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From Mud Holes to Motorsports: Brockton Packard’s Journey Through Racing, iRacing, and Everything In Between · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Break Fix Podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all
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over the autos sphere, from wrench, turners, and racers to artists, authors,
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designers, and everything in between.
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Our goal is to inspire a new generation of Petrolhead that wonder how did they
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get that job or become that person.
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The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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Like I've always said, you gotta start 'em young.
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You're right.
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Mountain man, Dan and our guest tonight is a prime example of that exact sentiment.
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Much like myself, he comes from a military family background with no real
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history and motor sports apart from the recreational ATVs that they owned.
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His love for the sport was sparked at a young age when his mom would sit
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him in front of the TV on Sundays for NASCAR races 'cause it was the only
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thing that could get him to fall asleep.
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Fast forward many years and Brockton Packard finds himself racing go-karts.
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He's the team lead for iRacing at Niner eSports, part of the
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University of North Carolina at Charlotte's eSports organization.
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He's been part of an underfunded NASCAR truck team, Raum Brothers
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racing and co-hosts, the Press Box Motorsports podcast, and he's here
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tonight to share his journey and thoughts on the world of motorsports
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for other aspiring enthusiasts.
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So welcome to Break Fix Brock.
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Hey guys, it's good to be here and, um, excited to have a great show tonight
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and like all good break fix stories.
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Everybody has a superhero origin.
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So let's dive deeper into your Petrolhead origin story.
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Tell us about the who, what, where and when of Brock expand on the
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family life part of our introduction.
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How did you get into cars and what made you into a petrol hood?
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I grew up in Southern Central Florida around Daytona, Miami, all
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those dig motor sports locations.
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The NASCAR season would start and end in Florida.
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We'd always go around those kind of races.
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We had Sebring, U S A International, which you iRacing fans out there
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are very familiar with through the rookie street stocks programs.
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Like Dan was saying in the intro, my mom would put me down on Sunday
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afternoon in front of the TV and I'd watch the cars go around.
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The V eights had a certain sound that my brain would just shut me off.
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For four or five years probably.
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That's how I'd be able to fall asleep over the weekends.
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And then eventually I'd start watching those races, collecting the die cast,
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getting to know who was my favorites and who were not my favorites, and then kind
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of formed my own opinion throughout that.
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In the motor sports world, like was also mentioned, we went to what
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was called the mud hole in Florida.
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It was about a couple hundred acres of just Florida swamp.
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Everybody would run their Jeeps, their trucks, their motorcycles, all that
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stuff through the woods, and we'd go through that, just rip through it hours
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and hours and hours day after day.
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So that's kind of where it started.
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And then working with my dad on his Jeeps, he had old eighties and nineties Jeeps.
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His seal of approval was if it was a manual transmission and if it had
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the stamp on it, that would be his best case scenario for his Jeeps.
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But we'd work a lot on those because they were old Jeeps in Florida, so
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there's rust and stuff would break and we, we weren't nice to 'em, but
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that's when I kind of got my first like mechanical hands-on experience.
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Having lived in the Southeast, I know that working on the Jeeps a lot and
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while I was in Southeast my share of Offroading and there's a lot of sand
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mixture in the mud down there and it's really hard on a lot of components
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such as your bearings and stuff.
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So I know there's a lot of upkeep to be able to go play in the mud down there.
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Yeah.
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And.
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That Jeep was not the, uh, finest running Jeep in the world by any means.
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There was one day that we had just finished working on it, getting a
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couple parts and pieces in there, and my dad drove it down the road and I
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went inside for a couple minutes and all of a sudden we heard this big pop.
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We walked outside and the muffler was skidding down the road.
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He blew the whole muffler and the the exhaust off of it.
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That we just like put on there.
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So there were lots of breaking and fixing moments with those Jeeps and that
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kind of progressed throughout my life.
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So in all of our stories, there's usually a common thread, right?
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Even if we were like you, or we were placed in front of the TV
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and exposed to it, or out there turned wrenches in the garage.
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There's always that one time, that first time when a car or a truck or
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something got your attention and it was out of the ordinary because you
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were so used to just seeing Jeeps or just seeing whatever it was.
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What was that one vehicle that really got your attention?
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We were in the epicenter of.
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American Motor Sports in Florida, at least at the time, we were part
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of a racing church group that would go to Sebring for the Porsche B M
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W, Audi Owners Club, and we'd do a thing called Kids Racing for Life.
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We'd go down to Sebring, it'd be a week and a half-ish, couple weeks maybe,
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and it'd be essentially a make-a-wish.
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For racing, there'd be these kids there and we'd set 'em up in Porsches, Ferraris,
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BMWs, Audis, all of this kind of stuff.
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And I think it was at that moment, was one of those moments that just
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sparked something inside me that racing was what I wanted to do.
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I always liked racing.
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I always liked nascar, but being able to go around Sebring in a Porsche or
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something like that is just a different.
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Experience That's hard to explain to somebody who hasn't
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been in a race car before.
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And it was funny because we had the hand signals, you know the the go
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faster, the go slower, the thumbs up, thumbs down kind of thing.
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'cause you didn't have radios and I was the only kid that just kept going.
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Thumbs up, thumbs up, thumbs up every lap.
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'cause I just wanted to go faster, wanted to feel the
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G-forces going around the corners.
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And the sea brings such a fun track.
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The bumps, the corners.
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It's not a lot of elevation, but it's so fun.
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So I think that was by far.
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One moment that really sticks out in my head, maybe another moment that
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relates more of why I am a NASCAR kid.
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My first Daytona 500 was the 50th anniversary 500 that we went to, and just
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the atmosphere and the crowd and the, the smell, the noise, it, it kept pulling me
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back in, over and over and over again.
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There's definitely something about the smell of race, fuel in
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the air that just gets you going.
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My American ethanol and Goodyear tires.
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You can't get much better than that, which actually leads to a
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great pit stop question, right, Dan?
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Yeah.
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So being into motorsports and stuff like are you Chevy Ford, Mopar?
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What is your preference when it comes to manufacturer?
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You know, the red and blue flames and that neon yellow 24 on the
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side of Jeff Gordon's car always drew me to the Chevrolet side.
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Of course, I have a soft spot for the Jeep because of my father, but I love
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myself some Chevy Camaros and Corvettes.
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They look mean to me.
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They sound mean.
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They always run well and uh, it's never a bad combination, I suppose being a
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GM guy, there's common ground there.
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So you're in good company.
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Yeah.
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We'll leave the square bodies for another episode.
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All right guys.
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All jokes aside, let's talk about racing.
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In the introduction, we talked about how you dabbled in it in various ways,
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carting remote control cars, and obviously iRacing, which we're gonna talk about
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a little bit more here as we go along, all of which are very, very different.
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Where do you see yourself with this experience taking a next step as a
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driver, or do you even wanna be a driver?
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What are some of the barriers to the entry and what are some interesting
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alternatives that you've explored?
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Driving has always been a number one priority for me.
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I love the feel and the kind of senses you get from driving a race car, whether
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it be virtually from above on a driver's stand with an RC car or in a car.
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That's definitely what I want in the future, but the sport is very money
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driven and very uh, opportunity centric.
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My mom, I, I love her a lot, but she always made me have
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plans, plan A, B, C, and b.
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Plan A was always to drive a race car.
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That was number one.
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Plan would always want to do that.
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Plan B was to work on it in some shape or form, which we'll get into a little
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bit later with some of the R V R stuff.
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And Plan C was to be a, a spotter.
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That's something that in I racing, you're able to do.
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You're able to spot and crew chief and strategize and all of these different
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things and I found a love for it.
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Actually pretty late on.
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I've only been high racing for about five years now, and that's when I
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got my first real sense of spotting, being able to call the runs out,
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call high, low, middle, et cetera.
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Being able to do that kind of thing, seeing what was gonna happen before
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it happened, and also being able to do a little bit of math in there with
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fuel mileage and stuff like that.
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That was always something that I knew I was good at, but I didn't
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know how to put it into motion.
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With iRacing, I was able to find that and then my Plan D would be, uh, broadcasting.
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I do a lot of broadcasting with L SRT V with their main sim racing series.
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I help out with the Press Box Motorsports podcast.
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I'm very media forward so I can talk to people.
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My mom's a communications major.
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I can talk your head off all night long.
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Where I see myself taking the next step as a driver is I've gotta get in a real car.
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As much as you can learn from sim racing, that's not gonna cover everything.
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I don't know how a race transmission shifts.
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I don't know how the clutch feels.
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I don't know how all those things work inside the car, so I need
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to get in a car eventually.
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Hopefully that opportunity will rise soon.
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Like I said, the barriers right now are definitely the, the money involved, and
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I, I don't wanna use that as an excuse because it's just part of the game.
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It is what it is and we all accept that when we try to do this sport.
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So which discipline do you see yourself starting in?
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Do you see yourself going down a path of dirt, oval, asphalt, round rounds?
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Are you thinking sports car?
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Are you thinking spec Miata?
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There's a lot of different gateways into motorsport, whether
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it be oval track or road course.
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What are you thinking?
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You know, if you asked me this question a year and a half ago, my answer would
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be very straightforward and very simple.
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I'd go into the asphalt oval.
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The late models, limited lates, pro stocks, that kind of stuff.
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The short track feel.
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I like that.
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It's fun racing and it would eventually lead into what I want to do, but recently
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through a a team that has partnered with niner eSports, it's called Beaver Block.
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We've run the Daytona 24, the Bathurst 12, and will be running the
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Sebring 12 here in a couple months.
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I've kind of shifted gears into that sports car kind of Miata realm, and
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I've found a new passion for that and it's fun because, You're not having
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to worry about everybody around you.
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You gotta worry about your race and the different teams and stuff like that.
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So it's not as cut and dry as I would've hoped, but I'd be okay with running a
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Miata or something in the IMSA realm.
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The endurance racing is a fun challenge for me because NASCAR has
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our long races, the Coke 600, Daytona 500, but 12 hour races where you're
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running six or more hours is just a.
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Different level of challenging.
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I'm one that likes to go for the more challenging events.
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So I don't know.
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That's a good question and unfortunately I don't really have an answer for it.
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Let's take that a little bit further.
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What are your thoughts on the big races like the Rolex 24 or even Lamonts?
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Oh yeah, I would love to run those.
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I did my first virtual Daytona 24.
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This year, and that was just a different experience.
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I've never run my first lapse in a race three hours into a race already.
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That was just such a foreign field to me to get in the car that already had damage.
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The field was already spread out, and I did 26 or 27
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practice hours before that race.
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About five or 600 laps to get prepared mentally and physically for that race.
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And we streamed that whole thing and we went through the paces and
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we finished 10th in our class.
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So we ran the B M W hybrid, that new B M W, and we finished 11th overall
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because we had a bit of a struggle.
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It was just such a fun experience because I didn't take it as we had to win.
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I knew we weren't going to, I took it as a learning experience, and
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then next year we're gonna win.
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When you were asked like, which discipline or direction you'd like to
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go, you opened a a key aspect there.
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Motor sports is such a wide spectrum and so many young people like yourself
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initially you think one thing's what you want, but as you've come to
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experience other things, it's opened your eyes like, Hey, I also like this.
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That's a big thing that I try to promote with kids, like, don't pigeonhole yourself
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into one discipline or one thing that you like because that makes the whole
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motor sports world rather cliquey.
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I think as a whole, motorsports we need to work together to get
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experience out there for people who've never been into it and everything.
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And then a big thing I wanna give your mom kudos for is the way
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she had, you have multiple plans.
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So many people don't realize without successful planning, you're
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gonna set yourself up for failure.
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But you've had not just one backup at three backup options, which allow you
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to still be involved with motor sports, which is a great path forward for you.
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Yeah, there's always.
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A lot to motor sports and people always think it's either you're driving the
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car, you're spotting the car, or you're crew chiefing, and that there's nothing
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else in between, which is kind of why I went into the mechanical engineering
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realm and all this kind of stuff.
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You both bring up very valid points.
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One that's overarching here is that a lot of people fall victim
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to chasing just one dream.
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They have this dream, I wanna be a pro driver, I wanna be this.
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I wanna be that.
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Life is full of twists and turns and every pun and cliche that you
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can come up with along that journey.
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But what's important is that you're already recognizing there's
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alternatives along that that you may or may not be more interested in.
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And that leads into what Dan was saying about motorsports is people don't realize
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that there are sub-disciplines inside of the greater sanctioning bodies.
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Let's just look at Formula One or looking at W R C or Sports
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Car and Endurance Racing.
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You can start to just dissect that.
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I'm a big Rally fan.
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But when I talk rally, what am I talking about?
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I'm talking about, you know, group A, group B.
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Mm-hmm.
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That type of stuff, versus T one raid or Baja.
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And you know, again, there's so many other things you can get into that you don't
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have to hyperfocus on just one of them.
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So the doors are always open, and I'm glad you're situationally where
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as we say, you know, in coaching, your eyes are up, you're looking
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ahead and you're thinking ahead.
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If this doesn't pan out, what's next?
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But you've already dabbled a little bit in the racing world, right, Dan?
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Yeah, so let's talk about your experience as part of the R B R team.
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Like how did you get into it?
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What were some of your responsibilities with them and how long did
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you participate with the team?
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Getting involved with them is kind of a funny story.
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It was 2021 my freshman year of college.
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I was a band kid in high school and I did a a, a year of band in
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college and I just happened to get covid on our first game week.
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For our, our home opener for football.
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So I was stuck in a quarantine room, kind of just scrolling through Twitter
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and Instagram and stuff, and I saw a post pop up from R B R saying
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interns wanted and how to apply.
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So I called my mom and said, Hey, you think I should go for this?
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It's not paid.
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It's experience only, but it's experienced.
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She told me to go for it, so I filled out the information and I think within
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two or three days they called me back to have a phone interview and then they
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had me up at the shop a month later.
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I was on board for that, and that was right around.
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November, so it was kind of the end of the season, so we just kind of cleaned
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the shop when I was first there.
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And then beginning of 2022, everything kind of started to ramp up.
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We had the fad Moffitt deal with the 43 s t P, the Richard Petty
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colors on our truck, and then everything kind of snowballed.
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I had just about every responsibility you could think of from going
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to Food Lion, the local.
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Grocery store to buy Gatorades and sodas for the race weekend to sweeping the
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shop, to ripping stuff off the truck when they didn't come back in one piece.
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Lots of cleaning though.
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Something that you have to kind of get through your head is, everything's
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important no matter what you do.
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That was hard for me at first because I was like, man, I want to build stuff.
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I want to do things.
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I want to go, and I had to remember that I'm a 19 year old kid that has no
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experience on a race team, so I need to chill out and learn from everything.
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We went to Dinos, we did chassis pull downs.
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I learned so much and I was only there for six or seven months.
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From being an interior guy to them taking me to Texas Motor Speedway
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for the summer race there, having my family and girlfriend there during that
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race, my first race on a crew, that was just another worldly experience.
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You know, you always have those dreams of doing what you wanna do and then
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it happens and you're like, holy crap.
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I'm here, I'm doing this, I'm living out a dream.
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So just being able to do everything essentially on that race team has
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fulfilled so many bucket list items, but has also helped me continue my career.
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I got a feeling it's created many more bucket list items as well.
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Plans.
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E, F, G, right?
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Yeah.
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There's a, there's a few more backups now.
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Tell me about your experience there in the pits during the race.
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Like how was that for you?
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For someone who's never seen it, only seen it from tv, like explain that to people
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and the thrill that there was with that.
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That was a wild weekend.
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So the truck race was on Friday, so we flew out Thursday at midnight.
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From Charlotte and landed in Dallas at about three, four o'clock.
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So it was late.
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We were all tired as all get out and we fell asleep.
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Woke up at like seven, 8:00 AM went down to the track and
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walked through those garages.
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We all see those Bob Ris tweets where it's, you know, sea of mechanics and
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engineers walking through the front gates.
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And I was like, okay.
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This is literally every crew chief and everybody who's important, all in
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one little gaggle around the garage.
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We all walked in, we went to our holler, unloaded all the pit equipment
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first, and then we unloaded our two trucks, the 43 and 33 for that weekend.
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Got everything kind of set up.
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Getting ready for tech.
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Tech was wild.
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I've never actually gone through tech before and it was just, you know, a
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long line with a bunch of people and you just kinda sat there and people would
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walk around, talk to you, say hi, and then you had to push the truck up like.
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25 degree incline to get it up on the second inspection.
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But like all good things, we failed the first time.
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We failed tech inspection the first time for a few different
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reasons, which we expected.
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You know, if your car doesn't pass the first or second time,
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you got a little bit of an issue.
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But if you failed the first time, you know it's something
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good, you got something going on.
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'cause if you're not cheating, you're not winning.
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We pushed through tech and then we kind of just chilled for a little bit.
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Texas Modus Speedway is a bit of a monster for the cruise because going from
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the garage to pit road, there's a hill.
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We don't turn the cars on for anything unless it's on track, so you can't
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just drive the car up the hill.
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We had to push that thing up 20 feet, the hill, and it's just
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a steady, kind all the way up.
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So they're not the heaviest things in the world as fast as they go.
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A brick and a half for sure.
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So we went through practice.
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Unfortunately, our 33 truck wrecked in his first lap of practice, and
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then our 43 truck had an unimproved adjustment that got disqualified.
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I think I'm not a hundred percent sure on that.
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So basically as soon as we were done with practice, we were all thrashing, welding,
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beaten body panels, straight rebuilding, basically the whole rear end of that race
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car to have at least one car in the race.
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We're all running on two, three hours of sleep, maybe a little
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more if you slept on the plane.
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It's Texas during the summer, so it's 110 degrees out.
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We're all sweating.
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We're just destroyed by the end of this thing.
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But we finally get it fixed.
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We get it going, and we run the race, and I think we finished like
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33rd or something, but it was such a sigh of relief when the car rolled
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off for the first time and we saw.
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Everybody just go by checking the speed stuff.
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There's so many things you miss on TV and there's so many things
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you miss when you're at the track.
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Being behind the scenes, having a crew shirt on, having those
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credentials, you see so much and it's something that I never want to
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forget and I want to continue to do.
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From your time with R B R, what would you say was one of the biggest things
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you learned from that experience?
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Just the never give up attitude of that whole team.
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They're an underfunded team.
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They had seven full-time employees when I was interning there, and they had
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eight interns, so the interns outmatched everybody who actually worked there.
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Since then, that's kind of changed and they've gone through some ups and downs.
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I've learned a couple things that I won't say on air because there are a
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couple things I like to keep to myself.
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See, you know, he is a car guy because once we figure out what that little thing
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is, we're not gonna share it with anybody.
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Yeah.
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Until we've beaten him six ways from Sunday to the next
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race, then it all gets exposed.
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Right.
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There's a few things that I've learned here and there a
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few things of what not to do.
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A few things of what to do, like team dynamic.
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Always be close to your employees and even if they're below you
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can't act like they're below you.
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Having that family atmosphere is just so important because I.
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I woke up on Saturday morning and I could not stand up, and I was like,
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how the heck did I get through it?
20:24
And it was just the positive reinforcement from everybody.
20:27
Like, get up and go do your job and do it right and get rewarded type things.
20:31
They were awesome guys, and I, I love every single one of them to death
20:35
because they're the ones that gave me my first shot and never gonna forget that.
20:39
Somewhere in the mix of all this, based on your time with R B R and you
20:43
had aspirations of being in nascar, now you're choosing maybe plan.
20:47
C.
20:47
D, or E, somewhere along those lines.
20:49
You've also changed the courses that you've taken there at
20:53
the University of Charlotte.
20:54
So let's talk about your university life a little bit.
20:57
You mentioned that you're in mechanical engineering, so how's that going?
21:00
Is that still plan C?
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Yeah, right now it's still plan C.
21:04
I'm gonna beat the horse to death on Plan A until it doesn't go anymore.
21:08
But you know, having that engineering degree, and I'm also going to dual enroll
21:13
as a communications student as well, be an engineer that can talk to people.
21:17
That's a very important thing, especially in the NASCAR and motorsports world.
21:22
Being able to communicate what you wanna do and being able to.
21:27
Also have the know-how to do it is something that is insurmountable
21:31
when it comes to any motor sports, but especially nascar.
21:35
So what's the good and the bad of the ME E program?
21:38
It's a hard program.
21:40
Not a lot of people get in it.
21:41
It's one of the highest contested programs at U N C C because we're
21:45
all here for the same reason.
21:46
20% of NASCAR engineers, NASCAR crew, and NASCAR crew chiefs.
21:50
Come from U N C C.
21:51
If you have a degree from here, you're most likely going
21:54
into a motor sports program.
21:56
Having that good G P A getting through the classes, you gotta
21:59
be pretty darn good at math.
22:01
It's pretty math heavy.
22:02
I think I get all the way up to calculus four or something like that.
22:05
It's kind of ridiculous.
22:06
There's math that looks more like English sometimes, so having that
22:10
competitive attitude, not taking a failure as a failure, but a
22:14
learning experience, and then.
22:16
Finding ways to make a really hard degree a little bit easier is
22:19
definitely advice and the good and bad.
22:22
Well, I'm sure especially with NASCAR there in North Carolina, that's like
22:25
the heart of where NASCAR began, so I'm sure that's why everybody wants to be
22:28
involved in that flocks to that areas.
22:30
Mooresville is known as nascar.
22:32
U Ss a, right?
22:33
Yeah.
22:33
Motorsports, U Ss a Mooresville, Concord.
22:36
Even Statesville.
22:37
There's shops all over the place in North Carolina.
22:40
It's like you can't go.
22:41
More than 20 miles without seeing a, a little interstate sign with
22:45
a Motorsports facility somewhere.
22:47
I mean, you've got Hendrick Motorsports, track House, and Rush
22:51
Fenway Klowski, all within about five or 10 miles of the U N C C campus.
22:56
Charlotte Motor Speedway's five miles.
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Then you go to Mooresville, junior Motorsports, Joe Gibbs,
23:02
RBR R's in Mooresville as well.
23:03
Further out in Welcome North Carolina.
23:05
You've got your RRCs, your Petty G m s.
23:08
Wood Brothers is in Mooresville too.
23:10
So there's a whole bunch of teams, both Truck, Xfinity Cup,
23:14
even late models and legends.
23:15
They're all over the place here.
23:17
I grew up watching a lot of Monster Truck stuff and I know Dennis Anderson
23:20
has hit his shop for the Grave Digger down there in North Carolina.
23:22
Is that anywhere near Charlotte?
23:24
It's about six hours from here.
23:26
It's funny you bring that up 'cause I've got a couple Monster Jam stories as well.
23:30
Growing up in Florida.
23:31
They would go to Raymond James Stadium, it would always rain.
23:33
The best mud shows of the year would happen in Tampa and year after
23:38
year after year for my birthday.
23:39
It would always happen around the same time.
23:41
So we'd go watch the Monster Jam show and then one year.
23:45
For some reason we came up to North Carolina and we went to their shop
23:48
up in, I think it's Kitty Hawk, and we walked in and this is, I don't
23:53
know, 2010, maybe 2009, and there's a smaller version of Ryan and Kristen
24:00
Anderson and Adam Anderson all.
24:02
Out front running this RC car all around and we walk in and Dennis is just sitting
24:07
there and we had lunch with all of them.
24:08
It was just one of those weird meeting your hero moments because I,
24:12
I absolutely loved the grave digger truck and I continue to follow that,
24:16
but I'm more of a son of a digger now.
24:17
I like that blue paint scheme.
24:19
That blue paint scheme's got a special place in my heart.
24:22
But no, the black and green wrecking machine bad to the bone all the way
24:25
through gotta be some of the best moments.
24:28
And there was a point in time where I wanted to be a monster
24:30
truck driver, and then I realized those hits are pretty hard, so it
24:34
might not be the best case for me.
24:38
So that is not a plan on the list of plans.
24:40
That is not a plan.
24:41
It would be a cool experience, but definitely not something that
24:45
I'm going to actively pursue.
24:47
So what are your thoughts on programs like Formula S A e I was part of Formula s a e
24:52
last year and a little bit of this year.
24:54
I love those guys too.
24:56
Great hands-on experience, building more open wheel type cars, but there's
25:00
still some things that definitely transfer over and it's a huge resume
25:04
builder saying that you were part of a S A E program, being able to.
25:08
Continue with that program, be a team lead, even a driver.
25:12
It gives you so much more notoriety than somebody with a piece of paper
25:16
saying they know how to do math.
25:17
Kind of broadening your horizons throughout college, finding things
25:20
that you might not think can connect to the world that you wanna be in.
25:24
You wouldn't think an open wheel race car would connect to a NASCAR team, but.
25:28
Building that race car.
25:30
They now know you have fabrication skills, the mechanical engineering needed
25:34
for it, and the communications and team working skills to be able to work with
25:37
the team and also help build a race car.
25:41
Are you aware of formula Baja?
25:42
I am aware.
25:43
Unfortunately, U N C C doesn't have a formula Baja.
25:47
Right now they used to, it seems like every meeting we have, somebody calls out,
25:52
bring back Baja, so it might come back.
25:55
I'm not sure, but I do know of it and I've watched some
25:58
wild YouTube videos of it too.
26:00
So what types of motorsports organizations or clubs are you involved with currently?
26:03
Right now it's a little bit of that s a E program and then.
26:09
Majority focus is managing the iRacing team for the Niner
26:13
eSports program that we have here.
26:15
Being in Charlotte have, have you been to the NASCAR Hall of Fame?
26:18
Oh yeah.
26:18
It seems like I'm there every other month.
26:20
I love their simulators.
26:22
I love the history of it, and every time somebody's visiting here,
26:25
I always wanna take 'em there.
26:26
It's like my Disney World.
26:28
It's that feel that you're surrounded by history and it's also kind of a goal.
26:32
You know, not a lot of people get to go into the NASCAR Hall
26:35
of Fame and be inducted and it's always that Shoot for the stars
26:38
and you'll hit the moon type deal.
26:40
Say you're going into the Hall of Fame, maybe you might end up in a seat.
26:43
You never know, but I.
26:44
I always like to tell myself walking through the doors one day I'll be
26:48
there for a different reason, but for now, I, I enjoy it as a tourist
26:52
and a motorsports connoisseur.
26:55
Well, it's time we switch gears and we need to talk about one of your other
26:58
favorite topics, which is sim racing.
27:01
Thanks to Covid Sim racing in all its different forms, quickly became 10 times
27:07
more popular than it ever had been, and it still seems to be on the rise.
27:12
So let's get some of your thoughts.
27:14
That kind of explosion in 2020 and 2021 was a weird.
27:18
Shift in the iRacing world, we were always big and we always had our big events.
27:23
You know, the Koch series, which used to be the peak series and the
27:27
NASCAR realm of iRacing always had big prize pools and stuff like that.
27:31
But once they did the Pro Invitational and nationally televised it, All of
27:35
these cup drivers, indie car drivers, all these guys were getting on the sim.
27:40
It really made it less of a game for the general public and made it
27:45
known that this isn't something you just mess around with on a Sunday
27:48
night because you think you can.
27:50
This is something that people use and people are able to do as a tool, and
27:54
it gives you that experience without actually having to do anything.
27:58
Personally, iRacing is still the best sim out there.
28:00
The quality of their updates and things like that.
28:03
Second to none in my book.
28:04
I like how the physics work, how it feels, how it drives, what I can feel
28:08
through the steering wheel and pedals.
28:10
I like their NASCAR program and their road course stuff as well.
28:14
But I know there's a couple things that we don't have.
28:16
We don't have rain, we don't have flat spotting tires.
28:19
We know those are coming and we know that they'll be top class once they get here.
28:23
There's a whole bunch of different avenues to go, but I try to stay away from things
28:27
like Ran Ismo or Forza, and I know that might hurt a little bit for some people,
28:32
but I don't like that arcade feel anymore.
28:35
I like being able to feel the car and understand the car and not
28:38
just slamming the joystick left and right or not being able to feel
28:42
through the steering wheel for me.
28:43
iRacing is definitely still number one on my list.
28:47
We're still.
28:48
Skyrocketing in players and new accounts, rejoining accounts, and laps turned.
28:53
I think we turned the 5000000000th lap on iRacing a couple months ago, and that
28:59
number is just gonna continue to rise.
29:01
With our most recent update.
29:03
We had the, I think a Reno Cleo.
29:05
A Formula Ford 1600 and then the new late model stock car just came down, so
29:12
I know there's gonna be a lot of people running it at the point of recording.
29:16
Having been in motorsports for a long time and coming up through
29:21
the video game generation myself.
29:23
Pretty much born with a controller in my hand.
29:25
I've seen the evolution of video games, and we've had other people on
29:29
the show to talk about that and where the future is, and they're like, all
29:31
right, old man screaming at the clouds, you know, what do you talk about?
29:34
I'm like, look, I've been here since the beginning.
29:37
I think the biggest complaints, those of us that have experienced on track
29:40
with sim racing say, is, It doesn't translate driving with your eyes,
29:44
despite even the best, most expensive rig doesn't feel like being in the car.
29:49
You don't have the G-force, you don't have the lateral forces.
29:51
You don't have any of this kind of stuff.
29:53
And you see some of these extremely complicated rigs where they're bouncing
29:56
up and down and doing all this gyroscopic stuff and you're like, cars don't do that.
30:00
They just, they don't, Eric, I know how technically minded you are and having
30:05
the amount of experience you have in cars, like I do it myself and I'm not
30:08
near as experienced on track as you are, but I'll notice playing certain
30:11
simulators or games, it's like, yeah, that doesn't feel like it would in real life.
30:15
So I wonder if a lot of the young guys your age, Brock, that haven't
30:18
had much seat time in real cars aren't able to pick up on that and what
30:23
you guys consider to be more legit.
30:24
I'm curious if you would get more seat time if you would start to be like,
30:27
That's not actually how this happens.
30:29
That's kind of how it would work.
30:31
If I had actual experience behind the wheel of a car, I could feel what
30:34
the car is supposed to feel like.
30:36
And like I was saying earlier, I don't have experience behind
30:39
the wheel of a real race car.
30:40
I have go-kart experience, but we don't have go-karts, so I can't say.
30:44
Yeah, that's exactly like the go-kart.
30:46
I'm driving a cup cart.
30:47
I don't know what that feels like.
30:49
I know what it looks like.
30:50
It feels like.
30:50
I know what that independent rear suspension should do based off
30:54
of working on it, but I don't know what it actually does.
30:58
So I'm sure that there's a difference in the real versus sim, and I'm sure that
31:03
with more real world time behind the wheel of a race car, any race car, I'd
31:07
be able to pick up on those differences, whether subtle or drastic, and go,
31:12
Hey, that's not at all what that feels like or, Yeah, that's pretty similar.
31:16
With more time behind the wheel, I'd maybe lose my rose colored lenses, but right now
31:23
it's the best thing since sliced bread.
31:25
'cause I don't know any better.
31:27
But it brings up a real life question.
31:29
I'm sure you've raced Seabring many times.
31:32
I racing, but you've been at Sebring in a race car.
31:36
How does it really compare?
31:38
Memories are a little fuzzy, but I do remember a lot of the bumps and a lot of
31:41
the corners and a lot of stuff like that.
31:43
Unfortunately, iRacing doesn't have a street spec, Porsche nine 11 that
31:47
I can just rip around there, but it does a pretty darn good job.
31:51
Yeah, the graphics of some of the peripherals aren't great.
31:55
And the people look like they're from a Nintendo 64 game.
31:58
The drivability of the track, the aggressiveness of those curbs that
32:02
are there, they're pretty spot on.
32:04
In my opinion.
32:05
Sunset is the Bumpiest corner in the world in real life, and it's
32:08
the Bumpiest corner in I racing too.
32:11
Most of my experience at Sebring is in a hypercar or a hybrid, so it's a little bit
32:16
of a different world just in that sense.
32:19
Personally, I was able to jump in sim and know my lines and know my
32:22
breaking points and know things like that just based on that experience
32:26
I had, you know, 10, 15 years ago.
32:28
The upside is when it comes to training guys that have been on simulators, you
32:32
know where the turns go, so I don't have to tell you that the next turn at v i R
32:37
is a left to be like, wait, it's a left.
32:39
It's very different when you're training people that haven't had
32:42
the lapse, but the one thing.
32:44
I've experienced with people that have come from simulators, they learn quickly,
32:48
but when they get out of the car, they're like, that's nothing like what I expected.
32:52
That's usually the response I get from my students that have never
32:56
really driven on track before.
32:57
I try not to take everything literal when I'm driving the race car, I try
33:02
to know the line in a little bit of the tendency with the physics engine,
33:05
but I know it's not real and I know that air moves how air wants to
33:08
move, and it's not something that.
33:10
We can code to move how it should because it's not always the same.
33:15
So I think learning the tracks that I've never driven before,
33:18
like I'm in Charlotte, I've never lived in Virginia, so I have no
33:22
idea what Virginia looks like.
33:23
And I don't know what V R R looks like.
33:26
But I ran a hybrid race at V I R a month ago, so I know what the track
33:30
looks like and I know how to drive it, and I know that I should be set
33:34
up on the wide side coming and turned one so I can get a good run into turn.
33:38
Two.
33:38
It's knowing the feel of the track so you can go on there and not have that.
33:43
Oh my gosh.
33:43
Oh my gosh.
33:43
Oh my gosh.
33:44
I'm driving a race car on a racetrack, driving a race car.
33:46
Don't mess up.
33:46
Don't mess up.
33:47
You can be confident in having the mental stability so you can work on the physical.
33:51
There's a give and take even in real life, you know?
33:53
Absolutely.
33:53
I wish I could do what I do in the sim world, but you can't.
33:56
Right.
33:56
Some of it is, it feels like cheating physics and whatnot.
33:59
That actually begs the question too, about the discipline of motorsport
34:04
you're focused on in the sim world, and I think it's an overarching
34:08
conversation about the most popular.
34:11
Disciplines inside of iRacing and that I still think is asphalt oval.
34:16
Right?
34:16
Absolutely.
34:17
The NASCAR and the short track community in iRacing is one of the biggest
34:21
in any form of motor sport because it is so limited everywhere else.
34:26
You've got the NASCAR heat games in the NASCAR ignition games that
34:31
are coming out, which are widely.
34:33
Dislike.
34:34
I hate to say it because I know people spend time and money and work on those
34:38
as their blood, sweat, and tears, but they're not what they used to be.
34:42
And people are starting to see that and starting to search for something
34:45
to really figure out what they want.
34:47
If they want to go into a sports car realm or a dirt realm,
34:50
or stay in the asphalt realm.
34:52
So I think they come to iRacing, they see that we've got almost every
34:56
generation of stock car from the 1987.
34:59
For Thunderbird Buick and Chevy Impala, or it's the Monte Carlo, excuse me.
35:04
And then you've got the old cots, the gen sixes, and now the new next
35:09
gens with the Xfinity Series, the Cup Series and the Trek series.
35:14
And then you've got all of your short track stuff, your legends cars, your
35:17
silver crown cars, street stocks.
35:20
We've got all those different.
35:22
Professions of oval racing, people start to go to that because, oh,
35:26
it's the car I run in real life.
35:28
At the track I run in real life.
35:30
Let me go work on that.
35:31
I know there's a few guys that are going to Southern national that are
35:34
running southern national with this new late model car because they can't
35:38
get practice time at the actual track.
35:40
There's a lot of exclusivity with the oval racing side of it because
35:44
we can't really go anywhere else.
35:46
A c C doesn't have any oval stuff.
35:48
There's no outlet for us.
35:50
So we all come here and we all have fun and bash and wreck and
35:54
flip and all that kind stuff, but we also take it very seriously.
35:58
The money's good in here.
35:59
If you can get to the top 40 in the NASCAR side, you can join the Coke series, which
36:03
has a hundred thousand dollars prize pool at the end of the season, plus you get a.
36:08
Big trophy at the end of it too, so that's pretty good.
36:10
It all comes down to how much time are you willing to spend on it, and how
36:13
much time do you have to spend on it, because it takes a lot to get to that
36:17
point, and it takes a lot of effort to get good enough to get to there.
36:21
For people that are looking to get into it, is there a used market out there?
36:25
Would you tell them to potentially go buy something used or, or do you
36:29
recommend buy a new right off the bat?
36:30
Especially if you haven't done it before?
36:32
So iRacing can be a monthly, yearly, bimonthly try monthly subscription
36:37
if you're gonna try iRacing.
36:39
You buy the $13 monthly subscription for one month.
36:43
You go out to your retro gaming store or eBay or something and you find
36:47
a cheap wheel that has some force feedback with pedals, and you slap that
36:52
sucker on your desk and you download Ira saying, You got a 50 to $60 piece
36:57
right there and you understand what you like about it, what you don't like
37:00
about it, and then figure out if that's something you want to continue doing
37:03
and continue working on throughout your, I guess, career we can call it.
37:08
But I wouldn't go full bore and just dump a bunch of money into it.
37:11
Money doesn't necessarily buy performance and buys comfort in this realm.
37:15
Of course, there's things that will help you.
37:17
A direct drive wheel helps, and the vibrating pedals help being able to catch
37:22
things that you wouldn't be able to do.
37:23
Through your head and headset and through looking at the screen, but it's not
37:27
something you need right off the bat.
37:29
That's something you need after you've perfected your racecraft,
37:32
your lines and kind of understand the race engine that you are using.
37:36
If you don't get totally frustrated and cancel your
37:38
subscription before that point.
37:40
Yes, exactly.
37:43
There's another side to this.
37:44
It's kind of an interesting side.
37:45
When you look at eSports as a whole, sort of, as a, either a profession
37:49
or even as a sport itself, there's an actual debate as to whether or not sim
37:53
racing is even considered an eSport.
37:56
Because motor sports, a lot of times is not considered a sport.
38:00
So when you look at the list of the top 10 in 2023, eSports,
38:05
I'll read off the titles here.
38:07
None of these, in my opinion, are sports at all.
38:09
We've got things like League of Legends, go to two Counterstrike, Fortnite, call
38:13
of Duty, Overwatch, Valant, rainbow Six, rocket League, and Hearthstone.
38:17
Nowhere on that list.
38:18
Is iRacing.
38:19
Why?
38:20
You know, it's such an interesting question because just in our experience
38:25
at Niner eSports, our iRacing program is our youngest program.
38:29
We didn't have an iRacing program up until November, so this is all a very
38:34
new program for them, and it was a new world that they didn't know about.
38:37
Most of that is just look at your mainstream media.
38:41
It's Call of Duty, Valant League of Legends.
38:43
Those are your more widespread known titles.
38:47
There's skill involved with it, but it's less of a learning curve and
38:50
more of a point and shoot, or there's strategies that everybody knows.
38:54
I racing or sim racing in general is something that takes time to understand
39:00
and time to learn, rather than picking up a controller and playing through a
39:05
couple levels and then knowing what to do.
39:07
I racing and sim racing in general is a hundred percent in eSport.
39:11
We've got some of the bigger competitions.
39:14
We've got some of the bigger traction when it comes to what we're aligned with.
39:19
But I will say, I don't know if you guys saw this, so they came out with this E
39:23
Olympics and there's nowhere on there.
39:25
Is any of those 10 games?
39:27
There's no League of Legends, no Call of Duty, no Overwatch, no Valant.
39:31
In those E Olympics.
39:32
Well, why is that?
39:33
Because they're doing all these sports titles.
39:36
Of course, they have to choose Grand Primo as the SIM racing representative, which
39:41
I was a grand tri kid growing up, raced a lot of that, and I love the titles, but
39:45
they're not as good as a set of Corsa or.
39:47
I racing.
39:48
So they could have probably done something with iRacing or a set of Corsa, but
39:53
we're represented in the e Olympics, which, who knows how that's gonna be?
39:56
So I think we're getting more and more recognition and representation.
40:01
Covid helped, wasn't a great point in our history, but it definitely
40:05
helped a lot in the sim racing and the eSports world in general.
40:09
So hopefully one day we'll be up there.
40:11
But I think there's just such a saturation of those 10 games.
40:15
You can say, call of Duty and everybody's played a Call of Duty game.
40:18
You can talk about that with a bunch of people.
40:21
So I think it's just there's so much saturation of those.
40:24
Titles out there that it's hard for other titles like iRacing or a
40:28
set of Corsa to kind of catch up.
40:30
So you mentioned something earlier about getting ready for these races,
40:34
and we had this conversation back in season one when we had Tucker
40:37
Boner, who most people may know and recognized from Twitch as Jericho.
40:42
He was also on chasing the crown on Amazon Prime.
40:44
And so we discussed this with him and he said, you know, going
40:47
into eSports and doing this professionally, there's a lot of.
40:51
Actual conditioning and training that has to occur.
40:54
So what do you do to physically prepare for some of these races?
40:58
I mean, a lot of people will say that there's 90% mental and a 10%
41:01
physical attribute to sim racing because you are staring at a screen
41:05
knowing that there's no physical thing that's going to happen to you.
41:09
But you know that if you do one wrong move, your entire race is over.
41:14
Physically, we just run laps constantly.
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I'll use, for example, our Daytona 24.
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Attempt that we did for about a month and a half.
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I did nothing but the Daytona Road course in that B M W V eight hybrid.
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That was the only thing I ran for a month and a half on iRacing, putting in
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laps and laps and laps, understanding the car, understanding the track,
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understanding how to deal with traffic, both getting past and passing slower cars.
41:37
Physical side of it is just muscle memory.
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When you're driving a race that long, or any race, you don't
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wanna second guess yourself.
41:44
When you fly into the bus stop or when you go around turn one at Bristol,
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you don't wanna second guess yourself.
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That should be second nature.
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You want to be able to think about what the person in front of you is
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gonna do, what the person behind you is gonna do, where are you
41:58
on the track, that kind of thing.
41:59
So physically it's.
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Learning the track, learning the car, being comfortable enough that you can
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put yourself in some sticky situations.
42:07
Kind of that mental aspect is just putting yourself in those
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mentally strenuous places.
42:12
When you're three wide, on the bottom in Talladega, or three wide in the middle
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at Talladega, you've gotta put yourself in some really crappy positions and
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you've gotta make a lot of mistakes.
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To be able to trust yourself enough to go three wide, go four wide, go around
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the outside, do random moves that would help you win races and stuff like that.
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And that's something that comes with time.
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I'm not even going to lie to you guys.
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I'm not there yet.
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I second guess myself all the time because I've done some bonehead
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moves and wrecked a bunch of people.
42:44
There's always that doubt.
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You've kind of gotta quiet those inner voices of doubt and be able
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to lock in and just focus solely on your car and understand that
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you can only control your race.
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So most of it's a mental training, I guess reaction times.
42:59
Just throw a ball around every once in a while.
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I don't know it.
43:03
It's sim racing.
43:05
Well that's funny you say that.
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'cause back in our day, us old guys here, Dan and I remember, you know the
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land parties and we would get our case of balls guana, remember that stuff?
43:15
So there's a whole nutrition aspect.
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Back to this too.
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And there's a lot of things you have to look at in terms of repetitive
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stress conditions, fatigue, you know, mental duress, things like that.
43:26
And so what do you do again, on that physical side?
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How do you change your diet?
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Do you work out, you know, how do you get prepped for these longer races?
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I try to work out every other couple of days.
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I'm not a huge gym rat.
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I'm five foot four and 125 pounds, so there's not much of me to go around
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in the physical side of the world.
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Go to the gym, lift some weights.
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Your arms are gonna be just dead by the time you're done
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with a couple hours of racing.
43:52
For our Daytona 24, I ran the second most out of our six drivers,
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and I ran four and a half hours.
43:59
I think by the end of that, my legs were shot, my arms were shot, and
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I didn't have everything turned up.
44:04
I had everything kind of turned down to where I could
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be comfortable for that long.
44:08
So just putting yourself in an uncomfortable position, like holding a.
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10 pound dumbbell in front of your face for five, 10 minutes.
44:15
Just having that endurance, not necessarily raw strength,
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but the endurance, getting as much sleep as you can.
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The team that we ran with, their team captain and I stayed up
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basically 12 hours each for that.
44:28
We didn't take care of ourselves as well as we should have, but being able
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to just push through the tiredness, not make those mistakes, and just.
44:36
Be able to understand what your body is telling you and what you
44:39
can do, because if you push yourself too hard, you're gonna start making
44:42
mistakes and you're gonna cost not only yourself, but the team, an
44:45
opportunity monster or Red Bull, neither.
44:47
Actually, I'm not a energy drink guy.
44:50
I try to stay away from the caffeine just because my body decides that
44:54
it's gonna go on a huge spike.
44:56
Like five minutes and then it just plummets within 10 or 15.
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So it doesn't work for me.
45:01
I try to just stay hydrated.
45:02
Gatorade, right now we're drinking the body armors.
45:06
Those are pretty good, but I can't drink a lot of them.
45:08
Basically two bottles of water and a Gatorade for when I'm not in the car.
45:12
And then I'll have a, a water bottle with a hole poked in it when I'm driving.
45:16
If we wanted to get somebody convinced to come over to SIM racing, to get
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away from what we call the Sim Cs, like Forza and Grant Smo and some of the
45:24
other games, how would you convince someone to become part of eSports?
45:29
How would you tell them that it's just not another video game?
45:31
I wouldn't say a darn thing.
45:33
I'd put 'em in front of the wheel and tell 'em to.
45:35
Try and drive it.
45:36
That was the fun thing for me.
45:38
We announced the iRacing team to the Niner eSports programs and the U N C
45:43
C, and then we had a LAN event two or three weeks after, and I brought my sim
45:47
ring and my computer and all of that.
45:49
I brought everything there.
45:50
I ran laps and people said, oh, I could do that.
45:53
And I said, really?
45:54
Go right ahead.
45:55
And every person that said, I could do that, couldn't do it.
45:58
Proving somebody that it's more than just an arcade game, that
46:01
it's harder than you think.
46:02
The guys that go, oh, I played Forza and I played Grand Tribo, that's great, but
46:07
you haven't run a simulator yet, so come on down, sit in the sim and experience it.
46:12
If it's something that you laugh at or have fun with,
46:15
then you're hooked from there.
46:17
Explaining it is such a hard thing to do when somebody already has it
46:20
in their head that it's just a video game, that they don't understand
46:24
that these are broadcasted events, that there's leagues, that there's
46:27
cash prizes involved with this.
46:30
They have to do it themselves.
46:31
They have to try it, and I'm not saying going out and spending
46:34
that money or maybe spend a small amount of money for it by yourself.
46:37
The Daytona and the arc of car, if you're a NASCAR person and run that.
46:42
Those are great cars to run on that track.
46:44
13 bucks, run it and see if you like it.
46:47
If you're in the Charlotte area, go to the Hall of Fame race,
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iRacing at the Hall of Fame.
46:51
They give you that opportunity.
46:53
It shows you what iRacing can be.
46:56
You can't explain it because it's something that is so skewed in the minds
47:00
of people that don't know about it.
47:02
It's just fake news basically.
47:05
When somebody who hasn't tried it talks about it, so.
47:07
Go ahead and try it first.
47:09
See what you can do with it.
47:10
See if you like it, and if not, then it's not for you.
47:13
But if you do like it, then you found yourself a fun little sim to run on.
47:18
When we spoke to you originally and you sent over the link for the Twitch stream
47:22
that you guys had for the race just prior to that, I went on watched it and with the
47:26
exception of the graphics being obviously, you know, very video game, it was
47:30
seriously like sitting in front of the tv.
47:33
Watching a NASCAR race on a Sunday with the commentating,
47:36
with watching the different views from the different cars and stuff.
47:39
I was very impressed with how well that was done.
47:41
Everybody on iRacing tries to treat it as more than just a game.
47:45
If you say it's just a video game, bro, on the iRacing chats, people will start light
47:50
you up because it's not a video game.
47:52
Never say it's a video game to somebody who is a hardcore I racer.
47:56
'cause you will never speak to them again because it is not a
48:00
video game, it's a simulator.
48:02
As a generalization, it is a video game.
48:04
It's something that you play on a PC with video game materials, but it's a tool
48:10
to help simulations and stuff like that.
48:12
But we try to keep it as professional as we can, especially on the
48:15
broadcasts and things like that.
48:17
So having that professionalism, that TV feel like you're watching a late
48:21
model stock race on a Wednesday night.
48:24
That's what we're trying to do.
48:25
So for the podcast that you co-host, uh, press Box Motorsport
48:28
Podcast, what's it about?
48:30
How often do you guys release it?
48:31
Why should people tune into it?
48:32
And are there any upcoming spoilers?
48:34
The Press Box Motorsports Podcast is a podcast that is hosted by
48:39
Charles Wooten and I from L S R tv.
48:42
We mostly talk about the sim racing world and we dabble a
48:45
little bit in the real racing.
48:48
People should tune in to see the news and the.
48:51
Different leagues and events that not only L S RT V is hosting, but also iRacing
48:56
itself, myself, being not only a team manager but also a racer will, you'll
49:01
get inside scoops on different types of leagues that my team is running in.
49:05
And then also some special guests.
49:07
I think our next guest, uh, is a Coke series driver, so a professional driver
49:12
who got his first win on Daytona, so be on the lookout for that one.
49:16
He is also a team member of the Niner eSports program as well.
49:20
So we do a thing or two about the real world stuff, but it's
49:24
mainly a sim racing podcast.
49:25
Well, speaking of which, what is next for Brock?
49:28
Yeah, so it, it's funny you guys ask that because I'm actually going
49:32
up to the Jordan Anderson racing shop up in Statesville, which we've
49:35
been in talks for a few weeks now, and most likely working with them,
49:40
working with their 31 Xfinity program.
49:43
Which is another reason why Chevy's, my favorite manufacturer,
49:47
being able to work with them.
49:48
I'll, I'll take more of an engineer role, higher data, keeping everything sorted at
49:53
the shop, uh, making sure everybody knows their inventory and things like that.
49:57
And then working closely with their crew chief for the 31 on Race notes
50:01
setups throughout the weekend.
50:03
Well.
50:03
Brock, it's come to that point in the show where we've run out of plans and
50:08
we need to know if you have any shout outs, promotions, or anything else you'd
50:12
like to share that we didn't cover.
50:13
Yeah, of course.
50:14
I've got a shout out my mom and dad for always supporting me and
50:18
getting me to where I am now.
50:19
You can find me at Brockton P on Instagram.
50:23
On Twitter, it's Brockton Packard, and then on Twitch, it's Brockton P 24 for all
50:28
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50:30
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50:33
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50:37
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50:40
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50:44
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50:47
Tune into his podcast, the Press Box Motorsports podcast everywhere.
50:50
You listen to all your podcasts or chat with him on the GTM Discord
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server and tune into his races via live streams at Twitch tv slash.
50:59
Brockton P 24.
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Brock, I can't thank you enough for coming on Break Fixx, having
51:03
a healthy debate about sim racing and eSports, but also sharing your
51:08
plans for your future with us.
51:10
They're very well thought out and we wish you the best of luck.
51:12
And I hope one day you look back like Hannibal from the A team with
51:16
the cigar and your mouth and say, I love 'em when a plan comes together.
51:22
Hey, man, it's, it's been a great time and I'm so thankful for you guys having me
51:26
on here and yeah, it was super fun, guys.
51:28
That's the plan, and he's sticking to it.
51:30
Yeah, man, I, I got a plan for everything.
51:39
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