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Ep. 121 - Speedom of Freach: The Crutches of Addiction and Freedom from Bondage · Trudge Report

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SPEAKER_03: Ladies and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another episode of Trudge Report.
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SPEAKER_03: We are a recovery-based podcast.
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SPEAKER_03: My name is Sean, and I am your host, joined by my good friends and fellow Trudgers.
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SPEAKER_03: Smash it, Corey.
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SPEAKER_03: Hey boys, good evening.
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SPEAKER_03: Download this.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's start.
1:00
SPEAKER_03: We'll start with uh Danny P.
1:01
SPEAKER_03: What's going on, Danny P round the horn.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: All right, what's up, fellas?
1:04
SPEAKER_01: We've we've hit a stretch, man.
1:06
SPEAKER_01: We're about to rock 10 days about 80 degrees and sunny and finally finally seeing the other side of it because it was raining.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't know about you up there, Greg, but it was raining and cold and miserable for a long time.
1:17
SPEAKER_01: So it's uh I'm in good spirits, man.
1:20
SPEAKER_01: Um let's see.
1:21
SPEAKER_01: Everything's everything's good, man.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: About the same.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh softball.
1:25
SPEAKER_01: Alyssa's getting ready to start working, you know, the 15th.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty awesome.
1:29
SPEAKER_01: Where'd she get a job at?
1:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh OSU, man.
1:32
SPEAKER_01: OSU hospital.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh, awesome.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, phenomenal.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: Super phenomenal, man.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's good.
1:39
SPEAKER_01: And uh, she's actually she's helped me uh a couple days working, so that was uh that was pretty awesome.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: She's like, I now I remember why I quit and don't work with you.
1:49
SPEAKER_01: She said, This this is not fun anymore.
1:52
SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, yeah.
1:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I turned that I turned the big 4-2 on Friday.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: So that's that's right.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: Happy belated.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, thank you.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, nothing really special.
2:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: We had a night night alone without Maya and just really hung out and watched the movie, the new Jack Ryan.
2:07
SPEAKER_01: That was pretty uh pretty awesome.
2:08
SPEAKER_01: I watched it the other night.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love it.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: I I love it.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: It's I mean nothing's gonna equal what it was, man.
2:14
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
2:15
SPEAKER_01: That's the hardest part of it.
2:16
SPEAKER_00: I've been I haven't watched any of Krasinski as uh Jack Ryan.
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SPEAKER_00: He's very good.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: Okay, phenomenal.
2:21
SPEAKER_00: He's really, really good.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: Such a good actor, dude.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
2:24
SPEAKER_03: It's just like the I know the Harrison Ford, dude, is is there was wasn't it wasn't Chris Pine one of them too?
2:32
SPEAKER_03: There was a there they made a movie with Kevin Costner.
2:36
SPEAKER_03: There was a Kevin Costner Jack Ryan movie.
2:38
SPEAKER_03: I think it was Chris Pine or one of those one of those Chris Pine look-alikes.
2:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you're not you're not topping Harrison Ford and Patriot games, brother.
2:45
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
2:45
SPEAKER_03: You know what?
2:46
SPEAKER_03: Watch it.
2:47
SPEAKER_03: It's he's really good.
2:48
SPEAKER_01: You might you might it's consuming, bro.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: It's very consuming.
2:51
SPEAKER_01: I'll give it a shot.
2:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, James Greer, the the character who plays James Greer, is awesome.
2:55
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I love him.
2:56
SPEAKER_03: He's from The Wire, he's the black dude from The Wire, uh McNulty's partner.
3:00
SPEAKER_03: He's he's awesome in it too.
3:02
SPEAKER_03: And then Mike November is great.
3:03
SPEAKER_03: Um great, great show, great show.
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SPEAKER_03: I watched the movie the other night.
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SPEAKER_03: I thought it was pretty good.
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SPEAKER_03: I thought they left it wide open to make more.
3:10
SPEAKER_03: 100%.
3:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: But I love a good wire reference, man.
3:14
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great show.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, classic, dude.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: You ever watch the wire?
3:20
SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, a couple episodes.
3:23
SPEAKER_03: I feel like I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: Have you I feel like you would just get angry like at that show?
3:27
SPEAKER_03: Like, why are they what what what is he doing?
3:30
SPEAKER_03: What are they doing that for?
3:32
SPEAKER_00: You see all these shows now that like drag out six, seven, tens.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, you can't do it.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: And like the wire, it feels like we got shafted.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: Like we only have three.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, but they were peak, but like the we got shafted there, you know?
3:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, Avon Barksdale, let's go, baby.
3:48
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
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SPEAKER_01: Great job.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: Great job.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we're good, man.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: Everything's good.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: We we hit the we hit the corner, man.
3:56
SPEAKER_01: This is pretty cool as a parent, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Like Maya, we do softball all the time and stuff.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, in the winter we we cut it off.
4:02
SPEAKER_01: But uh, you know, I mean, every day, man, she's been asking me to practice.
4:05
SPEAKER_01: And when it switches from that, like you basically suggesting practice to her thing is like uh pretty freaking cool, man.
4:12
SPEAKER_01: Pretty cool parenting milestone of where she's like fully in love with it.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: And watching your kid, watching your kid love something is pretty awful.
4:19
SPEAKER_03: What's the record right now?
4:20
SPEAKER_03: What's the team record?
4:21
SPEAKER_03: Oh, we're awful.
4:21
SPEAKER_03: We're the youngest team in the division.
4:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
4:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:24
SPEAKER_01: That doesn't matter though.
4:25
SPEAKER_03: We're about we're about we're building.
4:27
SPEAKER_03: We're building.
4:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're one in five, but we're playing in 10U and we're all eight-year-olds.
4:31
SPEAKER_01: So you know, player development.
4:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, player development.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: Next year we'll kill it.
4:35
SPEAKER_01: But uh, yeah, no, win when it wins and losses was not in the uh in the cards this year.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: Mr.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: GA.
4:43
SPEAKER_00: Doing good, man.
4:45
SPEAKER_00: Doing good.
4:45
SPEAKER_00: Um how's the new gig?
4:48
SPEAKER_00: New gig is uh is great.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: I've been kind of bouncing all over at different stores all week, kind of training with different managers, seeing things from a fresh, fresh perspective.
4:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, so will you do me a favor?
4:59
SPEAKER_03: Will you explain to the listeners what you actually do for a living?
5:02
SPEAKER_03: I feel like nobody my people have asked me, and I like I'm like, I don't know, something in construction.
5:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm in I'm in uh waste management.
5:10
SPEAKER_00: That's a Sopranos reference, in case uh no, I'm in the mob.
5:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: I uh I'm I'm a location manager for a company that um they're uh the largest uh bobcat dealer and rental agency in um in Ohio.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: Right.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh we also have some stores down in Florida and Alabama as well that were uh more recent, but the company up here and its uh 12 locations up here has has been around for like 80 years.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, so primarily like the the biggest part of the business is is renting out construction equipment and and stuff like that.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: And then there's a sales uh parts and sales uh side to it, a service side to it, you know.
5:55
SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
5:56
SPEAKER_03: Corey, Corey, are you in the market to buy a bobcat track tractor?
5:59
SPEAKER_03: I uh some cool.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: I had a bobcat walking through my yard.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: I know the tractor, not the animal, Corey.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: We literally have a bobcat.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: No one named it banana.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: Banana the bobcat.
6:10
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: If I know anything about Noah, he tamed that bobcat.
6:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he would he would he's scrappy, dude.
6:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh um, but yeah, man.
6:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, we're work's been good.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, like Danny said, uh uh stretch of really nice weather out here, grilled three nights in a row.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: It was pretty epic.
6:31
SPEAKER_00: Um I am I'm not all staked out yet, um, contrary to popular belief.
6:37
SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, things are going good.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh our our our uh my stepson, our our boy Peyton got his uh his test results back from this testing all year, and and he's testing like above average and and a grade above where he's actually at, which is oh yeah, is awesome.
6:55
SPEAKER_00: It's good to see like that after school time and and and all that kind of stuff paid off.
6:59
SPEAKER_00: So very cool.
7:01
SPEAKER_03: There's nothing more satisfying as a parent.
7:04
SPEAKER_03: When your kid's really smart, that's fantastic, but just like, yes, we got we're a little we're average, we're a little bit above average, we're going to the next grade, no summer school.
7:14
SPEAKER_03: Yes, let's go.
7:15
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
7:15
SPEAKER_03: Grace actually surprised us this year.
7:17
SPEAKER_03: Sophia's always a little above average.
7:20
SPEAKER_03: Um in the test part of it, she's really smart.
7:23
SPEAKER_03: And she's I don't, you know, the testing, you know how it is, the standardized testing and all that.
7:28
SPEAKER_03: But when you get those results back, and you're like, yes, I'm going to the next grade.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: Very satisfying as a parent.
7:35
SPEAKER_03: Corey, my man, my brother.
7:40
SPEAKER_03: Thanks for picking me up last night, dude.
7:42
SPEAKER_03: Hey, tell the listeners what we saw, what you saw on the side of the road that you didn't even know existed.
7:47
SPEAKER_03: Oh, dude, uh, well, I never saw one.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: I knew they existed.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: I there was a wild hog just running all down to 95.
7:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, big old wild hog.
7:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:58
SPEAKER_00: That was kind of wild.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you don't you don't you gotta usually go a little further inland to see them bad boys?
8:04
SPEAKER_03: Something.
8:05
SPEAKER_03: I just weird.
8:06
SPEAKER_03: I used to have the the story goes that used to run rampant on these parts of Martin County years and years and years ago, but Oh Florida, Florida always be Floridan.
8:17
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
8:18
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, they'll come at you too.
8:20
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, you gotta be careful and things.
8:23
SPEAKER_03: Corey, you're not fast enough, brother.
8:24
SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
8:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you can't bat it away with your hands.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: No, but I'd I'll I'll enjoy myself a pig roast, that's for sure.
8:32
SPEAKER_03: So that's fine.
8:34
SPEAKER_03: They might enjoy a human roast.
8:36
SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
8:36
SPEAKER_03: What do you want to talk about, Corey?
8:38
SPEAKER_03: You want to go, do you want to tell us how you've been or you just want to go right into the to the concert last night?
8:43
SPEAKER_03: I legitimately want to hear your I want to hear your real thoughts on it.
8:46
SPEAKER_02: We went to a concert last night?
8:48
SPEAKER_02: We did.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
8:50
SPEAKER_02: I thought I I thought I went to the fucking DNC.
8:56
SPEAKER_03: Let me you want me to set the stage real quick, or you just want to go right.
8:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go ahead.
9:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, go ahead.
9:00
SPEAKER_03: Set the stage.
9:01
SPEAKER_03: We went we went to our annual Dave Matthews concert.
9:03
SPEAKER_03: He came to the I think Amphitheater.
9:05
SPEAKER_03: Corey went Friday and Saturday.
9:07
SPEAKER_03: I just went Saturday with them.
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SPEAKER_03: His lovely wife and him picked me up, which I'm very grateful for.
9:11
SPEAKER_03: I had a very nice time with them.
9:14
SPEAKER_03: Um and um the backstory is Corey was really upset from a a show this past Tuesday that he decided not to go to with our friend Kyle over in Tampa, and they played his favorite song or a song that he's been wanting to hear for like 10 years apparently at a concert.
9:34
SPEAKER_03: No?
9:35
SPEAKER_03: Seven at best.
9:36
SPEAKER_03: Seven at best.
9:37
SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's still pretty fucking good, but are still pretty long.
9:40
SPEAKER_03: But um they played it at that show, so he was really upset.
9:45
SPEAKER_03: Fast forward the tape.
9:47
SPEAKER_03: Friday was a pretty sleepy show from what he said.
9:50
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god and now we get now we get to Saturday, and uh you take the mic, Corey.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: I just want to say here's the thing.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: So he plays the song Halloween once or twice a year at this point.
10:01
SPEAKER_02: And I looked at history, by the way.
10:03
SPEAKER_02: It was only in like the mid-90s, I guess, when probably Greg, correct me if I'm wrong, when the song came out that he even played it often.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: But since then he hasn't.
10:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, often was I mean, yes, but like there there wasn't the catalog that there is now.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: Not even close.
10:22
SPEAKER_03: Yes, so exactly true.
10:23
SPEAKER_03: He had less to choose from, essentially, back then.
10:26
SPEAKER_00: I've seen 77 Dave shows, and I've only gotten it like three times three or four times ever.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: Right.
10:32
SPEAKER_02: So and then in recent years, he only plays it once or twice a year, and it's just hit or miss, man.
10:39
SPEAKER_02: And he plays it in a different city, it seems, every every every year or whatever.
10:44
SPEAKER_02: But um, so yeah, he I fucking dude.
10:47
SPEAKER_02: I Kyle's going to the show on Tuesday, and I was planning on going, and then kinda didn't.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: And I had a work meeting, and I was just like, ah fuck.
10:56
SPEAKER_02: Like, I could just drive myself, and then I'm like, I don't feel like driving myself.
10:59
SPEAKER_02: Like, what's the odds that he's gonna give Tampa Florida Halloween?
11:03
SPEAKER_02: What's the odds?
11:05
SPEAKER_02: And I did this shit in 2024 where I didn't go to a show and he played it then.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: And so sure enough he played it.
11:12
SPEAKER_02: And I will say, I gotta give Kyle his credit, he's been pretty nice about it.
11:15
SPEAKER_02: I've been a dick to him about it too.
11:18
SPEAKER_02: But Kyle's been handling it pretty well.
11:20
SPEAKER_03: So he had so much control over it.
11:24
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
11:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
11:26
SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna you're not gonna have a good time.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: At my expense.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: So whatever.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: But and I Greg, I was telling Sean this in the car last night.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: And we can talk about the shows briefly too, but like as a whole, it was a hard weekend.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: I this sounds very dramatic, guys, and I get it.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: I don't whatever.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: It was a hard week.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: It was a hard weekend though when you already know that you're not gonna get that song.
11:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, your chances went from 1% to 0.1%.
12:00
SPEAKER_02: Like, you're not gonna get your song.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: So you can go and have a good time, hope that he kind of makes up for it, but like you're probably gonna hear a lot of stuff.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: But I did I did hear a lot of first time at America Baby last night.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well that and that like I saw that I saw that pop up on the streaming.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you got you got some goodies.
12:18
SPEAKER_03: It was there was some good stuff, though there was some really good stuff, yeah.
12:21
SPEAKER_00: And just even the night before, yeah, it was a sleepy show.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, trust me, you don't go to as many shows that I've gone to and not get a few a few sleepy ones, a few duds, you know.
12:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they're in there.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: Um and one thing I will say is you know, like for a lot of bands out there, the set is the set for the entire tour, you're getting the same set with minimal variation.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: Um Dave Matthews band, and and there's there's a few others that spring to mind, but m it it they are the exception to the rule where you're you you have no idea what kind of thing.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: But that's and that's part of the fun.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: From night to night, right?
12:58
SPEAKER_00: So that is kind of the fun.
12:59
SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of why like you know, it it does suck though, because you know you're not getting it.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: Um that one, but I just try to go into each show with like a okay, let's just let's just see how this bad works.
13:11
SPEAKER_03: Forget the fact that you're with your friends, Corey, and we were having a lot of people.
13:14
SPEAKER_03: I don't care about that.
13:15
SPEAKER_03: I don't care about that at all.
13:17
SPEAKER_02: But but you know what I mean though, Greg?
13:19
SPEAKER_02: It's like yeah, you can I can always hope that maybe this will be the time, but because he did it Tuesday, I was like, there it's not happening.
13:27
SPEAKER_02: It's just not but I will say we got a phenomenal last ride.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: That was sick, yeah, sick with the violin.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: Jake Simpson.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was last stop, you mean?
13:37
SPEAKER_02: What did I say?
13:38
SPEAKER_02: Last ride.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm thinking wrestling.
13:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, last stop, thank you.
13:42
SPEAKER_02: Um I mean we uh Dream Girl, fucking Kit Kat Jam.
13:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a little 27 in there.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that was night one, wasn't it?
13:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that one before.
13:52
SPEAKER_02: But I completed an album with uh Kit Kat Jam.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: So that was cool.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: There you go.
13:58
SPEAKER_02: There you go.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: And then it would have been And then it all went downhill.
14:02
SPEAKER_02: Here's the so here's the thing.
14:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tread carefully on this, and uh and I want this to be a little discussion between us real quick.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: Because I have a question for you guys.
14:12
SPEAKER_02: We we know that Dave leans a certain way politically, all great.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: And um in many ways, when he usually gives like a short little short little speech before he plays like his solo acoustic song that'll do for the night.
14:28
SPEAKER_02: And you know, it obviously leans one way on the political spectrum, and but it's it's well rounded enough normally that you can almost even if you don't agree with the politics, you can almost agree with what he's getting at.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Maybe we have different ways of getting there.
14:45
SPEAKER_03: Maybe we don't agree on exactly what's going on.
14:47
SPEAKER_03: But let me let me pause you for a second.
14:49
SPEAKER_03: You're right because I've heard him before at shows, and it's very much in the vein of like, hey, we just need to come together as well.
14:58
SPEAKER_03: Let's stop the hate and the violence and let's love one another.
15:00
SPEAKER_03: It's it's in that.
15:01
SPEAKER_03: Which is a great message.
15:03
SPEAKER_03: That's a great message.
15:04
SPEAKER_03: We can all dig that.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: Sean, I do have some inside information that you don't have pertaining to what went on last night.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: Because Dave got a little fired up, more so than usual, and went on a little bit longer of what I would call a tirade.
15:18
SPEAKER_02: And then he apologized.
15:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, he's not sorry.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: But and the reason was is somebody called something out from the crowd and I heard the video later, and he actually it makes total sense.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: He actually responded right to the person.
15:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
15:33
SPEAKER_02: Which we didn't know because we were on the lawn.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: Um so that's interesting.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, all that aside, kinda.
15:40
SPEAKER_02: Do you know what they yelled?
15:42
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I do.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: But that would be in very specific conversation that I'll tell you afterwards, but um there's no reason to bring it up on the pod because it's a very specific political disagreement.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: Got it.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: Um anyway, my my question is this.
16:00
SPEAKER_02: This is where I get conflicted about things because what's the great thing about America is that we can always we have speed of reach.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: Freedom of speech.
16:11
SPEAKER_02: We have fucking strokes on the podcast.
16:14
SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be the name of this week's episode, speed of freedom.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: Um so we have freedom of speech, and so do musicians, and many choose to use their platform to exercise that right and talk about what they believe in and all that junk.
16:35
SPEAKER_02: Um, but you have a lot of people that argue it and go, just stick to music, motherfucker.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know what I mean?
16:43
SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you know?
16:44
SPEAKER_02: You don't live in our world.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: And I I kind of agree with that to a large degree.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Um stuff like that.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, like, what do you do you guys have any opinions on on that?
16:54
SPEAKER_02: Like are are you are you more of the No, I and I'm saying like whether you agree with the musician musician or not, like take Dave Matthews out of the equation.
17:03
SPEAKER_02: Whether you agree with the musician's stance or not, are you do you like hearing it if you agree with them?
17:09
SPEAKER_02: Do you want your your favorite musician to speak out about things that you also believe in?
17:14
SPEAKER_02: Or are you about like, I just want to fucking listen to music because all this does is cause problems on Facebook?
17:20
SPEAKER_03: I I do I do think, real quick, and I I want to kick it to the guys, I want to finish up that thought too, Corey.
17:26
SPEAKER_03: I do think that when it comes to live concerts, I don't really want to hear uh anything.
17:35
SPEAKER_03: I just I just want to be entrenched in the music.
17:38
SPEAKER_03: Would I probably feel slightly differently if he said some stuff that I completely agreed with and was on my side of the s the aisle?
17:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I probably would, but like sitting here right now and even like I just want to hear music.
17:52
SPEAKER_03: Like I just want to, I was so anxious for him just to get to the next song, hoping it was Gray Street.
17:58
SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
17:59
SPEAKER_03: Like, I just want to hear the music.
18:00
SPEAKER_03: I don't really care about that at a live show.
18:03
SPEAKER_03: Now, if you're on like a your own, if you got a podcast or you're on an interview or whatever, something like that, that's a little different.
18:11
SPEAKER_03: What got me about last night, it wasn't so much because he went on a little mini one.
18:16
SPEAKER_03: He said a couple quick words earlier in the show, and then he had that one, and it was it he basically here's what here's where I he was calling this country crap.
18:27
SPEAKER_03: He was shitting all over the United States of America, he's not even from here.
18:34
SPEAKER_03: And then no, he's not technically he's not.
18:38
SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying he's not a citizen, because I know I'm sure he is, but he's technically not from here.
18:43
SPEAKER_03: That's really neither neither here nor there.
18:45
SPEAKER_03: Well, I think I I don't I I disagree with that, but the what really got me was then he switched to stuff in the Middle East that like it didn't the two things didn't jive to me.
19:01
SPEAKER_03: They didn't go together.
19:03
SPEAKER_03: And that was where it got me.
19:06
SPEAKER_03: I can Well Like it was like in the same breath.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: So point of order though.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: So just so you guys know, he didn't straight off say the United States is crap.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: He was saying he he pretty much did.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: No, he did not use those words.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: He said I didn't say he used those words, but he pretty much what I'm saying.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: He said a great country would do this or a great country.
19:32
SPEAKER_03: No, no, he says a great country wouldn't do these things, and he named three or four things that the current administration has allegedly done.
19:39
SPEAKER_03: He shit all over the country.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't see it that way.
19:43
SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
19:44
SPEAKER_03: You don't have to.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
19:46
SPEAKER_02: Um again, like I don't I don't necessarily agree with everything he said.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: In fact, most of it I don't really agree with.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: Um I also don't fucking love the people he hates either.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: So like I I get I get that's to your point, Sean, that's like the one place where I don't want to hear about this shit.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear about this shit.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: It's not about him leaning left or right or anything.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: I don't want fucking kid rock.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: If I'm well, I would never be at a kid rock show.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: But I I don't want to hear about shit there either.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear any I I don't want to hear shit I agree with.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: I want to hear fucking music.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying it's not his right because it is.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: That's what he wants to do.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: He wants to take usually it's like 30 seconds, not three minutes.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: Um so if he wants to do that, fine.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna stop me from like going to see him.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: I would agree.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: Um but you know I have some fucking serious grievances with this country too.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: And some of them are directly against how or against people that I voted for.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: They piss me the fuck off, honestly.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: There's not a political candidate out there that I like at this point.
21:03
SPEAKER_02: It's it's disheartening, but that's besides the point.
21:07
SPEAKER_02: I just um it's a it's a little much.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: It's a little alienating.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes, yeah.
21:14
SPEAKER_02: I just give me ants, motherfucker.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: Just play ants marching and let's go.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: We know you're gonna do it, and he did.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: What do you guys think?
21:22
SPEAKER_01: I know you weren't there, so it's probably hard, and Dan's probably like, I don't give a shit, but I give a shit just on a a large scale, since we're not gonna uh say what he said, so I have no idea.
21:33
SPEAKER_03: I guess the question there I throw to you, if you guys were at your favorite con like, do you guys want to hear that stuff at concerts?
21:40
SPEAKER_03: You could go hard, correct?
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm gonna say this.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, a lot of um a lot of we're you know, if if we if we look at the the roots of music and certainly of rock and roll, uh and and where all that came from, it it it all came from kind of like anti-establishment roots, whether you go back to the blues or it that was like you know uh the like the people of color just wanted to exist in the same world that that we were existing in and everything like that and and I think so all good music comes from that that like little fire in our heart you know and that and that you know the soul that's behind it so I don't I don't take issue necessarily I mean let's face it one of the biggest and most famous music festivals ever Woodstock was all to um you know protest you know peacefully but protest the Vietnam War you know that that was what that was organized for.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: Now I'm not saying that that is what music is today but I think that music is a creative outlet for that and if I think back even to um you know stuff in the 90s that I fell in love with as a teenager it was like that that angsty anti-establishment kind of stuff like your rage against the machine and your nirvana and all and Pearl Jam and all that was it was a you know I wouldn't say anti-American by any means but it was just like hey no it was anti-establishment you're right it was anti-establishment and it was we want our voice to be heard you know and I and I and I think that I I respect that I don't think you know I I I love this country I love the you know everything that we're founded on everything that we stand for.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: I can't sit here and say that I'm always proud of what our government does um and what and what our politicians do but I am I'm proud and blessed and grateful to have been born where I was born and and I love this country for it.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: I think that again I I I agree with your guys' point um you know and certainly like you know I'd be I'd be salty if I paid five six hundred dollars for a Bruce Springsteen ticket and you show up at his show and it they're not going to want to talk anti-American you know like um which sucks man because he was the boss that was the guy back in the day you know but um it's it's gotten wildly different now um but I will say this you know just to play devil's advocate we sit here and we're like yeah we just we we paid our money we want to come we want to see music and I agree with that but on the flip side of that none of us have the uh experience yet or the opportunity yet to have our voice be heard for 30 or 4000 people you know I can dig that I can dig that you know I can dig that that's uh that's all I'm gonna say but I can dig that point I I I honestly think that you know what I mean it's a 30,000 forty I mean everyone has a platform they can speak on and make it about themselves and how they feel and how they're opinionated towards things.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: And to me it's more about that person than it is about a movement or anything like that where like somebody would go off on a tangent on something this is how they personally feel it's not for a group of people or something like that.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: So you're making about yourself.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: That's my one thing with sports athletes or any of that stuff is like dude if you're standing up for something like a protest or something like that stuff but when you grab that microphone in front of everybody and you choose that point in time you know what I mean when it's not like to me like a a music person or any like their followers and their people know where they stand and they can talk to them and all that stuff.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: You know but when they go out of the realm to make sure to make this big spiel about how they feel about things I think it's more mostly about them not about the movement.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: I believe like Greg said it's a hundred percent music was founded on that but it was it's so different now where it's that I mean a the visceral hate of the things that like you know what I mean like that the way the wordish the verbiage and all that stuff that comes comes with it.
25:49
SPEAKER_03: And how readily it available it is with social media yeah dude I think it's just so different.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: Like I said 100% obviously everyone freedom of speech you know we all agree with that and stuff like that.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: But you know I I just think it's I think it's kind of like a fad now because in this country it's fully accepted our country sucks this sucks and and everyone's doing it and I I don't think it's a personal feeling to stand up for a movement.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: I think it's ego.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: I think it's ego and once they start talking they go on this tyrant and they feel so special and important and they keep going with it.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Because I I mean I just honestly don't I it's always in these spots you know I mean where there's all these people and stuff like that and it's like dude if you're really for a movement and stuff you'd be doing things and other things beside behind closed doors and all that stuff.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: Like people would know how you feel that are you know what I mean like in your realm and stuff is just like on a full sense of whether it's award shows or this and that yeah all these people pick these moments to do these things I just feel like it's mostly ego man.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: I really absolutely do it.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: And the thing is to you know again to circle back is times are tough right now in America.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: Gas is five bucks a gallon you know we are kind of slipping away from greatness over here.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: So when we when we do get to spend our hard earned money as a privilege to go to a show yeah maybe maybe not the right venue for it you know um and and you know to Dan's point you know especially and it's all you guys've point really about the you know the hate for America and everything right now you know I mean I'll I'll tell you I've been blessed to be able to uh get some stamps on the passport and go to some other places and dude like if if you think it's that bad just just go just go investigate go go take a look at the world and and then come back and tell me that we you know you don't have to sit here and think that this is this is all sunshine and rainbows and and the you know but I I can tell you wholeheartedly that everywhere I've been you know this is the what we are afforded here just by birthright is uh astounding.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: I believe that too and and I do think that we are one of the greatest countries in the world.
28:04
SPEAKER_02: However I think everybody that's singing the tune that uh that it's completely anti-American to say that we're that America's ha has its fucking faults they're the same ones two years ago that were saying our country is shit.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: Like you know what I mean like oh fucking it just depends on who's in office on which side is saying we we suck.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: We're terrible we do everything you know what I mean we're fucking everything up.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: And uh it's just like blind like blind support sometimes I think.
28:36
SPEAKER_03: I can s I can say this I've never once thought our country sucked no matter who's been in office no matter what's been going on because it it always changes it comes in waves you know it it it really truly always does and and maybe this is a short sighted view but you know yeah we can talk about gas prices and all that but like and not to equip everyone but like the prices of eggs are way down and they and they were really high for a while.
29:02
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you guys remember that so like there is a lot of stuff that's come down but my point is that's my point it's like it always fluctuates no matter what it's just life man.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: That's it it's just like everyone complains they're the president this that it's just life.
29:16
SPEAKER_03: Exactly and maybe one day one administration whether it's this one the next one or many many years from now they'll get it all right and it'll all be like wonderful probably not I've never once felt either way no matter who's in office no matter what's been going on um and I just have one more thing before we move on Corey if he had played Halloween would you have felt differently about that would it have been all like yeah just say what it is go ahead fine huh the speech yeah yeah no listen so here's the thing I wasn't the only reason this the whole speech took me by surprise is because of how long it was and how seemingly angry he got about it and now it makes sense because I I watched the video on what he was responding to.
30:04
SPEAKER_02: Like Dan was saying like this wasn't a one-off if you listen to Dave Matthews you know exactly where he stands and he makes it very fucking known he does all sorts of shows in support of those ideals and all it's not a shock and that's completely fine and I'd be his friend today and I'd be anybody's fucking friend because the thing is we all die that's the crazy thing about politics is we all fucking die and Donald Trump is gonna be in the same place that we go.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Like it but it's true isn't it like this this actually means nothing like right like nothing in the grand scheme.
30:41
SPEAKER_03: So that's the fun part about hating each other over it and getting all pissy and whatever so um so yes Halloween would have been fine and actually you know what pissed me off more than the tirade fucking ants marching that's what pissed me off that that hurt way more he could have talked for five more minutes Sean just close with something else yes we'll see you next year Dave we'll still be there we still love your music okay now to another uh possible um six inflammatory time I'm pissed off right now I can't handle it let's well so boxing's not sober guys it's not it's fucking not clip this Janine it's not sober get over it all right I agree I agree we did so last week we did we were starting to talk about like medications and certain drinks and like stuff that can either help curb the craving for alcohol or in the case of like Suboxin where it it is trying to I guess trick the opiate receptors but suboxin still has opiates in it.
32:09
SPEAKER_03: That checks up where we left off you would never last a minute in in Paraguay course no chance um I want to kind of pick up where we left off last week and and we were talking specifically when we ended the show like about like the Vivitrol shot and stuff like that.
32:23
SPEAKER_03: Now I to recap real quick I know it's it's not getting you high it's not habit forming it is simply scientifically whatever it's doing it is blocking the ability to get high on opiates specifically am I right about that guys right Greg did I explain that correctly yes okay the point I wanted to make last week and we can pick this up wherever you guys want uh you guys can repeat some of the stuff you said is fine I think if I understand all that and I don't disagree with any of that if I'm a newcomer in recovery and I am being told on one hand take this shot and it will help you not get high it'll block the desire to get high it'll block the ability I guess desire is not it'll block the ability for you to get high on opiates and then I'm told on the other hand hey we have this process this procedure to lead you to a spiritual way of life to free you of the obsession to drink and get high and all that stuff.
33:32
SPEAKER_03: If I have this vivitrol shot and I think that that's a safety net because let's face it that's technically what pe what we want people to believe when we're giving it to them like oh this is just a little extra insurance I'm not gonna go at the spiritual way of life with the desire and the effort necessary to have the awakening and truly overcome the addiction and the alcoholism does that does that make does that come off clear that's was my big point if I have this thing that's that's aiding and embedding me so to speak like I'm if my could because now oh well wait last week my life was on the line to drink is to die to get high is to die but now I have this vivitrol shot that I can't even get high even if I you know whatever whatever that thought process is why am I gonna go after the spirit and the spiritual way of life which which the four of us would agree isn't the only way well the spiritual way of life I think is the only way but how you get there's different avenues not just the way we have chosen I'm not gonna go at that with the the zeal and the effort and the desperation that I need to that's what I had to say about that.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: Anybody can pick that up where you want I think that I don't know if it's 100% true I I think Vivitrol of all things and see I'm not a I'm not a scientist over here or a doctor the the most doctor I get is how much cocaine to mix with my heroin so I don't really know much but um I I think it has everything to do with motive I like yes true if you're gonna if vi Vivitrol itself is your sobriety plan if if you're gonna rely on that to buy you time then you're probably not gonna have success I didn't I didn't have success with that um because it it does it blocks opiates and I it turns out I like crack too and it doesn't do much for that so uh you gotta take Vivitrol Anabu you gotta you gotta have a whole gamut of stuff two two weeks into Vivitrol and I'm smoking crack so it didn't work out great.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: My daughter's in the room that's the other side of that that coin.
35:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah but I don't know I can't safely I don't I don't want to safely I don't want to 100% say that somebody that's on Vivitrol can't accept this way of life with the earnestness that we all did.
36:00
SPEAKER_03: I want to be clear I don't I don't think can't is the right word I think most of us wouldn't that's probably more of a safe thing than that's probably more that's probably true more often than not that would be my big that would be my it's a crush like that would be my big argument against it.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: That this is not going to save your ass but it could help by five percent maybe that's a thing.
36:31
SPEAKER_03: At least maybe in a treatment setting or for that first like month or two out of treatment maybe yeah whatever right yeah that's that's what I think that's for if you're gonna go long term thinking with it you're probably fucked yeah Greg what about you?
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Well um well first off not to go off on too much of a tangent here but I was listening to the episode last week and I think one thing that we all kind of got wrapped up in and we and we really failed to solidify because we were talking about relapse and everything like that.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: And while there are um many people out there that we've personally known that have that have relapsed some have come back some haven't made it back um I think it the the the point um to emphasize is that if you're a newcomer or new into this and and you'll hear people say um well you know relapse is just a part of recovery and I and I have to be I cringe every time I hear it and it gets under my skin because yes it absolutely does not have to be and there there is a way of life we've we've outlined it we've detailed it and there's other other avenues to it like Sean was just saying but it does not have to be and especially um you know nowadays um it it it's such a razor thin line that you're toting on man so um because because one one shot out there can can kill you so um now that I got that off my chest um it it I I think what it boils down to and I think Corey you make a great point um is is the education portion of it right and I think that you know in a perfect world I would say this because let's face it nowadays with with the treatment industry being what it is and you know they their insurance is not going to pay on the basis of uh whether you can or cannot uh attain a spiritual experience that is not a quantifiable measure uh scientifically to them so um their bean counters at the insurance company are working with the bean counters at the treatment industry and you know they these are the plans they're laying out and and as far as short term scientific in an in a in a in a closed bubble environment that stuff does work right even the harsh stuff that you know um we sit here and we say you know like this isn't this isn't sobriety this is not what sobriety looks like or even close to it um there's a reason that there's still methadone clinics abound in this country you know and and have been for for decades right um and and that shit eats your bones and turns you into into the walking dead you know um kind of like suboxing correct and in terms of the the emotional and mental like absolutely absolutely and I think that um you know like I said in a perfect world when you enter into that treatment facility and you've got you've got a case manager that's supposed to help you with an aftercare plan you've got a primary therapist that you meet with a couple times a week you've got group therapists that you meet with in a group session you have a doctor that you meet with that prescribes you different medications I think in a perfect world everyone involved in that would be educating the client the patient whatever um on you know the the proper the proper stuff like hey this is used for the short term either while you're here or in the 60 to 90 days immediately following but this is not a long term solution and we need to figure out a way to back you off of this or completely you know maybe maybe it is just the 30 to 45 days you're in treatment that you're taking this and we're slowly but surely bumping you off of it.
40:28
SPEAKER_00: You know but I I think that those things that that's where the ball gets dropped because we're humans and humans make mistakes and especially mistakes at work and and all that kind of stuff and and or or the information is just not there or it doesn't jive with you know what the um what the specific treatment center does.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: I I've been to um you know not as a client but I've been you know um uh I've I've worked in some I've I've taken countless uh recovery groups into those uh certain facilities and there's some facilities that really get it there's some facilities that that try and get it the best they can and then there are those that that really don't care they'll they'll keep taking your insurance card every time you want to come back buddy you know and they'll they'll keep that the the juice rolling as they would say you know um and and it it it sucks man um but I think that at the end of the day that's where it falls on us right um as as members of a fellowship a recovery fellowship that is blessed enough to be able to a go into some of these treatment centers and hopefully help educate their clients there and B be in a situation where we have you know treatment uh treatment individuals uh maybe bust to some of our recovery groups you know um and and we can hopefully educate them on on some of that stuff where it's you know hey this this isn't this is not the the way of life you know and and I always kind of liken it to like I was I was uh you know bound in handcuffs per se you know um figuratively speaking for each down handcuffs Greg not no no no sean favorite but but I I was not a free man for uh oh a great many years um because I you know I my my life was drugs and alcohol right and uh all that all this work to get sober do I want to live in that same kind of bondage for the rest of my life or do I want to be truly free and and I think that if we keep trying to be leaders and examples of what that is I I I hope that that people would follow.
42:48
SPEAKER_01: Dan you've been patiently waiting your turn sir yeah um yeah man I mean to me it's like uh a a little more simplistic to the fact of what that person you know what they're thinking of you know because you get Vivitrol also you can you know I mean you're doing all these things like Greg was saying in treatment and stuff but also through the government through the probation process and doing all these things you can get on that.
43:10
SPEAKER_01: So it's really you know what I mean I I think more like on us or on the person you know of your mindset of really laying it out pretty pretty brass tacks man you do realize the problem was you and not what you were taking right you know like that statement right there because that really like hit me you know to realize that like just stopping the substance that you were using is not going to fix the problem.
43:33
SPEAKER_01: There was a reason why you were using that substance and that reason was you and that needs healing and that needs a whole bunch of stuff.
43:39
SPEAKER_01: But I am a I'm a huge especially nowadays I think Greg was saying you know you take one shot and you're dead man.
43:45
SPEAKER_01: I am a huge proponent of whatever we got to do to keep you alive right now, man.
43:49
SPEAKER_01: I am such a proponent I don't care what it is like we've talked about it before I'll sit in the room talk with somebody if I'm keeping you alive for right now or that that drug's keeping you alive for right now I'm you know And this is where one of the corny phrases, right?
44:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, just keep coming back.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: You know, come to one meeting.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: Hey, just keep coming back.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: You can't come back if you're dead.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: Exactly, man.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm like, so because that's so real nowadays.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: And you know, that really is like it's so real nowadays.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, and it's just really it's you know, it's a it's a it's a that's what we do, why we do what we do.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
44:21
SPEAKER_01: Helping other people and and explaining facts that I did not know about myself, explaining facts on the reasons why, you know, that I would have not come to terms with myself.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: So that's an us in recovery fellowships and recovery meetings.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: I really think it falls on us to like, oh hey, I'm on Suboxen or I'm on the Vivitrol shop.
44:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's cool, man.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: It's good to see you, glad, you know what I mean, like and all that stuff.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, like really getting into the facts of the matter.
44:46
SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, to me, honestly, the truth and the hard facts is what kind of turned me into, you know what I mean, wanting to come back and to realize, like, oh shoot, maybe I am the pro because dude, there's so many people that have no idea or they really honestly think that that just stopping a drug or stopping a drink is all they gotta do, you know, and we're armed with these facts about ourselves that we can help these other people.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: And you know, like, but I I am uh, you know, i i if in your head you're like all I need to do is get the big patrol shot or uh all I need to do is get to box, then you got no chance.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
45:17
SPEAKER_01: If that's like what the plan is, I mean you just not you can't, I don't even think you can help that.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing really you can do to you know what I mean.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: If that's really the plan, that's uh that's I mean, we all know it's a you know, maybe 0.1%, you know.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: Well the reason real quick, just that's fine.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: If if all if if all four of us sat here and looked back on on where our bottom was right before we got sober, right?
45:40
SPEAKER_00: I think we can all agree like shit could have gotten worse.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: It was it was sure it was bad, but shit could have been worse, you know.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: Right.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: Um and so to me, you know, I I've I've met and I've worked with a couple guys uh along the way through the years, um, that that didn't really like, yeah, sure they hit a bottom, they they came in, they whatever, and and they they went on Suboxing, and it was like, okay, well, you know, let's let's see how that works for you.
46:11
SPEAKER_00: And and you know, and then two years later, that that was a bottom that they hit because they they realized like yeah, it's not it's not the two years, man.
46:22
SPEAKER_03: People I know people that have been on it for eight, tenths.
46:24
SPEAKER_03: I was just gonna say, yeah, I got a buddy that's been on it for nine years, man.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: It's crazy, bro.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: And it and and I think that that realization has to come to somebody like, damn, man, I'm the problem.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: Because you know, yeah, if if if I if I you know take too many or lose one of my substrips or whatever, and yeah, I'm I'm I'm that I'm that mess all over again, you know.
46:44
SPEAKER_03: And the fear that comes with running out of that or not having, you know, that's sweaty spaghetti is real when that up.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: So so again, we you know, we talk about it a lot, but like who are we to rob somebody of that as well?
46:59
SPEAKER_03: You know, so like I got and I'm gonna tell a quick story of somebody I played golf with recently who had an interesting thing to say on this, but um it's hard enough, I think, when we get a newcomer to work with, it's hard enough to get them to buy into this completely.
47:19
SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm still trying to get Corey to practice a consistent morning routine all these years later, but like, and we say that in jest, and he's actually been much, much better with it.
47:28
SPEAKER_03: But like to get a newcomer to be like, no, no, no, like we're when we say, like, oh, how many times have we heard, like, oh, I didn't really think I had to get down on my knees and pray?
47:36
SPEAKER_03: Like, no, no, no, no, like we legitimately mean get down on your knees and say your prayers, like, have a morning routine.
47:42
SPEAKER_03: Like, it's hard enough to get people to fully buy into the recovery program that the four of us subscribe to and have worked and it's changed our lives, giving them one more thing that makes it an easier, softer way, or one more thing that whether it's vivitrol, suboxin, which are two very different things.
48:02
SPEAKER_03: I want to acknowledge that, or some other, some other, you know, this new drink that's out there, this new medication that that cuts back, giving them one more thing, or one more hurdle, one more thing to put in the way of them actually trying to attain and buying into this way of life.
48:19
SPEAKER_03: I think that's trouble.
48:21
SPEAKER_03: So I played golf with a guy that I've known for a very long time the other day.
48:24
SPEAKER_03: He's sober longer than me.
48:25
SPEAKER_03: Um, we bounce ideas off each other.
48:27
SPEAKER_03: I I've known him a long time.
48:29
SPEAKER_03: He's a bit of an eccentric dude.
48:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, had a very pleasant experience with him on the golf course the other day.
48:33
SPEAKER_03: And we he actually brought this up.
48:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't think he's a listener to the podcast.
48:37
SPEAKER_03: Um, although he might he might be able to sponsor some stuff.
48:40
SPEAKER_03: He he he does he he's a fairly wealthy individual.
48:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, but um he brought it up come not in conjunction with this podcast, but he asked me a question about um it does go against what we stand for, Corey.
48:56
SPEAKER_03: Uh he had a guy that he was mentoring, and he the question was about being on Suboxin.
49:02
SPEAKER_03: He had a guy that's been on Suboxin or other stuff like it.
49:04
SPEAKER_03: And he said he years ago he had a guy that he was mentoring, and he his mentor told him to proceed with the program of recovery with this guy, knowing he was on suboxin, that he was just a conduit, pass on the message, do all that stuff.
49:26
SPEAKER_03: And he said, like within a few months, the guy started to truly practice a relationship with God.
49:34
SPEAKER_03: And he he said that in his prayers and meditation, he said that God told him it's time to come off the Suboxan.
49:41
SPEAKER_03: And he like went and sought out his doctor and weaned down, tapered off, and got off of it, and he's still sober today.
49:47
SPEAKER_03: And like, we when we talk about this subject, we do say, like, oh, it's not us, like, you know, maybe it can help, and maybe they'll hear what they need to hear and they'll have it.
49:57
SPEAKER_03: But this was an actual real life experience of it.
49:59
SPEAKER_03: So I don't know, let's let's talk about that while we wrap up the show.
50:02
SPEAKER_03: What do you, Corey?
50:02
SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
50:03
SPEAKER_03: Like, I my first instinct is like, no way would I take someone through the recovery program that's on Suboxing.
50:12
SPEAKER_03: But is there an argument to be had, like, just go through the process, anyways, and maybe they do hear what they need to hear, maybe they do see the light and have the awakening, or at least the awakening to get off of it, without us or me being the one telling them they should get off of it.
50:30
SPEAKER_02: I I guess I I don't know.
50:33
SPEAKER_02: I for me, it's um it's somewhere very early on in the process that we really need to have a serious conversation about a plan to get off of it.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: Right.
50:44
SPEAKER_02: And that's the only time I've really had this come up, the guy told me I'm I'm not willing to get off of it.
50:50
SPEAKER_02: So it was kind of like, well then here's the thing, it's not it's not a fucking self-righteous like, oh well, you're not gonna get off of it, then I'm not gonna help you anymore.
50:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't want you to succeed in life, and I don't want you to be happy or have any type I I want you to go back to the needle.
51:04
SPEAKER_02: It's not that.
51:05
SPEAKER_02: It's not that.
51:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't have experience doing this.
51:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't have experience using a maintenance drug and accepting God into my life and and and working that program.
51:16
SPEAKER_02: I just saw a cat's ass.
51:18
SPEAKER_02: And overcoming it all.
51:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: Um yes, and overcoming it all.
51:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't have that experience, and like I and that didn't even dawn on me until I watched our friend Brian tell the same guy just that.
51:32
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's just not what we have experience in, so we can't help you do that.
51:36
SPEAKER_02: So if like that's gonna be your way, somebody else can probably help you do that, maybe.
51:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, who are we to say?
51:44
SPEAKER_02: But um but it's not just like I don't have experience helping a fucking gambler.
51:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna go do that.
51:50
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
51:51
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't have experience helping many different types of people with many different afflictions, many different avenues.
51:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how to help you in that way.
52:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're strictly drugs, alcohol, and sex addiction.
52:02
SPEAKER_03: I know, I know.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: And I'm still struggling with sex and politics.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: Which one?
52:09
SPEAKER_02: And fucking politics.
52:10
SPEAKER_02: So and you know what?
52:12
SPEAKER_02: Actually, to bring it all back to that, who the fuck cares?
52:15
SPEAKER_02: We're all gonna die.
52:18
SPEAKER_02: Who cares who's on Sabots in anyway?
52:20
SPEAKER_02: Like, who gives a shit?
52:22
SPEAKER_02: No, but like to it to a degree I'm serious.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: Like no, you're not.
52:27
SPEAKER_02: No, a little I really am a little bit.
52:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, listen.
52:31
SPEAKER_02: Because I had a whole ass or not, I had a whole ass discussion about this recently.
52:35
SPEAKER_02: And it was, you know, what it does come down to is I like Dan said, I'm in favor of harm reduction.
52:40
SPEAKER_02: I absolutely am.
52:41
SPEAKER_02: Dude, there's I got I got some extreme views on harm reduction that you guys don't even agree with, I think.
52:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we've talked about that a little bit.
52:48
SPEAKER_02: And I I feel pretty passionate about it.
52:51
SPEAKER_03: And hey, you want to move to Seattle?
52:53
SPEAKER_03: Go ahead, my friend.
52:54
SPEAKER_02: I'll fucking smoke crack right in front of that target that we saw people smoking crack in front of.
52:59
SPEAKER_02: But in Seattle, not in not in Stewart.
53:03
SPEAKER_02: Not in Jensen Beach.
53:04
SPEAKER_02: Although I'd smoke crack in that target too.
53:08
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so like if you're if you're on Suboxing, like I'm happy for you.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: I actually truly am.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: I no, I'm serious.
53:15
SPEAKER_02: I am.
53:15
SPEAKER_02: If you're gonna walk into our meetings and try to tell people that that's like the way of recovery and try to help people like that, I have a problem with that.
53:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay, no, no.
53:24
SPEAKER_02: Like just like you don't and you don't have to lie to kick it either.
53:26
SPEAKER_02: Like you can be our friend.
53:28
SPEAKER_02: Nobody said I don't not want to be friends with people that have different avenues of life and stuff.
53:33
SPEAKER_02: Ain't about that.
53:34
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
53:35
SPEAKER_02: So it's just and I'm I'm kinda serious, guys.
53:39
SPEAKER_02: Like we this is this we all fall off the same cliff at the end of this thing.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: So it's like you know, I'm I'm with let people live too.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna bitch about them a little bit, but at the end of the day, I want to let them live.
53:54
SPEAKER_02: I don't like any of you, honestly.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: So morbid.
53:56
SPEAKER_02: You can all be on to boxing for all I care.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: Shit.
54:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I said it.
54:03
SPEAKER_00: Greg somebody talk.
54:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I used to have those same kind of views.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh and and you know, to a certain extent, like I I agree with some of the stuff that that Corey says.
54:16
SPEAKER_00: Um and I certainly felt early on, like, yeah, exactly.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: How am I gonna help that person die?
54:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't know anything about that, I I have no experience with that, so how am I gonna help that person?
54:28
SPEAKER_00: And then um, you know, in the ensuing years, I've I've watched a lot of people die, you know, and I think that you know, at the end of the day, like that just that that hits home somewhere totally different, man.
54:40
SPEAKER_00: And and I and I just think that for me I I try to take the tack of who am I to say no?
54:49
SPEAKER_00: And what's what's the ultimate um what's what's of the ultimate importance, right?
54:57
SPEAKER_00: And what am I losing?
54:58
SPEAKER_00: What am I losing an hour or two of time per week to sit down and talk with a guy about spiritual principles, about God, about getting sober, about living a good life?
55:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so, you know, because I get something out of that regardless, right?
55:14
SPEAKER_00: Um but I also um believe that, you know, maybe and maybe not, but maybe there is an off chance that that here he hears what I'm saying, he sees the life that I'm living, you know, the example that I am and wants to do better for himself.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: And and you know, it again, it's it's not my place to say whether or not that's gonna happen, you know.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: But all I can do is try and and be there and be um hopefully uh a good example of what an upstanding sober man is, you know.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: So um I don't say no, uh, but I do make it very clear that like, hey, it's it's you are not I again I try not to de deal in absolutes either because I'm not God.
56:06
SPEAKER_00: Um and I certainly did a piss poor job of playing him uh for many years, but in in my experience, it is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for you to really grasp these spiritual principles and really can carry on this way of life if this is the path that you're that you're on, you know.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: You know, can I say something real quick?
56:36
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
56:38
SPEAKER_02: Keep it short, but I meant to say this already.
56:40
SPEAKER_02: Sean, you mentioned the the guy that you talked with, and that's that's a great story.
56:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm glad to hear it.
56:46
SPEAKER_02: Can I also just say that the people that can easily call those types of things recovery, meaning like long-term like maintenance use recovery are the fucking people selling it to people in treatment industries.
57:02
SPEAKER_02: I swear to God, those are the people I've had arguments with.
57:06
SPEAKER_02: And I truly believe that it's that they believe that because they that's how they reconcile it with themselves.
57:13
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like that kind of stuff's a little skewed, you know what I mean?
57:17
SPEAKER_02: Like they have a they just have that point of view, I guess.
57:22
SPEAKER_03: And I I I want to be clear too, this person.
57:26
SPEAKER_03: He specifically said he is of the belief that that is not sobriety either.
57:34
SPEAKER_03: And when he does his recovery work one-on-one, he's very, very against that.
57:39
SPEAKER_03: He does happen to work in the industry, yes.
57:41
SPEAKER_03: But I I I I agree, I just want to make that point.
57:44
SPEAKER_02: They just seem to be much more open to that way of thinking rather than because there it's it's just it's not I'm gonna shut up, but it's it's not a black and it's not a black and white, it's it is a gray area, but there's also like a line of condoning it.
57:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
57:59
SPEAKER_02: And trying to actually help somebody be completely free.
58:02
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, that's all I'm saying.
58:04
SPEAKER_03: I agree.
58:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I just firmly believe like for me, it's like a hard no that I'm gonna go through uh stuff with somebody as a mentor in the spiritual principles and all that stuff.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: Like Corey was saying, uh, you know, I have a bunch of friends that drink, you know.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: I'll go to I'll go to a pizza place and they'll have a drink, and that's fine.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: You know, you want to do sboxing, that's fine.
58:24
SPEAKER_01: You wanna, you know, oh hey, you know, I seen you go into this meeting or you were talking like this and stuff like that, I'll have a conversation with them and stuff like that.
58:32
SPEAKER_01: But I will not like go through the work because I was also told from my mentor and from other people that all of a sudden after you get out of treatment and all that stuff, the fog lifts and your mind gets a little clearer, and in order to be reached, you can't be in an altered state of mind and body.
58:49
SPEAKER_01: So as a as a as a person in recovery to to take somebody through the quote work, you know what I mean?
58:57
SPEAKER_01: I would not do that with somebody that is on Suboxin or on some other thing.
59:01
SPEAKER_01: I would not.
59:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
59:04
SPEAKER_03: I once had an argument, not an argument, excuse me.
59:06
SPEAKER_03: I shouldn't say that.
59:07
SPEAKER_03: We didn't argue, but I once had someone at our our meeting location.
59:12
SPEAKER_03: Um we have we have Narcan in our meeting hall.
59:16
SPEAKER_03: We have it on the wall now.
59:17
SPEAKER_03: It's been there for quite some time.
59:20
SPEAKER_03: But this person who I look up to and respect is sober a little longer than me, was like just noticing it, noticed it for the first time.
59:28
SPEAKER_03: This is about a year or two ago, and he was like dead set against having that in the meeting location.
59:34
SPEAKER_03: And his now he's also a very Christian man, so he takes a and he's very involved in recovery, but he takes a hardline Christian stance too on a lot of this stuff, which I don't even know if that's fair to say, because I'm sure there's Christians that would love to have Narcan around to help save lives, but in in he came at it from I know for a fact, because I know him personally, he came at it from that standpoint.
59:55
SPEAKER_03: He was dead set against having Narcan.
59:57
SPEAKER_03: He felt like that was I I don't exactly remember the words he used, but essentially, like those that are supposed to die have to die, and maybe the others can live.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_03: And that's a hard he hit you with natural selection, dude.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_03: He did.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_03: And I and I like that's a little far.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_03: That's wild.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_03: He he didn't say those words specifically, but that's kind of that's what he was getting at.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_02: And like imagine your child has been saved from Narcan and hearing somebody say that live in the flesh.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_02: Right be like, oh, really?
1:00:30
SPEAKER_02: Right to the right to the nose.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like really, let's step outside, dickhead.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was it was tough to hear.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_03: It was tough to hear.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_03: But he was, and to bring this back real, you know, not not to bring it back to the Dave stuff again, but like what I do appreciate, I do, I even if I veheminently disagree with your stance, I agree, I appreciate that you're man enough, woman enough, human enough, whatever, to state how you feel and not placate to whatever crowd you're in.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_03: I do, I can get down with that.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_03: I can get down with that.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, that was a wild one.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_01: That Dave stuff was the opposite, though.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was placating of the guy in the crowd.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe you could argue it that way, but but you know, whatever.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_03: So who cares?
1:01:18
SPEAKER_03: We all fucking die one time.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's go.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_03: I like when we get I like when we get a little fiery on this podcast.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't sleep.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_02: I I it's hard to come back next week.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_02: It's well, you don't have to.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_03: It doesn't matter.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_03: Morning routine, baby.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_02: Let's go.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's it's good.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_03: It doesn't have to be that way.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_03: It's probably good.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_03: It's good for all of us to hear different, slightly different points of view, even though the four of us are kind of somewhat in the same realm.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_03: But I'm gonna get my script to subs and peace out here.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_03: On that note, shout out to our listeners.
1:01:49
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1:02:05
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1:02:14
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1:02:17
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1:02:18
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1:02:19
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1:02:23
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