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The Kenny Report | 29 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Ross and thanks for joining me tonight. Could the
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  Speaker 2: Victorian Royal Commission into Construction corruption post problems for Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi's federal government too. Inflation eases, taking the pressure off
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  Speaker 2: interest rates, but the pressure of rising electricity prices is
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  Speaker 2: only getting worse. The Karma chameleon boy George shows the
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  Speaker 2: world how to stand up for Jews and for facts
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  Speaker 2: and stand up for humanity across the esther Krakhu in
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  Speaker 2: the UK. Also, Iran executes more young dissenters as war
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  Speaker 2: continues with the United States. Tom Switzer will join me
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  Speaker 2: on the desk and in the Wednesday wrangle with Justin
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  Speaker 2: and James.
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  Speaker 3: Why is the divorce rate falling?
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  Speaker 2: Let's start the program with that very well traveled minister
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  Speaker 2: Anika Wells. You know, the Minister for Roots, I mean
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  Speaker 2: the Minister for Sport who got caught out taking her
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  Speaker 2: family to all sorts of sporting events at your expense
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  Speaker 2: and had to pay some of it back. Well, she's
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  Speaker 2: also Minister for Communications, responsible for the ABC. Well, when
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  Speaker 2: I say responsible for the ABC, I mean she seems
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  Speaker 2: to be the one washing her hands of the ABC,
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  Speaker 2: pretending there's nothing she could or should be doing after
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  Speaker 2: its disgraceful and offensive attack against mining magnate Gina Reinhardt.
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  Speaker 4: Look as the Minister of Communications, like as the Minister
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  Speaker 4: of Sport. To be honest, if I spend all my
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  Speaker 4: time weighing in day to day on the scandals and
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  Speaker 4: outrages valid or not in both sport and Communications, I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have time to do anything substantive.
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  Speaker 2: I'll show you all of that extraordinarily pathetic exchange in
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  Speaker 2: just a moment, But first I want you to imagine
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  Speaker 2: for a moment that I started this show off with
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  Speaker 2: a joke. You know I don't mind to laugh, So
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  Speaker 2: imagine I just started the show by poking some fun
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  Speaker 2: at I don't know, just into Alan or Penny wong Orn,
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  Speaker 2: maybe someone outside politics. Let's make it the ABC presenter
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  Speaker 2: and staff elected board member Laura Tingle. What if we
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  Speaker 2: don't give this person a name because it's too horrible.
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  Speaker 3: What if I just picked a.
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  Speaker 2: Prominent woman and said that they annoyed me, and then
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  Speaker 2: joked that the way to fix that would be to
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  Speaker 2: shove a stick right up her butt and stir around
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  Speaker 2: to mix up her guts and turn her into a
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  Speaker 2: sausage roll. Now, if I said that, I'd suggest a
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  Speaker 2: few things would happen.
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  Speaker 3: First, you'd be offended.
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  Speaker 2: Audience would think it was pretty sick, pretty violent and disgusting,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just a horrible thing to say. Second, they
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't laugh because there's just nothing funny about it.
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  Speaker 3: Where's the joke?
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  Speaker 2: And Third, I'd most likely lose my job. News twenty
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  Speaker 2: four would say, sorry, mate, we pay you to share
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  Speaker 2: your opinions, but that stuff is beyond what is reasonably acceptable.
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  Speaker 2: We'd rather let you go. The station, of course, would
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  Speaker 2: then apologize to the woman involved, very clearly and publicly.
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  Speaker 3: But at the.
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  Speaker 2: ABC they not only put hateful, unfunny filth to air,
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  Speaker 2: they leave it on their website so you can still
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  Speaker 2: see it.
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  Speaker 5: Because when the revolution comes, will you hide under your
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  Speaker 5: bed or will you know exactly how to shove a
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  Speaker 5: stick right off Gina Reinhart's buttole stirring it around, nixing
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  Speaker 5: her gots up nice and smooth, making her into one
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  Speaker 5: big sausage role to make something out of nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Not only was that filmed and edited and submitted to
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  Speaker 2: the ABC's Race around the World program, but the ABC
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  Speaker 2: watched it and decided to put it to air, and
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  Speaker 2: then when it went to air, the others on the
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  Speaker 2: program saw no need to denounce it.
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  Speaker 3: He is on air Judge Lee Sales.
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  Speaker 6: I think I liked the film better than David. I
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  Speaker 6: really did quite like it. I wanted also more of Tom,
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  Speaker 6: and I thought you and Tom had great chemistry. But
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  Speaker 6: then I had a bone to pick, which is that
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  Speaker 6: you shifted the tone from a film that was kind
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  Speaker 6: of universal and including all of us and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 6: do I feel like nothing, We've all got problems, We're
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  Speaker 6: all in this together, and then you backed it in
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  Speaker 6: with a very easy, kind of nasty gag about Gena Reinhart.
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  Speaker 6: So what you were saying to the viewer was, we're
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  Speaker 6: all in this together unless you don't share my politics,
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  Speaker 6: unless you're Gena rein Hart.
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  Speaker 3: So funny, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Never mind that this was a violent slur against Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Hart that no decent.
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  Speaker 3: Person would put to wear.
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  Speaker 2: The problem, apparently was that it didn't sit well with
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the film. And then there was this
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  Speaker 2: from another judge, John Saffran.
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  Speaker 7: By the way, I'm currently in trouble for a Gena
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  Speaker 7: Reinhardt joke I made on in an SBS program, and
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  Speaker 7: it's currently working its way through the on budsmen, so
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  Speaker 7: you can look forward to that.
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  Speaker 3: Hell, oh so cool and hilarious.
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  Speaker 8: Again.
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  Speaker 2: We pay all these public broadcasting types and one thing
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  Speaker 2: that they share is a loathing for Gina Reinhardt apparently,
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  Speaker 2: and a lack of good taste and decency apparently, or
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  Speaker 2: a sense of humor. I seem to recall the left
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  Speaker 2: in the ABC railing against criticism of Julia Gillard. A
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  Speaker 2: victim of misogyny, they said, And they said the same
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  Speaker 2: recently about Jacinta Allen. They claim to be feminists, these
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  Speaker 2: public broadcasting types. They claim to stand up for all
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  Speaker 2: women and champion successful women.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a lie.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, they only stand up for green left women,
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  Speaker 2: for their chosen women.
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  Speaker 3: They care not for conservative.
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  Speaker 2: Women, for instance, or clearly successful business women. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they don't even seem to care for Jewish women either
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  Speaker 2: for that matter. But how about Anaka Wells the Minister.
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  Speaker 2: This controversy has been going on for more than a week.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC has defended the clip, saying it was satirical.
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  Speaker 2: They've refused to apologize, and now their own internal onboardsman will.
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  Speaker 3: Take a look at it.
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  Speaker 2: No one has faced questioning over this until today when
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  Speaker 2: our own Harry Clark turned up at a media conference.
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  Speaker 2: Wells called on a sport matter and her weakness is
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  Speaker 2: worth looking at in full.
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  Speaker 3: Hok.
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  Speaker 4: My personal view is it's unacceptable. Like any Australian, there's
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  Speaker 4: stuff I see on TV that I don't agree with.
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  Speaker 4: As the Minister for Communications, I respect the editorial independence
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  Speaker 4: of the ABC, but I understand they have now referred
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  Speaker 4: it to the Omberdsman. I think that was the right
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  Speaker 4: thing to do.
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  Speaker 9: Should the ABC apologize?
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  Speaker 4: The ABC should have referred it to the Ombirdsman, that's
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  Speaker 4: what they've done.
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  Speaker 9: But the generous calling for an apology. Do you think
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  Speaker 9: it's something that's that they should be apologizing for while
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  Speaker 9: also referring to the ombud.
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  Speaker 4: Look as the Minister of Communications, like as the Minister
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  Speaker 4: of Sport. To be honest, if I spend all my
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  Speaker 4: time weighing in day to day on the scandals and
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  Speaker 4: outrages valid or not in both sport and Communications, I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have time to do anything substantive. So, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: in this case, the ABC has referred to the Ombudsman.
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  Speaker 4: I think that was a helpful and righteous.
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  Speaker 9: Thing to do with regard to gendered and inflammatory language.
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  Speaker 9: Is it not hypocritical for Labour figures to come out
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  Speaker 9: and condemn that, ditch the witch campaign against JULIAU Gillard
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  Speaker 9: and the Center Allen but not actively be condemning this
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  Speaker 9: sort of content towards Dinna Ehinhardt the ABC.
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  Speaker 4: I think a nuance here is the Minister of Communications
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  Speaker 4: is that I, as the Labor Minister of Communications, respect
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  Speaker 4: the editorial independence of the ABC. They have a board,
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  Speaker 4: they have a chair, they have a process for where
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  Speaker 4: these things reach public eyre. I appreciate the fact they
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  Speaker 4: have now referred it to the ombudsman for that to
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  Speaker 4: play out.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, you guys really get this righter.
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  Speaker 2: And that's it. The media minder wraps it up. Well done,
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  Speaker 2: Harry Clark. This is extraordinary, completely hands off. As ANAKA Wills,
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  Speaker 2: they just let the ABC use your money to pump
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  Speaker 2: out vile and violent filth, and as a government they
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  Speaker 2: do nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the.
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  Speaker 2: ABC chair was on this program just days ago, as
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  Speaker 2: you know, claiming the public broadcast has zero political bias.
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  Speaker 3: Now we get the government doing nothing over this and
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  Speaker 3: saying nothing over this.
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  Speaker 2: It just goes to show that the ABC is out
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  Speaker 2: of control.
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  Speaker 3: There is no one in charge, and.
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  Speaker 2: Taxpayers are left to funder mind numbingly stupid and offensive,
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  Speaker 2: and buyers drivel day after day. And we wonder why
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  Speaker 2: in this country public debate is becoming a sewer. Let
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  Speaker 2: me show you an inspiring example of principle over fashion,
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  Speaker 2: of humanity over hatred, and it comes from what some
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  Speaker 2: might see as an unlikely source. You know him as
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  Speaker 2: Boy George, the androgynist British performer with the beautiful voice
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  Speaker 2: who came to fame fronting Culture Club in the nineteen eighties.
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  Speaker 2: He experienced success and fame, and then he went through
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  Speaker 2: hard times with drugs and charges, before re emerging in
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  Speaker 2: recent years as a popular television judge on The Voice
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  Speaker 2: in Australia and the UK. Raised a Catholic as George
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  Speaker 2: O Doubt in Britain, Boy George has long spoken up
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  Speaker 2: against anti Semitism. Now he's committed his views to music,
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  Speaker 2: releasing a new song on social media, a song that
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  Speaker 2: is strong on facts and humanity and pushes back against
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  Speaker 2: the zeitgeist of lies against Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Have a listen, Jennocide hasse When you're ta.
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  Speaker 8: It's what the arms for does it get ugly?
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  Speaker 3: You bet it?
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  Speaker 8: When I know you, one of you, every last one
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  Speaker 8: of us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there is no genocide.
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  Speaker 2: All the claims of genocide are demonstrably false.
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  Speaker 3: There is a war, a horrible war.
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  Speaker 2: One launched by Islamist extremists intent on killing all Jews
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  Speaker 2: and Israelis. Boy George's song references one of the sickening
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  Speaker 2: targets of the October the seventh atrocities, the slaughter at
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  Speaker 2: the Nova Music Festival, where young people danced for peace
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  Speaker 2: but were raped, slaughtered, defiled, and taken hostage.
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  Speaker 3: But trust me.
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  Speaker 8: Again again. We will us again.
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  Speaker 2: Now I can't play you the whole song, but I'll
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  Speaker 2: put it on my Instagram feed if you want to
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  Speaker 2: check out there later. Boy George's song calls out the
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel and anti Jewish protesters they never mention October seventh.
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  Speaker 2: He sings young girls raped against trees, murdered brutally for
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  Speaker 2: the crime of dancing.
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  Speaker 3: You condemn the Jews.
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  Speaker 2: He sings with selective memory, musicians holding flags mouthing like sheep.
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  Speaker 2: Propaganda fueled by the Internet feels so weak and boy
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  Speaker 2: George also sings some lines that are crucially important in
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  Speaker 2: my view and a clarion call to all decent people.
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  Speaker 3: If you're ever confused.
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  Speaker 2: He says, I stand with the Jews, making clear there
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  Speaker 2: is no shame with standing by a religious and ethnic
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  Speaker 2: minority under vicious attack. I don't feel brave, sings Boy George.
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  Speaker 2: I just need to behave like a human now. Boy
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  Speaker 2: George is right. He's just so right, singing just what
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  Speaker 2: the world needs to hear. It should not take bravery
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  Speaker 2: to behave like a human, and people trying to defend
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  Speaker 2: themselves against ongoing mindless slaughter deserve the support of every
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  Speaker 2: decent human being. Boy George, congratulations on being brave and
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  Speaker 2: singing the truth. Now, don't worry, he's already copying plenty
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  Speaker 2: of hate for his stand. He knows what he knows
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  Speaker 2: what decency costs, and it's a price that he's prepared
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  Speaker 2: to pay. What an example he sets, someone who at
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  Speaker 2: times has been at the vanguard of musical fashion and
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  Speaker 2: clothing trends, showing us that you sometimes have to rail
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  Speaker 2: against the political fashion, against the horrible anti Semitic zeitgeist,
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  Speaker 2: and stand up for your Jewish brothers and sisters, stand
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  Speaker 2: up for humanity. And by the way, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to understand the sickening media bias on this issue, the
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  Speaker 2: disgusting attempts at moral equivalency, You only had to look
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  Speaker 2: at how The Guardian.
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  Speaker 3: Reported the boy George story.
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  Speaker 2: They covered the release of the song and then incredibly
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  Speaker 2: delved into a little mathematical analysis. Boy George cites the
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  Speaker 2: attack by Hamas at the Nova Music Festival in October
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, saying the civilians killed there were murdered
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  Speaker 2: for the crime of dancing, reports The Guardian. It then
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  Speaker 2: goes on to say that a total of three hundred
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  Speaker 2: and forty four civilians and thirty four security personnel were
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  Speaker 2: killed and forty four people were taken hostage, before adding
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  Speaker 2: that the overall Palestinian death toll since the war started
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  Speaker 2: is more than.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy three thousand.
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  Speaker 2: What a heartless and brainless attempt demonizing Israel with some
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  Speaker 2: sort of death toll scoreboard summary, creating false equivalency and
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  Speaker 2: selectively censoring the relevant facts.
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  Speaker 3: The Guardian neglected.
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  Speaker 2: To mention that more than twelve hundred Israelis were killed
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  Speaker 2: that day, that two hundred and fifty one were taken hostage,
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  Speaker 2: some for years, and eighty of them were killed two
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  Speaker 2: so they deliberately minimized the numbers to support their false comparison.
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  Speaker 2: They also failed to mention the Palestinian deaths came from
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  Speaker 2: the war deliberately started by Hummas that day and deliberately
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  Speaker 2: continued by Hummas for almost three years since.
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  Speaker 3: And they failed to mention that.
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  Speaker 2: Even according to the terrorists of Hummas, half of the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian killed in the war were terrorists. Nor did the
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  Speaker 2: Guardian mention that all the innocent Israelis killed were killed
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  Speaker 2: and tortured and raped and taken hostage deliberately acts of
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  Speaker 2: terrorism directed against innocent civilians, whereas every tragic Palestinian civilian
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  Speaker 2: death has occurred as a tragic and unintentional consequence of warfare,
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  Speaker 2: in a war that Hummas has not only deliberately triggered,
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  Speaker 2: but in which it has hidden and attacked from behind
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  Speaker 2: and beneath its own Palestinian civilians. Instead of hiding Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: civilians underground to protect them, Hummas has kept terrorists and
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  Speaker 2: hostages underground and forced civilians to shift around above the ground,
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  Speaker 2: where they've been warned about attacks by Israel and given
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  Speaker 2: safe passage to get away from combat zones. All of
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  Speaker 2: this is the verified reality, but you read none of
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  Speaker 2: it in the Guardian or much of the media. I
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  Speaker 2: want to catch up now with the Shadow Foreign Affairs
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  Speaker 2: Ted O'Brien, who joins us from Brisbane. Good to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you again, Ted. I want to get to the
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  Speaker 2: economy in a moment, but I just want to start
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  Speaker 2: off with this ABC story that I mentioned at the
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  Speaker 2: top of the program and the vile account there where
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  Speaker 2: they're referencing Gina Reinhart.
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  Speaker 3: She wants an apology.
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  Speaker 2: I can't understand why the government can't find within itself
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  Speaker 2: the moral fiber to demand an apology.
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  Speaker 10: Great to be with you, Chris, and you use the
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  Speaker 10: word moral, and it's the right word to use, because
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  Speaker 10: I think it is a clear display of moral weakness
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  Speaker 10: that the government is not insisting that the ABC steps
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  Speaker 10: up and apologizes in this situation. It is absolutely appalling
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  Speaker 10: the vulgarity used, the personal targeting used against Gena Reinhart.
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  Speaker 10: I am absolutely disgusted by it. And by the way, Chris,
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  Speaker 10: I'm not one who beats up on the ABC, you know.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not one who's out there going the ABC is awful.
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  Speaker 10: Very rarely do I comment on our national broadcaster in
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  Speaker 10: a negative light. But I am absolutely on this case,
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  Speaker 10: I'm appalled. I mean, you don't treat any Australian like that,
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  Speaker 10: you don't especially treat an Australian woman like that. And
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  Speaker 10: then to suggest that that, I don't even want to
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  Speaker 10: call it a skit because it sort of makes it
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  Speaker 10: sound like it was all fun. That disgusting thing that
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  Speaker 10: was published by the ABC to apparently meet their standards garbage.
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  Speaker 10: If that's the case, the standards need to change. The
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  Speaker 10: ABC should apologize and the Alberanezi government should step in
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  Speaker 10: and show some leadership rather than a moral vacuum in
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  Speaker 10: this case, what do they just not like the person?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what isn't Is it because she's rich? Is
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  Speaker 3: it because she's backing one Nation?
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I'm not one nation and I'm the first
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  Speaker 10: to say this is inappropriate.
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  Speaker 11: I'm appalled by it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just extraordinary that the leadership the ABC would not apologize,
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  Speaker 2: would not admit it's a mistake, that the government wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: say so publicly.
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  Speaker 3: It is pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: It lacks common decency and if this was said about
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  Speaker 2: someone else, I'm certain there would be a different attitude.
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  Speaker 2: There seems to be a political agenda, some sort of
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  Speaker 2: ideological bias behind this. I don't want to name other
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  Speaker 2: women because it's unfair, but we all know if there
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  Speaker 2: are other prominent women named in.
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  Speaker 11: This way that there would be hell to pay. And
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  Speaker 11: there should be hell to pay, no matter what I mean.
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  Speaker 10: You know, if you just if everyone just thinks of
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  Speaker 10: the women in their life, right, whether it be your mum,
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  Speaker 10: your wife, your sister, your daughter, whatever I mean. I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 10: you had the ABC publishing something as vile as what
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  Speaker 10: they did against Gina Reinhart, think about the impact that
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  Speaker 10: would have on you and your family if that happened
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  Speaker 10: to a loved one of yours. Now, we all make
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  Speaker 10: sure to dakes right, so you know, but when you
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  Speaker 10: make a mistake, you step up your pologize for it.
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  Speaker 10: They have refused to do that. That's unacceptable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they got form on this.
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  Speaker 11: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: They once showed me up a dog and called me
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  Speaker 2: a dog effort, and there's the same I mean, that's
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  Speaker 2: sort of water off a ducks back to me. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was important to take a stand because
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  Speaker 2: of the standards there, and because they were trying to
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  Speaker 2: silence me, and because of what it said about my
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  Speaker 2: family and again we had to take legal action thanks
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  Speaker 2: to my employers, before the ABC would even apologize.
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  Speaker 3: It's pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: Common decency says, increase, Just apologize at the very least.
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  Speaker 3: And move on. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 10: And look, we're talking about the national broadcast, right, so
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  Speaker 10: all of us have a stake in this. This reflects
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  Speaker 10: on us as a country. This is not who we are. Again,
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: there are a lot of great people working for the ABC.
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: It doesn't reflect well on them. No, And so you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: if management of the ABC step up apologize.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people might be surprised and friends and people are
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: respected to work at the ABC, and that's the trouble.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: This sort of stuff reflects badly on all of them.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: A couple of quick questions I need to get onto
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: before I let you go. One is the Royal Commission
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: into Construction corruption in Victoria. The Victorian government, of course
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: with the new premier, have been dragged kicking and screaming
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: into calling that that could cause a lot of trouble
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: for the federal labor government too, couldn't.
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: It, Well, Chris, I hope it does, because the federal
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: government in on everything CFMEU.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: This is as much about.
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: The Federal Labor Team as it is about the Victorian
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: labor team. And if the new Victorian labor leader wants
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: to say that under his new regime, integrity is not optional,
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: then it poses the question to Anthony Alberanezi whether or
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: not he is lacking integrity by not stepping in and
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: doing the same when it comes to the CFMEU Labor
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: is basically a wholly owned subsidiary of the Union movement.
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: Anthony Albernesi has been clear with all of his policies,
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: they are all being dirty dividends to their master. But
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: now he has one of his own, the labor leader
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: in Victoria, calling out the CFMU. I look forward to
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: the same treatment from Anthony Albanesi in calling a royal
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: commission at the national level.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as federal money involved in some of these projects
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: as well, so all federal tax players one.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Hundred percent will be interested in this.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And just briefly before we let you go, good news
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: on the economy. Inflation easing a bit, which means we
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: should not see another interest rate rise in the next month.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Oh well, let's wait and see.
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: I think the market will tell us what they're pricing in,
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: what they're not but again, the big problem here, Chris,
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: is the federal government keeps spending money.
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: More money they.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Pour into the economy.
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: They're competing with households and businesses. That pushes prices up.
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: Inflation remains above the two point five percent target of
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: the Reserve Bank.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: They're going to.
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: Increase interest rates. This all comes back to a government
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: that cannot control money.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Chris, Ted, thanks for joining us.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So I appreciate Ted O'Brien, their shadow Foreign affairs minister,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: joining us live from Brisbane. I want to go to
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: international affairs now. And Donald Trump has welcomed vladimire Zelenski
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and Benjamin Nettnahu to the White House as the US
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: President seeks to find an end to two conflicts. Of course,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the Israel and Ukraine leaders were both in America to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: attend the funeral of long time ally Republican Senator Lindsay Graham.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Here's the latters from our Washington correspondent Jonathan Kursley.
• 22:33
  Speaker 12: While in Washington, DC, the two leaders held talks at
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: the White House, first the Ukraine president. Israel's prime minister
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: was next. This after President Trump sent a pre meeting
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: message to Benjaminett Yaho about the possibility of strikes on
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: Iran's pickaxe mounted.
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: Well, I don't need BB to tell me that.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: BB's telling me that because he wants me to stay involved.
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't, not necessarily.
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: But this was all smiles saw who accompanied Prime Minister
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: Netanya who telling News twenty four it was an extremely
• 23:05
  Speaker 12: positive meeting Benyaminetta, who declared it his best yet.
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: I just finished an excellent meeting with President Trump. When
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: I say excellent, it's not just slip service, a conversation
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: with full partnership, mutual support, understanding of the common goal
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: to ensure that Iran does not have nuclear weapons.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Here we go, Let's bring welcome to back to the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: desk Tom Switzer columnists with Australian Tom.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Pretty important meetings.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Netnaho and Zelenski have both have course been to the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: White House before, but it was a good time to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: actually be catching up with them.
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: Well indeed, And the question is what does President Trump do?
• 23:39
  Speaker 14: Does he up the ante against the Iranians as no
• 23:42
  Speaker 14: doubt Prime Minister in Netna who hopes he will do,
• 23:45
  Speaker 14: and will he give the Patriot missile interceptors to the
• 23:48
  Speaker 14: Ukrainians who want to guard against the Russian drones and
• 23:52
  Speaker 14: missile attacks.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Well, there was a missile attack from Iran at US
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: interests in the golf and they were taken out by
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: American defensive missiles. So this technology works so well, it's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: essentially kept Israel going for the past decade. So why
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you allow the Ukrainian's access to that technology.
• 24:10
  Speaker 14: Well, if you read the Wall Street Journal in the
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: New York Times, there have been several stories in the
• 24:14
  Speaker 14: course of the last few weeks highlighting that there are
• 24:16
  Speaker 14: actually interceptor and munitions shortages.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: For the Americans.
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: And indeed, the Wall Street Journal editorial page just this
• 24:23
  Speaker 14: week actually published a scathing editorial.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: This has been deliberately leaked by Trump.
• 24:28
  Speaker 14: Well, if not by Trump, certainly in someone in the
• 24:30
  Speaker 14: White House. But yeah, maybe Trump as justification for not
• 24:33
  Speaker 14: apping the.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Anti Yeah, we will see, we will see.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I want to go to what's happening in Iran in
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the meantime, and this morning, tragically more dissidents, three young
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: dissidents who the government had targeted and imprisoned, were executed
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: as dawn broke.
• 24:54
  Speaker 15: Iranian authorities publicly executed two young protesters in the same
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: square where demonstrations had erupted during this January's uprising. Hours earlier,
• 25:05
  Speaker 15: sources told Iran International that the families of three protesters,
• 25:09
  Speaker 15: Amir Hrossein Safari and cousins Ali Rosa and Abolfa Sepahi,
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: had been summoned to prison for final visits. They also
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: said an iron scaffold had been erected in the cities
• 25:20
  Speaker 15: Ali Roni Square and security forces were deployed across the area.
• 25:24
  Speaker 15: Radio center Iran International showed a large deployment of security
• 25:28
  Speaker 15: forces around the square as the executions took place. Residents
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: gathered nearby and shouted slogans against the government or separate
• 25:37
  Speaker 15: footage showed security forces attacking people protesting the executions.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, arear insight in what's happening in Iran at the moment.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I want to raise this for a number of reasons.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: One is just the sheer barbarity of this regime executing
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: dissidents in this way at dawn during the dawn call
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to prayer, showing what the is almost extremest regime it is.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: So we're not getting much information out of Iran, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: this show that with those security deployments and the like,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and the reports of crowds protesting against these executions. It
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: shows us that there is still opposition to the regime,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that the regime is still worried about that internal opposition.
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: Look, there's no question that this regime, since the Iranian Revolution,
• 26:24
  Speaker 14: the Islamic Revolution of nineteen seventy nine, is a brutal
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: sheer theocracy. The Muller's Habah broke no descent for people
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: who challenge the regime, and they will play hardball against
• 26:37
  Speaker 14: these poor innocent people. That's not in dispute. The sad
• 26:41
  Speaker 14: reality is that this regime is more likely to be
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: hardline because they feel that their backs against the wall.
• 26:47
  Speaker 14: They think from the regimes perspective, they're facing an existential
• 26:51
  Speaker 14: threat from the United States links to stifle any descent.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: But there's no doubt about any of those things you've said.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: But my point is we got a bit of an
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: insight from some of the of this that there are
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: still protests against the regime in Iran and that the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: regime is deploying internal security to quell it. That I
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: think is, you know, in some ways encouraging.
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: Look, I think if regime change is going to take place,
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: the Americans need to countenance the idea of committing ground troops.
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: That example of where regime change work from air power alone,
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: with the exception of Germany in Japan.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're not going to do that. They're not
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: going to do that, but it gives us an insight.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You don't think that the Iranian regime is at all
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: unstable at the moment.
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: I think it's certainly reeling from the impact of the
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: naval blockade. But they will play hardball, as I've set
• 27:43
  Speaker 14: you on this program. They will eat grass if they
• 27:46
  Speaker 14: have to to wait out the Americans. And they're betting
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: that Donald Trump will blink first. And these stories that
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: the White House is allegedly giving to the Wall Street
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: Journal that they are suffering from munitions losses only helps
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: Tay runs game plan.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're betting.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: They play the social media game, the political game, and it's.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: A we'll see how we'll get the measure of Trump.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I suppose in the coming months.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tom, Tom Switzer there you can
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: read his stuff in the Australia.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I've got to get to a break.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: On the other side, more on boy George the Karma Chameleon,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: showing the world how to stand up for Jews, how
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to stand up for facts and how to stand up
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: for humanity. Across to is the crack who across to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: estherecrack who in the in London in just a moment.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: But first, as we mentioned on Monday, the man who
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: carried out that Islamus terror attack in Berlin over the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: weekend was arrested and charged previously on terror related charges,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: then freed because he promised to leave his extremist days behind.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: But despite all that, have a look at how Berlin's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: queer commissioner has sought to shift the conversation and the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: focus onto the far right.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: The far right here in Germany is of course waiting
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: for an attack like this one to use it in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: order to highlight that the foreigners are the problem. But
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: by doing so they completely forget and avoid to look
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: at how much creophobia there is in this country in
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: all various levels of structures, in schools, at the workplace,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: in churches, on the streets, in sports and in so
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: many other places. Yes, they might not come out onto
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the streets with a van and kill us in a big,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: huge group like possibly this attack could have done.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Let's bring in writer and broadcast Esther Kracker see, I've.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Got to get you know, walk me through the logic
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: of this bloke here is saying that, Yeah, how could
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: you possibly seize upon Islamist extremism to talk about Islamistic
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: extremism rather because an Islamist extremist.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Kills someone, then the shame is on everybody else.
• 29:55
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, you really can't make sense of it
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: because this is the kind of the grips that these people.
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: People are in the mental grip to try and make
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: it so. I mean, there was a singer at the
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: memorial held for the woman who died during this attack,
• 30:09
  Speaker 16: who was not mentioned at all at any point in
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: this memorial, if you believe it or not, and she
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: talked about her disappointment that the person who carried this
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: attack wasn't a white Christian man. So they're so desperate
• 30:21
  Speaker 16: for a reality that is not so to be so
• 30:23
  Speaker 16: that it fits their narrative, which is the most pathetic
• 30:26
  Speaker 16: and horrifying and saddening thing. But you know, the reality
• 30:29
  Speaker 16: is they can't. There's not enough to demand for what
• 30:34
  Speaker 16: they're well, there's not enough supply for what they're demanding,
• 30:36
  Speaker 16: which is for the narrative to have shifted and for
• 30:39
  Speaker 16: the person who committed this attack to not be of
• 30:42
  Speaker 16: a radical Islamist background.
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: Unfortunately that is the case.
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: And I think that the fact that they're more concerned
• 30:50
  Speaker 16: with the far right, which had nothing to do with
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: this attack, than the fact that, for example, in Germany,
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: you know, the AfD is polling quite highly with gay
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: men because the price surprise, people don't want to live
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: next to home from cultures that are not friendly to
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: their sexual orientation. The fact that they're they're less concerned
• 31:09
  Speaker 16: with that than the fact that they're people that are
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: ramming their cars into people just for their sexual orientation
• 31:14
  Speaker 16: is horrifying.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's disgusting.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And the other contradiction here, of course, and it's a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: hypocrisy we see around the world. At this gay Pride match,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: there was a level of support for the Palestinian cause
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and a level of anti Israeli hatred. Have a listen
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to this bike at that rally where someone was killed.
• 31:37
  Speaker 17: Well, Israelistic aggressor in the entire Middle East region right
• 31:40
  Speaker 17: now bombing everyone while like each and every day you
• 31:44
  Speaker 17: have this ceasefires being discussed, which are like at the
• 31:49
  Speaker 17: same time being just completely ignored by Israel.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So he says Israel is the aggressor, and of course,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: only a matter of minutes later and Islamist extremist remonstraits
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: exactly how the reality is, and that is that it's
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the Islamistic extremists who are the aggress is, not just
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the Middle East, but with these
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: issues right throughout Europe and the rest of the world.
• 32:13
  Speaker 16: Yes, and the arrony is that he would probably be
• 32:15
  Speaker 16: safe in the country that he's criticizing, Israel, than certainly
• 32:18
  Speaker 16: Jaza or other parts of Palestine. And it's basically like
• 32:22
  Speaker 16: you know, chickens for KFC, this weird red green alliance
• 32:26
  Speaker 16: of sort of Islamist friendly individuals and people on the
• 32:29
  Speaker 16: far left, which is probably the most unholy marriage if
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: you could ever imagine. It's fracturing because it's a marriage
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: of convenience. It's not rooted in any coherent political thoughts.
• 32:39
  Speaker 16: And unfortunately you're seeing this to the extent that people
• 32:41
  Speaker 16: are wishing that the people who are actually carrying out
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: these terrorist attacks are of a different demographic background because
• 32:48
  Speaker 16: it fits their narrative. How sick do you have to
• 32:50
  Speaker 16: be to want that to be the case.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable. The thing is, though.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: What gives me hope is someone is standing out above
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the parapet at the moment, and that is the singer
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: and television star Boy George, who's always been strong in
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: what he's had to say against Andy Semitism, but he's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: now put that to song.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I showed some of it earlier. Here's another look.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: You said, genocide hasse war.
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: When you're attacked, it's what the arms for. Does it
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: get ugly? You bet it? When I know you, one
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: of you, every last one.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Of us.
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: Esther.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: There's so much truth in this song. He says that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: genocide slur is a lie. He says, this is a war.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: It's ugly, but it's a war of self defense for
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: people who are being attacked. What's the reaction been so
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: far in the UK to this song.
• 33:53
  Speaker 16: I think the reaction has been predictable and you probably
• 33:55
  Speaker 16: won't hear the song on the top forty hits anytime soon.
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: I think so.
• 34:00
  Speaker 16: What I did find that the most striking about this
• 34:02
  Speaker 16: is Boy George's is a London of Irish Catholic descent,
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: so you can't even make the argument that this is
• 34:08
  Speaker 16: just a Jewish person showing solidarity with the Jewish community,
• 34:11
  Speaker 16: and I think that's really what's been missing from our
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: mainstream media, and it's kind of shows how monolithic it's become.
• 34:17
  Speaker 16: I mean, I wrote a piece saying I don't stand
• 34:19
  Speaker 16: with you the Jewish community as a member of the
• 34:21
  Speaker 16: black community or whatever. I stand as a human being
• 34:24
  Speaker 16: who's concerned for other human beings. And I think the
• 34:27
  Speaker 16: fact that you had the BBC showing a performance at
• 34:31
  Speaker 16: Glastonbury where death to the Idef was being chanted and
• 34:34
  Speaker 16: that was treated as oh, naughty, naughty, But really they've
• 34:37
  Speaker 16: been pushed to do it, but something like this is
• 34:40
  Speaker 16: seen as countercultural just shows that our media hasn't really
• 34:42
  Speaker 16: done a good job in showing both sides of the argument.
• 34:45
  Speaker 16: Of course, it's uncomfortable, but that's what the media is
• 34:47
  Speaker 16: there for. It's supposed to reflect various views in society
• 34:51
  Speaker 16: and show both sides of every story so people are
• 34:54
  Speaker 16: well informed. It's not supposed to tell people what to
• 34:56
  Speaker 16: think or how to think. It's just supposed to show
• 34:58
  Speaker 16: people the reality and the fact. But our media class
• 35:01
  Speaker 16: has been so taken over by people of one political
• 35:05
  Speaker 16: ideology or leaning that this is seen as controversial, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 16: the fact that we're not even surprised that it's controversial.
• 35:10
  Speaker 16: Is what's even sadder, because you know, in any other
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: industry this would have basically been a death now. But he,
• 35:17
  Speaker 16: I suppose, has Godden caution to the wind. His last
• 35:19
  Speaker 16: hit was in twenty ten, and he thought, what do
• 35:21
  Speaker 16: I have to lose? If you people can freely show
• 35:24
  Speaker 16: solidarity with one side and not have it destroy their career,
• 35:26
  Speaker 16: then I might as well take this chance.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on him, because he's doing the right thing.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: And we need more people who are non Jewish to
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: stand up because this is not an issue for the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Jewish community alone. This is an issue for all civilizations
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: and everybody's got to stand up for humanity.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: As you say, Esther, thanks so much for joining us.
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: Thank you.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, they're correctly there in the UK. We will take
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, I want to get
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: into the electricity debate again and talk about the increasing prices.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: They're still escalating right across the country. I'll catch up
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: with the shadow Energy Minister Dan ten I mentioned at
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the top of the program. There was just a smidgeon
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of decent economic news today, with inflation just easing back
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a tad which might take the pressure off future interest
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: rate rises.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Here's the Treasurer Jim Charmers.
• 36:21
  Speaker 18: That people are still under pressure. We know that inflation
• 36:24
  Speaker 18: is still higher than we would like it to be.
• 36:26
  Speaker 18: We know that the war in the Middle East and
• 36:29
  Speaker 18: the uncertain developments even in the last couple of weeks
• 36:32
  Speaker 18: risks that outlook as well. But in the circumstances that
• 36:37
  Speaker 18: we find ourselves in, these numbers today are encouraging. They
• 36:42
  Speaker 18: have come in lower than what was anticipated.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Woomba and catch up with Shadow Energy
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Minister Dan Ten.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. Dan.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Look, there's no doubt inflation just edged back and flat
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: lined when it came to the underlying inflation. But what
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: stood out for me electricity prices are still in there,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: going up over twenty percent across the year.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: And this is where so many people fill the pinch.
• 37:10
  Speaker 19: Absolutely, Chris, your spot on, and yet all we hear
• 37:14
  Speaker 19: from Chris Bowen is that they're going down and it
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: just doesn't add up because what we see today again
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: in the inflation figures quite clearly, is that they continue
• 37:27
  Speaker 19: to go up. As you've said, twenty percent, it means
• 37:30
  Speaker 19: that the idea of that two hundred and seventy five
• 37:33
  Speaker 19: dollars reduction in your power bill is finished, it's gone,
• 37:38
  Speaker 19: it's bought, it's not going to happen, and sadly, there
• 37:42
  Speaker 19: is nothing that this government is doing that I think
• 37:45
  Speaker 19: is going to see that number come down over the
• 37:48
  Speaker 19: coming twelve months.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Now, this is.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: More than just a story to an issue of personal pain.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: We know those power increases really crush household budgets and
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: small business people, but it's also a broader economic.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Point because this must be feeding to into the.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Inflation problem right across the country because electricity is such
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: a big input for so many industries and when it
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: comes to refrigeration and transport and all the rest of it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: If they could get on top of the energy issue,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: it would be so good for the economy overall.
• 38:21
  Speaker 19: Once again, absolutely spot on. You know, there's the over
• 38:24
  Speaker 19: two hundred and forty thousand Australians, sadly, who are dealing
• 38:28
  Speaker 19: with energy hardship in this country. But there's also businesses
• 38:33
  Speaker 19: who are being forced to shut down clothes or lay
• 38:37
  Speaker 19: workers off because of higher electricity prices. And then you've
• 38:41
  Speaker 19: got those households who are facing a double whammy. Not
• 38:45
  Speaker 19: only are they facing higher electricity bills and higher gas bills.
• 38:49
  Speaker 19: But also they're worried that if this electricity inflation continues,
• 38:55
  Speaker 19: they're going to be facing higher interest rates. And all
• 38:58
  Speaker 19: this adds up sad to one thing. People's standard of
• 39:02
  Speaker 19: living continues to decline in this country to rate high
• 39:06
  Speaker 19: than pretty much any other industrialized country in the world,
• 39:10
  Speaker 19: and you can point the finger straight at what's happening
• 39:13
  Speaker 19: to electricity price as one of the primary results of that.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Now Chris Bowen is still out there spreaking his home
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: battery scheme every day. It's gone double budget. It's blown
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: its budget by double. Of course, only people with spare cash.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You've got to be relatively well off to be able
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: to afford these batteries. But then more taxpayers money comes
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: in and helps subsidize them for you.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: So we're all paying, whether.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: We're poor or wealthy, we're all paying for other people
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: to get their batteries.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And in the meantime, the green dream.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Is becoming so embarrassing that it's pointed out today that
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the Australian Hydrogen Council has changed its name.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: It's now got hydrogen out of the name.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Because it's so embarrassed about how the whole green hydrogen
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: scam has fallen over at the cost I might add
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars of taxpayers money.
• 40:06
  Speaker 19: And you'll remember Chris Browlin spooking that we were going
• 40:09
  Speaker 19: to become a green energy superpower based on hydrogen. And
• 40:13
  Speaker 19: we don't hear so much about that anymore, as that
• 40:17
  Speaker 19: seems to sort have disappeared out of his lexicon. And Chris,
• 40:20
  Speaker 19: you will have noticed he's starting to replace it with
• 40:22
  Speaker 19: sovereign renewables.
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, this is it's beyond.
• 40:27
  Speaker 19: A joke, seriously, because there is nothing sovereign about the renewables.
• 40:32
  Speaker 19: And you know he's two billion dollar to eight billion
• 40:37
  Speaker 19: dollar home battery scheme. We're convinced, and they won't release
• 40:42
  Speaker 19: the data tools, but we're convinced that at least over
• 40:45
  Speaker 19: ninety percent of those batteries have been imported from overseas,
• 40:49
  Speaker 19: and the majority of them most likely from China.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Yeahat great use of taxpayers money.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Now, I just want to bring to your attention the
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Sky News Pulse SURVEYGA results when it comes to new
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: clear energy, and they say show us that forty two
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: percent of Australian say we should get rid of the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: nuclear band and only thirty seven against twenty percent don't know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: So you're in the hunts when it comes to this
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: nuclear energy debate. Are we expecting to hear more detail
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: from the coalition on its nuclear energy plans soon?
• 41:23
  Speaker 19: Absolutely? So the band goes where one hundred percent crystal
• 41:27
  Speaker 19: clear about that. Just tell your viewers loud and clear,
• 41:31
  Speaker 19: the ban goes, and we'll have more to say with
• 41:34
  Speaker 19: what our nuclear plan is over the coming months. And
• 41:38
  Speaker 19: I can tell you that work is being done. It's
• 41:41
  Speaker 19: nearly finalized. We want to be able to put out
• 41:43
  Speaker 19: the next stage very soon. But we cannot understand we
• 41:47
  Speaker 19: cannot understand a why we aren't exporting more uranium and
• 41:53
  Speaker 19: two why we aren't technology neutral in this country. Given
• 41:57
  Speaker 19: that we've got uranium here, why we offer the chance
• 42:01
  Speaker 19: for us to be able to use it here in
• 42:03
  Speaker 19: a responsible.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: We should use it, We should process it, we should
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: store the way should we should partly be part of
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a whole cycle and profitably profiting magnificently from it. That
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: will come back to that issue another time, Dan, thanks
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: for joining us. Dan Tee in there, the shadow energy minister.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a blake. We've got to
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the break, We've got James and Justin wrangling after that.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: One of the questions is why is the divorce rate falling?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Time for the Wednesday wrangle And on the desk here
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: with me is News twenty four contributor and digital was
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the James Bolt.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Good to see Ben.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: James here and in Melbourne sporting his one nation orange
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: kerchief is a columnist broadcaster.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Justin Smith, good to see him up.
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: Mister Kenny, Hello, James, tell us.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: How things looking in Melbourne? Is it morning in Victoria
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: now with Ben Carroll in charge?
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 43:01
  Speaker 20: Wow, wasn't that a crazy incredible day yesterday? I'm going
• 43:06
  Speaker 20: to say, you know, as a person who observes these
• 43:09
  Speaker 20: things and commentates on these things, there's nothing like seeing
• 43:11
  Speaker 20: a little bit of chaos play out to really stiff
• 43:14
  Speaker 20: in the sinews and summon up the blood.
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: Ben Carroll seems to be doing.
• 43:18
  Speaker 20: Though, probably the only thing that could help him get
• 43:22
  Speaker 20: even close to winning in November, which is completely distancing
• 43:26
  Speaker 20: himself from everybody else. You know, I think in that
• 43:29
  Speaker 20: press conference, if he had stood up and said, look,
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: Dan Andrews did a terrific job. Just Into Allan did
• 43:34
  Speaker 20: a terrific job. I think he would be absolutely toast.
• 43:38
  Speaker 20: But clearly he's gone in with the plan. Either he's
• 43:41
  Speaker 20: advising himself or he's got some good advisors around him.
• 43:43
  Speaker 20: So the only thing he can do is to say, look,
• 43:46
  Speaker 20: they were rubbish and I'm going to be terrific.
• 43:48
  Speaker 11: I'm paraphrasing him thought of.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Course, but James, he said, he's not Jack the Ripper,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: He's not a till of the hum, He's not just
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: inter Allan. He's not I mean he was deputy to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: just into Alan's.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: It's so implausible, it's so unauthentic.
• 44:03
  Speaker 21: Yeah, he can do this whole like, you know, I'm
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: not like any of them else, but you know, if
• 44:06
  Speaker 21: you zoom slightly to the left on any of just
• 44:08
  Speaker 21: sit down. It's important press conferences. You see Ben Carroll
• 44:11
  Speaker 21: and I also love like he's like, I'm not Dan Andrews.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I am not Dan Andrews.
• 44:15
  Speaker 21: And what is Dan Andrews done except put out of
• 44:17
  Speaker 21: bringing endorsement of how good mistayed?
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: And I'm sure Ben would have seen that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 21: I'm just gone, please, you are not helping.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it gets better than that, it gets even better
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: than that, because he's so embarrassed of his former colleagues
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and the people he works so hard to support that
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: he won't even say a premier of more than a
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: decade standing deserves a statue.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Have a look.
• 44:41
  Speaker 22: I have nothing to say on that, and that he's
• 44:48
  Speaker 22: not a priority of mine. He's not a priority of mine.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to he doesn't want to reindorse Dan
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Andrews with a statue, just to I reckon he looked
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: like a statue when he was trying not to answer that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 20: I would just say to this to the people of Victoria,
• 45:09
  Speaker 20: get used to it, because that's what it's going to be.
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: I'm telling you.
• 45:13
  Speaker 20: There was a picture floating around today of him with
• 45:15
  Speaker 20: his notes in front of him yesterday.
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: Not that that would be a big shock. I've got
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: notes in front of me here.
• 45:20
  Speaker 20: But on those notes, it's going to be clear that
• 45:24
  Speaker 20: he will do this constantly. Anything to do with the
• 45:28
  Speaker 20: other government, he's going to get himself as far away
• 45:30
  Speaker 20: or not comment at all and.
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: Just rush for the finishing line.
• 45:33
  Speaker 20: It's actually really politically whether I'm not sure it's going
• 45:36
  Speaker 20: to be great for the state politically, it's a very
• 45:38
  Speaker 20: smart tactic.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Well, but it's also been done, It's been tried so
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: many times before.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I wrote about it back.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: In the nineteen nineties as the pole pot strategy.
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: That is, there's the year zero.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yesterday was the year zero, there was no history.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Apparently.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I want to go back to yesterday, though, James, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: show you my favorite quote from Ben Carroll yesterday.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Have a look.
• 46:03
  Speaker 22: We are saying enough is enough. In my government, integrity
• 46:10
  Speaker 22: will not be optional.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: So it's been optional apparently the past dozen years.
• 46:16
  Speaker 21: I think so. And it's hard for him to sell
• 46:18
  Speaker 21: that when like a couple of weeks ago, he's out
• 46:19
  Speaker 21: of the press conference going I would never roll this
• 46:22
  Speaker 21: into Alan and look my daughter in the eyes of
• 46:24
  Speaker 21: whatever combination that was, because like that, you know, if
• 46:27
  Speaker 21: you're going to sell yourself on integrity, you need to
• 46:29
  Speaker 21: have that perfect record.
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: And again we say this is.
• 46:32
  Speaker 20: Not new, though it is. Let's just not new, James.
• 46:36
  Speaker 20: All politicians have been doing this since the dawn of time.
• 46:40
  Speaker 20: Yourself have been saying I support my leader and then
• 46:43
  Speaker 20: they roll the leader.
• 46:44
  Speaker 21: But you yourself just said, like this could be the
• 46:47
  Speaker 21: thing that Victorian Labor used to get back in Paris
• 46:49
  Speaker 21: politically smart, but hopefully the Victorian people are smart him.
• 46:53
  Speaker 21: This old political strategy because yeah, like my government is
• 46:57
  Speaker 21: one of integrity. He's been serving in in integ government.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Integrity starts today and I've never heard of Dan Andrews
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: or just Into Allen.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: It's playing voters for fools.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: It's treating Victorians like they're idiots. But anyway, we'll keep
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: an eye and it'll be a lot of fun. I
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts on something totally different today.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Because there was a story that caught my eye in
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: the Australian.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Now, the good news is that the Australian divorce rate
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: is dropping, but justin there was a suggestion that this
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: was happening because times are tough and people can't afford
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: to sort of split.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Up their assets or whatever.
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: I would have thought it's.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: More straightforward than that, because the marriage rate dropped off
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: dramatically during COVID. Now, if you have fewer marriages to
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: fewer divorces, right.
• 47:41
  Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, and times have changed a bit. I mean
• 47:44
  Speaker 20: people don't necessarily get married. You know, they might just
• 47:47
  Speaker 20: either live together or just you know, you know, move
• 47:52
  Speaker 20: around from person to person, but they don't get married
• 47:55
  Speaker 20: like they used to. Not not not really, times have changed.
• 47:58
  Speaker 20: So look at this the business about it being it's
• 48:01
  Speaker 20: expensive to get married. Let's ease a shock for you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 20: It's expensive to get married, it's expensive to live together,
• 48:06
  Speaker 20: it's expensive to split up.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I can confirm all of those. But James, you're relatively
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: newly married. But it's encouraging that there are a few divorces.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 21: I think it's partly because couples live together before they
• 48:19
  Speaker 21: get married, so you kind of know, like you've got
• 48:21
  Speaker 21: a test case whether or not we're compatible. But to
• 48:23
  Speaker 21: be honest, I actually do think like the lower divorce
• 48:25
  Speaker 21: raise is part of because of the cost of living.
• 48:27
  Speaker 21: As you know, Justin said there, like it is expensive.
• 48:30
  Speaker 21: You've got to think about houses, You've got to think
• 48:32
  Speaker 21: about where you're going to live next, You've got to
• 48:33
  Speaker 21: think about cars, etcetera.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: All these things.
• 48:35
  Speaker 21: I mean, people are struggling to pay their regular day
• 48:37
  Speaker 21: to day energy bills. Imagine all those extra expenses you'd
• 48:40
  Speaker 21: have to think about.
• 48:41
  Speaker 11: People are just sticking it out. Great to talk to
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: you both again, James, stay together, We.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Stick together, James Bolton, Justin Smith, thanks so much for
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: joining me a little time just to squeeze into some
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: of your feedback from what we had to say last
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: night about Zorn Mum Darney and those state run grocery
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: stores in New York City. One viewer says, I'm Russian
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: and I still can't believe how dumb those New Yorkers are.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: And when the government subsidizes it, it really means taxpayers
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: pay for it. Look for higher taxes and more government control,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: which slowly strangles a free society. Nothing is free, and
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: ask the Russians how their government runs supermarkets went during communism.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Will actually we showed you last night Breadlines. Thanks for watching,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow night.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Here's Peter Kredlin.