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Sorana on Writing for KATSEYE, Charli XCX, ILLIT & Leaving a Major Label | Delulu with Ryan Lu #402 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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  That's my that's actually my favorite.
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  Charlie can believe I have a Charlie XCX cut.
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  Can you believe that? I was dropped in 2022 and that
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  was like the best thing that ever happened.
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  So when you did Pinky Up, you didn't know it was going.
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  To no. So basically no, no, we didn't
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  know. We wrote it in 2024.
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  Oh shit, you just wrote it. Yeah, we just wrote it.
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  That's. So exciting.
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  That's their highest charting single.
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  Hello Delulu's and welcome back to another episode a Delulu and
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  a very special welcome to our supernova pop star guest
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  Serrana. She is pioneering her own lane
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  in pop music with her unique style and sound.
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  And y'all, you can already see it.
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  Her hair literally glows. It glows in the dark, it glows
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  in the light, and it is glowing. And beyond being an incredible,
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  unique artist, she's also an incredibly successful
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  songwriter, writing songs for Charlie XCX, Jenny, The
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  Chainsmokers, Jason Derülo, Cat's Eye, The list literally
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  goes on. Welcome to Tallulah, I'm so
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  happy to have you. Thanks for having me, Ryan.
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  I'm so excited to be here. I'm.
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  So excited to chat with you. We literally just key keyed for
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  like an hour before this. I know it was the best.
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  And I was like fuck, we need to be saving this for the show.
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  I guess we talked everything already.
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  I was listening to skin care and these corporate bitches are
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  trying to kill me. That's the thing about that one
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  too. 1 mouthful of a title but then two it's just like, no,
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  they really are. Like no.
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  They're really trying to kill y'all.
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  They really are. I was telling Charlie before the
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  show started and I was like no I completely agree with you.
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  I don't think verse 2 needs to be the same as verse one.
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  And I. Think that's so meta that you
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  said that in verse 2, you started verse 2.
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  Oh my God, I have a song called I can't.
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  And in it I said I don't care that I don't have every little
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  perfect syllable rhyming. Like it's just like, because I
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  was like doing so many sessions and I was working with so many
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  different people and they were like giving me so many rules and
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  I was like, Oh my God, I just want to write exactly.
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  Fuck the rules. Who?
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  Says second verse needs to be the same as the first and I.
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  Like, and I deviated. That's clever.
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  I just think all your music in general is super clever.
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  But we can get back to Skin Care.
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  So Skin Care is your current single and this is the second
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  song. These corporate fish Days are
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  Trying to Kill me. That's also on the album.
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  Yes, it's the first record I dropped and it kind of like
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  marks like my full separation from, with my artist project
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  from, you know, the corporate label system, 'cause you know, I
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  I became independent and then I kind of had all these songs that
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  I didn't get to release when I was signed.
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  I was coming up with like my light up hair and my changing my
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  direction. Can you?
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  Release them now at all. Can you release those songs at
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  all? Well, I did on technosexual.
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  And. Technosexual.
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  Even more sexual. They were like kind of, I was
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  like doing new stuff and I was releasing.
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  I, I put together songs I did during like my label time and I
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  was kind of, I wanted to drop everything to just see how I
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  feel about them 'cause, you know, I feel like if a song is
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  in your computer, you don't really know if you love it or
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  not. Oh, interesting.
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  I only love. I only know if I love a song
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  when I drop it. And what if you drop it and you
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  end up being like oh I hate this.
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  I it happened. And then what happens then you
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  just live. With it I just like ignore it.
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  Really it's. Not there.
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  You're like, I guess I'm like, no.
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  No, no, no, no one. Listen to that one.
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  Interesting. That's crazy.
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  OK, wait, that's super interesting.
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  How? About you, do you think?
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  Like, yeah, do you know, like which songs of yours you love
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  before you drop them? So unclear to me.
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  I don't know, like I do, I feel like I know and I feel like I
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  love them and like I won't cut a song unless I know I love it or
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  it's going to make my album. Like I'll make demos and I'll be
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  like, I, I pretty much know from the first session if I'm going
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  to go with it or not, you know what I mean?
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  And then like, I haven't put anything out yet, but like all
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  the songs I have right now, I'm like, I know, I love and I'm
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  excited to put them out. So like, yeah, that's that's
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  why. That's interesting.
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  I've never heard anyone say that.
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  Before, I guess that was like during the time because
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  basically everything is delayed in a big in a major label
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  system. If you're not, if you're not
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  like, I don't know, like Gaga or like a big artist, you know,
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  then like things are fast tracked.
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  But if you're like a new artist, there's a lot of delays.
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  So basically the song that I got that got me signed was called
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  Karaoke and I wrote it in 2018. I ended up releasing it in 2022.
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  So there was like. Did you still love it like 4?
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  Years later, no, I hated it. I really did.
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  I was like, I don't like want to go on TikTok and post with this
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  song because totally I'm not in that headspace anymore.
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  Yeah, it was years ago. Where I oh.
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  My God. Yeah, where?
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  I love that song. Yeah.
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  I don't like. Yeah, I don't.
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  I'm not. I mean.
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  You don't relate to it anymore and like it was so long ago too.
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  Wait, so they wanted you to put that one out?
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  Yes. So that was the song that I that
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  got me signed. And at the time I was like
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  writing all these like big pop songs.
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  I kind of, it wasn't intentionally ballady, but it
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  became ballady because I didn't love any of the productions
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  really. So I was like, always doing
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  piano demos, yeah. So it ended up being 'cause you
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  know when you write on piano, like the songs are very
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  different than if you write on honestly on a beat a. 100%
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  Bonnie McKee said that she said if you start on a piano she
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  tries to avoid that because she said it ends up becoming
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  ballady. I agree.
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  Yeah, I agree totally. Or if you pick up a guitar like
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  you, the song will be way different.
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  Like yeah, it can feel. More acoustic.
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  Exactly. I think like starting 'cause I
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  really like analog when it comes to like music and making music.
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  Like I like artificial sounds. I like when things feel like
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  very electronic. It's very like manufactured.
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  And I feel like if it starts like that, then it's easy for me
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  to stay in that headspace to write to it versus like, if it
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  starts more acoustic, then it's like, and I'm like, OK, this is
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  an acoustic song, you know? Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. So wait, you're I?
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  Forgot where we started, I was. Talking about skin care, but
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  we're getting so into it, I. Feel like we can like talk for
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  hours. I I want to.
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  We'll never finish. I want to wait.
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  How was your experience at Atlantic then?
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  How long were you signed there for?
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  I was signed there for. So basically, yeah, my, the NR
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  designed me. I love him a lot.
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  He's like, his name is Mike Karen.
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  I don't know if you know about him.
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  He's like still my publisher. He signed me and brought me to
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  LA from London. And he was basically like the
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  first person that gave me like a real chance here.
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  And I signed him in 2019. And then at the end of 2020, I
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  was like in development. I was like writing the songs
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  during that time, whatever. And then I moved to Atlantic.
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  All his artists, like Ava Max, like Charlie Puth, everyone
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  moved to Atlantic. Yeah, Yeah.
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  And basically my team changed and I haven't had any, like,
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  songs released at the time. So that was kind of tough to
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  adjust because I signed someone and then I was thrown in a huge
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  label like. That's a major, yeah, for sure.
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  I was, when I moved here, I kind of started having these ideas of
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  like having light up hair. I was like always going through
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  all these like hairstyles. I, I never picked 1 and and then
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  I thought about this and I was like, okay, like I have these
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  ballot songs. But now I'm thinking like I
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  wanna make be electronic and like I've always felt like I'm a
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  robot and I don't know why I've always felt like I'm a robot.
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  Oh my God. Because I'm like I'm invincible.
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  I can do anything. I love that, yeah.
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  Like, I'm iron, yeah. I never get sick.
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  I always like kind of manifest like, yeah, these things like
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  like being powerful, yes. And.
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  I mean, your entire look is power.
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  I know it's like I'm trying to manifest living forever.
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  Oh, you're gonna live forever. Yeah.
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  I feel like I honestly always say this.
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  I say this about myself, but I, I also think in general, like, I
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  think artists are going to live forever because like the music
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  we make are going to live beyond us.
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  You know the words we write, the things that we do true.
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  Yeah, but I do think there's a chance.
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  Spill. That we can actually live a lot.
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  Do you want to live a lot? I really do.
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  Interesting. Because you know, you can always
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  unplug yourself. You don't want to be here
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  anymore. I guess, you know, like you're
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  not forced, but I guess you'll be so nice to be to be able to
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  experience like, I don't know, like even now, how exciting is
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  the future, right? AI is coming.
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  Like, yeah, it's probably going to figure out a lot of things
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  that we don't know yet, like. Yeah, and you want to be around
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  to explore that? Yeah, maybe we'll go to other
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  planets. Like maybe I want to have
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  another job, you know? Maybe I want to like, yeah, be a
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  fashion designer. Maybe I want to be an architect?
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  I mean, to be honest, you could do it all.
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  I know like yeah, but see if we have like 400 years to live then
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  could be like you. Like the idea of having time to
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  be able to like explore everything, OK.
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  I like that concept because like, I feel like for me, like
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  life is so exhausting. I love life.
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  I love doing this, but like, it's so tiring.
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  Like I can't imagine doing it forever.
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  I mean, I hope I do it forever. See, like, yeah, I feel like you
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  always like find energy like if you want to, I guess that's.
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  True. I guess I'm from Eastern Europe
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  and I guess in it's very different than here.
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  Like life is hard. You know, like my country used
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  to be communist and like, you know, like my parents and my
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  grandparents are like, more yeah.
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  Oh, life is hard. You need to like it.
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  It's not a mentality of like positive, you know, work hard
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  and not get anything out of it. It's kind of that mentality.
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  And I just like, don't like that.
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  Yeah, I don't like that either. And I guess I always want to
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  change that about, you know, my, you know, because like you're
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  born in, if you're born in that kind of headspace, then you kind
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  of like take it wherever you go. And I was like.
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  I need to change. My reality, and I'm talking
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  about this in one of my songs that's on my album about like,
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  you know, like you can like reality is a construct and you
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  can like literally like change, tweak it until it's great.
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  You know you can tweak your life until it's great.
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  Yes, absolutely. You're like super into
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  manifestation. Yes, yes, I could tell.
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  I've always been since I was little, since before I knew.
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  Yeah. Did you know you always wanted
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  to be a pop star? Yes, always.
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  I was like 3 and I was like praying on my red chair to God.
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  I was like why am I in Romania? I was like please take me to
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  America and I was telling my mom I want to be in America, which.
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  Is like God through. God, yeah.
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  I don't know, I feel. Like she brought you here?
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  I feel like God is real. Yeah, for sure.
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  OK, Clock. I've always been praying but I
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  don't know what that means. I feel like it's kind of a form
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  of manifestation for me. Me too.
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  Yeah, and I do it before I go to bed and I say, like the prayer
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  that I learned as a child every fucking night.
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  Really. And it's more like kind of
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  locking into what I want, what I want to change.
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  What it was. That's how I pray too.
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  Yeah. We're actually like super
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  similar. I love.
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  Oh my God, look at us like glowing pop stars.
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  Yes, with great nails. Oh my God, wait a moment for the
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  nails. I have pop store nails on right
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  now. We'll all find out eventually.
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  The best. I love yours.
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  Yeah, thanks. Can you explain them?
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  So we have claws on this one. Claws on this one to slay the
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  enemies. The enemies I got a list.
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  And then this one's, you know, my working hand or my gay hand.
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  There you go. I was like, I was like, I'm
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  going to promise you what what specifically is about this hand?
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  The way about this one. Yeah, the gay hand.
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  No, it's just the working hand. The working hand, the working
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  hand, OK, I love all that we do need to talk about the hair so
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  obviously it's glowing. This is so unique and she's.
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  Glowing. She's everything.
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  And she hurts. She's heavy.
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  Oh my God, you're committing. 24 lbs.
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  Do you perform with the hair? So I perform.
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  I perform with this one like maybe like two times and all I
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  can do is like whip my hair like this.
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  I know you were trying to pinky up earlier and you're like, I
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  can't do. I kind of pinky up a bit.
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  You pinky up a bit. There you go.
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  I just have to move with my whole body.
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  I can't just move my head, so my movements are limited.
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  I perform it with it twice. Yeah, it kind of gets heavy so
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  my hair hurts and I need to pop advils every time I wear this
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  hair. You're committed to it, though.
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  I like that. That's good.
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  So you knew because I remember I heard you say this before.
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  You said like when you were a child, you knew you had to have
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  a distinctive look and the branding and image.
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  You're aware of that, even like as a little girl.
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  Yes, like, you know, like how it's like hair theory, like all
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  pop stars have like unique hair and a lot.
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  I. Was thinking about this when I
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  was little. I was like, I need to figure out
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  what my hair is That's so crazy. And I made my oh like a wig when
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  I was like 7 from yarn. Yeah.
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  From orange yarn. And I was like, like.
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  Their original hair. Yeah.
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  Yeah. And then now you know, like
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  going into when you when you got signed to the label, you were
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  developing the hair idea because you said you knew you wanted
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  like glowing hair. Yeah.
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  So basically I just thought about, you know, having like
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  light up hair because why not? Yeah, totally fucking.
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  And then you're. A pop *.
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  Yeah, exactly. You, you got to glow, you know,
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  you got to glow. You're a star.
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  You got to shine. You got to shine.
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  Speak on it. Basically when I thought about
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  this I was like how the fuck am I going to make light up hair?
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  Like do you get a hair stylist or do you get a a person who
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  knows or like a. Technician.
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  Or something. How do you make it?
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  It's both. So the first one that I made was
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  I designed it, I drew it in my note notebook and we found this
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  like guy. It's made out of EO wire, which
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  is like, you know, like the kind of like material that you put in
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  the car, you know, when you want to light up the doors or
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  something. That's like El wire.
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  So it's like 6 tails that have like a little 3D printed cap at
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  the end with like a little hoop. So I have six of those three on
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  each side. So I kind of make my hair in the
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  space buns and then I literally tie it with elastic around my
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  hair. And then the third one, I roll
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  it around and it's giving like Sailor Moon.
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  Totally. Hair like with the long tails
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  and you know, the wrapped around like that becomes like a bun.
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  Yeah, yeah. So that's the first one I made
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  in 2020 and then in 20/21 I made this one I found like the best
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  prop maker in the world. So you've had this one for
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  years? Yes.
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  Oh my gosh, you took care of her.
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  I know, yeah, I really do. Because she was expensive.
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  You know, I know that's crazy. You're literally, I'm not going
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  to say how much it was, but you're wearing my album budget
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  on your head right now. Yeah, it's pretty like pretty
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  expensive, more like like I want one, make me one.
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  I was like, I don't know if you're going to afford it.
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  I. Can't afford it.
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  I cannot afford it, girl. I was.
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  Like, not you. I mean, generally people, of
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  course you can't afford it. Oh, period.
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  Give me your album budget and then I'll make you one.
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  Well, I want to make the album, girl.
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  But you know what? We'll we'll dig into the budget
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  for it. Yeah.
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  So you have more wigs coming up, though.
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  You're talking about that with me too.
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  You're designing more. Yes, I'm making a new one now.
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  That's from a new material. Yeah, that's like.
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  Same same person who made this one, yes.
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  Sick. So Tom, he's like a prop maker.
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  He makes props for like he made Lady Gaga's spark boobs.
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  You know, like the yes, that was like she.
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  Did on tour, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah, like on her first project, you know.
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  With yellow hair, I think yes, yes he does.
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  So basically he, and then he does like props for all the
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  artists basically, and like for Disney and everything.
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  Wow. He's like my bestie.
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  He's like, yeah, I, I love going to his workshop and we work on
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  on the wigs. It took six months to make this
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  one. No way.
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  Yeah, because it was so crazy. How do you make a optic fiber
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  wig that looks kind of normal even though it's not bulky?
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  Before you turn it on, I wouldn't have it.
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  I would have thought it was just like hair, like a wig.
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  You. Know yeah, I know because I want
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  it to be super realistic because that's what like it's kind of
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  magic if it's realistic. 100% it is magic.
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  It is super realistic. You know, before we got on the
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  show, Charlie was like, also her hair glows.
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  We need to do something with lighting for that.
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  And I had no idea what he was talking about.
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  I was like, is it like white and fluorescent or something?
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  And then you got here and you're like, Oh no, it.
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  It. Glows yes it lights.
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  Oh Oh my God, it's very magical super pop star.
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  So you already knew you want to have a defined image and then as
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  your science of label and they were developing you as an
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  artist. Was this a part of like the
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  discussions and you came in knowing you wanted this hair?
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  So I kind of figured it out after I was signed for a while.
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  I was like, OK, what's my look? What's my did?
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  They talk to you about that or did you come in like I need to
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  have a look, I need to? No, I, I I want it.
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  So I was like, OK, I need to find someone to make it.
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  They actually found the first person who made my light up hair
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  before I met Tom and yeah, I did that and I was like, OK, now I
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  can't release balance, can I? With this hair, it's giving like
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  robot La La interesting and I didn't felt and it was like hard
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  to convince them. They were like I thought about
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  the concept around the same time technosexual.
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  I was like, I want to write a song called Technosexual and
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  it's going to be like, like more electronic.
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  Totally. I mean half the song they were
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  like, no. What?
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  Why? They just didn't get it.
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  They were like, kind of like, they like.
• 16:57
  What did they want from you? They wanted me to release the
• 16:59
  stuff that they wanted me to release the stuff that we.
• 17:03
  It was pretty tough. Obviously I was just kind of
• 17:05
  like coming up with my vision as I was signed so it.
• 17:09
  Sucks to be stifled like that. I know it was like pretty tough
• 17:12
  to develop while I was signed because, you know, people were,
• 17:15
  there was like a lot of chefs in the room and everyone wanted me
• 17:18
  to do different things and I didn't feel like I had space for
• 17:21
  my creativity, right? Therefore, these corporate
• 17:24
  bitches are trying to kill me. These corporate bitches are
• 17:25
  trying to kill you. It's about being in a like, you
• 17:29
  know, a big kind of machine and not being able to have your
• 17:34
  individuality and be unique and be who you want or, or find who
• 17:38
  you are, you know. Yeah.
• 17:39
  And it's hard because. Your shoes don't fit.
• 17:40
  Especially because like, as an artist and someone making music
• 17:43
  and beginning to put on music, it's like you want to do what's
• 17:45
  true to you and what you're excited and passionate about.
• 17:47
  But when you have people that you're working with being like,
• 17:49
  maybe not, or this isn't good enough, try again.
• 17:51
  That's so disheartening. Yeah, because even if a song is
• 17:54
  not good enough, right? I love, you know, like
• 17:59
  optimistic feedback, like, OK, like I I want like, I want
• 18:03
  feedback because then maybe next time I'll write a better one.
• 18:05
  But if you tell me this is shit, you kind of like demotivate me.
• 18:09
  Totally. Because then it's like, well,
• 18:10
  then I can't do good, yeah. So I I was dropped in 2022 and
• 18:13
  that was like the best thing that ever happened.
• 18:15
  Did you see the drop coming? Yes.
• 18:17
  Oh, and you wanted it. I kind of felt like, well, you
• 18:21
  never want it, you know, totally.
• 18:22
  But I felt like when I got, when I found out, I was like crying
• 18:25
  in the bushes. What?
• 18:26
  I'm sorry, but it's the best thing I'm.
• 18:29
  Pretty dramatic I'm. So dramatic.
• 18:31
  Like I got it. Pulling up to this producer's
• 18:33
  house, we're supposed to like, produce my song.
• 18:38
  I get the call and I'm like screaming on the pavement, on
• 18:43
  the floor. Get out of the car.
• 18:46
  I like, cry. Like I can't cry 'cause I'm
• 18:48
  going to this producer and needs to produce my song.
• 18:50
  Like I can't like tell him I I just got dropped 'cause then
• 18:53
  I'll demotivate him. Oh.
• 18:54
  My God, right then he's. So I was like pretending
• 18:56
  everything was fine and I was like.
• 18:58
  Oh my God, we did the song. Yes, 'cause we were just
• 19:01
  producing the song totes at the time and.
• 19:04
  Yeah. I didn't want to say anything.
• 19:07
  Oh my God, so. Then I went home and.
• 19:08
  I liked the drama of that story. Screaming and crying.
• 19:10
  I was like, I had, you know, like I wanted to burst out in
• 19:14
  tears and I've. Been there I.
• 19:16
  Held it back the whole day. Girl, I've had shows where I
• 19:19
  felt like that. I've had sessions.
• 19:21
  Shows is crazy. Yeah, it's where I'm like, I
• 19:23
  have to perform now, but I'm like, you know, have you seen
• 19:26
  that Katy Perry clip from her movie where she got her
• 19:29
  ex-husband Russell Brand or whatever texted her he wanted a
• 19:32
  divorce right before she got on stage?
• 19:34
  No. That shit really like motivates
• 19:36
  me because I'm like, I'm not Katy Perry though, so I'm.
• 19:38
  Like and. She still performed.
• 19:40
  And I feel like, you know, something like that can make you
• 19:42
  feel super present in the moment, like you're not in your
• 19:45
  head. Like I feel like if that
• 19:47
  whatever happens in real time is like I'll come usually comes to
• 19:50
  sessions with my concept idea, most of the song written.
• 19:52
  But if something happens in real time, I'll be like, I had this
• 19:55
  idea, but we're scrapping. We're going to write what just
• 19:57
  happened right now and we just need to capture this moment,
• 19:59
  just says. It just happened.
• 20:01
  It's cool. Yeah.
• 20:02
  And like, I think that's also a gift in art, just being what
• 20:04
  like mold into like your current situation, but you don't want to
• 20:07
  like work on a song about being dropped in that moment you
• 20:09
  wanted to work on the other whatever.
• 20:10
  You're working on finish. I wanted because we already
• 20:13
  wrote the song and I wanted it to be reproduced.
• 20:16
  It was. At that time, I didn't finish
• 20:19
  the songs in one sitting. Now we're doing, we're doing
• 20:22
  like it's like 4 hours or five and it's done.
• 20:26
  All vocal layers, everything perfect.
• 20:29
  Static, double S, all of it. And it takes like all my energy
• 20:32
  totally. And focus like I need to like go
• 20:34
  hyper focus, yeah, you know, to be able to get that.
• 20:37
  Yeah, I'm locked. The fuck?
• 20:38
  In yeah. So I don't do it all the time.
• 20:40
  I only do it when I have the concept.
• 20:41
  I know what I'm doing. Yeah.
• 20:44
  And then I need time off in between the songs that I write
• 20:48
  for me just so I can like, you know, recharge that energy.
• 20:51
  That's like supernova energy. 100% you're giving your all, but
• 20:55
  that's really good and intentional 'cause I know a lot
• 20:57
  of people who like just go in and like fuck it, let's just see
• 20:59
  what's up. Like I write with other artists
• 21:00
  who are just like, eh, let's see.
• 21:01
  And like, I don't like wasting people's time.
• 21:02
  I don't like wasting my time. I don't like wasting the artists
• 21:05
  time. I don't like wasting the
• 21:05
  producers time. So like when I go in for my
• 21:08
  music, it's like I'm only taking this session if I know exactly
• 21:11
  what I want. Other than that, I'm like, I'm
• 21:12
  not going to sit there and be like, eh, let's just see what's
• 21:14
  up. No, I love that.
• 21:14
  That's great. I waste everyone's time, it's
• 21:16
  not worth it. Going to be mindful in the
• 21:18
  mirror 100. Percent.
• 21:20
  I don't feel like everyone's like that.
• 21:21
  So you know what, girl, we really are twinsies.
• 21:23
  Everything you're saying like I'm like, yes, we are.
• 21:25
  I get all that. We got to ride together.
• 21:27
  Oh. My God, yes we should.
• 21:29
  Yes, I'm going to play pop stars.
• 21:30
  You're going to. Love it.
• 21:31
  I love. I would love that.
• 21:32
  OK, wait. And I'm going to play with some
• 21:34
  unreleased. OK, yes, I'm super.
• 21:36
  Exciting music too. Yay.
• 21:37
  OK, so you know on these corporate bitches are trying to
• 21:39
  kill me. So, you know, when you're saying
• 21:41
  like my music, I know you're not even listening to it.
• 21:43
  So fucking real. Yes, so fucking real.
• 21:45
  Like, yeah, bro, what even is what's happening?
• 21:48
  It's so frustrating. It is.
• 21:49
  It's so frustrating. They are trying to kill us.
• 21:51
  Yeah. It's like, really like.
• 21:54
  I don't know, I feel like it's really tough to be an artist.
• 21:56
  Like, you need to like, really be resilient.
• 21:59
  Yeah. To survive.
• 22:00
  Like some, some people have it easier for some reason.
• 22:02
  Like, I don't know, they sign and then the first song that
• 22:06
  they release, like, blows up. But most cases, it's not like
• 22:09
  that. Most cases, like 10 years of
• 22:11
  hard fucking work. Yeah.
• 22:13
  Seriously. You know, like.
• 22:15
  Overranging stuff. Like a decade.
• 22:16
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sometimes.
• 22:19
  Sometimes it happens like that and then you're thinking like
• 22:21
  why didn't it happen like that for me?
• 22:23
  But most cases not like that. It takes time, absolutely.
• 22:27
  I forgot the question. We were talking about you
• 22:29
  getting dropped. So you got dropped.
• 22:32
  You had your meltdown. Oh.
• 22:34
  Yeah, 'cause I was saying, oh, 'cause you're talking about the
• 22:37
  songs and people not listening to the songs and like not paying
• 22:40
  attention. They don't pay attention.
• 22:41
  It's very rare that. People do there's like very like
• 22:44
  I know 2A and Rs that I love and they, you know, listen to
• 22:51
  everything, respond to everything.
• 22:53
  They're super honest. Like it's my you could tell
• 22:55
  someone that one doesn't. Listen to you know, you know,
• 22:59
  'cause I'm when I like, when I play people on music, I always
• 23:01
  ask questions. I want feedback, you know what I
• 23:03
  mean? And then I, this is one of my
• 23:04
  biggest pet peeves and this is like actually about all my
• 23:07
  friends, 'cause my friends are like, they're all artists, but
• 23:10
  when they send me their music, I listen so intently.
• 23:13
  I give so much feedback I'm like, I love this stack.
• 23:15
  I love this ad Lib. You did it.
• 23:16
  That hardly was sick. I love how the melody in verse 2
• 23:18
  was different, like kind of what I was saying about your music,
• 23:20
  right? I'm always giving the feedback
• 23:21
  and I'll send them my stuff and they'll be like, that's so good.
• 23:23
  And I'm like, oh. I know like I'm like.
• 23:26
  OK, I know. I listen in depth, like if
• 23:28
  someone sends me their album, I'm like listening in depth.
• 23:30
  I give it like I analyze. The fuck out of it, Yes,
• 23:32
  absolutely. Because I feel like I would want
• 23:34
  that. People don't do that.
• 23:35
  No, people don't. Do that.
• 23:36
  It's soft. I actually don't.
• 23:37
  Send any of my music to my friends, really.
• 23:40
  I don't send any. Of my music to my friends, I
• 23:43
  just keep everything to myself until it's out and then yeah,
• 23:47
  that's kind of it's only in between the team that you know
• 23:49
  yeah, I'm a triangle of in a similar.
• 23:51
  Position it's like I like when my team listens because I want
• 23:54
  feedback and I want like direction or whatever because
• 23:56
  I'm essentially anr ING myself right but then I also feel like
• 23:59
  having too many opinions could sway me or make me want to
• 24:01
  change things yeah and you want to stick to your vision.
• 24:04
  You know, yeah, or makes you like.
• 24:05
  Doubt yourself or doubt your decisions?
• 24:07
  Yeah, 100. Percent if you got to go in.
• 24:09
  Like this what we're doing? Yes, 1,000,000.
• 24:11
  Percent. You need to be able to command
• 24:13
  it and have a I think that's the word I like to use, especially
• 24:15
  when I work with people. It's like what is the vision
• 24:17
  here? What are we trying to make?
• 24:18
  Like how can we get it to the finish line, etcetera.
• 24:22
  I also find. It like also like I love in the
• 24:25
  session because sometimes we write, write stuff and I'm like,
• 24:27
  OK, is this like intentional? Is this lyric intentional?
• 24:31
  Like what? And I like what's the synopsis
• 24:33
  of our song? What what's our intention with
• 24:36
  this song? Right, Like everyone.
• 24:37
  Needs to hit yes and I. Always like to said the
• 24:40
  intention with the song, like basically okay skin care.
• 24:42
  What is this song about? Yeah.
• 24:44
  Like what's the? Angle yeah, you know, like,
• 24:46
  okay, we're it's kind of a sarcastic song about being
• 24:51
  obsessed with like I'm taking making fun of myself.
• 24:53
  Yeah, it's satirical. And my.
• 24:55
  Obsession with skin care, you know, Yeah.
• 24:57
  And like being living forever and yeah, you know, like, well,
• 25:01
  we talked. About it before the show
• 25:03
  started, I was telling you like you have such a unique
• 25:04
  perspective, especially if you're lyrics, they're very
• 25:06
  meta, they're very self aware. I think they're super unique and
• 25:10
  I think even with the concepts that you have like even with
• 25:12
  like Kiss Back like that's I saw the title when I looked at your
• 25:16
  project, that's the first one I clicked on 'cause that's an
• 25:17
  interesting title to me. Kiss Back.
• 25:19
  What does that mean? You know what I mean?
• 25:20
  So I play and I'm like, that's a really interesting, like, I wish
• 25:22
  I could take that back. Exactly.
• 25:24
  Yeah. And then click bait like
• 25:25
  reverse. And like, it's all like, yeah,
• 25:27
  kind of digital. Everything I do is very digital.
• 25:30
  Like click bait talking about like swiping and you're like,
• 25:32
  you know, all these like shirtless guys and like don't
• 25:35
  make the bed. Like everything is like it's so
• 25:37
  intentional and like unique, you know, like I think that's kind
• 25:41
  of really special was an artist because a lot of artists lack
• 25:44
  perspective. I would say they also lack this
• 25:47
  idea of like creating projects around like cohesive themes or
• 25:50
  concepts or whatever. So like everything that you're
• 25:52
  doing, like you said, the digital angle of it, it's like
• 25:54
  it's super fresh. It like takes time.
• 25:56
  To build your world, I guess, because I guess as a creative
• 26:00
  you could be like, oh, who am I? You know, it's very hard to
• 26:02
  decide like, who are you as an artist?
• 26:04
  Like you could be like anything. You could go rock, you could go
• 26:07
  electronic, you could go and it's hard to figure it out for a
• 26:11
  while. Figure out who you.
• 26:12
  Are as an artist. It took years, honestly.
• 26:16
  And because obviously as I'm a songwriter too, so I write
• 26:20
  everything. So I was like in the beginning
• 26:23
  when I started writing music, I was like every song that was
• 26:27
  good, I wanted it to be mine. And I didn't like care about
• 26:30
  that. It's like this, like it's a
• 26:32
  different genre like but you were like, but it's a good.
• 26:33
  Song so I was like, I want. It and then I started like
• 26:37
  realizing, oh, like, OK, this feels more like me than this,
• 26:42
  but it's a process. Like, I don't know what
• 26:44
  triggered it, but then I'm like, OK, the songs I pick feel like
• 26:49
  me, but they're just like pop songs.
• 26:50
  Like, what's the personality? What's the angle?
• 26:52
  What's like? Yeah.
• 26:54
  You really want to put more of yourself into it too.
• 26:56
  Like a unique perspective is super important, especially for
• 26:59
  artists, you know, because I feel like in the.
• 27:00
  Beginning I was writing my artist project as a songwriter
• 27:02
  or like I was like, oh, what's like my sorry, I need to like my
• 27:06
  hair is in my eyes. I know totally do.
• 27:08
  What you need to do? Behind my glasses I can't really
• 27:11
  see. Wait, I love your.
• 27:12
  Eyeshadow. Oh, yeah, yeah, It's a pop star.
• 27:16
  You're giving everything. Yeah, yes, it's.
• 27:19
  All black today. Oh, love for the pond.
• 27:22
  I love, I feel like we matched. We do.
• 27:25
  We both have glowing hair. We're all in black.
• 27:27
  Yeah. Yeah, a little.
• 27:28
  Touch of white. You got hair, you've got the
• 27:30
  wings, the nails. Oh.
• 27:31
  My God, I forgot about this. I was like, wait, what?
• 27:33
  Wings. Yes, that's right, we're on our
• 27:35
  pop star shit. We are, because we are
• 27:37
  motherfucking we should. As we should.
• 27:39
  Period. OK, so you were talking about
• 27:41
  figuring out your sound and also what who you are as an artist.
• 27:44
  But honestly, it's also something they kind of just feel
• 27:46
  like for me, it's like I've always known what I kind of
• 27:49
  wanted to make, what sounds I wanted to do, like kind of
• 27:52
  escape. I've always known like, that's
• 27:53
  really cool and. I it was like, it was very tough
• 27:56
  for me to figure out like, OK, electronic, like how did you
• 27:59
  land on? That well, the hair.
• 28:01
  Slowly got me there and then I I released all the music that was
• 28:06
  written during my time at the label and I released all I
• 28:11
  started making new stuff so and basically so I was like, OK, I
• 28:16
  was like thinking like I want to write the hit, right?
• 28:19
  I was thinking from that perspective.
• 28:20
  I wasn't thinking like, do I love this song for me?
• 28:23
  No, I wasn't thinking like that, right?
• 28:25
  I was like, I want the hits. Interesting.
• 28:27
  So then. My producer, Inverness, when we
• 28:30
  started working together for my project last year, we did a song
• 28:33
  called Digital Heartbeat, and it sounds like Lady Gaga.
• 28:37
  And I wasn't thinking. I was like ignoring that.
• 28:39
  I was like literally ignoring that.
• 28:40
  And he says to me, OK, now that I know your style, yeah, I know
• 28:46
  you can make something more catered towards you.
• 28:47
  No, he's like now. That I know that that's your
• 28:49
  style. I was like, and I was like,
• 28:51
  that's not my style. That's like sounds like fucking
• 28:53
  Lady Gaga. That's a Gaga.
• 28:54
  He thought that. Was he thought that was you?
• 28:57
  So I was like. OK, now we need to do something
• 28:59
  like that's me, so I can't. I guess him saying that to me
• 29:02
  made me realize, OK, it's not unique enough.
• 29:05
  I need to like pull my head out of my ass and like, like, right
• 29:10
  what I like, feel like it's right for me.
• 29:13
  So I 100% sorry. Going back to old music that I
• 29:16
  love. Yeah, you're blocking.
• 29:18
  In you're like, really looking for it.
• 29:19
  What music? Do I like 100%?
• 29:21
  What's? Influencing you?
• 29:22
  What do you want to listen to so then?
• 29:25
  It was a bunch of electronic stuff, a bunch of weird music.
• 29:29
  I was like, OK, I want like my songs have BPM, the change.
• 29:32
  So first one we did was Sailor Moon.
• 29:34
  Yeah, yeah, that was like super neat.
• 29:37
  Yeah, it's really. Cool.
• 29:38
  And like the ending changes and like, you know, that was the
• 29:42
  start and we started with and yeah, we built from there.
• 29:48
  I stopped like starting with the chorus, which is something I
• 29:52
  always used to do really. Yeah, I'm just.
• 29:55
  Like no rules, Yeah, I like. That I can kind of see that in
• 29:58
  your music right now. Exactly like what you're talking
• 30:00
  about. You have another song which was
• 30:02
  a kiss back. You also do a BPM change and
• 30:04
  like it drops down it. Gets low like.
• 30:06
  Yeah, I like that because like for me, a philosophy I have
• 30:09
  going into my project is like, every song needs to be
• 30:12
  interesting. There needs to be an element in
• 30:13
  every song that's interesting because like, I imagine a
• 30:16
  listener listening to the album top to bottom, it's like, how do
• 30:18
  I keep their attention as they're listening?
• 30:20
  What can I do? Like, what's something I could
• 30:22
  throw in there that they're not expecting?
• 30:24
  And that's what excites me, and that's why I like listening to
• 30:26
  your project. I always like.
• 30:28
  Think like, OK, what's like surprising?
• 30:30
  And yeah, that's hell yeah. If I want to.
• 30:31
  Go One Direction. I want to I go the opposite, you
• 30:34
  know, like if I feel like going like, oh, this should be next.
• 30:37
  No, then we go the opposite way because, you know, there's so
• 30:40
  many like of. These rules when writing a pop
• 30:42
  song, right? But then also like, and I love,
• 30:44
  I love the rules when writing a pop song.
• 30:46
  Like I hear to a lot of them too, but also breaking the rules
• 30:48
  could make it really interesting and kind of like shifting.
• 30:50
  Especially I try to think about like what is a listener going to
• 30:53
  experience when they hear this song?
• 30:56
  And that's like kind of what I'm trying to write to.
• 30:57
  Obviously an experience, but like I want it to be something
• 31:00
  that's like an experience for them too.
• 31:02
  Yeah, exactly. It's like it took me a while to
• 31:05
  think like that, you know? For some reason, I was just
• 31:08
  like, OK, what's the hit song? What's like the best melody
• 31:11
  like? And it kind of feels like cold.
• 31:15
  Not as personal. Yeah.
• 31:17
  Yeah, absolutely. Because then you're you're
• 31:18
  chasing like a hit, you're chasing something that's going
• 31:21
  to do well versus like doing something that's more you and
• 31:24
  feels right. Yeah.
• 31:25
  And that's always. Like the stuff that people will
• 31:28
  connect to, I guess the things that is in person. 100% you'll
• 31:31
  be so shocked because like I, I never go into a session thinking
• 31:35
  let's write a hit. I go into a session like let's
• 31:37
  write what I want to write and like something I'm feeling.
• 31:39
  And I actually find like the most the most weird out there
• 31:42
  different songs I do like the most personal ones are the ones
• 31:44
  that everyone like loves the most.
• 31:45
  And I'm like, oh, that's I'm so surprised.
• 31:48
  Yeah, I love that. Yeah.
• 31:50
  So you know you've always wanted to be an artist growing up.
• 31:53
  You always wanted to be a pop star.
• 31:54
  So how did you get into songwriting and then becoming an
• 31:58
  artist so. Basically I, I had some, I was
• 32:03
  like in Romania at a studio for a second and I kind of learned
• 32:07
  there how to write a song. Like, you know, what's the
• 32:09
  difference between a chorus and a verse and totally, you know,
• 32:13
  like all that. And then I moved to London just
• 32:17
  because I had, I had one contact.
• 32:18
  Was that the song? Right I.
• 32:20
  Was just, I wanted to get away from Romania because I, I just
• 32:23
  like always wanted to write in English and like wanted to be in
• 32:26
  America. That was always my dream and I
• 32:30
  just didn't want to write in Romanian for some reason.
• 32:32
  It's just not my vibe. I love English, I love my
• 32:35
  language and everything. Like it's really cool.
• 32:38
  But I've always had this vision that, OK, I want to, I want to
• 32:42
  go to America and do music in English.
• 32:45
  And I moved to London. That was the first place I could
• 32:48
  move. I, I got a contact there for
• 32:51
  Jason, who's now my manager. He's, he's been my manager for
• 32:53
  10 years. And I'm, I just moved to London
• 32:57
  and I said to him, like, will you work with me?
• 32:59
  So first I went for some music like writing sessions and then I
• 33:03
  2 weeks later I moved to London and I called him and I was like,
• 33:05
  I moved to London and look, I live here now.
• 33:07
  Who is this Romanian crazy girl that's like stalking off just
• 33:11
  dropped everything came. Over to London, Yeah, I just
• 33:13
  dropped it. I.
• 33:13
  Told my mom like this. What's gonna happen?
• 33:16
  I'm gonna. No.
• 33:16
  How old were you? Don't ask me that.
• 33:20
  Oh. Shit, wait.
• 33:21
  Oh my God, that's pretty young. Yeah, young, but it was.
• 33:25
  It's been 10 years since that's crazy.
• 33:27
  And you just did it too. I just didn't.
• 33:29
  That's crazy. And I.
• 33:31
  Told my mom like, I'm moving to London and you're going to pay
• 33:35
  for half, I'm going to pay for half.
• 33:37
  I'm going to get a job at Starbucks.
• 33:38
  I was thinking at the time, I'm going to work like Friday,
• 33:41
  Saturday, like Sunday at a normal job.
• 33:44
  I want to have a normal job experience because it's not like
• 33:47
  I'm going to actually have a job ever.
• 33:49
  You just knew you're. I knew it was creative.
• 33:51
  Then you're going to be a pop. Star and I wanted to have.
• 33:53
  The job experience for discipline and everything, you
• 33:54
  know, because I think it's important.
• 33:56
  And four days in the studio. And that's what happened.
• 33:59
  I didn't work at Starbucks. I worked in a pub, in a football
• 34:04
  pub. OK.
• 34:05
  In London. It's pretty crazy.
• 34:07
  Yeah. And then I was doing sessions,
• 34:08
  so I guess I had, I had to learn how to write in English.
• 34:13
  Yeah, there are sessions for other.
• 34:15
  Artists or yourself? I was just doing.
• 34:16
  Sessions. Just sessions.
• 34:17
  Yeah, pitch sessions. Like not even pitch sessions.
• 34:19
  I was just in sessions every day before they were they Like were
• 34:22
  you by? Yourself or there other people
• 34:24
  there too like other writers always.
• 34:25
  Sick. OK, cool.
• 34:27
  A producer and a Co writer or like different combinations.
• 34:30
  You know, as we do, as we do, right, of course.
• 34:33
  And. I guess like songs started being
• 34:36
  cut. I feel like in the beginning
• 34:37
  when you're in sessions, like people, like, don't believe you
• 34:40
  that you're an artist. And they're like, yeah, yeah,
• 34:42
  yeah. You have to prove.
• 34:43
  Yourself, that's the thing. Like you genuinely do you really
• 34:46
  do they feel like, I don't know, it feels random to them or
• 34:48
  whatever until like you have something going on for yourself.
• 34:50
  Yeah, I'm like I'm an artist. I'm an artist.
• 34:52
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.
• 34:53
  OK, Right, Bitch, the songs. And then I started getting cuts
• 34:55
  and big cuts and bigger cuts. And so you weren't working on.
• 34:59
  Music for yourself at the time, though, I was always.
• 35:01
  But like, you know, like when you were like new, I don't know
• 35:03
  if you had this experience, but nobody would want to work for my
• 35:07
  project. Everyone wanted to like do pitch
• 35:09
  sessions and write for other people or like pitch the songs.
• 35:12
  And you know, like I have that. Exactly you couldn't afford.
• 35:15
  To pay for the producers and all that.
• 35:17
  So it's kind of like and then no one wants to write with.
• 35:19
  You because then it's like you're new and like people want
• 35:21
  to go with the things that are like the best bet, like where am
• 35:23
  I going to get the cut? Where is this going to?
• 35:24
  Is this going to be a hit? Which I think that's kind.
• 35:26
  Of a mistake because it's really nice to be involved in projects
• 35:29
  and yes, you know how to build an artist.
• 35:31
  Yeah, developing an artist. And senior from the beginning,
• 35:33
  like Slash puppy was on the show a couple months ago and he said
• 35:35
  the same. Oh yeah, I love slushy.
• 35:37
  I love slushy. Actually, he actually.
• 35:38
  Produced one of my songs from my album No Fucking.
• 35:42
  Way. Oh, wait.
• 35:43
  Oh my God, can you play that for me after this?
• 35:44
  Yeah, I'll play it. Oh.
• 35:45
  My God, I'm sorry. I'll play you.
• 35:46
  Something too. Yeah, let me.
• 35:47
  Play I'm gonna want to hear everything OK wait, I'm so.
• 35:50
  Excited to show you. OK OK, so you're in London,
• 35:53
  you're working on the music, you're doing stuff for yourself
• 35:55
  too, but you're also songwriting.
• 35:56
  And then you actually end up becoming a very successful
• 35:59
  songwriter. One of your recent songs that
• 36:01
  came out like I love this song, by the way, is Pinky up There
• 36:05
  You go by cats. I was just doing the.
• 36:07
  Dance for you earlier you were you're going to.
• 36:09
  Teach me the dance I could do. I knew your version of the dance
• 36:11
  because, like, it wasn't a lot of hopping.
• 36:13
  Yeah, exactly. So.
• 36:14
  I can do that. I love the dance.
• 36:16
  Is so good cast. Ice choreographer is amazing by
• 36:19
  the way. Yeah, I love him.
• 36:21
  I'm so crazy. So telephone pinky up like.
• 36:24
  Writing that song, we wrote it. With Dwili and Maxie, who like I
• 36:28
  write a lot of keep up with them.
• 36:30
  I love them. Everything we write gets cut,
• 36:32
  basically. Oh my God, that's crazy.
• 36:33
  Yeah, we have like a 99% cut rate.
• 36:36
  What a bus. Crazy.
• 36:38
  Yeah, seriously. And we just, like meet in the
• 36:40
  studio and we're like, let's write a song and we never know
• 36:43
  what we're gonna write. And so when you did Pinky up.
• 36:45
  You didn't know it was gonna no so based.
• 36:47
  No, no, we didn't know, we wrote in 2024.
• 36:49
  Oh shit, you just wrote. It yeah, we just wrote.
• 36:51
  It and then we found out last year last year that they wanted
• 36:56
  it for cats eye and I was like what's?
• 36:58
  The. Fuck I love cats eye so much
• 37:01
  holy shit. So my friends.
• 37:03
  Wrote gnarly like Banksy, Madison and Alice.
• 37:06
  They wrote Gnarly and I guess that song got me into the band.
• 37:12
  And then I watched Stream Academy and I was like, became
• 37:15
  obsessed with the band and everything.
• 37:16
  So it was like one of my favorite cuts because of that,
• 37:20
  because I'm a fan of them, you know?
• 37:21
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 37:22
  So. When you wrote it, you had no
• 37:23
  idea where it was going to be. No, no and.
• 37:24
  Then we did like a bunch of rewrites like change lyrics and
• 37:28
  La La and yeah, Justin Tranter and Skyler Stone St. got
• 37:33
  involved and helped finish the song and like, you know, we got
• 37:37
  like it. That's so.
• 37:39
  Exciting. That's their highest starting
• 37:40
  single. It is I.
• 37:42
  Don't check the stats because then I put pressure on it, you
• 37:44
  know, good. I just let it happen and hope
• 37:48
  for the best. That's amazing.
• 37:51
  The best happens OK. That's crazy you've also ran.
• 37:55
  But I love it because I. Went to Coachella and they
• 37:57
  performed it. Did you see them performing?
• 37:58
  Yes, I was like. I was like I need to get to the
• 38:01
  front and then like they didn't put.
• 38:03
  You up there with them? No, I didn't.
• 38:05
  Get an artist fast. Unfortunately no.
• 38:07
  Why? But.
• 38:07
  You were with that song, I guess like the.
• 38:09
  Girls had a lot of. I know it just didn't happen.
• 38:12
  OK, that's fair. Unfortunately.
• 38:14
  OK, they should have given me a pass.
• 38:16
  No, no worries. You saw them perform it.
• 38:18
  That's a good point. Anyways, It would be like kind
• 38:20
  of like elbowing. My way to the front I was
• 38:21
  telling everyone please, I I just need to move before I wrote
• 38:24
  the song. Yes.
• 38:26
  Oh my God, did they believe? You and then.
• 38:28
  I don't know. They were like kind of like,
• 38:29
  yeah, stop trying to get in front of me.
• 38:31
  And I was like, just getting in front and then, oh, you're just
• 38:33
  pushing through. My friend who was.
• 38:34
  With me, she was like, no, let's stop.
• 38:36
  So you're elbowing everyone? You're trying to get to the
• 38:37
  front to see cats. I do pinky up.
• 38:39
  Like how close did you get so? Basically, have you met the
• 38:44
  girls? No, I haven't.
• 38:45
  So I got pretty close to front because this twink saved me.
• 38:48
  He was like, can I go in front? And I was like, and why are you
• 38:52
  going? I was like, no, but but if
• 38:54
  you're going, I'm going with you.
• 38:55
  And he was like, OK, let's go. So we like pinky up.
• 38:58
  Then we went. And then he was like more brave
• 39:01
  than me. So he was like, Oh yeah, twinks
• 39:02
  are. Fearless because at some point.
• 39:03
  I was like, I lost my courage and then he came along like an
• 39:08
  Angel to save me. And then we, we, we like kind of
• 39:12
  like locked arms and went together.
• 39:14
  You wrote the. Song Yes.
• 39:16
  Was he gagged? Yes.
• 39:17
  Oh my God. I'd be so gaggy on.
• 39:19
  I'd be like, yeah, bitch, we're getting up there.
• 39:20
  Took photos. We were.
• 39:21
  Singing the song, I was like great.
• 39:22
  He like got me like super close to the front, which is great.
• 39:25
  That's awesome. Did.
• 39:26
  You go to Coachella alone. Were you with people?
• 39:28
  No, I was like. With my friend and she's like
• 39:31
  also filming me. So we we basically like went to
• 39:35
  Coachella and we took so much like we shot so much content and
• 39:39
  everything. You brought the wig and
• 39:41
  everything. Yes.
• 39:41
  So do you get? Dirty and dusty.
• 39:43
  With the dust I I didn't bring. This one but I brought the other
• 39:45
  one which is like the tails and it's easier to wear the blue
• 39:48
  one. Yes, yes.
• 39:50
  So. So basically, this is really
• 39:52
  funny, right 'cause you know, there was a live stream, my
• 39:54
  friends were sending me screenshots, you could see my
• 39:56
  hair light up in the crowd and it was 100,000 people there.
• 39:59
  Oh my God, how you could see. My little like, yeah.
• 40:01
  My little blue little tails, it was so cute.
• 40:04
  They're like watching. You like, make your way to the
• 40:05
  front and I'll show you like. In their photo, in their their
• 40:09
  selfie that they took. Like you can see me in the
• 40:11
  little selfie. Shut the fuck up.
• 40:12
  It's so funny. Oh my God, that's so exciting.
• 40:14
  Wait, were you gagging? They performed pinky up.
• 40:16
  I know were you like Oh my God, I wrote that yes.
• 40:18
  So they. Started with pinky up and then
• 40:21
  everyone put their pinkies up in the crowd.
• 40:25
  Everyone knew all the lyrics obviously and because obviously
• 40:30
  what song was up. It was great.
• 40:32
  It was like, I never felt like that in my life.
• 40:34
  Was like the best. Oh my God.
• 40:35
  I can't even imagine like and there's such good.
• 40:38
  Performers like they ate that up.
• 40:40
  I mean, of course you've. Seen it online, but seeing it
• 40:41
  live is just different. It's like even better.
• 40:44
  It's like so good. They're so good.
• 40:46
  They're so talented. Yeah, yes.
• 40:48
  Oh my God, they're incredible. Well, beyond them.
• 40:50
  You've also written for other artists too.
• 40:51
  You have the cuts with Charlie XCXI.
• 40:54
  It was bag for you. Yes, I love bag for you.
• 40:57
  Yeah, I love it too. Oh my God.
• 40:59
  That's my that's actually my favorite Charlie cut.
• 41:00
  Can you believe I have a? Charlie XCX cut Can you believe
• 41:03
  that? How did that happen?
• 41:04
  How did you write it? With her?
• 41:05
  No. So me and my friend Rolo,
• 41:09
  basically we wrote it and with the producer DFA sent us.
• 41:15
  So basically it came from Atlantic.
• 41:18
  Yeah, that's right. So it was like.
• 41:20
  From the era when she when, you know, the A and Rs were like
• 41:24
  kind of doing a lot. So it was before she came into
• 41:27
  her own and people were still writing for her and she was like
• 41:29
  taking songs and she didn't put her foot down yet, you know,
• 41:33
  totes, totes. So basically one of her A and Rs
• 41:36
  thought about like flipping, you know?
• 41:40
  Yeah, cry for you. Yeah.
• 41:43
  When we were like, let's do back for you.
• 41:45
  Yeah. So we wrote in like 2 hours.
• 41:46
  Next day it was like cut, shut the fuck up.
• 41:49
  Next day we were like. Charlie's taking it.
• 41:50
  Oh, great. No, wait, did she?
• 41:52
  Change anything from the working she did a.
• 41:55
  Full lyric rewrite and then went completely back to our version.
• 42:00
  Oh really? No word was changed, so she
• 42:01
  rewrote. It And then she went back to
• 42:03
  what you wrote. Yeah, Oh my God, that was just
• 42:06
  which. Was crazy, yeah, but like, just
• 42:08
  the fact that I have a Charlie XCX cut is are you a huge fan?
• 42:11
  Beyond. Yeah, I love her.
• 42:13
  Like, Oh my gosh. So.
• 42:14
  You were never going to read her album is.
• 42:16
  So cool. It's like one of the coolest
• 42:17
  things. Like she kind of like.
• 42:18
  It was such a moment. Yeah.
• 42:20
  Yeah, definitely. She changed.
• 42:21
  Pop kind of, you know, yeah, I feel like.
• 42:24
  Honestly brat's I've been in so many sessions this past year and
• 42:28
  they're like I want brat, I want brat, I want brat.
• 42:30
  Can't do that though. What's her favorite song off her
• 42:34
  album Brat? Yeah, girl, so confusing.
• 42:39
  Featuring Lord. Oh no.
• 42:40
  Guess with Billie Eilish, those ones.
• 42:42
  Oh, Spring Breakers of Ke$ha, that one, yes.
• 42:45
  Wait, really? Guess.
• 42:47
  It's guess. I'm going.
• 42:48
  I think my favorite 1 is. Apple.
• 42:49
  Apple's great. Too actually von and then guess.
• 42:52
  Von Dodge. Also von Dodge is great.
• 42:53
  I love von dodge. I like the videos.
• 42:55
  Braggadocious things. Which one's your favorite?
• 42:57
  Video. Guess guess mine.
• 43:00
  Too I want to make a video. Light gas like where she's like
• 43:03
  just. Like I like all the.
• 43:04
  Cuts and like with all the the partying and like her charisma
• 43:09
  is just so great. You know what I mean?
• 43:10
  Like. Underwear like like the.
• 43:11
  Mountain of. Underwear is like, it's so cool,
• 43:14
  Gaggy I. Love.
• 43:15
  Gaggy. Gaggy, I'm wondering how much.
• 43:17
  Was the budget for for getting all that underwear, I think how
• 43:21
  much do you think they donated and also they.
• 43:23
  Did it on the universal lot I think it was probably let me do
• 43:25
  like 100K more. She probably had five. 100 Wow.
• 43:28
  And she had Billy there, you know what I mean?
• 43:30
  That video is really great, a staple in my gay pop music video
• 43:33
  night. Like how she like it's like very
• 43:36
  TikTok. I love that.
• 43:37
  I love that 'cause she like. Turns here and then the camera
• 43:38
  turns and then the camera's on that one and then she turns.
• 43:40
  Very TikTok. Transition literally 'cause I'm
• 43:42
  getting. Ready to do music videos and I'm
• 43:44
  and that's a reference one for me.
• 43:45
  I'm like, I like how it's like she's moving and the camera's
• 43:48
  moving with her. It's so we know who did it.
• 43:49
  First Tate McRae in her 1035 is 1035 so long with yes.
• 43:55
  So yeah, she's like it's she's doing the you have to watch.
• 43:58
  She's doing the TikTok cuts, but it's very subtle because she
• 44:01
  goes like when she moves the camera moves and then it's like
• 44:04
  very TikTok style of like editing.
• 44:07
  Did you like the beg? For you video.
• 44:09
  No. Why I say that?
• 44:11
  Yeah, like you say it. I just feel like.
• 44:13
  I don't. I feel like she came into her
• 44:15
  style fleeing. Yeah, after that album.
• 44:17
  After that album. But still.
• 44:19
  You're on such an I was like she was.
• 44:20
  Like still trying to figure it out at the time.
• 44:23
  I feel totes. And then she just did.
• 44:26
  Right after, down. There you go.
• 44:28
  Put her foot down. Put.
• 44:29
  Her foot down. Whatever.
• 44:30
  You got a Charlie XDX cut? Yeah, okay, that's sick.
• 44:33
  And then you also did Jelius with Illet with Also Delulu alum
• 44:36
  Sophie Powers was on the remix for that.
• 44:38
  Yes, exactly. And you did that one.
• 44:40
  Willie too, yes. So that's one of the songs.
• 44:44
  Oh, the same theme like Dwellian magazie.
• 44:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the cuts you guys are
• 44:48
  getting the we. Just wrote.
• 44:49
  Two more songs there. So freaking cool.
• 44:52
  Yesterday and the day before. Yes.
• 44:53
  Oh, how? Fun.
• 44:54
  It's just so fun to. Be in the studio and like it is.
• 44:56
  I love when I don't write for me because it's like, what's fresh
• 44:59
  fresh? No fresh.
• 45:00
  Really. There's the pressure.
• 45:03
  I do not know what we're going to write and then this like
• 45:05
  random thing comes, yeah, because then also I'm not.
• 45:07
  As precious with things as much as like, it's not mine, like I
• 45:10
  just pitch whatever comes out and whatever comes out of people
• 45:12
  they take. It what's mine?
• 45:14
  Oh, me too. I'm like.
• 45:15
  Every line has to be intentional.
• 45:16
  Everything needs to be impactful.
• 45:17
  Everything needs to be like super like, I'm so nitpicky with
• 45:19
  it. So I 100% got that.
• 45:21
  And then you also did extra L of Jenny.
• 45:23
  I did with. Featuring.
• 45:24
  Dochi yes. So how did that come about too?
• 45:26
  Did you work with her directly or was it another?
• 45:28
  Was it a pitch song? So there was a.
• 45:29
  Camp for Jenny in LA and my friend BAE who was like my Co
• 45:34
  writer on the song she put together the room.
• 45:38
  She's amazing. She's like one of my top
• 45:40
  collaborators. We write together so good and we
• 45:43
  did both of the Jenny songs in that same day.
• 45:48
  So the producer is dem joints and us to wear in the session.
• 45:51
  We wrote extra L and filter on the same day Jenny came in at
• 45:57
  the end of the day she was like we played her the song.
• 46:00
  I was like shaking in my boots. She was there just like, so
• 46:04
  cool, like with her sunglasses on.
• 46:07
  And then she was like vibing to the songs.
• 46:09
  And then did she like say. Anything while listening like 2.
• 46:11
  Weeks later or a week later, she was like cutting them.
• 46:15
  Oh my God, she. Was like I love.
• 46:17
  Really, she's super cool. About it, yeah.
• 46:18
  She was like, cool, this is good.
• 46:19
  Yeah. And she took it.
• 46:20
  Yes, both. Songs that we did, it was like a
• 46:23
  blessed day, genuinely. Oh my God, I'm just watching
• 46:26
  the. Testaments and all.
• 46:27
  I'm like very Gilead. Blessed day.
• 46:30
  I love that you're going. To put it in a song.
• 46:31
  Yeah, the next section of the day.
• 46:34
  You're going to. I don't know, it's good day.
• 46:35
  I want to write it. Praise be there, you.
• 46:38
  Go. You never know.
• 46:39
  I mean, you have your list, right?
• 46:40
  Yeah. When you're coming in for your
• 46:41
  own project, you know what titles you want, and that's what
• 46:44
  you write off of. But you don't.
• 46:45
  You just have a title. You don't have like a concept
• 46:47
  around it. You just go into the session and
• 46:48
  then you work around it. I just have a.
• 46:49
  Title. And then I kind of, I have, I
• 46:51
  have like a feeling in my head is more like visual or like a
• 46:56
  feeling. I don't know how to express it.
• 46:58
  It's like I got that. It's not a movie.
• 47:01
  Yeah. It's just like a a feeling and a
• 47:03
  personality. Yeah.
• 47:05
  And then I try to catch it and then, yeah, I never like, think
• 47:10
  about the songs vibe to you. Know.
• 47:13
  Yeah, but I do. Have the vision in my head and
• 47:15
  it's a feeling and I need to like grab it and then it's
• 47:18
  theirs. I so kind of like that.
• 47:20
  I so got that. Yeah.
• 47:21
  Also wanted to congratulate you because you currently have the
• 47:24
  number one Billboard World Albums through TX, TS Bed of
• 47:28
  Thorns, which you wrote on. I know.
• 47:30
  Congratulations. Thank you.
• 47:31
  How? Exciting is that.
• 47:32
  Yeah, it's really exciting. This was a good month.
• 47:34
  Yeah. You're killing it.
• 47:35
  Only a good month. Yeah.
• 47:37
  Genuinely. Also, I have another Island song
• 47:39
  that dropped. It's called It's Me.
• 47:41
  And it's funny because people on the Internet go like, who's at
• 47:45
  fault for these songs? And then they play Pinky Up and
• 47:48
  like, it's me, 'cause they're crazy songs, you know?
• 47:50
  It's just like fun. They're very out there.
• 47:51
  Rule breaking, you know, things shift up and I'm like, it's.
• 47:55
  Me I'm. I'm.
• 47:56
  You're like I'm I'm. The contributor to these?
• 47:58
  Yeah. Well, honestly, what I always
• 48:00
  say about my music, it's like, I want people to either like, love
• 48:02
  it, love it, love it or hate it. Like, I don't want a lukewarm.
• 48:05
  I don't want like a OK like I want like strong.
• 48:08
  Reaction. I know it's great.
• 48:10
  But you know what? If anyone hates on pinky up I go
• 48:13
  and I go like no Pinky up is the Best Song in the world.
• 48:16
  Like on your. Med account.
• 48:18
  No way like. On yourself, do you say?
• 48:20
  Like, you're the writer? Yeah, it's like.
• 48:23
  They hate on like Cat's eyes videos or I'm like going and and
• 48:26
  we're like, this is the Best Song in the world.
• 48:28
  Everyone loves this song. Offend them.
• 48:30
  Oh. My gosh, Jesus, that's crazy.
• 48:33
  You just don't know. How to have fun?
• 48:34
  Did you have like? The version Did you see the
• 48:36
  version of pinky up with the member who had left?
• 48:40
  Because did she do a version 2? We can't talk about that.
• 48:44
  Oh. NDA type shit.
• 48:47
  OK. Well what other K pop cuts do
• 48:49
  you have that are like exciting for you?
• 48:52
  I have more. Oh, I have one that's really
• 48:55
  good, but I can't say what it is.
• 48:56
  Oh, it hasn't come out yet. No, and I have.
• 48:58
  To zip. Oh no, Be excited.
• 49:00
  Until it comes out I'm. Super excited.
• 49:01
  Are we all going to be gagged? Yes, I'm already gagged and then
• 49:04
  I have more. Eyelets stuff coming.
• 49:06
  Yeah, yeah. Because I love doing there.
• 49:09
  Yeah. I just have like probably like 3
• 49:11
  more songs on hold with them right now.
• 49:13
  And yeah, I'm also working on, you know, a lot of hype
• 49:19
  projects, so it's great. That's a huge blasting.
• 49:23
  I love hype. It's like my favorite.
• 49:24
  I shouldn't say this, but it's my favorite.
• 49:26
  No say. It I mean, they've done you so
• 49:28
  good. I know it's.
• 49:29
  Like really good. Like, their team is amazing and,
• 49:32
  you know, they listen to everything, which is great, you
• 49:35
  know? And yeah, they've been like,
• 49:38
  getting me so many cuts and getting my songs out there
• 49:41
  through the bands. And do you prefer like?
• 49:43
  Doing songwriting or do you prefer being the artist?
• 49:46
  I like both. Honesty, you know, like yes,
• 49:50
  because it's different things like they kind of support each
• 49:52
  other in a way that they inspire each other.
• 49:57
  So, you know, like I write all these songs for like pitch and a
• 50:00
  lot. And then sometimes it happens
• 50:02
  that I like kind of like start an idea that could be for my
• 50:06
  project. And then I'm like, guys, this is
• 50:07
  like I think I'm like making an idea for my project now.
• 50:11
  So I like keep it then for my project.
• 50:12
  So it kind of happens like that. Interesting.
• 50:15
  Yeah, they all feed through to each other, so.
• 50:17
  And I never get bored, you know, 'cause I feel like if you only
• 50:20
  write one genre, then like I found if I would only write
• 50:24
  electronic music, I would be bored.
• 50:25
  Like I'm so easily bored. Like if I thought about
• 50:28
  something, I'm already bored of it, you know?
• 50:31
  So basically I love like doing like dance music, doing pop
• 50:36
  music, doing K pop, doing like my crazy songs for my artist
• 50:39
  project, you know, it's like very different now.
• 50:42
  I'm kind of feeling doing ballads again because it's been
• 50:44
  a while. Just do it.
• 50:45
  Fuck it, there are no rules and you sit at a piano.
• 50:49
  Yeah, fuck it, just do. It so with electronic therapy,
• 50:52
  this is your is this going to be your full length debut album?
• 50:54
  And with this one, these bitches, these corporate bitches
• 50:58
  are trying to kill me. And then also skin care.
• 51:00
  So these are the 1st 2 singles from the project.
• 51:03
  They're going to stay in this world of like this electronic.
• 51:05
  They feel a little industrial to me too, you know, really like
• 51:08
  bratty, not bratty, Charlie, but like, yes, like in your face,
• 51:12
  you know, it's giving. Rave it's giving the whole album
• 51:16
  is giving therapy session at the club.
• 51:18
  You're working on your mental health at the rave, you know,
• 51:22
  Flo just announced. Their new album and it's
• 51:24
  literally called Therapy at the club, really.
• 51:28
  I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:30
  Well, see, mine is. Giving that, but I'm not saying
• 51:32
  that. Electronic therapy, Yeah.
• 51:35
  And this is coming out over the summer.
• 51:37
  Yes. You're going to roll.
• 51:38
  So I'm. Dropping, you know, a lot of
• 51:39
  singles because I don't write. Besides, basically I got it.
• 51:44
  But also. Because, you know, people don't
• 51:47
  know me yet, so if I would just drop an album, I can't.
• 51:49
  I don't want to waste a song. So I want to like give them one
• 51:51
  by one. And I'm not giving all the songs
• 51:54
  like the songs a chance to. Have a life and like, be heard
• 51:57
  and everything. Yeah.
• 51:59
  So I'm giving. Them like I'm releasing every
• 52:01
  month and you're doing this. Independently now, yes.
• 52:03
  And you prefer it over the record label at this point.
• 52:07
  Point in time yes, yeah, it's it's it's really empowering to.
• 52:13
  Be in. Charge of every decision.
• 52:15
  And I have like my team, you know, like Charlie, yes,
• 52:19
  Charlie, Alice, who films all films everything with me and
• 52:23
  does all my marketing with me. I have my other manager Jason.
• 52:26
  And you know, I have like a lot of people that I love that I
• 52:29
  keep adding to the team and the team is growing, but it's ours
• 52:32
  and we decide. And such a great feeling.
• 52:34
  Yeah, it's. Amazing.
• 52:36
  And the songwriters. Like obviously my team, like
• 52:39
  Inverness who's like my producer, he's like the best.
• 52:41
  And then Madison Love who's like my Co writer.
• 52:44
  You know, we have like a team and I love that.
• 52:46
  Like we're built. It feels like we're building
• 52:48
  something, you know? And I can make.
• 52:51
  All the decisions and. Nobody's telling you what to do.
• 52:55
  Yeah, it's like, amazing. It's so freeing.
• 52:57
  It's so powerful, It's so empowering.
• 52:58
  And then if I'm ready at some point, I wouldn't be opposed to
• 53:02
  signing again. Oh, yeah.
• 53:03
  But you know, it needs to be on my terms 100%.
• 53:06
  Yeah, You know what Bonnie Mckeeway says this getting
• 53:08
  dropped from a label is like an artist rite of passage.
• 53:12
  Yeah. And I've had so many guests come
• 53:13
  on the show who are signing labels who also got dropped.
• 53:16
  You know, Sophie was also dropped from Atlantic.
• 53:18
  Oh yes. Oh, yeah.
• 53:20
  Atlantic sisters, drop sisters. There you go.
• 53:24
  I love Sylvia, love for project. And yeah, Bonnie's like one of
• 53:26
  my friends. She's like a queen.
• 53:28
  She wrote like some of the biggest pop songs she has.
• 53:31
  I love her. See, this is what's amazing
• 53:34
  about being a songwriter, that you meet all these creatives and
• 53:37
  you're part of this community. It's like very like fulfilling,
• 53:42
  I guess, to my what? What did I say?
• 53:44
  Sensitive, The sensitive, all the sensitive souls, you know,
• 53:48
  we gather in a lay in the sun. We write songs together.
• 53:51
  It's kind of like, it's so wholesome.
• 53:53
  That is wholesome. You know what, your perspective
• 53:56
  on it is so fresh 'cause I look at the music industry as like
• 53:59
  such a gate cap club. I also see it as like so
• 54:02
  competitive. And I also see people like, so
• 54:05
  like, I don't know, they're not as welcoming.
• 54:07
  Like like you said, like I just started my artist project and
• 54:10
  it's like, yeah, people aren't going to want to write for you.
• 54:12
  I know, but you? Like try and then at some point,
• 54:14
  like, you know, you get you get success and then more people
• 54:16
  want to write. And it's important to write with
• 54:18
  the people around you and your friends.
• 54:20
  And then that's how like you don't necessarily need to go
• 54:23
  like, oh, I want to write with that big writer or big producer.
• 54:26
  You write with who's around you and then amazing music.
• 54:29
  Yeah. And then you grow together this.
• 54:30
  Is like so amazing to also grow together right?
• 54:32
  I fucking agree. They played.
• 54:34
  They started like, you know, cats.
• 54:36
  I started Coachella with Pinky up and then ended on Gnarly,
• 54:39
  which is also my friends who wrote it.
• 54:41
  And it's like, and I like film the video, send them the videos.
• 54:45
  You know, like, it's really wholesome to be in this
• 54:48
  community that's like all these creative people.
• 54:52
  Like all these? Personalities and it's like
• 54:54
  powerful, you know because we're like like a group, you know like
• 54:58
  I can call so many people and ask like let's do a song for
• 55:02
  this or like do a song for me like you know like.
• 55:06
  I feel like being. Just an artist could be a bit
• 55:08
  more isolating and being also songwriter gives you a whole
• 55:11
  network of amazing people that you can.
• 55:15
  Yeah, I'm excited to get. Into that 'cause I feel like
• 55:17
  right now I just feel like everyone so competitive and
• 55:20
  gatekeepy, you know? Oh, really?
• 55:22
  I feel like I just like I always hit the people with the truth
• 55:24
  and I'm always very direct. So love that I'm people can't
• 55:27
  really with your Zodiac sign can.
• 55:28
  I guess, guess, guess. Virgo.
• 55:30
  No, I. Don't know Capricorn.
• 55:32
  No, I'm a. Libra.
• 55:34
  Libra, what are you? I'm a Virgo.
• 55:36
  You're a Virgo, yeah? Yeah, my bestie in Romania is a
• 55:38
  Virgo. No way I love Virgos.
• 55:39
  Look at. Us.
• 55:40
  I love libras. Yeah, I love Libras.
• 55:42
  Yeah, Libras are. Very.
• 55:47
  Beautiful. Yes.
• 55:49
  I mean dramatic. I'm very, I'm super dramatic
• 55:52
  like so I are you OCD? Like, do you like to organize
• 55:56
  your stuff? And like your room is like,
• 55:58
  yeah, that's the most. Part.
• 55:59
  I love that. When I have time or like make
• 56:01
  lists with things like my friends is like my friend is
• 56:04
  like always with a list like yes I fucking.
• 56:07
  Love lists. I live by list.
• 56:08
  I'm super organized. I love a schedule, I love a
• 56:10
  calendar. I love keeping everything super
• 56:12
  tight. You know what I mean?
• 56:14
  So. Yes, I'm completely right there
• 56:16
  with you. Wait, do you like that too?
• 56:18
  I don't know. Oh no.
• 56:20
  Are you like? Type E I am.
• 56:22
  Type B trying to be type AI. Got it.
• 56:24
  I got it. Kind of like.
• 56:25
  This is like what my logo is about, like, you know, chaos.
• 56:28
  And I'm trying to organize the chaos and I'm trying to like,
• 56:31
  that's on your teeth. Too.
• 56:33
  Yeah, that's it. And it's going to be on my.
• 56:34
  Merch as well, which is going to drop with the album, basically.
• 56:37
  Oh clock. Yeah, it's going to be more like
• 56:39
  a brand, a clothing brand rather than actual merch, because I'm
• 56:42
  not. I'm actually making like unique
• 56:44
  pieces. Oh my God, we need to.
• 56:46
  Talk about that. We'll get into that.
• 56:47
  OK, that's awesome. I'm super excited.
• 56:49
  Wait, what's coming after skin care?
• 56:51
  So. The next single that's going to
• 56:53
  drop is electronic therapy. Oh title.
• 56:56
  Track yeah, I love a title track yeah, but it's.
• 56:58
  Not the main single of the album, it's just going to be
• 57:02
  the. Third one before the album comes
• 57:04
  out or you're going to do I'm going to do like 2.
• 57:07
  More before the album and then I'm going to do a deluxe, you
• 57:10
  know, I'm milking it to make sure people hear it.
• 57:12
  You know, there's so many artists and stuff and I want to
• 57:15
  like make sure I give every song.
• 57:17
  Like I highlight every song. That's kind of what I'm looking
• 57:19
  at. Too.
• 57:20
  Yeah, I agree with that. Give them songs, their moment,
• 57:22
  give them a chance to live, right.
• 57:24
  OK, so we've talked so much about everything and I always
• 57:29
  ask every guest that come on the show what their most delulu take
• 57:32
  is. What do you think is the most
• 57:33
  delusional thing you believe in? You talked about thinking you're
• 57:36
  an alien. Live forever.
• 57:38
  Live forever. You gave us a few already.
• 57:40
  Yeah, I can. I.
• 57:41
  Believe that literally no matter if like, no matter where you
• 57:45
  come from, like you come from Eastern Europe, there's no music
• 57:48
  industry in my hometown, right. And I, I manifested and worked
• 57:52
  hard to be an artist. Yes.
• 57:54
  Well, everything was against it. You know, you can fucking do it.
• 57:57
  Yeah. There's no excuse if you wanted
• 57:59
  to do it. Yeah, yeah.
• 58:01
  But I learned when I was 3 like my friends were like, I dropped
• 58:04
  out of school and my friends were like, what are you doing
• 58:07
  with your life? You're ruining your life.
• 58:09
  Go back to school. Go back to school, go back to
• 58:10
  school until even when I was in London, they were like, what are
• 58:15
  you doing in London? Go back to school.
• 58:16
  Like people were going to people.
• 58:18
  Were going to like really be and then I would perform.
• 58:20
  In a DJ in my hometown, there's a big festival called Untold and
• 58:24
  I was the only Romanian artist on the mainstage and I performed
• 58:28
  with this DJ from the 70 people. I had a main artist mainstage, A
• 58:34
  backstage access and they didn't want to let me in the next day
• 58:38
  at the festival because they were, they were like, no
• 58:41
  Romanian artist is performing on stage and I was going with a DJ
• 58:44
  so they didn't know that's my name.
• 58:47
  So my friend was showing them photos of me on the stage.
• 58:49
  Look, that's her on the stage from yesterday.
• 58:51
  So they let me in the festival because they thought I, I, I
• 58:55
  found the like bracelet somewhere.
• 58:57
  I was like, no, I actually performed with this DJ.
• 58:59
  And that's when my friends were like, oh, I see.
• 59:03
  Yeah, look how far. You've come.
• 59:05
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 59:06
  Congrats. So you.
• 59:07
  Can do anything. What's your the Lulu take I.
• 59:10
  I I agree. I don't even think that's the
• 59:11
  Lulu, you know what I mean? I think my most to Lulu take.
• 59:16
  I. I am going to be, I already am
• 59:18
  the biggest pop star in the world.
• 59:19
  Fuck yeah I love. That period both.
• 59:21
  Of us, both of us. We're pop stars.
• 59:23
  We are. Glowing in the.
• 59:24
  Dark I'm I'm super excited to play that.
• 59:28
  I think you're gonna like it. I love that I.
• 59:30
  Can't wait to hear it. That's my delulu take.
• 59:32
  I don't think that's a that delulu.
• 59:33
  I also a big believer anyone could do anything.
• 59:36
  I like big dreamers. I resonate and I I'm so drawn to
• 59:38
  big dreamers. Like, I love people who like,
• 59:40
  tell me like their craziest dreams.
• 59:41
  I'm like, oh, I like you. I want to be around you.
• 59:43
  Like those are the types of people I like to be around.
• 59:45
  Yeah, I agree. Same.
• 59:46
  So we're just. On our pop stardom shit, you
• 59:48
  know how it is, Yeah. No boring people allowed,
• 59:50
  period. Absolutely not.
• 59:52
  Well, we have had so much fun today.
• 59:54
  I love this. This is.
• 59:56
  Maybe I shouldn't say this. One of my favorite podcasts.
• 59:58
  This is your. Favorite.
• 1:00:00
  Oh my God, this is so fun. We need to do a longer one.
• 1:00:03
  I know because I feel like I didn't even get into half of the
• 1:00:05
  things I want to talk about with you, I mean.
• 1:00:07
  We could talk yeah about about music like the whole day, I bet
• 1:00:12
  'cause you're also like do music.
• 1:00:13
  So, you know, like a lot of stuff you know learning about
• 1:00:15
  and. Hearing your perspective and
• 1:00:17
  like, it's so interesting for me.
• 1:00:19
  Like I was trying to like during the show I was like, fuck, I
• 1:00:21
  feel like I'm asking a lot of things that I'm just like
• 1:00:23
  personally interested in. And I'm like also trying to reel
• 1:00:25
  it back into like the no, I love that.
• 1:00:27
  That's great 'cause like, you know, if you're interested,
• 1:00:29
  probably other people will be too.
• 1:00:30
  I would hope so 'cause it's all. New like it's all novel and like
• 1:00:33
  you have such a perspective that no one else has.
• 1:00:35
  And I wanna it's really cool to be.
• 1:00:36
  Both. So if you should try and be a
• 1:00:39
  songwriter too, yes. Well, I do write for other
• 1:00:41
  artists. I have a cut coming out.
• 1:00:43
  I love that. I'll play that for you, too.
• 1:00:45
  It's very powerful. I'm excited.
• 1:00:47
  Because like, it's my first cut. And then I'm like, I just want
• 1:00:49
  to see it performed. I want to see it out.
• 1:00:51
  I want to see my name there on Spotify.
• 1:00:53
  And then I was just talking to my friends last night.
• 1:00:55
  I was like, yeah, I I literally just was, I was talking to my
• 1:00:58
  friends last night and I was like, I'm a great songwriter.
• 1:01:00
  Should write for other people more.
• 1:01:01
  Yes, you know what? I.
• 1:01:02
  Mean. It's like why?
• 1:01:03
  Not, you know, like kind of yeah.
• 1:01:05
  I just love being. In a studio, I truly love the
• 1:01:07
  process. I love the process.
• 1:01:09
  I genuinely. Love the process from start to
• 1:01:10
  finish. I love it like I'm excited, you
• 1:01:12
  know what I mean? I love the sessions.
• 1:01:13
  After this I'm super. Excited for that same.
• 1:01:15
  It's like my safe space. I I used to be, I have a lot of
• 1:01:18
  anxiety and like me too stress. I used to have same stage fright
• 1:01:24
  and all that, but and then I used to be stressed going to all
• 1:01:26
  my sessions. Really.
• 1:01:28
  I would call my manager and say, like, what if I never come up
• 1:01:30
  with a an idea ever again? I would like have those mini
• 1:01:33
  panic attack before every session.
• 1:01:34
  And then I kind of started saying, you know what?
• 1:01:39
  I'm just meeting my friends and we're like in the studio and
• 1:01:43
  we're going to have some fun. Write some melodies like.
• 1:01:45
  Write some lyrics like Take the Pressure.
• 1:01:46
  Off It's not that deep. It doesn't have to be that.
• 1:01:49
  Deep. So then I started.
• 1:01:50
  Becoming so fun and now it's like my safe space.
• 1:01:52
  Yes, absolutely. I used to be like.
• 1:01:54
  That too. But now it's.
• 1:01:54
  It's exactly that when you take the pressure off yourself.
• 1:01:57
  I go into sessions where I'm like, I have the intention of
• 1:01:58
  making the best thing I can, and we'll just see what's up.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah, exactly. It's.
• 1:02:01
  Better to not put the pressure and like, like, today.
• 1:02:04
  Today doesn't have to be the Best Song I've ever written.
• 1:02:07
  It's just what's important to have to be.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah, you know, because you never know.
• 1:02:11
  You never know. If you put the pressure, it's
• 1:02:13
  like, less likely. Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  That's what makes it. Intimidating.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah, I still got that. OK, this is super fun.
• 1:02:19
  We close out every show by manifesting together.
• 1:02:22
  Is there anything you want to speak into existence right here
• 1:02:24
  on the Lulu we? Yes.
• 1:02:27
  Wait, Coachella 2027 Sahara stage?
• 1:02:32
  Hell yeah, I'm playing very specific.
• 1:02:34
  OK, I'll go. I'll be shoving people to get
• 1:02:37
  there. What about you?
• 1:02:40
  I'd make the best music I could possibly make, is what I want to
• 1:02:43
  speak into existence right now. I want to work with more people.
• 1:02:45
  I want to collaborate with more people.
• 1:02:46
  I want to like, get into more sessions, new producers, new
• 1:02:48
  songwriters. Like I want to expand my
• 1:02:52
  horizons with the music and just see what I'm capable of.
• 1:02:56
  I love that. Yeah, so I'm super.
• 1:02:58
  Let's do it. Yeah, yay.
• 1:02:59
  Oh my God, I would love that. I would love that.
• 1:03:01
  Oh my God. No, seriously, I would.
• 1:03:02
  Love that I'm excited to hear the.
• 1:03:03
  Same. Yay.
• 1:03:04
  OK, wait. Everything we said claim it's
• 1:03:06
  all happening. It's all happening.
• 1:03:08
  Manifested. Yes.
• 1:03:10
  OK. Well, thank you so much for
• 1:03:12
  being here. Thank you.
• 1:03:13
  Thank you to the besties for watching, this was super.
• 1:03:16
  Fun and this was your healthy dose of delulu.
• 1:03:18
  So now you can go live your true Lulu besties Serrana.
• 1:03:21
  Where can and the besties find you?
• 1:03:24
  So Instagram, Serrana SORA, name my name everywhere, That's my
• 1:03:29
  handle basically on TikTok, on Instagram, on Spotify.
• 1:03:33
  Yes, there's no, it's just me. No, there's another one.
• 1:03:38
  When I was looking you up, I clicked the other one.
• 1:03:39
  I was like, who's this person? And it wasn't you.
• 1:03:42
  How do you know? No, I don't.
• 1:03:44
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