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Tomorrow | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 70 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we are back to review tomorrow.
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  For this episode, I am joined by Pam from at Pam Dramaholic on
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  Instagram. Pam, how are you today?
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  Hey, Jazz, I'm fine. How about you?
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  I'm doing well. We were talking extensively
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  before we got on about theme parks and my really disastrous
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  Disneyland Paris outing that I had like over 10 years ago and
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  how you live in Germany and how I had German food today, which
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  is highly unusual. I never have German food.
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  We went out of our way to have delicious German food today and
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  you were like, wow, that's amazing.
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  So I just think if you don't know Pam on Instagram, you are a
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  delight. I love interacting with you on
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  Instagram, which is the whole reason why I thought it would be
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  fun to bring you on Tabak and talk about tomorrow.
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  You were originally cooking dramas, cooking under score
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  dramas on Instagram because you love to cook recipes that were
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  inspired by K dramas. So I think you've kind of moved
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  a little bit away from that, but you still do like a lot of that.
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  Yeah, look, if you'd watch Asian dramas, right?
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  Food is always important. It doesn't matter if someone is
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  sick, if someone is in love, food will always be the main
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  topic at some point. So I thought it would be like a
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  perfect combination. But you know, yeah, that's a lot
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  of work. I did a few videos and then I
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  realized that, Oh my God, I need not only time, but you have only
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  one take. Like I messed up a few recipes
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  while recording or I messed up the audio and that was horrible
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  because then you have to redo everything.
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  So I was like, maybe it's time to change a little bit.
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  I'm still drama obsessed. I love food and I will every now
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  and then still make some amazing recipes because I just love
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  cooking Asian food from scratch. So I try to do it from scratch
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  as much as possible. But let's focus on the drama a
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  little bit more than on the food.
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  So maybe I will go to ramen and you know, so true, that should
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  be fine. That's not a problem with me.
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  I love ramen. So for those who are not
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  familiar with your page or or haven't aren't, are just not
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  familiar with how you got started in in K dramas, why
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  don't you give us a little bit more info about yourself, how
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  you got started? What were your first K dramas?
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  Maybe what are your favorite genres?
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  And just a little bit. I know sometimes you watch a lot
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  of stuff, but what are you currently watching?
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  Oh wow a big question. Like if you don't follow me you
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  probably don't know my currently watching list is longer than my
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  watch list probably at this point.
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  So to be honest I started K dramas because of a friend of
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  mine. Like she loves K pop and K
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  dramas and I told her like, I want to watch something similar
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  to telenovelas. I just miss I'm resilient, so I
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  really miss that feeling. And then she said, why don't you
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  start watching K dramas? And my first K drama was
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  extraordinary. You so kind of fitting for.
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  Today that is intertwining especially well with today
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  because obviously. Everything is.
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  Yeah, Fate. It's fate.
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  It's faded. And I think I fell in love
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  because I felt like Extraordinary You was explaining
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  me a little bit of the world of K dramas.
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  It did explain to me a lot. So before I even started
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  watching K dramas, I kind of knew how it works in a way
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  because my friend was always talking about it.
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  And Extraordinary You was just perfect for me, at least as the
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  first K drama, you know, not too heavy on the everything else
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  that I know, like bullying or whatever.
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  Just a simple, cute kind of K drama.
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  And I mean, I did fall in love with Horan at this point, so.
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  And then I was just mainly following her suggestions.
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  So of course I watch Strong Woman, Du Bong Soon and then
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  Crush Landing on You, and they are my favorites.
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  Kind of like it's really hard for me to pick one.
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  But those two other ones, that would be like, OK, if I had to
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  rewatch, I would. They were funny, they were cute,
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  They just entertained me. And yeah, well, you can see that
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  I do love my ROM coms, right? Romantic comedies will always be
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  my favorites. I love giggling and just being
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  happy that people are falling in love in real life.
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  I'm not that romantic. So perfect.
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  I can be fake romantic with the dramas, but sometimes when I
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  watch too many romantic scenes, I'm like, OK, I need a break.
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  It's too much now because it's not happening in my life, so I
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  don't want to see it anymore. So I then just like actually to
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  watch a lot of horror and action.
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  I do love that and fantasy elements are always a fun thing
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  to have for me. I like that.
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  What are you currently watching? I think I know the answer to
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  this because. Look.
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  I follow you, so yeah. I mean, my current obsession is
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  definitely AC drama, not AK drama at the moment right?
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  Oh well, it's the double. I guess we have to say that Pam
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  loves to watch see dramas as well.
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  And so we bonded a lot over our love for see drama actors and
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  she would send me a lot of like photos of see drama actors and
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  tag me in things just, you know, because we're friends.
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  So friends share. Putting a smile on friends face
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  is always my pleasure. Yes.
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  So your obsession currently is. Current obsession, definitely
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  the double like this is drama. You'll hear a lot about it
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  because final episodes are coming out and I cannot shut up
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  with it. But I'm also watching 2 kid
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  romas, believe it or not. Finally I found two that kind of
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  entertaining. They are.
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  Wait, what's the name again? Miss night and day, You know,
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  another fantasy kind of ROM com thriller action.
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  I think we will have everything in this one.
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  And my sweet mobster on vacuum. Uh huh.
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  Yeah, so I think I'm just watching them because I need
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  something entertaining because the angsty part of the double is
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  coming and I cannot deal with it in a halfway like a normal
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  person usually so. Yeah, I am excited to press play
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  on the double eventually. I am definitely going to press
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  play pretty soon because it's ending finally and I hate
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  waiting for episodes. And also I just can't keep up
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  with the release schedule of AC drama.
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  I just can't. That's true.
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  I heard from Liliana that they released a fast pass for the
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  double. She was obviously going to get
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  it. And I was like, that's how they
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  get you, Liliana. They already got me a few weeks
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  ago and I'm like, you know what, it was like €3 for me or
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  whatever, you know, I can totally pay for that.
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  I will do that for the double as well.
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  I can't. Yeah.
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  I'm horrible at waiting. I have no patience whatsoever.
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  Yeah. So for those who are unfamiliar
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  with C Drama Land, because you're listening to AK Drama
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  review episode, some platforms like to release the episode, the
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  finale episodes early. They are available early, but
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  you have to pay for them. They're behind a paywall.
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  So it's the fast pass. Is this paywall?
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  And it's very low paywall. Like as Pam said, it was like €3
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  for her and she was like, I'm, I'm doing it like I just want to
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  see the finale now. Yeah.
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  And that's how they get you 'cause you're already paying for
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  the platform. Yes, but also you cannot ever
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  enter the Internet until you finish this drama, unless you
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  already watched that, right, 'cause right now, just a few
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  minutes ago, before we started recording, I saw a spoiler.
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  I'm like, I'm not dealing with that.
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  This is if this happens. If this is true, I'm going to be
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  crying after we record this because I cannot wait.
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  OK, yeah, well, as you know, for K dramas on Tabak, every review
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  we do a non spoiler and spoiler section, so you will not have to
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  worry about being spoiled for tomorrow.
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  The K drama we're going to review today.
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  But thank you so much for talking through your experience
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  in Asian dramas, Pam and welcome to Tabak.
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  I can't wait to talk about this drama.
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  patrons. OK, so before we get into this
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  episode, I do want to say that this episode comes with a large
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  trigger warning. This episode and this show that
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  we're going to be talking about has content related to suicide
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  especially and sexual assault. A lot of heavy topics will be
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  discussed and the show tomorrow just dives into these.
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  So please be aware that we're going to be talking about
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  suicide especially as well as sexual assault.
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  So I'll get going on the Wikipedia synopsis because the
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  other synopses were no good, just no good.
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  So here we go. Trejun is a young job seeker who
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  is unable to secure a job through an accident.
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  He meets the grim weepers Kuriong and IMBR Young Gu, who
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  have the task of preventing suicide, and works with them as
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  the youngest contract worker in the crisis management team of
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  Death Angels. So I was like, wow, Death Angels
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  is the way that Wikipedia puts it.
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  So Tomorrow aired in April, from April to May of 2022.
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  So the show is 2 years old. It is 16 episodes long and it
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  has a couple of directors. Kim Thee Yun is the first
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  director. Obviously they've directed
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  Tomorrow but that's the only K drama that they've directed.
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  They are mostly a screenwriter and he's also directed some
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  movies like Accrual, Attendance, Another Family, New Trial, Mr.
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  Zoo, the The Missing, VIP and written a lot of those movies as
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  well. The Co director is Sung Chiuk,
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  he's directed DNA Lover and Kairos.
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  These are recent dramas like I'm talking Kairos is 2020 and DNA
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  Lover is 2020 should should be released this year 2024.
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  So and that's it. That's all that this other
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  director has done. Kind of feels like these
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  directors were largely untested to me but especially in the K
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  drama sphere. Like they are not really TV
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  directors and then the writers are POC Ji Jung Cha Hyung and
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  Kemujin is really weird because POC Jack Young is the is only
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  listed on MDL. She's not listed as a writer on
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  Asian wiki. Only Kemujin is listed as a
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  writer on on wiki. It's strange, but this is their
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  only screen credit ever, so they haven't.
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  Like I'm not really familiar with all the directors and
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  stuff, but that's incredible then.
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  Yeah, like none of these people have a resume that we can
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  recognize, so it's a little bit strange.
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  Yeah. But the cast we can recognize,
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  so. Oh, and if I didn't mention this
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  before, tomorrow is based on a web tune on Naver by the same
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  name. So the cast, Let's talk about
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  Kim Hee Sung, who plays GUI Yong.
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  She is the team leader. I called her Little Red in my
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  notes because she has a red hair and red eye shadow.
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  Yeah, she has done about 10 movies and 19 TV shows,
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  including someones that I was like, man, I can't believe she
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  did these. So My Fair Lady from 2003, Faith
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  from 2012, which is where I recognized her from, I was like,
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  man, she looks so familiar. She looks so familiar.
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  When I put the dog together and I saw that she had done Faith, I
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  was like, Oh my God, that's where she's from.
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  Faith with Lehman Ho How have you seen that look?
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  I don't think I've ever seen her before.
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  OK, that's fine. That's fine.
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  It The thing is, she had red hair as well in faith.
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  Yeah. Yeah, she had like this Auburn,
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  long Auburn hair. And I'll tell you that Faith
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  Show is from 2012. I watched it when I was airing.
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  I loved it. Then I rewatched it not long
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  after I finished it and I was like, wow, this show is shit.
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  I don't know what I was on like back then.
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  I was like rewatching shows and realizing like, what was I
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  thinking a few weeks ago? And I watched this and loved.
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  It. So faith from 2012 with Imeno
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  Lord, she has not aged. I mean, she looks stunning when
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  I first saw her and then I saw her and I'm like, what do you
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  mean? What do you?
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  Mean what? What do you mean?
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  Can I look like that too? And the red health suits her so
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  well. I'm so sorry.
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  I love it. It does.
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  I haven't seen her like at least in Tomorrow, that's where I know
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  her from right? I love her hair.
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  Like the colour is just her colour.
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  It looks amazing on her. She's also been in The Lady in
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  Dignity from 2017, Room Number 9 from 2018, Alice, Remarriage and
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  Desires, which is a Netflix show from 2022.
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  And I've always thought, oh, let me press play on that.
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  But I think it's a mock Jung. So I've always been like, maybe
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  not, perhaps not. And then she's supposed to be in
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  bittersweet hell this year. It's a 2024 release.
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  Yeah, I I saw that. Did you see it?
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  OK, maybe. No, I haven't.
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  Like I'm so behind on some dramas.
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  I mean, it's OK, girl, you know Alice, you.
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  Don't have to tell me. You don't have to tell me.
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  Yeah. Never Ending story is, oh, I'm
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  behind. So what did you think about her
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  in this show? She is basically the star of
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  this show to me. It's her and then everybody else
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  is supporting her. That's that's that's my feeling
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  on this. I know it's an ensemble cast,
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  but I don't know. For me, it's just her.
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  Yeah, no, for me as well, because I felt like we they got
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  like a deeper understanding of her at some point.
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  I really enjoyed her acting. It was a for me, it also felt
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  like she was like the female Lee that was just, it was about her
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  at some point, like her dealing with everything happening with
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  her past, with everything else right now as well.
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  And I actually enjoyed her acting.
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  So I would definitely watch something again with her in it.
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  So for me it was good, but I also don't have anything to
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  compare it to right? OK, yeah, sure.
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  But it kind of gave you a taste of like what she.
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  Yeah. What she's like on screen and
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  her presence. And you were impressed?
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  Yeah, I. Was in a way OK, I would have to
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  see her like in a in a different role.
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  I like to compare actors with like, you know, like gloomy, sad
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  dramas with how they deal also with maybe comedy and stuff,
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  right? Because this, yeah, role I would
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  say was more serious than like from the other actors, right.
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  And I feel like if I can see her range a little bit better, I
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  will have a like a better understanding.
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  But for now, I enjoyed her. Would definitely watch again.
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  Yeah. What about you?
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  I hadn't seen her in over a decade.
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  So I was like, man, she again, I was plagued by the where have I
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  seen this person before? Feeling OK?
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  Yeah, yeah. And then once I finished the
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  show and I looked it up, I was like, Oh my God.
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  Of course, she was in this freaking show with Lee Min Ho
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  and that show Faith, I'll just give you the quick, like, quick
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  one sentence, like, what's it about?
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  So this doctor, she's the doctor and present day somehow time
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  slippage, she gets sent back in time.
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  And Lehman Hill is this warrior in medieval career.
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  And so she is kind of a hot commodity because she has all of
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  this medical knowledge. Yeah, and I don't even remember
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  anything else about the show like that is as far as the
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  extent of my. Let's see, I hear time travel.
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  I'm like, yeah, let's. Skip this one.
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  No, I understand complete like girl, you don't have to justify
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  like not liking time slippage stories to me.
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  I just, it's like rare time travel.
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  I'm like do it better. Do it better.
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  I know, I know, I know. Done.
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  So anyway, I really enjoyed her in this.
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  I think that the she's also in this, this I I suck at this
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  because I wish that I had watched more from her, but she's
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  in this level where she's paired with younger men.
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  Yeah. And Lehman Ho back then was, I
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  mean, 10 years ago, he was even younger.
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  So they were love interest back then.
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  And she was always older. She's born in 1977 is I think
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  they're the year that she was born.
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  Yeah, I don't know. So there was a age gap between
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  them and I think she's in the same class as Oh my God, What's
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  the crash course in romance lady?
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  Oh I I know what you mean but I'm so bad with nags.
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  But I know I like I. I watched that.
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  Do you so crash course in romance?
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  Is. Oh my God, why is her John
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  Doyon, Don John Doyon, that Lady where she is afforded the
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  privilege because she's in a class where she's so well
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  respected that she can be paired with a younger man.
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  It's like an honor. And I feel like it's the same
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  with her. I don't think it's a stretch to
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  say it's the same with. Kimisa no, I can't see that.
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  Like I watch crush course in romance right?
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  Wait. It is crash course in romance,
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  but it's hard because there's the crash landing on you, rolls
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  off the tongue easier than crash course, and you have to like
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  redirect your brain when you talk about this.
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  Just my third language. I'm fighting here.
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  OK, OK. So yeah.
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  And then talking about Korean dramas, Yeah, my head is
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  spinning. OK, Anyways, definitely crash
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  cursing Romans. I watched it just for fun and I
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  actually enjoy it when the age of like when the woman is older
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  and the guy's younger, I actually enjoy this a little bit
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  more than if it's the other way around.
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  So and here I don't know, like her love interest.
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  Can we call her and well. So hold on his.
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  I feel like it. Was good.
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  It worked. No, I got the wrong name.
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  Hold on. No, now I need to know his age.
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  Now I need to know how old is. He young or old?
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  No, he's definitely younger than her.
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  Isa Hyuk is definitely younger than her.
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  Oh my God. By a full decade by.
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  A full decade. He's born in 1988.
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  Oh wow, that's look, I love them.
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  I fell in love with both of them together.
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  I know. They were.
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  They were great, yes. Yeah, I I just love it.
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  I'm really if the romance is bad, but the, you know, the
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  woman is older and the guy is younger, not too young though.
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  If he's gonna act stupid, please go away.
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  But you know, like a. Proper.
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  An adult man, an adult and an older woman.
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  It's pretty hard to find, I know.
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  But yeah, I I just love that so. So Co star part of the ensemble
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  cast is row wound, which is I think the main reason why
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  everybody watches this show. I mean, what do you, what do you
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  think, Pam? I I mean, I think I commented on
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  your video, right? I love him.
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  I maybe a little bit because it was my first drama and he was in
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  it. He was like the mainly tribe and
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  I love it, but also my sweet guy.
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  Can you do something else? Can you do a thriller and be the
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  bad guy and just be mean Another go and retrieve a boyfriend.
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  OK, Because yeah, I like his acting for comedies.
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  It's it's OK, right? It's he seems quite funny.
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  I guess I know know him personally.
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  I wish though, but I felt like this role was not so different
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  from his other roles. And I saw a few more of his
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  works and there is one that I roll.
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  I don't know how I finished that and I really wish he did not
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  pick this one. Do you want to say what?
• 22:23
  OK, so I'll just go through his filmography and then I will talk
• 22:26
  about him as well without because this conversation needs
• 22:31
  to be had it just. I mean, I made a whole video
• 22:34
  about this drama because I was like, what the fuck were you
• 22:37
  trying to do? Sorry.
• 22:39
  OK so Roman plays Jun Wong, he obviously is a former member of
• 22:45
  SF9 which makes him an idol. I still consider him an idol
• 22:50
  even if he's quit the band. Technically, he quit only last.
• 22:55
  Year, I think it's. 2023 is when he announced he was taking.
• 22:59
  A. Protracted break.
• 23:00
  He's 63. He's giant.
• 23:04
  He looks tall in everything I've seen him in, he looks giant.
• 23:08
  And he's now 27 years old. He has been in quite a few
• 23:13
  dramas. He's been in School 2017 and
• 23:16
  obviously the year 2017. The school series that has come
• 23:20
  out of Korea is very famous for creating stars.
• 23:24
  People that you see in the school series, very high chance
• 23:28
  that they will become famous. They will become Hollywood
• 23:31
  stars. And if you look back at the
• 23:33
  school series, you'll be surprised.
• 23:34
  Just dead ass surprised. Yeah, not that those shows are
• 23:40
  amazing, like some are probably great, but I know word of
• 23:44
  caution. They're usually the first jobs
• 23:48
  out of out of college. You know what I'm saying?
• 23:49
  Like out of idolhood is like they get in the school series.
• 23:53
  But anyway, about time. He's been in that show from
• 23:56
  2018, where stars land from 2018 same year.
• 24:00
  And then we hit extraordinary you from 20/19, which was your
• 24:05
  first K drama. It is Co directed by one of the
• 24:09
  directors of True Beauty, so there's that connection.
• 24:14
  And then? The other director of
• 24:16
  extraordinary you directed my Mr. Oh, I haven't watched this
• 24:22
  one yet. Oh shit.
• 24:24
  OK, well, highly. It's on my like look, it's high
• 24:26
  on my list then a lot more but. Definitely watch my Mr. So it's
• 24:32
  almost like lobster and Skittles situation.
• 24:35
  You had like 2 vastly different directors specializing in two
• 24:39
  different genres, almost two different tones and they mash
• 24:43
  them together and they made them work on Extraordinary.
• 24:46
  I don't know how they made them sign up on this together, but
• 24:49
  Extraordinary and maybe they're friends.
• 24:51
  Extraordinary you in 2019 and then we have She Would Never
• 24:55
  Know from 2021. There is a Patreon episode up if
• 24:59
  you want to hear my final thoughts on that.
• 25:03
  Spoiler alert, not very good. My thoughts were not very
• 25:06
  positive. It's what I mean to say.
• 25:07
  The King's affection from 2021. I dropped that at episode 13.
• 25:14
  OK. But I don't like the ending
• 25:16
  though I have beef with. It.
• 25:18
  Yeah. So then you have beef with it.
• 25:20
  Wonderful. I mean, that's sarcastically
• 25:22
  destined with you from 2023. That's the show.
• 25:25
  Yeah, there it is. That's the one.
• 25:28
  That's Oh my God, no, we could cancel this one, I'm pretty
• 25:31
  sure. I don't know, I started watching
• 25:34
  it because, you know, I said I love fantasy in ROM coms, but it
• 25:39
  was giving me nothing except pain.
• 25:42
  I was watching it. I'm like, did you get lost at
• 25:44
  some point? This is still fantasy.
• 25:47
  I was no, I was generally confused.
• 25:49
  I was watching it like OK, now I'm confused if this what's
• 25:53
  going to happen, it's still fantasy, is it?
• 25:56
  I felt like really they got lost.
• 25:58
  They just didn't know what to do.
• 26:00
  They were starting off right? I mean, remember, there was a
• 26:03
  scene, if you haven't watched it yet.
• 26:05
  So I'm just going to say like, so I think it has been on the
• 26:07
  Internet. Everybody was like, oh, my God,
• 26:09
  this is so nice. It's so hard.
• 26:11
  And they're like, OK, I also like it, you know, like this
• 26:15
  bloody hand on the red hand in episode one.
• 26:18
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:19
  And I'm like, oh, wow. Do I finally get my ruin being a
• 26:23
  little more serious, a little bit, you know, just doing
• 26:25
  something different. No, you went into full golden
• 26:29
  retriever back again like this was one second and that's why I
• 26:34
  started the show and now I wished I'd never seen it.
• 26:38
  I watched the drama and people, please, that was not good.
• 26:45
  You cannot convince me that was good.
• 26:47
  They got lost with the plot and my ruin is once again playing
• 26:53
  the same stupid boyfriend and I got.
• 26:56
  And then most recently he was in the Matchmakers, also a 2023
• 27:00
  show. I think it made me started in
• 27:02
  2023 and end in 2024. I don't have a good track record
• 27:08
  with with Rowan shows, which is the entire reason that I thought
• 27:15
  let me watch tomorrow because I was talking to people.
• 27:19
  People were like, well, maybe you should watch tomorrow.
• 27:22
  Tomorrow's his best work. Tomorrow's the best thing he's
• 27:24
  been in. It's so good, yadda, yadda,
• 27:25
  yadda. So here I am, I watch tomorrow.
• 27:29
  But I have to say, I decided to put out this question on the
• 27:34
  socials. What do we think of Rowan as a
• 27:37
  leading man in K drama? Is he everyone and their mom
• 27:43
  said, oh, he's so beautiful, He's so hot.
• 27:46
  All these different fire emoji, the heart eyes emoji,
• 27:49
  everything. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes,
• 27:51
  yes, I know this I but tell me, can he acts?
• 27:56
  What do you think about his chops, his talent?
• 28:00
  Is he more than a pretty face? Because I'm concerned about the
• 28:04
  intersection of talent and, you know, beauty, right?
• 28:08
  I would love for everyone who's on screen to like deserve to be
• 28:12
  there and the K drama industry, the K pop industry, hell, all of
• 28:18
  Korea is very vain, pretty privileged, is rampant and is
• 28:24
  roboon. I mean, one of these people that
• 28:29
  do we have do we I I see the gears turning in your head, fam.
• 28:35
  And The thing is, I didn't want to come out and say I don't
• 28:39
  think he's a good actor, blah blah, because it's not that the
• 28:41
  that's not the case at all. I just want to know what's the
• 28:44
  consensus? And The thing is, it was a mixed
• 28:46
  bag, completely mixed bag. Everyone was like, I don't think
• 28:51
  he's a good actor or I think he's improved or I love him.
• 28:55
  I love his acting. He's such a great comedic actor.
• 28:57
  Everyone agreed baseline that he's a great comedic actor.
• 29:00
  And I'm like, OK, so we need him in something else.
• 29:03
  He's been typecast. You're saying he's been
• 29:05
  typecast? Yeah, yeah, he has.
• 29:08
  And I mean, I wouldn't say that he's like, he's amazing actor.
• 29:12
  Like I love him. Yes, I do, but more because I
• 29:14
  know that he can do comedy so well.
• 29:17
  I feel like it feels authentic, right?
• 29:21
  In a way. But I think he needs to stop
• 29:24
  doing ROM coms for a bit. Do a movie that's a little bit
• 29:28
  darker, do something that's not him being the golden tree
• 29:31
  boyfriend. Because if I watch the Kings of
• 29:35
  Action and I enjoyed it, ignoring the end, and then
• 29:40
  again, he is always the simp. He is always the simp boyfriend.
• 29:45
  I'm like, that's cute and all, but you cannot like, I hate
• 29:50
  actors that are always the same. I'm like, yeah, OK, I saw this,
• 29:53
  but you're playing the same character again, just with a
• 29:55
  different name in a different series.
• 29:58
  So yeah, I did like him a little bit more in Tomorrow than in
• 30:02
  Dustin with you. And I do think that ignoring the
• 30:06
  fact that Extraordinary you is my first OK drama, I would put
• 30:11
  tomorrow's definitely on his words, at least that I know like
• 30:14
  on being the number one, to be honest, definitely better than
• 30:18
  whatever he did and Dustin hit with you and everything else.
• 30:22
  I agree with the people. I agree with the people.
• 30:25
  I agree with the people because I see improving.
• 30:28
  Right. I see improvement.
• 30:29
  Like personally I've seen she would never know.
• 30:32
  I've seen, I've seen King's Affection even if I dropped it
• 30:34
  at episode 13. I've seen Destin with You even
• 30:38
  if I dropped it again a late episode, but I saw a lot of it.
• 30:42
  I don't think that I dropped these because of his acting, and
• 30:48
  I don't think that I disliked the shows because of his acting.
• 30:52
  Even if I finished, she would never know.
• 30:54
  I was kicking and screaming like all the way to the finish line
• 30:56
  on that one. And it was not because of
• 30:58
  Rowan's acting. It was literally because of
• 31:01
  writing, because of Female League, because of everything
• 31:03
  else. And to me that says like, oh,
• 31:06
  he's not really the issue, but maybe he still is because he's
• 31:09
  choosing these shit gay dramas. Yeah, I always wonder, like,
• 31:14
  does he not feel comfortable playing darker roles or does he
• 31:17
  not get it because I mean, his face does not look like a
• 31:20
  villain, you know, like his Co star.
• 31:22
  Wait, Lisa yuk, sorry. You know, you look at that man
• 31:28
  and he whatever. Yeah, he can do the villain.
• 31:32
  And I was still back for him, so, you know, everyone on my
• 31:34
  knees for him. But Rowan is still a cutie pie.
• 31:38
  This man is so tall, everything he does will look kind of
• 31:41
  clumsy. It doesn't.
• 31:44
  But yeah, he needs something else to improve a little bit
• 31:49
  more. Yeah, I think he.
• 31:51
  And The thing is, there's another, I hesitate to say
• 31:57
  actor, but it is an actor, another actor from SF9 who's
• 32:01
  been acting since he was a child, and he doesn't have the
• 32:04
  same opportunities as Romun has had simply because of what?
• 32:10
  Like 'cause he doesn't look like Romun.
• 32:15
  Yeah, that's Korea. Sometimes we are then not
• 32:19
  aspired. And they came from the same.
• 32:21
  Need an end? Yeah, yeah.
• 32:24
  Like you can literally compare them.
• 32:26
  It's kind of hard not to compare.
• 32:28
  But to be honest, I only know him as an actor, right.
• 32:32
  I didn't know that he was an idol before or was still at a
• 32:36
  time. And when I saw him singing and
• 32:37
  dance, I'm like, yeah, don't. And like, keep singing, maybe
• 32:42
  just don't dance because he's really tall.
• 32:46
  And when I saw him video him next, I'm like, acting is good.
• 32:50
  Good choice, buddy, good choice. Do it again.
• 32:54
  So Roman, funny story though, I was watching it on the big TV in
• 32:58
  my family room, but tomorrow I was watching the show tomorrow
• 33:01
  on the big TV in my family room and I was like debating, like it
• 33:05
  is he? I was like, is it just me?
• 33:07
  I think he's attractive. Like I think Roman is
• 33:09
  attractive, but I put it up to Solomon, my sister.
• 33:14
  So I told my sister and I said, hey, look at the screen.
• 33:19
  Do you think that guy is attractive?
• 33:21
  And it took a minute, 'cause, you know, I'm not pausing it or
• 33:24
  anything. I'm just like letting the drama
• 33:25
  go. And finally Rowan shows up like
• 33:28
  that guy and it takes 2 seconds. She's like, I can't really tell
• 33:32
  because he's had so much work done.
• 33:35
  And I was like, you know what? Fair, fair.
• 33:38
  Fair enough, fair enough. You know what?
• 33:39
  Fair. We have such a skewed view,
• 33:43
  yeah, of what is attractive and what is not because we've just
• 33:47
  been been exposed to the Korean aesthetic.
• 33:53
  Yeah. And beauty standard for salons.
• 33:58
  That's so true. But literally my sister was
• 34:01
  like, yeah, like I see had a lot of work done.
• 34:04
  I can't really I hard to tell. Yeah.
• 34:08
  I always say like. Damn.
• 34:11
  Actors, when it comes back to saying like they're attractive,
• 34:13
  I always be like, OK, they're attractive.
• 34:15
  And the type of guy that I would talk to to, you know, ask for
• 34:18
  the number, I would go on a date.
• 34:19
  Another guys I think are like just attractive, being pretty.
• 34:23
  I and I'm like Rowan is always in the middle.
• 34:27
  Like I, I can't tell, like he looks pretty and he's really
• 34:31
  attractive. Would he be my type, though?
• 34:34
  I don't think come on, Especially because I don't like
• 34:36
  tall guys. So I'm like, that's a giant for
• 34:38
  me. 63. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:42
  But yeah, he's improving. Yeah, maybe he will get.
• 34:46
  He chooses shit projects. You can't tell me otherwise.
• 34:49
  Like I'm convinced and for real, he's had a couple of wins, but
• 34:55
  like I. Will call the manager and be
• 34:56
  like, no, let's not do this again.
• 34:59
  We're switching up baby. Yeah.
• 35:01
  All right, so we're moving on to you.
• 35:03
  We already talked about him briefly because he was born in
• 35:05
  1988. Isuhiuk, who plays Jung Gill,
• 35:09
  the escort team leader. Slash, I have him here as the
• 35:13
  voice slash ABS because he just I don't know if you saw the
• 35:17
  recent. Of.
• 35:19
  Course I saw it. Oh.
• 35:20
  The photo shoot that came out. Recently I opened my phone.
• 35:23
  I'm like. Oh my God.
• 35:26
  This is this is a lot. Should I post it now?
• 35:28
  I'm going to get should. I post it same.
• 35:31
  Well, I'm like, you couldn't take it away from me.
• 35:33
  Like the carousel was like, I was like flipping back and forth
• 35:37
  and then flipping back the other way and I was like lost, lost,
• 35:42
  lost my train. Flat no.
• 35:43
  So anyway, he's been in about 5 movies, 20 TV shows including
• 35:48
  Tree with deep Roots, which I was like wow that's a very
• 35:51
  iconic saga. Historical K drama from 2011
• 35:55
  high school King of Savvy, which I was like whoa I forgot he was
• 35:58
  in that Scholar Who Walks the night from 2015.
• 36:01
  This is where I saw him first, and this is where I saw him
• 36:04
  last. Because.
• 36:06
  He's just kind of been a presence in, you know, K media
• 36:10
  for so long, but I forgot. This is where I watched him
• 36:14
  legitimately. Like, this is where I saw him on
• 36:16
  screen. Scholar was tonight.
• 36:18
  He played a vampire and I was like, yeah, that fucking tracks.
• 36:21
  Like. He when he came out.
• 36:23
  Of I mean, who else would play a vampire?
• 36:25
  Yeah, he played Vampire. Cree is the name of his
• 36:28
  character. Yeah, he's When he started
• 36:31
  talking, I vividly remember hearing him speak for the first
• 36:35
  time. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you cannot
• 36:36
  forget that you. Can't forget it 'cause it just
• 36:39
  doesn't match his face, his body, anything.
• 36:43
  So he started talking and I was like, Jesus Christ, is that the
• 36:47
  is that for real? And it's absolutely for real.
• 36:49
  That's his deep ass voice emanating from this body.
• 36:54
  I don't. I just don't know so.
• 36:56
  For me, it's like it was my first work with him.
• 36:59
  Like I've seen clips or of the scholar who walks the night,
• 37:03
  Right. So of course I've seen the
• 37:04
  clips. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:05
  I'm like, Oh my God. Wow.
• 37:07
  I need to watch this drama. But I'm like, I don't know if
• 37:09
  Koreans can do vampire. Well, I I just don't know.
• 37:12
  I don't see it at some point. I don't know why, but I yeah, so
• 37:16
  I can't. Every vampire show I've seen
• 37:18
  from Korea is like, all right. It's never like, I don't know
• 37:23
  because I've seen so much vampire shit in my life.
• 37:25
  It's it's never. I love vampires and if.
• 37:27
  You're going to mess with vampires.
• 37:29
  Do it right, do it right, do it sexy.
• 37:31
  Like do it, you know, I mean, not that he wasn't sexy in the
• 37:34
  in the. Oh no, Scholar was like, I saw
• 37:36
  one clip. I'm like, whatever, I'm just
• 37:38
  going to watch whatever till the end of the day.
• 37:40
  Sold. You got me there.
• 37:43
  Got me so he was in that lucky romance.
• 37:46
  Sweet Stranger and me do metro service from 20/21.
• 37:51
  Empress Wu is coming out this year 2024 and S Line as well.
• 37:56
  These are two projects that he has coming out in 2024.
• 38:00
  What did you think of Isukiok and his role in Tomorrow?
• 38:07
  Just. Instantly, like, are you mushy
• 38:10
  girl? Oh my God, of course.
• 38:11
  Look. If he was in front of you right
• 38:13
  now and we'll like when he was absolutely mean to her like to
• 38:19
  gurion. I was like yes to me too.
• 38:21
  Now please be angry at me. I also did something wrong.
• 38:24
  Hello I also. Did something wrong?
• 38:27
  No, I I loved it. I don't know if it was because I
• 38:31
  mean of course it was because of his voice, right?
• 38:33
  I do love a deep voice. So watching my sweet mops.
• 38:36
  So right now is also amazing for my ears.
• 38:40
  And then I saw him like, OK, he is attractive.
• 38:42
  And this voice is a cherry on top.
• 38:45
  Like this man could tell me everything.
• 38:46
  He could be lying, gas lighting me.
• 38:49
  I don't know. I vote for him.
• 38:50
  I don't care. I don't care.
• 38:52
  I don't care. It's fine.
• 38:55
  Let's forget feminism for a second, OK?
• 38:56
  Oh. My God, Pam.
• 38:59
  I'm so sorry, but I I really love deep voices.
• 39:03
  And when he started talking like, oh, the drama just got so
• 39:06
  much better and all like, I love you Roan, but you just lost.
• 39:10
  You just lost. Roan never heard of him.
• 39:14
  Yeah. Who's that?
• 39:14
  Who's that? Yeah.
• 39:17
  And the chemistry with our girl Kurian.
• 39:20
  It was just amazing. Yeah.
• 39:23
  So I fell in love with both. I was like, Oh my God.
• 39:25
  Yes. Always on screen please.
• 39:27
  Like he's so mean, but he's so mean.
• 39:31
  Yeah, but. I.
• 39:33
  I forgive. Him.
• 39:34
  Oh my gosh. So he's, yeah, he's in there.
• 39:38
  You know I love red flags. Look at what I posed.
• 39:42
  There is no way I would not love him.
• 39:44
  I know, you know, The thing is like that's why we bonded
• 39:48
  initially is like because we like the same red flags
• 39:54
  characters, characters we understand.
• 39:57
  I don't want to hear this like really is like, oh, these people
• 40:00
  are so toxic, blah blah. How can you like so and so?
• 40:02
  It's like it's a fictional fucking character.
• 40:05
  Yeah, I don't like my excess are worse, so I don't know people.
• 40:10
  It's like. Keep it in perspective, yeah.
• 40:13
  So yeah, we'll just move on for now.
• 40:16
  But the last person we want to highlight on the cast list
• 40:19
  before we get into our general thoughts is Yun Jion, who plays
• 40:24
  IM Ryungu. He is part of the escort team,
• 40:26
  He rounds out our trio, our three Musketeers, and he's done
• 40:31
  about four movies and 20 TV shows.
• 40:34
  When I saw his resume, I was shocked.
• 40:38
  Shocked, I thought. I've never seen him before.
• 40:40
  Why are you in everything? He's been in everything and I
• 40:43
  thought, this is how you this is a true resume.
• 40:47
  Like when I looked at his resume, I was like, this is a
• 40:49
  real person who has no connections, not an idol who has
• 40:53
  literally worked their way up through bit parts in TV shows
• 40:58
  that are actually of notoriety. Like he's picking really great
• 41:03
  scripts and being someone like a nobody in the show versus
• 41:08
  getting a shit script and being someone big, like taking a
• 41:12
  larger part in the show. You know what I'm saying?
• 41:15
  So he was in memory from 2016 as assistant director, not even a
• 41:20
  named character, our gab Goon stranger.
• 41:23
  He was in episodes three and four of the season one of
• 41:28
  Stranger, which we covered just recently on the podcast.
• 41:30
  You can scroll back. Yeah, amazing show.
• 41:34
  He was in hit the top as detective, a detective character
• 41:38
  in hit the top Mr. Sunshine. He was in a student soldier not
• 41:43
  even named character in Mr. Sunshine, where stars land
• 41:48
  security check employee be melodramatic VIP psychopath
• 41:53
  diary memorist sweet home. The first season he was in an
• 41:57
  episode 4 so many things. The witches diner GD sun this
• 42:04
  show tomorrow, my lovely liar. Most recently he played Duk Tron
• 42:10
  duk Tron and then he's got a couple projects coming out this
• 42:14
  year. Love love next door
• 42:15
  serendipities embrace. I love to see this type of
• 42:19
  resume, I love to see this type of filmography that you don't
• 42:22
  see this that often anymore. I was so surprised because I
• 42:26
  watched My Lovely Light. I'm like, what do you mean?
• 42:28
  He was there because I watched the show.
• 42:31
  It was airing. I was watching it so I was like,
• 42:34
  Oh my God, I need to rewatch it just to see where he was.
• 42:37
  And he's, I think, 33 years old. Oh, that's, I look kind of young
• 42:46
  in a way. That's a lot of work.
• 42:48
  This one has been working a lot. Yeah.
• 42:54
  I love it. I wish.
• 42:55
  I want to see him more to be honest and I.
• 42:57
  Want to see him more? Enjoy his character.
• 42:59
  Yeah, yeah. I think it's high time that he
• 43:03
  gets more responsibility on a show.
• 43:07
  And when you compare him to Rowan, you start to get a little
• 43:14
  like, OK, yeah, I guess you start to raise.
• 43:21
  You start to raise your eyebrows.
• 43:22
  A little bit, yeah. I mean, I think I need like a
• 43:25
  compilation of all his scenes and other dramas just to see
• 43:28
  like, yeah, that would be amazing to see.
• 43:31
  Like, you know, his development and how he definitely played,
• 43:34
  played so many different characters.
• 43:36
  He learned a lot. Yeah, and just being on those
• 43:39
  sets for, you know, probably a day or so, just doing those
• 43:42
  scenes and stuff, playing bit parts.
• 43:45
  I, I really, I think he should be bigger than he is.
• 43:50
  Yeah, for real. So we also have Kim Heisuk the
• 43:54
  Great Kim Heisuk as the Jade Emperor, the King of Heaven.
• 43:58
  And other than that, there are also other names that come out
• 44:02
  throughout the series in the cases that come up in each
• 44:07
  episode, but we are not going to go over them.
• 44:10
  So without further ado, Pam. What did you?
• 44:15
  Taking this long, but Pam, what do you think of tomorrow?
• 44:19
  What are your general thoughts? About the show, yeah.
• 44:23
  So I mean, I did rewatch it for this episode, right?
• 44:26
  So I watched it while it was airing and at that time I was, I
• 44:34
  mean, it was COVID time already, right?
• 44:36
  It's 20. 22 Summer Yeah 2022. Yeah, still kind of COVID
• 44:41
  happening and a lot was going on in my personal life and I was
• 44:44
  watching this one and I could resonate with it a lot, right?
• 44:48
  So many things that was similar to my life that I also
• 44:52
  experienced in a way or just know from other people.
• 44:56
  So I was like, oh wow, this is so much.
• 44:59
  I did cry a lot. I usually don't cry that easy.
• 45:02
  It's really hard to make me cry with dramas before.
• 45:04
  So my friend is triggered even easier.
• 45:08
  So. But now that I rewatched them,
• 45:11
  like some episodes were kind of boring and I'm like, oh wait,
• 45:16
  why did I cry here? Why was I crying?
• 45:19
  There's nothing to cry about. Like it's sad, yes, but why was
• 45:23
  I crying? Though Oh my God, I remember.
• 45:26
  Yeah, the 1st watch is always a little bit more emotional to be
• 45:29
  honest. It's so much I'm like yeah, it's
• 45:32
  not that deep like it is, but it's also not sometimes and but
• 45:38
  I still enjoyed it. I still love this drama.
• 45:41
  I just would not rewatch it like for third time.
• 45:44
  I usually don't rewatch dramas at all, but I would definitely
• 45:49
  recommend this one if you're in A.
• 45:51
  OK. So you would recommend it space?
• 45:54
  Yeah, I would to be honest, but only if you like to see how
• 46:01
  people from different country from a different country work
• 46:04
  around with mental health. Well, because I feel like they
• 46:07
  talked a lot about it and what's important for Korea, right?
• 46:11
  If you don't know Korea or a little bit of about their
• 46:15
  culture, you will be like, what the fuck is that?
• 46:17
  What is this? It's, it's a yeah.
• 46:22
  It's so hard to watch it if you're someone who gets
• 46:25
  triggered easily and there's so many triggers that has have not
• 46:29
  been set in the beginning of an episode.
• 46:31
  I was like, you should, you should have added that.
• 46:34
  But if you're not in the right space in your mind, you will
• 46:38
  lose it a little bit. Sometimes it's way too harsh.
• 46:42
  The way they were talking. It triggered me sometimes like,
• 46:45
  oh, wow, people, calm down. We're talking about serious
• 46:49
  things here. We cannot say that.
• 46:52
  I get why they did that, but yeah I would definitely only
• 46:55
  recommend to people that can deal with this kind of topics.
• 46:58
  Yes, I I agree with you and I think that we had the same read
• 47:03
  on the show as a matter of fact, and that we have the same
• 47:09
  personality. I think when it comes to our
• 47:13
  drama habits and the way that we approach content.
• 47:17
  I don't rewatch dramas usually. It takes a lot for me to cry in
• 47:22
  a drama. Usually if if I cry, I just tear
• 47:26
  up and then I consider that I cried, but I didn't cry.
• 47:32
  I just like got really sad and I teared up.
• 47:35
  But it wasn't like I'm like, you know, noses running.
• 47:39
  I need a box of tissues kind of crying.
• 47:42
  Almost never. Hardly ever.
• 47:45
  Yeah, same. So exactly, that's what I'm
• 47:49
  saying. Like we're the same.
• 47:51
  And there were a lot of moments, especially in the front half
• 47:53
  that I thought, whoa, this would never fly If like, I'm not a
• 47:59
  crisis counselor and I have no idea how to deal with someone
• 48:06
  who's suicidal. But it's it seems like this was
• 48:11
  the wrong approach. Like from from jump.
• 48:14
  I was like, this seems like the wrong way to go about trying to
• 48:18
  save somebody who's on the verge of just killing themselves,
• 48:23
  right? And that like that was
• 48:26
  triggering in and of itself. Like I it was tough to watch as
• 48:32
  well, especially in those early episodes.
• 48:36
  But I think that the show was sort of ground breaking and it
• 48:41
  covered some topics that are really difficult for people to
• 48:47
  face and controversial topics as well that people don't like to
• 48:54
  talk about and consume in their media.
• 48:59
  And I think ultimately I would recommend it as well.
• 49:01
  Not sure that it's rewatchable, but I think it's certainly has
• 49:05
  merit to watch all the way through at least once.
• 49:08
  Yeah. And I love the characters and I
• 49:10
  love the story. And I think I saw some
• 49:13
  complaints saying that people kind of they felt like, oh,
• 49:17
  there could be less time spent on the cases and more time spent
• 49:21
  in like Jomandong and the underworld area with the
• 49:27
  characters that you've come to know and love, like the Rowan
• 49:31
  and, you know, The Three Musketeers, as I called them
• 49:35
  before. And I don't know if I agree with
• 49:39
  that so much. I feel like the writing was was
• 49:41
  pretty tight and it almost felt like there was more content than
• 49:46
  they fit into 16 episodes, if that makes any sense.
• 49:48
  Felt like a longer show than 16 episodes almost in a good way.
• 49:53
  Like wow, they did all this and it was only 16 episodes?
• 49:57
  Yeah. I mean, I, I also don't think
• 50:00
  that we should focus more like on the whole heaven.
• 50:03
  I mean, there was a religious aspect to it, right?
• 50:05
  We cannot ignore that it was really Catholic driven.
• 50:09
  Oh, I thought it was Taoist. Very Taoist.
• 50:14
  For me, it was maybe because I'm not familiar with it, but I grew
• 50:16
  up Catholic, right? And the whole suicide is a sin
• 50:21
  is something that you learn right away in Catholic or in
• 50:25
  Catholic school, like church school, whatever.
• 50:28
  That's I grew up with that. So that's what people that are
• 50:31
  Catholic usually believe, that if you do that, I mean, you can
• 50:34
  even be buried in the Catholic cemetery.
• 50:38
  If you did. Suicide, right?
• 50:41
  And I was like, Oh, my religious drama is calling.
• 50:45
  Wait a little bit. Stop it because I.
• 50:48
  I understand totally where you're coming from, that you're
• 50:53
  going to find a lot of commonalities.
• 50:54
  Like, not commonalities, but you're going to like, you can
• 50:57
  identify with a lot of the lore, for lack of a better word, in
• 51:03
  the show based on where what you're familiar with.
• 51:08
  And you grew up Catholic, and the suicide thing in Catholicism
• 51:12
  is is a thing. It really is.
• 51:16
  So when they started calling it like a sin and, you know, like
• 51:19
  Lee Isuhiok's character hating it like, so much, Yeah.
• 51:23
  Like, he's not even trying to understand the people.
• 51:25
  Like I was so mad at him in the beginning.
• 51:26
  Right. Dude, can you just listen?
• 51:29
  Yeah, yeah, why don't you get it?
• 51:32
  But also all the episodes, every time they were telling a story,
• 51:38
  I was always glad that we also got to understand each character
• 51:41
  a little bit more. Like the nose picking, right?
• 51:44
  Yes, We got to understand why he does it because I was like, can
• 51:48
  he stop? This is absolutely disgusting,
• 51:50
  right? And then you got so intact.
• 51:52
  Yeah, every time. And he was touching people and
• 51:55
  like. Yeah.
• 51:57
  I saw that, but I loved. It.
• 52:01
  And just the approach sometime like the first episode, right,
• 52:04
  Right in the beginning, how Gurion starts talking to the
• 52:09
  people. I'm like you, you just want to
• 52:11
  push them at this point. Why not just push them because
• 52:13
  you guys are pushing them? Because I was like, oh.
• 52:15
  My gosh, it was really harsh. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I get it.
• 52:18
  I I still say that I understand where she was coming from and
• 52:21
  why she was doing it that way. But she I was like, that's too
• 52:25
  much. I was acting like Rowan in all
• 52:27
  episodes, like you. Don't do this.
• 52:30
  Rowan is the audience proxy, yeah.
• 52:32
  Which definitely. Is very easy to play because
• 52:35
  he's just sort of standing in for the audience and he is the
• 52:39
  bridge. Yeah, I mean, I felt like this
• 52:43
  made it a little bit easier to understand a few things because
• 52:45
  every time you had a question, sometimes you would ask it like,
• 52:48
  why are we doing? Yeah, I'm like, oh thank God
• 52:49
  someone else because I lost now. Yeah, I thought that coming from
• 52:55
  watching so many sea dramas, this was very easy to
• 52:58
  understand. The Taoist aspect of the show,
• 53:03
  which is Who is this Jade Emperor?
• 53:07
  Yeah. Why is there this whole thing,
• 53:09
  you know, this whole hierarchy and who are the Grim Reapers?
• 53:13
  And the mythology of it was very familiar.
• 53:18
  And also if you've watched older fantasy cage dramas like Goblin,
• 53:23
  for instance, this whole setup of the Grim Reapers, again, is
• 53:27
  very familiar. Yeah, you're looking at me a
• 53:30
  little bit weird. Why?
• 53:33
  Let's Goblin. Yeah, I'm gonna finish it at
• 53:36
  some point. OK, you're one of those.
• 53:39
  It's fine. You're not gonna I know what you
• 53:40
  think and you're not gonna like what I think.
• 53:42
  It's. Fine, I.
• 53:44
  Yeah, but I do love the whole green Reaper.
• 53:46
  Yeah, it's totally fine. I'm.
• 53:47
  Just referencing the grim Reaper thing I.
• 53:49
  Don't give a shit. If you like the.
• 53:50
  Show No I. Really.
• 53:51
  Like, yeah. Usually green reapers are one of
• 53:54
  my favorite type of characters to be honest.
• 53:57
  OK. Just like the way they're
• 53:59
  portrayed sometimes I read The Book Thief right where you read
• 54:05
  the point of view is from death itself, about during the World
• 54:09
  War Two. So since then I've been
• 54:11
  intrigued by this kind of character where the Green Reaper
• 54:13
  is, you know, coming to a person and either collecting the lives
• 54:16
  and so whatsoever. I just like the concept of it.
• 54:19
  Like the idea. Maybe that's the Catholic in me
• 54:21
  talking. No, I like that.
• 54:24
  I like the death personified aspect of Grim Reapers, and once
• 54:29
  you throw a personality on them and that they had former lives
• 54:33
  and that they remember them and stuff, it becomes really complex
• 54:36
  and compelling to watch and that's what the show does.
• 54:40
  I think the the world itself almost reminded me of like Men
• 54:46
  in Black or like John Wick, where there's like this
• 54:50
  underworld that you have no idea you're just living your life and
• 54:54
  you have no idea that there's like a secret society fighting
• 54:59
  off aliens. And in this case, you have no
• 55:01
  idea that there's this unseen underworld that is constantly at
• 55:06
  work collecting souls and ushering them into the
• 55:11
  afterlife. And they treat it as a business.
• 55:14
  They call it the company. It's like corporate.
• 55:17
  Yes. And the Jade Emperor is the
• 55:20
  director, and it's all like sort of segmented.
• 55:24
  And in the world that Rowan's character is coming from Junoon,
• 55:32
  he is trying to find a job, right?
• 55:34
  Like he's trying to enter a company.
• 55:37
  And I liked the fact that they presented it as a company.
• 55:40
  They it's sort of an interesting concept that it's treated like a
• 55:45
  business. I mean, I think it also made
• 55:49
  people understand it, maybe a little.
• 55:50
  Bit more because very simplistic.
• 55:52
  I mean, at that time I remember I was also looking for a job.
• 55:55
  I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I want to die and then have to
• 55:57
  work again, But I don't have a job right now, so maybe.
• 56:00
  That's the better choice, I guess.
• 56:02
  Yeah, who knows? Right, right, right.
• 56:06
  But I just loved it, like the whole suit and all the
• 56:09
  characters like the. The.
• 56:13
  He wasn't a twin. The one elderly man, Adarshi,
• 56:17
  that was always appearing like the same guy and then he has
• 56:19
  like he was like 8. What's it called?
• 56:22
  The quadruplets? I don't know.
• 56:24
  I. Know what you're talking about,
• 56:25
  but yeah, yeah. I just love something like, I
• 56:28
  usually love that, right? It was just, it was fun to
• 56:32
  imagine, like heaven. In this case, as a company,
• 56:36
  like, yeah, maybe it is. You know, well, a lot of people
• 56:39
  cannot just be hanging around over there, right?
• 56:42
  Just gonna chill, right, right, right.
• 56:45
  I liked it a lot and I think the show worked for me largely.
• 56:52
  Yeah. And that the risk, they're the
• 56:55
  risk management team. I mean, it's just like really
• 56:58
  clever. I I found it really clever, but
• 57:03
  yeah, I. Mean, I work in corporate.
• 57:04
  I loved it. It was, I'm like, yeah, pretty
• 57:06
  much corporate life, just haven't.
• 57:09
  Corporate. Life just underworld and.
• 57:12
  Yeah. Yeah, they have like viruses and
• 57:17
  stuff that infect their system and they have to.
• 57:20
  All that stuff is just like, OK, I guess.
• 57:23
  Sure. I mean, they have like a team
• 57:27
  that, you know, the designer team, then a sales team now that
• 57:31
  sort of hilarious. I mean like, what do you mean
• 57:33
  you're going in their dreams and make them sign a contract?
• 57:36
  What do you mean? When they're on.
• 57:41
  Their. Left it's just so like
• 57:42
  manipulative anyway, so we both like the show.
• 57:47
  Probably wouldn't rewatch the show.
• 57:49
  Very heavy-handed at times the show.
• 57:55
  Definitely. OK.
• 57:56
  Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, very triggering.
• 57:59
  Super triggering. Did any of the Did you like the
• 58:05
  pacing of the show 'cause you kind of said that the front half
• 58:09
  bothered you? Do you mean like the pacing or
• 58:11
  just the substance of the stories and the way they handled
• 58:14
  the cases? It was more about how they
• 58:17
  handled the cases. Sometimes we did get like a few
• 58:21
  flashbacks, right? And I was like, OK, can we know
• 58:23
  what we're doing now? Sometimes it was a bit fast.
• 58:26
  I'm like, I don't know. I, I still cannot pinpoint it,
• 58:30
  right? I'm like, it was right, but also
• 58:33
  maybe a little bit slower or faster.
• 58:35
  Some scenes would have been nice, but it worked for them in
• 58:39
  my opinion. It worked for their stories, the
• 58:42
  way they were trying to tell it. I think it worked.
• 58:46
  I think the first half of the show was slow to me.
• 58:51
  Yeah. And it was hard to get into.
• 58:54
  See that? Yeah.
• 58:55
  Yeah. I, I think it was hard to get
• 58:56
  into, even if the stories were good.
• 58:59
  I was just finding myself, like, I was like looking everywhere
• 59:02
  above the screen, you know what I'm saying?
• 59:05
  It wasn't until the later episodes, like episodes.
• 59:08
  Once I got halfway through, like episode eight, I was like, OK,
• 59:11
  let's go look, I'm invested. But it took a while to get
• 59:14
  there. I did see a lot of those
• 59:17
  comments on MDL to be honest. Oh well, OK, enjoy reading them
• 59:21
  sometimes for fun and. So do I because some of them are
• 59:26
  like really unhinged and other wasn't like a thesis.
• 59:30
  Yeah, some people write way too much.
• 59:31
  I'm like, it's not that deep. Right, right.
• 59:33
  Anyways, I saw a few people saying that, but I actually do
• 59:37
  not remember when I watched it for the first time.
• 59:39
  It's been so long. So for me it's really hard to
• 59:41
  say. Oh yeah, definitely like that
• 59:43
  because it's my second time, so I already knew what I wanted to
• 59:47
  see and what I had to expect, right?
• 59:49
  Yeah. So maybe while I watched the
• 59:52
  first time, I do not remember it being too slow for me.
• 59:57
  I can only talk from my point of view as is.
• 1:00:00
  Watching it for the second time, just some episode was like, OK,
• 1:00:05
  let's move on, We can continue now.
• 1:00:07
  Right. Did you guess Guiyang's back
• 1:00:11
  story at all without going into spoilers?
• 1:00:14
  I don't want to spoil anything, but you did.
• 1:00:17
  I did a little bit, especially the colors, they were very
• 1:00:21
  telling. But there was some, like in the
• 1:00:24
  beginning I was switching my opinions.
• 1:00:26
  I was like, oh, maybe it's different than what I'm
• 1:00:29
  thinking. And I was like, Oh yeah,
• 1:00:30
  definitely a history. Interesting, interesting.
• 1:00:34
  But I want a whole miniseries. She, she died during the
• 1:00:41
  invasion of Chang or something. And I was like, oh, I know
• 1:00:45
  what's going to happen. Because.
• 1:00:48
  Especially because after coming off of 2023 and watching my
• 1:00:51
  Dearest yeah, the Invasion of Change should just be ringing
• 1:00:57
  alarm bells in all of our heads now.
• 1:00:59
  It is such a huge moment in Korean history.
• 1:01:02
  And she's been alive for exactly like 400 and something years.
• 1:01:06
  And I was like, we're going to go back there.
• 1:01:09
  It's going to be a shit show. And sure enough, her back story
• 1:01:13
  is really intense and we see that in It was late episode 14
• 1:01:19
  was when we finally see the full picture of everything that
• 1:01:23
  happened to her and everyone who's related to her.
• 1:01:27
  I'm really trying to like keep it under wraps in case someone
• 1:01:29
  wants to watch tomorrow and not be spoiled.
• 1:01:32
  So so you guessed some of it. We'll go into like what you
• 1:01:35
  guessed in the spoiler section. So I wanted to kind of tease
• 1:01:40
  that. Did you?
• 1:01:41
  Were there character arcs that really spoke to you in the show?
• 1:01:44
  I don't think that Rowan's character had much of an arc
• 1:01:50
  other than sort of an acceptance, a general acceptance
• 1:01:54
  arc. Yeah, I don't think I had like
• 1:01:56
  anyone else was like, Oh yeah, this one.
• 1:01:59
  I think I could just resonate a lot with parts of Rowan's
• 1:02:03
  character. Well, I was like, yeah, the
• 1:02:06
  whole job finding thing at this, because I remember I was at
• 1:02:10
  this, you know, it was COVID. I just finished my bachelor's
• 1:02:14
  trying to find a job was horrible.
• 1:02:16
  And I was like, yeah, I also have like my family that it's
• 1:02:21
  not that I have to support them, but it's a big part of me and I
• 1:02:24
  was struggling to show, hey, I'm not that fine.
• 1:02:28
  It's it's a lot right now. So watching it, I remember being
• 1:02:32
  like, yeah, I, I totally get all those people that are, you know,
• 1:02:36
  either working in a job they don't like or being accepting
• 1:02:39
  thing they shouldn't accept or just trying to get something.
• 1:02:44
  Especially like the episode with his best friend.
• 1:02:47
  Oh yeah, that was an early episode too.
• 1:02:50
  Yeah, it, it was way earlier than I thought it would happen,
• 1:02:53
  to be honest. And I was like, Oh, yeah, I get
• 1:02:56
  that feeling like, you know, the whole trying and trying and
• 1:02:59
  trying and not getting where you want to be.
• 1:03:02
  I could resonate with that a lot.
• 1:03:03
  So this was more like certain people had some a tiny bad I
• 1:03:07
  could resonate with. Right, Right.
• 1:03:09
  Usually, yeah. Did you have anyone I.
• 1:03:13
  Think I really loved the later episodes, and this has nothing
• 1:03:20
  to do with me resonating like me.
• 1:03:23
  It's me empathizing, not me sympathizing because I'm not a
• 1:03:26
  mother. But like, the motherhood thing
• 1:03:28
  in the later episode, yeah, I was like on the floor, laid up.
• 1:03:33
  I was wrecked. And so that's Ryongu's stuff.
• 1:03:40
  Like his Oh yeah stuff. Oh my God, I was wrecked.
• 1:03:45
  Wrecked toe up I feel like. Tomorrow had a lot talking about
• 1:03:49
  women in society. Absolutely.
• 1:03:51
  And that's what I. Liked.
• 1:03:52
  About it. Yeah, I loved it.
• 1:03:54
  Like, there was a lot of focus on how women are treated in
• 1:03:57
  society in general. And I really love that aspect,
• 1:04:01
  to be honest. It was like, yeah, open people's
• 1:04:04
  eyes, please. Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  Yeah, so just a lot of episodes were really good.
• 1:04:12
  And then I think when they started intertwining some stuff
• 1:04:15
  for the characters, I was like, Oh my God, this is great.
• 1:04:18
  I love the strength from Guriong and how she's just sort of like
• 1:04:23
  a battering ram of a person in her episode 14 back story
• 1:04:31
  flashback sequence, if you will, is takes over the entire episode
• 1:04:36
  is literally the whole episode and it's stunning.
• 1:04:41
  Like I thought that besides the production value being really
• 1:04:45
  high, I thought that some of these sequences that they had
• 1:04:48
  were really impressive and historically accurate.
• 1:04:55
  I don't know much about how his credit is, but I love that.
• 1:05:01
  Like, what I especially loved is that they did not just, you
• 1:05:04
  know, show the whole story through 16 episode, but they
• 1:05:07
  made sure that each character got their own episode.
• 1:05:11
  Like Ingu is it, what's his name again?
• 1:05:14
  Nose picking guy. Yeah, right.
• 1:05:18
  So he got his episode so we could properly focus on his
• 1:05:21
  story without focusing too much on other things.
• 1:05:24
  And then we got her story also in one episode, because I think
• 1:05:29
  it would not have been fair to tell her story just through tiny
• 1:05:34
  bits and bits. And then you have to put it
• 1:05:36
  yourself together. You were like, no, you got to
• 1:05:37
  see what happened to understand. And then making him also see it.
• 1:05:42
  It's so hard to not tell what's so hard.
• 1:05:46
  I love that. Like, I feel like I wouldn't
• 1:05:49
  have liked it that much if I had to guess.
• 1:05:51
  Put it all together like a puzzle.
• 1:05:53
  Like you got hints but then you still got everything in one
• 1:05:56
  episode. Right, I I agree with that and
• 1:05:59
  that'll contributes to me feeling the pacing is pretty
• 1:06:02
  good for the whole show and that they covered so much in almost
• 1:06:06
  so little time. They could have cut it down.
• 1:06:09
  Like obviously they can always cut out stuff and it'd be fine.
• 1:06:12
  They could have made it a 12 episode show, but I feel like 16
• 1:06:15
  is fair. Really fair.
• 1:06:19
  And I mean we have K dramas with 16 episodes almost like a whole
• 1:06:24
  movie and they tell us nothing. Oh, and I think each episode was
• 1:06:29
  like one hour, right? Yes, one hour.
• 1:06:33
  And I'm like, yeah, that was perfect.
• 1:06:34
  It was not too long. You still got kinda like for me,
• 1:06:37
  it was not too long. I agree.
• 1:06:39
  But and yeah, so because if it was like 16 episodes, 1 1/2 hour
• 1:06:43
  long, been 10. So I'm looking at you.
• 1:06:47
  Oh my God, call it out. You don't have that much to
• 1:06:49
  tell. Call it out.
• 1:06:50
  You don't have to that much to tell.
• 1:06:51
  Like I'm a Yappa and I would be done after one hour.
• 1:06:54
  So please. Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  So that they did great. I was really happy with that.
• 1:06:59
  Yeah. So yeah, all of their arcs are
• 1:07:03
  really good. Like the main three, their arcs
• 1:07:06
  are really good. And it's, you know, about facing
• 1:07:08
  the traumas of your past and overcoming your own
• 1:07:14
  insecurities, your own, you know, things that hurt you and
• 1:07:22
  regret your own regrets and moving forward from a place of
• 1:07:29
  acceptance and love and not from a, a place of hate or what's it
• 1:07:36
  called when you just try and like, well, ignore it, like a
• 1:07:39
  place of just ignoring it, like shutting it down.
• 1:07:41
  I don't know. No, totally.
• 1:07:45
  I feel like it's also a lot about taking, taking a life and
• 1:07:49
  just be like I'm in charge and I'm going to get through it.
• 1:07:51
  Yes, yes, very powerful stories. And again, we have totally not
• 1:07:57
  gone into detail about anything in the show.
• 1:08:00
  We have sidestepped every spoiler we could.
• 1:08:04
  At this point. I'm trying to think of what else
• 1:08:09
  we could talk about. Yeah, no, I don't think we could
• 1:08:13
  talk about anything else. Like, besides giving our ratings
• 1:08:17
  at this point and getting into the spoiler section.
• 1:08:19
  So, Pam, what would you rate the show out of five Sochi bottles?
• 1:08:25
  Oh, I remember my first watch was a 10 out of 10.
• 1:08:30
  Yeah, I'm, I would say 4.5 out of 10 or out of five.
• 1:08:37
  Right. OK.
• 1:08:38
  It's not a five out of five, I would say, but a 4.5, it's
• 1:08:43
  pretty high for me, yeah. Same.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah. What are your rating?
• 1:08:47
  No, no, it's the same. Like we're, we're the same
• 1:08:51
  because I think it's a four and a half out of five.
• 1:08:54
  It's very close to A5, but I think because it's not
• 1:08:58
  rewatchable that hinders it being a five out of five show.
• 1:09:05
  Yeah, totally. But I was thinking about it
• 1:09:08
  before we started kind of like I cannot make it a five out of
• 1:09:11
  five. I just yeah, doesn't work right.
• 1:09:16
  Right, so 4 1/2 hold your bottles at 5 for me too.
• 1:09:21
  And with that, we are going to break for spoilers.
• 1:09:24
  If you want to be spoiled, keep listening.
• 1:09:27
  If not, stop here and come back after you finished watching
• 1:09:31
  tomorrow. Excuse me, I can't.
• 1:09:34
  Turn. I can't turn, you know.
• 1:09:37
  I am not Oh. Sorry, swear.
• 1:09:41
  This crossing shit. What?
• 1:09:46
  All right, we're on the other side of spoilers, guys.
• 1:09:48
  So we're going to talk through the show and all of the really
• 1:09:53
  triggering aspects about it in more detail.
• 1:09:58
  So Pam, you said that you guessed about Rion's back story.
• 1:10:04
  What exactly did you guess about it?
• 1:10:07
  Did you guess? Correctly about it.
• 1:10:09
  I think that I was really focused on these two.
• 1:10:13
  I was like, OK, something definitely happened and shit.
• 1:10:16
  Went down between her and Joseph like 100%.
• 1:10:20
  And I'm like, OK, he doesn't remember, She does.
• 1:10:22
  She definitely killed herself with, especially when we saw the
• 1:10:25
  red string for the first time. Like oh the whole red it.
• 1:10:28
  Was like an episode string thing one or two that they showed the
• 1:10:30
  red string on her wrist. And I was like, oh, that's it,
• 1:10:33
  this is important. Yeah, so for those who.
• 1:10:35
  Don't know, OK. This is part of the lore and
• 1:10:39
  also just Korean mythology, right?
• 1:10:44
  It's just this red string of fate.
• 1:10:45
  It's also in a lot of sea dramas, right?
• 1:10:48
  Like it's part of like, just this lore.
• 1:10:52
  Whole Asia, it's kind of right. Like the red string of fate is a
• 1:10:54
  thing. Yeah, You know what?
• 1:10:56
  I'm gonna look it up. What?
• 1:10:57
  Red string of fate? Yeah, red string.
• 1:11:02
  Oh, also the red string of marriage.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah. East Asian belief originating
• 1:11:08
  from Chinese mythology, commonly thought of as an invisible red
• 1:11:12
  cord around the finger of those who are destined to meet one
• 1:11:15
  another in a certain situation as their one true love.
• 1:11:18
  So she has the red string of fate tied around her wrist and
• 1:11:21
  we're like something the fuck is up with her red string of fate?
• 1:11:25
  Like who was supposed to be on the other end of the string?
• 1:11:30
  I mean, when you first watch that, right, and he gets
• 1:11:33
  introduced the first time, you're like, OK, it's him, he's
• 1:11:36
  the one. He is the one.
• 1:11:39
  Right for me and for her, yes, but yeah.
• 1:11:42
  But I feel like you could always sense that she kind of knew
• 1:11:45
  something and he didn't. But his his aura was always
• 1:11:49
  different. It was pure hate about her being
• 1:11:53
  from hell, right? Her mission and her mission.
• 1:11:57
  And I was like, every time they interact, I'm like, OK, they
• 1:12:00
  know each other, but she knows more than him.
• 1:12:03
  Like he has no idea that she has like the whole back story So and
• 1:12:07
  every time she was always talking to our Jaden Perot.
• 1:12:10
  I was like, OK, they both know something and he was definitely
• 1:12:13
  with her at some point in their life.
• 1:12:15
  I just could not tell if it was like just his past life or his
• 1:12:19
  past past life. How many lives did this guy
• 1:12:21
  live? To.
• 1:12:22
  Lose her. And sometimes at some point, it
• 1:12:25
  was like, hey, May. Did.
• 1:12:26
  He make her kind of kill. Herself, I'm like.
• 1:12:30
  No, it doesn't make sense because she was still kind of,
• 1:12:35
  she wasn't in love, but you could feel some something I love
• 1:12:39
  when they were on screen together.
• 1:12:40
  So I think I just guessed really that it was definitely him and
• 1:12:44
  definitely the suicide thing. And then she cannot be with him
• 1:12:47
  together. Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:50
  Because part of this lore that they've established, this is I
• 1:12:54
  think specific to the show, is that victims of suicide, because
• 1:13:02
  they commit suicide, they are punished cosmically by their red
• 1:13:07
  string of fate being broken, this link being severed.
• 1:13:12
  And so hers was severed. And you're like, this is what's
• 1:13:15
  happened. So you get the broad strokes.
• 1:13:17
  I so we both guess the same exact thing, by the way, like
• 1:13:20
  these broad strokes of like it's him.
• 1:13:23
  He's the the the red string guy for her and she committed
• 1:13:28
  suicide in her past life. Something the fuck happened
• 1:13:31
  between them? Like there's some drama that we
• 1:13:34
  don't know what happened that made her commit suicide.
• 1:13:38
  Yeah, I was first I thought that it was him, right?
• 1:13:43
  That he kind of said that whatever.
• 1:13:45
  Because you, the first thing you see at this kind of her on the
• 1:13:50
  street walking and then talking to him like this is what you
• 1:13:52
  wanted to do. You put down your sword.
• 1:13:56
  Yeah, right. Put down your sword.
• 1:13:57
  I'm like, OK, what the hell did he?
• 1:13:58
  Do. You're like.
• 1:13:59
  What is this? Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah, boy, I like you, but why are you killing people?
• 1:14:06
  Right. So you're like, oh, what's up?
• 1:14:08
  Why is he killing people on the street?
• 1:14:10
  She's mad. Why is she mad?
• 1:14:12
  Why was she there? Right, she's just in the.
• 1:14:15
  Street. In the evening like so, lots of
• 1:14:19
  questions, very few answers. We don't get answers until
• 1:14:22
  episode 14 when the Jade Emperor finally tells Row wound the
• 1:14:26
  whole back. Story.
• 1:14:28
  And this extended flashback sequence of the invasion of
• 1:14:31
  Chang, their whole meeting, their meet cue and everything in
• 1:14:34
  the woods. I was riveted.
• 1:14:36
  I was like, this could be AK drama all on its own.
• 1:14:39
  Oh my God, I wrote that down. I'm like, I want that as AK
• 1:14:42
  drama. I need to see that on screen.
• 1:14:44
  Just the two of them. It was super cute.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah. Made done like it was done so
• 1:14:48
  well. I fell in love.
• 1:14:50
  Yeah, it was done really well. And this is what I mean by this
• 1:14:53
  was very historically accurate because this whole invasion, the
• 1:14:57
  way that the Ching are dressed, the sequence of events, and
• 1:15:02
  obviously this basically mini Saguk that's in the middle of
• 1:15:06
  the show, extremely well done. And it's accurate, you know,
• 1:15:13
  pretty accurate. Obviously, the specifics of what
• 1:15:15
  happened to her, like there's no way to know if this happened to
• 1:15:18
  this noble woman back in the day.
• 1:15:21
  But yeah, in the 1600s, there was an invasion of Cheng and it
• 1:15:25
  completely obliterated Korea. It messed with the politics.
• 1:15:31
  And if you watch My Dearest, that goes into way more detail
• 1:15:33
  about what happened during this invasion.
• 1:15:37
  Oh, that's super. Interesting.
• 1:15:39
  Yeah, and it's super, super interesting.
• 1:15:41
  And episode 14 comes on the hit with the back story and the
• 1:15:50
  connection between the comfort women that were that story that
• 1:15:55
  happened in the episode prior. Episode 13, that connection
• 1:16:00
  becomes way more apparent. Like why did they do the comfort
• 1:16:03
  women episode, the cat that case, and then immediately they
• 1:16:07
  do her back story in episode 14? It's because she was also a
• 1:16:13
  victim of this Ching invasion and was captured.
• 1:16:15
  Just like the comfort women were ripped from their homes or
• 1:16:21
  hoodwinked into being sex slaves and this is a real thing.
• 1:16:26
  Both of these things are true, like history and the prevailing
• 1:16:32
  Confucian belief at the time. In the 1600s, that belief system
• 1:16:37
  created a hostile environment for survivors who actually
• 1:16:41
  managed to return to Charleston, Korea, after experiencing
• 1:16:46
  slavery and sexual assault at the hands of the invading Qing.
• 1:16:49
  And so she even though in tomorrow Ryong doesn't
• 1:16:54
  experience sexual so she wasn't raped, it doesn't matter.
• 1:16:59
  Like it if you watch my dearest, it goes into way more detail but
• 1:17:02
  like it doesn't matter. It's just the fact that she was
• 1:17:04
  taken. There's no way to know for sure
• 1:17:07
  if she wasn't raped or whatever. Like it's literally the worst
• 1:17:11
  raging case of victim blaming that you've ever seen.
• 1:17:15
  And it's real. It happened.
• 1:17:19
  It's so crazy. I mean especially the
• 1:17:21
  mother-in-law like. She Oh my God, I.
• 1:17:23
  Always hate the evil mother-in-law.
• 1:17:25
  I was like, girl, what do you mean?
• 1:17:29
  Please stop Every time she was on screen, like, Oh no, I can't
• 1:17:32
  do this anymore because I hate like the evilest mother-in-law
• 1:17:36
  is always stop it. I mean, I I know that's probably
• 1:17:40
  definitely what happened with this kind of woman, right?
• 1:17:42
  They always think about the owner, especially when they have
• 1:17:44
  a son, you know? But still.
• 1:17:47
  Like, the way that she talked to a lovely badass girl that saved
• 1:17:52
  everyone at like, in the story at least.
• 1:17:55
  Like, that's not how we do it. You should be helping her and
• 1:17:58
  the whole, yeah, society judging them just for surviving.
• 1:18:03
  Horrible. It's the.
• 1:18:05
  Same thing that happened to the comfort women in episode 13.
• 1:18:09
  So I found that really fitting, powerful.
• 1:18:12
  The parallels were there. And the fuck that mother-in-law,
• 1:18:17
  That mother-in-law, what did she say?
• 1:18:19
  There's a quote here that I have from her.
• 1:18:21
  Is your life worth more than the honor of this family?
• 1:18:24
  Oh yeah. And I was like, abso fucking
• 1:18:25
  lutely. It is like fuck this family.
• 1:18:28
  Person. What do you mean obviously?
• 1:18:31
  Excuse. Me, I'm here.
• 1:18:32
  Yes, it's more. Uh huh, uh huh.
• 1:18:34
  She was instigating her to commit suicide and the the scene
• 1:18:40
  of her losing her maid and stuff to the they literally stoned her
• 1:18:44
  to death. They would have stoned, Yeah.
• 1:18:48
  What's it Red, Big red to death. But.
• 1:18:50
  But there's also like another biblical thing, because you
• 1:18:53
  know, you have. Stop.
• 1:18:54
  Yes. I was like, yes.
• 1:18:56
  Yeah, so I was like, Oh my God. Yeah, totally.
• 1:18:59
  You know, people sin. And then someone, you know,
• 1:19:02
  what's the quote again? If you have sinned, throw the
• 1:19:05
  first stone away. Yeah, he has.
• 1:19:07
  No sin. Something like that.
• 1:19:08
  Stone Yeah. So I'm like, Oh my God, yeah, I
• 1:19:13
  know that story. And people will always judge 1st
• 1:19:15
  and before even looking in the mirror.
• 1:19:17
  Absolutely. Oh.
• 1:19:19
  It's like society, like it's still up until now, right?
• 1:19:22
  Like people will judge and say whatever, especially on the
• 1:19:26
  Internet. Yeah.
• 1:19:27
  So I'm like, yeah, people will always throw the first stone,
• 1:19:31
  doesn't matter if they're in a sun or not.
• 1:19:33
  But oh. My God, you're absolutely right
• 1:19:35
  with the biblical tie in. Yeah, with the stoning of the
• 1:19:43
  the two women and then the maid dies protecting her.
• 1:19:46
  She like covers her body with like, Oh my God, I was really
• 1:19:50
  affected by that. I didn't cry, but I was just
• 1:19:52
  like, Oh my God. It was very emotional.
• 1:19:55
  And to see her sort of be strong during the invasion and see her.
• 1:20:03
  Say we have to survive, We'll we'll get back, you know, very
• 1:20:06
  staying very positive, you know, throughout the whole thing, had
• 1:20:09
  that survivor mentality throughout the whole ordeal and
• 1:20:13
  then finally get back and it's when she's get, she's back home.
• 1:20:17
  That's what breaks her. Yeah.
• 1:20:21
  Like that's what breaks her. Spirit.
• 1:20:23
  Yeah, I mean, totally understandable.
• 1:20:26
  Imagine surviving this kind of thing, so helping others survive
• 1:20:30
  as well. And then you get home and be
• 1:20:31
  like, Oh no, you're not you. Should have done having people
• 1:20:33
  just survive fingers at you and say you're to blame, you're at
• 1:20:36
  fault and you should have died. Yeah, why did?
• 1:20:40
  You come back. I mean, this episode, like my
• 1:20:44
  rage was so high. I was like, Oh my God, I cannot
• 1:20:47
  deal with it because I get really angry at sometime when I
• 1:20:50
  feel like something is not fair. Yes, I get so angry I have to
• 1:20:53
  pause. Pam, we're the same.
• 1:20:56
  I was like, it's just a serious calm down.
• 1:20:59
  Yes, my anger issues cannot handle it because I just can't
• 1:21:03
  see myself losing my shit. And I'm like, no, you're not
• 1:21:06
  talking to people like that. Not to me.
• 1:21:09
  Couldn't be. Survived.
• 1:21:10
  I helped all these girls here. No.
• 1:21:13
  You couldn't even have kids if you didn't come back.
• 1:21:15
  What you talking about? Oh.
• 1:21:16
  My God. And the fact that he actually,
• 1:21:20
  you know, her husband, Junky actually loved her and supported
• 1:21:25
  her through this and wanted to continue their marriage, He
• 1:21:30
  didn't blame her at all. He was like on her side
• 1:21:32
  completely. That was also so like.
• 1:21:37
  Impactful. I think it shows how much they
• 1:21:40
  loved it. I loved it because we get to
• 1:21:42
  know how they met for the first time and it was super cute.
• 1:21:45
  Like you still get this whole he is always a angry type of guy
• 1:21:49
  thinking he is always so right, you know, and righteous.
• 1:21:52
  And then she's like, chill, there are poor people here now,
• 1:21:55
  so please share a little bit. And yeah, I love that.
• 1:22:00
  I love the whole dynamic. They were super cute together.
• 1:22:02
  But I also feel like at some point, you realize that he could
• 1:22:05
  not understand her point of view.
• 1:22:08
  He was struggling. He wanted to help, but he didn't
• 1:22:10
  know how even. Yeah, like, he told his mom, no,
• 1:22:14
  I'm still being with her. But he still couldn't understand
• 1:22:17
  why it was so bad for her to continue living like that,
• 1:22:21
  because she didn't want to hurt him and she was suffering so
• 1:22:25
  much. But he just couldn't understand.
• 1:22:26
  It was not his point of view. Like he just couldn't.
• 1:22:30
  Oh, it's so tough. It was so tough.
• 1:22:32
  So that episodes really stood out to me.
• 1:22:35
  Episode 14 when they finally reveal like what the hell is
• 1:22:39
  this mysterious connection that these two have?
• 1:22:42
  It broke my heart it. Totally broke my heart.
• 1:22:44
  Yeah. And it was, I think it was
• 1:22:46
  fitting because you've seen all of these stories that are so
• 1:22:51
  horrendous. They are so undeniably sad and
• 1:22:59
  just impactful and. I feel like each story.
• 1:23:06
  Was transporting. It was heartbreaking.
• 1:23:08
  Each story was just so transporting and you're like,
• 1:23:11
  OK, what if if they are teasing this whole thing throughout,
• 1:23:15
  Like what is this mysterious connection that has like fucked
• 1:23:18
  them both over even in the afterlife, even as they are
• 1:23:23
  reapers? What could it possibly be?
• 1:23:26
  It's pretty bad. Like once you finally see it in
• 1:23:28
  episode 14, you're like, it's pretty bad.
• 1:23:30
  Like I can see. It is bad.
• 1:23:32
  Why? It went down the way it did.
• 1:23:36
  And why she is so compassionate toward those who are thinking of
• 1:23:43
  committing suicide and suicide victims.
• 1:23:47
  And why he is so hateful toward suicide victims.
• 1:23:54
  I mean, I think in the beginning he was just really hateful
• 1:23:56
  because it's a sin, it's not good.
• 1:23:58
  And then he when he finally understood what happened between
• 1:24:03
  them. He.
• 1:24:04
  You could even like, if you remember when he was supposed to
• 1:24:08
  be punished right by, I call him Mr. Johnny Depp because he
• 1:24:11
  looked like Johnny Depp. And then he's on his knees and
• 1:24:18
  she comes to talk to him. And it's like, you can feel
• 1:24:21
  that's not love between them, right?
• 1:24:23
  It's something, but it's not love the way it was before.
• 1:24:26
  It's very hard to play it like this where it's not love, it's
• 1:24:33
  what is it. I could feel I was like, I
• 1:24:34
  understand what that is. I cannot name it, but I get it.
• 1:24:38
  And you could finally see him understanding why she does what
• 1:24:42
  she does and why she also did what she did.
• 1:24:45
  What happened to her. It was his own way to say I'm
• 1:24:48
  sorry that I could not understand you at that time.
• 1:24:52
  Right. It was super beautifully done by
• 1:24:55
  them. Like this was such a great
• 1:24:57
  acting. Yes, yeah.
• 1:24:59
  I can't even name what it is the emotion that they are conveying.
• 1:25:02
  Yeah, I was. I remember watching like, I know
• 1:25:06
  it's not love, even though I wish they could be together
• 1:25:09
  again. I would die for that.
• 1:25:11
  I. Know but it's just they're not
• 1:25:12
  like romantic it's not romantic love it's.
• 1:25:16
  But it's also not friendship at that moment, right?
• 1:25:19
  It's it was just an understanding of each other at
• 1:25:22
  that point. She was just like, thank you
• 1:25:24
  that you finally get it. Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  Took you a few years, but. Took you.
• 1:25:29
  I don't know. You got it, though. 400, Yeah.
• 1:25:31
  Some odd years, but glad we're here.
• 1:25:33
  If you're incarnations, a few. Glad we're working together,
• 1:25:37
  yeah. Maybe it's just closure.
• 1:25:39
  Yeah, it's like the way that if you have like a an ex and you
• 1:25:44
  don't, you kind of never got to talk about what happened and
• 1:25:48
  then you finally have to talk. You may not hate each other as
• 1:25:51
  much as before, but you have an understanding of.
• 1:25:53
  Yes. Closure, right?
• 1:25:56
  Yeah, it was. I love that.
• 1:25:58
  And the way that he smiled and everything.
• 1:26:00
  He was like a tiny bit of smiles, like OK, final.
• 1:26:02
  Episode so I really like that episode a lot the one that came
• 1:26:09
  before it broke me. This was one that I was like
• 1:26:12
  crying, Like I had literal tears running down my face.
• 1:26:16
  I was all congested. It was a real I, It was a really
• 1:26:20
  cry. It was legitimate.
• 1:26:22
  It was the comfort women episode.
• 1:26:23
  So oh. Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  No, this one like broke me into little itty bitty pieces.
• 1:26:31
  I don't know how you felt about this one, but I was like, Oh my
• 1:26:34
  God. So I already said for those who
• 1:26:37
  don't know and kind of need a little bit of context.
• 1:26:40
  So for comfort women, were women and girls forced into sex
• 1:26:45
  slavery by the Imperial Japanese armed forces in occupied
• 1:26:50
  countries and territories before and during World War Two.
• 1:26:55
  And the numbers on this are wild.
• 1:26:58
  They estimate that there's it could be 10s of thousands, as
• 1:27:03
  much as 200,000 girls that were forced into beings, comfort
• 1:27:11
  women. And the statue that they feature
• 1:27:15
  in the show is called the Statue of Peace.
• 1:27:18
  It's a monument in front of the Japanese embassy in Seoul.
• 1:27:23
  It faces the embassy. And that's featured a few times
• 1:27:27
  in the episode as well, which I thought was a great touch.
• 1:27:31
  That statue is such a symbol of the plight of the comfort women.
• 1:27:38
  And it's not just Korean women that were taken into the sex
• 1:27:41
  slavery during this time period, but it was a majority comfort
• 1:27:45
  women were Korean. This statue is such a symbol
• 1:27:51
  that they've erected more like throughout the world, like it
• 1:27:55
  just popped. People put them everywhere.
• 1:27:58
  The one that's in front of the Japanese embassy in Seoul,
• 1:28:01
  though, is a topic. The Japanese hate that one.
• 1:28:07
  Of course they do. Yeah, Japan loves to not talk
• 1:28:12
  about its history, for lack of a better word, putting it mildly.
• 1:28:16
  They love to not talk about the crimes against humanity that
• 1:28:20
  they have committed. And this is one of them that it
• 1:28:24
  took many, many years for them to even acknowledge any
• 1:28:29
  wrongdoing about the comfort women.
• 1:28:33
  And I think in 2015, because the statue was erected, I think in
• 1:28:37
  2011, in 2015, they came to some agreement with the Korean
• 1:28:41
  government that they were like, look, we'll send money.
• 1:28:45
  We'll give money as reparations to the comfort women or in some
• 1:28:50
  sort of fund, right, for the comfort women.
• 1:28:53
  And we'll say sorry, and you'll get rid of the statue.
• 1:28:59
  And the Koreans were like, bet never got rid of the statue.
• 1:29:04
  They were. Like, yeah, fuck you.
• 1:29:07
  Then never. I don't think there was an
• 1:29:08
  official even agreement from the Korean government to get rid of
• 1:29:12
  the statue, but it was, I don't know where the Japanese, this is
• 1:29:15
  all what the Japanese government is saying they agreed to.
• 1:29:20
  But the Koreans are like, yeah, never, never agreed to get rid
• 1:29:23
  of the statue, but thanks for the money.
• 1:29:24
  Involved. And so it's been up in the air.
• 1:29:28
  The Japanese were like, yeah, we're not going to send the
• 1:29:30
  money anymore. And I think they removed a
• 1:29:35
  couple of their diplomats from the ambassadors, from the
• 1:29:39
  embassy. It is like, you know, a little
• 1:29:42
  temper tantrum. Yeah, over.
• 1:29:44
  The comfort women's statue that stands outside their embassy, so
• 1:29:51
  I love that they included it in the show.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, it's, I mean, when I was watching this episode before, I
• 1:29:57
  didn't know that too much about comfort for women, right?
• 1:30:01
  I used to read a lot of historical books and stuff, but
• 1:30:05
  I'd never knew a lot about what happened between Korea and
• 1:30:08
  Japan. And when I first watched this
• 1:30:10
  episode, I was like, oh, I need to know a little bit more.
• 1:30:12
  And so I read a little bit into it.
• 1:30:14
  I'm like, Oh my God, this is absolutely horrific.
• 1:30:16
  What the what the fuck is what kind of behavior?
• 1:30:21
  It's just absolutely insane. And then what I loved about this
• 1:30:25
  abstract is how many times they mentioned we never got an
• 1:30:29
  apology. So, so many times.
• 1:30:34
  I think it was the dying girl woman at this point.
• 1:30:38
  She said I cannot die until I made sure that everybody knows
• 1:30:43
  what happened, that we were not, it was not our fault we were
• 1:30:47
  forced to to do this and that we get an apology.
• 1:30:51
  I still have get goose goosebumps, to be honest every
• 1:30:54
  time I talk about it because for me, this episode was super
• 1:30:57
  impactful. She was really every time we
• 1:30:59
  like we never got an apology. I cannot die now because I need
• 1:31:03
  to get this apology so all of us can rest in peace.
• 1:31:07
  Right. I have to do this on behalf of
• 1:31:09
  all the other girls. Yeah.
• 1:31:11
  And that, I mean, I've already, I'm not that far removed from
• 1:31:16
  the episode. And that line that you're
• 1:31:21
  referring to is very powerful. It was uttered by Kim Yong UN,
• 1:31:26
  the great Kim Yong UN. She played that character of
• 1:31:31
  Chong Moon in. She was on her deathbed and she
• 1:31:34
  was the like one of the comfort women that was.
• 1:31:37
  They had a strange connection and with Buk Bukwe Bukhe.
• 1:31:43
  Yeah, Yeah. Who was afraid that she was to
• 1:31:47
  blame for sending her friend to be a comfort woman because they.
• 1:31:52
  It was this whole nefarious thing.
• 1:31:53
  Like, they would put these ads in the papers and say, oh, you
• 1:31:56
  know, come and work at this factory, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:31:58
  And these girls would show up and it would it, they'd be put
• 1:32:03
  to work as sex slaves. So she was afraid that she
• 1:32:07
  basically sent her off, like, without her knowing that this
• 1:32:11
  was a, A trick. Yeah.
• 1:32:15
  I mean, she was a little girl. How was she?
• 1:32:16
  Supposed, how was she to know? She just want to help her
• 1:32:19
  friend. She broke my heart when she said
• 1:32:21
  it. I wanted.
• 1:32:21
  To help her. Oh my God.
• 1:32:24
  So again, this whole episode was me.
• 1:32:29
  I mean, I was red, I was sweating, I was crying,
• 1:32:35
  completely wrecked me. And I was at the when they said
• 1:32:38
  the ending of the episode was when Kim Yong UN's character,
• 1:32:44
  the former comfort woman, dies. And she is saying she this
• 1:32:49
  friend, like the one that died saving them, would not blame her
• 1:32:56
  that she. Would give her.
• 1:32:57
  A hug if she could. And that I'm not going to stop
• 1:33:01
  advocating for us and demanding an apology from Japan.
• 1:33:04
  Flood of tears flood. I'm talking about waterworks.
• 1:33:08
  And when I like you, kind of knew who was who the.
• 1:33:11
  Reaper. That's this Reaper that was in
• 1:33:14
  now in the mix and I was like, who's this new Reaper?
• 1:33:17
  Listen, hit me like a ton of bricks.
• 1:33:21
  Yeah, when she revealed that that was that's the the one that
• 1:33:24
  died, the the friend that died saving them is that this group
• 1:33:29
  of of girls escaped. Yeah, and Oh my God, no, I was
• 1:33:35
  done. I was done just.
• 1:33:36
  Too much people. Well, what you're doing to me.
• 1:33:38
  So many tears I can't even see anymore.
• 1:33:41
  I don't even have like coherent notes I just have here an all
• 1:33:44
  caps then the blonde Reaper being the friend Unique crying.
• 1:33:48
  OMG no. I no, no.
• 1:33:54
  Yeah, I think I wrote, this will always make me emotional.
• 1:33:56
  It's so heartbreaking. And it did it again.
• 1:33:58
  It's heartbreaking working it for the second time.
• 1:34:01
  I know what happens. I know who is who.
• 1:34:04
  I know what's going. You know, I'm like, yeah, still
• 1:34:07
  crying. Here we go again.
• 1:34:09
  It's just really well done. The only thing that I didn't
• 1:34:12
  like was that Rowan was like a freedom fight.
• 1:34:17
  Yeah. I also was like this is way to
• 1:34:19
  run our people. I'm like crying and crying and
• 1:34:21
  then they reveal she's keep me on No ghost.
• 1:34:25
  You look so familiar. And then like thrown back into
• 1:34:27
  the flashback of Roman being the freedom.
• 1:34:30
  Fighter and. I was like.
• 1:34:31
  Fuck you. Say.
• 1:34:33
  I'm literally wiping away tears and like sniffles and be.
• 1:34:35
  Like why? Why is this?
• 1:34:39
  Like fuck out of here bro, especially after my sister
• 1:34:44
  going. He has, he's had too much work
• 1:34:47
  done. Like yeah, no, like Rowan is a
• 1:34:49
  freedom fighter in 1944. Get the fuck out of here.
• 1:34:53
  Like. For real, come on.
• 1:34:57
  No, it was my thought, I said because, like, yeah.
• 1:34:59
  I know that caterer must love to connect everybody and everyone
• 1:35:02
  and their Mama. Yeah, but can we stop Now Was
• 1:35:05
  enough. I thought the yeah.
• 1:35:06
  This was perfect. Yeah, Rowan was too much.
• 1:35:09
  But I always I thought already that something that has would
• 1:35:13
  have happened because, you know, the gentleman was like, oh,
• 1:35:15
  Rowan needs to go escort her or help her, whatever.
• 1:35:19
  I'm like, Oh no, please don't do this.
• 1:35:22
  Yeah, she kept saying. That how many lives?
• 1:35:27
  Anyways, yeah, this was the only thing I was like no, no.
• 1:35:30
  It took me out like it took me out.
• 1:35:32
  Yeah, totally too much. Lovely.
• 1:35:36
  Yeah. Didn't.
• 1:35:37
  Like it didn't like that. Episode 12, the one before that,
• 1:35:42
  I'm going backwards in the show, but episode 12, that was the
• 1:35:46
  other. This is when the waterworks
• 1:35:47
  started. Yeah, 'cause this was Ryongu's
• 1:35:52
  episode where his mom. Oh my God.
• 1:35:56
  Tries to commit suicide the his the reincarnation of his mom.
• 1:35:59
  Tries to commit suicide and Lord.
• 1:36:03
  Oh, when he got to say goodbye to her on the beach.
• 1:36:07
  No, well, that's The thing is that I started crying.
• 1:36:11
  Like they go into her dream and she's stuck in the dream and
• 1:36:14
  she's taken sleeping pill, an overdose of sleeping pills.
• 1:36:17
  That's her way of committing suicide.
• 1:36:20
  And then they're trying to convince her it's a dream and
• 1:36:23
  it's whole thing. That's fine.
• 1:36:24
  I'm not crying yet. No, no, I cried a lot when we
• 1:36:27
  got to learn about her past life.
• 1:36:31
  And oh, her past life was horrible.
• 1:36:34
  Yeah. And I think for me, when he
• 1:36:36
  realized the first time that everything that he was saying
• 1:36:41
  was super hurtful and so wrong, I was like, yeah, no, I'm good,
• 1:36:47
  never mind. It was hurtful, even if it was
• 1:36:49
  right. Yeah, even.
• 1:36:51
  If you right, it was. But you know.
• 1:36:53
  Don't say that the. First time that hero realized
• 1:36:55
  what he did. I was like.
• 1:36:58
  Sometimes can you just talk to people just.
• 1:37:02
  Ask in front of them. Hey.
• 1:37:03
  Mom, are you a prostitute or not?
• 1:37:05
  Just tell me and not say you hate her.
• 1:37:08
  Yeah. Oh no.
• 1:37:10
  But don't say you hate her and you don't want to be her son.
• 1:37:13
  And like, oh, so it was bad. It was bad enough, but I wasn't
• 1:37:17
  crying yet. I was like, damn, this is heavy.
• 1:37:18
  But I wasn't crying. I lost it.
• 1:37:21
  When you see the mom put the message in the sand for the baby
• 1:37:28
  that she lost in the present day because he told her in the dream
• 1:37:34
  you're, you can send a message to what's the name that she gave
• 1:37:39
  the baby the honey bee or whatever or something like that.
• 1:37:43
  And she'll get it. Like it'll make it to the
• 1:37:45
  underworld and she'll see it. So she wrote, what we see is
• 1:37:49
  let's meet again. And then she put, the husband
• 1:37:54
  gives her two little shoes and she puts it there and like, she
• 1:37:58
  basically sends her like 2 little shoes along with the
• 1:38:02
  mess. I, that's when I lost it.
• 1:38:03
  I, I couldn't hold it together. I was like like that kind of
• 1:38:08
  crying like it was bad. I think I usually struggle a lot
• 1:38:12
  when it's about people, kids dying, right?
• 1:38:14
  Like anything that's harming kids, I usually skip that.
• 1:38:18
  I don't like that. I work as a babysitter, nanny.
• 1:38:21
  I can't. I cannot because I would really
• 1:38:26
  jump in front of a car for my kids.
• 1:38:28
  They are my babies. So watching this and seeing her
• 1:38:32
  struggle so much, I was like, Oh my God, I wish I could just jump
• 1:38:35
  into the screen and help her. Like I would never judge.
• 1:38:39
  I help you. And then seeing him being so
• 1:38:41
  horrible like you, I will talk to you right now.
• 1:38:46
  So everything was just a lot for me watching this, right?
• 1:38:50
  Also, like a friend of mine just said, like, you know, a
• 1:38:53
  miscarriage a few times ago. No, a few months ago, like, oh
• 1:38:57
  God, that's a lot there. Where was our trigger warning
• 1:39:00
  for all of that? Suicide, yes, but you know there
• 1:39:04
  are more happening in that episode.
• 1:39:05
  They just said like suicide and I was like, no, but like it's
• 1:39:08
  more so. Much more.
• 1:39:10
  And this episode was really tough on me, especially every
• 1:39:13
  time it's about kids. And I get when kids are angry,
• 1:39:16
  they don't know how to regulate their emotions, right?
• 1:39:19
  And I was like, I understand you little guy, but you're breaking
• 1:39:24
  my heart too because I see her suffering and I see you
• 1:39:27
  suffering. And that's too much for me.
• 1:39:29
  Like him being hurt. Hurt teaching him how to read.
• 1:39:33
  No, stop, stop. Doing the little recitations and
• 1:39:39
  stuff with him like, Oh no, it was.
• 1:39:43
  So I started crying with the little booties that she put in
• 1:39:46
  the ocean for her for the baby. And then Ryongo shows up.
• 1:39:50
  He's got his hair cut, no more blonde in the in the hair and he
• 1:39:56
  breaks some rules and shows his mom her past life and she
• 1:40:01
  remembers everything. And he tells her he was sorry
• 1:40:05
  and that he's never once resented being her son and that
• 1:40:10
  then she says she's never once regretted being his mom and if
• 1:40:13
  she had to do it all over again she would still be his mom.
• 1:40:15
  I'm sobbing. I'm sobbing.
• 1:40:18
  From the little message in the sand to the end of the episode,
• 1:40:21
  it was like I'm on a train, can't stop the train.
• 1:40:25
  I'm crying, wailing. I mean, I remember also in in.
• 1:40:32
  I'm so bad with names. Oh, it's OK.
• 1:40:36
  So I, I remember like he was saying like how bad he thinks it
• 1:40:40
  is that people are, you know, turning to drugs, right?
• 1:40:43
  And then after he finds out what happened, he killed all those
• 1:40:46
  perpetrators, whatever, Then he also turns to drugs.
• 1:40:49
  Like, you know, the whole cycle of him first hating all those
• 1:40:52
  people and overdoses and then dying on an overdose like the
• 1:40:55
  people that he hated. I was like, yeah.
• 1:40:59
  And that's also explore he. Didn't he hated?
• 1:41:01
  Himself, he was like, I hate myself so much, I'm turning to
• 1:41:04
  the exact same people that I wanted to get rid of.
• 1:41:06
  Yeah. I was like, oh wow.
• 1:41:08
  And he was a really great actor in those scenes, right?
• 1:41:11
  Like, I loved his acting. I know he was so good.
• 1:41:15
  I was really surprised. I was broke episodes.
• 1:41:20
  What is this, 12/13/14? Yeah, triple homicide right
• 1:41:26
  there. Like it took me to clean out.
• 1:41:27
  One after the other. And they were like, you know
• 1:41:29
  what, If you didn't cry before, we're going to make sure you cry
• 1:41:31
  now. Yeah, like watch, OK.
• 1:41:35
  No tears and. It started kind of.
• 1:41:36
  It started kind of. Funny to me, I was like.
• 1:41:38
  Episode 12 started kind of funny to me 'cause it seemed like all
• 1:41:42
  of a sudden they were like, whoa, we haven't hit our product
• 1:41:45
  placement quota. So they had all this product
• 1:41:48
  placement at the front half of the front of the episode, like
• 1:41:51
  Mr. Pizza. Oh my God, do you?
• 1:41:52
  Remember, like the Mr. Pizza? I was like what the fuck is it?
• 1:41:55
  The whole pizza thing he visit what happened to Subway people?
• 1:41:58
  Let's go back to Subway. What, just because?
• 1:42:00
  No. And then the pizza.
• 1:42:02
  Had like shrimp on it and I was like what in the world?
• 1:42:06
  Comment about. Shrimp.
• 1:42:07
  I'm like no, no. And then?
• 1:42:15
  Ryongo's mom works in a sports clothing store that's called the
• 1:42:18
  South Side, but the logo looks eerily similar to The North
• 1:42:22
  Face. And then all the stuff that
• 1:42:24
  they're wearing, like Roman's wearing a jacket that has tape
• 1:42:28
  over The North Face logo that's clearly in their attention to.
• 1:42:33
  That this is so. Freaking funny I'm I'm laughing
• 1:42:36
  through all this. I'm sobbing, wailing by the end
• 1:42:40
  of the show. That's why I was like, it caught
• 1:42:42
  me clean like off. Guard.
• 1:42:43
  Yeah. No, for real.
• 1:42:45
  Oh my God. God.
• 1:42:46
  The whole pizza thing, like no. The pizza I was like, what is
• 1:42:50
  this? And then she big red is like I
• 1:42:54
  want something sweet. I'm like since when girl, and so
• 1:42:57
  he goes to get something. It was like another product
• 1:43:00
  place it. Yeah, no, sometimes the product
• 1:43:03
  placements are so bad. I'm like, oh, I know.
• 1:43:07
  Can we know? It's like, you know, let's go to
• 1:43:09
  Subway again. What happened to good old
• 1:43:11
  Subway? Subway.
• 1:43:13
  You know what I prefer? Subway at this point.
• 1:43:15
  I mean, I, I do must confess that I sometimes hate when they
• 1:43:20
  have like pizza brands like Pizza Hut sometimes or whatever.
• 1:43:24
  I'm like, I don't like that. It's always too random.
• 1:43:27
  Why are you showing this pizza so close?
• 1:43:29
  I no. Yeah.
• 1:43:32
  Just I don't know. They also do that a lot in Thai
• 1:43:35
  shows. So that's maybe because I'm
• 1:43:37
  like, Oh no, can we not do another?
• 1:43:41
  Yeah, they have. So I think there are Pizza Hut
• 1:43:43
  is sometimes as sponsoring, you know, the Sirius, like it's
• 1:43:46
  fine, but I really don't want to see that pizza right now.
• 1:43:50
  Like it does not match but. It doesn't mesh with anything
• 1:43:55
  else. No, like the aesthetic is killed
• 1:43:58
  right now you're you're talking about suicide.
• 1:43:59
  We're eating on pizza and then we're gonna go.
• 1:44:02
  Yeah, no. Oh my God, you're.
• 1:44:05
  Gonna bring that into the into the afterlife, into the company.
• 1:44:12
  Do you think they. Think about it.
• 1:44:15
  Imagine having a subway in the afterlife just for product
• 1:44:18
  placement. They work all in a subway.
• 1:44:20
  That would be so funny. OK, I have no idea.
• 1:44:22
  Any idea? Don't even feel like it's a
• 1:44:24
  stretch. I don't even feel like it's a
• 1:44:26
  if. If this was I don't this could
• 1:44:29
  27. Better than it could have
• 1:44:31
  happened. True it.
• 1:44:33
  Would have worked a little bit more.
• 1:44:35
  Maybe they could have like switched the arrows or something
• 1:44:37
  on the subway logo and it could have been like that way to
• 1:44:40
  heaven, that way to hell. Oh my God, I want to see that.
• 1:44:44
  To be honest, that would be so funny.
• 1:44:46
  And maybe the colours could be, I mean, Subway could have been
• 1:44:50
  something, yeah. Well, we have.
• 1:44:52
  Or it could. Have been something else like
• 1:44:53
  instead of subway it could have been like one way or something.
• 1:44:56
  You know what I'm saying? Like.
• 1:44:58
  So many things. I don't know what they did, but
• 1:45:00
  pizza, no. No Mr. Pizza at that.
• 1:45:05
  And it looked bad. Like, not gonna lie, it looked
• 1:45:07
  bad. Episode 10 they had the sexual
• 1:45:09
  assault case. Oh my God.
• 1:45:11
  With the fraternal twins. I think I posted it on my story
• 1:45:15
  that my rage. Was so high.
• 1:45:18
  Oh my God. I mean, I do listen to a lot of
• 1:45:21
  true crime, right? So I know that this is typical
• 1:45:25
  for those. It's real, right?
• 1:45:26
  Like this is. Fucking real.
• 1:45:28
  Literally everyday life for a lot of people that had been
• 1:45:31
  through that, right? So it was so triggering because
• 1:45:36
  I just recently I heard about another two crime case, you
• 1:45:42
  know, like Korea, get your shit together.
• 1:45:45
  I know that not every country is perfect, especially when it
• 1:45:47
  comes to that. We just have so many issues, but
• 1:45:52
  this was just hitting too close. Like, yeah, and it was very.
• 1:45:57
  And I love the this sounds terrible to say, but I love the
• 1:46:00
  escalation, right? And the way that they tied
• 1:46:05
  especially the last few cases together into the the mysterious
• 1:46:11
  story of like how big red and what's his face Jungkill are
• 1:46:17
  connected. What is their past life story
• 1:46:19
  that has wrecked them into the afterlife?
• 1:46:22
  And you have the sexual assault case and the victim blaming in
• 1:46:26
  that. Then you get, you know, another
• 1:46:28
  back story for one of the the trio, the 3 Musketeers.
• 1:46:33
  Then you get the comfort women. And then you get it's, it's an
• 1:46:36
  escalation that all leads into you're gonna understand the
• 1:46:40
  gravity of their back story way better when you get there.
• 1:46:45
  Because you know, you start also with the present.
• 1:46:48
  What is going on right now with a sexual assault cases?
• 1:46:52
  How? Nothing has changed.
• 1:46:53
  And then you go back in time and still the same woman are still
• 1:46:56
  being. Same shit.
• 1:46:57
  Yeah, they have been blamed. People are still not trying to
• 1:47:01
  help them. Oh my God.
• 1:47:04
  And I mean, I when I watched the the lawyer saying like, oh, what
• 1:47:09
  were you wearing? Why did you?
• 1:47:11
  I was like, if he doesn't shut the fuck up right now, I'm gonna
• 1:47:15
  get so mad. I can't.
• 1:47:17
  Yeah, yeah, the, it's the trauma of the assault plus the trauma
• 1:47:24
  of the trial with the Skeez Ball defense attorney victim blaming,
• 1:47:30
  saying why didn't she resist or scream?
• 1:47:32
  Why didn't she escape? The door wasn't locked.
• 1:47:35
  Why wouldn't she? She would have, she wouldn't
• 1:47:37
  have stayed if she didn't like it.
• 1:47:40
  Like it's so on and so forth. What was she wearing, etcetera?
• 1:47:44
  The brother victim blaming her as soon as he sees her, saying
• 1:47:47
  it wouldn't have happened if she wasn't walking alone at night,
• 1:47:49
  if she didn't get drunk, if she wasn't reckless, this, that and
• 1:47:51
  the other. And it's, it's bad.
• 1:47:55
  Like you, by the time you get to the end of the show, you're kind
• 1:48:00
  of like, you understand what Big Red says when she says she
• 1:48:06
  called sexual assault a murder of the soul.
• 1:48:08
  Yeah, Oh, my God, I love that. You couldn't clearly see like
• 1:48:12
  every woman and girl, this is exactly what happened.
• 1:48:15
  They were still there, but their soul, especially when, you know,
• 1:48:19
  like I I did wish that the trigger one for this one was a
• 1:48:23
  little bit, you know, more than just, oh, it's suicide.
• 1:48:26
  I'm like, no. No.
• 1:48:28
  This is, well, I think it said it might have said sexual
• 1:48:30
  assault. I don't.
• 1:48:31
  Maybe say it. I I just remember every time it
• 1:48:34
  was like suicide. I'm like, OK, but this was so.
• 1:48:38
  Oh my God, it was something to watch.
• 1:48:41
  And I think in every episode they show a not a lot, but I
• 1:48:45
  think they show enough where you're like, yeah, you're
• 1:48:49
  Jarred, right? Like you're like shaking up.
• 1:48:52
  And this one is no different. And the comfort women, when
• 1:48:55
  going back to that one real fast, that was like almost the
• 1:48:58
  first time that I had seen the barracks or whatever that they
• 1:49:03
  had kept these when. So I was like, oh, and that's
• 1:49:06
  real. Like they kept them in the.
• 1:49:08
  The. Soldiers.
• 1:49:09
  Going in and all soldiers. Going in and out like 70 men a
• 1:49:13
  day and shit like that. It was just like, so that's what
• 1:49:17
  I mean by historically accurate. And this one, what's eerily
• 1:49:22
  accurate about the sexual assault case in episode 10 is
• 1:49:27
  that the guy gets a very light sentence.
• 1:49:31
  He got like two years. And I mean, probation, I think,
• 1:49:35
  was a large part of it. And it's because he was drunk In
• 1:49:41
  Korea, that's a thing. The law recognizes being drunk
• 1:49:46
  as a mitigating circumstance and therefore grounds for leniency.
• 1:49:50
  So people commit heinous, heinous crimes while they're
• 1:49:57
  drunk and they get a reduced sentence.
• 1:50:00
  And there has been a like in recent years, there's been a lot
• 1:50:05
  of uproar and demand for change. And I mean.
• 1:50:09
  On that law in Korea. He's saying, oh, he has a future
• 1:50:13
  ahead and he's a promising guy. I'm like.
• 1:50:16
  We've heard this a million times.
• 1:50:18
  He was young with a bright future.
• 1:50:20
  He's got good grades, he's well liked, he's in medical school,
• 1:50:24
  blah blah blah. And I'm like, I don't give a
• 1:50:27
  fuck. He's a hard.
• 1:50:28
  But do not human being and he should be behind bars for a
• 1:50:31
  long, long time never come out. Please.
• 1:50:33
  I don't care. No.
• 1:50:36
  Yeah. I think if you listen to a lot
• 1:50:38
  of true crime that also not only talk about Western crime but
• 1:50:43
  also about what happens maybe in Korea, in India and etcetera.
• 1:50:46
  You will see that this is not just ATV show at this point,
• 1:50:50
  like this specific episode especially, this is what's
• 1:50:53
  happening right now. There's something, I mean, there
• 1:50:56
  are cases maybe five years ago, like I usually listen to
• 1:50:59
  Stephanie Sue, right? And I'm like, yeah, five years
• 1:51:02
  ago. There are literal pedophiles
• 1:51:05
  free right now. And you know, Korea and their
• 1:51:08
  defamation laws and whatsoever. You can even name them.
• 1:51:11
  You cannot show any pictures of them.
• 1:51:13
  And they could be your neighbor and it's totally fine.
• 1:51:18
  I'm like, you know? I was super angry.
• 1:51:21
  I had to pause a few times because I was I'm gonna throw my
• 1:51:25
  iPad through the window at this point and I already watched it.
• 1:51:28
  It was my second time watching it.
• 1:51:30
  I still got mad. Yeah.
• 1:51:34
  It's just this righteous rage that courses through you when
• 1:51:38
  you're watching the show, and every episode it's a new like
• 1:51:42
  circle of. Hell, yeah.
• 1:51:43
  It was really. Oh, it was a lot.
• 1:51:46
  And then it started just, you know, it was just a start.
• 1:51:49
  You're like OK watching this as a woman sometimes it's like I
• 1:51:53
  know but damn we're all suffering I.
• 1:51:56
  Know, but damn. Damn.
• 1:51:59
  Let's watch something happy, I guess.
• 1:52:02
  Now I just want us to. Talk now, yeah, that was really
• 1:52:06
  tough. Something that they almost lost
• 1:52:08
  me with was episode nine with the suicidal dog.
• 1:52:10
  Yeah, yeah, they almost lost me with that one.
• 1:52:14
  I mean, I do have a dog, right? He does live with my mom and all
• 1:52:18
  and I. I love pets.
• 1:52:21
  Not in my home, but I do love them, yes.
• 1:52:26
  I'm listening. I'm listening.
• 1:52:27
  I was like, I think I cannot relate to that because I'm not
• 1:52:31
  that close to my pet. Maybe people with pets can.
• 1:52:39
  Yeah, feel a little bit more, you know, like it felt like it
• 1:52:41
  was a cute story also talking about the feeling of an animal,
• 1:52:47
  but this was so far away from everything else.
• 1:52:51
  I don't know. I I don't know.
• 1:52:52
  I was like OK this feel like a full episode.
• 1:52:55
  It's like, like, 'cause they, yeah.
• 1:52:58
  We went from like all of a. Sudden they introduced the
• 1:53:01
  concept of, oh, pets and animals also have yeah, get reaped,
• 1:53:07
  right? Like they have grim reapers that
• 1:53:08
  come and collect them and they go this.
• 1:53:11
  Is kind of cute. As well.
• 1:53:13
  Yeah, but. Yeah, right.
• 1:53:17
  But after like experiencing the pain and suffering of actual
• 1:53:23
  humans and the reality of life, then you settle in with episode
• 1:53:31
  9 and you're like Oh my God, who's suicidal?
• 1:53:33
  They got to save them. You think it's the you think
• 1:53:35
  it's Roman's sister for a hot 2nd And then.
• 1:53:40
  Debbie would be her. I'm like, why are you all
• 1:53:43
  jumping in front of cars? What's going on?
• 1:53:46
  Right. And then she just sits there.
• 1:53:47
  She just squats in the middle of the street.
• 1:53:48
  And I'm like. Bitch, get up.
• 1:53:50
  My. God who does?
• 1:53:52
  That you can just grab the dog and take him, you know, like to
• 1:53:55
  the side. What?
• 1:53:56
  Yeah, yeah. Did we just all get stupid or
• 1:53:58
  what's going on? So, but it wasn't her, it was
• 1:54:02
  the fucking Pomeranian that she saved.
• 1:54:06
  And I was like, oh, that's a swerve.
• 1:54:09
  That's a real swerve on the show.
• 1:54:12
  I. Remember watching for the first
• 1:54:13
  time like. Is this for real right now?
• 1:54:16
  Yeah, he. Was trying to save his owner.
• 1:54:19
  Get attention that his owner is like the dog we are talking.
• 1:54:23
  OK, so who let the dogs? Out wonderful like Big Red said
• 1:54:28
  this wonderful speech to the dog and I was like, this speech
• 1:54:33
  works, but it's a dog. So she says this.
• 1:54:37
  Do you have any idea what kind of hell it is to part ways with
• 1:54:39
  a without a proper goodbye? It's no different than choosing
• 1:54:43
  an eternal hell just to escape the pain in the present, which
• 1:54:46
  is like aha later in the show when you find out what the hell
• 1:54:50
  hurts history is You left because you didn't want him to
• 1:54:53
  feel that pain. But that should be up to the
• 1:54:55
  people who are left behind. It would be selfish not to let
• 1:54:59
  him even do that. Of course it's hard and sad when
• 1:55:01
  a family member you love is dying, but you need to go
• 1:55:04
  through that time to be able to miss your loved ones freely.
• 1:55:07
  It might hurt to think about them immediately, but the sense
• 1:55:09
  of longing is created because of happy memories.
• 1:55:12
  And I'm like, this is a wonderful.
• 1:55:13
  Speech. Why not too a human?
• 1:55:15
  It's a wonderful concept. But it's a two way fucking.
• 1:55:19
  Oh, and you? Know about a pomery?
• 1:55:21
  OK, but listen, I could have handled that if not in the end
• 1:55:26
  that damn dog was licking all over his mouth like when he was
• 1:55:30
  saying goodbye. The dog's acting was not even a
• 1:55:33
  plus. It was like.
• 1:55:35
  B minus Yeah. And then B was licking his
• 1:55:37
  owner's mouth all the time. Like, this is absolutely
• 1:55:39
  disgusting. I refuse.
• 1:55:40
  Absolutely not. Yeah, I like.
• 1:55:42
  I get it, you all love your dogs and go for it, but stop letting
• 1:55:47
  your dog lick your mouth. We're all this.
• 1:55:51
  We're the same. Family I can.
• 1:55:53
  This was so disgusting. I lost my.
• 1:55:55
  Shit, I can look the dog. Some people are here like, oh,
• 1:55:58
  the dog's dog's mouths are cleaner than human mouths and
• 1:56:01
  like humans don't normally eat. Shit, yeah, he's also not
• 1:56:05
  licking. Other people's do, as far as I
• 1:56:06
  know. Like at least I'm not OK, I'm
• 1:56:09
  not doing that right, but not judging people that do.
• 1:56:13
  That I don't know. Did you eat grass Stew?
• 1:56:15
  Yeah. Oh, OK, So what are we talking
• 1:56:18
  about? It's.
• 1:56:19
  Disgusting. I was just like.
• 1:56:22
  Don't let your dogs lick you in the face, in the mouth.
• 1:56:26
  I mean, they showed it for quite a long time.
• 1:56:28
  Like that's too much. It was a.
• 1:56:29
  It was. A long little scene.
• 1:56:31
  Yeah. The whole were they reunited in
• 1:56:34
  in the director's office? And you're like, oh.
• 1:56:38
  That's awkward. Yeah, that's awkward.
• 1:56:40
  Oh, I don't know. This whole episode was like,
• 1:56:43
  yeah, I get it. You all love your dogs and pets
• 1:56:47
  and all. It's really sad when they go
• 1:56:48
  and, I don't know, stop letting your dogs like, your face.
• 1:56:52
  Anyways, rest in peace. A little Pomeranian.
• 1:56:56
  I. Didn't.
• 1:56:57
  So the only time that I was like, OK, I kind of get it is
• 1:57:00
  when they reunited the dog with the owner and the owner started
• 1:57:04
  kind of opening up to the dog and I was like, all right, this
• 1:57:09
  is a little bit better because I understand the owner losing the
• 1:57:13
  pet. I thought that like, I
• 1:57:16
  understand that, like absolutely.
• 1:57:18
  But the dog's point of view, I was like, yeah, but I understand
• 1:57:23
  a in a fraction. I understand a fraction of it
• 1:57:26
  because obviously there's really sad stories of, you know, the
• 1:57:31
  owner got in a car accident and the dog wouldn't eat for weeks
• 1:57:36
  until the owner returned. And like, there's stories like
• 1:57:38
  that. Absolutely.
• 1:57:41
  Or the owner died. The owner died and the dog like
• 1:57:45
  stood vigil. At the at the.
• 1:57:47
  Cemetery for for the rest of its life.
• 1:57:50
  Like there's stories like that absolutely, 100%.
• 1:57:52
  It's all true, but also it's an animal.
• 1:57:57
  But also thing you could have never done this absurd with a
• 1:58:00
  cat. You could.
• 1:58:02
  Right, right. Like this could only be done
• 1:58:05
  with a dog. Like, you can't do it with,
• 1:58:07
  like, a chinchilla. Yeah, can't do it with a bearded
• 1:58:12
  dragon. Yeah, like, you know, at this
• 1:58:14
  point I was watching like, I don't know people why I'm
• 1:58:20
  watching this. This was really the only episode
• 1:58:22
  where I'm like, yeah, I'm sad. But also, we had the veteran
• 1:58:27
  episode, right? Right.
• 1:58:32
  Like what do you? Mean I'm not watching a dog.
• 1:58:34
  We had a. Fucking Korean War battle.
• 1:58:37
  We had so many. And we had a wonderful they
• 1:58:40
  recreated the Korean what? That sequence is amazing.
• 1:58:44
  We had, you know, before then. You're like.
• 1:58:46
  So many things, bullying, body shaming, like a workplace,
• 1:58:50
  everything we had so many things.
• 1:58:52
  And then we had like. Harassed into the workplace and
• 1:58:54
  the bulimic and then. A dog you get.
• 1:58:58
  A fucking dog. In episode 9, and you're like,
• 1:59:01
  what? You.
• 1:59:03
  Yeah. Taken aback.
• 1:59:04
  Taken aback. I mean, it's astonishing that
• 1:59:07
  some people would be like, oh, you just don't get him.
• 1:59:09
  Like, yeah, I don't. I swear, people, you cannot
• 1:59:12
  explain it to me in a way that I will ever get it.
• 1:59:14
  And I have a dog. Will I be sad when he's gone?
• 1:59:17
  Probably. Uh huh.
• 1:59:20
  I felt, you know, OK, I do have to jump in here and say we had
• 1:59:24
  a, a family dog for the longest time.
• 1:59:27
  We, it was a rescue and his name was Zeus and it was a, a
• 1:59:31
  miniature pinscher. Sweetest dog, the best dog we've
• 1:59:34
  ever had. We've had some crazy ass dogs
• 1:59:36
  that we've had to sell or give away and stuff when we were
• 1:59:39
  children, especially because we could as children, we couldn't
• 1:59:42
  necessarily take care of the dog.
• 1:59:44
  It was all down to my parents, really my mom.
• 1:59:49
  And so now when we're older, we got this dog.
• 1:59:51
  We had him for like 13 years, but he was already a rescue.
• 1:59:56
  We didn't know how old he was, and it was all like a guessing
• 1:59:58
  game as how old the dog was. The dog started doing really
• 2:00:00
  badly during the pandemic. He had major separation anxiety.
• 2:00:05
  It was awful, awful. The dog was doing horrendous.
• 2:00:09
  A lot of upheaval in the family, family members dying, and like
• 2:00:12
  the dog was doing terribly. Then he got sick and he could
• 2:00:17
  barely hear anymore. He's like basically deaf,
• 2:00:19
  basically couldn't see anything. And then he kind of had like a
• 2:00:23
  stroke thing. And we were like, OK, no, like,
• 2:00:25
  this dog is suffering every day. Like he can barely walk.
• 2:00:29
  So we went to go put him down. And I thought, I'm going to be
• 2:00:32
  strong. I love this dog.
• 2:00:35
  I love this dog. We've had it for many, many
• 2:00:37
  years, girl. When it came time to put the dog
• 2:00:41
  down in the middle of this pandemic, girl, you were all
• 2:00:45
  sobbing in the room, crying in the room.
• 2:00:49
  And they, I think they've seen a lot of people that have lost
• 2:00:53
  their shit, like putting their pets down.
• 2:00:57
  So they were saying really crazy shit that we were like, you
• 2:00:59
  would say this for a human dying, but OK, so we all kind of
• 2:01:04
  had our whips about us. But when it came time to
• 2:01:06
  actually put our dog down, it was extremely sad.
• 2:01:09
  It was heartbreaking. And we left, we were all
• 2:01:12
  different feeling different, like we left feeling so
• 2:01:14
  different. So I understand this feeling of
• 2:01:17
  like, maybe I, I probably feel sad when I when I have to let
• 2:01:21
  the dog go. And then when it happens, you're
• 2:01:23
  like, well, damn. Fuck shit that was awful.
• 2:01:26
  Oh my God that was the saddest thing ever.
• 2:01:30
  So I get that, but man, I feel like still not to the extent of
• 2:01:34
  an entire episode on a suicidal. Dog maybe if they make, you
• 2:01:37
  know, like the point of view of the owner a little bit more.
• 2:01:41
  Maybe, but even then, like he was a different kind of dog
• 2:01:45
  owner than than we evidently are.
• 2:01:47
  Yeah, I, I don't know, I guess this is something that maybe the
• 2:01:53
  director or writer can explain to us.
• 2:01:55
  Maybe they had a dog and they were trying, you know, to also
• 2:01:58
  heal. Yeah.
• 2:01:59
  So I'm judging that it was there, to be honest.
• 2:02:04
  But you know what? If you felt like it was
• 2:02:07
  necessary. So people are ready for what's
• 2:02:09
  coming next. Fair enough.
• 2:02:11
  I'll just assume that's what they're trying to do.
• 2:02:13
  Right. You know, like a little laugh in
• 2:02:15
  the middle little bit. Yeah.
• 2:02:18
  Hey, at least this time the human is surviving and it's just
• 2:02:21
  the dark dying fun. Amazing.
• 2:02:24
  Right, the human survive. Oh my God, episode.
• 2:02:27
  I know episode eight they had to save the criminal who was the
• 2:02:31
  suicide broker. Oh my.
• 2:02:33
  God. Bro The funny thing I just a
• 2:02:37
  few. Weeks ago, there was I listened
• 2:02:39
  to this true crime episode talking exactly about something
• 2:02:43
  like that. Like there was a suicide broker
• 2:02:45
  in Japan. Yes.
• 2:02:47
  And I was like, oh, now I remember because when I first
• 2:02:51
  watched it, I didn't I was like listened to true crime.
• 2:02:53
  I didn't do this episode yet. And I was like, Oh my God, this
• 2:02:58
  actually happened in real life. Like, this is not something
• 2:03:02
  because, you know, when you watch it for something, it's
• 2:03:04
  like, no way. And there is no way that
• 2:03:07
  someone's really doing something like that.
• 2:03:08
  Going out of their way to help people die instead of helping
• 2:03:12
  them live, like, you know, doing our RM team's job, right?
• 2:03:17
  But there is literally a person that did that.
• 2:03:19
  And I think he is now free because, you know, they were
• 2:03:24
  trying to die and he was just helping.
• 2:03:26
  Us right. You took it.
• 2:03:28
  That took me back. I'm sorry.
• 2:03:29
  Yeah, no, I, I, I if I remember correctly, I'll, I can send you
• 2:03:32
  the episode. But yeah, he the sentence was
• 2:03:36
  not too severe or anything and was like, what do you mean?
• 2:03:41
  But it's Oh my God, he literally did that.
• 2:03:44
  People were trying, you know, on Twitter X whatever, saying hey,
• 2:03:48
  I don't feel good. And he would text them.
• 2:03:51
  Hey, need someone to listen to who can come to me And yeah.
• 2:03:56
  Horrible. Oh my God.
• 2:03:57
  It was the same thing. Yeah.
• 2:03:59
  And stealing these poor people's money.
• 2:04:03
  Yes. To tell them how to die
• 2:04:04
  painlessly. Was He was the person?
• 2:04:06
  Who was actually inviting them to his place?
• 2:04:08
  I think there's two cases that are similar, but this one that I
• 2:04:12
  remember, he was trying to first of all get their money.
• 2:04:16
  And also it was trying to get mainly girls and, you know, SA
• 2:04:20
  and whatever. Oh.
• 2:04:22
  God. But also saying, yeah, I can
• 2:04:24
  help you die. And yeah, helping them in a
• 2:04:28
  really horrible way. So yeah, it's horrible.
• 2:04:33
  So people are actually out there.
• 2:04:36
  Just have no shame. Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:04:38
  Not shame. Oh my God.
• 2:04:40
  My God. So, OK, so this guy in the show,
• 2:04:47
  he was like getting high off of watching these people die.
• 2:04:51
  This was his thing and. He was so gross.
• 2:04:53
  This actor was so good. Too good at acting.
• 2:04:58
  He was chewing up scenery. Yeah, just acting a literal
• 2:05:01
  psycho. Oh yeah, I mean, it was insane
• 2:05:03
  because the first time when I watched it, I did not recognize,
• 2:05:06
  I did not see that he would be like part of the group saying
• 2:05:09
  that they want to die. Right.
• 2:05:12
  And then you get, this was A twist, right?
• 2:05:14
  And you're like, I'm so glad that the other two escaped,
• 2:05:17
  Like, escaped. Not listened to Rowan and be
• 2:05:19
  like, OK, you know, never mind. It's not that serious.
• 2:05:21
  I'm going back home. I'm so sorry, guys.
• 2:05:23
  If I talk to it a little bit more, you know, casual.
• 2:05:25
  It's just the way that I handled this kind of thing.
• 2:05:28
  Anyways, I was like OK. This one they did.
• 2:05:32
  Escape, though, Yeah, but they escaped.
• 2:05:35
  But Oh my God, no. I was so mad at him and the way
• 2:05:38
  that he talked when he was still on the ground, still acting all
• 2:05:43
  my team like, oh, you're not gonna be better than me, Just
• 2:05:45
  kill me. And then we're gonna see.
• 2:05:47
  I'm like, oh, Merwin was stronger than me.
• 2:05:51
  To be honest, I'm pretty sure. I would have stomped his head
• 2:05:55
  in. Oh my God.
• 2:05:56
  I. Wouldn't have even waited for
• 2:05:59
  the poison to take effect. Oh my God.
• 2:06:02
  They would have to lock me up. No, that this comes into play
• 2:06:06
  right, because they they talk through this mandate of their
• 2:06:12
  mission is to save everyone regardless of what they've done.
• 2:06:15
  If they're a criminal, if their soul is rotten, it doesn't
• 2:06:18
  matter. And it comes back to what the
• 2:06:22
  director said earlier in the show that like, she's not fair.
• 2:06:25
  Yeah, the Jade Emperor is not fair, but she is impartial.
• 2:06:33
  Yeah, this episode was really hard because I just know I'm the
• 2:06:37
  type of person I would have probably made a different
• 2:06:41
  decision. I cannot handle this kind of
• 2:06:45
  thing. And I think that I myself would
• 2:06:47
  also be like, I need to go or I'm gonna do something here that
• 2:06:52
  I'm gonna regret, but I'm still gonna be the bad person here.
• 2:06:58
  Oh yeah, I said. I think I've said this in other
• 2:07:01
  episodes. I have a little violent heart,
• 2:07:04
  and this wouldn't have ended the way Rowan did things in the
• 2:07:10
  episode if it was me, he said. I didn't want to become the same
• 2:07:14
  as him and I'm like, you would never have been the same as.
• 2:07:18
  Him I'm like I, I wouldn't be the same.
• 2:07:20
  It was just. Because, you know, if I'm doing
• 2:07:24
  the whole math here, I'm still, you know, the whole.
• 2:07:28
  I'm doing the math. I'm helping more people here.
• 2:07:31
  You know you have to sacrifice one if I have to sacrifice this
• 2:07:34
  one, I'm happy. We can do that no problem.
• 2:07:37
  I I will sleep so well afterwards.
• 2:07:40
  Probably not, but you know I. Would sleep so.
• 2:07:42
  Well, afterwards, but also. He was already poisoned, right?
• 2:07:45
  So all you had to do is he was he poisoned himself.
• 2:07:48
  I'm like, OK then. Bye.
• 2:07:51
  I'm called the ambulance in a few minutes.
• 2:07:54
  Any lost words? No.
• 2:07:56
  OK. Oh God yeah.
• 2:07:58
  But that actor I was pretty impressed with the the twist
• 2:08:02
  first of all of him being his code name or not code name but
• 2:08:07
  his online name was Beta Male. I don't remember the name.
• 2:08:13
  Oh, Oh my. God, it's like, Oh my God.
• 2:08:16
  And then? The So that's how he showed up
• 2:08:18
  as initially was beta male and then it turns out he was
• 2:08:21
  actually also Grim Reaper. Yeah, Oh.
• 2:08:25
  Quote UN Quote The guy that was the broker the.
• 2:08:30
  Broker, Oh my God, that sounds so so weird the whole story I
• 2:08:36
  would just wish it wasn't true that something like that could
• 2:08:39
  never happen that no one would be this horrible to know use
• 2:08:43
  something people are suffering and they're like I'm gonna use
• 2:08:47
  that and I'm gonna make mine out of it I'm.
• 2:08:48
  Gonna take advantage of that. That's the word, thank you.
• 2:08:51
  And I, Oh my God. But they have people like that
• 2:08:54
  and it's so horrible. Piece of shit.
• 2:08:56
  Super horrible. Oh my God, Yeah, no.
• 2:08:59
  Yeah. Oh.
• 2:09:00
  I also liked in this episode how they were kind of like, well if
• 2:09:04
  we don't handle this, if he doesn't get his punishment now,
• 2:09:09
  he'll get it later and he gets his because they saved him.
• 2:09:15
  He gets punished while he's alive.
• 2:09:19
  I love. That.
• 2:09:20
  The punishment and the punishment was like, it comes
• 2:09:24
  out that he did all of this stuff, so he's going to get
• 2:09:26
  punished criminally, like legally for it.
• 2:09:29
  And then they also did this cosmic punishment of like, he
• 2:09:33
  lost his hearing and then he lost his ability to speak
• 2:09:36
  because of the poison that he gave himself.
• 2:09:41
  I still don't know if it was enough, you know what I'm
• 2:09:43
  saying? Like I was like, OK, why can't
• 2:09:45
  he just rot in hell for eternity?
• 2:09:46
  Like that seems OK too. I mean, that's what I.
• 2:09:51
  He got scared, he got scared when shit Jungkill I literally
• 2:09:56
  his name blinks. I blink on it every time
• 2:10:00
  Jungkill ABS the voice shows up and sort of helps them because
• 2:10:05
  he puts a fear of God in in the dude.
• 2:10:08
  He gives him a little vision of hell.
• 2:10:13
  He's like this is what you deserve.
• 2:10:14
  Your soul is just rotten. All the shit you've done, this
• 2:10:17
  is what you deserve. And he's like, save me, Save me
• 2:10:21
  because I want to escape this cosmic punishment, like this
• 2:10:24
  eternal punishment that I'm going to get if I continue to
• 2:10:27
  die. And I was like, yeah, no, let's
• 2:10:30
  just leave it status quo. And also thought like, dude, you
• 2:10:35
  cannot. Escape.
• 2:10:36
  You're so scared of it, this. Is going to happen.
• 2:10:39
  I mean, now or later, it doesn't matter.
• 2:10:41
  But you did things. You deserve way worse.
• 2:10:44
  So yeah, no, he would be dying. I would be watching uh huh, like
• 2:10:48
  I did now, but also I just wrote down like this was the first
• 2:10:52
  episode that we saw Mr. Sexy voice as I wrote here they.
• 2:10:57
  Saw I like that, Mister sexy. Voice.
• 2:10:59
  Yeah, cool Gun for the first time in his nightmares.
• 2:11:02
  This was the first episode that we got like, this tiny hint that
• 2:11:05
  she was there. So I think I was focusing more
• 2:11:07
  on that because I was getting way too angry.
• 2:11:10
  It's like, Oh my God. I can't.
• 2:11:12
  We were like, let's focus on this bright spot over here of
• 2:11:15
  like, impending drama versus this horrific.
• 2:11:18
  Oh my God. Storyline that's in front of me
• 2:11:21
  right now because I there's no I feel kind of helpless right now.
• 2:11:26
  There's no way to like, fix this.
• 2:11:28
  Episode 7 The Bulimic Woman. Oh wow, yeah.
• 2:11:33
  I mean, they talked about so many things.
• 2:11:34
  Immediately that it wasn't the fat girl.
• 2:11:37
  I was like, it's not her. She's.
• 2:11:38
  Not she is. Living her life, she.
• 2:11:39
  Loves herself. She loves.
• 2:11:41
  She she was good, yeah. Mm hmm.
• 2:11:44
  Yeah. So I clocked that it was the the
• 2:11:48
  really thin woman initially. And they were like, it's got to
• 2:11:52
  be the other, it's got to be the overweight woman.
• 2:11:55
  And I'm like, OK, why? OK, why is it got to be the
• 2:11:59
  overweight lady that's suicidal? I mean.
• 2:12:02
  But they were treating her like shit too.
• 2:12:04
  Like it was bottom line, the episode was saying women's
• 2:12:08
  bodies can just never be. Everybody got a comment.
• 2:12:12
  Everybody had to say something. It was like whether you're fat,
• 2:12:16
  skinny, too skinny, too fat, it was nothing.
• 2:12:20
  You cannot be perfect. Fucking shut.
• 2:12:23
  Up. Let.
• 2:12:25
  Let. Women B And I mean, I love the
• 2:12:27
  girl that will, I don't know, like chubby, a little bit
• 2:12:32
  weight, had a little bit of weight on.
• 2:12:34
  I just loved her attitude because I usually don't show
• 2:12:36
  this type of character in Korean dramas being happy with
• 2:12:40
  themselves, right? Usually you just get like a
• 2:12:41
  depressed girl that's overweight or whatever and she hates
• 2:12:45
  herself. And we finally got a confident,
• 2:12:48
  bigger woman. And I loved her.
• 2:12:50
  Who's not in a fat suit, by the way?
• 2:12:51
  Not a skinny woman in a fat suit.
• 2:12:54
  So I was like, OK. How amazing is that?
• 2:12:56
  We have never seen that before. We all know that there's always
• 2:12:59
  some underlying. Yeah.
• 2:13:01
  Bullying happening. But this one was great because
• 2:13:05
  even when she was always confronted, even by the boss,
• 2:13:07
  she was like, yeah, so I like food and this is a good
• 2:13:10
  restaurant and why would you not enjoy this?
• 2:13:13
  Whatever I'm eating right now, right?
• 2:13:15
  So I love that. And especially the conversation
• 2:13:18
  she had with the polemic girl in the end, it was super great.
• 2:13:22
  I love that 'cause you have like the contrast of both, you know?
• 2:13:26
  She is happy with herself and the polemic girl is learning to
• 2:13:31
  love herself again. To love herself again, to find a
• 2:13:35
  happy medium. Yeah, to eat.
• 2:13:37
  Without hating herself. And the whole workplace
• 2:13:40
  harassment, Oh my God. Oh no.
• 2:13:43
  It's a classic and oh funny thing I read and on MDLA comment
• 2:13:49
  was like what do you think is happening corporate world
• 2:13:52
  because she was like or her him. I don't know that this episode
• 2:13:57
  was quite unrealistic, as if in this age and time they are still
• 2:14:01
  this kind of harassment at work like.
• 2:14:04
  Yeah. Oh, OK, so let's pause here In
• 2:14:06
  Korea, there are no anti discrimination laws at all.
• 2:14:11
  So. So yeah, I mean, there's nothing
• 2:14:13
  in place to stop this at a legal from a legal standpoint.
• 2:14:17
  They can do whatever the fuck they want.
• 2:14:18
  They can say whatever the fuck they want.
• 2:14:19
  There's no protections for any. Citizen, right.
• 2:14:24
  I'm like, I get it if you have like this perfect working
• 2:14:28
  environment for you, but I I've been there.
• 2:14:31
  I had bosses say things. I'm like, excuse me, I don't
• 2:14:35
  think you should be saying that. Sideways.
• 2:14:37
  That's not good. Or interviews where people ask
• 2:14:39
  me about boyfriends. Like you're not allowed to do
• 2:14:41
  that. I'm gonna go.
• 2:14:42
  Not allowed. So we have lost for that.
• 2:14:45
  And I'm like, this comment just shows that some people need to
• 2:14:50
  do a little bit more research before commenting and maybe
• 2:14:54
  after watching a drama, just, you know, type on Google, Hey,
• 2:14:58
  harassment at work, Korea or any other.
• 2:15:01
  Place what is the culture? What is?
• 2:15:03
  The Yeah. What's the law where there are
• 2:15:06
  lack of? Laws, sometimes the lack of
• 2:15:09
  understanding how some cultures work or laws you see that like
• 2:15:14
  special dish drama. I think some people should have
• 2:15:17
  done a little bit of research. Right, Yeah.
• 2:15:23
  Mm. Hmm.
• 2:15:24
  The next one, not next one. We're literally going backwards
• 2:15:27
  through the drama. But episode 6, they have the
• 2:15:31
  Korean War vet episode where he collects cardboard as an elderly
• 2:15:37
  man. This is.
• 2:15:39
  Again, this is real like there is.
• 2:15:43
  A. So many elderly people in Korea
• 2:15:47
  do this as their job, not only cardboard, they pick up and sell
• 2:15:53
  everything that can be recycled. They collect plastic boxes,
• 2:15:56
  newspapers, books, appliances, wooden furniture, everything.
• 2:16:01
  Elderly poverty in Korea is overwhelmingly the highest among
• 2:16:05
  OECD countries, and they get remarkably little for the amount
• 2:16:10
  of work and hours that they put in.
• 2:16:13
  I'm talking like maybe $15 a day for all of they and they work
• 2:16:19
  the whole day picking up. A cardboard.
• 2:16:21
  I mean, we even saw like in this episode, he was not only picking
• 2:16:25
  cardboard, right? He had like this trash on the
• 2:16:27
  side and he was picking everything.
• 2:16:29
  And then when they were green, Rivers said, hey, but it's
• 2:16:31
  dirty. It's like, no, it's no problem.
• 2:16:33
  Just pick it all up. And it was like, this is so
• 2:16:37
  heartbreaking. Like I know that this is a
• 2:16:39
  veteran. Yeah, this is someone who fought
• 2:16:41
  for this. Country.
• 2:16:42
  Like for real, especially in Korea has touched us.
• 2:16:45
  You know, like the war in Korea Horrific, right?
• 2:16:48
  We so many times talking about it already, like this man, he
• 2:16:53
  was fighting for all of you. He was always throwing the hat
• 2:16:58
  when he said why he does that. He's like, no, I'm gone.
• 2:17:02
  Like people, what the fuck? This is so heartbreaking.
• 2:17:06
  He's like, yeah, I just want them to know that I did
• 2:17:09
  something. Yeah.
• 2:17:11
  His whole back story was super sad.
• 2:17:14
  The man that he held, the young boy, the.
• 2:17:17
  Man that he helped and then he was.
• 2:17:19
  Yeah, he was. He had his own Lieutenant Dan
• 2:17:22
  moment, and it was resentment there and they had to get
• 2:17:26
  closure out of it. And he had to realize that he
• 2:17:30
  wasn't to blame for ruining his man's life, for saving it.
• 2:17:33
  I think it was also really cute when they showed him.
• 2:17:37
  So now, you know, like the whole view of soul and like, hey, you
• 2:17:41
  fought for that. Without you we would not be
• 2:17:43
  here. It's like, oh, that's cute
• 2:17:45
  because usually we sometimes forget what happened in the past
• 2:17:49
  and what made us get here, right?
• 2:17:52
  Like Germany has like a huge history, horrible history.
• 2:17:57
  And we do learn a lot about it in school.
• 2:17:59
  But sometimes we just forget that a lot of lives has been
• 2:18:01
  lost. Just so you know, the way that
• 2:18:04
  we live now, I think to the people that helped us get here,
• 2:18:09
  it was super nice to see that I'm showing him, yes, cute.
• 2:18:14
  Uh huh. Yeah, when she took him to that
• 2:18:16
  lookout. I don't know what skyscraper
• 2:18:18
  that was, but it's this giant view of soul.
• 2:18:21
  And. Saying that his life was not
• 2:18:23
  meaningless and his bravery brought about an era of peace
• 2:18:28
  and this bright future that's he's staring out at.
• 2:18:31
  And I did cry when all of the Reapers came to pay their
• 2:18:37
  respects to him. I mean, especially because went
• 2:18:41
  to ask for help me like, hey, can you do this?
• 2:18:44
  And Mr. Grumpy was like, no, that's your business.
• 2:18:49
  I'm just collecting the soul and my minions can do that.
• 2:18:52
  And then he still, you know, got there with everybody was like,
• 2:18:56
  OK. He's a good guy.
• 2:18:59
  Oh my God, I like was so emotional during this and she
• 2:19:04
  said the director comes too. To see him off.
• 2:19:08
  And she said at the end of her little speech, your soul will be
• 2:19:11
  blessed beyond what your life has been worth.
• 2:19:13
  I don't. Know.
• 2:19:13
  Yeah, no. I was crying.
• 2:19:16
  I was crying. So much here.
• 2:19:18
  And then Rowan is also just crying and I love it.
• 2:19:24
  This is. He was crying a lot.
• 2:19:26
  Yeah, but he's crying here, and the old man has already passed
• 2:19:30
  away, and it's his soul talking to him.
• 2:19:34
  And he comes out and says, why are you crying when I'm going
• 2:19:37
  somewhere nice? I lost it all over again.
• 2:19:39
  Like he cugs Ro Wu and Ro Wu and salutes.
• 2:19:42
  Him I. Lost it was a lot for me I'm
• 2:19:44
  like, Oh my God, that was such a tiny cute detail because you
• 2:19:49
  know a lot of the like the Korean men have to go to
• 2:19:53
  military service. So Arun was, Oh yeah, Karun was
• 2:19:55
  definitely familiar with it, right?
• 2:19:58
  And usually seeing something like that from a country that
• 2:20:01
  has this whole respect your elders thing, it's so sad 'cause
• 2:20:07
  why you're respecting your elders, maybe in the company,
• 2:20:09
  but not the one picking up trash in on the street, right?
• 2:20:12
  Like that was super sad. Anyway, So I, I mean, there's
• 2:20:21
  more, obviously we could keep going back through the episodes,
• 2:20:24
  but I think those are the most impactful.
• 2:20:28
  Yeah, honestly. I mean, everything else we
• 2:20:31
  already know, right? Like the whole bullying,
• 2:20:34
  celebrity bullying, it's always some kind of bullying, right?
• 2:20:38
  So both episodes are impactful as well, but.
• 2:20:43
  Right. I think the only thing that I
• 2:20:46
  wanted to talk about was some sort of, I don't want to say
• 2:20:50
  lore, but sort of establishing like what the conditions of like
• 2:20:57
  the suicides and the, you know, what is fate?
• 2:21:01
  What is the coincidence and stuff in life, in this in life.
• 2:21:06
  And let me see. So Big Red talks to Rowan about
• 2:21:11
  this because he's asking questions.
• 2:21:12
  He's he's the audience proxy. And so she says, other than
• 2:21:18
  natural causes, deaths are caused by a myriad of outside
• 2:21:21
  factors like crimes or accidents, not karmic debt
• 2:21:25
  incurred in people's past lives or fate, Which is a huge thing
• 2:21:31
  to say after he asks why the musician in that episode lost so
• 2:21:36
  many people in his life. What did he do in his past life
• 2:21:39
  to deserve losing all of these people?
• 2:21:43
  And she says he didn't do anything like there was nothing
• 2:21:45
  that he did to deserve all of these people dying.
• 2:21:52
  There was no cars, karmic debt that he is is paying for.
• 2:21:59
  And I just came up of watching Autumn in My Heart, which is a
• 2:22:03
  2000 K. I'm talking about the year 2000
• 2:22:07
  K drama where the tragic ending is also deemed a car, a karmic
• 2:22:12
  punishment for their love flying in the face of like, Confucian
• 2:22:16
  ideals, which includes filial piety.
• 2:22:19
  And many K dramas subscribe to the somewhat religious idea that
• 2:22:26
  your life will inform your past life will inform your current
• 2:22:29
  life. And so this is a refreshingly
• 2:22:33
  modern idea that's so true. That takes sin out of the
• 2:22:37
  equation. Like you didn't do anything to
• 2:22:39
  deserve something bad happening to you.
• 2:22:41
  She basically says like shit just happened.
• 2:22:43
  Yeah, I mean she really sad. Like, yeah, I mean, you can
• 2:22:46
  influence how you live your life, but you cannot influence
• 2:22:48
  how other people are living their life, right.
• 2:22:50
  You have criminals, they decide to be a criminal.
• 2:22:53
  They are bad people and they will of course that maybe at
• 2:22:55
  some point influence your life, but you did nothing to do that.
• 2:22:58
  When I first heard it was like, usually it's not like that.
• 2:23:02
  So it was first of all, I don't know if I like it, but also I
• 2:23:05
  did, even though I thought it was a little bit sad for this
• 2:23:09
  poor guy who has lost so many people.
• 2:23:11
  Like I just wished he was like a bad guy and was deserving this.
• 2:23:15
  So it makes sense in my mind to not be so heartbreaking, but
• 2:23:20
  getting the words he did nothing.
• 2:23:21
  He was just existing, but everybody else around him took
• 2:23:26
  different decisions and that was it.
• 2:23:29
  You know the output of like heartbreaking but.
• 2:23:32
  And it affected him. Yeah, that's.
• 2:23:33
  So true. But they also introduced the
• 2:23:36
  concept of the red string of fate in this episode for those
• 2:23:39
  who are who don't know like what that is, who have never watched
• 2:23:45
  a show or any any K media with with this concept in it before.
• 2:23:49
  She says. The good thing is, no matter how
• 2:23:52
  many times those two meaning the couple in that episode, how many
• 2:23:56
  times those two are reborn, they will meet again in the end.
• 2:24:00
  Roman asks is that what you call Inyon, which is in the show?
• 2:24:04
  It's translated to destiny. Inyon is like this bigger kind
• 2:24:08
  of concept, but she says people who are destined to be with each
• 2:24:12
  other are connected by a red thread beyond their souls.
• 2:24:16
  Unless they break that thread themselves, AKA suicide, they
• 2:24:20
  will meet that person again no matter how many times you are
• 2:24:23
  reborn. I mean, I absolutely love
• 2:24:26
  everything with the red string ride.
• 2:24:28
  Even like in sea dramas when you have like the realm and they
• 2:24:31
  have like this one person that has to deal with marriages and
• 2:24:34
  like, yeah, I love you already. I don't care.
• 2:24:38
  So. I just love this whole idea.
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  This is the romantic side of me and I'm like, OK, having a
• 2:24:44
  soulmate, even I don't really believe in that.
• 2:24:47
  I just like the idea of it. I think it's such a beautiful
• 2:24:49
  idea that you have a soulmate. That what, as long as you don't
• 2:24:53
  make anything to, you know, never see this person again,
• 2:24:57
  you'll always meet each other and the episode with the singer,
• 2:25:01
  I was just like, OK, they're super cute together.
• 2:25:04
  They worked so hard and I. That could be an entire episode,
• 2:25:08
  could have been a whole K. Drama.
• 2:25:09
  Oh, for real? I was like, yeah, I'm super
• 2:25:11
  invested. I loved it so much.
• 2:25:13
  It's like a typical K drama. But the girl just said, you
• 2:25:16
  know, I'm moving in, buddy. Yeah, this apartment looks so
• 2:25:20
  cozy right now. I love that she was.
• 2:25:23
  I also loved that she was. The.
• 2:25:24
  Strong one in the relationship. She made a marriage proposal.
• 2:25:28
  I love that. When a woman as in marriage, I'm
• 2:25:31
  like, yeah, let's do that, girl. Yeah, the whole red string
• 2:25:35
  thing. I love it.
• 2:25:36
  So I think I was more intrigued by the whole idea of having your
• 2:25:41
  soul mate in in all of the episodes.
• 2:25:44
  Yeah. Than everything else.
• 2:25:47
  Yeah, inion. If you scroll back in the
• 2:25:53
  podcast feed, there's an episode on the movie Past Lives that
• 2:25:56
  goes into more detail on what inion is because there's a
• 2:25:59
  literal definition of it in the movie.
• 2:26:01
  But inion is a Korean word that means fate or Providence.
• 2:26:06
  And this is coming from this is scary, but Google AI overview.
• 2:26:11
  This is the probably the first and last time I'm ever going to
• 2:26:13
  read this out loud because I don't like AI, but it's
• 2:26:18
  specifically used to describe the relationships between
• 2:26:21
  people. It's thought to come from
• 2:26:22
  Buddhism and reincarnation, and refers to the strings of fate
• 2:26:25
  that connect people throughout their reincarnated lives.
• 2:26:27
  For example, if two strangers accidentally brushed past each
• 2:26:31
  other on the street, it could be considered an inion because it
• 2:26:34
  might mean they had something in common in a past life.
• 2:26:37
  I love. That which I think is a direct
• 2:26:39
  quote from the movie Past lives so that AI is stealing from the
• 2:26:43
  movie anyway. Yikes, you're laughing, but
• 2:26:50
  yeah. No, it's fine.
• 2:26:51
  Long story short, I wanted to say what Indian was because I
• 2:26:55
  almost feel like destiny is not a good like word to encompass
• 2:27:01
  the concept of Indian. I feel like if you consume a lot
• 2:27:04
  of media that talks about that topic that has people with the
• 2:27:07
  whole red string of fate and you get a yeah, better understanding
• 2:27:12
  of it. Because for me, just really
• 2:27:14
  like, yeah, I get it. But I need to see it work out in
• 2:27:17
  a way. And I love how Asian dramas will
• 2:27:19
  always have this in a lot of dramas.
• 2:27:23
  I I just really love this whole idea.
• 2:27:26
  And I mean, even being not Only Connect to your soulmate, but
• 2:27:30
  people that you knew in your past life, friends, family, just
• 2:27:34
  people to have like a strong connection with.
• 2:27:36
  It's such an amazing idea. Just even right now, like
• 2:27:38
  knowing my friends, I'm like, hey, you know what?
• 2:27:41
  Even if it's romantic, in my next life, knowing that these
• 2:27:45
  people could still be around me, I'm like, yeah, I love that.
• 2:27:48
  I just love the idea of it. It's.
• 2:27:50
  It's a nice romantic. Idea it's really is.
• 2:27:52
  I even think about getting a tattoo with the whole red string
• 2:27:54
  going on. Oh.
• 2:27:57
  Nice. I love it.
• 2:27:58
  It's yeah, it's a really romantic concept, but it just
• 2:28:03
  works for me. Almost not every time.
• 2:28:08
  I think that's. Pretty much the end of my notes.
• 2:28:10
  I mean, there's other things like that.
• 2:28:12
  Obviously the first story was a school bully.
• 2:28:15
  Yeah. A story.
• 2:28:21
  It's each story is successively worse so.
• 2:28:26
  I mean I. Don't know it.
• 2:28:28
  It was just getting. If there's.
• 2:28:31
  Anything remotely triggering to you, it's probably an entire
• 2:28:35
  episode of Tomorrow. I mean this drama, it's good and
• 2:28:41
  will leave you traumatized. Like you will need therapy after
• 2:28:44
  that. Yeah, you definitely would need.
• 2:28:47
  That I was. My eyes were swollen the whole
• 2:28:49
  day because I was crying. But also this drama reminded
• 2:28:52
  reminded me a lot, at least a little bit of Hotel de Luna.
• 2:28:55
  I don't know if you watched that, but I watched it.
• 2:28:58
  Yeah, so I dropped Hotel de Luna.
• 2:29:00
  Yeah, I. Watched it because I think I was
• 2:29:03
  in Hong Kong and they had it like on the board thing.
• 2:29:07
  I'm like, you know what? I want to watch this.
• 2:29:10
  I mean, they also did have my theorists, but I did not want to
• 2:29:12
  watch it on a plane. I want to watch it at home.
• 2:29:15
  If I have to cry, I want to be able to cry.
• 2:29:17
  I. Wanted to cry in the privacy of
• 2:29:21
  my. Own yeah, you know, I don't want
• 2:29:22
  people to see me crying. That's embarrassing.
• 2:29:24
  We don't do that. So but I did see a little bit of
• 2:29:28
  like, you know, resemblance, like the main character having
• 2:29:31
  to find that one person she has to save the whole.
• 2:29:34
  Each episode had someone with a story.
• 2:29:37
  I mean, of course, Hotel de Luna, sorry if there's a spoiler
• 2:29:40
  for you, but everybody's dead. That will tell their story.
• 2:29:44
  Yeah. And here we are trying to save
• 2:29:46
  the people, right? It's a hotel for ghosts, Yeah, I
• 2:29:49
  mean. And I mean, it was enjoyable.
• 2:29:51
  I mean, but I was also in Hong Kong watching at it at some
• 2:29:54
  point. I was more tired than anything
• 2:29:56
  after walking around and watching it.
• 2:29:58
  I did finish it though, I just didn't see the chemistry
• 2:30:03
  whatsoever. I don't know what people are
• 2:30:04
  talking about, but it's not. Big.
• 2:30:05
  Oh, OK, OK. So we got more chemistry here.
• 2:30:10
  And yeah, but I did see like, you know, each episode having
• 2:30:14
  the story talking about people dying or dead or whatever, just
• 2:30:18
  helping you get through loss of or losing someone, trying to get
• 2:30:23
  through life, kind of. I did get like a similar vibe
• 2:30:26
  but that's about it. I really like tomorrow and I
• 2:30:32
  hope that some of these things will that we talked about shed
• 2:30:35
  light on some of the storylines and the back stories and some of
• 2:30:41
  the cultural elements that are in the show that maybe flew over
• 2:30:45
  your head, because I think it's important like this is very for
• 2:30:51
  new K drama fans especially, and you're watching because you're a
• 2:30:54
  fan of row wound. That's fine, I'm sure Rowan
• 2:30:59
  would love for you to understand fully the context of the show as
• 2:31:02
  well. So pretty sure pretty sure I can
• 2:31:06
  speak on Rowan on that thing. So I.
• 2:31:10
  Think we can speak? To the end of my notes in Korea.
• 2:31:13
  No, Yeah, yeah, I quite, I don't want to say I enjoyed the show,
• 2:31:18
  but I really enjoyed the show. Yeah, if that makes any sense.
• 2:31:21
  Like it was good. I mean, I'm someone who usually
• 2:31:24
  doesn't watch things with a sad ending.
• 2:31:26
  I try to avoid that and well. It wasn't a sad ending usually.
• 2:31:32
  How did you feel about that? Like?
• 2:31:33
  No I I love the ending to be honest.
• 2:31:36
  I it would have been weird if they forced them to be together
• 2:31:38
  right? It does.
• 2:31:39
  It would. I would have dropped it then.
• 2:31:42
  You're talking about Big Red and yeah.
• 2:31:44
  Like if there was too much romance going on, this would be
• 2:31:47
  just wrong. It wouldn't have worked.
• 2:31:49
  But usually I try to avoid things that are depressing and
• 2:31:52
  sad and don't make me, you know, I did laugh, but I also had a
• 2:31:56
  lot of tears in my eyes while laughing.
• 2:31:57
  So usually I try to avoid that. But this drama, I was like, you
• 2:32:01
  know what? I'm so happy and glad that I
• 2:32:04
  watched it. I learned a lot as well, and
• 2:32:07
  it's amazing to get like this kind of insight sometimes in a
• 2:32:10
  culture that I'm not part of. And I think that even for
• 2:32:15
  Koreans, especially, talking about certain topics like the
• 2:32:17
  comfort room and women and just general the treatment of women
• 2:32:21
  in society was super important. Especially right now.
• 2:32:24
  We all know that Korea is struggling a lot with that.
• 2:32:28
  So I love that. Entertaining is the wrong word.
• 2:32:33
  You're right, but also the right, wrong and right.
• 2:32:37
  It's not black and white, but I love that.
• 2:32:41
  Mm hmm. I think the show's remarkable
• 2:32:44
  and it definitely defied expectations because I don't
• 2:32:48
  expect such a deep show with a lot of pathos from an idol.
• 2:32:57
  Yeah. Like an idol star in it, even
• 2:33:01
  though it's an ensemble cast. And I hope that more people
• 2:33:06
  watch. It.
• 2:33:09
  But not necessarily like dwell in the negative parts of it, if
• 2:33:15
  that makes any sense. Yeah, I get it.
• 2:33:17
  I think we should all focus on how the people move forward
• 2:33:20
  like. Like yeah, the thesis.
• 2:33:22
  Of the show, you know, we can all do that.
• 2:33:25
  And sometimes a little bit listening to other people, it
• 2:33:27
  goes a long way. Yes.
• 2:33:30
  And I that was something about the show that I thought was good
• 2:33:34
  was that it's not it's not that they are, there's a quote in
• 2:33:43
  here about it, but like the director was like, it's not that
• 2:33:47
  they are talking to these people and what they were going through
• 2:33:51
  was so insignificant and they're trying to kill themselves over
• 2:33:55
  something small. It's that no one's talked to
• 2:33:58
  them about their struggles, and it's the weight of their words,
• 2:34:06
  of the risk management team's words, that is inspiring them to
• 2:34:13
  live. I mean, we never, we just learn
• 2:34:17
  that they stop thinking about suicide and everything else is
• 2:34:20
  to them. It's not there.
• 2:34:22
  I'm telling them stop by, stop. It's just, hey, I listen to your
• 2:34:25
  story. Your emotions are valid.
• 2:34:28
  Everything that you're going through is about it, feel it,
• 2:34:32
  and then we're going to work on it and you can do it.
• 2:34:36
  Yeah, Oh, I have the quote. So it's episodes 4 through 5
• 2:34:41
  around there. The The Voice despises people
• 2:34:45
  who commit suicide, as he says. I can't understand why they
• 2:34:47
  choose death so easily when it takes only a few words to give
• 2:34:51
  them the will to live again. And the director says think of
• 2:34:55
  how they must be feeling to choose death because no one ever
• 2:34:58
  said those few words to them. I can guarantee you that there
• 2:35:01
  isn't anyone anywhere who chooses death easily.
• 2:35:04
  Yeah, and if you think about how many people commit suicide in
• 2:35:10
  Korea, it's a lot. Oh yeah.
• 2:35:13
  I think the show was super important for them, for
• 2:35:16
  everyone. Whoever had that thought or is
• 2:35:19
  struggling, I think this is exactly it.
• 2:35:24
  So, yeah, and they say that in like episode one, I think the
• 2:35:28
  director has like a meeting with all of the heads of the
• 2:35:31
  departments and Chuwathong, and she's like, we have the highest
• 2:35:35
  death suicide rate and the lowest birth weight.
• 2:35:39
  It's embarrassing. Like she said, something to that
• 2:35:41
  effect. Like get your shit.
• 2:35:42
  Together, we have to do something.
• 2:35:43
  And also hell is full. We cannot be sending everybody
• 2:35:46
  kills. Themselves to hell like.
• 2:35:49
  Said hell is like overflowing. Yeah, so I it's true.
• 2:35:55
  Like this message is for the Koreans.
• 2:35:58
  I, I feel like we need sometimes do not forget that Korean dramas
• 2:36:02
  are made for Koreans. So to always look also like, of
• 2:36:06
  course, it's similar to our story maybe, or what we knowing
• 2:36:11
  or grew up knowing, just it can also apply to us, right?
• 2:36:15
  But mainly a lot of those things are specific to Korea and we can
• 2:36:20
  never forget that, that sometimes some things will be
• 2:36:23
  for Koreans. Yes I agree, so thank you so
• 2:36:28
  much Pam for going on this really hard journey with me and
• 2:36:32
  talking about really difficult topics and re watching a show
• 2:36:37
  and you're not a re watching type of person.
• 2:36:40
  I really so appreciate it so much.
• 2:36:42
  This was a wonderful conversation.
• 2:36:45
  Pam, where can people find you online?
• 2:36:47
  So first of all, thank you so much for having me.
• 2:36:49
  It was so fun in a way, entertaining, lovely, sad,
• 2:36:54
  everything all at once like tomorrow.
• 2:36:57
  And I'm pretty much on every social media platform that you
• 2:37:01
  can find. But I would say that I'm most
• 2:37:04
  active on Instagram and Tiktok if talking about all kinds of
• 2:37:08
  Asian dramas. And if you like BLS more like
• 2:37:11
  Thai BLS, Japanese BLS, I'm on Twitter very active talking on
• 2:37:14
  that. Awesome.
• 2:37:17
  So we'll link everything in the show notes for you guys.
• 2:37:20
  And that's it, we'll be back next time.
• 2:37:23
  That's our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 2:37:26
  the Tebakia Rambles. Podcast.
• 2:37:57
  The.