Latest / Stuff Mom Never Told You / Happy Hour #68: Dear SMNTY
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff
- 0:07Speaker 1: I never told you a production of I Heart Radio.
- 0:18Speaker 1: And welcome to another happy hour. Um. As always, if
- 0:23Speaker 1: you choose to drink, please do so responsibly. Uh, and
- 0:26Speaker 1: you know we've been talking a lot. There's a lot
- 0:29Speaker 1: of heavy stuff going on lately in the United States,
- 0:34Speaker 1: in the world, and look at some potential vacation and
- 0:39Speaker 1: moving happening. Berries. Moving is so stressful, so we thought
- 0:49Speaker 1: we would do a lighter one today. That's sort of
- 0:52Speaker 1: a companion piece to our Turning Red episode. But what
- 0:56Speaker 1: are you slipping on, Samantha? I think I had this
- 1:00Speaker 1: last time, but it's see bells over on. I got
- 1:02Speaker 1: the can addition because typically they come in glass bottles.
- 1:05Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just chaking up beer. It's a very
- 1:08Speaker 1: summary beer, probably one of my face not quite a
- 1:11Speaker 1: wheat beer, but almost a wheat beer, so it makes
- 1:14Speaker 1: me happy, but still very beer eat. Yes, and by
- 1:17Speaker 1: the way, we're not sponsored. Hey, but someone melts you
- 1:19Speaker 1: want to sponsor me? I love reach out. I'm drinking
- 1:26Speaker 1: essentially a margarita, but I used my special color changing stuff,
- 1:31Speaker 1: so it's purple, purplely blue. Because today is Revenge of
- 1:35Speaker 1: the Fifth as we record this, and I'm drinking out
- 1:37Speaker 1: of my Vader glass excited. That's exciting. She's so decked
- 1:43Speaker 1: out in Star Wars No Surprise. Yeah. Yeah. My friend
- 1:46Speaker 1: texted me because we're supposed to go see a New
- 1:49Speaker 1: Hope theaters and she's like, are you dressing up? And
- 1:51Speaker 1: I said, I'll probably wear some light costuming and she
- 1:54Speaker 1: was like, I met like a dress and I was like,
- 1:56Speaker 1: who do you think you're talking to? Come out of
- 1:59Speaker 1: the same thing. You guys are going to a very
- 2:02Speaker 1: themed thing at a theater that is no for people
- 2:04Speaker 1: dressing up, So he has in costuming, so that made
- 2:08Speaker 1: perfect is to me. It was very very funny because
- 2:11Speaker 1: I could tell she was confused. But that's actually a
- 2:14Speaker 1: good uh segue into the conversation I want to have,
- 2:17Speaker 1: which is just kind of a light heart to talk
- 2:19Speaker 1: about some crushes we had, some fan stuff we might
- 2:24Speaker 1: have done that now feels very embarrassing because after Turning
- 2:28Speaker 1: Red came out, I did have all of these memories
- 2:32Speaker 1: come back to me. I am clearly someone who does
- 2:36Speaker 1: fan a lot, like I get really into something which
- 2:41Speaker 1: I have been changed for in the past. But we're
- 2:43Speaker 1: not really going to talk about that today. I I
- 2:47Speaker 1: didn't mention in that episode, which if you haven't listened
- 2:50Speaker 1: to it, go check it out. Then. I have written
- 2:52Speaker 1: several fan letters in my day, and all of them
- 2:55Speaker 1: I I don't know if regrets the right word, but
- 2:59Speaker 1: I hope they're destroyed. I hope they don't exist anywhere.
- 3:07Speaker 1: So one of them I wrote when I was nine
- 3:10Speaker 1: years old. I had a huge crush on Ryan Gosling,
- 3:12Speaker 1: who was in the show called Young Hercules that I
- 3:15Speaker 1: still own. I recorded them on VHS every day after school,
- 3:22Speaker 1: and so I'm like, I bet I could convert the
- 3:24Speaker 1: use and maybe make some money or either I'd get sued,
- 3:26Speaker 1: probably that one. But I had a huge crush on him,
- 3:31Speaker 1: like embarrassingly huge. I had a little Reese's lunchbox that
- 3:36Speaker 1: had pictures that I would cut out from paper like
- 3:40Speaker 1: magazines and stuff. I had a little like talkback thing
- 3:44Speaker 1: from a time in the show where he said I
- 3:45Speaker 1: love you, and I would just play it. Yeah, it's bad,
- 3:49Speaker 1: it's embarrassing. And I wrote him a letter and I
- 3:55Speaker 1: dotted all the eyes with hearts. That's amazing. Even better,
- 4:02Speaker 1: I feel like that's just iconic, an iconic move. Oh.
- 4:05Speaker 1: I dotted all the eyes with hearts. It was a
- 4:07Speaker 1: two page letter. I really don't remember anything it said
- 4:11Speaker 1: except at the end I said, p S. Will you
- 4:13Speaker 1: be my Valentine? Oh? I hope it's been destroyed. I
- 4:20Speaker 1: don't know why I feel like I hope it exists.
- 4:23Speaker 1: I don't remember doing fan letters, um, to be fair like,
- 4:26Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of that was a blur
- 4:27Speaker 1: for me. I may have because my brother did. And
- 4:32Speaker 1: one of the fan letters was for Tiffany, an eighties musician,
- 4:36Speaker 1: and he actually received something back, uh, and I was like, oh, interesting.
- 4:42Speaker 1: But I did have the New Kids in the Block lunchbox.
- 4:46Speaker 1: I definitely had that and carried that around once to
- 4:49Speaker 1: say it was Joey that I loved. I can't remember
- 4:51Speaker 1: it was Joey or Jordan's. I think it was Joey
- 4:53Speaker 1: because I knew he was closer to my age at
- 4:57Speaker 1: that point in time. But yeah, I definitely was say
- 5:00Speaker 1: beyond that, I don't think so. Of course, I still
- 5:03Speaker 1: had the fantasies as a teenager. That yes, one of
- 5:06Speaker 1: the instinct boys again, Lance Mass, which is so many levels.
- 5:10Speaker 1: Obviously that Lance Bass was definitely going to find me
- 5:14Speaker 1: meet me, and we were going to have that moment
- 5:16Speaker 1: such as Turning Red where he realizes I'm not I'm
- 5:19Speaker 1: not like the other girls. Yes, again, this is a
- 5:21Speaker 1: really badganistic tropes in my head and therefore more special
- 5:25Speaker 1: for him to choose, which again, he could care less
- 5:27Speaker 1: if I'm not like other girls because he doesn't care
- 5:31Speaker 1: about girls. Right, like that, like that, right, And that
- 5:35Speaker 1: is one point I wanted to make an the Turning
- 5:37Speaker 1: Red one, and we didn't. I do believe like that
- 5:40Speaker 1: kind of fan girling and falling, feeling like you're in
- 5:44Speaker 1: love with somebody. I actually cried the day I realized
- 5:47Speaker 1: Ryan Goslick and I were never gonna get married. Yeah,
- 5:49Speaker 1: it is a safe space to explore sexuality generally, but
- 5:53Speaker 1: as we talked about in the Emo pop one, not
- 5:55Speaker 1: always right. That is a good note. Okay, So I
- 6:01Speaker 1: got older. My next big crush was Daniel Radcliffe. I
- 6:05Speaker 1: had it. It was bad, very huge crush on him.
- 6:08Speaker 1: It was It was like started because, as I said,
- 6:10Speaker 1: I generally go for fictional characters, so it started as
- 6:13Speaker 1: Harry Potter, but then because he was Harry Potter's age,
- 6:17Speaker 1: it kind of became like very intertwined for me, I
- 6:20Speaker 1: wrote him a fan letter. This one I find even
- 6:23Speaker 1: more embarrassing because at least with the Ryan Gossling one,
- 6:26Speaker 1: I was nine. This when I was fourteen, and I
- 6:30Speaker 1: wrote a letter in which I tried to break down.
- 6:35Speaker 1: I think I was trying to seem deep, but I
- 6:38Speaker 1: was talking about the meaning of life and like for
- 6:43Speaker 1: like at the end, this seems to be a theme
- 6:47Speaker 1: with me. I put some note of like, you know,
- 6:49Speaker 1: in America there's this thing called prom. I don't know
- 6:51Speaker 1: if you've never wanted to go, but like, you know,
- 6:54Speaker 1: I'd be available. That's so amazing. But you know what,
- 6:59Speaker 1: kids are not doing that today? And they did typically
- 7:01Speaker 1: put it on social media and sometimes it works. Is
- 7:04Speaker 1: it sexual? No? Is it all about oh this is
- 7:07Speaker 1: fun or publicity or whatever a kind hearted gesture? Yes,
- 7:11Speaker 1: but hey you're shot and I missed, which is again
- 7:18Speaker 1: for the best. I think I never read it. Who
- 7:24Speaker 1: is Daniel Radcliffe with now? Like she's not a big celebrity, right,
- 7:28Speaker 1: she's someone educational. I feel like it's uh, I have
- 7:31Speaker 1: to go back and look. But it's not like your
- 7:33Speaker 1: typical young stars, Like he was never rented to that,
- 7:37Speaker 1: so who knows? Maybe had he just read it instead
- 7:41Speaker 1: of bypassing it like probably his publicity is probably his
- 7:46Speaker 1: publicist was just like, we're gonna just stamp these, you know,
- 7:50Speaker 1: had he maybe read yours, it could have been a
- 7:53Speaker 1: different story, some like Branching Universe, where I actually did
- 7:59Speaker 1: maybe with Daniel Radcliffe. Oh my gosh. Again, I can't
- 8:04Speaker 1: remember the contents of the letter other than the general
- 8:07Speaker 1: vibe was very like, oh so emo oh, And I
- 8:13Speaker 1: think at the time, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but
- 8:15Speaker 1: I'll admit it. I did watch like interviews with him,
- 8:19Speaker 1: so I was trying to be like he said something
- 8:21Speaker 1: like he liked emo girls, so I was like, ah,
- 8:26Speaker 1: it's a perfect match. I mean, that was the idea
- 8:31Speaker 1: behind publicist in there, like to get to the point
- 8:36Speaker 1: that it feels like they are talking to you individually
- 8:40Speaker 1: and pointing you out, and those connections can only be
- 8:44Speaker 1: felt by you. It's a genius marketing rap, like it's
- 8:49Speaker 1: the kind of that whole thing of like, for the
- 8:50Speaker 1: longest time, the celebrities could not show that they were
- 8:54Speaker 1: in relationships, especially if you're a teenage heartthrob type of conversation,
- 8:58Speaker 1: and yes, heartthrob, I am all don't start with me.
- 9:01Speaker 1: But they they had to be present single because they
- 9:05Speaker 1: need to be ever available to the fans. Um And
- 9:10Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's definitely a conversation. And again not
- 9:13Speaker 1: that Lance Bass would have come out anytime earlier, but
- 9:17Speaker 1: one of the things about being a boy band was, no,
- 9:19Speaker 1: you can't be gay, you have to be straight. These
- 9:22Speaker 1: girls I have to believe they have a chance with you,
- 9:25Speaker 1: like in that level and that conversation and like what
- 9:28Speaker 1: that looks like and how that goes and this again,
- 9:31Speaker 1: for those you have to also have this like level
- 9:35Speaker 1: of purity as well, which is that whole different trope
- 9:38Speaker 1: in itself. But yeah, because they were smart, they played
- 9:41Speaker 1: at the game. They made sure that they felt this
- 9:44Speaker 1: energy and connection and be real and you know, we
- 9:46Speaker 1: have to have this conversation, not necessarily because people are
- 9:50Speaker 1: crushing on us in general, but the fact that we
- 9:53Speaker 1: are very honest and try to we understand people can
- 9:57Speaker 1: pick up on fake pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah, and I'd
- 10:03Speaker 1: forgotten about that whole conversation. I'm glad you brought that up,
- 10:05Speaker 1: because that was the conversation with Taylor Swift even for
- 10:08Speaker 1: a while where they were like she's hiding she's dating
- 10:10Speaker 1: someone because she needs to be single. A lot of
- 10:13Speaker 1: boy bands do you have that. I don't like to
- 10:29Speaker 1: see the fandom where you turn on the love the
- 10:33Speaker 1: person who is with whoever you're crushing on because you're
- 10:37Speaker 1: then you're mad because you can't be with them at
- 10:39Speaker 1: least for no legitimate reason. That, and that's especially in
- 10:44Speaker 1: the age of social media, is why they attack people's partners.
- 10:49Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Justin Bieber, but when he
- 10:52Speaker 1: got together with his new now wife, it was a
- 10:56Speaker 1: whole dramatic things. She was getting harassed, it was over
- 11:01Speaker 1: the top, and without even knowing who she was. Like,
- 11:04Speaker 1: of course, there might be other reasons not to like her.
- 11:06Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know anything about her other
- 11:08Speaker 1: than she's a beautiful woman who came into her own
- 11:12Speaker 1: got together with Justin Bieber. Now like finally got to
- 11:15Speaker 1: the point of just like them being a couple and
- 11:18Speaker 1: being fine, But like, she still gets messages about how
- 11:21Speaker 1: they hate her. In comparison to Selena Gomez. Yeah, that
- 11:26Speaker 1: whole celebrity dating scene with fans just sounds like a nightmare.
- 11:32Speaker 1: It's so weird. Things like this whole ownership of a
- 11:34Speaker 1: couple of them on top of the individual too. It's
- 11:36Speaker 1: such an odd level of loving someone or really feeling
- 11:43Speaker 1: like they're in tune with someone. And to a certain extent, sure,
- 11:47Speaker 1: you do you as long as you're not harming anybody.
- 11:50Speaker 1: But if you're throwing out threats and calling people names
- 11:52Speaker 1: because you're mad, it's like, oh, you might want to
- 11:55Speaker 1: take that back. Yeah, And I thought about this a
- 12:01Speaker 1: lot because of fan fiction. But as I said, when
- 12:05Speaker 1: I first started reading fan fiction, everyone hated pretty much.
- 12:10Speaker 1: Everyone hated all the women are girls. They hated them
- 12:14Speaker 1: because essentially it was oh, Jenny Weasley, who is a
- 12:18Speaker 1: very popular one that everyone hated. She stepped in and
- 12:21Speaker 1: like ruined this formula. She's not good enough or whatever.
- 12:23Speaker 1: But it was hate. Like you can criticize the character,
- 12:26Speaker 1: but there's a difference between that and just like outright
- 12:29Speaker 1: hating them because you think they've gotten a way of
- 12:33Speaker 1: your relationship. And luckily I've seen that again, I'm in
- 12:37Speaker 1: a specific corner of fan fiction, so I don't know,
- 12:41Speaker 1: but in my experience has changed and now people are
- 12:43Speaker 1: really embracing um these characters, which I'm very very happy
- 12:47Speaker 1: to see. But ultimately, like when you're seeing it play
- 12:49Speaker 1: out with these real life celebrities. Um, these are real
- 12:54Speaker 1: people and you're attacking them. You don't know them. And
- 12:57Speaker 1: also it's still it kind of comes down to like
- 13:00Speaker 1: pitting women against women, right, And it's really concerning when
- 13:06Speaker 1: they start blowing the lines from the actor or the
- 13:10Speaker 1: person who's portraying a character to the character in the
- 13:12Speaker 1: level which kudos to them, they're an amazing actor if
- 13:16Speaker 1: they can really fool you into thinking that's the that's
- 13:20Speaker 1: their persona also really bad at the same time, Like,
- 13:22Speaker 1: I still feel bad for the dude who played Geoffrey
- 13:25Speaker 1: and Game with Throws and he's pretty much since it
- 13:26Speaker 1: was like I quit, I don't think I can do
- 13:28Speaker 1: anything because he played the worst character so well, Like
- 13:33Speaker 1: he did so well in that character, and it turns
- 13:35Speaker 1: out from what I've heard, of course I don't know him,
- 13:38Speaker 1: just that he's just a genuinely good kid and good
- 13:41Speaker 1: guy and people who knew and loved him, but this
- 13:44Speaker 1: character is so horrendous that he's like, no one's gonna
- 13:47Speaker 1: like I'm tired of acting. I don't know this. This
- 13:49Speaker 1: acting process was you know, painful, whatever, and it's not
- 13:53Speaker 1: for me whatever whatnot. But like also probably knowing that
- 13:57Speaker 1: this is going to be the typecast and he may
- 13:58Speaker 1: forever be the villain. Some people are like, okay with
- 14:01Speaker 1: Gary Oldman, one of the classic bad guys, I'm like
- 14:05Speaker 1: every time I see and I'm like, you're the worst
- 14:07Speaker 1: person ever Sands, you know, Harry Potter, but you know,
- 14:12Speaker 1: he really does play that character so well and he
- 14:15Speaker 1: loved and he loves that character for the longest time
- 14:18Speaker 1: that it is kind of like who it's really hard
- 14:20Speaker 1: to differentiate you because you're so good at it. But
- 14:23Speaker 1: realizing like we can't abuse people it's because we don't
- 14:27Speaker 1: like the character they played, or like genuinely begin to
- 14:31Speaker 1: hate it, not the character, but hated the character in itself,
- 14:34Speaker 1: or because there was someone and it's not you, right right.
- 14:39Speaker 1: I mean, that's a whole conversation about that's so much
- 14:42Speaker 1: like fan entitled ement, fan entitlement and ownership. That is
- 14:46Speaker 1: really really problematic. I will say, in my case, Danny
- 14:51Speaker 1: Racliffe did SNAr response. It was obviously not him, but
- 14:55Speaker 1: you know I did get yeah, I did get respect
- 15:00Speaker 1: an autograph picture and I later I saw him at
- 15:04Speaker 1: a place in New York and I got his autograph
- 15:06Speaker 1: in person and I froze, Like you want to say,
- 15:11Speaker 1: did you ask him on a date? It's like I
- 15:13Speaker 1: turned into a mannequin and I was just holding it
- 15:16Speaker 1: and he walked by and signed it and that was
- 15:17Speaker 1: the end of the air. I love that moment. That
- 15:23Speaker 1: would be moments like that. I'm like, I don't I
- 15:25Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I was like, this is
- 15:28Speaker 1: the world. Why did I try this? This is terrible?
- 15:30Speaker 1: Get out, get out, get out. I do that with
- 15:32Speaker 1: people that other people don't know. But I have admired
- 15:36Speaker 1: from afar that I'm like, and they genuinely don't typically
- 15:39Speaker 1: get that reaction, but because I know of them, are like,
- 15:42Speaker 1: I can't talk to him. It's just it's just but heard.
- 15:49Speaker 1: That was part Cannon. I remember. I was so flustered.
- 15:52Speaker 1: It was so bad. I still loved her and she
- 15:55Speaker 1: called me soon after. I called me friend. I was like, oh,
- 15:59Speaker 1: likely you might have a daught forever. Mean that one time.
- 16:03Speaker 1: But yeah, people who I admire and do amazing things,
- 16:06Speaker 1: I freeze and I just babble. Is hard for it's
- 16:10Speaker 1: hardcore for me. Me Yeah, me too, me too. I
- 16:15Speaker 1: don't think I've ever I actually don't super as much
- 16:19Speaker 1: as it doesn't sound like it right now. I don't
- 16:21Speaker 1: super get into celebrity culture often. That's why when I
- 16:23Speaker 1: do get into it, I get into it. Why I
- 16:26Speaker 1: think the person I would be most nervous about, because
- 16:29Speaker 1: we've talked about old a couple of people I would
- 16:31Speaker 1: be most nervous about, because I think we had a
- 16:33Speaker 1: dream list. Eves when she was producer back with was like,
- 16:37Speaker 1: send me a dreamless of people, and I was like,
- 16:39Speaker 1: those would be the people I would like, just buckle under.
- 16:42Speaker 1: I think Michelle Obama was like the big one. I
- 16:44Speaker 1: was like, I would die, I would die, um, and
- 16:46Speaker 1: then below that would pat the locks for me and
- 16:48Speaker 1: other please for a lot of Jesus, let me meet her. Hey,
- 16:54Speaker 1: there's still time. There's still time. But yeah, I was
- 17:00Speaker 1: just thinking about this. I because ever since we did
- 17:03Speaker 1: that Turning Red one and then my friends and I
- 17:05Speaker 1: because I've been very open about writing fan letters and
- 17:09Speaker 1: kind of the embarrassing while looking back now feels embarrassing
- 17:12Speaker 1: to me fans stuff that I've done. But I've had
- 17:14Speaker 1: some friends come out of the woodwork and I really
- 17:17Speaker 1: enjoyed the conversation and hearing like, oh, you wrote a
- 17:20Speaker 1: letter to that person. I did not ever write a
- 17:25Speaker 1: letter to Billy Joe Armstrong our Green Day that was
- 17:29Speaker 1: my big band. I did join their fan club. I
- 17:32Speaker 1: paid money to join their fan club, but I never
- 17:35Speaker 1: had enough the money to do that. But yeah, I
- 17:38Speaker 1: thought about it. Yeah it was nice. I mean they
- 17:41Speaker 1: put up like clips and new songs and stuff. I
- 17:45Speaker 1: think it's twenty bucks. But I definitely went to So.
- 17:50Speaker 1: They have a tradition at their concerts where when they
- 17:52Speaker 1: play long View I think it's the name of the song.
- 17:55Speaker 1: Oh gosh, if I got it wrong, I'm terrible fan.
- 17:58Speaker 1: They bring on person from the audience to play with him,
- 18:02Speaker 1: and then the person gets to keep the guitar. And
- 18:04Speaker 1: I tried. I went to like five concerts trying to
- 18:07Speaker 1: get up. There be the one. I learned to play
- 18:10Speaker 1: guitar because of that. Yeah, yeah, so that's some serious
- 18:17Speaker 1: fan activity. You would have been Would you have been
- 18:19Speaker 1: one of those girls who just sits and cries or
- 18:21Speaker 1: passed out. I don't think I would have cried. I
- 18:24Speaker 1: think I would have been shaking so badly, which I
- 18:26Speaker 1: actually so happened to somebody who got pulled up on stage.
- 18:30Speaker 1: It was a young kid, actually he was shaking so
- 18:32Speaker 1: badly couldn't play, and they were very kind with him.
- 18:34Speaker 1: They started playing for to cover up what he was doing.
- 18:39Speaker 1: I don't think I would have passed out, but there
- 18:41Speaker 1: have been something like I think from the back row,
- 18:43Speaker 1: from the nose bleeds you could have seen me shaking. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 18:48Speaker 1: that It sounds like fun, and then you would think
- 18:50Speaker 1: about the real like implications of it, and they're like, no,
- 18:52Speaker 1: I don't, I don't want that. I don't, I don't
- 18:55Speaker 1: want that, and the people have been recording it, and
- 18:58Speaker 1: then it's on YouTube and that's who you are. All right, Well,
- 19:04Speaker 1: thanks for reminiscing with me, and hopefully this gave a
- 19:07Speaker 1: bit of a much needed bright spot in all this
- 19:10Speaker 1: kind of grim territory we're in right now. Cheers, cheers, cheers.
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