality and the popular religious culture of his time. Lucas: One of the most famous stories comes from when Marcus was still a young man, before he became emperor. The Historia Augusta says that while he was sleeping, he dreamed he had ivory shoulders — and when he woke up, he found that his actual shoulders were stronger. That might sound odd to us, but in Roman dream interpretation, ivory often symbolized something lasting and strong. Luna: Wait — so people actually believed dreams could predict the future or give you physical strength? Lucas: Many did. The second century AD was a golden age for dream interpretation. There was a professional dream interpreter named Artemidorus — he wrote a five-volume work called the Oneirocritica, or The Interpretation of Dreams. It's the only complete dream manual to survive from antiquity, and it gives us a window into how people like Marcus might have understood their dreams. Lucas: Artemidorus classified dreams into two types: the oneiroi, which he thought could predict the future, and the enhypnia, which were just reflections of daily life. He also distinguished between dreams that were direct prophecies and those that needed interpretation through symbols. Luna: So Marcus would have been familiar with these ideas. Lucas: Absolutely. And there's another dream recorded in the Historia Augusta that's even more dramatic. It says that before Marcus became emperor, he dreamed that he had hands of ivory — and then, when he actually became emperor, he dreamed that his hands turned to iron. Some interpreters saw that as meaning his reign would be strong but also harsh, especially during the Marcomannic Wars. Lucas: But the most politically significant dream concerns the usurper Avidius Cassius. In 175 AD, while Marcus was fighting on the Danube, he got word that Avidius Cassius, a trusted general, had declared himself emperor in the East. The Historia Augusta says that Marcus had a dream beforehand in which he saw Cassius killed — and indeed, Cassius was assassinated by his own soldiers shortly after. Luna: That must have reinforced Marcus's belief in divine providence. Lucas: It likely did. Marcus was a Stoic, and Stoics had a complex relationship with divination. On one hand, they believed the universe was governed by a rational principle — logos — and that everything happened according to fate. On the other hand, they thought that the gods might communicate with humans through signs, including dreams. The early Stoics, like Chrysippus, wrote extensively on divination and defended it as a valid way of knowing the future. Lucas: Cicero, who was heavily influenced by Stoicism, wrote a dialogue called On Divination. In it, he has his brother Quintus argue that divination is real, citing examples of prophetic dreams and oracles. But Cicero himself, in the second book, expresses skepticism — he questions whether dreams are really messages from the gods or just random byproducts of the mind. Luna: So where did Marcus stand on that debate? Lucas: That's a great question, and it's not entirely clear. In his Meditations, he doesn't talk about dreams very often. But there's one passage where he says, 'If the gods have made decisions about me, then it is fitting that I obey them. If they have made no decisions, then it is up to me to make decisions about myself.' That suggests he was open to the idea that the gods might guide him, but he wasn't going to be paralyzed by uncertainty. Lucas: There's also a story about Marcus's grandfather — or rather, his great-grandfather — Annius Verus. According to the Historia Augusta, Annius Verus dreamed that his son, Marcus's father, would become emperor. But Marcus's father died young, and it was Marcus himself who became emperor. So the dream was seen as coming true in a different way. Luna: That sounds like the kind of retroactive interpretation that's common in ancient biographies. Lucas: Exactly. The Historia Augusta was written much later, in the late fourth century, and it often includes dreams as a way to foreshadow events. But that doesn't mean the stories are invented wholesale — dreams were a real part of how Romans understood their lives. Even a philosopher-emperor like Marcus would have been aware of the cultural importance of dreams. Lucas: We also have to remember that Marcus was a deeply religious man. He participated in traditional Roman cults, and he even consulted the oracle at Dodona in Greece. So while he was a Stoic, he wasn't a purely rationalist atheist. He believed in the gods, and he believed they could communicate with humans. Luna: So dreams were part of that communication. Lucas: Right. And there's another layer here: the Stoic concept of pneuma, or 'breath' — a kind of divine fire that permeates the universe. Some Stoics thought that during sleep, the soul was more open to influences from the divine pneuma, which is why dreams could be prophetic. Marcus would have been aware of this theory, even if he didn't fully endorse it. Lucas: But I think the most interesting angle is how dreams fit into Marcus's Stoic practice. The Meditations are full of exercises in self-awareness and attention to the present moment. Dreams, in a way, were another domain where you could practice mindfulness — not just in waking life, but even in sleep. Luna: Did later Stoics like Epictetus have anything to say about dreams? Lucas: Yes, Epictetus talked about dreams in his Discourses. He said that if you have a dream that tempts you to do something wrong, you should wake up and say, 'I was dreaming, but I will not act on it.' For Epictetus, dreams were a test of your character — even in sleep, your rational mind should be vigilant. Lucas: So for Marcus, paying attention to dreams might have been a way to stay connected to the divine order. But he also knew not to become superstitious. In the Meditations, he writes, 'Everything is as opinion makes it.' That could apply to dreams too — what matters is how you interpret them, not whether they're literally true. Luna: It seems like Marcus walked a fine line between philosophy and folk belief. Lucas: He did. And that's part of what makes him so human. He wasn't a cold rationalist — he was a man trying to live a virtuous life in a world full of uncertainty. Dreams were one of the ways he tried to make sense of that uncertainty. And I think that's something we can still relate to today. Lucas: To wrap up, let me leave you with a question: if you had a dream that seemed to predict the future, would you change your behavior based on it? Marcus might say: consider it, but don't let it override your reason. The gods give signs, but they also gave you a rational mind to interpret them.