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Working for Britney, Sugar Baby Tips and The Worst Breakup with Scott Nathan · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Those thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: You know the ones I mean.
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  Speaker 3: The doesn't matter, it's nothing thoughts that become kind of something,
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  Speaker 3: This could be the start of something better.
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  Speaker 5: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: When you're on the road, when you're on the go,
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  Speaker 2: Fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in,
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  Speaker 2: listen up.
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  Speaker 4: Woof, woof.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 4: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. We'll have a real fun,
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  Speaker 2: juicy one to get your mind off of everything that's
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  Speaker 2: going on in the world. So let's get into the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that doesn't really matter. First of all, I'm selling
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  Speaker 2: my merch. You guys have a Juicy Scoop tank on
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  Speaker 2: today and everything is at heathermcdonald.net and I got my
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop slides. If you go to my reels on Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: I did an unboxing, which was really fun. It was
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  Speaker 2: my first collab with Chanel. No, just kidding. They're much
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  Speaker 2: less expensive and they're Juicy Scoop and they're comfortable and fun. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: everything is there. That's also where you go to join
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  Speaker 2: my Patreon. And let's get into all the crazy fun
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  Speaker 2: stuff that's been happening. First of all, I was lucky
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  Speaker 2: enough to go to the USC game on Saturday with Peter.
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  Speaker 2: Some friends of ours invited us. We went to a
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  Speaker 2: fun tailgate and it was parents weekend. They played U
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  Speaker 2: of A. It was a very exciting game. And I
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  Speaker 2: was in great seats with a friend of mine that
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  Speaker 2: I knew from college and he has got a beautiful booth.
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  Speaker 2: And so we were there, not a booth, but like
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  Speaker 2: a box. It's anyway, very nice. And so I see
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  Speaker 2: this today on page six that Will Ferrell was also
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  Speaker 2: there and they, you know, he made page six and
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  Speaker 2: he was DJing his son's fraternity party, which I guess,
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  Speaker 2: you know, his son did get in. Mine did not.
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  Speaker 2: We see where Will Ferrell is. We see where Heather
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  Speaker 2: McDonald is when, Drake is at ASU, but whatever. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: is fine. And I was just doing a little selfie
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  Speaker 2: of myself, and then this happened, and I got so excited.
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  Speaker 2: A Trojan Family Weekend Special.
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  Speaker 4: Actor, producer, and USC alumnus, O'Shea Dixon Jr.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was Will Ferrell.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was Heather and.
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  Speaker 3: Joel.
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  Speaker 2: Trojan Family! It's about that. Well, so there you go.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe one day, one day, maybe one day I'll
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  Speaker 2: give the commencement speech like Will. Maybe one day I'll
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  Speaker 2: be announced at the school. In the meantime, we had
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  Speaker 2: a really fun time. So it was a very nice, good,
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  Speaker 2: fun time for us. Okay, I want to do a
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  Speaker 2: little follow up on the Victoria Beckham, David Beckham situation
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  Speaker 2: with their Netflix show, which a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: really enjoying. And the fact that she brought up that
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  Speaker 2: there was these rumors, these tabloids rumors about this assistant
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  Speaker 2: that David had. And that was a really hard time
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  Speaker 2: in their marriage. But they don't ever really say it
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  Speaker 2: was anything more than rumors. We don't know. And Sarah
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  Speaker 2: and I talked about like, well, maybe they don't want
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  Speaker 2: to confirm it or have it come up. Well, of course,
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  Speaker 2: in this day and age of Internet world. They found
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  Speaker 2: the girl. She is 46. She is a yoga instructor,
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  Speaker 2: owns her own yoga place. And people found her. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: most people have an Instagram. Most people, if they have
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  Speaker 2: any kind of business, make it public. And she was
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  Speaker 2: getting a bunch of hate and comments. And she commented like,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. Thank you for the support. Like, I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine. And that is exactly what I thought. Like,
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  Speaker 2: of course, it's going to come up. Of course, people
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  Speaker 2: are going to take it upon themselves to either reach
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  Speaker 2: out to her in a really negative way or write
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  Speaker 2: something under her yoga pose or whatever. But also what
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  Speaker 2: was weird is their daughter-in-law, Nicola, who's married to Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: And Nicola and Victoria has supposedly had some issues in
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  Speaker 2: their mother-in-law, daughter-in-law relationship. And she posted, and she's like
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  Speaker 2: a really wealthy, she comes from a lot of money too.
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  Speaker 2: And they're a young couple. They got married like early
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  Speaker 2: 20s and then been married a.
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  Speaker 4: Couple of times.
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  Speaker 2: So she posted a slideshow on her Instagram and congratulating
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  Speaker 2: her father-in-law for this documentary on Netflix. But people were
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  Speaker 2: really thought the posting was strange. So the photo she
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  Speaker 2: chooses to do is her in this red leather dress
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  Speaker 2: and her husband, his son, grabbing her like his hand
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  Speaker 2: is on her ass cheek under the skirt. He kind
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  Speaker 2: of looks a little drunk. That's the first slideshow. Then
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  Speaker 2: there's another one of her just being like sexy and
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  Speaker 2: the boyfriend, I mean, the husband in the back. And
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  Speaker 2: not till the fourth slide do we see David Beckham
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  Speaker 2: on a red carpet. So, you know, but she's like, congrats, daddy-in-law.
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  Speaker 2: Very weird. Also, Kanye West. So he's got this wife.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm hearing that they are for sure married. Bianca.
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  Speaker 2: He makes her wear all these weird clothes. I've talked
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  Speaker 2: about it. I've worried about her family. It's also been
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  Speaker 2: come out now that she comes. She is the daughter
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  Speaker 2: of this like notorious crime boss, allegedly from Australia. So
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  Speaker 2: that's interesting. But now the stories are coming out that
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  Speaker 2: he instructs his wife, Bianca Kanye, to never speak. and
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  Speaker 2: has given her a list of rules to live by,
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  Speaker 2: what she has to eat, what she wears, and that
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  Speaker 2: some believe that Kanye is trying to mold Bianca into
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  Speaker 2: a radicalized version of his ex-wife Kim Kardashian. But here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. Like I said, I really hope this isn't
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  Speaker 2: a girl that is completely isolated from her family and
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  Speaker 2: in some weird cult-like marriage, you know? And I really
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  Speaker 2: hope that she really is this crime boss daughter type
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  Speaker 2: and is really smart and is like, I'm wifey. OK,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the wife and I have power of attorney. And
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  Speaker 2: when anything happens with Kanye, I'll be able to be
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  Speaker 2: the one that'll be his next of kin or not
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  Speaker 2: that we want that to happen. But if she needs
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  Speaker 2: to be like power of attorney and do anything with
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  Speaker 2: him acting strange, maybe she's just going along with it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a theory going along with it and just playing
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  Speaker 2: like the docile, dumb wife who is in this like
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  Speaker 2: strange partnership and all her friends are worried. And she's like,
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  Speaker 2: just you don't worry. I'm going to get a lot
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  Speaker 2: more than a my own pantyhose line that I can
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  Speaker 2: pull up to my nipples. I'm going to get a
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  Speaker 2: lot more than that. And I know exactly what I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing because I learned from the best. My dad. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I hope it's that. Not that she wants
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  Speaker 2: to hurt anybody, but I hope it's not that she's
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  Speaker 2: trapped and being completely brainwashed wearing these awful outfits. Also,
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  Speaker 2: on Real Housewives of Potomac, there is this girl, Mia.
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  Speaker 2: She was really honest about the fact that she married
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  Speaker 2: this older guy. She was a stripper. And she says
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  Speaker 2: in the trailer, maybe I married him for money. Well,
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  Speaker 2: now they're getting divorced. And he, his name's Gordon, he's
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  Speaker 2: in his early 70s, has come out. and done an
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  Speaker 2: interview just spilling the juicy scoop. And he said, I
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  Speaker 2: told her at a certain point in her marriage, they've
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  Speaker 2: been together like 11 years and they have two kids.
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  Speaker 2: He said, at a certain point, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: be able to like satisfy you sexually anymore. And if
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  Speaker 2: you want to go sleep with somebody else, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Don't bring them home. Don't bring them around our kids.
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  Speaker 2: Be discreet about it. Don't embarrass me. He then found
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  Speaker 2: out that while they're kind of living this situation that
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  Speaker 2: He saw her phone and there were sexy texts on it.
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  Speaker 2: She's talking to him and he feels like the kids
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  Speaker 2: are somewhat, I don't know, being hurt by it. And
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  Speaker 2: so they are getting divorced and he's like, I just
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  Speaker 2: want to co-parent with her. But she has no use
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  Speaker 2: for me anymore because I don't have access to all
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  Speaker 2: my funds. He owned all these joint chiropractic places like
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  Speaker 2: this franchise for chiropractors. with his brother and something happened
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  Speaker 2: where this partnership ended. So he does not have the
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  Speaker 2: money that he had where she'd had just unlimited funds
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  Speaker 2: to spend. And we all know housewives don't really make
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  Speaker 2: that much money. And he believes this new guy that
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  Speaker 2: she's texting with and having an affair with has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money. So it's all out on the table,
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  Speaker 2: but it should make for a good season when that
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  Speaker 2: comes out. Meanwhile, Mauricio, so he's on Dancing with the Stars.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, oh my God, is he going to
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  Speaker 2: end up dating his instructor? Because that always happens. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he went out to dinner with his parents with this
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  Speaker 2: woman who is not, her name's Leslie Vega. And she's
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  Speaker 2: very pretty. And she looks to be, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: you never can tell how old people are, but she
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  Speaker 2: looks like she's like maybe like 40. People dove into
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  Speaker 2: her Instagram and she can do the splits just like Kyle.
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  Speaker 2: And it is kind of interesting that supposedly Kyle was
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  Speaker 2: asked to do Dancing with the Stars, and turned it down.
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  Speaker 2: They supposedly wanted her and Morgan and Mauricio, and she
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  Speaker 2: turned it down and was like, you do it, Mauricio.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, she is the girl that can do
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  Speaker 2: the splits. Well, so can this girl. And this girl
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  Speaker 2: is not only an actress who can do the splits,
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  Speaker 2: but she's also a realtor, and she works at his agency.
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  Speaker 2: So most likely she will be featured on the new
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  Speaker 2: season of Buying Beverly Hills, which is his reality show
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  Speaker 2: about his real estate firm with his daughters and these
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  Speaker 2: other people working there. So they go out to dinner
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  Speaker 2: and his mother posts a couple times thanking her for
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  Speaker 2: driving her home and having such a lovely evening. Some
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  Speaker 2: people feel like that's insensitive since, you know, Mauricio has
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  Speaker 2: been married to Kyle for like 27 years. But it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like, I don't even know. I hope that
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  Speaker 2: Mauricio and Kyle are like in cahoots and planning this
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  Speaker 2: so that Heather McDowell of Juicy Scoop talks about them.
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  Speaker 2: Because then Kyle over the weekend goes and picks up
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  Speaker 2: Morgan Wade. I'm going to do it. Some people love it.
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  Speaker 2: Some people hate it. I'm going to make you love my...
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make you love me. I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: picking me up from LAX on a Friday would make
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  Speaker 2: anybody love me, but she did it. She came all
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  Speaker 2: the way from Beverly Hills. Never heard of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 2: Never knew what a reality show was, but here this
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  Speaker 2: pretty lady, Kyle, came to pick me up. So, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the paparazzi sees the photos. And let's face it, you guys.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't want to be seen picking somebody up
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  Speaker 2: at the airport because you don't want the publicity, it's
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  Speaker 2: very easy to have your assistant go, maybe even have
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  Speaker 2: somebody else drive and you sit in the back seat
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  Speaker 2: and greet them in a big blackened window SUV.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: So they have all the photos of her picking her up.
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  Speaker 2: And then the next day they're hanging out and they
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  Speaker 2: look very together as a couple. And Kyle is wearing
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  Speaker 2: ripped jeans like Morgan and trucker hats. And this is
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  Speaker 2: not my joke, but somebody... put it side by side
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  Speaker 2: with Wayne's world, Wayne's world, and they are both Kyle
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  Speaker 2: and her and Morgan are dressed just like the stars
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  Speaker 2: of Wayne, Wayne's world. And it's hilarious. So that, so
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  Speaker 2: that all happened this weekend. So that was kind of,
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  Speaker 2: and then also Gigi Hadid was on a date with
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  Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper. Allegedly it looks like that. There's paparazzi photos.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of an interesting pairing. She was dating Leonardo DiCaprio.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know if Bradley was getting back with his
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  Speaker 2: former wife and mother of his child. And then she went,
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  Speaker 2: the Irenka, whatever her name is, she went back to
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  Speaker 2: Tom Brady. Who knows? But they went on a date.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's juicy. I like it. All right, you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm really excited for you to listen to this interview.
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  Speaker 2: It is with returning guest Scott Nathan. And let me
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  Speaker 2: tell you what we get into because it is juicy.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about more tips for sugar babies. We talk
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  Speaker 2: about how modeling has changed. We talk about an amazing
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  Speaker 2: story of finding his adoptive family, which is so juicy
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  Speaker 2: and unexpected. So get ready for a juicy, fun one. Enjoy.
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  Speaker 4: Ginger pack.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I have another ginger, Brad Wallach, but you are
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  Speaker 2: my ginger, my newer ginger, named Scott Nathan, photographer, commercial actor,
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  Speaker 2: model in the music industry, and really gatekeeper of the
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  Speaker 2: juiciest stories that now you are not gatekeeping anymore and
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  Speaker 2: you're sharing with us.
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  Speaker 4: Nope, we have 57 juicy stories coming out soon on
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  Speaker 4: the Big Book of Bad Decision, which I'm hoping to
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  Speaker 4: draw up October 10th. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first I want to just go, you posted something
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  Speaker 2: about this recently on your TikTok.
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  Speaker 4: Heather.
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  Speaker 2: And it is, I remember the show is on the CW.
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  Speaker 2: Is the CW still around?
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea. Okay. Anyway. Never saw the show.
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  Speaker 2: And you were on the poster, but you were in
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  Speaker 2: the movie, in the TV show. It's called Beauty and
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  Speaker 2: the Geek.
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  Speaker 4: Produced by Ashton Kutcher.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, it was a movie.
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  Speaker 4: No, it was a TV show. It was a series.
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  Speaker 2: And it was the third season?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. This was season three, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They had three seasons of this, and then you're on
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  Speaker 2: the poster looking like a typical nerd. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I've ever seen a guy with glasses where they have
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  Speaker 2: masking tape on it.
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  Speaker 4: I think it might have been a band-aid.
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  Speaker 2: A band-aid. A mismatch made in heaven. Yeah. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: kind of remembering this show. It was like a dating
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  Speaker 2: show where really pretty girls are like, these douchey guys
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  Speaker 2: have done nothing for us, so now we're going to
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  Speaker 2: go for the nice nerd.
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  Speaker 4: The nerds, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So tell us how you got this.
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  Speaker 4: I never saw the show. It was produced by Ashton Kutcher.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. So in modeling and acting, the dream is the
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  Speaker 4: direct booking. You know, you've done commercials I have. You
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  Speaker 4: have to go there. Then you have to go to
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  Speaker 4: a callback and then sometimes a second callback and then
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  Speaker 4: a fitting. This one was like my agent called me
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  Speaker 4: and she's like, honey, I got a direct booking for you.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, that's the dream. What is it?
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  Speaker 4: And she's like, and it's stills. It'll be fast. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what is it? And she's like, that's for
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  Speaker 4: this TV show. So I show up there, and they've
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  Speaker 4: got plastic pocket protectors and glasses held together with Band-Aids
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  Speaker 4: and all these nerdy outfits. There's another one that I
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  Speaker 4: didn't find for you. It's called Trendy vs. Trekkie, and
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  Speaker 4: it has a hot girl in a little black dress.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm standing there pigeon-toed with New Balance sneakers and
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  Speaker 4: polyester pants that are halfway up my leg.
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  Speaker 2: Just looking as geeky as possible.
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  Speaker 4: As geeky as possible. And I'm lying here with this
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  Speaker 4: hot bikini girl. And I did it. It was just
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  Speaker 4: another job. I did it. I promptly forgot about it.
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  Speaker 4: And then cut to, I'm at the Lakers game, Davis Factor,
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  Speaker 4: and we went up to the balcony of the Staples
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  Speaker 4: Center to just take a little break and smoke, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: and I'm facing, I've got my back to the city,
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  Speaker 4: and he's facing out, and he goes, ah! And I go,
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  Speaker 4: what's wrong with you? And he goes, turn around, and
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  Speaker 4: the entire side of the Hotel Figaro was that picture.
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  Speaker 4: And then we leave the building, and it's on every bus,
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  Speaker 4: and every bus stop, and it's on the 101 freeway,
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  Speaker 4: and it's on by Warner Brothers on the billboards, and
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  Speaker 4: this thing was omnipresent, and I was trying to deny it,
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  Speaker 4: but it's pretty hard to deny. People are like, is
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  Speaker 4: that you on Beauty and the Geek? And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 4: it's not me.
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  Speaker 2: How much did you get paid?
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  Speaker 4: Do you recall? I don't remember. I want to say
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  Speaker 4: maybe a couple of grand.
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  Speaker 2: And was the show a hit? It was the third season,
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  Speaker 2: so it must have done okay. Was this the third
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  Speaker 2: and final season? Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: I don't have the slightest idea.
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of remember when I saw this. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay, I do remember this. Kind of one
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  Speaker 2: of those weird memories where you're like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I saw it. I don't know if I saw
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  Speaker 2: it on the billboard or whatever. So how long was
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  Speaker 2: it out and about haunting your days as you went
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: and got coffee?
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Months. Months. And like my family saw it. Kids that
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: went to high school saw it. And they're like, stop
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: trying to deny it's you. That's you. We know that's you.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, fine, it's me. And they're like, how
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: did you get on the show? I'm like, I've never
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: seen the show. And they're like, why didn't they use
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: someone from the show? And I'm like, I don't know.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not in the TV business. I don't know why
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: they used me.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: That is kind of interesting. Yeah, they didn't use someone
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: from the show, but I can see that. You know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: maybe there wasn't someone that had that perfect geek factor.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Perfect.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Where you have a redhead, everything about it. It's perfect.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Just what they did with my hair.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Was the girl laying next to you or you did
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: it by yourself?
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: She was laying next to me. She was a nice girl.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I can't remember. Daniela, I think, was her name. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: she's just like this. I think she came from Body
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Parts Models. Do you know that agency?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: No, but explain to the people.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: So folks at home. If you can't afford a real
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: model and you want, say, beautiful hands to display a
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: watch or a manicure. Move a little forward, more forward.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Or beautiful feet or great legs or a great butt.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: There's this place. There's two agencies. I can't remember what
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the other one's called, but there's one called Body Parts Models.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: And the guy who owns it's a real pisser. I
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: called him and I said, do you have like an
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: agency motto? And he says, yes, bodies to die for,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: faces to protect them, which is amazing.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I dated a guy who was a very good looking guy.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and he was a normal model, but he was also
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: just getting into hand modeling. So he was very self-conscious
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: about doing anything with his, even though he was athletic
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and stuff, it was like, no, I have to protect
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: these hands. Yeah, and I have to, you know what,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: he was like a surfer, he was like a really
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: cute guy, but he was like, the hand modeling thing
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: is like a whole extra side gig. Yeah. And that
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: can do really well, you know, with like holding a product.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I use them for movie posters because the thing is
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: you're not– when you're doing a movie poster shoot, you're
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: not getting an actor for a 10-hour day. So what
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: we would do is we'd get all these girls from
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Body Parts Models and even from Model Mayhem, put them
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: in all the poses, experiment with them all day, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: they were practically free. They were a couple hundred bucks
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: for a 10-hour day. And then we would Photoshop the
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: movie star's heads on them afterward.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know that Pretty Woman, when the movie
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: came out, there was this, before the movie came out,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: this person that I knew had the poster in their room.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And I go, what's that about? And it was Julia
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Roberts and Richard Gere. And they're like, no, don't you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: whatever the girl's, Paige or whatever, she's a DG, she's
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the body model. She was the body model for Julia Roberts.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And I go, really? And then I was so conscious
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: of like the parts in the movie where she puts
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: her back up against the Ferrari and he's like, all right,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: come on, help me drive the car. And I'm like, yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: that's too tiny of a waist, too perfect of a butt,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: even though Julia Roberts has, you know, a fantastic figure.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: It's awkward being in a casting room because like we,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: there are norms, there are conventions. So like when a
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: model comes in, even if she's got like a very
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: sexy outfit on, I'm looking at them in the eye
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: and I'm talking to them and I look at their book.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: But these girls come into castings. I remember I did
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: a gig for Skechers, and we needed legs and butt models.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: So you open up their portfolios, and they're all pictures
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: of their ass. And they're like, do you want me
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: to walk for you? And I'm like, sure. And you
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: feel weird just staring at someone's butt. And you're like, oh,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: that's a good butt. Oh, that one's a little higher.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: That one's a little round. And it's a funny business,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: but something for everyone.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I'm going to say something right now that
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at this. That's not a great hand with
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: a short stubby finger.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: That is not a great hand. No manicure.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I just switched to another photo and it's just of
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Scott's face. But it's a girl's, obviously a girl hand
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: because it has a red nail, but it actually looks
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: kind of manly. And it almost looks like there's like
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a little hairy knuckle.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I think there's a little hair on that. And it's
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: like the cuticle's not painted and it's kind of stumpy.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I guess the CW didn't want to kick down for
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: the hand model, but it was one of the two
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: other models that I worked with that day.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. So funny.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: click and collect.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So easy.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: started crying.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: those hard moments that they go through.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to pull punches.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Only one question matters.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: What happens next?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Um, yes.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So let's, uh, let's talk a little bit. I'm going
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: to go just to your book. This is the book
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of bad decisions.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: The big book of bad decisions.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: The big book of bad decisions. And you can pre-order it,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: buy it. What's going on right now?
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: By the time it airs, there will be a Kickstarter campaign. Um,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: and I don't have the URL for it, but if
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: you go to baddecisionsbook.com and there's a QR code, you
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: can sign up for the mailing list and I will
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: just hit you the second it drops.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, awesome. Okay, so now let's get into, I want
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about, we were talking about models.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to go back to this one just
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: so we can, hold on. We were talking about models
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and you did a TikTok and I was like, okay,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I want to discuss more. Because you did all these
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: huge modeling campaigns, you know, in the last 25 years
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: or whatever, explain to me what you were saying on
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: your TikTok about how much the industry has sort of changed.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And you can be honest, and this might be, some
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: people may not like it, but I think it's interesting.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I'm going to let it fly.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: And I'm unapologetic. Good.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: It's called Juicy Scoop, people.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe in inclusion. I did one of the
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: most well-known campaigns of inclusion of different body types, my
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: NIA campaign. And I believe that there is a place
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: for it. But I don't believe, if everyone's a model, Heather,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: no one's a model. Like, I'm not down with it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I believe that there should be gatekeepers to a degree. Like,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I wanted to play for the Lakers when I was
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: a kid. It didn't work out, way it goes. You
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? It's just like, I don't think,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: if the influencer models of today are the best we
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: can do, I am unimpressed. And you know, I'm sorry,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: like the supermodels of the eighties and nineties are not
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: what today is. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: flame anybody by naming names, but we all know who
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: we're talking about. And it's unfortunate because. Castings are done
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: by follower count, not by skill, not by natural beauty.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: You mean by the influencer having 10 million followers, she
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: gets the campaign.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Versus back in the day where you could be, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: not have any followers, be just a pretty girl that
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: really wants to model, get in with the agent, do
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: your stuff, show up on time and be stunning.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or plucked from obscurity like Kate Moss.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: And- The same thing holds true with photographers. The photographers
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: that are booking the most gigs are the people who
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: shoot the most pornographic images in their Instagram. They get
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: the big followers and then they don't know what they're doing.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: And then there's also models who are now photographers. Like
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I know a pretty big model that I worked with
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: once before who then she said, I'm going to be
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: a photographer. So I ran into her at the lab
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: on Wilshire Boulevard one day and she goes, oh, I
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: just shot a Levi's campaign and a Ray-Ban campaign. Do
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: you want to see my film? And I was like, yeah, sure.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: And she did not know what she was doing. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I was looking at the contact sheets on the table
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: and she didn't know that you could move the autofocus
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: point on the screen. So she had the default autofocus point,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: which was the center of the frame. So there's all
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: these denim shirts for Levi's and the focus is on
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: the button in the middle of the shirt and all
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: of the faces were out of focus. And I said,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: you know, you can move the autofocus point or you
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: can just point at the face and then recompose and
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: take the picture. And she goes, you know what? I
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: didn't ask for your fucking help.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: And I said, well, you did kind of. And you
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: know what? And you know what? To these businesses, I
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: don't feel sorry for you at all. You got what
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: you deserved. You hired a model to do a photo
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: shoot and you got burned. And shoots are expensive. But
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: you know what's really expensive? Reshoots.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: So.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: But, you know, we were saying like, you know, I
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: think it's kind of interesting when sometimes I see I'm
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: walking through Target and I'm in the beauty section. And,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a big photo of a girl and
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: it's up close because we're in the skin aisle. And
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this girl doesn't even have good skin.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: No.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, is this a new thing like to show
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the pores and the facial hair that they didn't even
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: like exfoliate?
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: A lot of brands are doing the we don't retouch thing.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not a ham-fisted retoucher. I've never done that much
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: of it. But I also try to get it in camera.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: When you're selling skin care- I only want to see
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: girls with perfect skin. If I'm selling hair, I only
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: want to see girls with epic hair. Our job as
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: photographers and as models is to sell soap. And by soap,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: that's just an X for whatever it is that we're selling.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: When I shot the U.S. Marine Corps campaign, I didn't
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: get an out-of-shape guy with a fat stomach. I would
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: never hire me to shoot a Marines campaign. I chose
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: the guys with the best bodies. We are there to
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: sell consumer products. We're there to sell faces or makeup canvases.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Clothes are clothing hangers. There's a reason that models were
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: always 5'9 to 5'11 because that's what the drawings look like.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: That's the way dresses look the best. It's not personal.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I love you all. As a man, I'm generally grateful
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: for whatever's next to me. But as a photographer, I
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: want perfection because I can't make a great photo with
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: someone who isn't photogenic, doesn't have experience, has never practiced it,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: and just doesn't have the chops. Just like you wouldn't
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: watch a donkey race in the Kentucky Derby. Nobody wants
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: to see that. Sorry. I know.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It's like I have joked where I'm like, gosh, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: why is it wrong that a pretty girl does get
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: jobs for pretty girls? You know, she's pretty. That's one
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: of her gifts. Maybe she's also really smart, but maybe
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: she isn't smart enough to be an astronaut. Okay.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So, like, let her have the job. Or let her
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: be the person that gets, you know, hired to be whatever,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the model in the.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Movie or whatever. Which is a narrow job anyway. Like,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: if you look at the, in the best of circumstances,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: a model, and there are exceptions, but a model is
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: like a pro athlete. If you're lucky, and I mean
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: really lucky, you'll have a three to five year career.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Then you have to do something else anyway. Yeah. You know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: we all have our windows. We all like to think
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: we're aging like first growth Bordeaux, but we're not.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Now, you did another one I thought that was interesting
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: about girls you knew that went for the breast augmentation. Okay,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: tell me about that and your opinion on that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: So this is just– there's no peer-reviewed scientific studies on this,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: but I've been around. I'm not infinitely wise, but I
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: am infinitely experienced. Anything you've done, I have probably already overdone, people.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: So I have just– and this isn't just models. This
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: isn't just adult performers. I know people in the State Department.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I know people on the news. Everyone I know, almost
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: without exception, who got breast augmentations either upgraded their dating life,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: got a great husband, got a better job, got more promotions.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: These are the science of boobs.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I agree. Well, I think the same thing goes for
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: a nose job besides Jennifer Grey. And even Jennifer Grey
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: might be like, I don't care. I'm still happier with
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: when I have to wake up in the morning and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: brush my teeth and look in the mirror. Like, I
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think it's plastic surgery in general. And
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I think if it's something that bothered you, you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: you didn't like the size of your breasts or you
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: didn't like your nose or whatever. you didn't like your teeth.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Or your proportions to your hips or whatever.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think anybody that goes for it, in the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: most part, provided they don't go down this road of
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the exaggerated ass or the ridiculous balloon boobs or where
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: they're on botched being like, I got addicted to it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Just a tweak here or there, I think it's great.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And I always say like, look, God created plastic surgeons
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and There was a time where I'm sure people were
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like critical of women who were getting their teeth straightened
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: with braces. I'm sure there was a time where it
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, she's so vain. She got braces. And
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: then it all became everybody gets braces in middle school. And,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you know, if you don't if you or a time
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: where women had gray hair and they started to dye
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: their hair and the ladies around the village or whatever
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: probably gave them shit for it. So I think it's
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the same thing. I do think all these things will
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: just become more normal.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this isn't me encouraging people to get breast augmentation.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: It's like I love cute little A's that look good
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: in a T-shirt. Yeah. Personally, I've just noticed this. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: to me, know thyself. If it's something like I've known
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: girls that were kind of bigger frame girls that have
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: big hips and they're like, I want to get a
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: little boob to even me out proportionally. And it's know thyself.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: And I've also seen terrible cases of body dysmorphia disorder
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: where they can't stop.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: You know, like I have one friend and I'm like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: you're doing the right amount, just a little bit of lip,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: but I can see you're going too far. And she
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: went from looking like the prettiest girl in high school
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: to just an old plus. She looks 15 years older
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: than she looks now because of so much filler and
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: so much Botox and the giant veneers.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Does she not see it yet or does she does
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: see it?
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: No, she's in total dysmorphia. She just keeps going. She
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: cannot stop.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: And I just think it's because there's certain people, it's
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that certain look. Like even when now when you look
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: at somebody, you're like, oh, like a photo on Instagram,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I thought that was Khloe Kardashian or
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I thought that because everybody's getting the same look.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Same look, same doctors.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And I really think that's crazy. If you want to
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: be in this business, don't you want to stand out?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can still be very pretty and have
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: a slight bump on your nose.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: And I think our imperfections make us perfect. Like I
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: think to me, some of the sexiest things, like, we're
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: dating ourselves here, but Michelle, Michelle Pfeiffer's lopsided mouth, I
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: thought was like one of the sexiest things ever. Like
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I like, I like prominent noses on women. It's just
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: my thing.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Right. And it just makes you, yeah. I mean, it's like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: look at Barbara Streisand. If Barbara Streisand would have gotten
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: a nose job, she wouldn't, she wouldn't have been her.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: She wouldn't have been that woman that like was so
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: convincing in these parts because you're like, I, I know
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: that woman, you know, like I, I think if you
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: want to be a real actress that you should hold
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: back on some of these major look changes, you know?
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. If I see too much of it and the
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: humanity goes away in the face, I won't book them.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: You know, I feel like a lot of women are
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: out there getting work done in a vain attempt to
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: extend their career when they are in fact ending it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Because I'll see the ridge on the lip and I'm like,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I can't shoot around that. And I'm not paying.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Somebody because of the filler yeah yeah yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: The filler where it's where it looks like a coaster
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: you could put a drink on yeah or they look
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: like a grouper you know like a big lipped fish
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: or there's no expression there's nothing around here and there's
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: nothing in the forehead and i'm like i need i
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: need humanity and it reminds me of that that other
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: tiktok i did about the did you see the glamour
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: magazine the first ai fashion.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Editorial yes tell us about that Yeah, so I saw.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: This and I'm like, well, here we go. The model's
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: been replaced. The photographer's been replaced. Everything's been replaced. And
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: you look through it and at a glance, it looks
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: just like any other fashion photograph. But when you look
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: at it, the eyes are just lifeless and cold and
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: the skin is plasticky. And, you know, I think AI
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: is going to be good for a lot of things.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: It'll be great for coding websites. It'll be great for
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: making white pages. it will replace extras in movies that
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: are out of focus. It'll be great for stuff like that.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: But I believe, and a lot of people think I'm
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: just old school thinking, I believe you need humanity to
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: create humanity.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I just saw Raven-Symoné in an interview. And she was
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the little kid on Cosby Show. But she went on
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: to be that. So Raven, she was on The View.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I've worked with her. She's like a really smart woman.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And- It was like, well, what do you think? You know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: which is often when a lot, even though these people
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: go on to be successful, same thing when I interviewed
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Corey Feldman. You know, what do you think about child
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: actors or whatever? And she actually said, I don't think
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: a child actor should be on camera working at all
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: in any capacity until they're over 10. And maybe if
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: you need that child, use A.I., which I think is
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: kind of a hard, bizarre thing, because I do think
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: there are people that have done it right. I mean,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you're telling me that like, you know, um, Ron Howard
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't a successful story, you know, Fred Savage. I mean, there's,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: there's people that can do it. They go on to
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: other things like it and, you know, providing their parents
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: are okay. And especially now today, I.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Really think really good parents too. You know, I worked
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: with Lindsay Lowen, as you know, right. And, uh, And
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I love Lindsay. And I like her dad okay. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not blaming her parents. But here's the thing. I've
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: had the crap kicked out of me a lot in
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: my life. I've been humbled a lot in my life
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: because I've gone through this. But I can't imagine me
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: at 16, 15, 18 years old where I'm in a
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: world with unlimited money where no one's telling me no.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And I can't think of the level of a-hole I
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: would have been. The entitlement. I'm a nice guy, but
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: I also have been told no plenty.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Well, we had an agent, Iris Burton. Did you ever
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: hear of Iris Burton back in your day? She was
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a big child agent. I think she might have had
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: like Leonardo DiCaprio, whatever. And she was our agent, my
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: two sisters and I, because she was representing the neighbors
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And she met us. And my sister Shannon,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: who went on to be an attorney, she worked a lot.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And she had a very She had, my other sister
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and I were brown hair, broad eyes, but she was
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: lighter skin. She had blue eyes, freckles, blonde hair. That
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: was the look they wanted more than our look. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: she was good at it. And she got a bunch
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: of commercials and stuff. And my mom would take me
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: out of school. And then they said, she's got to
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: have pigtails and she's got to wear these overalls. So
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: then my mom would have to brush my hair out,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: put them in pigtails, drive me there. And I remember
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: by the time I got to Hollywood, I was so tired.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I fell asleep and I wasn't good in the room.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And then at home, I'd be doing characters and running around.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And my mom was like, why can't you be like
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: this when I take you? in the room. And I
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: remember feeling so guilty that I had wasted her time
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and not booked anything. And I knew how much time
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: it took out of her day and how it wasn't
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: resulting in anything for her, for myself, for the family.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: And I just thought of that. I really was like, God,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you're right. I suck. I suck. And then I didn't
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: really pursue it. Then my mom, then Shannon got to
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: kind of stop booking stuff and they stopped calling because
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: she got out of the age range. And they took
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: that money. And I don't think we put it in
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: her private fund. I really don't. Because all of a
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: sudden we had an addition. But anyway, to our house.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: But my parents, you know. She had a good life.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: They paid for college, whatever. But honestly, I don't know.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And back then, commercials made a lot. And the kids
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: were real jealous of her. And they were like, oh,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: we saw you on Bold 3. And they were so
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: mean and bullying her. And they're like, how did you
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: make off that? How did you make off that? And
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: my mom said, just say you made a lot. Well,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: that didn't make the kids happy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And so then whatever. Then by high school, she wasn't
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: doing it. No one was remembering and nobody cared anymore.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And then she never pursued it. And then I did.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it is a weird thing no matter how
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: nice and great your parents are. And I just thought
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: of that. That is hard.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Peter O'Toole said something funny. He says, there's no
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: such thing as a effing child actor. They're just children
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: that are either watchable or not.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: That is, yeah, you're right. Like, why are they working?
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: It's like saying, I mean, this isn't right, but I'm
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: just saying when people say, you know, a child prostitute
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: or a teen prostitute, no, they're victims. Like, you can't be, so,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and it's probably a bad example, but I'm saying, like,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you're right. They're just children. They shouldn't have jobs.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a weird X factor that some people are
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: just watchable, and it's not by how pretty they are,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: because you look at Philip Seymour Hoffman, and that guy
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: would chew through the scenery. He could have three lines
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: in a movie, and I'd be like, oh, that was
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: a freight train. Yeah, you can't take your eyes off
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: of him. Yeah, I don't love Will Smith movies necessarily,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: but I'll always watch a Will Smith movie because he's
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: so watchable.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, so interesting.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: You know, he's a movie star and it's one of
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: those things that I've never managed to figure out, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: some people are just more watchable than others.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Like you. Thank you.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I had this one guy that said, I'm not a
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: good actor, but I'm really good at auditioning. And he
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: never became like an Oscar winner, but he would book
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff as a teenager and a young adult.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: He'd book the guest spots. He'd book the pilots. They never,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: it wasn't an ultimate success, but he was that person
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that would just come and get the job done, be
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: charming in the room, hit the lines, hit the mark,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: you know, make it easy for everyone.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I worked on a shoot with Lisa Kudrow once. Yeah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: And I know I kind of roasted her on Instagram
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Why, what did you say?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: We'll get to that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: So, but I asked her, I said, I heard about,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: I had a friend that worked on Friends, my friend Todd,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: and I asked her, I said, I know how that
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: was one of the toughest cycles of auditions ever. I
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: know all about it. What do you, how do you
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: think you want it when everybody else just kept callback, callback,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: call it. There were a lot of callbacks and a
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: lot of pressure. And she said, all I did She goes,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: all I did was the same exact thing every time.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: And I watched everybody second guess themselves and choke and
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: panic in the waiting area. And I just did the
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: same thing over and over and over again until I
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: got it.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: She's really smart. So she was my teacher at the Groundlings.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: Was she?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I absolutely loved her. And she grew up
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: here in Woodland Hills. She went to Taft High. And
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: she basically was someone who's really smart, kind of like
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Keenan Iver Waynes, where they They wanted to pursue the arts,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: but they also had like a science brain and they
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: figured out comedic timing and the math of a joke.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And her brother was friends with, oh my God, the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: name is escaping me, from SNL, where he'd be like
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the lying guy. Oh my God.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: John Lovitz? Yes.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I love him. Her brother was friends with John Lovitz.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And then John Lovitz was at the Groundlings and she
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: went to like go see a show or something. And
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: she thought, oh my gosh, this is what I want
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to do. And she was at Vassar.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And her dad was a doctor. So she had like
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the kind of science brain. But she kind of was like, no,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I think I'd rather do this. And so he was like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: go join the Growlings, whatever. And she would watch sitcoms
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. And that's when you
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: had to be there to watch it. You couldn't like
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: just watch it on YouTube.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And she kind of studied rhythm. Yeah, she studied the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: rhythm and everything. And then she also had this unique,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: funny ability of creating, you know, original characters like she
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: did for Phoebe, really. But it was that kind of
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a thing. And then when I was doing, when she
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: was my teacher and she moved me to the next
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: level and she called and said, OK, you're going to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the next level. And I was like, oh, my gosh,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited, you know. And she goes, no, she's like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: you get it. She's like, you get what is funny.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Not everybody gets it. And just keep doing what you're doing.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: But she was great. She was always so nice. But
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: sometimes it can be that. Sometimes it can be... Everyone
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: has their own path and their own... Using their own
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: special talents to get to what they want.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, her thing was just like... Her thought process was like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: they're calling me back for a reason. It means they
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: like the thing I did last time. So she just
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: stayed in this character... and never deviated from it and
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: just didn't allow herself to get rattled. And look, we
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: all get rattled. I don't get rattled in auditions, but
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: when you walk into a callback and there's 20 people
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: in the room and they're all just looking at laptops
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: and eating pizza and not paying attention, it's.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You mean the producers and stuff when you get into
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: the room?
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you have all the people from the ad
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: agency and all the client people and the director and
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: everyone's just nervous and tense and all the actors are
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: nervous and tense. And you're just like, this is my moment.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Okay, let's talk about some other fun things. Now,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: you had kind of an interesting Britney Spears story you
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to share.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God, yeah. So the only reason I'm telling
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: this juice is because my friend was so done that
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: she was just like, you can name my name. I'm
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: not going to name her name. But a friend of
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: mine worked at a big music management company. And one
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: of the clients that she was assigned to was the
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: day-to-day looking after Britney Spears. And it was a most
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: unpleasant experience for her.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: She was the day-to-day person.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she was the day-to-day person who was at Britney's
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: side at all times. And what year are we talking? 2006, 2007,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: around there. So I didn't know that she always had
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: a different band or that she's one of those people
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: who always has the craziest job. So she called me
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: out of the blue and she's like, Scott Nathan, I
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: need your help right now. And I'm like, what's wrong?
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: And she's like, I'm with Britney and she will not
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: put her costume on. I said, what are you talking,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Britney who? And she goes, Spears. And I go, where
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: are you? And she goes, we're backstage at the VMA Awards,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: and she will not put on her costume. Hold on.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Hold on. Brittany, you cannot go on stage in your underwear.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: You have to put on your costume. And then I
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: hear Brittany in the background going, I can do whatever
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I want to do, and you don't get to tell
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: me what to do. And she's like, oh, my God, Scott,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have a nervous breakdown right now. Ken
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Paves was just here for six hours putting the most
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: beautiful hair extensions into her hair, and she's cutting them
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: out with nail scissors. So I was just like, I
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: don't know how I can help Michelle. I'm sitting here
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: on my couch. And she was just like, so she goes,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: she has to go on stage now. What do I do?
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, it sounds like she doesn't want to
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: put the costume on. So she's, so I'm like, just
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: let her go. She's like, well, is there, do you
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: have any other advice? I go, no, I'm going to
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: go watch this on TV right now. So I put
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: it on TV and she was, I rewatched it again
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: last night after we spoke. And it doesn't look as
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: bad in hindsight as it was in the moment, but it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Was, Was she wearing like little low black shorts or
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: what was it?
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: It was just like a sparkly top and sparkly little shorts,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: if memory serves. And then she immediately got fired for
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: contradicting Britney. So she went back to her big fantasy suite.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: I think it was at the Rio, one of those
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: giant like Playboy Mansion suites.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, in Vegas?
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in Vegas. And she ordered a pitcher
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: of martinis and was like drowning her sorrows and calling me.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: And she's just drunk and crying and upset. And she
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: goes like... Wait, hold on. Someone's banging at my door.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: And I go, don't answer it. And she goes, no,
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: they will not stop knocking. She goes, hang on. So
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: she walks to the front door of the suite. She
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: looks out. The people is Britney Spears. No entourage, no security,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: just Britney in a party dress. And she opens the
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: door and she's like, what do you want? And she's like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: let's go out and party. Let's go to the club.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: And she's like, you just fired me. She goes, let
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: it go. Let's just go out to the club. She's like,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I don't want to go out to the club with you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I hate you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: You fired me. And she's like, oh, come on. Don't
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: be a stick in the mud. Let's go out. She's like, no,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: and slammed the door in Brittany's face.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: So she didn't go out.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: She did not go out. And then she ran into
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Brittany a few years ago. No, like two years ago.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: And they were together every day, all day at Brittany's house.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: And she goes, hey, Brittany.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: And she goes, oh, hi. It's so nice to meet you.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: What's your name? And she says it. And she goes,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: it's really nice to meet you. And she's like, Brittany,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I worked with you every day for two years. She goes,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Are you sure? Because I don't think so. She's like, Brittany,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: it's me. And she didn't remember. So then I called
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: her back about the whole free Brittany thing. When that
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: was going down, I go, what do you think about
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: the whole free Brittany thing? It sounds like she's had
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: a tough road. She goes, she has had a tough road.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Do not, under any circumstances, free Brittany. And I'm like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: what will she do? She goes, She could buy a
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: jetliner and fly it into a mountain. Do not free Britney.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Not now. Not ever. She's that person muttering things, pushing
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: a grocery cart down the street. She just happens to
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: have a lot of money. Wow. So that was a
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: first-hand account.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Her opinion, yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, with the latest knife thing, Dancing with
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the Knives, you saw that she.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Was doing that.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I saw it, yeah.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I thought it was just a little attention-seeking.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: It didn't look dangerous to me. But she does love knives.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: And one thing I remember that I don't think I've
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: shared is I had a friend who worked with some
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: hotel and she was there and she took knives to
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the couch and they were just like, all right, you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: they just pay for the couch or whatever.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, she destroyed them.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She would do that allegedly at different hotels or whatnot. And,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: you know, they keep it quiet because they replace it
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: just like any rock star that, you know, ruins a room.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: But I do think there was some, when I saw
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the night, I'm like, there is a little bit of
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a fascination with knives, whether they're real, fake, prop, whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: She seems like a handful, doesn't she?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Now, you are known originally, really became a star because
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you would give your friends who were aspiring and practicing
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: sugar babies some different types of tips.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And where have you gone with your career as being
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a life coach for sugar babies?
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I have some recurring clients and I frequently have
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: new ones.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: So you have real clients?
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I have some, yeah. Not a ton, but, you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I do it. I'll do it in the afternoons for
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: a couple of hours once or twice a week.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: On the phone?
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: On the phone, yeah. Occasionally on Zoom.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Just like a life coach?
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Exactly a life coach, but a sex worker life coach. Okay. And.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: So tell us, give us some free stuff that we
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: can gain from being, if somebody's listening and is aspiring
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: or doing one.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: So the thing I care most about, obviously, is their safety. Right.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: And a lot of women don't know the basic fundamentals
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: of keeping themselves safe. So I usually start with that
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: as a baseline. I'll be like, don't use any photos.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: In your sugar apps that you use on your TikTok
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: or your Instagram or your Facebook.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good point.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Because reverse Google image search. You can find out who
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: someone's name is and find out what they do for
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: a living and really screw up their life.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So you have your life. So I'm Heather McDonald. I'm 25.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I want to be a sugar baby. So I only
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: have 1,000 followers between high school, college, and my job.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And here I am at the Laker game. Here I
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: am with my mom at Christmas. So you're saying, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I might even have a really flattering one. Don't use that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Never.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Do a whole different photo with a different background. everything,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and then that's my sugar baby profile.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: For starters. And you never give anyone your real phone number.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: You go get a Google Voice or some kind of
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: burner phone number that you can text and email on.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: And that's important because if you want to get rid
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of them, too, it'll be an easier way to block
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: them and get rid of them.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's also reverse lookups for cell phone numbers, too.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Like I could probably take your cell phone number and
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: put it into Google, and there's probably a website that
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: could reverse engineer it and have your name and your
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: address so safety first and then i always i always
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: say like don't you know this is chess it's not
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: checkers don't go for the kill right out of the
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: gate like do not go meet someone you haven't spoken
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: to on the phone and that you can't Vet, don't
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: just go show up at a hotel room or for
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: a car date. Get to know them. Ask for a
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: copy of their ID. Ask for a link to their LinkedIn.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Ask for a business card. And some guys might tell
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: you to F off, but I want to keep you
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: alive first and foremost.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Well, if they tell you to F off, then they
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: weren't real. I remember when I was doing real estate-
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: You know, you would never just put some guy or
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: girl or whatever in your car. They had to come
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to the office. They would leave their ID or they'd
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: take a photo of the ID. The receptionist would. And
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: then really more importantly is you got them pre-approved by
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: a mortgage broker before you ever showed them a piece
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: of property. And if they ever got weird about it, well,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: then you're not really interested in the house, right? I mean,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: That's right. I had a client call me last night
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: who lives right here in LA and it was literally
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: the grossest thing I've ever heard about a sugar dating request. Tell.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: This guy says, I want you to overeat, preferably Mexican food,
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: and I will pay $ 2, 000 if you come over to this,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: it was a gross motel in Van Nuys and vomit
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: on me. And I was like, I don't like the
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: sound of this at all. I don't think you should go.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: How much was he offering her?
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: 2K. So she's like, I used to be bulimic. I
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: could vomit really easily.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, are you going to do this? I
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: don't like this at all. Can't you go meet this
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: guy for a coffee first and just see? And she goes,
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to give it a go. I'll share
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: my location with you. And she went and she did it.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: She stuck her finger down her throat and she projectile
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: vomited all over this guy and he said, thank you, mistress.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: And he gave her The money in advance.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: You get the money before you even walk in the room?
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: You always get the money. You say, the line I
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: tell everyone to use is, hi, it's so nice to
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: meet you. Do you have something for me?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Mm, classy. You know. And you say, like cash in
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: an envelope? Never a Zelle or a Venmo?
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: No, because, well, PayPals can be reversed. Zelles can't. But
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I always say to ask for cash. Because you also
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: don't want the tax liability.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: And now what else? What else do you have for
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: them that you've discovered? You had said on the previous
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: show about the kind of gifts if they want to get.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Now people have like Amazon wish gifts or go on
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: my sugar baby wish list so that you know that
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: if you want to give me a gift, you know
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I want these Prada sunglasses. So when we meet for
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: our first date, you can hand me that first gift.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And the guy like gets off on that. He likes
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: doing that. And at least it's something you want. So
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: are you for that?
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm all about it. But I'm all about real
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: communication because there's a lot of guys out there that
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: are just– their kink is they're never going to meet you.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: They're never going to give you any money and they're
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: just wasting your time. They're going, oh, well, you don't
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: do full service. What if I gave you $ 10, 000? What
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: if I gave you $ 20, 000? And they're like, well, if
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: you give me $ 20, 000, I'll have sex with you. And
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: then it never happens anyway. So you have to really
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: separate the wheat from the chaff.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, so they're just wasting your time just talking to you.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: It's just they're kinksing if they can manipulate girls. There's
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: so much of that out there.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Or they're like, oh, I don't use third party apps
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: like Venmo or Zelle or PayPal, but I can email
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: you a check that you can then photograph and direct deposit.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: And then there's ways to scam the bank and you
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: end up with like banking fees. So I say, you know,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: don't you can be nice, but you can be very firm.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: These are my boundaries. These are my standards. I'm going
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: to need a two-minute FaceTime call with you. I want
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: to know who you are. I want to know what
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: you do. It's for both of our safeties. And then
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: a lot of them are just like, well, how much
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: extra would it be for no condom? And they're like,
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: you have to get a test within 24 hours. I
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: can give you the names of some places.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: To go to.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: A COVID test?
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: No, just kidding. No, you can go to the place
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: that all the adult performers here in the Valley go.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: And within less than 12 hours, you get a PDF
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: in your phone. You go there, I'll give them a plug.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: There's one called talent testing and there's another one called
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: cutting edge testing. It's where everyone in the adult business goes.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: And when people in the past have asked me, they're like,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: you've dated.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: And so do a lot of girls do that providing
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: they get the test that it's worth it because the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: guy really wants to experience a no condom situation?
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if she does it and they do it, they'll
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: do it. But they'll usually charge a premium for it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I still would be nervous that they could see someone
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: in between or it might not be 100%.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: That's fair. But pretty much like anybody can kind of
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: do it, right? I mean, it's like there's all different types.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: And it shouldn't matter. I've had women reach out to
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: me and they're like, I'm 28. Am I aged out?
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, you are not aged out. As Henry
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: Ford said, there's an ass for every seat. There's someone
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: for everyone. I mean, hell, I was a sugar baby
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: during COVID.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. You had that girlfriend, right?
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And that was like her kink was giving me
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: money in exchange for playing with her. But I mean-
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: I would have done it anyway, but that was her
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: kink was treating me like a prostitute.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: So with these girls, are they also pursuing real love?
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I know someone who did that. So
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: I know a girl that was like getting paid well
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: below what she deserved. She was meeting guys on Seeking,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: but she was broke. She's meeting guys on Seeking.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: But she is boning.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: She's boning.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Always boning.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: But she was like a beautiful, tall, statuesque, blonde, smart, sassy, funny.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: And she was doing guys for like 400 bucks. And finally,
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: you know, sifted through enough chaff and finally met this
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: guy she really liked.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Who was a client.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Who was a client who every Friday night she would
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: go to his house in the hills and he'd give
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: her 10 grand every weekend. Sometimes she'd usually stay over,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: but she really liked him. She's like, I would marry
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: this guy. I would have a kid with him. And
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: he kept saying, I want to have a kid with you.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: But it kept not happening. And this guy was one
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: of those guys who was kind of just addicted to
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: having a lot of girls like this. And he'd been
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: burned twice and divorced. So she she's just like, I
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: would date him in a second. So he just kept
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: giving her the 10 grand a week. For years and
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: years and years.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: So then with 10 grand a week, could she stop
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: doing the $ 400 deals?
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She gave all them up.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: And then one day she was like, her lease expired
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: and she had like a cheap car. And she's like,
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go get a new lease of the
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: same car. He goes, well, I'll come with you. I
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: can hopefully, you know, I can help you negotiate. So
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: they get to the dealership and he's like, why don't
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: you get the convertible? She's like, I can't afford the convertible.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: I just want the base model. He's like, why don't
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: you get the sports package? And she's like, I'm not,
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: I'm just getting the same car, same color that I had.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: And he goes, just wait right here. And he goes,
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: you come with me to the salesman. And he walked
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: away with the salesman, gave him his black card, got
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: her a loaded convertible with everything on it. And he's like, yeah, yeah,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: put it in her name and just bought her a
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: car on the spot. So they're out there.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: But she didn't marry him.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: No, she would have.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Well, is she still seeing him?
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: No, because she moved to a different country. But when
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: she comes back and visits. they don't even necessarily hook up.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: He still gives her the money. He just loves her.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: He calls her salt of the earth and he just
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: gives her money every time he sees her. And he's
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: one of those guys that's so rich that like 10
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: grand to him is like me giving you a candy bar.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Right. Okay. So I have a question. Has anybody ever
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: like been seeing a sugar daddy or whatever? And then they,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: that guy is getting married. I know a lot of
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: them are married, but the guy's actually like pursuing someone
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: else and keeping the girl on the side and And
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: they're at that moment where they're like, do I tell,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: like it's one thing to be seeing a guy who
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: has a wife, okay, I get that, they're miserable, who cares, dah, dah, dah,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with it, he pursued me.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: But I think that would be a weird position for
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: a sugar baby to be in, like let's say you're
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: seeing this guy, like let's say this situation with this guy.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh my God, he's nice and he's great.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: And then somehow through Instagram or through a friend or
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: maybe she's walking down the street, she sees him and
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: he's engaged and this girl seems like a really great girl.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: She's smart. She thinks she's marrying the greatest guy. Like,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: this could be like a juicy movie if I was
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: ever inclined to write something. And like, what do you do?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Do you tell, like girl to girl, do you tell
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: the girl this is what you're getting into? Does a
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: sugar baby tell the fiancee?
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: No, no. As Cary Grant once said, you don't pay
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: prostitutes to come over. You pay them to leave. You're
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: paying for their discretion. I think that would be a
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: terrible thing to do. You never blast someone.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you're not supposed to call them prostitutes
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: anymore or sex workers, sex workers. But do you think
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: and I feel like women that do this are OK
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: saying I'm a sex worker. I think they prefer saying
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: sugar baby. But do you think they really do perceive
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: themselves as that? I call them hooker lights. I thought
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: that was a fun way to say it because I
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: didn't think it was– I thought there was kind of
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: more to it than just the exchange of sex.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: It is more complex because it's rare, but I have
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: known girls who get money from guys and don't do
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: anything sexually with them. Like they really are– escorts of
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: the traditional meaning like they go with them to events
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: and they hang out and maybe they have hooked up
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: once or twice but there are some types of guys
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: that just like taking care of girls and I've had
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: and they.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Just want that companion that's going to show up be
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: a delight not fight with them not ask about anything
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: be pretty yeah and.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I can't remember if we've talked about this or not
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: but I know there's one girl from Australia who is
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: a face meltingly wealthy sex worker She owns four houses,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: she's flown by guys, only private, all over the world.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: She's a master of the universe. She's probably 29 by now,
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: but been doing it since her early 20s. And I
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: said to her, I said, what do you think distinguishes
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: you from everyone else? Why is it that you are
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: so successful? Because you're pretty, but you're not orders of
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: magnitude prettier than anyone else in this business. And she said,
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: the difference between me and everybody else is I can
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: walk into a room and know what a guy needs.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: And it's seldom sex. And I said, give me an example.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: She goes, I walked into this guy's big house in
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Bel Air and it was a disaster. There were dirty
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: dishes piled up everywhere. There were 20 pairs of shoes
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: by the door. It was just a disaster area. And
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: I could tell by his body language, he was sad
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: and slouching and depressed. And she was like, how are you?
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: And he's like, I'm okay. And I realized that this
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: guy just needed peace. So I started to talk to him.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: I cleaned his entire kitchen. I mopped his floors. I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: took all his shoes by the front door. I put
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: them in the closet. I cleaned his whole house for
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: three hours and then sat next to him. And he says,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: you know, I feel so good when you're around. And
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: he gave her $ 30, 000. She never even took her shoes off.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: And that's the thing about men that people don't realize.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: You know, teenagers, guys in their 20s, yeah, they want
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: to get off. They want orgasms. But men, sometimes men
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: just want to be heard.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting. It really is.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I sometimes think that we forget. I think that's also
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: why men end up with the pretty young girl that's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: 30 years younger than them too. And they don't really
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: think about the big picture of, yeah, right now she's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: super into you and she's hanging on your every word
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: and you guys can have fun and you're 55 and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: she's 25 and it's all going to be fine. But
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: when you're, you know, 65, or 70, you're not going
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: to want to be traipsing around Europe and going to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: an event every night. But she'll only be 40 and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: she will. And what are the chances of her wanting
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: to stay with you after that?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: None. I've talked to men and women about this whole
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: thing and it's very tricky. But having been someone who's had,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: I had a long-term relationship for five and a half
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: years with someone half my age. And I have to
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: say that there were great things about it. The great
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: things about it obviously from them just looking photoshopped in
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: real life, is they kept me relevant. They kept me current.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: They kept me knowing what the new music was, what
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: the TV is, what the vernacular, what the slogans and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: the sayings are. And I would teach them about music
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: and culture and movies, and they would teach me about
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: things they knew, and we worked really well together. Now,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: of course, long term, this probably went on two and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: a half years longer than it would have. But we
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: were best of friends and she kept me young and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: I made her wiser and it ran its course. But
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: I'd always say to the same thing. I was like,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: you don't want to be with me. I'm going to
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: be a geriatric and you're going to be my age now.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: This is a terrible idea long term.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: And yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: And, you know, I'm friends with every ex I've ever had.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, like talk on the phone friends except one.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: But that one. But but. You know, there is something
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: to be said for it. And it's like, was it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: a Shakespeare line? Youth is beauty. Beauty is youth. And,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: you know, I think if you looked at it from
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: an anthropological level, I think everyone's designed to look their
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: most beautiful by the universe because that's when they're most fertile,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: therefore the most attractive. So it's like vampires drinking the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: blood of virgins. You know, everyone's in pursuit of youth.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: So it's tricky. And younger women, a lot of younger
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: women don't want to date men their own age. Right.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Because they're young and stupid. You know, my grandmother used
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: to say, no man worth a damn before 40.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: And I think, right. And I know women, you know,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: can date younger guys now, too. And I think that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: sometimes can be a nice match. Like or share or
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: just like even like a woman, you know, like, oh,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I'm in my early 50s. I'm dating a 38 year old.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't want to have kids. We get along.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: We're great. Again, I don't know where that will be
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: when she's 60 and he's still in his 40s. Maybe
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: it will last. Maybe it won't. But she's– so what?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: He can fix a few things around the house. He
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: bones me good. I'm active.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: It can work. Maybe she can go get a side piece.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe we should stop being such Puritans that founded this country.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe we could live more like French and Italians where
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: everybody has a side piece. Everybody takes the summers off.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: No one ever gets divorced. No one ever humiliates their partner,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: but every Italian woman, every Italian man, they're all Catholic, God-fearing,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: but they all got a side piece, but nobody makes
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: a big fuss out of it. You know, maybe everyone
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: should just live like a Frenchman. Have a wife, have
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: a lover.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, whatever works for people. But, you know,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I was at Trader Joe's yesterday. And there's this young,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: really cute kid that works there. He's maybe 22. And,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, he acts like Keanu Reeves. in the original
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Parenthood movie.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Where he was like, I didn't get 16,000 on my SAT. Okay, like,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: but he's cute and he, you know, and I've seen
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: him there. So like, looking at the fruit and he's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: just telling this story about how he, whatever, fell off
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: his bike to this other guy working.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: At Trader Joe's.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: And I mean, he's just like, and I'm like, I go,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: what if roles are reversed and me as a woman,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: let's say I was whatever, I'm a successful woman, but
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I have a husband, have a few dollars. But I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: felt like a man and I was like, this is
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: gonna be my sugar baby over here. This dumb kid,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be so excited when I buy him that
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: electric bike, whatever, motorbike, whatever he's doing, And he's adorable
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: and he's sweet. But I've witnessed him a few times.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: And he is the epitome of a really pretty girl
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: that's dumb. But he's a dude.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a hot little thing.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: He's a hot, like, cute kid.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: Who could probably cut diamonds with his penis. Yeah.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: And, like, doesn't know he's hot also. and just like
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: really happy to be with, you know, who knows what
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: he's doing. And, um, but I just thought like that
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: would never happen because that is something that a woman
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: my age doesn't want. We don't want another son to raise.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: We don't want another.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they do though.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they do, but I don't think it's very often.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: I think they would rather have the 38 year old guy.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: I'm saying like, if you're going to go a little younger,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: you don't want Like a 53-year-old guy is totally going
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: to want that 21, 22-year-old girl sometimes to play around with.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: I don't want it anymore. I want nothing to do
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: with it anymore. But I've also seen the mountaintop. I've
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: eaten the whole buffet. I know how the day ends.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying I don't think there's a lot of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: women my age that if they went for somebody younger
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: that they would want someone that young.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Like that's too much. That's too much teaching, too much raising,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: too much– no.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but maybe– what if it's just straight up like
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: you come over– Less talky, more licky. Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: But I also think a guy, like, isn't... I.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: Mean, doesn't Madonna date guys in their 20s?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like, yes. But I also feel like girls
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: know of the sugar baby culture. It's been around forever.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: They could talk to other people. They could see it. Like,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a ton... I mean, this would
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: make kind of a juicy movie. If there was, like,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: a bunch of guys that are like, listen, there is
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: this movement going. I'm going to teach you how to
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: do it. When you're at Trader Joe's, like this is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: what you say. You put a little feeler out. Oh,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: you married happily? Whatever. You know, I work Tuesdays. I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: don't know. And they're like– Throw a line in the water. Yeah,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: and then they kind of know the routine or whatever.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: But I don't– I think these– a young, hot, innocent
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: guy like that and innocent because he's– He wouldn't even
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: be thinking about it. He'd be so like, what? You're
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: my mom's age. I just don't think they're thinking the.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: Way- I don't know. When I was young, I was
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: really into cougars.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe there is more of a market for it, but
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like girls are all.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Like- I always flirted with old ladies like the hairdresser.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, you married? Yeah. You guys still get together?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I always try. I used to flirt with
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: my doctors. Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Your female doctors?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Or male doctors. No, no. It doesn't matter. Whatever you want.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: No, I know you're without judgment, but no female doctors.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, wow, you went to jail. I said
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: to one, I was like, oh, you went to Yale.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: You're pretty eligible.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: I was like, do a lot of guys flirt with you?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: And I just tried to, you know, they just cut
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: it off. They're like, I'm not talking about anything personal
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Let's tell one last story before we get into your
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: book one more time. Tell me about one of the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: worst breakup stories you've ever heard.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. I can think of two off the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: top of my head. So one was a friend of
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: mine was Been in a relationship with a guy for
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: nearly 15 years. They never got married, but they lived together.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: A girl.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a girl. A big agent. Lived with her boyfriend.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Was a businessman on the beach in Santa Monica. Great life.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: One morning, she gets up at like 3 o'clock in
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: the morning to pee or whatever, and he's not in bed.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: So she gets up, and she looks around the house,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: and she can't find him. And then she looks at
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: her phone to see if there was a text or something,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: and she has an Apple Wallet notification saying $ 1, 500. was
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: charged on your American Express.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: On hers?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: On hers.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: So was she the breadwinner of the couplehood?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: No, they both made a lot of money.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: And this was the very confusing part. It's Shutters on
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: the Beach, which is a luxury beach hotel in Santa Monica.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: So she's like, what the actual F? So she gets
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: in her car, doesn't text him, gets in her car,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: drives right to Shutters on the Beach, and she walks
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: up to the front desk and she says, hi, my
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: name is X, Y, and Z. Here's my id i
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: left i locked my card in the room can i
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: get another key card and they're like yes ma'am and
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: they give her the card and she walks in and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: her boyfriend of 15 years is getting railed by an
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: asian transgender lady pounded pounded and.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: What did she say was it just was she like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: i can't even believe my eyes.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: She flipped she was like what the f is going
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: on here She's like, I cannot believe you. I cannot
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: believe you're cheating on me.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Now, when she says, and you might not know the story,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: when she sees it and it's mid-sex and she's like,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: what the hell? Does the person then exit the boyfriend?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: They're just sitting there. And the boyfriend wasn't even apologetic
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: or horrified. And he goes, what? And she goes, I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: cannot believe you. I can't believe you're having sex with
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: an Asian transgender woman. On my American Express card. You
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: know what his response was? He goes, you were sleeping.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: You were sleeping.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: And then does she look back and be like, well,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: obviously he liked this kind of sex and he liked
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: this kind of type of person. What the hell was
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: he doing with me?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: She was completely blindsided. She thought he was a flaming heterosexual.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: She had no idea.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: And then how did they end it? Was she just like,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: get out tomorrow?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: She was like, get out of my effing house. And
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: they've never spoken since.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Did they ever have any mutual... I always think, what
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: do you tell your mutual friends when you've been together
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: that long?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know what she told everyone else.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what happened? You know, like, oh, okay. Well,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: you know, do we make an agreement? Do we keep
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: a secret like that? Maybe, you know, you don't want
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: it out there. I don't know.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: What do you do when it's something that, like, surprising? Yeah.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: It's out there. So... I posted it. I made a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: tech talk about it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: So the next day, a girl I hadn't heard from
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: in 10 years calls me and she goes, that's nothing.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: That is nothing. My story is a thousand times worse
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: than that one. And I was like, what's your story?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: So this was a beautiful girl. She looked like Cindy Crawford,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: like just a beautiful brunette. And she couldn't cut it
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: in modeling and acting. She just couldn't cut it and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: left and moved to Arizona, America's cat box. And sorry,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Arizona entire family there.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Um, My son goes to school there.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: So she moves to Arizona and then she meets a
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: handsome guy who's successful. He had tribal tattoos. So that
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: was like, I was just like, I don't know. He's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: got tribal tattoos. And she was just like, don't be
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: a hater.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: It's Arizona.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: I know. It's Arizona. It's like they drive yellow Hummers
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: there and stuff. So she meets this guy, falls in
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: love with him, gets married. They're living in a big house.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: In Arizona.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: In Arizona. And very happy. Now, she had told me
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: way back when, when I met her, because I'm adopted,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: she had these a lot of really unresolved feelings about
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: she had gotten pregnant at 15 or 16 and had
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: no ability to raise a child. And she gave this
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: child up for adoption. So now that she had a
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: stable home life, she wanted to reach out and see
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: if she could connect with her daughter that she gave
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: birth to. And she does, who turns out to also
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: live in Arizona and The daughter is like a 22-year-old
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: spitting image of this girl when she was young. Gorgeous. Perfect.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: And they get together and they start building a relationship. Well,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: a few months in, her husband and the daughter start
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: hooking up and they have run off together and they
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: are engaged and they are doing the closest thing you
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: can do to pornography on Instagram that they're posting. They're
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: just like tongues out, tonguing each other and like groping
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: and just like filthy things. nasty pictures. And she's right.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: There's nothing worse I can think of than this. Like,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: my heart breaks for her.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: The only thing I could think of worse would be
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: if it was a daughter you raised.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fair.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: But it is awful and heartbreaking because now she doesn't
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: have the daughter that she reconnected with or the husband
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: or the yellow Hummer.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: And people's responses to it were weird. Like, some of
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: the people on.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: When you told the story?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: On TikTok.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what were they saying?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: We're just like, oh, well, she's like, well, the bitch
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: deserves it for abandoning her kid. And I'm like, listen,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: I'm an adoptee. Adoption is not abandonment. Leaving someone on
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: a street corner is abandonment. She tried to give this
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: child a better life. And she was just like, well,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: she nailed it. She got what she deserves. And a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: lot of people were on our side.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I mean, you kind of wonder... There
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: must have been some unresolved something with the daughter that
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: she gave up and not out of her fault, but whatever.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe she didn't have a good childhood herself. Yeah, maybe
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: she didn't have a good childhood with the adoptive parents,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Did you ever find your birth parents?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: I did, yeah.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: How did that go?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, this is bananas. So when I was adopted,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: they were very secret, very closed adoptions. And then at
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: a certain point in like the late 80s, early 90s,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: they opened up the adoptions. So I was in Cancun, Mexico,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: and my suitcase got stolen. And in my suitcase was
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: my passport and my original birth certificate. So I had nothing.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: And back then, you could go to Mexico or Canada
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: with a driver's license. It wasn't a big deal. So
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: I was able to get home. So I had to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: get a new birth certificate issued to me. So I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: had to call the Department of Vital Statistics. And they said, oh,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: you were in a closed adoption. You have to apply
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: for this thing called a gold certificate. So I applied
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: for this gold certificate. And they reissued me a birth certificate. Now,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: the birth certificate had one more line of information than
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: my old censored one. And it was the name of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: a law firm. And I'm like, there's no way this
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: law firm is going to still be around from that
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: long ago. But I'll give it a try. So I'm
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: at my office in Chicago. This was just before I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: moved here. And I call. And this guy answers the phone.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: He says, hello. And I said, hi. I think I
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: dialed the wrong number. I was trying to reach a
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: law firm. He goes, there's a law firm. My secretary
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: went home for the day because it was like 6 p.m.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: And I go, this is going to sound weird, but
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: I was adopted from your agency back in the 60s.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: And he goes, oh, my God, are you Judge Garber's nephew?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: And I go, yes. How did you know that? He goes,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: I went to law school with him at John Marshall,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: and yours is the only, like, adoption case we've ever done.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: We were law students together, and this is my dad's
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: law firm. And I'm like, this is bananas. So he goes, anyway,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: here's the adoption agency. Reach out. He goes, you probably
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: won't have any luck, but give it a go. So
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: I meet this really interesting woman whose entire job is
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: putting parents and adoptees back together. And she said, don't
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: get your hopes up. The trail is usually cold. The
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: only way I will be able to find either of
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: your birth parents is if they consented to it. And
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: she goes, give me a few weeks. I'm going to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: have to go through microfiche. And, you know, it's basically
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: our warehouse looks like the last scene in Raiders of
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: the Lost Ark. So like three weeks, a month go by.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: And she goes, this is bananas. She goes, I have
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: all these letters to you, like birthday cards. And Hanukkah
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: cards and a bar mitzvah card. And she was just like,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: you know, happy 13th birthday. This is where I'm living now.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: Should you ever reach out? Happy 18th birthday. Happy 16th birthday.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: And she'd written me all these cards. And she said, yeah.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: So she said that if you can give her your
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: phone number, she'll call you. And I'm like, I'm not
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: giving her my phone number. Give me her phone number.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: And she goes, she doesn't want to give you her
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: phone number either. I go, well, I guess it's a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: Mexican standoff. So we went back and forth for a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: little bit and we negotiated that I would call from
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: my office and that she would go to the adoption
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: agency and we would chat about it there. So we
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: talked on the phone and she seemed out there, out there.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: And I was literally moving to L.A.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Now, did you tell your– Your parents that raised you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: that you were seeing your birth mom?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: No. Okay. Because I didn't want to hurt their feelings. Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: It was something I was like, I'm going through this.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: It's stressful enough.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: But I did tell my sister who's like Stalin with
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: too much Botox and she leaked it immediately and they
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: found out.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Was she adopted as well?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: So continue. So anyway, so I moved to LA and
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: then we were in touch. We talked on the phone
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: a few times. And then I decided I was ready
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: and I was going to come meet her. So it's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: a freezing, snowing, cold night and I fly back to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: LA and I wanted to look good for her and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: I put like a suit, a tie on and like
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: a long.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: So you're meeting her in Chicago or in LA?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: No, she lives in Chicago. So I flew home to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: meet her and I'm driving in this snowstorm to this
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: terrible neighborhood and I was working for Nicolas Cage at
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: the time and Nick calls me and he's like, what's
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: going on? And I was, you're never short. When you
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: work for a guy like that, you're never short with them.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Nick, is it an emergency? Because I'm going
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: through something really heavy. And there was just silence on
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: the other end of the phone. I'm like, oh, I
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: totally screwed up. And I go, I'm sorry, Nick. What
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: do you need? He goes, what's going on? Maybe I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: can help you. And I said, I'm meeting the woman
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: who gave birth to me for the first time, and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: I think I'm having a panic attack. I've never had
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: a panic attack. I think I'm having a panic attack, Nick.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: And he goes, I can help you with this. I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: have a gift for dealing with stressful situations. And I'm like,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: you're an effing actor. How are you going to help me?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: And I go, all right, Nick, I'm all ears. Let's
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: hear it. And he goes, I want you to picture
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: yourself sitting in a red velvet theater seat in a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: movie theater watching a black comedy unfold before your eyes.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: I don't want you to dissociate, but I want you
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: to be an observer. Just watch it unfold. And it's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: going to be dark and fucked up and funny. Just
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: watch it. And I go, Nick Cage, you're a different
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: breed of cat.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just watch your story.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: I go, you're an effing genius. I'm totally calm right now.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm going in. And he goes, all right,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: call me and let me know how it goes. And
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: I said, I probably won't. But thank you very much
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: for this. And I went and I met her. And
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: I took her out to dinner. And she told me
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: all about my birth father. And she'd met this guy.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: She didn't know he was married. He got her pregnant.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: It turns out he had a couple of kids and
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: one on the way. And so that happened. So that
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: was like kind of part one of that. But I
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: was always like, this crazy redheaded lady can't be all
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: I am. I know I'm redheaded. I know I'm crazy.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: But this can't be all there is. I have to
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: find my father. And now I know his name. So
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: every few years, I tried hiring different private investigators to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: try to find him. And I always came up empty handed.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: It was just like another $ 1, 500, another $ 2, 000 down the drain.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: And I could not find him. And then one day,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: I get a call from my friend Becca. And she said,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: did you see page six this morning? I said, you
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: know me. I don't read celebrity trash. I don't care.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: And she goes, you should look at it today. You're
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: in it. And I go, why would I be in
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: page six? She goes, just go look at it. So
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: I go look at it and it says, Scott Nathan
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: sues Lindsay Lohan for not being paid on a job,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: which happened. Uh, and, uh, and then the next column over,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: it said billionaire so-and-so gets sued for sexual harassment by,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: by this company CEO in this lady's name. And, uh,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, no way. I know both of them.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: I know the billionaire and I know the woman. So
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: seconds later, I get a Facebook request from this woman.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: Carissa Schumacher is her name. And Carissa Schumacher is like
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: a geneticist, PhD, went to Brown University, a science girl,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: beautiful blonde girl, but a science girl. And I said,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: how did your case end up resolving? And she said,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: all I'm legally allowed to say is it was resolved
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: amicably and I'm pleased with the decision. I said, no way.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: That's all I'm legally allowed to say. With your Lindsay
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: Lohan thing. With my Lindsay Lohan thing, and I did
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: get paid.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Lindsay.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: I remember that, yeah.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: It wasn't Lindsay's fault. It was her partner's fault.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I remember this, yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: So that all worked out. So I said, what are
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: you doing now? Are you working for another genetics company?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: She's like, no, no, I gave up science. And I'm like,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: you're a PhD. What do you mean you gave up science?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: She goes, I'm a mirror medium and a psychic now.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: And I believe in psychics and mediums, but that's a
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: big leap to go from an Ivy League doctorate to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: being a psychic. So she goes, I have an idea.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, she's going to ask me for money.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: I can feel it. She goes, I'm not going to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: ask you for money.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, she is psychic.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So she goes, I'll make you a deal. Let
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: me do a reading for you. And my readings are
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: very expensive. And I said, what's the deal? She goes,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: let me do a reading for you. And if you
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: love it, and I mean really love it, shoot my
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: portrait sometime. And if you think it was bullshit, you
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: don't owe me anything. I was like, I'll do that.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: She goes, all right, call me Thursday afternoon. So I said, what,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: so you can LexisNexis me and Google me? Let's do
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: it right now. And she goes, listen, motherfucker, I will
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: tell you things that you cannot find on LexisNexis or Google.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: So I said, all right. So I knew her from, like,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: clubs and being with that billionaire guy. She didn't know
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: anything about me. She didn't know I was adopted. And
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: none of that is out there. I mean, it's now.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: So we get on the phone, and she said, you're
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: trying to find your birth father. And I go, yeah.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: She goes, you know, I was channeling your energy, and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: he came to me. She goes, you know, he has
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: a New York accent. I said, I know he's from Brooklyn.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: And she goes, he has a very dirty mouth. And
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: I said, well, that makes sense. And she goes, do
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: you want me to paraphrase what he's saying to you?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: Do you want me to tell you exactly?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: So is he dead or alive?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: He was dead for two years.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: So she says, do you want me to paraphrase? I said,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: paraphrase nothing. Tell me exactly what he wants to say
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: And he goes, kid, I'm sorry I wasn't there for you.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: I couldn't keep my dick in my pants. I fucked
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: everything that moved. I want you to go meet your sisters.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I have sisters? So he goes, yeah,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: I go ask him how to find my sisters. I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: know this sounds insane, but it's true. So he goes,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: I'm going to call my fourth wife. This is her name.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: She lives on Spruce Street in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. So I
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: call back the last detective from a few days earlier.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: And he's like, listen, I'm sorry I'm taking your money,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: but you gave me bad info. That guy does not exist.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: I said, you're doing one more search for me. I'm
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: not paying you any more money. He goes, what is it?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: And I said, look for this lady's name on Spruce
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: Street in Philadelphia. The guy calls me back two minutes later.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: He goes, this is unbelievable. I found him. But that's
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: not his name. He had a different name. It was
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: an anglicized version because Jews changed their names back in
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: the 50s and 60s. So he goes, anyway, here's her
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: phone number. So I'm like, I better keep going or
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: I'm going to chicken out. So I call his fourth wife.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: And I said, hi, I'm looking for, and I say
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: his name because I didn't even know if any of
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: this was real. And she says, what are you, a
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: bill collector? I said, I am not a bill collector.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: She goes, you better tell me who this is or
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: I'm hanging up. And I said, I don't even know
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: how to say this. I'm just going to say it.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: I'm his son. And she goes, oh, Jesus Christ, another one?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: And I go, what do you mean another one? She goes,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: you know the girls just met for the first time
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: at his funeral, right? I said, I know nothing. I
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: know nothing. Tell me everything. So she tells me this
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: crazy story about they met at his funeral. And I said,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: I would love to get in touch with these women.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: Can you put me in touch with them? And she goes, no.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: I said, did you say no? Why no? And she goes,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: they've been through enough. They don't need to meet you.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, but this is my life. And
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: she says, I don't give a shit. So I know
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: like old Jewish ladies, you know, they do like to dish.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: They sometimes just need a little foreplay. And I said, well,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: just tell me what you're comfortable with. She goes, don't
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: try to trick me. I said, I'm not going to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: try to trick you. Let me tell you a little
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: bit about me. I'm skinny. I have long, curly red
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: hair and blue-green eyes and pale skin. Do they look
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: like me? She goes, no. I said, I'm an artist.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Are either of them creative? She goes, not really. And
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: I said, well, just tell me what you're comfortable telling me.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: So she goes, well, one of them, and she tells
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: me her name. She goes, she's a realtor in Los Angeles.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: She grew up at Melrose and La Brea. Do you
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: know where that is? And I said, yeah, I do.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: And she goes, and the other one, she lives in
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: Long Island and she has hair salons and spas in
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: Long Island and Manhattan. And I'm like quietly typing and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: I find the realtor two seconds flat. And then I'm
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: quietly typing in Facebook and I find the New York
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: one in two seconds flat. Now it gets really crazy.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: So I go, thank you so much. And she goes,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: I'll send you some pictures. so the first picture she
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: sends is like him in the backyard at the Playboy
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: Mansion with Peter Lawford and he's like a short blonde
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: fat Jew but with my exact face and I was
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: like this is unbelievable and it's like the Playboy Mansion
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: so I'm like I see where that comes from oh
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: my gosh I know this sounds completely bananas so I'm
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: like it's getting late in New York I'm going to
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: call the New York one first so I call the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: New York one and I write her on Facebook and
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: she's like this is unbelievable he told us about you
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: on his deathbed He didn't know what your name was.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: He didn't know how to reach you. I'm going to
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: be in LA on Thursday. And I know there's something
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: about Thursdays. Everything's a Thursday in this story. She goes,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: do you want to have dinner? I said, I would
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: love to have dinner with you. Where are you staying?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: And she said, Santa Monica. And I said, okay, what hotel?
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: I'll pick you up. She goes, I'm not staying at
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: a hotel. I'm staying at my childhood best friend's house.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: I said, cool. Give me the address. She gives me
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: the address. And I go, I know that address. Who's
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: your childhood best friend? She goes, you don't know her.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: I said, she goes, she's much older than you. I said,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: is her name Joyce? She goes, yeah, how the hell
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: do you know Joyce? I said, she's my ex-girlfriend's stepmother.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: She goes, that's impossible. She only has one stepdaughter and
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: she's like half your age. And I'm like, and she goes,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: oh my God, you really are your father's son, aren't you?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: And I go, I might be. So then I call
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: my ex and I go, hey, do you know Joyce?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: And she goes, yeah, of course I know her. She's
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: my mother's best friend. She was in the room when
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: I was born. And I go, buckle up, sis. That
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: is my flesh and blood half sister. And she goes,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: you know, I can kind of see that in the eyes.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, Did you hear what I just said
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: to you? She is my sister. She goes, yeah, that
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: is crazy. So I end up going to picking her
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  Speaker 4: up there and seeing my ex and my ex's parents
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  Speaker 4: and having a little visit with them. And then I
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  Speaker 4: take her to Shay J for dinner on Ocean Avenue
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  Speaker 4: in Santa Monica. And we talked for three hours and
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  Speaker 4: it was amazing. And she's really cool. And she has
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  Speaker 4: a daughter that looks like me crossed with a Kardashian.
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  Speaker 4: It's like my face, but with like the flat, like
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  Speaker 4: with the, you know, the contours and the black hair.
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  Speaker 4: And she's really sweet. And then, and then the next
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: night was Friday night. So we were going to meet
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: the other one. She's like, I'm warning you about this
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: LA one. And I'm like, what about her? She's like,
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  Speaker 4: she's very pious. She's very Orthodox Jewish. And she's very uptight.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like, I can handle dinner with anybody. It'll
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Because they were not raised together either.
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  Speaker 4: Not at all. So we get to this house in
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: Cheviot Hills over by Fox Studios. It's a nice, you know, whatever,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: four-bedroom house. And I meet her husband, who's a nice guy,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: but he's got the beard and the payas and the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: black suit. And they're like Orthodox Jews. Right. And, like,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: I was bar mitzvahed, but we were, like, bacon-eating Jews.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: We were in it for the corned beef sandwiches and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: the Woody Allen movies. Like, we were never that observant.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: So we walk in, and I walk in, and she, like,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: comes kind of from a place of aggression from the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: moment I walk in. And she goes, Scott, where's all
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: your professional photography equipment? And I go, I didn't realize.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: I was a wise ass. So I go, I didn't
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: realize I was working tonight. And she says, well, one
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: would think if you're meeting your sisters, you'd want to
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: take pictures. And I literally just went like this.
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  Speaker 2: With your phone? Yeah.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: And she goes, well, if that's good enough for you,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: I go, it's totally good enough for me. So now
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: I feel, like, uncomfortable. And she's got two little kids,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: and they've got, like, the no makeup and the glasses
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: and the Orthodox dresses, and I kind of feel bad
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: for them. And so I'm not really much of a drinker,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: but there's that crappy Concord grape, Manischewitz wine being passed around.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I better have a couple of these and
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: take the edge off. Now I have to pee. So
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like, restroom? And she goes, yeah, down there at
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: the end of the hall. So I go down to
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: the end of the hall and I walk in and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: I turn the light on and I'm peeing and I
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: hear blood-curdling screams coming from the other room. And all
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: I could think of is I got my privates in
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: my hand and I'm peeing and I'm like thinking, how rude.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: I can't believe she's yelling at her kids or her
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: husband when there's company over. How rude. And I zip
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: up my pants and I wash my hands and I
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: go back to the table and she's just giving me
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: a death stare and she's like, and I go, problem?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: She goes, why'd you turn the fucking lights on? And
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: I go, all right, it's Shabbat. Sorry about that. And
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: she goes, I just don't know how you could be
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: so fucking stupid. And I said, you listen to me.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: I'm a guest in your house. You can't talk to
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: me like that. She goes, I just don't understand. You're Jewish.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: How could you be this dumb? And I'm like, I'm
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: I'm Jewish. I eat oysters. I eat lobsters. I hunt
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: and eat wild pigs. I'm not like you. So we're
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: not off to a great start. So I said, were
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: you raised Orthodox? And she said, no. And I said,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: how did you get here? And she said, I just
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: wanted to meet a man who was nothing like our
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: piece of shit father. And I go, you're 56 years old.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: Are you still on that? You're still mad about that?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: She goes, yeah, I'm still mad about it. I said,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: let it go. Let it go. It's over. The guy's dead.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Let it go. She goes, don't you tell me what
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: to let it go. So anyway, so I was just like,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think this is going to be a fit
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: long term. So like 10 days later. She sends me
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: a message on Facebook and she says, I find your
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: sense of humor deeply, deeply offensive. Would you mind if
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: I unfriended you? And I said, not at all.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: And how is that?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: So do you keep in touch with the Florida one?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: New York one.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: New York one.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. Awesome.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: I always see them when I'm in New York. I
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: love that. And my little niece, you know, we're in touch.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: But do you keep in touch with the mom?
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the mom and her husband.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: Your mom?
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, my mom, no.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: That was just the one meeting that you were good.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: No, that was, yeah.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I hear.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: I had my closure.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: It's like I hear that sometimes it doesn't continue and
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: sometimes it does with siblings. And, you know, it's very interesting. Well,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: let me just, let's get into your book one more time.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: So I just want to say you have some really
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: great quotes from some people that you've worked with that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: are friends. Zoe Dashanel writes, Scott, Nathan's life reads like
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: an east of Doheny's curb, your enthusiasm. I love that.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how he made so many bad decisions.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: but I'm glad he did so we can all be entertained.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: Thanks, though.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Dita Von Teese said, Scott Nathan has been regaling me
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: with his unspeakably filthy raucous stories for decades now. I
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: always wonder how he gets himself in these predicaments, but
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: the truth is he's a natural-born misfits magnet. Magnet. I mean,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: when we talked about it, I didn't know the adoption thing.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: That just came up. I've known Scott Nathan for years.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Must say he has an almost pre- Predator natural. Predator natural. God,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: these words are huge. Gift for making bad decisions.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Drew Pinsky, our friend. Jack Osborne. I thought there was
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: no way this redhead could get into so much mischief
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: and debauchery. But lo and behold, it's all true. I
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: offer to refer to Scott as a more charismatic, slightly
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: more articulate Forrest Gump. Totally. I said that. I said that.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Like you're just in all these places. So the book
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: is The Big Book of Bad Decisions. And Scott Nathan
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: is your, it's Scott Nathan Photography on Instagram.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: Scott Nathan Photo, on Instagram and TikTok is Scott Nathan Photo,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: also on Facebook. Twitter is Scott Nathan. And then the
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: website is at baddecisionsbook.com and you can zoom in and hit.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: That QR code. Yeah, zoom in and we'll have this
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: all too in the notes.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Under this. And thank you so much for coming. It's
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: always a blast. It's fun to talk to you. We
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: were talking about what we were going to talk about yesterday.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I think we've got to hang up.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Because I don't want to lie. I want it to
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: be fresh. And we ended up not even talking about
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: half the stuff.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: We planned on talking about. You and I are never
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: at a shortage for Convo.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: So you'll have to come back. And thank you so much.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate you.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: for it?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: This exclusive place that Donna's connections with. they have more
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: You have to put me in touch what's it called it's.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: Dune ideal where dune ideal there's an accent on the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: e do you mean yes i got it on done
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: deal cars lift please you're going past oh kimmage no
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: done deal cars you couldn't possibly go anywhere else