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Speaker 1: Is the bold report tonight another fake scare about the
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Speaker 1: great barrier reef these global warmers. And also tonight how
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Speaker 1: this billionaire walked away with millions of dollars of government
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Speaker 1: grants for a dud green scheme that the government claimed
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Speaker 1: could save us. Another scam photo of starving Palestinians, these
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Speaker 1: allegedly scrabbling for food. And the anniversary today the bombing
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Speaker 1: of a Hiroshima. What many mourners actually forget and tone deaf?
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Speaker 1: This German millionaire's family made money making gas the murdered Jews.
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Speaker 1: Now she's offer a protest ship to Gaza. But first
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Speaker 1: this Albany Albanize government's big summit in two weeks to
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Speaker 1: save our economy is turning into a big shrinking joke
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Speaker 1: a fast. It started out a month ago being a
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Speaker 1: summit about everything that might make us richer.
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Speaker 2: The roundtable will be about shaping the direction for long
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Speaker 2: term economic reform, building consensus on national reform priorities for
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Speaker 2: this term of government.
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Speaker 1: Then it turned out it would just be a productivity summit.
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Speaker 1: How to make us more productive, and yes, how to
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Speaker 1: fix that small matter of this government spending so much
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Speaker 1: that it will for the next decade post deficit after deficit,
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Speaker 1: but fix it by raising taxes, you know, not cutting
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Speaker 1: its spending. So then of course it turned into a
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Speaker 1: free for all about what taxes could go up. Organizations
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Speaker 1: going to the summit, obact you Productivity Commission. We're tossing
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Speaker 1: around all sorts of ideas, like a tax on business
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Speaker 1: cash flow, how about a wealth tax. The government even
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Speaker 1: refused to rule out a higher GSD. So I just
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Speaker 1: started to get nervous, businesses starting to get angry, and
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister panic threw a blanket over the whole lot.
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Speaker 1: And now the sum it's just going to be an
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Speaker 1: economic roundtable to talk more about deregulation, getting more homes built,
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Speaker 1: oh and maybe regulating artificial intelligence as well. Where did
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Speaker 1: that come from? The worse off the agenda and not
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Speaker 1: just cuts the spending, but scrapping the government's disasters net
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Speaker 1: zero policy and cutting power prices. And the Treasurer, now
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Speaker 1: put firmly in this box by the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 1: today saying well, whatever we do talk about it might
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Speaker 1: not actually go anywhere anyway.
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Speaker 2: Comments at the pmade earlier in the week about the
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Speaker 2: role of the roundtable, I agree with one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: It's not about replacing the important decision making functions of ministers.
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Speaker 2: It's about testing and teasing out the next step.
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Speaker 1: If we finish up.
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Speaker 2: Those three days and the worst we've got is a
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Speaker 2: whole bunch of ideas, well motivated ideas that we can
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Speaker 2: work through in the contacts of the next couple of budgets,
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Speaker 2: and that would be a great outcome. That's a pathetic
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Speaker 2: return for all the effort charmers are so far put
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Speaker 2: into trying to get agreement on some big agenda. He
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Speaker 2: met around seventy five chief executives and senior industry representatives.
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Speaker 2: He had plenty of more meetings with union bosses, and
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Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours and hours with these bureaucrats.
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Speaker 2: And it's not as if we don't need some big ideas.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we are in trouble. We do need massive
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Speaker 1: reforms if we're not going to keep getting poorer and poorer.
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Speaker 1: I mean, already, ever since the pandemic, we've been getting
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Speaker 1: poorer per person. That's the red line. And part of
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Speaker 1: this is because productivity growth is so terrible, and I
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Speaker 1: wonder about that when there's so much red tape and
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Speaker 1: union restrictions which is also, by the way, not allowed
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Speaker 1: to be discussed at this summit. All don't talk about
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Speaker 1: cutting union power. There are other signs that we're in
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Speaker 1: real trouble. I mean, I know there are lots of
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Speaker 1: that's great, but in fact, more than eighty percent of
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Speaker 1: all jobs created by this government in the past two
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Speaker 1: years we're actually just government jobs, not private sector ones.
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Speaker 1: In fact, fifty percent of Australians now rely on the
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Speaker 1: government for their main source of income a pension, a handout,
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Speaker 1: a job whatever. Now it sounds like, you know, we're
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Speaker 1: getting really flabby, really dependent, I mean so lazy and complacent.
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Speaker 1: The Victorian government has now we've been planning to make
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Speaker 1: it a law that people can work two days a
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Speaker 1: week from home with working of course in quote marks
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Speaker 1: and on that particular idiocy, Treasure Charmers suddenly doesn't have
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Speaker 1: an opinion, doesn't dare criticize labor mates.
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Speaker 2: And I'm responsible for our regiame at the Commonwealth level,
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Speaker 2: and i'd invite you to ask them about their regiam
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Speaker 2: in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Now, let me show you something that really does confirm
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Speaker 1: that we're simply people got verre lucky and not very smart.
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Speaker 1: Our luck is that we're sitting on a huge continent
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Speaker 1: with lots of minerals that we didn't put there, and
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Speaker 1: gas and land to grow crops, pure dumb luck. And
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Speaker 1: you just check out our top ten exports. Four of
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Speaker 1: them are from just digging dirt, digging out iron, ore,
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Speaker 1: digging out coal, gold, and so on. And then there's
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Speaker 1: the gas and oil also just simply a pure chance
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Speaker 1: under our feet also from the ground, plus beef and
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Speaker 1: wheat that we grow on it, and of course tourism
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Speaker 1: for all people who want to come and look at
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Speaker 1: this vast country that's made us so lucky, which leaves
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Speaker 1: in this top ten list on the university courses foreign
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Speaker 1: students export, and that's it. There was nothing in that
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Speaker 1: list of top ten exports that involves actually making stuff
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Speaker 1: from all these minerals. No manufacturers or other things that
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Speaker 1: we've created with just our brains and brawn. I mean,
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Speaker 1: ask yourself what household brand of manufacturers have we got
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Speaker 1: these days. I mean, Sweden has got our kir and
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Speaker 1: Holland's got Phillips, and South Korea's got Kia and Samsung,
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Speaker 1: and well we've got what now, innovation really is in
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Speaker 1: the toilet along with research and development. Now I've got
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Speaker 1: video to show a stunning contrast that should tell you
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Speaker 1: what we're up against. When I was a boy, China
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Speaker 1: was dirt poor, it was backward, it was hungry, pathetic.
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Speaker 1: You check now, check what you find in China's Shenzen,
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Speaker 1: for instance, the innovations from street benches that charge your phone,
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Speaker 1: all kinds of robots, payment machines that simply read your palm,
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Speaker 1: or Thomas Kleaner's drones that do everything from deliver shopping
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Speaker 1: to fighting high rise fires, self driving taxis. I mean,
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Speaker 1: do you see anything like this stuff in Australia. We
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Speaker 1: are being overtaken. So yes, there was so much really
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Speaker 1: to talk about for a real summit, that is to
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Speaker 1: give us the kickstart that we desperately need. This summit
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Speaker 1: what a fizzit's already shaping up to be join me
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Speaker 1: is the political panel. Cameron Milner, former chief of staff
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Speaker 1: to Labor leader Bill Shorten and now director of g
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Speaker 1: XO Strategies. And Michael Costa, former New South Wales labor treasurer. Cameron,
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Speaker 1: what happened with this incredibly shrinking economic summit?
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Speaker 3: Well, Albert got to it, didn't he. I mean Jim
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Speaker 3: Chalmers announced what should have been done, which is a
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Speaker 3: big reform, a big thought process to actually set where
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Speaker 3: government policy is going.
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Speaker 1: And Alba ran scared.
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Speaker 3: Alba terrified of a clever treasurer, obviously decided to put the.
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Speaker 1: Ball over it. Put the carpet over it, you five bomb.
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Speaker 3: But the reality is that we should have actually done
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Speaker 3: what Hawk and Keating did with the cord, where Bill
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Speaker 3: Kelty came through with the cord and we have supernovation.
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Speaker 3: We should have done what Michael Costa did in nineteen
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Speaker 3: ninety and wrote a paper about in prise bargaining which
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Speaker 3: actually set up prosperity and growth in our economy. These
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Speaker 3: are the things that labor used to do. It used
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Speaker 3: to do really really well. I think Jim Chalmers wanted
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Speaker 3: to do it, but as an intellectual challenge to Albow.
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Speaker 3: And the thing I think you've got a question to
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Speaker 3: ask and ask yourself is with so many, so much
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Speaker 3: parliamentary power, why is he so impotent in government?
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Speaker 1: Well answer that question, Michael Cosa, what on earth has happened?
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Speaker 4: Well, what's happened is this government is in its second term.
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Speaker 4: It's already had an economic summit and didn't produce any
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Speaker 4: goods in the first term. And look, the bottom line
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Speaker 4: is this government has baked into its economic DNA, you know, taxing,
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Speaker 4: spending and waste, and we're not going to get any
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Speaker 4: reforms out of this governm it. And it's impossible to
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Speaker 4: see how we can increase productivity when you've reregulated the
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Speaker 4: labor market, you've increased impult costs. As you pointed out,
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Speaker 4: you've destroyed our capital formation by introducing taxes like the
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Speaker 4: tax on unrealized capital gains, and you just waste money
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Speaker 4: everywhere on projects like you know, the Future Made in China,
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Speaker 4: the quantum computer. And in addition to all of that,
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Speaker 4: you then hand out money to people that don't need it,
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Speaker 4: people for childcare on half a million dollars, or hex
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Speaker 4: payments for people that are doing courses in you know,
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Speaker 4: liberation theology or something like that. I mean, this is
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Speaker 4: the problem with this country, and this is the problem
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Speaker 4: with this government. It has no agenda.
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Speaker 1: Look, I'm just puzzled, Cameron by this relationship between Albanize
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Speaker 1: and his treasure of Jim Charmers. I mean, as you say,
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Speaker 1: Alberizi seems to have completely smothered Charman's ambitions here. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I've got to say the treasure was, oh no,
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Speaker 1: totally with the Prime Minister. Yeah, is totally right when
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Speaker 1: clearly playing something much much grander. What is it between
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Speaker 1: these two men, Well, I.
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Speaker 5: Mean Chalmers is the challenger. Albo is the dead hand
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Speaker 5: of government.
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Speaker 1: And that's the difference.
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Speaker 3: Albo got there by probably a bit of good luck.
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Speaker 3: Chalmers got there through sheer hard work. And this is
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Speaker 3: the problem for Albow. The problem with is that ninety
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Speaker 3: four seats means that you can actually change a labor leader.
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Speaker 3: You can actually change a labor leader without any fear
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Speaker 3: of going to the next election and losing the way
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Speaker 3: rud Gillard Rudd was. So The problem for Albo is
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Speaker 3: he's actually got time against him, and intellectual giants like
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Speaker 3: Charmers challenge him on a daily basis, and that's why
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Speaker 3: it feels so threatened.
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Speaker 1: I got to say, Cameron, I appreciate your support of
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Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers, but Michael Costa, I am not so convinced
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Speaker 1: that Jim Chalmers loose would give us exactly what we
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Speaker 1: need either.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I absolutely agree, and look, look, look what Cameron's
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Speaker 4: saying is correct. I in the sense that Chalmers is
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Speaker 4: challenging for the top job at some point in the future,
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Speaker 4: and he's trying to lay the groundwork as a visionary.
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Speaker 4: But unfortunately, you know, he's just the comment he just
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Speaker 4: made in the lead up to this segment shows me
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Speaker 4: he's not up to it at the moment. He actually
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Speaker 4: said that Victoria was a separate entity and somehow he
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Speaker 4: is the Comwealth Treasurer had no role in what they
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Speaker 4: did in terms of economic barriers to productivity. So you know,
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Speaker 4: he's got a long way to go before he's in
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Speaker 4: a position to challenge and I think Albo's there for
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Speaker 4: as long as he wants. With that majority, I think,
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Speaker 4: you know, he's got a big base supporting him within
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Speaker 4: the Parliamentary Labor Party.
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Speaker 1: And now Kareron Milner. The government seems to have tacked on.
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Speaker 1: Artificial intelligence is a topic that he's talking about, just
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Speaker 1: you know, being suddenly that's there with only two weeks ago.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, artificial intelligence is going to revolutionize a lot workplaces,
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Speaker 1: am machines doing people's jobs, particularly in things like call centers,
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Speaker 1: speeding up searches for information, all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: The government wants to talk about regulating it or not
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Speaker 1: regulating it. The productivity ignition says, don't do that, you know,
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Speaker 1: let it rip. What should that discussion actually be.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you look at the England and the labor
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Speaker 3: government that Starmer's got, he's actually trying to premove legislation
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Speaker 3: which are basically throw away copyright, throw away the creative
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Speaker 3: ability that you hold on to the thing that you
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Speaker 3: create it as a human. So it's a terrible, terrible outcome.
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Speaker 3: And the product your commissioner was is doubling down on
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Speaker 3: Starmer's idea. And that's the problem, Andrew. The problem is
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Speaker 3: AI in an automated process like a call center, maybe,
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Speaker 3: but you can't paint the Systeine Chapel by numbers. You
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Speaker 3: can't create a Wagner opera on AI unless it's just plagiarized,
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Speaker 3: unless it's just copying someone else's work. And I don't
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Speaker 3: think the tech bros should get access to the creative industries.
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Speaker 3: And I think people have actually got to keep copyright
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Speaker 3: this country. But the things that they create that they
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Speaker 3: own themselves, not give it over to AI for free.
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Speaker 1: Is that an issue? Michael? I mean someone anyone can
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Speaker 1: say to an AI machine, you know, Grock, why don't
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Speaker 1: you write seven hundred and fifty word article exactly like
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bolt does it so brilliantly twice a week in
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Speaker 1: the news court papers. So it just goes and combs
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Speaker 1: my stuff. I get no credit for it. I get
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Speaker 1: no money for it. Some AI application earns some money
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Speaker 1: for someone else. I mean this is fair.
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Speaker 4: Look, Andrew, I think that example is not really where
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Speaker 4: AI is going. It's going into automation of manufacturing and
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Speaker 4: production of high tech industries. And I think that's why
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Speaker 4: we've got to be very careful with AI. I think
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Speaker 4: we've got to regulate it very lightly. Yes, there are
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Speaker 4: copyright issues, and you can handle those through royalty payments
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Speaker 4: and other things associated with that. We just don't want
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Speaker 4: to find ourselves in a position on this that we
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Speaker 4: found in the auto industry. We have the best conditions
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Speaker 4: in the auto industry in the world for workers, but
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Speaker 4: we have no auto industry because we overregulated it. Now
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Speaker 4: we're going to go down this path of overregulating the
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Speaker 4: future and we'll have no future. That's my view on this,
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Speaker 4: and I think the government's going to be very very careful.
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Speaker 4: They don't understand what they're doing with this. Neither do
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Speaker 4: the people that are in the industry at the moment,
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Speaker 4: We've got a five year horizon to try and deal
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Speaker 4: with these problems.
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Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you. Every time the government
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Speaker 1: reaches for a regulation, I shudder. I just think there
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Speaker 1: goes another rope over the economy. I mentioned earlier the government,
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Speaker 1: Victorian government saying it wants a new lord so the
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Speaker 1: certain workers have a right to work two days a
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Speaker 1: week from home. I know this is just scrude politics, Cameron.
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Speaker 1: It's meant to wedge the state liberals and win the
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Speaker 1: massive public service voks. See a rerun of the last
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Speaker 1: federal election. We're going to let you keep working from home,
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Speaker 1: so you're going to housework instead of your real work.
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Speaker 1: But should any government really be passing such laws?
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Speaker 7: Well?
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Speaker 3: No, And it's curious, isn't it that she made a
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Speaker 3: big announcement at the state conferences at Premier Allen, but
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Speaker 3: then had to go the Equal Opportunity Act to try
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Speaker 3: to get it passed through. So let's see how they
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Speaker 3: actually enact this thing in Victoria without federal laws, without
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Speaker 3: federal workplace laws actually coming out of the top. Look,
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Speaker 3: people can work from home, and many of us do
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Speaker 3: but the reality is that if you're a public servant
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Speaker 3: or you're a large corporation requires teamwork and collaboration.
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Speaker 5: Work from home doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't work, and you've got to be in the office
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Speaker 3: and to try to make it Mondays and Fridays or
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Speaker 3: Wednesdays and Thursdays or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Hap to me.
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Speaker 3: No one will actually get any productivity done if it's
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Speaker 3: worked from home two days a week.
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Speaker 1: Andrew it's not.
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Speaker 3: Fair on people like taxpayers who pay for governments to operate,
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Speaker 3: or large corporates who need teams together, and implementing it
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Speaker 3: in Victoria will simply see a flight of capital and workforce.
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Speaker 1: I suspect to other states. Michael Cossa, I do work
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Speaker 1: from home, so there's a declaration, but I have to
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Speaker 1: say that should be up to employers and employees. I
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Speaker 1: think a government should absolutely but out I mean, there
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Speaker 1: is no right to work from home unless the government
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Speaker 1: sort of invents it out of thin air to win votes.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's again my example of the auto industry. You'll
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Speaker 4: give great conditions, but nobody will have a job because
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Speaker 4: nobody will invest in that particular state. And that again
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Speaker 4: comes to the point I made a few minutes ago.
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Speaker 4: I mean Charmers has got to step in. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is a productivity issue for the national economy. You
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Speaker 4: can't carve out one state and say that you have
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Speaker 4: no jurisdiction on it. This is a federal government issue.
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Speaker 4: They need to come down very hard and ensure that
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Speaker 4: any arrangement is consistent with the relationship between the industrial
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Speaker 4: relationshystem and the bargaining system that we have in this
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Speaker 4: country or else it's going to be a disaster.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's just pure stupid politics from a beggart
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Speaker 1: state that has been driven into the ground by that
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Speaker 1: crazy labor government in Victoria. Keery Milner and Michael Costa,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much to you both. I have to
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Speaker 1: say I mentioned AI how it's going to be fantastic
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Speaker 1: for productivity, although it will cost some people their jobs.
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Speaker 1: Here is a bizarre example of exactly that. American reporter
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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta thought it'd be a great idea to go
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Speaker 1: and interview a dead man, a teenager killed in a
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Speaker 1: school shooting but brought to life by AI by his
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Speaker 1: own parents. Would you believe no need for an interview
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Speaker 1: to have a real live human.
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Speaker 5: Joaquin, I would like to know what your solution would
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Speaker 5: be for gun violence? Great question.
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Speaker 9: I believe in a mix of stronger gun control laws,
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Speaker 9: mental health support, and community engagement. We need to create
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Speaker 9: safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure everyone feels
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Speaker 9: seen and heard. It's about building a culture of kindness
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Speaker 9: and understanding. What do you think about that?
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Speaker 5: I think that's a great idea, Joaquin.
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Speaker 1: Replacing even TV guests with AI. I mean, that's a
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Speaker 1: bit freaky and a warning. Very soon AI is going
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Speaker 1: to be so good, better than what a couple of
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Speaker 1: parents were able to do. Just there that you won't
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Speaker 1: know the difference. You will not know what's real on
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Speaker 1: your TV anymore. After the break the latest fake scare
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Speaker 1: on the Great Barrier reef plus, how did this billionaire
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Speaker 1: get so much government money for dud Green's schemes? And
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Speaker 1: how much will we get back? Actually, we'll get to
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Speaker 1: that planet saving grant fed billionaire in a second, but
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Speaker 1: first today. Eighty years ago, America dropped an atomic bomb
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Speaker 1: on Hiroshima, hoping it would end the war with Japan.
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Speaker 1: Three days later dropped another on Nagasaki, and six days
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Speaker 1: later Japan finally did surrender. About one hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: thousand people died just in Hiroshima, so I can certainly
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Speaker 1: understand the grief at the ceremony that city today, fifty
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Speaker 1: thousand people. There lots of delegates from around the world,
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Speaker 1: one hundred countries and regions, am told. But then the
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Speaker 1: Japanese Prime Minister at that ceremony call for an end
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Speaker 1: to nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 8: Leading the international community's efforts for a world without nuclear
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Speaker 8: weapons while adhering to the three non nuclear principles. Is
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Speaker 8: the mission of Japan, which is the only country that
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Speaker 8: has been exposed to atomic bomb explosives.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking weigh on here. I think it's a little
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Speaker 1: too easy, too glib, now to common, to turn Hiroshima
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Speaker 1: into an indictment of America and of nuclear weapons. Now,
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Speaker 1: first of all, of course, no bomb would have been
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Speaker 1: dropped in Japan had that country not started a needless
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Speaker 1: and barbaric war that costs millions and millions of lives. Second,
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Speaker 1: America dropped that bomb hoping to save the lives of
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Speaker 1: its soldiers who were dying in their thousands fighting fanatical
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Speaker 1: Japanese soldiers and airmen who were actually launching Kanakazi attacks
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Speaker 1: on American ships. In fact, cutting the war short also
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Speaker 1: saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese lives and possibly the
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Speaker 1: lives of many of the three hundred thousand Allied prisoners
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Speaker 1: of war. Thirdly, of course, the nuclear bomb. Yes, it
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Speaker 1: is an awful weapon. Awful, but America's firebombing of Japanese
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Speaker 1: cities killed many more people. Sixty Japanese cities were largely
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Speaker 1: burned down before those bombs were dropped, and just one
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Speaker 1: rate on Tokyo killed one hundred thousand people. So what
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Speaker 1: exactly is the difference here? Different weapons, but still dead people.
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Speaker 1: And lastly, since the bombing of Hiroshima and Tokio and Nagasaki,
20:51
Speaker 1: the fear of the atomic bomb has helped stop another
20:55
Speaker 1: world war for eighty years now and counting. And I
20:59
Speaker 1: have to ask comany lives that has saved? Join me
21:03
Speaker 1: is Ron dinas In, chief of The Spectator Australia, the
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Speaker 1: host of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am and host
21:08
Speaker 1: of his own show on Fridays at seven pm. Roan,
21:12
Speaker 1: what a busy man you are, But listen, it might
21:15
Speaker 1: not have actually to be Frank, to be honest, it
21:19
Speaker 1: may not have been those bombs, or not those bombs alone.
21:23
Speaker 1: That stopped the war because Russia declared war on Japan
21:26
Speaker 1: two days after Hiroshima, and that was actually quite serious.
21:30
Speaker 1: And a year after the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey
21:33
Speaker 1: figured that Japan would have had to surrender within another
21:35
Speaker 1: four months because running out of everything. But that's been
21:38
Speaker 1: wise after the event. What do you make of the
21:41
Speaker 1: dropping of the bomb?
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Speaker 6: Andrew I thought you summed up the arguments very perfectly.
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Speaker 6: The one thing that you didn't mention is that probably
21:50
Speaker 6: what drove the Emperor of Japan to surrender was yes,
21:54
Speaker 6: the number of people killed in the horror, but above
21:58
Speaker 6: all was the recognition that Japan could not possibly win
22:03
Speaker 6: despite all the barbarity, despite the disgraceful attack on Pearl Harbor,
22:08
Speaker 6: the surprise attack, the treatment of the POW's, the most.
22:13
Speaker 5: Grotesque and evil.
22:18
Speaker 6: Perpetrations upon Australians, Americans and others, the Emperor of Japan
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Speaker 6: recognized that the overwhelming technological superiority of America meant they
22:28
Speaker 6: could never ever win. And it was that realization, you
22:32
Speaker 6: can never ever win, doesn't matter how barbaric we are
22:35
Speaker 6: towards you, you have the superior technology to defeat us.
22:38
Speaker 6: That's what ended the war. That's what ended the Second
22:42
Speaker 6: World War in terms of the Pacific. Now, the morality
22:45
Speaker 6: is very very clear. If somebody attacks you, you have
22:48
Speaker 6: a right to self defense. Equally, if you have superior
22:52
Speaker 6: technology and someone is stupid enough to take you on,
22:56
Speaker 6: and you recognize that, you have a choice of either.
22:59
Speaker 6: As you mention, Andrew, millions or hundreds of thousands of
23:04
Speaker 6: troops Western Allied troops would have died in any kind
23:07
Speaker 6: of ground invasion of Japan. The Japanese themselves suicide, the
23:12
Speaker 6: culture of Kamikazi, the myths, and you know, many allies,
23:18
Speaker 6: you know, many Japanese would not have known, would have
23:21
Speaker 6: believed the Emperor's propaganda that they were up against some
23:24
Speaker 6: kind of devils or whatever. So the ability to finish
23:28
Speaker 6: the war with technology to save lives was absolutely critical. Now, Andrew,
23:34
Speaker 6: there are very very strong parallels and I don't know
23:36
Speaker 6: if you want to talk about them, but with what
23:38
Speaker 6: is happening in Gaza at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Spot on, spot on, absolutely, Rowan, you are so correct.
23:45
Speaker 1: I mean, if you start a war, you can't start complaining.
23:49
Speaker 1: If you're getting killed by people hitting back, fighting for
23:53
Speaker 1: their existence, I must say, you know, Harry Truman the
23:56
Speaker 1: US president who dropped the bomb and said, oh, we
23:59
Speaker 1: would have saved the lives there of a quarter of
24:02
Speaker 1: a million US servicemen. In fact, the army people were
24:05
Speaker 1: saying it'd be more like forty to fifty thousand, but
24:08
Speaker 1: still the argument exists. Now here's something interesting Rome. A
24:14
Speaker 1: US House of Representatives committee has now issued subpoenas the
24:17
Speaker 1: force former US President Bill Clinton to give evidence about
24:22
Speaker 1: his deals with pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, now dead apparently
24:26
Speaker 1: from suicide, and asking what Bill Clinton knew of Epstein's
24:31
Speaker 1: sex trafficking, what did he see? What did he know?
24:34
Speaker 1: Clinton's most Hillarys also subpoened fair enough.
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Speaker 5: This is going to be fascinating to watch.
24:42
Speaker 6: I think I can hear the words I don't recall,
24:45
Speaker 6: I don't recall, I don't recall coming up many many times,
24:49
Speaker 6: or the latest one, which is my lawyers have advised
24:52
Speaker 6: me that in circumstances such as these, it is best
24:55
Speaker 6: to plead the Fifth Amendment for fear of incriminating myself.
24:59
Speaker 5: I can suspect we're going to hear an awful lot
25:01
Speaker 5: of that.
25:03
Speaker 6: I suspect that Clinton has spent so long preparing for
25:10
Speaker 6: this that there will won't be much light shed, but
25:14
Speaker 6: the light that is shed will come from the evasiveness
25:17
Speaker 6: of what Clinton has to say.
25:19
Speaker 5: I mean, let's not forget. What staggers me about this
25:22
Speaker 5: whole thing is Bill Clinton.
25:27
Speaker 6: Behaved in the most disgraceful and debauched manner in the
25:31
Speaker 6: White House, lied to.
25:34
Speaker 5: The American people about it repeatedly.
25:37
Speaker 6: It's seven o'clock in the evening, so people having dinners
25:39
Speaker 6: who won't go into the sort of details, but if
25:42
Speaker 6: you're familiar with them, they grotesque. And yet Bill Clinton
25:47
Speaker 6: and then Hillary Clinton managed to know almost achieve the
25:52
Speaker 6: presidency the idea that somehow the great devil was Jeffrey
25:58
Speaker 6: Epstein show. But there are many others high up in
26:01
Speaker 6: American politics, and they do appear to cluster around the
26:06
Speaker 6: Democratic Party who have an awful lot to answer for.
26:09
Speaker 1: I would argue, well, I think this is I don't
26:13
Speaker 1: know whether there's a smoking gun here, but you know,
26:17
Speaker 1: obviously this is good news for Donald Trump because he's
26:21
Speaker 1: got in a fair bit of trouble saying we're going
26:22
Speaker 1: to release all the files and all the information you know,
26:25
Speaker 1: and then saying, oh, there's some things you shouldn't know,
26:27
Speaker 1: and you know, people shouldn't think there's a conspiracy, etc.
26:31
Speaker 1: It's all blown up in his face and hurt him
26:33
Speaker 1: in the polls. To look at the latest polls at
26:36
Speaker 1: any rate. I mentioned on Monday Rowan a report that's
26:40
Speaker 1: been virtually ignored him which has really surprised me. It's
26:43
Speaker 1: a report by five top climate experts, and I mean
26:46
Speaker 1: really top climate experts commissioned by the US Department of
26:50
Speaker 1: Energy wrote a report last week saying global warming. Yes,
26:54
Speaker 1: it is a problem, but the warming we've seen is
26:56
Speaker 1: less than predicted. There hasn't been the predicted climate task freeze.
27:00
Speaker 1: There are benefits from warming, like more plant growth, more crops,
27:04
Speaker 1: and in conclusion, many plans to cut emissions are not
27:09
Speaker 1: worth the cost. What should this report tell us and
27:13
Speaker 1: tell the liberals especially.
27:15
Speaker 6: Well, it tells us everything anyone with eyes in their
27:19
Speaker 6: head and any kind of sensitivity in their fingertips in
27:24
Speaker 6: Australia already knows unless they're blinded by ideology. Just ask
27:28
Speaker 6: the kangaroos up in Queensland this week how it's going
27:30
Speaker 6: with global warming as they prance around in the snow.
27:35
Speaker 6: The Liberal Party better wake up, really, really quickly.
27:38
Speaker 5: This report is accurate it's spot on.
27:41
Speaker 6: Of course, it's being ignored by the mainstream media because
27:43
Speaker 6: they'd rather listen to idiots like Anthony Antonio Guterus going
27:47
Speaker 6: the global.
27:48
Speaker 5: Boiling era hazard drived and all.
27:51
Speaker 6: That scare mongering stuff. Ordinary Australians every day Australians.
27:55
Speaker 5: Have woken up that this is a massive scam.
27:58
Speaker 6: Billionaires getting wealthy out of green energy deals, the government
28:04
Speaker 6: clueless about what it's doing, destroying farmland across Australia, driving
28:08
Speaker 6: up electricity prices like you can't believe, and suddenly waking
28:11
Speaker 6: up to the fact that we all knew and have
28:12
Speaker 6: all known for how many how many years have we
28:15
Speaker 6: been saying and have you been saying, Andrew.
28:18
Speaker 5: Unaffordable? I don't think you can afford it? Oh no,
28:21
Speaker 5: they's suddenly gone, Oh look.
28:24
Speaker 1: It's just twenty years run. I reckon, We've been saying
28:27
Speaker 1: this for twenty years exactly.
28:29
Speaker 5: I really do, I really do.
28:30
Speaker 1: And finally we've got to wake this long for a
28:33
Speaker 1: report that says, oh yeah, that's actually quite correct. It's
28:37
Speaker 1: not worthy here for Rowan Dean honestly experts, experts, experts.
28:42
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for your time, mate, because we're going
28:44
Speaker 1: to pick up on something you just said. After the break,
28:48
Speaker 1: after the break, we are going to have a look
28:50
Speaker 1: at that billionaire that's pocketed well tens of millions of
28:55
Speaker 1: dollars of your money thanks to gullible governments. That think
28:59
Speaker 1: is on a hot thing that turned out to be
29:01
Speaker 1: a big dud. Now it just worked it out. It's
29:07
Speaker 1: actually twenty five years since I started warning that the
29:11
Speaker 1: global warming scare is being grossly exaggerated, and I'm betting
29:15
Speaker 1: a lot more astrons and are getting very suspicious of
29:18
Speaker 1: the scaremongers. I mean, you take today shock headlines. Oh no,
29:23
Speaker 1: the Great Barrier Reef suffers the worst coral decline on record.
29:29
Speaker 1: This Great Barrier Reef coral cover decline shows ecosystem under
29:33
Speaker 1: stress because of you know, global warming. But you readout
29:37
Speaker 1: on and you will find coral cover has actually gone
29:40
Speaker 1: back simply to its long term average. In fact, better
29:43
Speaker 1: than that. The last five years of coral cover on
29:47
Speaker 1: the reef have been the best in forty years of
29:50
Speaker 1: monitory where's the panic? And that is after years and
29:55
Speaker 1: years of scares about the reef dying. Yet this scare
30:00
Speaker 1: mongering has created a whole new industry green carpetbaggers, people
30:05
Speaker 1: claiming that can save us from this global warming terror, provided,
30:08
Speaker 1: of course, the government gives them money. Now, one such
30:13
Speaker 1: person Australin iron or billionaire Andrew Forrest, who's got excitingly famous,
30:19
Speaker 1: flatteringly famous as the man who saved the planet from
30:23
Speaker 1: global warming thanks to his big idea green hydrogen, an
30:27
Speaker 1: explosive gas made by running massive amounts of electricity from
30:31
Speaker 1: wind and solar power through water. And Forrest said, we'd
30:34
Speaker 1: need to do this to save the planet and ourselves.
30:39
Speaker 10: Why it's called lethal humidity. Millions of people will die.
30:45
Speaker 10: That's because the temperature is risen to a point that humidity,
30:49
Speaker 10: which is what's going to kid you, is now going
30:52
Speaker 10: through the roof.
30:54
Speaker 1: Strangely, people actually took this bloke seriously. In fact, this
30:58
Speaker 1: government believes so fervently in Forest's green hydrogen dream. You
31:03
Speaker 1: know that this miracle gas could replace petrol, natural gas, coal,
31:07
Speaker 1: almost anything.
31:09
Speaker 10: Green hydrogen the purest source of energy in the world
31:13
Speaker 10: and one that could replace up to three quarters of
31:17
Speaker 10: global emissions.
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Speaker 1: And this government was so convinced that it created a
31:21
Speaker 1: two billion dollar fund to get green hydrogen projects started.
31:26
Speaker 6: Now, green hydrogen future is fundamental to that clean energy future.
31:31
Speaker 7: The green hydrogen sector has an enormous potential in this country.
31:37
Speaker 1: And of course Forrest has got a big slice of
31:40
Speaker 1: government handouts for this stuff except whoops. Has since found
31:45
Speaker 1: that green hydrogen is so hard and expensive to make
31:49
Speaker 1: and to transport and to use that there's almost no
31:52
Speaker 1: demand for it. He's had to cancel or stall almost
31:55
Speaker 1: every single one of his green hydrogen schemes. Albody's the
32:00
Speaker 1: government saying, but what about the money we gave you? Well,
32:05
Speaker 1: what about it? Paul Garvey is one of two reporters
32:08
Speaker 1: on the Australian who in today's paper have worked out
32:11
Speaker 1: just how many grants Forrest has got, both from this
32:14
Speaker 1: government and from the gullible Morrison government before it, and
32:17
Speaker 1: whether we taxpayers are going to get them back. Paul
32:21
Speaker 1: Garvey joins me, Now, Paul, what a great read in
32:24
Speaker 1: today's paper. How many grants and how much money did
32:28
Speaker 1: Andrew Forest get from this government the one before it.
32:34
Speaker 11: Yeah, So we found that in total, Andrew Forrest and
32:38
Speaker 11: Fordescue had received commitments and incentives and other tax breaks
32:43
Speaker 11: and the like of one hundred and ninety million dollars
32:46
Speaker 11: since twenty nineteen that's just in Australia alone. Of that,
32:51
Speaker 11: I think it was around one hundred and fifteen million
32:53
Speaker 11: had actually gone into Fordescue. The rest were future commitments
32:56
Speaker 11: that were promised in the event that Fordescue met IT milestones.
33:00
Speaker 11: But yeah, so almost tw hundred million dollars in total
33:04
Speaker 11: across states and federal governments in Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia.
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Speaker 1: That is astonishing for green hydrogen schemes that haven't been
33:18
Speaker 1: proved to work at scale anywhere in the world. What
33:21
Speaker 1: have we got for that astonishing amount of money.
33:26
Speaker 11: Look, we've got an expensive lesson in physics and economics
33:30
Speaker 11: for one, But there are some physical q things to
33:33
Speaker 11: show for this. There's some hydrogen powered buses running around
33:37
Speaker 11: one of Fortescue's mind starts up in the pilbro There
33:40
Speaker 11: was a report done on a potential project in Queensland
33:45
Speaker 11: at Gibson Island. You can find that ninety one page
33:48
Speaker 11: pdf on the internet that cost taxpayers almost fourteen million dollars.
33:54
Speaker 11: The biggest project was the electoralizer projects in Queensland, which
33:59
Speaker 11: got a lot of support from both the federal governments
34:02
Speaker 11: and from the Queensland government. The Palichet government that is
34:07
Speaker 11: basically dead and buried. Now that was around, you know,
34:10
Speaker 11: one hundred million dollars plus of commitments that were made
34:13
Speaker 11: to that one particular project. And I mean you've got
34:16
Speaker 11: in FeNiS to forest. You've got to say that he
34:18
Speaker 11: put in. Befodescu put in substantially more than those amounts
34:21
Speaker 11: in trying to pursue those projects. But certainly taxpayers it
34:25
Speaker 11: did a fair bit of lifting on those as well.
34:29
Speaker 1: Oh and you're not even including some infrastructure commitments by government,
34:32
Speaker 1: like a billion dollar water pipeline. And I mean, it's
34:36
Speaker 1: just so astonishing to me. Why you know, all these
34:40
Speaker 1: experts telling us so this is going to work and
34:42
Speaker 1: spending our money like drunken sailors. How many of his
34:45
Speaker 1: screen hundred projects have actually flopped.
34:48
Speaker 11: Now it's getting harder to find the ones that haven't flopped.
34:55
Speaker 11: It seems like that this industry really has run out
34:57
Speaker 11: of a lot of puff. There's been a huge amount
35:00
Speaker 11: of imptus for it. It was quite a compelling sales
35:03
Speaker 11: pitch to governments around the world. There was a lot
35:06
Speaker 11: of excitement in this space having someone like Andrew Forrest
35:09
Speaker 11: with such a long track record of corporate success added
35:14
Speaker 11: a layer of I guess credibility here that perhaps overshadowed some.
35:19
Speaker 4: Of the.
35:22
Speaker 11: Very well warranted skepticism that was out there. I mean,
35:24
Speaker 11: you didn't have to look far at this time to
35:26
Speaker 11: find people who were saying, look, physics tells us that
35:29
Speaker 11: this is just going to be a really difficult, if
35:31
Speaker 11: not impossible proposition to pull off. Here, this sounds and
35:35
Speaker 11: looks chronically inefficient. Let's just generate this renewable power and
35:40
Speaker 11: use it directly at the source or for other purposes
35:42
Speaker 11: rather than going through this really intense, inefficient process of
35:46
Speaker 11: making hydrogen. And so really sort of the reality has
35:50
Speaker 11: crept up in that sector in a big way. The
35:52
Speaker 11: sums of money required getting harder and harder to secure
35:56
Speaker 11: and interesting. One international expert I was talking to about
36:00
Speaker 11: this made the point that governments around the world are
36:03
Speaker 11: becoming a little bit more prudent in the way they
36:05
Speaker 11: manage their money. Here you've got people like President Trump
36:09
Speaker 11: demanding tens hundreds of billions of dollars go towards defense instead.
36:13
Speaker 11: Those sorts of demands, those sorts of priorities, tend to
36:16
Speaker 11: focus the mind and have made it harder for proponents
36:20
Speaker 11: of these projects to really find that same level of
36:22
Speaker 11: government support.
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Speaker 1: Paul Garvey. The whole thing is an astonishing indictment of
36:29
Speaker 1: the experts. But thank you so much for your time,
36:32
Speaker 1: Paul Garvid. Great peace today. I have to say that
36:36
Speaker 1: Andrew Forress said it'll think about giving some of the
36:39
Speaker 1: money back on two of the projects. We shall see
36:42
Speaker 1: how much you'll actually give up. The whole thing's a disgrace, scandal.
36:48
Speaker 1: After the break as Anthony Albnez he plans to do
36:51
Speaker 1: something dumb about Gaza, will show you the truth about
36:54
Speaker 1: this photo I suppose starving Palestinians scramming for food. Got
37:01
Speaker 1: to show you something that really says it all about
37:03
Speaker 1: this very fashionable hatred of Jewish Israel. This is Marlene Engelhorn.
37:09
Speaker 1: She inherited more than forty million dollars from her grandmother
37:13
Speaker 1: from a German industrial dynasty that once profited for making
37:18
Speaker 1: cyclon B That's the gas that was used in Nazi
37:21
Speaker 1: death camps to kill Jews. So you would think she
37:26
Speaker 1: would think better of actually going and now joining other
37:31
Speaker 1: anti Israel activists on the latest convoy of Gaza to
37:35
Speaker 1: demonize Israel. I mean, you really couldn't make this up.
37:38
Speaker 1: Joining me a two communications consultants, German Tornini of Skarn
37:42
Speaker 1: News Regular and Christy Mactsweeney who's worked for Coalition prime
37:45
Speaker 1: ministers and premiers. I mean, Gemma, as a communicator, I
37:49
Speaker 1: don't need to be a communications expert like you two ladies.
37:52
Speaker 1: But how toned deare for this woman to go on
37:55
Speaker 1: this flotilla.
37:56
Speaker 7: Well, I don't think she cares, Andrew. Clearly she doesn't care.
37:59
Speaker 7: She she has the money and goodness, I'm just going
38:04
Speaker 7: to bite my tongue there. She has the money to
38:06
Speaker 7: do whatever she wants to do, and people like this,
38:08
Speaker 7: that's the whole point. People like that, people like Greta
38:11
Speaker 7: Tunberg and her posse of morons, They don't actually care
38:13
Speaker 7: what their reputation may or may not be amongst the
38:18
Speaker 7: general public, because well, in Tunberg's case, she was venerated
38:21
Speaker 7: for doing nothing other than you know, being a petulant schoolgirl,
38:24
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, she's, you know, a climate expert.
38:27
Speaker 7: Now climate's boring, so she's now a foreign policy Middle
38:31
Speaker 7: Eastern expert.
38:32
Speaker 12: This is just another case of that, Andrew.
38:33
Speaker 7: I mean, the reading about the family history of this
38:37
Speaker 7: woman is one thing, and she can't help the family
38:40
Speaker 7: she's born into. And I think that's a really sensible
38:42
Speaker 7: approach to take for anyone. But certainly it's a really
38:47
Speaker 7: it kind of rights itself. I just want to I
38:49
Speaker 7: want to leave it there. It sort of writes itself.
38:50
Speaker 7: People can make their own minds up and read about
38:52
Speaker 7: her background and her family background and sort of, you know,
38:56
Speaker 7: put that up against what she's now doing and make
38:59
Speaker 7: their own mind up.
39:02
Speaker 1: Christie McSweeney, you would advise her, wouldn't you, as the
39:06
Speaker 1: flotilla organizer, A lady. I know you mean well from
39:11
Speaker 1: their point of view. I know you mean well, but
39:13
Speaker 1: better not come on this boat.
39:17
Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 13: I've taken on a lot of really wealthy people as clients, Andrew.
39:21
Speaker 13: Some of them have some very very good ideas and
39:23
Speaker 13: some of them don't. And I probably wouldn't take her
39:26
Speaker 13: on as a client, So my advice to her would
39:29
Speaker 13: be futile. That's the wonderful thing about being self employed.
39:32
Speaker 13: You get to choose your own values and in terms
39:35
Speaker 13: of working with people that align with what you believe
39:39
Speaker 13: in or the work that you want to do. I
39:41
Speaker 13: think given her family background, and as Jemma said, people
39:44
Speaker 13: can read into it and make their own decisions. And
39:47
Speaker 13: I'm going to echo Jemmy's comments about bing my tongues
39:50
Speaker 13: lightly and people can learn about her history. She is
39:55
Speaker 13: in the position where she can use her voice to
39:58
Speaker 13: make very starts aid powerful comments. Instead, she's reduced this
40:05
Speaker 13: to yet again social media activism. I've seen those Instagram
40:09
Speaker 13: videos that you've just showed up there on the screen.
40:12
Speaker 13: I actually think it's really deplorable that people are reducing
40:15
Speaker 13: this conflict in Gaza to social media trends and TikTok
40:20
Speaker 13: trends set to music. That just demonstrates to me the
40:25
Speaker 13: level of critical thought and the level of seriousness that
40:30
Speaker 13: people who are jumping on an activist bandwagon because it
40:34
Speaker 13: happens to be popular in certain circles in arts, in culture,
40:39
Speaker 13: you know, in celebrities circles.
40:41
Speaker 12: And this is really another one completelyformative.
40:44
Speaker 13: Really reduces the seriousness.
40:48
Speaker 1: But what are they actually going on? I'll give it
40:51
Speaker 1: another example of medium manipulation I gave on earlier this
40:55
Speaker 1: this week. This time has been revealed by Germany's Built magazine.
40:59
Speaker 1: You look at this photo of apparently starving people in
41:02
Speaker 1: Gaza desperately reaching out for food. There's also video of
41:06
Speaker 1: that same sad scene, except a shot of the photographer
41:11
Speaker 1: who took that pic show they are posing for him.
41:15
Speaker 1: They're not reaching out for food, not yet that the
41:17
Speaker 1: food came later. That photo, like the misleading picture I
41:22
Speaker 1: showed last night of an allegedly starving boy who had
41:25
Speaker 1: in fact, in fact I had spin a biffit and
41:28
Speaker 1: other pre existing conditions and a plump brother next to him,
41:33
Speaker 1: was put out by the same anti Israel Turkish news
41:35
Speaker 1: agency using a photographer from US run Gaza. I mean, Jemma,
41:41
Speaker 1: isn't the media here just too gullible about how a
41:45
Speaker 1: terrorist run organizer area can actually manipulate the imagery.
41:52
Speaker 7: I think what we're talking about here, Andrew, is an
41:54
Speaker 7: historic issue with most of the media in relation to
41:58
Speaker 7: the state of Israel.
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Speaker 12: It's just committing my modern day blood libels.
42:02
Speaker 7: And I used an example in my weekend column in
42:05
Speaker 7: The Australian about an image that went viral on social
42:08
Speaker 7: media and was picked up by many mainstream media. CNN
42:11
Speaker 7: included of a very distressing image of a bunch of
42:16
Speaker 7: young women, young girls actually, who were deceased, and the
42:19
Speaker 7: headline that went with that image said, you know, starving
42:22
Speaker 7: girls starved to death in Gaza. That was in fact
42:25
Speaker 7: a picture of young girls who were killed by the
42:27
Speaker 7: Asad regime during a chemical weapons attack in Damascus that
42:32
Speaker 7: had been originally published by National Geographic. Now this is
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Speaker 7: just one example of dozens. In the context of the
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Speaker 7: current situation in the Middle East, it's important for people
42:42
Speaker 7: to remember that many things can be true in tension
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Speaker 7: at the same time.
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Speaker 12: Today I read a statistic out of the.
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Speaker 7: United Nations where it admitted that ninety percent of its
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Speaker 7: humanitarian aid had been looted by either very hungry Palestinians
42:56
Speaker 7: or ghazen sorry or hummus or garzen gangs.
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Speaker 12: That's the first thing.
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Speaker 7: There is a significant issue with access to aid, the
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Speaker 7: aid that has been provided by the United Nations, that
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Speaker 7: this government refuses to talk about. The second thing that
43:10
Speaker 7: is also true at the same time is that the
43:12
Speaker 7: media has been allowing itself to be manipulated and telling
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Speaker 7: half truths about the situation.
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Speaker 12: In the Middle East. And the third thing I should
43:22
Speaker 12: say is that when.
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Speaker 7: It comes to playing the media game and publicity and
43:28
Speaker 7: having a strategy to influence the HMAS, terrorists are playing
43:33
Speaker 7: an absolute blinder and we who sit here on the
43:37
Speaker 7: other side of the world in our safety, knowing nothing
43:39
Speaker 7: about existential threat. You know, the biggest threat most of
43:42
Speaker 7: us faces getting hit by a car if we text
43:45
Speaker 7: while crossing the road. I've been in Israel many times,
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Speaker 7: as you know, Andrew. I've been in bombshelters, I've been
43:50
Speaker 7: in the Gaza envelope, and I know exactly what Israelis
43:54
Speaker 7: feel like knowing that they are surrounded by people who
43:56
Speaker 7: want to wipe them off the planet simply because they
43:59
Speaker 7: are the Jewish state. So I don't think it's as
44:01
Speaker 7: simple as there's one fake photo, although that's a really
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Speaker 7: really critical part of the mix that is constantly ignored.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, it's a willingness to believe it
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Speaker 1: a particular story and being totally gullible as a result.
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Speaker 1: To the point of course, Chrissy, where the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: is obviously working towards declaring a recognizing a Palaestinian state,
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Speaker 1: even though one half of the Palestinian territory is run
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Speaker 1: by Hamas and the other half is run by a
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Speaker 1: kleptomaniac who's in the twentieth year of a four year
44:38
Speaker 1: term and doesn't believe in the existence of Israel either
44:41
Speaker 1: and thinks that Hitler didn't kill the Jews racist but
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Speaker 1: because Jews were money lenders.
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Speaker 12: I mean seriously, yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 13: Look, our government has used incremental language over the last
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Speaker 13: few months, and part of that is one not rebuking
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Speaker 13: the Allen government here in Melbourne when we saw those
45:04
Speaker 13: terrible protests, terrible outside the MGV, protesting against a really
45:11
Speaker 13: prominent Jewish family who have done so much for the
45:14
Speaker 13: city of Melbourne in healthcare, in arts and culture, the
45:17
Speaker 13: Gandel family. It is absolutely disgraceful that they were not
45:21
Speaker 13: rebuked federally by all their colleagues in federal labor. And
45:26
Speaker 13: put that together with the previous activities that we have.
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Speaker 12: Been allowed to.
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Speaker 13: Go in Melbourne, marching in the streets and so forth,
45:37
Speaker 13: these ongoing protest government seemingly turning a blind eye to
45:42
Speaker 13: Semitic activity until it's escalated to the point of what
45:46
Speaker 13: we saw outside the NGV, and that together with the
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Speaker 13: government's incremental language around recognizing a Palestinian state, and they're
45:56
Speaker 13: hiding behind that. The Tuesday solution has always been the
46:01
Speaker 13: policy of successive governments of both sides of politics. But
46:05
Speaker 13: there's ways that you can talk about that two state solution,
46:10
Speaker 13: and the language is escalated certainly around well, we don't
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Speaker 13: need her master give back the hostages. We don't need
46:17
Speaker 13: them to discrete conditions or demands. It is about recognizing
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Speaker 13: the state of Palestine. And there is no way that
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Speaker 13: ed Hu Sick despite being dumped from cabinet and again
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Speaker 13: hiding behind this, I can do what I like. I'm
46:30
Speaker 13: not bound by cognit cabinet confidentiality. There is no way
46:34
Speaker 13: that such a critical former front bencher and a highly
46:38
Speaker 13: identifiable labor and pay would be out there protesting across
46:42
Speaker 13: Sydney Harbor Bridge on the weekend if the Prime Minister
46:45
Speaker 13: had not expressed internally that this was the policy decision
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Speaker 13: that he was comfortable with, and Penny Wong would not
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Speaker 13: have spoken as she did today.
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Speaker 12: What are they going to recognize, Andrew?
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Speaker 7: Are they going to recognize the state where women don't
46:59
Speaker 7: have the same rights as men, with gays and minorities
47:02
Speaker 7: don't have any rights at all, where if you're a
47:04
Speaker 7: woman and you want to get divorced, you.
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Speaker 12: Have to pay for the privilege.
47:07
Speaker 7: Where you're a child, you are brought up on a
47:09
Speaker 7: dialogue and on an educational curriculum that says that Jews
47:14
Speaker 7: are the enemy, where they have a pay for sleigh
47:17
Speaker 7: policy where if you are a martyr and you blow
47:20
Speaker 7: up a bunch of Jews, your family gets a pension
47:23
Speaker 7: for life.
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Speaker 12: They're going to recognize this, and it is a stain
47:26
Speaker 12: on our nation.
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Speaker 7: Every Israeli I know what's peace. Every Israeli I know
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Speaker 7: what's a two state solutions.
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Speaker 1: Not like that is I'm not going to let her
47:34
Speaker 1: must take this state over. What's he going to do?
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Speaker 5: What a rubbish thing to say is if he's got anything.
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Speaker 12: The thing about it is this and how it's cowardly.
47:45
Speaker 12: It's cowardly.
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Speaker 13: It is cowardly and politically motivated.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much to both. I really appreciate one
47:59
Speaker 1: last thing. One thing this government does do brilliantly is
48:03
Speaker 1: look after the graves of our falland soldiers overseas. I
48:07
Speaker 1: was at Suda Bay and Creete a couple of weeks ago,
48:10
Speaker 1: saw again another grave, beautifully maintained. I've seen this in Gallipoli,
48:14
Speaker 1: I've seen this elsewhere. I've even seen it behind a
48:17
Speaker 1: church in Holland near where my aunt, one of my
48:19
Speaker 1: aunts lives. That's coming of a wargraves foundation. Is brilliantly
48:23
Speaker 1: twenty three thousand grave sites in the one hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty countries. I think that's marvelous. If only we looked
48:30
Speaker 1: after more of our traditions like we do that. But
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Speaker 1: I give those guys the big thumbs up. It was
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Speaker 1: so moving. That's it for me. Coming up next, Sharry
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Speaker 1: markson good Night