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Galaxies, Portals, and…Sybok? · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I'm going to regret this.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Node party.
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  Speaker 1: Hi.
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  Speaker 3: This is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 3: the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch. And you
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  Speaker 3: are listening to aggressive negotiations.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's aggressive negotiations. The Star Wars podcast that dares
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  Speaker 4: to delve deeper than any other in the known galaxy,
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  Speaker 4: or any other galaxy for that matter. I am one
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  Speaker 4: of your hosts, John Mills, and I am just absolutely humbled, pleased,
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  Speaker 4: and absolutely grateful for the co host with the most
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  Speaker 4: Jedi master, Matthew Rushing. Matt, are you ready to delve
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  Speaker 4: deep into the dark sectors of the Star Wars galaxy?
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  Speaker 1: See?
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  Speaker 2: You know, John, I'm actually thinking maybe today we dive
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  Speaker 2: into another galaxy. I mean, you know, we spend so
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  Speaker 2: much time in this one. Maybe maybe we should visit
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  Speaker 2: another galaxy far far away.
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  Speaker 4: What an intriguing thought, Matt. That's you know what. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the seat of a question there that
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  Speaker 4: you have for me. So I'm guessing you're talking about
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  Speaker 4: the other galaxy we know of, the one that we
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  Speaker 4: see in Ahsoka.
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  Speaker 1: So what are we going for here? What's your question? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So this is something that I've been kind of thinking
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  Speaker 2: about more and more, especially as you know, I know
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  Speaker 2: that we're hopefully getting season two of Ahsoka next year,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we've got Mandalorian and Crogu that's going
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  Speaker 2: to be coming out next year.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So this, this part of the universe seems to be
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  Speaker 2: alive and well. And some of the things about the
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  Speaker 2: other universe have been sticking with me in the sense
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  Speaker 2: that we know that the Pergol travel back and forth,
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  Speaker 2: we know that the dath Mary witches to seem to
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  Speaker 2: originate on this planet, and we know that there is
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  Speaker 2: a massive Argonauth like statue to the Father from the
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  Speaker 2: Mortis trilogy, right, And so it makes me wonder, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've we've read about, you know, some of George Lucas's
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  Speaker 2: ideas of kind of wanting to delve deeper into the
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  Speaker 2: just the mythology of the force itself, mediquarians, all these
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  Speaker 2: type of things, and and so I'm wondering, are we
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  Speaker 2: going to be pulling the idea that some of the
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  Speaker 2: things that we've already seen have actually been glimpses possibly
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  Speaker 2: of pieces are parts of that universe. So Mortis, we
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  Speaker 2: don't really know where it's from or whether or not
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  Speaker 2: it or you know, is it like the wormhole in
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  Speaker 2: Deep Space nine where it's like it pops you into
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  Speaker 2: that universe and then it can pop you back out,
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  Speaker 2: you know it does the place at this I guess
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  Speaker 2: the center of our galaxy that Yoda travels to, does
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  Speaker 2: that also transport us to another universe or does that
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  Speaker 2: have some connection? So it's like, I wonder if we're
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  Speaker 2: going to start to be you know, bringing some of
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  Speaker 2: these threads together.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, first and foremost, I want to point out Yoda
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  Speaker 4: doesn't go to the center of the galaxy because a
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  Speaker 4: rock monster pretending to be God would be there. All
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  Speaker 4: apologies to Captain Kirk. Oh, and what does cited with
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  Speaker 4: the starship exactly right? Exactly right, And that's why Yoda
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  Speaker 4: was able to jump out of his starship when he
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  Speaker 4: got to that origin point.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly That's why he left the starship outside of that
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  Speaker 2: because he just knew, you know, this is not the
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  Speaker 2: place or the time exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did not, you know what, and since there
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  Speaker 4: was a long time ago, Captain Kirk really should have
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  Speaker 4: learned a lesson from him.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what would should have.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it, but it it gives me hope that
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  Speaker 4: Sybock going in and fighting the blue energy beam means
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  Speaker 4: that somehow he traveled over to the Star Wars galaxy,
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  Speaker 4: which would make me the happiest boy in the world.
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  Speaker 4: But you know that's head cannon that I can write
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  Speaker 4: for myself for all time and you can't stop me.
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  Speaker 4: But in terms of that origin point in the galaxy
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  Speaker 4: that Yoda goes to, what you're proposing is basically that
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  Speaker 4: between the two galaxies, that it wasn't necessarily the Pergol
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  Speaker 4: travel but the world between worlds that may have opened
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  Speaker 4: this gateway between galaxies, and that's the entry point between
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  Speaker 4: the two, or that somebody traveled with Pergol and then
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  Speaker 4: wound up over here and then opened the world between
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  Speaker 4: worlds to get back over you're proposing either that the
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  Speaker 4: Mortise gods and the witches started over in that other
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  Speaker 4: galaxy that's new to us, came over here and then
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  Speaker 4: found their way back, or that they opened the doorway
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  Speaker 4: from here and then figured out that the Pergol were
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  Speaker 4: another way, or something like that, like which one.
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  Speaker 1: Are you proposing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm wondering. So this is the thing I'm wondering
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  Speaker 2: if the especially just the let's we could tackle maybe
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  Speaker 2: at one time, but like the Mortise gods specifically, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the place in which we see them seems
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  Speaker 2: to be kind of outside of space and time as
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  Speaker 2: we knew it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And so it did make me wonder was that planet
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  Speaker 2: possibly a planet that was in that other universe?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And that maybe that the reason to which we see
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  Speaker 2: the planet in a soca that we land on and
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  Speaker 2: this universe kind of almost feel, you know, not as
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  Speaker 2: alive and vibrant as the universe we come from, is
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  Speaker 2: because there has been a disruption in the family. And
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  Speaker 2: hmm and so and again this was just me thinking
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  Speaker 2: through like all of these different ways in which some
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  Speaker 2: of the weird out of the way things that we
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  Speaker 2: just saw in the Clone Wars, if they will come
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  Speaker 2: to play in more to what we saw in the
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  Speaker 2: what we see too coming in in Ahsoka, because of course,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, you know, we've already seen as well
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  Speaker 2: the world we tuned worlds, and that also makes sense
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  Speaker 2: is a way in which you could possibly even switch galaxies,
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  Speaker 2: because who knows what you could do in that space.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering.
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  Speaker 4: See the thing is now I'm starting to go down
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  Speaker 4: a road of is it possible that we're dealing with
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  Speaker 4: a mythology that I mean, obviously there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: Tolkien inspiration.
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  Speaker 1: All over the place here like that. There's no secret
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  Speaker 1: about that. And of course C. S.
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  Speaker 2: Lewis too with the Magician's nephew, and there was legitimately
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  Speaker 2: a wood between the worlds.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And.
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  Speaker 4: So where I'm going in my brain is is it
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  Speaker 4: possible that the Mortis the Mortise gods simply existed, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, the laws of physics as we understood them
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  Speaker 4: were different because they're pure force all of that, But
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  Speaker 4: they are the literal embodiment. They are a holy Trinity,
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  Speaker 4: literal embodiment. Is it possible that what the witches of
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  Speaker 4: Dathimir are are people that the Sun the Trickster managed
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  Speaker 4: to contact in some way or manage to they managed
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  Speaker 4: to break through and contact him, and him being him.
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  Speaker 4: He encouraged that that would therefore make the Jedi a
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  Speaker 4: response to the witches to bring balance around to everything,
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  Speaker 4: which I think could be interesting. I mean, it would
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  Speaker 4: upend everything that we understand from the expanded universe again,
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  Speaker 4: which is not a bad thing necessarily, because we're dealing
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  Speaker 4: with entities that are beyond time, So whatever, man, But
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  Speaker 4: what would have been the impetus for travel between the
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  Speaker 4: galaxies to happen? Was it simply observation of the pergole
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  Speaker 4: and going with them at first? Or were the doorways
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  Speaker 4: opened and the pergole simply exists as evidence that the
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  Speaker 4: natural world got there before we did, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: every new way we invent to do something, the natural
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  Speaker 4: world was there in the earlier age, before before us.
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  Speaker 1: Again a very Tolkien idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because I love the idea of that
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  Speaker 2: it having to do something with the pergle, That the
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  Speaker 2: pergl are actually the inspiration obviously for hyperspace, and that
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  Speaker 2: the laws of hyperspace travel are based off of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: study of the pergol themselves right in the way in
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  Speaker 2: which they they generate this energy and so, and that
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  Speaker 2: you know, societies studied them and then were able to
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  Speaker 2: craft a technology to which allowed them to travel between
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  Speaker 2: these distances. Now, you know, the most interesting thing when
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  Speaker 2: you think about, like Ahsoka, right, the energy and the
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  Speaker 2: size of the engines needed to transport one self without
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  Speaker 2: a pergl to another galaxy was just astronomical, right, we
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  Speaker 2: saw that, And so it makes me wonder if was
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  Speaker 2: there a point in time, you know, way far away
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  Speaker 2: in the galaxy, far far away, that you actually had
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  Speaker 2: more travel between these universes And because the thing that
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  Speaker 2: maybe start thinking about all this stuff right was was
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  Speaker 2: was really just the fact that you know, we jumped
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  Speaker 2: to that planet in Ahsoka, and you know, that world
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  Speaker 2: seemed so not alive compared to all the other worlds
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  Speaker 2: that we've you know, witnessed in the Star Wars universe, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, even Tatsowen seems to have more
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  Speaker 2: life on it than this planet does. And maybe that's
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  Speaker 2: just a byproduct of us not getting to spend a
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  Speaker 2: lot of time on there, but it just didn't seem
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  Speaker 2: all that alive. And so maybe start asking these questions,
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  Speaker 2: is maybe did something happen in the universe that was
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  Speaker 2: possibly connected with something like what happened with Mortis and
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  Speaker 2: all that to explain that? And is that possibly even
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  Speaker 2: the reason why you know, Baron Skull is traveling to
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  Speaker 2: that universe to try and rectify what happened in you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Mortis trilogy with Anakin abdegating his role to fix something.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I definitely think we're moving along the line. Who
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  Speaker 4: knows if it will resolve this way of Anakin taking
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  Speaker 4: over as the father and then Ahsoka taking over as
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  Speaker 4: the daughter, and then Balin's skull slotting in as the son.
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  Speaker 1: That would make sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent thought, I think.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that your idea of things going back
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  Speaker 4: balance being discovered regardless of what anybody's motive is. It
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  Speaker 4: seems like that's another hallmark of the Lucas style storytelling
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  Speaker 4: that Yoda seems to accept, even during the Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 4: where he's like, you know, honestly, even if we lose
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  Speaker 4: this one, things will balance back out. You got to
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  Speaker 4: take a longer view of history than anything else.
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  Speaker 3: But what.
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  Speaker 4: Puzzles me, because I want to go back to something
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  Speaker 4: you were talking about. We see the size of the engines,
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  Speaker 4: the technology necessary to be created to do what the
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  Speaker 4: pergol do naturally.
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  Speaker 1: What is it.
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  Speaker 4: That prevents Bailn's skull and or Morgan Elsbeth from opening
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  Speaker 4: doorways that they know exist? Is there some sort of
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  Speaker 4: subtext about the fact that they know and idolize the past,
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  Speaker 4: but they've lost the ability to access it. Do you
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  Speaker 4: think there's some sort of subtext with that going on.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, I think that's a great question,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whether the idea of like being able to
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  Speaker 2: open the doorway or maybe you know, have something like
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  Speaker 2: possible world between worlds to travel to this this other universe. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the world between Worlds feels like
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  Speaker 2: a place that very few people actually know about. It
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  Speaker 2: seems to be a pretty heavily guarded secret in the
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  Speaker 2: universe itself, you know. And to me, this also feels
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  Speaker 2: like a place to be able to kind of dig
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  Speaker 2: into the relationship between Qui Gon, what he was able
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  Speaker 2: to find out Yoda, what he gets taught, what Obi
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  Speaker 2: Wan gets taught by you know, Qui Gone as well
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  Speaker 2: as well as Yoda. And you know, because we know
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  Speaker 2: that Yoda is able to connect from the World between
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  Speaker 2: world with Ezra in Rebels and so therefore he learned
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  Speaker 2: something from Qui Gon that allows him to be able
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  Speaker 2: to do this, and that there are so few Jedi,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like who had ever had this ability really
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  Speaker 2: to tap into the nether region of the force, right,
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I think Morgan Elsbeth is just somebody
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  Speaker 2: who in some ways is too greedy for her own
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  Speaker 2: good to have learned something like that. Baron Skull though,
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  Speaker 2: seems to be the type of Jedi who has a
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  Speaker 2: bit of that Dooku nature in him, but also seems
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  Speaker 2: to have a bit of the Qui Goni ness right
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  Speaker 2: where he is truly interested in these esoteric things of
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  Speaker 2: the force. And it does make me wonder. So you
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  Speaker 2: bringing up the whole idea of is he going to
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  Speaker 2: you know, replace himself be the sun or yeah, be
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  Speaker 2: the son and Nohsok will be the daughter and even
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  Speaker 2: because she already is the daughter, really right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Anakin then becomes the father.
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  Speaker 1: You know in it in the end too.
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  Speaker 2: This is another connection then with Lewis, with the Chronicles
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  Speaker 2: of Narnia and the four you know, uh thrones at
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  Speaker 2: care Paravel that need to be filled by daughters of
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  Speaker 2: Even and sons of Adam, and so that there needs
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  Speaker 2: to be this filling of this place in the role
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  Speaker 2: of the galaxy for the galaxy to truly hold together.
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  Speaker 2: And do we explain then why Star Wars continues to
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  Speaker 2: be war all the time because these roles had been
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  Speaker 2: abdegated and in the sense of like when Anakin said
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  Speaker 2: no and then the Father died, it continued this process
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  Speaker 2: much longer than should have ever been needed.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's an interesting thought.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't feel if that's the case. I'm
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  Speaker 2: really just spitballing at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think it's an interesting thought. I
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  Speaker 4: think more the Star Wars, because we know that there
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  Speaker 4: was the war between the Jedi and the Sith and
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  Speaker 4: the past, and there's the war between the Jedi and
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  Speaker 4: the Sith and the Clone Wars, and there's the war
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  Speaker 4: between the Jedi and the Sith and the and it
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  Speaker 4: goes on and on so consistently. You know, it's everybody
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  Speaker 4: loves to make fun of the line, but it's like poetry.
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  Speaker 4: It rhymes, yes, And I think that there is instead
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  Speaker 4: a desire. I don't know how they can possibly bring
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  Speaker 4: it back together, but we know that part of what
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  Speaker 4: Lucas was talking about with the sequels, based on his
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  Speaker 4: interview with James Cameron, was going to deal with this
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  Speaker 4: idea of determining whether what happened in the physical world
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  Speaker 4: was just an extension of the fight of the metaphysical world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and were we just an.
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  Speaker 4: Extension of that that battle that never dies because we
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  Speaker 4: see in the Mortise Gods that there's a constant state
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  Speaker 4: of conflict, but it's evenly matched conflict, so nobody ever wins,
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  Speaker 4: and the Father's job is to basically make sure nobody does.
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  Speaker 4: So I agree with you that Anakin not assuming the
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  Speaker 4: role of the father does throw things completely out of whack. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but is it possible that we could read it as
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  Speaker 4: the thing that causes Luke's downfall in the sequel era?
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  Speaker 4: And would that you know, I'm going to load this
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  Speaker 4: question up, as uncomfortable as it is to deliver, would
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  Speaker 4: it ameliorate any of the I don't want to say
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  Speaker 4: ill will, but the disappointment you have or might have.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to make any assumptions.
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  Speaker 4: Of where Luke and up by the time of the
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  Speaker 4: sequel trilogy. To understand that everything that was going on
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  Speaker 4: in the mortis realm up to and including what's going
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  Speaker 4: on with ah Soska and Anakin and Balen's skull throws
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  Speaker 4: things so out of balance and disrupts the way it
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  Speaker 4: was quote unquote supposed to go. That that's why Luke
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  Speaker 4: right winds up not successful.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that that would be an incredibly interesting
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  Speaker 2: thing to do. The thing that makes that difficult, though,
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  Speaker 2: is the fact that from what we've seen, we are
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  Speaker 2: years before that stuff goes down in that universe. And therefore,
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  Speaker 2: now the way that you could ameliorate that quite easily
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  Speaker 2: is that the esoteric nature of what could happen in
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  Speaker 2: a force type world could have repercussions than outside of
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  Speaker 2: time and space. That you see what I'm saying that
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  Speaker 2: make that.
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  Speaker 1: Possible to do?
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  Speaker 4: Is it possible to tie things in in such a
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  Speaker 4: way that Palpatine is somehow involved with something having to
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  Speaker 4: do with that's how he extends his life or something.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know the mechanics of it, but I'll get
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  Speaker 4: to the punchline to sign.
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  Speaker 1: To make you laugh. Is Balin's skull going to be snoke?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Balen skull is gonna be snoke. I
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  Speaker 2: think you have a much better chance of him, like
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  Speaker 2: he's tall, being the sun. And you know, I also
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  Speaker 2: you know the whole idea too, of the nature of
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  Speaker 2: exagal and how you get there, you know, going through
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  Speaker 2: this very strange you know, Nebula and everything. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's a whole other thing in this that kind of
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  Speaker 2: leads to lots of questions that with this whole other
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  Speaker 2: universe could could be expounded on and made much more interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I got to go back though to what you I
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  Speaker 2: really think forgive me listeners, but nothing is really ever
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  Speaker 2: going to make the mess of the sequels better. But
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  Speaker 2: story wise, moving forward beyond that, you could find a
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  Speaker 2: way to have the landing pad of Ray and what
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  Speaker 2: happens next be much more interesting. Uh, you see what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like you, you could actually help exactly to
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  Speaker 2: make that something that fans become more interested in, because
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  Speaker 2: it is able to, in some ways almost like divorce
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  Speaker 2: itself from the mess that you created, while at the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: same same time not overwriting it or or making it unnecessary. Right,
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  Speaker 2: You're you're not doing any of that. You're you're still
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  Speaker 2: paying homage to it and everything, and yet it allows
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  Speaker 2: you to forward with more clarity and understanding and focus
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  Speaker 2: than into the future which you know it. This is
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  Speaker 2: one of those places where you know now that Dave
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  Speaker 2: is the chief story officer of Lucasfilm. It makes sense
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  Speaker 2: then as to how you would want these things to happen.
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  Speaker 2: You would want to kind of try and bring as
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  Speaker 2: much as the of the universe together as you possibly can.
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  Speaker 2: You would want to create as much cohesion as possible, right,
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  Speaker 2: so that people want to continue to spend time in
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  Speaker 2: this universe. And so, honestly, you know why they haven't
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  Speaker 2: hired us as story writers. I don't understand John. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've been giving him what this is episode
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  Speaker 2: for twelve I mean, just.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: To twelve episodes of pure Gold, absolute contre.
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  Speaker 1: For you folks.
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  Speaker 2: And and so the thing about this is, and the
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  Speaker 2: reason I've just been thinking about it in the first
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  Speaker 2: is there really does seem to be so many fascinating
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  Speaker 2: story possibilities here. You know, as our friend from that
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  Speaker 2: other Star franchise loves to say, there are always possibilities.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're pulling from references like you know, Tolkien
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  Speaker 2: or Lewis, you know, you're just rife with ideas here
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  Speaker 2: that could really make this interesting and special, especially as
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you kind of lean into the more esoteric nature of
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the storytelling and the universe that you've created. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm really hopeful that you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: care if any of those these ideas ever really come
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  Speaker 2: to fruition, but I am excited, you know when we
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: talk about something like this at the storytelling potential right right,
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  Speaker 2: and it makes me excited about what could come next
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  Speaker 2: in Sie Star Wars. And that's you know that it's
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: one of the fun things that we as fans have
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  Speaker 2: loved to do. I mean we talk about, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the joy of what we had in the EU and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: and all the speculation that fans had in those early
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: days of the of of message boards and stuff, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that was really the joyful stuff. And we're kind of
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: in a season where that's the case again, right, because
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: we're not getting as much content and therefore it allows
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: for a more fertile ground for fans to just be
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: able to enjoy speculating about the story and and diving
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: deep into the story and and all that kind of stuff.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And it, in some ways I think is beneficial almost
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to the franchise to have had this fallow time where
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: you can hopefully then rekindle the garden with some some
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: some good fertilizer and then really you know, craft a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: story that just explodes for people, uh and and and
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: makes us excited about this franchise again.
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  Speaker 4: Well, as loaded as it may be to suggest that
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  Speaker 4: they use fertilizer and all of the jokes that could
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: be written by Weisenheimer's on the internet on hearing that
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  Speaker 4: if somebody wants to suggest some fertilizer to you, Matt,
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  Speaker 4: where can they find you online?
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Well, you can find me all over social media under
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the name Matt Rushing zero two. Just look me up
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: on any of the different platforms. If you type in
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that name and I'm there, I'm there. If you type
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: in that name and I'm not there, I'm not there.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: So you can also find me here on the network
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: with a show called Alpost talking about every single chapter
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the Harry Potter series, one chapter of a time, which
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: is timely is that new show will be coming soon.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And then of course you can also find me over
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: on the TFM network with a bunch of shows. One
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: is the six h two Club. John's a frequent guest
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: over there, and we talk about all the franchises we
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: love outside of Star Trek. And then there's a lot
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of great Star Trek talk over there as well. Do
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that with my friend Chris Jones and we're talking enterpri
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Are Sat Strange New Worlds or you know the Voyager
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: d Space nine. All of these things per card. Check
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it all out there. But John, if people you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: wanted to speculate about the wacky, crazy universe that is
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Star Wars with you, where would they find you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they wouldn't want to find me, Matt, because my
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: ideas are just a little bit too weird and wacky
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: even for my own liking. But if they want to,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: they can find me as Kessel Junkie. Like you said,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: if I'm on a network, my username is Kessel Junkie,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: so look for Kessel Junkie, or you can also find
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: me here on this network, co hosting a show called
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: house Lights where we look at the work of film directors.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I know trailblazing to have a podcast about movies, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: you know what, we figured, somebody has to do it,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: and we think you'll have a time if you come
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: on over and listen to us as well. But Matt,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I got to tell you that I think I left
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  Speaker 4: the door open on my portal to the Other Galaxy
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  Speaker 4: back in my room at the Jedi Temple. So I
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: think it's time that we close these negotiations.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Oh man, the Purgle's in again. Negotiations are closed.
• 26:13
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