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James Talarico Makes 'Biblical' Case for Socialized Medicine · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch. Grab a stool next
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Speaker 1: to Greg Karambas of Radio America and Jim Garrity of
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Speaker 1: National Review.
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Speaker 2: Three Martini's coming up.
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Speaker 3: So glad you're with us for the Tuesday edition of
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Speaker 3: the Three Martini Lunch. And Jim, we start where you
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Speaker 3: were late last week, and that's the state of Texas.
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Speaker 3: Most of the polls have James Tallarico up, sometimes very little,
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Speaker 3: sometimes right around the margin of error, possibly a little
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Speaker 3: bit more against Ken Paxton. And in Texas, that is
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Speaker 3: downright surprising given where statewide races normally are. But in
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Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, we've certainly had some interesting
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Speaker 3: videos come out. There's plenty of Tallarico from years back,
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Speaker 3: but there was the undercover videos with his pastor who's
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Speaker 3: not even sure Jesus ever existed. He certainly didn't die
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Speaker 3: for us, certainly. And you just almost wonder why the
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Speaker 3: church even exists at that particular place.
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Speaker 2: Greg, I hate to interrupt you, but in that case,
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Speaker 2: did Jesus trip What's the alternate explanation there?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I got crucified. Oh my goodness. How did that happen? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, I think there's some more meaning to that.
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Speaker 1: It was, you know, it was not a house.
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Speaker 2: I know he's a carpenter. He's got a lot of
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Speaker 2: nails around, but that doesn't just happen by itself. So
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Speaker 2: my apologies to anyone who found that sacrilegious. The point,
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Speaker 2: the object of my mockery is, you know, Tallarigo's pastor,
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Speaker 2: not the faith itself.
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Speaker 3: No, she just says that he made Rome angry. And
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Speaker 3: so Rome had to... Had to deal with that. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, don't go to church there.
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Speaker 1: Fact check true, but, you know. A little bit more
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Speaker 1: to the story. It's like, you know.
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Speaker 3: He made the local leaders more upset than that. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: James Tallarico, of course, the left hates it when anyone
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Speaker 3: on the right invokes scripture, invokes Christ, invokes God for
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Speaker 3: any political position. But if you're on the left, man,
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Speaker 3: that's awesome. And James Tallarico is out there just absolutely
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Speaker 3: distorting truth in a number of different ways as he
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Speaker 3: explains his positions on health care and a whole lot more.
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Speaker 4: When Jesus healed the sick, he didn't ask for a deductible.
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Speaker 4: So when I fight for universal healthcare, I'm doing it
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Speaker 4: on biblical grounds. When Jesus fed the hungry, he didn't
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Speaker 4: price gouge to turn a profit. So when I say
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Speaker 4: that no child in the state of Texas should go
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Speaker 4: to bed hungry, I'm doing it on biblical grounds.
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Speaker 1: And when the.
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Speaker 4: Hebrew prophets saw corruption in high places, they spoke truth
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Speaker 4: to power. So when I take on the politicians who
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Speaker 4: are serving themselves and not the people, I am doing
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Speaker 4: it on biblical grounds.
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Speaker 3: You, sir, are not an Old Testament prophet, and you
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Speaker 3: are certainly not Christ. And so, Jim, a couple different
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Speaker 3: things here. First of all, Jesus incurred no cost in
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Speaker 3: healing people, and he turned five loaves and two fish
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Speaker 3: that someone else had into food. feeding the 5,000. But
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Speaker 3: apparently he's conflating what he thinks individual people should do,
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Speaker 3: which is what Jesus is talking about with what the
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Speaker 3: government should do. And so because Jesus healed people for free,
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Speaker 3: I guess doctors, nurses, the entire healthcare system should work
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Speaker 3: for free. So, you know, once again, twisting scripture, the
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Speaker 3: left loves that.
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Speaker 2: First of all, Greg, again, we don't talk about faith
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Speaker 2: a ton on this podcast, but I'm just going to
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Speaker 2: say that if Jesus had asked for a deductible, I'd
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Speaker 2: pay it.
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Speaker 1: You know it's going to be reasonable. You know, really.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you want to say, oh,
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Speaker 2: Jesus doesn't ask anything. Jesus does ask some things in return.
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Speaker 2: Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek. Those are actually
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Speaker 2: some much easier to pay money than to actually try
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Speaker 2: to live up to the expectations of Christ.
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Speaker 1: That's really challenging. It's really hard.
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Speaker 2: A lot of days, you know, some days we do it,
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Speaker 2: some days we don't. Also, aren't we expected to tithe?
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Speaker 2: So we might not be paying directly to Jesus, the healer,
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Speaker 2: because again, when you have divine healing, that's going to
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Speaker 2: keep your expenditures really low. When you just lay hands
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Speaker 2: on the sick and make them better, leprosy, demons get
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Speaker 2: cast out, all of that stuff is just a level
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Speaker 2: of efficiency that the human mind cannot comprehend. So I
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Speaker 2: really don't think it's fair to compare human medical care
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Speaker 2: to divine medical care. I think that is literally the
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Speaker 2: most unrealistic, the highest bar, literally, metaphysically, metaphorically, you could
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Speaker 2: possibly ask someone. Doctors do not just grow on trees.
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Speaker 2: They do not spring from the womb. Knowing all this,
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Speaker 2: you have to go to medical school for a long time.
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Speaker 2: You have to do a residency. You have to learn
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Speaker 2: a long time. The education process costs money. We can
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Speaker 2: argue whether it costs too much. But again, MRI machines,
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Speaker 2: you cannot go into the wild and find one growing
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Speaker 2: on a bush or something like that. You have to
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Speaker 2: go out and build the MRI machine. They're not cheap.
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Speaker 2: Prescription medication, all of this stuff takes resources. So the
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Speaker 2: question is, what is reasonable to ask of the patient
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Speaker 2: who is receiving that treatment? Now, again, the whole point
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Speaker 2: of insurance is you're putting away money and you're regularly
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Speaker 2: paying The way auto insurance works is that not everybody
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Speaker 2: is going to get their car totaled each year. So
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Speaker 2: if everybody pays into the auto insurance company, same reasonable amount,
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Speaker 2: the small number of people who have their car totaled
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Speaker 2: will be able to have their cars replaced. Everybody gets sick.
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Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons why insurance doesn't quite work.
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Speaker 2: So insurance really should be there for your really disastrous major.
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Speaker 2: You got hit by a bus. You're going to be
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Speaker 2: in traction for six months type expenditures. You got a cold.
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Speaker 2: You got a routine problem or something like that. Well,
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Speaker 2: then maybe health insurance isn't really the right kind of
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Speaker 2: system to cover that kind of stuff. Anyway, you mentioned
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Speaker 2: that I was down in Texas. I was in Austin,
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Speaker 2: Texas last weekend or late last week. Greg, Tallarico was
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Speaker 2: also at the Texas Tribune Festival. I will regretfully note
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Speaker 2: that he attracted a slightly larger crowd than I did
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Speaker 2: for his event, which was on the same stage right afterwards.
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Speaker 2: They cleared after my interview with Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt.
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Speaker 2: By the way, phenomenal guy. I urge everyone to watch
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Speaker 2: the interview on YouTube. Greg, the crowd that was coming
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Speaker 2: in as we were leaving. Picture 1950s teenagers at an
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Speaker 2: Elvis concert, and you have an idea of the level
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Speaker 2: of enthusiasm. I didn't see anybody throw their underwear on stage,
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Speaker 2: but you know they wanted to.
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Speaker 1: Now, the other thing is, it's Austin.
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Speaker 2: Governor Rick Perry once described Austin as a blueberry in
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Speaker 2: a bowl of tomato soup. the one blue dot in
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Speaker 2: an otherwise very red area. But nonetheless, yeah, that's his base,
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Speaker 2: where he's from. It's exactly where you'd expect that to be.
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Speaker 2: I have a column in today's Washington Post. I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying James Tallarico is definitely going to win, but I
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Speaker 2: do come to the conclusion that for this race to
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Speaker 2: be competitive, he needed like four or five things to
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Speaker 2: go his way, and by my count, he's up to
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Speaker 2: like six or seven. And probably the one that's not
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Speaker 2: getting as much attention as everything else is that... Governor
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Speaker 2: Greg Abbott, I still think he's going to win re-election,
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Speaker 2: but he's not up by the usual amount. His leads
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Speaker 2: are much more modest, slightly below the margin of error,
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Speaker 2: a little bit above the margin of error. And usually,
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Speaker 2: Greg Abbott wins by a very solid margin there. So,
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Speaker 2: I think Greg Abbott and anywhere, Paxton has run anywhere
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Speaker 2: from a half a point behind Abbott to five points
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Speaker 2: behind Abbott. That might not be enough to put him
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Speaker 2: over the top this time. So, I don't know if
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Speaker 2: Greg Abbott is going to have the coattails we're used
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Speaker 2: to seeing in Texas. So, I don't want to depress people.
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Speaker 2: Tallarico provides Paxton Republicans with a ton of reasons. I
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Speaker 2: would also say when I was down there, I definitely
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Speaker 2: saw plenty of ads that were knocking around Tallarico.
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Speaker 1: Greg, you know what I did not see?
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Speaker 3: What's that?
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Speaker 2: Any positive ads for Ken Paxton. And I think, look,
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Speaker 2: people say negative advertising works, fine. I think Republicans don't
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Speaker 2: feel particularly good about Ken Paxton. And it probably would
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Speaker 2: be nice if there was, you know, he saved orphans
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Speaker 2: from a burning building type stories. And we just don't
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Speaker 2: have them. which I think is a serious weakness for
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Speaker 2: the Republican candidate in that particular race.
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Speaker 3: More enthusiasm, it seems, for Tallarico. A lot of people
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Speaker 3: thought that eight years ago with Beto, but the polling
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Speaker 3: looks different than it does eight years ago. So, you know,
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Speaker 3: Ken Paxton's got to put in the effort. There's been
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Speaker 3: a lot of complaints all over the place about his
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Speaker 3: level of effort here. And this is not a cakewalk
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Speaker 3: just because you're in Texas. So get it done because
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Speaker 3: this guy, Tallarico, does not belong anywhere near the U.S.
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Speaker 1: Senate.
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Speaker 3: I don't even want him in the gallery with a
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Speaker 3: visitor's pass. This guy's so dangerous.
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Speaker 2: One other thing I just want you to point out
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Speaker 2: from that trip, I heard from other folks there, and
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Speaker 2: it seemed like a good observation. If you're Ken Paxton,
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Speaker 2: you've never, kind of like being a Democrat in California,
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Speaker 2: you've never had to run a competitive general election race before.
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Speaker 1: And now you do.
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Speaker 2: And it's a little late in your career and life
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Speaker 2: to pick up those skills. as we saw with Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris in the presidential race. You know, like, this is,
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Speaker 2: you know, he is not the ideal candidate for this
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Speaker 2: kind of a political environment.
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Speaker 1: So we will see how that all shakes out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Abbott would have had bigger coattails. This is
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Speaker 3: his fourth time running for office. There's only been two
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Speaker 3: governors of Texas since George W. Bush left to become
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Speaker 3: president 25 plus, almost 26 years ago.
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Speaker 1: That's a long time.
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Speaker 3: So by the time you're going for your fourth term,
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Speaker 3: people are like, okay, okay. Put it another way, Greg,
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Speaker 3: only three governors since you and I were in high school.
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Speaker 3: Ha ha ha!
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Speaker 1: Right? Because Bush was 94.
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Speaker 1: College, part of the college.
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Speaker 3: All right, Jim, social media is making us dumber. I
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Speaker 3: don't think that's breaking news, but now we actually have
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Speaker 3: empirical evidence to support this idea. Hat tip to NotTheBee,
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Speaker 3: but they're getting their story from a study found at Nature.com.
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Speaker 3: And they're talking especially about short form videos that kind
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Speaker 3: of see all the time on TikTok that's supposed to
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Speaker 3: be banned. as well as Instagram Reels, YouTube Shorts, and
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Speaker 3: a lot of other things that only last like a
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Speaker 3: minute or less. And they say, behaviorally, participants learning with
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Speaker 3: short videos showed significantly lower immediate memory accuracy across encoding
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Speaker 3: conditions and exhibited a higher rate of forgetting when explicitly
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Speaker 3: instructed to remember. At the neural level, these short videos
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Speaker 3: impair your, quote, neural synchrony in key brain regions supporting memory,
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Speaker 3: visio-spatial attention, episodic memory, and cognitive control. Together, they say,
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Speaker 3: these findings suggest that the fragmented and rapidly switching nature
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Speaker 3: of typical social media short videos enhances bottom-up attentional capture
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Speaker 3: at the expense of top-down cognitive processes critical for deep
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Speaker 3: learning and long-term memory consolidation. And just 10 minutes of
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Speaker 3: TikTok was enough to impair people's ability to remember and
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Speaker 3: carry out the things that they had intended to to
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Speaker 3: carry out. So a lot of big scientific jargon there
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Speaker 3: to basically say, just zoning out and doom scrolling on
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Speaker 3: social media and watching these short videos is damaging your
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Speaker 3: memory and is making you dumber.
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Speaker 2: Greg, this is an exceptionally depressing topic for our martini,
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Speaker 2: but I will point out, I see a silver lining.
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Speaker 2: This suggests people are going to look at their phones,
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Speaker 2: absorb a lot of Chinese propaganda, And then they're going
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Speaker 2: to quickly forget it.
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Speaker 1: So at least we got that working for us.
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Speaker 2: But no, I look at this and I find myself like, oh,
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Speaker 2: that feels right. And not just in the reflexive sense
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Speaker 2: that I'm a genius and everybody who says that I'm
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Speaker 2: wrong is a moron. And people are getting, you know,
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Speaker 2: and of course, I get told that I'm wrong more often. Therefore,
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Speaker 2: the world must be getting stupider. No, what I think
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Speaker 2: is more plausible, one, first of all, They say, don't
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Speaker 2: look at the comment section. If you're a writer, you
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Speaker 2: want feedback. You want to know what people think of you.
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Speaker 2: You do look at the comment section. And you tend
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Speaker 2: to react like opening the Ark of the Covenant at
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Speaker 2: the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. The sheer stupidity.
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Speaker 2: From both directions, all kinds of stuff. Bizarre accusations, completely
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Speaker 2: extraneous thoughts. weapons grade whataboutism, all of that stuff will
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Speaker 2: just like melt your face off. That's how dangerously stupid
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Speaker 2: it is. But I will also confess that I feel
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Speaker 2: like I read fewer long books than I used to.
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Speaker 2: I used to, you know, if I panned over, you'd
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Speaker 2: still see a giant pile of books. What is great
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Speaker 2: about flying, as I recently flew to Austin and back, well,
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Speaker 2: they tell you, put away your laptops.
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Speaker 1: Put away your stuff. Some people can be on their phones.
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Speaker 2: But because of that, I usually like on a plane,
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Speaker 2: unless I decide to buy the wireless, it's actually a
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Speaker 2: little bit of time where I am not connected to
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Speaker 2: the world, pick up a book and I can actually
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Speaker 2: get through a decent amount of it or a very
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Speaker 2: long magazine article or something like that.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting.
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Speaker 2: If I try to read book and I have my
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Speaker 2: phone near me, the temptation to say, what are people
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Speaker 2: saying on X? Or, oh, has anybody emailed me? Oh,
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Speaker 2: is there anybody texted me? That temptation is there. And
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Speaker 2: you can think about that. Think about how many things
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Speaker 2: in life you've had to learn through the application of
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Speaker 2: focus and concentration for a long period of time. And
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Speaker 2: if your capacity to do that is shrinking, that's a
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Speaker 2: really bad sign. That is how you get people really
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Speaker 2: being stupider. To say nothing of the fact of, you know,
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Speaker 2: I would say judging by the state of America's roads, Greg,
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Speaker 2: that people make dumber decisions and turn signals are now optionals.
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Speaker 2: And I realized that the course of this entire conversation,
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Speaker 2: I could turn into a cranky old man complaining about
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Speaker 2: people today and they don't know anything and all that
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: But I'm going to observe.
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Speaker 2: Greg, do you realize that by the standards of TikTok
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Speaker 2: and these other social media platforms, you and I are
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Speaker 2: long form?
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 2: 20, 30 minutes. And we do three topics at that time.
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Speaker 2: So we're like six, seven minutes per topic. That is
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Speaker 2: in-depth Masterpiece Theater, Irving R. Levine, Wall Street Week. This
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Speaker 2: is the Economist magazine for topics in the world of
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Speaker 2: the social media. You are smarter for having listened to
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Speaker 2: us for as long as you have, dear listeners and viewers.
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Speaker 3: Unquestionably. And those are the YouTube shorts you should watch.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. We pack a lot of information within 60
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Speaker 2: seconds of ours.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: Those, those won't make you dumb or ruin your memory
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Speaker 3: at all. Uh, and also, you know, the problem with
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Speaker 3: these things is, you know, you watch one thing and
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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden the algorithm just keeps feeding
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Speaker 3: you this stuff over and over and over again. And
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Speaker 3: so all of a sudden what you decided to sit
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Speaker 3: down for 15 minutes and all of a sudden it's
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Speaker 3: an hour later or whatever. Uh, and all of a
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Speaker 3: sudden your brain is just completely fried. So, uh, Be warned,
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Speaker 3: the data is coming along, so be careful and put
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Speaker 3: the thing down.
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Speaker 1: Greg, have you ever used YouTube to look up how
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Speaker 1: to fix a door hinge?
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Speaker 3: Something like that, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you find out the next morning you
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Speaker 2: were part of the door hinger community? And your entire feed, hey, hingers,
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Speaker 2: now we're looking at the 2400 series through.
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Speaker 1: Let's show you how this one works. So, yes.
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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, there is a subculture or community online,
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Speaker 2: and if you watch one video on it, you are
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Speaker 2: a part of it forever, and you can never get
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Speaker 2: rid of it off your feed.
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Speaker 3: So be careful and don't say you weren't warned. All right,
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Speaker 3: when we come back, the holdout Clancy juror speaks. All right, Jim,
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Speaker 3: we've heard a lot, and I mean a lot, from
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Speaker 3: some of the Clancy jurors that one lady just simply
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Speaker 3: won't go away. Although I haven't seen her in a
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Speaker 3: few days now, so hopefully somebody finally told her to
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Speaker 3: clam up and she wasn't doing herself any favors. We've
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Speaker 3: heard a lot from the defense attorney demonizing the holdout
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Speaker 3: juror and on and on it goes. Well, We finally
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Speaker 3: know who he is, which is sad in and of itself.
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Speaker 3: We shouldn't know that. His name is Michael Desrenville, and
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Speaker 3: he released a video yesterday. It's about a minute long
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Speaker 3: explaining a little bit about who he is and his
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Speaker 3: approach to the case in which he thought that Lindsay
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Speaker 3: Clancy should have been held criminally responsible for killing her
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Speaker 3: three small children.
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Speaker 5: Hi, my name is Michael Peggy Desrenville, also known as
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Speaker 5: the Lone Jor. I know the whole focus has been
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Speaker 5: on me, But we want to reel everything back and
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Speaker 5: put the focus on the three angels that's at hand.
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Speaker 5: The ones that can't speak for themselves, the ones that
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Speaker 5: can't defend themselves, and the ones that can't fight the battles.
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Speaker 5: And those are Cora, Dawson, and Callan. A little bit
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Speaker 5: about me. I want to thank God for my Catholic faith.
17:40
Speaker 5: I want to thank God for blessing me with the
17:42
Speaker 5: ability to love my daughter. And I'm Foremost, I would
17:48
Speaker 5: like to thank everyone, every individual that has supported me
17:53
Speaker 5: throughout this difficult situation. Your prayers, your emotional support, your
18:00
Speaker 5: psychological support is tremendous to my heart, that I feel,
18:06
Speaker 5: that I sense, that I know. I do want to
18:11
Speaker 5: thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Jim, I can't imagine what this guy's been through the
18:16
Speaker 3: last four weeks, the stress of all that when he
18:17
Speaker 3: should have remained anonymous. Again, I hate that his name
18:20
Speaker 3: is even out there. I thought it was a good statement,
18:23
Speaker 3: a very measured statement, kept the focus on the victims
18:26
Speaker 3: where it actually belongs. And as I said in our
18:28
Speaker 3: email exchange today, I hope that's the last we hear
18:30
Speaker 3: from him. Now, his lawyer may want to sue these
18:33
Speaker 3: people who have spoken out against him. But what do
18:36
Speaker 3: you make of what he had to say and where
18:38
Speaker 3: this goes from here, if anywhere?
18:39
Speaker 2: Well, Greg, I'd like to begin by saying to Mr. Deserville,
18:41
Speaker 2: thank you for your service on the jury. The judge
18:44
Speaker 2: traditionally says this at the end of every trial, but
18:46
Speaker 2: like this, this was particularly, clearly probably a life altering
18:50
Speaker 2: experience for him. Thank you for resisting peer pressure. Thank
18:54
Speaker 2: you for not taking the easier path, but it probably
18:56
Speaker 2: would have been easier to just go along with the
18:57
Speaker 2: other 11 jurors.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for.
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Speaker 2: Resisting what sounds like some not as the system is
19:05
Speaker 2: designed sort of pressure From some of these other jurors saying, oh, well,
19:09
Speaker 2: based on my previous experience in nursing or something, I
19:12
Speaker 2: understand these issues in a way that was really not
19:15
Speaker 2: what you're supposed to do on a jury. You're supposed
19:17
Speaker 2: to come in like a blank slate. And if the
19:20
Speaker 2: experts in the jury in the trial say so, fine.
19:22
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to bring your own personal experience to
19:26
Speaker 2: all of this. And Mr. Deserville, I hope you have
19:29
Speaker 2: a quiet life. I hope you are able to go
19:31
Speaker 2: off and live your life with your daughter and your
19:34
Speaker 2: family and go on with life and not have any
19:37
Speaker 2: further unwanted public attention or scrutiny or anything else like that.
19:42
Speaker 2: But also to him and to all the jurors on
19:44
Speaker 2: that jury, the Andy Warhol clock is at 14 minutes
19:48
Speaker 2: and 59 seconds. It's... exit stage left.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's great. Thank you. It's fine.
19:54
Speaker 2: I know you all have very strong opinions about this.
19:57
Speaker 2: There's probably going to be a second trial, although I
19:59
Speaker 2: guess it's in the hands of the prosecutor. We don't
20:02
Speaker 2: need to hear from you any further. We don't need
20:04
Speaker 2: to hear you arguing about what should have been decided
20:07
Speaker 2: or what was decided. Your work is done here. It's
20:10
Speaker 2: now time to go off. You don't need to be
20:12
Speaker 2: on cable news. You don't need to do, was it
20:15
Speaker 2: Nancy Grace or whoever it is? All the court TV
20:21
Speaker 2: type shows and all that stuff. This is not OJ.
20:24
Speaker 2: This is undoubtedly a court case of great public attention
20:28
Speaker 2: and we will see if a second trial goes forth.
20:31
Speaker 2: But I think this particular verdict has been discussed to death.
20:36
Speaker 1: I think it's enough. That's fine.
20:38
Speaker 2: Go forth in peace. Peace be with you, as they say.
20:42
Speaker 2: Go off and have a nice, quiet life. We don't
20:44
Speaker 2: need to hear from you any further. I hope this
20:47
Speaker 2: is the last we hear from Mr.
20:48
Speaker 1: Deserville.
20:48
Speaker 2: And I certainly, if I ever hear another word from
20:51
Speaker 2: those other jurors again, it will be too soon.
20:53
Speaker 1: No kidding.
20:54
Speaker 3: The question, though, is how badly has this poisoned people's
20:58
Speaker 3: interest in being jurors? People already come up with excuses
21:01
Speaker 3: not to be on jury duty. But especially in this case,
21:05
Speaker 3: if there's a retrial, you know what's coming if you
21:08
Speaker 3: decide to hold Lindsay Clancy criminally responsible. But even in
21:11
Speaker 3: other cases, when you know in this age of social
21:13
Speaker 3: media that if you are the one against the 11,
21:16
Speaker 3: that eventually you're going to have to be, your name's
21:19
Speaker 3: going to be out there and you're going to have.
21:20
Speaker 1: To deal with it. Yeah.
21:21
Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes you can talk about a change of venue.
21:23
Speaker 2: For a case like this that really has been national coverage,
21:26
Speaker 2: I don't know if moving it to another part of
21:28
Speaker 2: the state of Massachusetts is going to make that much
21:30
Speaker 2: of a difference.
21:31
Speaker 1: I guess the question will.
21:32
Speaker 2: Be for the judge, for the prosecutor, which usually gets
21:39
Speaker 2: a certain number of people that they can exclude from
21:41
Speaker 2: the jury. Usually the defense attorney gets a certain number
21:44
Speaker 2: of people they can exclude from the jury. What is
21:47
Speaker 2: the threshold for how much can you know about this case?
21:49
Speaker 2: How much previous news coverage of the previous trial can
21:51
Speaker 2: you have consumed? I think ideally you'd like that to
21:55
Speaker 2: be set as low as possible and you'd like to
21:57
Speaker 2: get 12 jurors who know as little as possible. maybe
22:01
Speaker 2: they're just diehard Patriots fans and they're just too obsessed
22:04
Speaker 2: about how badly Drake May is playing and they haven't
22:06
Speaker 2: paid any attention to the trial. Mike, obviously you want
22:10
Speaker 2: jurors who are going in, again, as much of a
22:12
Speaker 2: blank slate as possible, open to all arguments, not coming
22:17
Speaker 2: in with an ax to grind or preconceived notions.
22:20
Speaker 1: But that's going to be a very tall order in
22:22
Speaker 1: the state of Massachusetts, Greg.
22:23
Speaker 3: Well, Jim, you mentioned Drake May and the Patriots. That
22:26
Speaker 3: leads us back to the NFL and we've got some
22:28
Speaker 3: more dastardly attack ads. about this Sunday's Jets-Bears game. All right, Jim,
22:37
Speaker 3: it is now Tuesday, just five days away from Bears
22:40
Speaker 3: versus Jets at Soldier Field in Chicago. The Bears beat
22:43
Speaker 3: the Eagles last night on Monday Night Football with their
22:46
Speaker 3: third-string quarterback, Case Keenum. The Jets will probably be facing
22:49
Speaker 3: our second-string quarterback, Tyson Bajent, next week, so That could
22:53
Speaker 3: be interesting. But as we said yesterday, these special interest groups,
22:56
Speaker 3: these third parties, PACs, they're out there just vicious with
23:00
Speaker 3: these negative ads. And as we've said, you know, because
23:03
Speaker 3: of AI, they sound just like us narrating these things.
23:06
Speaker 3: It's a little creepy. But again, they bought the airtime gym.
23:10
Speaker 3: It's unnerving a little bit, right?
23:11
Speaker 2: These outside groups talk about each other's favorite NFL team
23:14
Speaker 2: cities and teams in ways we would never say to
23:16
Speaker 2: each other, Greg.
23:17
Speaker 1: It's terrible.
23:18
Speaker 3: Beyond the pale. But, you know, a dollar's a dollar.
23:21
Speaker 3: So here's the one attacking the Bears for today.
23:25
Speaker 2: We all know what pizza is. It's dough, tomato sauce,
23:28
Speaker 2: and cheese, and whatever toppings you want. But the people
23:32
Speaker 2: of Chicago have some other idea. They believe that pizza
23:36
Speaker 2: should be an actual pie, deeper than the Mariana Trench,
23:41
Speaker 2: a lake of marinara with an undertow. Sure, they've got
23:45
Speaker 2: good sausage, but Lou Malinati puts an entire pig on
23:48
Speaker 2: every so-called pizza he serves. The average Chicago-style pizza pie
23:53
Speaker 2: weighs 97 pounds and does not merely feed a family
23:56
Speaker 2: of four, it provides leftovers for approximately six months.
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Speaker 1: It's all too much.
24:04
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, New York pizza is flat, foldable, and reliable, loved
24:08
Speaker 2: by human beings and rats alike. When it comes to
24:11
Speaker 2: football teams or pizza, choose carefully about which city you trust.
24:15
Speaker 2: Paid for by Americans United for a Bears defeat on
24:17
Speaker 2: October 4th.
24:18
Speaker 3: Jim, that cuts deep on the deep dish. I'm not
24:21
Speaker 3: a Chicago native, but man, once you've had it, you
24:23
Speaker 3: really never want to go back to a different type
24:25
Speaker 3: of pizza.
24:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that organization is just terrible, Greg, because if
24:29
Speaker 2: there's anything people hate, it's having lots of pizza.
24:31
Speaker 1: That's just the worst, isn't it? Yes, exactly.
24:35
Speaker 3: So New York does have good pizza, though, so it's
24:38
Speaker 3: an effective ad. Will pizza be the defining issue on
24:42
Speaker 3: which people decide who to cheer for this Sunday? Meanwhile,
24:44
Speaker 3: here's the latest ad going against the Jets. The future
24:48
Speaker 3: of our nation hangs in the balance Sunday, and who
24:50
Speaker 3: wins matters. Since the NFL-AFL merger, the New York Jets
24:53
Speaker 3: have been to four AFC championship games. In 1982, we
24:57
Speaker 3: did have a Republican president, but it was a big
24:59
Speaker 3: midterm year for the Democrats. 1998, America mired in the
25:02
Speaker 3: disgraceful Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. 2009, Barack Obama fundamentally transforming America by
25:08
Speaker 3: forcing Obamacare and huge deficits on us. 2010 was a
25:12
Speaker 3: good midterm year for Republicans, but only because the Bears
25:15
Speaker 3: also reached the NFC Championship game. The Bears' other NFC
25:18
Speaker 3: title games? 1984, the Reagan landslide. 1985, mourning in America. 1988,
25:24
Speaker 3: America elects Bush for Reagan's third term. 2006, Sam Alito
25:28
Speaker 3: confirmed to the Supreme Court. If you want to save America,
25:31
Speaker 3: cheer for the Bears. When the Jets win, Democrats win,
25:35
Speaker 3: and all of us lose. The ground the Jets pack
25:37
Speaker 3: is responsible for the content of this advertising. Jim, you
25:40
Speaker 3: never see those two worlds seemingly collide, sports and politics
25:44
Speaker 3: like that, but it's a compelling message.
25:46
Speaker 2: It's not, Greg, because I have this from factcheck.org. 2009,
25:51
Speaker 2: Chris Christie won the gubernatorial race in New Jersey. Bob
25:54
Speaker 2: McDonald won the Virginia governor's race in I believe Bloomberg,
26:00
Speaker 2: who was nominally a Republican, won the mayoral race. So
26:03
Speaker 2: 2009 was a good year for Republicans. So these outside groups,
26:06
Speaker 2: they don't get their facts straight. It's a negative ad,
26:08
Speaker 2: but also it's a false attack. And exactly what we've
26:11
Speaker 2: come to expect from groundthejetspack.org.
26:13
Speaker 1: Or whatever it is.
26:17
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, you know, there's a lot of different ways
26:20
Speaker 3: to spin that. 2009 was a very difficult year. The
26:22
Speaker 3: Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority. The end of the year,
26:26
Speaker 3: the Senate forces Obamacare down our throat on a party
26:29
Speaker 3: line vote after Massachusetts changed the law so a Democrat
26:33
Speaker 3: could replace Ted Kennedy and not have a special election.
26:36
Speaker 3: You know, huge deficits coming off of. the financial crisis
26:40
Speaker 3: with the quote unquote stimulus from Obama. So there's a
26:42
Speaker 3: lot of badness politically coming in 2009 as well. I'm
26:45
Speaker 3: glad you found the silver lining there because there wasn't
26:50
Speaker 3: much that year.
26:51
Speaker 2: Greg, there's nothing more on brand for this show than
26:55
Speaker 2: Disney CTU. For you and I to be arguing about
26:58
Speaker 2: whether 2009 was a good year for the party in
27:00
Speaker 2: the context of a Jets-Bears game.
27:03
Speaker 1: You're welcome, everyone.
27:04
Speaker 2: 2009 was the last year without the Three Martini Lunch podcast.
27:07
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, 2010, the podcast was alive and well,
27:11
Speaker 3: and our teams both made the championship games and haven't
27:14
Speaker 3: been back since. So anyway, hopefully this year changes things
27:18
Speaker 3: on both sides in both conferences. So Jim, who knows
27:21
Speaker 3: what these just reprehensible groups will come up with tomorrow,
27:24
Speaker 3: but we'll be here for it.
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Speaker 1: See you then. We will. See you tomorrow, Greg.
27:28
Speaker 3: Jim Garrity, National Review. I'm Greg Karambas of Radio America.
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