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The Kenny Report | 12 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: It's finally on the Liberal leadership set for a Friday
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Speaker 2: the thirteenth showdown at nine in the morning in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor to take on Susan Lee unless she steps aside.
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Speaker 2: In the meantime, all this while, it's revealed federal government
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Speaker 2: debt will top a trillion dollars for the first time
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Speaker 2: ever in just a matter of weeks.
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Speaker 1: But labor is smug.
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Speaker 2: I'll expose the anti Israel lies from Grace Tame, other
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Speaker 2: activists and media. Much of it stems from the United Nations,
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Speaker 2: and you won't believe the latest from the UN. Pauline Hansen,
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Speaker 2: just sit a Naber, jimper Prize, Tony Passon, Alexander Downer,
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Speaker 2: James Bolt, and Tim Blair.
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Speaker 1: Too much is never enough. Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: Finally, soon after we got our fair last night, Us
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Speaker 2: Taylor signaled his intentions. Someone has to rescue the sinking
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Speaker 2: ship of the Liberals and the Coalition, But not even
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Speaker 2: Taylor's strongest backers would portray his initial outing as compelling.
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Speaker 3: The situation right now is devastating for Australians and for
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Speaker 3: that reason we need to urgently restore confidence.
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Speaker 1: In the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: That means we need strong leadership.
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Speaker 2: As expected, Taylor's resignation triggered a series of others from
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Speaker 2: his supporters today in the all too common orchestrations of
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Speaker 2: these affairs.
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Speaker 3: I've tendered my resignation as a member of the Shadow Cabinet.
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Speaker 4: I had to resign my position on the Shadow Ministry.
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Speaker 2: I've just come from tendering my resignation. I handed my
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Speaker 2: resignation and there's been plenty more today. This all played
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Speaker 2: out theatrically to put pressure on Susan Lee, but the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader fought back, not on the airwaves but online
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Speaker 2: series of insta posts showing her smiling face with various
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Speaker 2: words that really highlight what most of us want but
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Speaker 2: haven't been getting soon enough. Taylor backed up his resignation
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Speaker 2: by declaring his bid for the leadership and for a
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Speaker 2: party that needs votes in the city. It had a
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Speaker 2: pretty agrarian feel.
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Speaker 3: Our country is in trouble, the Labor government has failed
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Speaker 3: and the Liberal Party has lost its way. I'm running
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Speaker 3: to be the leader of the Liberal Party because I
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Speaker 3: believe that Australia is worth fighting for. I believe we
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Speaker 3: need strong and decisive leadership that gives Australians clarity, courage
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Speaker 3: and confidence in providing a vision for the future.
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Speaker 2: The three c's a bit of alliteration never goes astray,
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Speaker 2: but that was a better pitch to the public, although
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Speaker 2: light on for specifics. What matters most at the moment, though,
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Speaker 2: is Taylor's pitch to his colleagues. Will meet in Canberra
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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning to decide the leadership based on their assest
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Speaker 2: of the current crisis.
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Speaker 3: The Liberal Party is at the worst position it has
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Speaker 3: been since nineteen forty four when the party was formed.
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Speaker 4: This cannot go on. If it goes on, there'll be
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Speaker 4: nothing left of the Liberal Party via the next selection.
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Speaker 2: It has been a turmoil, it has been disastrous.
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Speaker 5: Is that we have been in a death spiral and
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Speaker 5: we need to get out of it.
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Speaker 6: We do not make this change, we will be wiped out.
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Speaker 6: I've been contacted every day by Tasmanians, by Australians who
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Speaker 6: feel that the Liberal Party has let them down.
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Speaker 2: There are many factors at play here, ideological and policy differences,
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Speaker 2: factional and personal rivalries and ambitions, but primarily it always
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Speaker 2: comes down to cold hard mathematics in politics, and one
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Speaker 2: of Taylor's key backers explained that in telling terms.
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Speaker 4: Almost five million Australians voted for us. They put their
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Speaker 4: trust in us. Over the last nine months. According to
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Speaker 4: the most recent opinion polls, two point one million of
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Speaker 4: those people have since deserted the coalition. That's more than
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Speaker 4: two hundred thousand votes a month. It's more than fifty
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Speaker 4: thousand votes a week. It's more than seven thousand votes
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Speaker 4: a day. This cannot go on. If it goes on,
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Speaker 4: there'll be nothing left of the Liberal Party ya the
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Speaker 4: next selection.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's other maths in play now too, with
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Speaker 2: revelations the government's debt will soon top eight trillion dollars
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Speaker 2: one thousand billion dollars of debt owed by the federal
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Speaker 2: government thought all of us to pay with taxes now
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Speaker 2: and into the future. But even with its deeply worrying
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Speaker 2: economic management, the Albeneazi Labor government is getting away scott
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Speaker 2: free in Parliament because of the shambles on the opposition benches.
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Speaker 7: The idea that we would take lectures on debt from
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Speaker 7: those opposite is preposterous after the mess that they've left
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Speaker 7: us and the efforts that we have put in to
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Speaker 7: cleaning up that mess. Mister Speaker, the Member for Fairfax,
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Speaker 7: is the only person considered incapable of retaining his spot
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Speaker 7: as the deputy leader of the Liberal Party Christer Speaker,
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Speaker 7: But he should take some comfort from the fact he
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Speaker 7: should take some comfort from the fact that the last
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Speaker 7: guy who failed as Shadow treasurer now considers himself entitled
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Speaker 7: to a promotion.
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Speaker 2: Yes, smug arrogant, full of hubris, not being held to account.
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Speaker 1: That's labor right now.
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Speaker 2: The Liberals need to take the next step to turning
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Speaker 2: that around tomorrow. Economics is Taylor's strong suit. Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: hasn't had much of a go, but she hasn't had
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Speaker 2: much of an impact. She's been almost invisible. I mean,
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Speaker 2: as we revealed last night, she hasn't even put out
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Speaker 2: an immigration policy. Immigration is too high and we've got
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Speaker 2: three thousand people who are coming in from Gaza are
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Speaker 2: under some sort of secrecy.
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Speaker 1: Did I hear you right? Did you just say.
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Speaker 2: You're on the cusp of releasing an immigration policy.
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Speaker 8: I said we were on the cusp of releasing that
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Speaker 8: policy before the Bondai terrorist attack. Before that massacre. So
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Speaker 8: we've done a lot of work on the policy, obviously
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Speaker 8: given what happened at Bondai.
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Speaker 1: So when will you release the policy?
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Speaker 2: Your party, your coalition parties are bleeding on this issue.
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Speaker 2: It's a front of mind concerned for so many Australians.
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Speaker 2: They're flocking to one nation because one nation are clear
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Speaker 2: on immigration and here you are still sitting on an
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Speaker 2: immigration policy.
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Speaker 8: Well, you know what happened at Bondai. The immediate reaction
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Speaker 8: to Bondai from the Coalition was to focus on what
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Speaker 8: needed to be done following that terrorist event. And there's
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Speaker 8: obviously been a number of things that have occurred the
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Speaker 8: front end of this year which have a diverted attention
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Speaker 8: from the release the finalization of the policy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the government is vulnerable on immigration and on the economy,
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Speaker 2: but it's not even having to duck any attacks. No wonder,
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Speaker 2: some key MPs are shifting to Taylor and that's all
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Speaker 2: he needs, just a few, don't forget, He'll bring heavy hitters.
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Speaker 2: Just sent it nawb, jimper Price and Andrew Hasty back
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Speaker 2: into the fray presumably and assemble a stronger front bench team.
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Speaker 1: To make this as painless as possible.
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Speaker 2: Lee really ought to resign with dignity, demand a decent
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Speaker 2: front bench spot if she wants, but make it all
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Speaker 2: quick and clean and help the party move on. Let
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Speaker 2: me expose yet again the lies, bile and hate directed
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Speaker 2: at Israel, the way media, politicians and activists dishonestly demonize
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Speaker 2: Israel and its supporters, creating the climate of hate that
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Speaker 2: we've seen descend into violent protests, threats, anti Semitic attacks,
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Speaker 2: and even terrorism. Let's start with this disgusting call to
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Speaker 2: arms on Monday night.
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Speaker 9: From Gadigal to Gaza Globalize.
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Speaker 6: The InChI fighter won my time from Gadigol.
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Speaker 9: To Gaza Globalize.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that was former Australian of the Year Grace Tame
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Speaker 2: calling for an armed uprising against Israel and Jews in Australia,
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Speaker 2: around the world, and in Israel. Tame has now tried
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Speaker 2: to defend herself.
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Speaker 10: Disingenuously distorting definitions has been a cornerstone of Israel's propaganda
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Speaker 10: strategy for decades. Choosing to put a negative spin on
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Speaker 10: the word into farda, which literally means shaking off, is
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Speaker 10: just another example of that.
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Speaker 2: Really, this is either extremely ignorant or blatantly deceptive or both.
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Speaker 2: The first and second into fardas in Israel in the
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Speaker 2: nineteen nineties and two thousands, cost more than a thousand lives,
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Speaker 2: with cafes, pizza bars, buses and nightclubs attacked by suicide bombers.
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Speaker 2: The October the seventh atrocities in twenty twenty three were
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Speaker 2: another form of into fada, and even the Bondai massacre
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Speaker 2: can be seen as part of that evil movement. So
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Speaker 2: it is just a fact that calls for inter fada
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Speaker 2: are about as hateful and threatening as any retoric can get.
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Speaker 2: As we heard from Israel last night.
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Speaker 9: Words have meaning, true meanings. Words call for actions, and
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Speaker 9: if you can stand in support of what had happened
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Speaker 9: on the seventh of October and to call for that
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Speaker 9: to come to Sydney. The sexual violence that was used
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Speaker 9: as a tool of war, you know, the mutilation, the
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Speaker 9: rape of little girls, torture and the sexual abuse of
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Speaker 9: hostages that were in captivity, it is absolutely outrageous.
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Speaker 2: Apart from pretending intofada doesn't mean what it clearly does,
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Speaker 2: Thames Defense contained more outrageous claims.
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Speaker 10: We learned that nearly three thousand Palestinians have been evaporated
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Speaker 10: by Israel using illegal US weapons.
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Speaker 2: This presumably was parroting an unverified report carried by Al Jazeera,
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Speaker 2: the Qatari based and owned media outfit or propaganda operation.
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Speaker 2: There have been countless wild and damaging claims like this
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Speaker 2: made over the past two years, then disproven, but the
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Speaker 2: debunking never gets the same attention as the allegations. The
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Speaker 2: source for this story, by the way, is quoted as
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Speaker 2: Gaza's Civil Defense. In other words, hummus they are quoting
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Speaker 2: and Tame is repeating anti Israel and anti US propaganda
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Speaker 2: directly from one of the world's most grotesque Islamist terrorist outfits.
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Speaker 1: But there's more.
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Speaker 10: But instead of focusing on that, our political and media
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Speaker 10: classes are trying to distract the masses by focusing on
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Speaker 10: words that I said at a peaceful protest on Monday night.
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Speaker 2: Well, whatever else you say about that protest, it sure
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Speaker 2: wasn't peaceful. At least nine people have been charged with offenses,
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Speaker 2: including assaulting police. Yeah, if that was a peaceful protest,
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Speaker 2: I'd hate to see a violent one. Tame referred to
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Speaker 2: unprovoked police brutality and she tad Israel with claims of
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Speaker 2: genocide apart and the slaughter of civilians, all the usual
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Speaker 2: blood libels, all wrong, all repeated often.
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Speaker 10: On Monday night, tens of thousands of peaceful protesters gathered
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Speaker 10: to decry the arrival of Israel's President Isaac Hertzog, who
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Speaker 10: himself stands credibly accused of war crimes, including inciting genocide
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Speaker 10: and advocating collective punishment.
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Speaker 2: This lie about genocide and collective punishment bears some scrutiny.
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Speaker 2: We hear it all the time as a slur against
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Speaker 2: President Herzog. The ABC loves it. It comes via the
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Speaker 2: UN and has become accepted wisdom across much of the media.
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Speaker 11: UN Commission of Inquiry named you as having incited genocide.
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Speaker 11: That was in October twenty twenty three, where you said
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Speaker 11: all Palestinians were responsible for October seven. I know you
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Speaker 11: have walked back that statement. Let's talk about October seven.
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Speaker 2: No one decided I.
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Speaker 12: Walked back that statement on the moment of the interview
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Speaker 12: of course and Palestinis. It was a total lie of
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Speaker 12: that Inquiry committee, which is totally totally politicized like many
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Speaker 12: other international organizations.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yes, yeah, Herzog says he was misquoted and misrepresented
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Speaker 2: by the UN Commission, and that's been used against him.
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Speaker 2: What if he's right, what does that say about the UN,
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Speaker 2: the media, and the activists. Well, we have quite a
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Speaker 2: bit of that press conference from October twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: just days after the horrible attack on Israel from Gaza,
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Speaker 2: when Humas terrorists and importantly Gazan civilians flooded into Israel
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Speaker 2: to rape, slaughter, kidnap and loot. Here's what the president
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Speaker 2: actually said. And you'll hear that phrase about an entire
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Speaker 2: nation being responsible in the middle of it.
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Speaker 13: We are working, operating militarily according to rules of the
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Speaker 13: international law, period unequivocally, it's an entire nation out there
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Speaker 13: that is responsible. It's not true this rectoric about civilians
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Speaker 13: not we're not aware.
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Speaker 1: Not involved.
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Speaker 13: It's absolutely not true. They could have risen up, they
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Speaker 13: could have fought against that evil regime which took over
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Speaker 13: Gaza in Acudetta.
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Speaker 1: But we're at war.
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Speaker 13: We are at war. We're at war at our we
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Speaker 13: are defending our homes, We're protecting our homes.
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Speaker 9: That's the truth.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he'd been talking about Ghazans who had joined the attack,
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Speaker 2: who celebrated the attack, and who installed Hamas as a
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Speaker 2: government and did not try to overthrow them. In another section,
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Speaker 2: he also specifically made clear that he did not believe
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Speaker 2: civilians were legitimate targets.
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Speaker 13: I agree, there are many many innocent Palestinians.
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Speaker 1: Who don't agree to this.
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Speaker 13: But if you have a missile in your goddamn kitchen
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Speaker 13: and you want to shoot it at me, am, I
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Speaker 13: allowed to defend myself. We have to defend ourselves. We
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Speaker 13: have to pull right to do so.
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Speaker 1: All right?
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Speaker 2: You say, how did these strong but reasonable comments lead
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Speaker 2: to Herzog being found to have incited genocide? Well, firstly,
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Speaker 2: the claims of genocide are absurd because the Palestinian population
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Speaker 2: has grown more strongly than the Israeli population for many years,
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Speaker 2: and because in two years of urban warfare in a
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Speaker 2: highly concentrated population of two million people, the latest figures
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Speaker 2: show the death toll could be about seventy thousand, with
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand or more of them being hummus operatives, although
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Speaker 2: no one can verify these numbers accurately, of course at
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Speaker 2: this stage. But how and why would the UN Commission
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Speaker 2: of Inquiry make this finding against Herzog? Well, it's just
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Speaker 2: typical United Nations anti Israel politics, simple as that the
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Speaker 2: Commission was tasked with this investigation by the UN Human
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Speaker 2: Rights Council, which at the time was chaired by Morocco,
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Speaker 2: and while democratic countries like the US, Germany and Argentina
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Speaker 2: voted against it, other strong democracies like France, Japan and
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Speaker 2: India abstained, while the resolution was supported by a couple
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Speaker 2: of dozen countries that were mainly non aligned Islamic or
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Speaker 2: communist China, Cuba, Somalia and Sedan were among them.
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Speaker 1: So that's it, that's the United Nations for you.
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Speaker 2: They then appointed commissioners from India, Zambia, and an anti
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Speaker 2: Israel Australian human rights activist, Chris Sidoti.
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Speaker 1: That's the mob.
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Speaker 2: Who took those words from Israel's President Isaac Hertzog, stripped
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Speaker 2: away the context, twisted the facts and accused him of
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Speaker 2: inciting a genocide that has never happened. But hateful politicians
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Speaker 2: and activists, along with foolish activists and politicians and media,
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Speaker 2: of course, they repeat it all incessantly and unquestioningly, demonizing
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Speaker 2: Israel and turning people against Israel and its supporters. It's
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Speaker 2: a tragic and malevolent example of misinformation.
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Speaker 1: Now I can't do much to stop.
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Speaker 2: This, but I can strip away ignorance as their excuse
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Speaker 2: and as if to prove the point about just how
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Speaker 2: absurd and obscene the United Nations is. Let's turn to Iran.
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Speaker 2: Iran is not a democracy. It's an Islamic theocracy that,
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Speaker 2: as you know, subjugates its people, terrorizes its women, funds
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Speaker 2: and operates terrorism around the world at tax Israel, and
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Speaker 2: is committed to the destruction of Israel. Over the past
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Speaker 2: several weeks, with the downtrodden Iranians trying to stand up
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Speaker 2: for their rights, their rights to dance, for women, to
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Speaker 2: loosen their veils, to live normal and free lives, while
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Speaker 2: they've instead been mowned down by their own government, executed
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Speaker 2: in public squares, killed in prisons, and slaughtered on the streets.
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Speaker 2: Some estimates suggest the death toll at the hands of
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Speaker 2: the regime and its deadly Islamic Revolutionary Guard core could
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Speaker 2: be thirty thousand or more, while the United States is
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Speaker 2: moving military assets into the region, raising the possibility of
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Speaker 2: more military action to kill off the country's nuclear and
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Speaker 2: missile's programs or even maybe triggered regime change. What do
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Speaker 2: you think the United Nations has done? You won't believe
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Speaker 2: this The Secretary General of the United Nations, Antonio Guteris,
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Speaker 2: wrote to the President of Iran this week, congratulating him
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Speaker 2: and the people of Iran on the national holiday of
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Speaker 2: the Islamic Republic of Iran. This holiday commemorates the victory
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Speaker 2: of the Islamic Revolution that took away democracy and freedom
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Speaker 2: from Iranians forty seven years ago this week. Now, while
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Speaker 2: this has triggered some criticism around the world, most people,
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Speaker 2: of course won't hear about it, and the UN says
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Speaker 2: it's just a matter of protocol. Yeah, that's the UN
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Speaker 2: for your protocol over morality, process, over freedom. And just
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Speaker 2: to cap it off, what happened yesterday, the United Nations
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Speaker 2: Commission for Social Development, Yes, Social Development, announced a couple
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Speaker 2: of new vice chairs.
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Speaker 1: Who do you think got this gig?
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Speaker 14: May I take it that the Commission wishes to elect
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Speaker 14: by acclamation mister Abbas Tajik of the Islamic Republic of
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Speaker 14: Iran and mister Shahriar Rajev of Azerbaijan as Vice Chairs
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Speaker 14: of the sixty fifth Session of the Commission for Social.
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Speaker 2: Development, Azerbaijan and Iran Social Development in safe hands United
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Speaker 2: Nations style. This is precisely why anything you hear that
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Speaker 2: is sourced from the UN must be taken with a
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Speaker 2: grain of salt, if not outright defiance. Now, Israeli President
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Speaker 2: Isaac Herzog has been in Melbourne today and that has
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Speaker 2: triggered yet another anti Israel protest in the Melbourne CBD.
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Speaker 2: That's bring in our reporter on the scene, Jack Naihoff. Jack,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us there outside Flinders Street station.
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Speaker 1: Tell us what's unfolding.
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Speaker 15: We were expecting around five thousand people to gather today.
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Speaker 15: We're not quite at those numbers. It's difficult to estimate,
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Speaker 15: but I expect around two thousand to three thousand people
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Speaker 15: here at the moment. They're currently speaking to the crowd.
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Speaker 15: Among the chances we've heard is from the river to
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Speaker 15: the sea, free Palestine, Palestine will be free, and also
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Speaker 15: death to the IDF that language aside, the protesters here
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Speaker 15: have been largely peaceful. There is also a large police
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Speaker 15: presence as well. Police aren't taking any chances. They've been
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Speaker 15: given special powers to search, identify and move on people.
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Speaker 15: It doesn't seem like they've had to use them just yet.
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Speaker 15: Earlier we saw a small number of demonstrators outside the
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Speaker 15: blockade around a community event where the Israeli President Isaac
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Speaker 15: Khurtzog was speaking to members of the Jewish community. There
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Speaker 15: was a large roadblock of several city roads shut off
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Speaker 15: there and then before that, earlier this morning, the President
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Speaker 15: attended a Governor House meeting with the Governor as well
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Speaker 15: as the Premier Center Alan As I say, the protests
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Speaker 15: at this stage have been largely peaceful with those chants,
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Speaker 15: but it will continue for over the next hour and
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Speaker 15: we'll stay across whatever happens here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good on you, Jack, take care there.
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Speaker 2: Started off pretty peacefully in Sydney too, and that then
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Speaker 2: got very ugly. So let's hope that Melbourne stays call
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Speaker 2: and stays relaxed and doesn't see any violence. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining us, Jack Naihoff, their Skyey's reporter on the scene
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne. Of course, we'll cross back there if there.
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Speaker 1: Are any developments.
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Speaker 2: Let's get back to Canberra now and the leadership challenge
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Speaker 2: against Susan Lee that will be contested tomorrow at nine o'clock.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by just sent to Namba chimper Price, liberal
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Speaker 2: senator from the Northern Territory. Good to talk to you again,
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Speaker 2: just Cinta. You've made it very clear that you want
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Speaker 2: to change. Last time Mangus Taylor went for the leadership,
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Speaker 2: you were his running mate for the deputy's position. Will
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Speaker 2: the deputy's position be up for grabs this time and
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Speaker 2: will you put your hand up?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 6: Look, I think there are a few that have indicated
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Speaker 6: that they will be putting their hand up for the
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Speaker 6: deputy position, and no, I won't be one of those
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Speaker 6: people this time around.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's no being no formal announcement, but it
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Speaker 2: seems like there will be a new deputy that Ted
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Speaker 2: O'Brien will be challenged.
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Speaker 1: The other name that.
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Speaker 2: I floated earlier in the week, and I've heard a
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Speaker 2: bit of talk about is your senate colleague Jane Hume
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Speaker 2: from Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that that would be a.
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Speaker 2: Good combination Angus Taylor from the Conservatives in New South
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Speaker 2: Wales and Jane Hume, ostensibly a moderate from Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:41
Speaker 6: Look, I mean Jane's definitely one of those individuals that
23:45
Speaker 6: has put her name up for consideration, and there are
23:48
Speaker 6: a number of others obviously, and just hearing from some
23:53
Speaker 6: of them about you know, why they want to run
23:56
Speaker 6: for deputy obviously, And so I suppose that's going to
24:00
Speaker 6: be the difficult decision to make tomorrow as to who
24:03
Speaker 6: we decide to put forward, you know, who we choose
24:06
Speaker 6: as a deputy. I'm just, I suppose, really pleased that
24:10
Speaker 6: we're having the opportunity now to get behind Angus for
24:14
Speaker 6: the leadership.
24:15
Speaker 1: Looks like he's got the numbers.
24:16
Speaker 6: Does don't we establish that it looks like he's got
24:19
Speaker 6: the numbers, doesn't I don't think.
24:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:22
Speaker 6: Look, I don't think he would have gone out to
24:23
Speaker 6: do this without without feeling confident that he had that
24:26
Speaker 6: he has the numbers.
24:28
Speaker 10: Now.
24:28
Speaker 2: One of the points I was just discussing with a
24:30
Speaker 2: mate of mine, Well, he's actually a mutual.
24:32
Speaker 1: Friend, Paul Murray. I was just having a chat off
24:34
Speaker 1: here with him.
24:36
Speaker 16: That the deal here presumably is not just that the
24:40
Speaker 16: party gets a new leader in Angus Taylor, as significant
24:44
Speaker 16: as that is, but I'm presuming he brings with him
24:47
Speaker 16: to the front bench both yourself and Andrew Hasty and
24:51
Speaker 16: someone like James Patterson gets a more prominent role.
24:55
Speaker 1: I think if this plays out correctly in the next week,
24:58
Speaker 1: you would have a new leader but also a much
25:01
Speaker 1: stronger from bench. Do you expect to be part of that.
25:07
Speaker 2: Oh, look, I.
25:08
Speaker 6: Guess we will wait and see after the leadership spill itself.
25:13
Speaker 6: I know that people like Andrew Hasty, certainly Sarah Henderson
25:18
Speaker 6: and myself have been jumpered at the bit to get
25:20
Speaker 6: out there and be in a stronger position to be
25:23
Speaker 6: able to serve in opposition for the betterment of this country.
25:28
Speaker 6: And you know, what we've seen so far in the
25:31
Speaker 6: last few months is that we haven't we haven't been
25:34
Speaker 6: able to share any sort of policy positions with the
25:36
Speaker 6: Australian people and really, you know, shove our flag in
25:41
Speaker 6: the ground and say this is what we stand for
25:43
Speaker 6: and this is how we are going to fight to
25:46
Speaker 6: improve this country and hold this government to account. Look,
25:51
Speaker 6: I would be truly honored and very privileged to be
25:54
Speaker 6: able to be in such a position like that again
25:57
Speaker 6: if that were to eventuate. But new leadership is what
26:03
Speaker 6: is needed. You know, we need to rally the troops.
26:06
Speaker 6: We need to have a sense of, you know, feeling
26:09
Speaker 6: like we've got some to get out there and fight
26:16
Speaker 6: once more. And there are many of us who are
26:19
Speaker 6: just waiting to get out there and to be able
26:22
Speaker 6: to do that and execute that argument and do what
26:24
Speaker 6: we know how to do. Best, which is to hold
26:27
Speaker 6: this government to account.
26:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too many of you who been either on
26:31
Speaker 1: the bench or in the bees.
26:32
Speaker 2: You make a good point. Sarah Henderson's another good one.
26:34
Speaker 2: Be good to have her in education or communications. Let
26:38
Speaker 2: me just put you what one of your colleagues who's
26:40
Speaker 2: standing by Susan Lee has had to say. I think
26:44
Speaker 2: that we need to give Susan Lee time.
26:47
Speaker 4: I think unfortunately people have been trying to undermine Susan
26:53
Speaker 4: from day one.
26:55
Speaker 1: You know, we need to get back to work. Is
26:58
Speaker 1: Andrew well, I was right? Any of that descendive?
27:03
Speaker 6: No, I think you know, Susan as a leader, while
27:06
Speaker 6: she's in a very difficult position, has, as I believe been,
27:11
Speaker 6: had ample opportunity to be able to address some of
27:14
Speaker 6: the issues that we've been confronted with, including you know,
27:18
Speaker 6: we really had to push for our position on net zero.
27:22
Speaker 6: I think it could have been done sooner than when
27:24
Speaker 6: we reached it eventually. And like I said, we have
27:27
Speaker 6: no other policy positions. And look this argument about you know,
27:32
Speaker 6: gender and gender quotas. I will add that some of
27:36
Speaker 6: my colleagues, I suppose should remember that they didn't have
27:41
Speaker 6: any qualms in throwing under the bus, their first Indigenous
27:46
Speaker 6: female shadow defense personnel and defense industry representative. So I
27:53
Speaker 6: think that is a moot point and it's all about competency.
27:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed they weren't shedding tears over the demise that
28:02
Speaker 2: came your way.
28:03
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
28:04
Speaker 2: Just into good luck tomorrow, just into Namba jimper Price.
28:07
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the big change here. Don't forget this,
28:10
Speaker 2: don't think about this is just Susan Lee out Angus
28:13
Speaker 2: Taylor in as significant as that is. But you're talking
28:17
Speaker 2: about probably Andrew Hasty into defense or somewhere on the
28:20
Speaker 2: front bench. You're talking about just simp a Namba jimper Price.
28:22
Speaker 2: I know who you love and that's why getting her
28:25
Speaker 2: back into a front bench position, Sarah Henderson.
28:27
Speaker 1: People like James Patterson.
28:29
Speaker 2: Being used in more prominent roles. I think he really
28:31
Speaker 2: could enlive in the place.
28:33
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens.
28:34
Speaker 2: Here is Tony Passon, who's a Liberal backbench if in
28:37
Speaker 2: South Australia joins me from Canberra.
28:39
Speaker 1: Tony, thanks for joining us. You're backing Angus Taylor.
28:43
Speaker 2: Obviously there are reasons you support Angus Taylor over Susan Lee,
28:47
Speaker 2: but are you excited about how he could make a
28:51
Speaker 2: stronger front bench out of his team.
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Speaker 17: Absolutely, Chris, Your viewers heard earlier from Senda Patterson that
29:00
Speaker 17: the Liberal Party has led two point one million primary
29:03
Speaker 17: votes in eleven months. That's the principal reason why I'm
29:07
Speaker 17: backing change, because it is a change or die moment
29:11
Speaker 17: for the Liberal Party and that change is not just
29:14
Speaker 17: a change of leader, it's a change of personnel and policies.
29:18
Speaker 17: And Gcinta was incredibly modest. Just then the reality is
29:22
Speaker 17: Jacinta and Andrew must.
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Speaker 1: I'll repeat it.
29:26
Speaker 17: I probably shouldn't give advice to Angus via national television,
29:29
Speaker 17: but Jacinta and Andrew must be part of his front
29:33
Speaker 17: bench team if we're going to be a credible alternative government,
29:38
Speaker 17: and we must have strong policies speak to the needs
29:42
Speaker 17: of Australians and what they're looking for, and they want
29:45
Speaker 17: to see us being economically liberal and they want us
29:48
Speaker 17: to lean in on the cultural issues that one nation
29:52
Speaker 17: is running away with.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
29:54
Speaker 2: Another resignation has come in from the shadow cabinet as
29:57
Speaker 2: we speak, Dan Tian, who's been the shadow for Immigration
30:00
Speaker 2: the Victorian MP and renowned as a conservative. Not a
30:04
Speaker 2: surprise there, but another one hits the dust. Look, when
30:08
Speaker 2: we talk about this revised front bench, you don't want
30:11
Speaker 2: a wall where you sort of get rid of all
30:12
Speaker 2: the moderates. There are strong moderates and who will be
30:16
Speaker 2: loyal to Susan Lee, but should stay there maybe get
30:19
Speaker 2: greater roles. I'm thinking of someone like Dave Sharma, Tim
30:22
Speaker 2: Wilson and Rustin. But it's a matter of making a
30:25
Speaker 2: greater use of some of those Conservatives who have been
30:27
Speaker 2: shoved to the sidelines.
30:29
Speaker 1: In the interim.
30:29
Speaker 2: Let me show you a little bit of what Andrew
30:33
Speaker 2: Bragg has said has said he's a new South Wales
30:35
Speaker 2: Moderate senator.
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Speaker 18: As I've said before, I think it's a reasonable time
30:41
Speaker 18: period of about twelve months that someone would be able
30:44
Speaker 18: to show they can do a job and do it well.
30:48
Speaker 18: Susan hasn't given a budget reply yet, and I think
30:52
Speaker 18: over the last twelve months, well last eight months, I
30:54
Speaker 18: should say, it's been a pretty rocky road. There's been
30:57
Speaker 18: a couple of bus ups with the Nats. There was
30:59
Speaker 18: a cut cliss make election defeat under Peter Dutton. So
31:03
Speaker 18: I think leadership debates and are like premature. But I mean,
31:08
Speaker 18: if all you do is talk about yourselves, then I
31:10
Speaker 18: think you'll find yourself in a pretty bad position.
31:14
Speaker 1: Andrew Bragg.
31:15
Speaker 2: They're being loyal to Susan Lee is saying that she
31:17
Speaker 2: hasn't been given enough time pleading for her.
31:20
Speaker 1: The States or the budget reply.
31:22
Speaker 2: The time for that sort of plea is over is
31:23
Speaker 2: and it looks like the numbers are there for Angus Taylor.
31:26
Speaker 2: Should Susan Lee resign with dignity to help the party
31:31
Speaker 2: move on and.
31:33
Speaker 1: Seek a front bench position if that's what she wants.
31:37
Speaker 17: In truth, Chris, I'm of the view that Angus has
31:41
Speaker 17: had these numbers for a long while, and the reality
31:44
Speaker 17: is there now just effectively revealing themselves to the broader
31:50
Speaker 17: community via the resignations and other things. It would certainly
31:54
Speaker 17: be very tidy if the course you suggest is adopted
31:57
Speaker 17: by Susan tomorrow.
31:58
Speaker 1: But that's a choice she needs to make. She's always
32:03
Speaker 1: got a piece.
32:03
Speaker 2: Of history, right, She's the first female leader. She's taken
32:06
Speaker 2: the leadership in very difficult times.
32:11
Speaker 1: But her duty should be to try and make this
32:13
Speaker 1: as painless as possible.
32:16
Speaker 17: I think people are always remembered more in the way
32:20
Speaker 17: they leave roles than the way they come to them.
32:23
Speaker 17: Chris so I expect Susan's probably reflecting on that this
32:27
Speaker 17: evening and let's hope it's let's hope it's tidy tomorrow.
32:32
Speaker 17: It's unfortunately necessary given that we've got a primary vote
32:36
Speaker 17: that's in the teens.
32:37
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tony, I appreciate it. So we'll
32:39
Speaker 2: see what unfolds in the morning time. It hasten there
32:42
Speaker 2: member for Barker in New South Wales. We're going to
32:44
Speaker 2: go to a break on the other side, Pauline Hanson
32:46
Speaker 2: on this crucial immigration debate. Now, when I introduced Tony
32:55
Speaker 2: pass and I told you he was a South Australian
32:57
Speaker 2: back bench but when I said goodbye, I said he
32:59
Speaker 2: was from in New South Wales. Sorry, sorry about that, Barker.
33:03
Speaker 2: That's my country. My parents are in Barker, lovely part
33:06
Speaker 2: of the whole East and southeast of South Australia. So
33:09
Speaker 2: that's where Tony Passon is from. It's the trouble when
33:11
Speaker 2: you got your head in two states at once. Now,
33:14
Speaker 2: as I mentioned earlier, a recent Sky News Polse poll
33:17
Speaker 2: found sixty four percent of Australian it's nearly two thirds
33:20
Speaker 2: of us think immigration is too high and needs to
33:23
Speaker 2: be cut. This is such an important issue driving votes
33:27
Speaker 2: to One Nation.
33:28
Speaker 1: So when Shadow of Immigration.
33:29
Speaker 2: Minister Paul scar told me last night that the Coalition
33:32
Speaker 2: has been sitting on their immigration.
33:34
Speaker 1: Policy, I couldn't believe it.
33:37
Speaker 2: Your coalition parties are bleeding on this issue. It's a
33:41
Speaker 2: front of mine concerned for so many Australians.
33:44
Speaker 1: They're flocking to One Nation because One Nation.
33:46
Speaker 2: Are clear on immigration and here you are still sitting
33:51
Speaker 2: on an immigration policy. Yeah, and your story's answer, Well,
33:55
Speaker 2: I put to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson earlier that
33:58
Speaker 2: this example shows why Susan Lee's leadership is in trouble.
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Speaker 19: Trying to agree with you, Chris Vehicleuse. I have been
34:06
Speaker 19: very consistent over my thirty years in this career of
34:10
Speaker 19: tackling immigration, and especially the last few years under the
34:13
Speaker 19: Labor government, mass migrations comeing into the country. It's not
34:17
Speaker 19: only about the numbers coming in the country, Chris, It's
34:19
Speaker 19: also about the quality and caliber of the people that
34:22
Speaker 19: we're bringing in. Are they compatible with our culture and
34:25
Speaker 19: way of life? Let me just put it to also
34:28
Speaker 19: the numbers that we bring in, we're supposed to have
34:30
Speaker 19: twenty six point four million people by twenty fifty we've
34:34
Speaker 19: reached twenty eight million. Now that's why we can't keep
34:38
Speaker 19: up with the housing, infrastructure, water, nursing homes, hospitals, everything
34:42
Speaker 19: is failing and this is why people have had a
34:45
Speaker 19: gutful of it. They've had enough, and that's why they're
34:48
Speaker 19: turning to one nation because we have the answers and
34:52
Speaker 19: we've been consistent with it. We keep with you know,
34:55
Speaker 19: I have got strong policies to deal with this.
34:58
Speaker 2: Well, that's good for you, and now I agree with you.
35:01
Speaker 2: Obviously Australians are concerned about this. It plays into the
35:04
Speaker 2: housing crisis, it plays into the cost of living crisis,
35:07
Speaker 2: the pressure on our hospitals and schools. And yet the
35:11
Speaker 2: Coalition are flim flamming around this that they have a policy,
35:15
Speaker 2: they haven't even released it. I mean, it just shows
35:17
Speaker 2: that Susan Lee has been a the barble.
35:21
Speaker 19: Because the Coalition are full of the moderates and they
35:26
Speaker 19: are so aligned with Labor Party policy. Remember, high immigration
35:30
Speaker 19: also does cover up the problem that we have with
35:35
Speaker 19: our DDP and the productivity in the nation, So neither
35:39
Speaker 19: one of the answers. How are they going to deal
35:41
Speaker 19: with that as well? You can't keep bringing more and
35:44
Speaker 19: more people in the country saying that we need them
35:47
Speaker 19: to pay the taxes to look after the baby movements
35:50
Speaker 19: and everyone else is that it's now retiring. That's a
35:52
Speaker 19: stupid way of looking at it, and it's not going
35:55
Speaker 19: to improve the quality of life for many Australians out
35:58
Speaker 19: there now. I speak to people constantly all the time.
36:03
Speaker 19: That's the biggest issue, not only now because of Bondo massacre.
36:07
Speaker 19: The biggest issue again on top of this, is about security.
36:11
Speaker 19: People don't feel safe anymore in the country. And what
36:15
Speaker 19: I've just learned myself is that we've got eighteen thousand
36:19
Speaker 19: people in this country on ASIA watch list. That concerns
36:25
Speaker 19: me greatly. What are they doing about that?
36:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ASIO watch list and we'll leive it to
36:31
Speaker 2: the courts, but we know that ASIO was certainly aware
36:34
Speaker 2: of the two alleged terrorists at Bondai, So it is
36:37
Speaker 2: deeply worrying. I want to get to one nation's first
36:41
Speaker 2: electoral test that's only about six weeks away. In the
36:44
Speaker 2: South Australian election. You said you were going to put
36:46
Speaker 2: candidates in every seat. There are forty seven lower House seats.
36:49
Speaker 2: I just want to ask how you're going with that,
36:52
Speaker 2: because I see The latest polling from South Australia shows
36:55
Speaker 2: that you've already pulled ahead of the Liberal Party, the
36:59
Speaker 2: official coalition there. You are polling twenty percent at one
37:03
Speaker 2: nation already compared to the Liberals nineteen percent. How many
37:08
Speaker 2: politicians do you expect to get into the Upper and
37:11
Speaker 2: Lower Houses in South Australia.
37:15
Speaker 19: No idea, Chris, because you know it comes down with
37:17
Speaker 19: the preferences as well. And we are standing candidates in
37:19
Speaker 19: the forty seven seats in the low House seats plus
37:21
Speaker 19: the upper House, and it's a litmus test, it really is.
37:26
Speaker 19: You know, I haven't got a crystal ball, and I
37:28
Speaker 19: don't know. I know there's a lot of disgruntled people
37:32
Speaker 19: that it's happening more than rural and regional areas. We
37:34
Speaker 19: might have chances of picking up seats, but I just
37:37
Speaker 19: spoke to Corey a little bit earlier and he's visiting
37:41
Speaker 19: rural and regional areas and you know, look, Chris, we're
37:45
Speaker 19: not counting number of seats. Okay, The real day tests
37:48
Speaker 19: will come on election day if people want to give
37:51
Speaker 19: us a go to represent them, and I think it's
37:54
Speaker 19: important that we do because the coalition down there, or
37:57
Speaker 19: I should say the Liberal Party, there is no coalition
38:00
Speaker 19: Liberal Party. You know, what they're saying is they possibly
38:03
Speaker 19: won't win any seats. Well, last I heard was three
38:05
Speaker 19: seats they could win, but I don't know now if
38:08
Speaker 19: they're going to win any seats. So it's going to
38:10
Speaker 19: be quite an interesting election.
38:12
Speaker 1: Well, they are in all sorts of strife.
38:14
Speaker 2: They mirror the federal coalition's problems, but with added problems
38:18
Speaker 2: of some of their MPs xmps facing criminal charges and
38:22
Speaker 2: the rest of it. The Upper House in South Australia
38:25
Speaker 2: is small, only twenty two.
38:27
Speaker 1: So eleven seats up for grabs.
38:28
Speaker 2: With Corey Bernardi in there though and pulling at least
38:32
Speaker 2: twenty percent at the moment.
38:33
Speaker 1: You'd expect to get at least two.
38:35
Speaker 2: Members into the Upper House and therefore have a bit
38:38
Speaker 2: of sway straight away.
38:41
Speaker 19: It looks that way that possibly can and if we
38:44
Speaker 19: can end up at the balance power, we're going to
38:46
Speaker 19: have a big say in South Australia especially, you know,
38:49
Speaker 19: support good legislation and be that opposition that the Liberals
38:54
Speaker 19: are failing to do in states and federally at Chris
38:57
Speaker 19: and that's what we need to actually do. Prooved people
39:00
Speaker 19: that when they're calling for accountability and questioning what's going on,
39:04
Speaker 19: and I think that's very important. You know, you still
39:06
Speaker 19: have the same old issues across every state. It's about
39:09
Speaker 19: the hospitals, it's about the ramping like of beds, lack
39:13
Speaker 19: of care, the infrastructure. All these are very important to
39:15
Speaker 19: South Australia.
39:17
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Pauline. Look forward to catching
39:20
Speaker 2: up with you again next week.
39:23
Speaker 19: Thanks Chriz.
39:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pauline Hanson, I happy days for her. Now after
39:27
Speaker 2: the break, I'm going to give you a bit of
39:29
Speaker 2: an update on what's happening.
39:30
Speaker 1: With the Liberals deputy leadership.
39:31
Speaker 2: I'll be catching up also with Australia's longest serving foreign minister,
39:35
Speaker 2: also one time coalition opposition leader Alexander Downer.
39:39
Speaker 1: Don't go away.
39:44
Speaker 2: I just want to get back to the Liberal leadership
39:46
Speaker 2: tussle tomorrow morning. And forgive me if you've heard this
39:48
Speaker 2: before in other news, but I've just had confirmation yes,
39:51
Speaker 2: the deputy's position will be spilled as well, so Ted
39:54
Speaker 2: O'Brien is expected to run for that and try and
39:57
Speaker 2: hold it. Running against him, we're expecting to see Hume,
40:00
Speaker 2: Dan Tian, Tim Wilson maybe and Zoey.
40:04
Speaker 1: Mackenzie, all of them from Victoria.
40:07
Speaker 2: Zoe McKenzie well known to us, as well as a
40:09
Speaker 2: relatively new MP. So there are four options there from Victoria,
40:13
Speaker 2: two of them women, and there's Ted O'Brien's trying to
40:16
Speaker 2: hang on to the hang on to the job.
40:19
Speaker 1: The mail is.
40:19
Speaker 2: That Angus Taylor is not choosing the deputy, not running
40:22
Speaker 2: a ticket.
40:23
Speaker 1: He's going for the leadership. Looks like he has it and.
40:26
Speaker 2: It'll be a contest between those to get the deputy's job.
40:30
Speaker 2: I'd be typically to be someone from Victoria. Let's go
40:33
Speaker 2: to Germany now to catch up with Alexander Downer. Alexander,
40:36
Speaker 2: we normally talk to you about foreign affairs, but I've
40:39
Speaker 2: just got to get your thoughts on the Liberal leadership
40:41
Speaker 2: here because at a function in Sydney last week.
40:44
Speaker 1: That I went to, you were brutally honest with the audience.
40:48
Speaker 1: You said you hated the job. Every minute you added
40:50
Speaker 1: you were horrible at it. You couldn't wait to hand
40:53
Speaker 1: it over to John Howard. Is that what Susan Lee
40:55
Speaker 1: should do? Now?
40:58
Speaker 9: Well?
40:59
Speaker 20: Far be it for me to give Susan Lee, or
41:01
Speaker 20: for that matter, Angus Taylor, any advice. I wouldn't do that.
41:05
Speaker 20: I keep my thoughts to myself. But whatever they do
41:10
Speaker 20: with the leadership, and it does look as though it's
41:13
Speaker 20: about to change. The challenge for the Liberal Party is
41:17
Speaker 20: to get back into explaining what it's about. It's not
41:22
Speaker 20: just having clear policies on issues that you've been talking
41:26
Speaker 20: about on this program, like immigration, energy prices and so on.
41:31
Speaker 20: It's also having a philosophical framework. The Liberal Party should
41:36
Speaker 20: be the party that puts power into the hands of
41:39
Speaker 20: ordinary people, puts consumer interests first rather than producer interests first.
41:47
Speaker 20: A party that gives people a maximum freedom of choice
41:51
Speaker 20: and a minimum of regulation and instructions from central government.
41:58
Speaker 20: Labor is the party corporatism, a party where they believe,
42:04
Speaker 20: as politicians they know better than we all do about
42:08
Speaker 20: how we should live our lives. They need to be
42:11
Speaker 20: making a lot of points like that, and much better
42:15
Speaker 20: than might being able to do on this program. But
42:18
Speaker 20: they need to explain what their general sense of direction is,
42:23
Speaker 20: as well as having quite clear positions on issues that
42:27
Speaker 20: really matter to people like immigration and energy.
42:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, those core values of the Liberal Party, though haven't changed.
42:35
Speaker 2: You modernize the message and the new issues that they
42:39
Speaker 2: need to apply to but it's all there in the
42:41
Speaker 2: we believe statement. It's a party supposedly about personal responsibility
42:47
Speaker 2: aspiration small government.
42:49
Speaker 1: We don't hear enough of it. Is this one of
42:51
Speaker 1: the upsides we.
42:52
Speaker 2: Expect to hear as a result of a leadership change,
42:56
Speaker 2: that there might be a shake up in the front bench.
42:58
Speaker 2: We'd expect to see Andrew Hasty just inting it. Their
43:02
Speaker 2: perjimber Price, clear and strong communicator is probably someone like
43:05
Speaker 2: James Patterson having a more prominent role.
43:08
Speaker 1: And Angus Taylor.
43:09
Speaker 2: While people criticize his political cut through, he knows economics
43:13
Speaker 2: and and and those economic and cost of living issues
43:17
Speaker 2: better than just about anyone in the Parliament.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 20: Well, James Patterson is pretty much their strongest performer. He's
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Speaker 20: done an exceptionally good job over the last year or whatever.
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Speaker 20: It is a bit hungering, yeah, but and so you're
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Speaker 20: right he needs to have a prominent position, but he's
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Speaker 20: in the Senate. So yeah, they cannot afford to keep
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Speaker 20: their better performers on the back bench. No, part of
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Speaker 20: their problem. Part of their problem is that they're obsessed
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Speaker 20: with factionalism and Peter people are getting or losing positions
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Speaker 20: on the basis of their factional allegiance. They don't have
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Speaker 20: enough support in the country to have the luxury of
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Speaker 20: playing out factional games and squabbling with each other for positions.
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Speaker 20: Because they're moderate and they call moderates or conservatives, whatever
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Speaker 20: they call it they call themselves, they're actually each other's
44:16
Speaker 20: throats and the show will never survive if they keep
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Speaker 20: up that. I mean, it's one thing for people to
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Speaker 20: come together on specific issues, but it's another thing for
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Speaker 20: them to fall into sharp factions in the way they've done.
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Speaker 20: It's been a disaster for the Liberal Party and they've
44:35
Speaker 20: done that for quite some years now.
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Speaker 1: Spot On Alexander, great advice. That's all they need to
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Speaker 1: get to merit, get their best team on the field.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Got to get to a break on the other side,
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Speaker 2: James Bolden, Tim Blair will join me. Let's get into
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Speaker 2: the panel with Tim Blair joining us from Victoria. The
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair and on the desk with me
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Speaker 2: James bolt stepping in for Mark Nicholson, which is good
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Speaker 2: given one of the issues we're going to talk about
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But first up, Tim, give us your
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Speaker 2: thoughts on the leadership Staushop whether it fills you with
45:09
Speaker 2: any optimism about the coalition getting its act together.
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Speaker 21: A tenC toncy wincy bit of optimism, because you know,
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Speaker 21: as everyone is aware, the current situation isn't working. As
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Speaker 21: to whether it will work after the change, we don't know.
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Speaker 21: We're going to have to have the change to find out.
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Speaker 21: I would just hope that somewhere along the line, somewhere
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Speaker 21: within the next few weeks, we realize that authenticity and
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Speaker 21: being genuine is actually a key to political success and
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Speaker 21: we stop having liberal leaders who sound like politicians first
45:40
Speaker 21: at Australian Second.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, we don't want to workshop all the lines.
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Speaker 1: We wanted to speak from their heart and their values. James,
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Speaker 1: We're going to see a bit of that.
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Speaker 5: Do you think I think it's going to take a
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Speaker 5: generational change. I'm not sure the people that we've been
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Speaker 5: mentioning here have those characteristics that dem was talking about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, my optimism comes from a whole reform of the
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Speaker 2: front bench and some stronger performers.
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Speaker 1: And better portfolios.
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Speaker 2: I don't expect instant change, but I'm hoping for a
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Speaker 2: stronger performance because Tim, I think a lot of the
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Speaker 2: people who have drifted off in the polls to one nation.
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Speaker 2: Let's see what you know, election is a long way away,
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Speaker 2: but I think I think they've given up on the
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Speaker 2: Libs a bit.
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Speaker 1: They'll be hard to win their trust back.
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Speaker 21: Oh absolutely, and to a degree, to a large degree.
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Speaker 21: Why wouldn't you give up on a party that sold
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Speaker 21: you down the river on things like that zero? I mean,
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Speaker 21: that is that's that's selling your children and your grandchildren
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Speaker 21: down the river. That is that is a pretty huge
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Speaker 21: breach of trust. So winning that back, you know, I'm
46:35
Speaker 21: glad it's going to take a lot of effort because
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Speaker 21: they've brought it on themselves. Make them work for it,
46:39
Speaker 21: because we're going to be working like hell to bring
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Speaker 21: down the death that they've settlers with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, trillion dollars. Yeah, this is the point I wrote
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Speaker 2: the other the other week that I reckon that. Two
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Speaker 2: big moments in terms of the Coalition breaking faith with
46:51
Speaker 2: the public was Tony Abbott when he was knife by
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull.
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Speaker 1: That really screwed over Liberal voters.
46:57
Speaker 2: But also Scott Morrison just rolling over on net zero
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Speaker 2: didn't take it to an election.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly the Coalition supported net zero.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think COVID as well, I think it's just
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Speaker 5: we've had so many bad Liberal leaders and so many
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Speaker 5: liberal leaders that have failed to unite the party that
47:12
Speaker 5: I just think we need to go in a different direction.
47:14
Speaker 5: I've got an article coming out on sky news dot
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Speaker 5: com todat you tomorrow, what if we had no leader
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Speaker 5: for the Liberal Party. I mean, it's just season Lee's
47:22
Speaker 5: got ten percent, Angerstale's got eight percent, Andrew basically got
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Speaker 5: fifteen sixty percent of people don't know who they want
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Speaker 5: his leader.
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Speaker 1: I say we give it to them. No leader leader,
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Speaker 1: be like a Greens Yeah, feel like an ash Ram.
47:34
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Well, I'll tell you what. I'm
47:36
Speaker 1: going to finish the week with some light relief, of course.
47:39
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm glad Mark Nicholson's not here because
47:42
Speaker 2: we can we can talk about his success as a cartoonist.
47:45
Speaker 2: And I think Bob Catters has seen what's happened with
47:49
Speaker 2: the Please Explain cartoons and he's out there hunting for
47:53
Speaker 2: a cartoonist himself over a.
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Speaker 22: Look, we're looking for a cartoonist. You can draw on
47:58
Speaker 22: me like I am there something like that, please, And
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Speaker 22: I mean there's a few quit in this right, can't
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Speaker 22: turn us, bring us up, please contact us.
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Speaker 1: There is a quit in it? Do you reckon? He
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Speaker 1: should try and get Mark Nicholson? Could he work for
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Speaker 1: Kada and One Nation at the same time.
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Speaker 5: I just think, like there's a reason Trump's so bad
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Speaker 5: for comedy in that, Like he's already funny. So how
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Speaker 5: does any comedian make a Bob catter is funny? How
48:27
Speaker 5: would how would a cartoonist improve on what Bob Kada does?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's been done, Mark Nicholson has done. And he
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Speaker 2: doesn't just draw him, he imitates him as well.
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Speaker 1: Have a look here we go. Well, I'm Bob Ketter
48:45
Speaker 1: and I'm not like other politicians. Right, instead of kissing babies,
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Speaker 1: I'm arming him.
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Speaker 2: Mark is more like Bob Ketta than Bob is tim absolutely.
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Speaker 21: And James is right, given how close to a full on,
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Speaker 21: realistic three D cartoon Bob Cattter already is. This is
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Speaker 21: this is like, this is like Keith Richards saying, I reckon,
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Speaker 21: I might start a rock and roll band. I mean,
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Speaker 21: you're already their mate.
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Speaker 1: You're mate.
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Speaker 21: You don't need to take anything.
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Speaker 1: You don't need a cat to.
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Speaker 2: Mate your whole political life is an animated feature fantastic staff,
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Speaker 2: Tim Blair and James Bolt will catch her later. That's
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Speaker 2: all the time we got for you tonight. Don't forget
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Speaker 2: live coverage of all the events tomorrow and camera. Here's
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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin.