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NPCs, Neologisms, and the Magic of Human Experience · I Hate Talking

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  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 44 of I Hate Talking.
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  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
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  I Hate Talking: There are a lot, but I really enjoy sitting here talking with you.
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  I Hate Talking: Precisely, so we're going to pick up on some of the things that we did not get to in our last episode since we sort of just went -- all over the place with a variety of -- topics we were talking about.
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  I Hate Talking: We were talking about, but I feel like we Went into a space of perhaps.
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  I Hate Talking: First person first person desires and like what drives a person and sort of what they desire in terms of human interaction so.
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  I Hate Talking: That's fine.
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  I Hate Talking: It's probably is part of the human experience -- that we can a -- major part of the human experience.
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  I Hate Talking: I would argue that everyone.
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  I Hate Talking: Almost everyone has first person syndrome.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, that is sort of the point of Saunder is that everyone considers themselves as the primary character, so.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess it was related after all.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
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  I Hate Talking: So our word or phrase of this episode.
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  I Hate Talking: Is NPC because that was an extra topic we, we're going to talk about last time, but we did not get to, didn't even mention it, in fact.
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  I Hate Talking: But before we get to that particular word or phrase, NPC we will talk about Neologism because the word sonder is a neologism and we did not define that in our previous episode.
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  I Hate Talking: So we want to do that very briefly here in terms of what neologism is.
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  I Hate Talking: I've been on pins and needles waiting for this.
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  I Hate Talking: So, neologism.
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  I Hate Talking: Is actually not a neologism.
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  I Hate Talking: Because neologism is a newly coined word or expression.
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  I Hate Talking: And it does not necessarily have any particular etymology.
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  I Hate Talking: It's not used in previous decades or centuries and sort of evolves over time.
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  I Hate Talking: It is simply a brand new word or phrase.
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  I Hate Talking: Now, the interesting thing about neologism is that neologism is based on a variety of root words, neo and logos.
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  I Hate Talking: So logos being related to word and Neo being related to new, so it literally means new word neologism.
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  I Hate Talking: All right.
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  I Hate Talking: So, there you have it.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know if it's Greek or Latin, Greek is the answer.
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  I Hate Talking: Logos.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, that makes sense.
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  I Hate Talking: Greek is logos.
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  I Hate Talking: So, it's a new word, a new compound word put together in the Greek.
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  I Hate Talking: What makes like the word a word?
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  I Hate Talking: Like, why is this a new word?
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  I Hate Talking: Does it makes sense to say new word.
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  I Hate Talking: -- So neologism is not the new -- word.
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  I Hate Talking: Neologism is an old word based on etymology of new and logos or based on neo and logos, literally new word.
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  I Hate Talking: But Saunder is a neologism because it just basically was coined by that particular author that we talked about last time.
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  I Hate Talking: So is it thinking of like a subcategories like this word neo how do you say it, neo neologism neologism.
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  I Hate Talking: is a new word that was subcategories now of words in our modern day vernacular that we use.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm confused on what you're asking.
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  I Hate Talking: Are you asking if neologism is I thought you said that was a new word.
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  I Hate Talking: Literally it means new word but it itself is not a new word.
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  I Hate Talking: It is simply used as a word to describe new words.
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  I Hate Talking: Oh man, this is OK, so, but so this word's been around for centuries.
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  I Hate Talking: So it actually has been around 4 centuries.
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  I Hate Talking: It was used in the early 1800s.
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  I Hate Talking: Now it does become more prevalently used in the early 2000s.
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  I Hate Talking: So it does gain more usage over time, when we look at our favorite Google Ngram viewer, but.
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  I Hate Talking: Neologism is by no means a new word.
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  I Hate Talking: It simply describes new words that come out of nowhere.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, so I misunderstood earlier when you were like, it's a new word.
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  I Hate Talking: I thought you meant like.
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  I Hate Talking: It came into our modern day vernacular recently, but you're just saying it means new word.
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  I Hate Talking: Correct.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So, sonder is a new word that has come into the vernacular as of 2012, and that is a neologism, but neologism is not a neologism.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm following now.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm tracking now.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm on the train.
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  I Hate Talking: All right, we're on the neologism train.
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  I Hate Talking: So our official word or phrase of the episode that we decided to make a word or phrase of the episode because we didn't talk about it last time, is NPC.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So NPC is an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So, NPC non.
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  I Hate Talking: Player computer.
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  I Hate Talking: No, NCPA wait, now I'm a computer player.
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  I Hate Talking: Wait.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: Go ahead and tell us.
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  I Hate Talking: So that's interesting because you may have been getting at.
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  I Hate Talking: The way that this particular acronym NPC is used, the actual letters NPC.
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  I Hate Talking: Non-player character.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, OK, right?
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  I Hate Talking: Is that what you mean?
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  I Hate Talking: So That is what seems to be the typical definition of NPC.
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  I Hate Talking: If somebody had asked me before I had done the research for this particular episode, I would have said non-playable character.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, but what it is is it's the computer playing, right?
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  I Hate Talking: Like, if you're playing a video game, it's the computer playing against you.
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  I Hate Talking: Or with you or with you, yes, but it's a non-player.
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  I Hate Talking: It's not a real player or not playable like you said.
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  I Hate Talking: I guess that makes sense too.
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  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
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  I Hate Talking: So, based on some of the research, there may have been some overlap here.
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  I Hate Talking: And it's hard to get the results from the Ngram viewer for this particular phrase.
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  I Hate Talking: One, because I think that NPC is actually used within the normal vernacular and it's not really spelled out, as well as the fact that this is hyphenated, so that sort of messes up the Ngram viewer in terms of where it picks up this phrase.
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  I Hate Talking: And the phrase non-playable.
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  I Hate Talking: Character actually.
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  I Hate Talking: Sort of trends with non-player character for the last.
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  I Hate Talking: Maybe 10 to 15 years ago, and then for the last 5 years, non-player character spikes and non-playable character sort of just flat lines.
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  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
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  I Hate Talking: So only in the last 5 years, which would make sense because my kids are getting into the video game era.
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  I Hate Talking: And they talk about that.
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  I Hate Talking: I've never been a video game person.
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  I Hate Talking: So it makes sense.
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  I Hate Talking: I would think of it as a non-player, but isn't that similar non-player versus nonplayable.
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  I Hate Talking: It has to be non, if it is non-playable, then there's has to be a non-player.
• 9:28
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, and I think that's actually perhaps what I observe and even have experiences that.
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  I Hate Talking: In the quote unquote early years of Computer Intelligence in terms of controlling a character that is non-playable or a non-player is that.
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  I Hate Talking: In the early years, you would sort of customize your character.
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  I Hate Talking: You may do different things to outfit it with certain abilities or attributes and that.
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  I Hate Talking: The other characters within the game.
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  I Hate Talking: That may not even be really part of the experience.
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  I Hate Talking: They this may be, may be part of cut scenes or whatnot.
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  I Hate Talking: You can't choose to be them nor make your character look like them.
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  I Hate Talking: So they are a non-playable character.
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  I Hate Talking: You can't play as that character, whereas in more of the modern day.
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  I Hate Talking: With artificial intelligence and these characters actually being more of a part of the game, that they might be on your same team or they may be an enemy that you have to overcome in the particular video game that they are a non-player character because they are not being controlled by a human player, but are instead just part of the game mechanics and the artificial intelligence that is controlling that particular character.
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  I Hate Talking: But are they the same then if you are able to Change their looks or purpose a little bit.
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  I Hate Talking: Versus absolutely not being able to touch it at all.
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  I Hate Talking: Is that both NPCs the same way.
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  I Hate Talking: I would say not because There may be a character that exists in the game.
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  I Hate Talking: That simply exists that you cannot play as, and that would be the non-playable character versus a character that exists in the game that you interact with the game that for all intents and purposes appears as another player, but they are non-human and that would be the non-player character.
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  I Hate Talking: But then you get to a whole different, how far down this rabbit hole do you wanna go?
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  I Hate Talking: Because then you get to a whole different level, right, of like playing with online people.
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  I Hate Talking: Are they real people or are they NPCs?
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  I Hate Talking: Are they a mixture of both?
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  I Hate Talking: How do you really know?
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  I Hate Talking: Precisely, and that is the point that we wanted to relate to our previous episode is that if you are not experiencing sonder or maybe you are, that if you Don't have a high degree of the sonder experience that you sort of treat these other people as NPCs and not as real people, like emotional intelligence, that sort of thing.
• 12:33
  I Hate Talking: Could you also then say, Sonder intelligence, and if you have a high degree of sonder intelligence, you would not treat them as NPCs.
• 12:45
  I Hate Talking: If you have a low, sonder intelligence, you would treat everyone with NPCs.
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  I Hate Talking: As MPs.
• 12:54
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go, I guess you came up with your own neologism as an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes.
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  I Hate Talking: Sonder intelligence.
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  I Hate Talking: Sonder intelligence coordinate right now.
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  I Hate Talking: So I do think that that would be generally described as emotional intelligence where you're going to be empathetic or sympathetic to others when you're interacting with them that you're going to treat them with the respect that other humans deserve and basically respect their humanity, as it were.
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  I Hate Talking: But yes, I think that part of the reason that you respect their humanity is the fact that Sonder exists and that they are living a rich and complex life just as you are.
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  I Hate Talking: So, when I'm in Starbucks in line in the drive-through, and there's somebody taking an exorbitant amount of time to order.
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  I Hate Talking: And in my heart, I want to just be so frustrated cause I just want my Ice Americano.
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  I Hate Talking: And they're taking too long.
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  I Hate Talking: I can just be grumpy about that, or I can think.
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  I Hate Talking: Hey, they're not at NPC.
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  I Hate Talking: Maybe they are on their way to a really big business meeting that Their whole team is about to get laid off, so they're bringing them Frappuccinos to soften the blow.
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  I Hate Talking: Could be, or to take it to the extreme, perhaps the barista just had a medical episode and collapsed on the floor while they're making their coffee.
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  I Hate Talking: So not treating the barista as an NPC, you know, character creating my Americano, I can think of them as an individual.
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  I Hate Talking: With that maybe just had their niece was just born in the hospital and they cannot wait to go meet them.
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  I Hate Talking: With our shifts over.
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  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
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  I Hate Talking: That all is within the realm of possibility.
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  I Hate Talking: And That is The realization that they do have a very complex life that they are living and their own desires and goals that they want to achieve.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: Do you think that you treat people as NPCs, or do you intrinsically see them as individuals?
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  I Hate Talking: So, if they stay within the normal course of human behavior, I don't necessarily potentially pay them much mind.
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  I Hate Talking: And probably would fall maybe more within the NPC category.
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  I Hate Talking: So if we're waiting in line for the checkout at the grocery line and they are just doing everything that is normal for an American to do and standing with their cart, maybe looking at their phone, checking out what things there are in the checkout line, in the candy aisle or magazines or whatnot that.
• 16:04
  I Hate Talking: I'm, like I said, not going to really concern myself with what they are doing.
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  I Hate Talking: And That's sort of how I would treat that.
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  I Hate Talking: However, If they were acting in a way that was.
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  I Hate Talking: Abnormal, perhaps.
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  I Hate Talking: Talking to themselves or something of that nature that I would pay them more attention.
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  I Hate Talking: And I don't know necessarily if Saunder would come into play in that instance, but I just have a greater.
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  I Hate Talking: Sense of awareness on my situation and what was happening around me.
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  I Hate Talking: I think it also um Comes to mind when I'm thinking about the internet.
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  I Hate Talking: Like, how rare it is to talk to another individual.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: Face to face, really rude, or tell them everything you're thinking.
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  I Hate Talking: But when you're behind a computer, they seem more like an NPC, right?
• 17:12
  I Hate Talking: Like you can tell them all the things you hate about them, or perceive about them that you hate, and any kind of disagreement, it's much easier behind a keyboard than if you're in line at a grocery store.
• 17:27
  I Hate Talking: That is true, and that's actually something that we mentioned very briefly last episode is the humanity of people and how you see people because perhaps if they are driving a vehicle and you cannot actually see the person within that.
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  I Hate Talking: They are not really necessarily considered as a person in your mind, you just see them as another vehicle on the road.
• 17:52
  I Hate Talking: And likewise, if they are behind the keyboard and maybe have a profile picture that is just an emoji or a bit emoji or whatever and not necessarily their actual picture that you will really not see them as a person.
• 18:10
  I Hate Talking: Mm.
• 18:11
  I Hate Talking: Now it's interesting that this actually plays a part in traffic theory because of that very thing that I mentioned that people don't see other vehicles as people.
• 18:22
  I Hate Talking: So you don't necessarily consider when you're cutting somebody off or driving erratically that that really affects a person because they're just vehicles on the road.
• 18:33
  I Hate Talking: It also has to do with some things within the psychology of warfare where Some training for soldiers may make the enemy appear less human by dressing them in.
• 18:50
  I Hate Talking: Attire that is not normal to that culture or even just not showing human faces when they're doing training for warfare because that dehumanizes the enemy and makes it easier for that person to then engage with the enemy.
• 19:10
  I Hate Talking: And you even see that within Star Wars with the Stormtroopers, they are basically.
• 19:17
  I Hate Talking: Non-human for the experiences of both the rebel forces as well as the person viewing the movie, you don't really see the stormtroopers as people, you just see them as NPCs.
• 19:34
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 19:36
  I Hate Talking: So would you say that?
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: If you see someone's face, their eyes, and their nose and their mouth.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: Does that make you more empathetic or sympathetic to them?
• 19:50
  I Hate Talking: Absolutely.
• 19:51
  I Hate Talking: Scientific research has shown that just with some of the things that I mentioned in terms of traffic and vehicles as well as Warfare and the dehumanization of the enemy.
• 20:06
  I Hate Talking: Are people more likely or are you more likely to be sympathetic to an individual on the screen that you see their full face?
• 20:17
  I Hate Talking: Or Um, somebody in person, that space is covered.
• 20:24
  I Hate Talking: With maybe say a mask, a stormtrooper mask.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: So there is something to be said of how much of the face is covered and whether that is the eyes or not, right?
• 20:38
  I Hate Talking: Because I think that you can even see that in modern day with poker competitions where a lot of poker players will wear.
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: Glasses that are shaded and very dark, so you cannot really see their eyes in terms of maybe where they're looking or what their particular facial response is versus a covering of the mouth that again can be prohibitive in understanding people's reactions and emotions with the facial muscles that may smile or smirk or frown or grimace.
• 21:16
  I Hate Talking: So, I would say that the eyes are going to be the primary way that you are going to be able to determine the humanity and reaction of a person and that Perhaps the screen versus in person does not matter as much.
• 21:37
  I Hate Talking: Because of the fact that their face is present.
• 21:41
  I Hate Talking: But that in person, there will be other physical indications such as how they are sitting or fidgeting.
• 21:52
  I Hate Talking: Or Moving their body that may not be present.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: When just looking at their face on a screen.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I buy all that.
• 22:03
  I Hate Talking: Um, have you heard of the illusionist named Sidey?
• 22:08
  I Hate Talking: Sidey as in the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man?
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: No, not like her toddler loves, no, not Sidey and his amazing friends.
• 22:19
  I Hate Talking: There's uh illusionist.
• 22:21
  I Hate Talking: His name is Sidey.
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: I've been um binging a lot of his YouTube content.
• 22:27
  I Hate Talking: But he's an illusionist, like, uh, in Vegas and places like that, but he also, um, spends time reviewing.
• 22:38
  I Hate Talking: Like famous cases or people interviews, and explaining why they're lying or why they're not.
• 22:46
  I Hate Talking: Because, and he'll even reference like, oh, well, Facebook quizzes will say this means lying, yada yada.
• 22:54
  I Hate Talking: But he'll explain why it doesn't mean that, and why.
• 22:58
  I Hate Talking: People fidget the way they do, cause I think I'm self-conscious of that.
• 23:02
  I Hate Talking: I fidget a lot.
• 23:04
  I Hate Talking: And, um, according to Facebook and things like that, would be, I'm untruthful.
• 23:11
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, but I'm not, I just physically cannot stand still.
• 23:15
  I Hate Talking: And so he explains physiology like that.
• 23:18
  I Hate Talking: And um So it makes me think of that when you're talking about um seeing the eyes and the way the eyes look versus the way the mouth twitches and that sort of thing, definitely shows their humanity and brings um more sympathy or empathy to the situation.
• 23:38
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, so, again, I think we are running into the fact that.
• 23:45
  I Hate Talking: Social media, Facebook, AI is not.
• 23:50
  I Hate Talking: get things right and then in a lot of cases does not.
• 23:55
  I Hate Talking: Provide truth So hopefully we can.
• 23:59
  I Hate Talking: Garner some insights from this podcast as well as our friend Spiy.
• 24:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, whom I've never heard of, but I guess I will check him out.
• 24:09
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, maybe we can go to a show one time, it'll be good.
• 24:12
  I Hate Talking: I really love magicians and illusions.
• 24:17
  I Hate Talking: I am a really good um Audience member, cause I get fooled by that stuff so easily.
• 24:24
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I Treat it as basically.
• 24:29
  I Hate Talking: Entertainment And maybe even get frustrated at.
• 24:34
  I Hate Talking: If I don't see.
• 24:37
  I Hate Talking: Reasonable explanation on how they did something.
• 24:41
  I Hate Talking: One of my favorite shows was that guy that did.
• 24:44
  I Hate Talking: The What was it called?
• 24:47
  I Hate Talking: Was the magician that shared all the secrets on how different magician, he was so good.
• 24:58
  I Hate Talking: But I didn't really care for the actual person, I just enjoyed.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: Learning how everything was done.
• 25:04
  I Hate Talking: Ah, me and my brother were so into that show.
• 25:07
  I Hate Talking: You should watch it sometime.
• 25:09
  I Hate Talking: Find it, rewatch it.
• 25:10
  I Hate Talking: I'm sure we'd be thoroughly disappointed.
• 25:13
  I Hate Talking: It probably has some form of elevated position within our minds from when we were children.
• 25:21
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: Right, but like the stakes were so high because if they caught him, he was giving all these tricks out and he was gonna get in so much trouble.
• 25:30
  I Hate Talking: Whatever happened to that?
• 25:32
  I Hate Talking: Well, maybe that was the greatest trick of all is that that was not true and it was just a, OK, I don't want to research it because in my head, the stakes are so high.
• 25:42
  I Hate Talking: Don't say that it was like a hoax.
• 25:44
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it was just a marketing technique.
• 25:46
  I Hate Talking: To my brother who listens to this.
• 25:50
  I Hate Talking: I'm so sorry if you heard that.
• 25:52
  I Hate Talking: Keep believing in the masked magician.
• 25:55
  I Hate Talking: Well, hopefully, we didn't ruin the magic, but if you're listening to this, hopefully you are a real person and not an NPC.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: But if you're an NPC, share it with other NPCs, and if you're a human, share it with other humans.
• 26:10
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.