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Hubby Comes Home With Flowers, Finds Wife Nude, Dead in Pool of Blood · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Mystery swirling around a gorgeous socialite. I Meancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this country clip said, absolutely, she
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Speaker 1: looked like she would hang out with that kind of
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Speaker 1: affluent crowd. Everyone said they were just wonderful people and
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Speaker 1: very much in love. The Hamilton's are a well known
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Speaker 1: and socially prominent couple in Oklahoma. It is a second
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Speaker 1: marriage for both. John Hamilton is a successful physician specializing
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Speaker 1: in obstetrics and gynecology. Susan Hamilton is her husband's business manager,
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Speaker 1: running his clinic, usually spending two days a week in
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Speaker 1: the office. The couple has been married for nearly fifteen
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Speaker 1: years and do all things that most married couples do.
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Speaker 1: They lunch together twice a week, take vacations, including jetting
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Speaker 1: away for weekends on what the couple calls they're quick
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Speaker 1: fix trips. Quick fix strips sounds like quick, expensive fixed trips,
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Speaker 1: jetting away at the last moment on a weekend on
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Speaker 1: a plane, but it sounds like happy marriage. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at KWTV and Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com but the first thing I heard from a KWTV
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Speaker 1: was country club set. To Alicia Dean joining us to crime,
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Speaker 1: author and blogger, author of Death Notice, the Monroe Donovan series, Alicia,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What exactly does that mean?
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Speaker 1: The country club set? They were members of the Quill
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Speaker 1: Creek Country Club. It's an affluent country club here in
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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City metro area, and they lived, you know,
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Speaker 1: the lifestyle that went along with that. I woh tell
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Speaker 1: me about it, because I didn't even know what a
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Speaker 1: country club was until I guess I was in all
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Speaker 1: it's maybe high school. Okay, tell me all about the
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Speaker 1: country club set. I want to hear the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: It just involves there's you know, the golf course. It
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Speaker 1: involves lavish dinners and parties. I'm sorry, it sounds good
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Speaker 1: to me. Golf. I don't know, no offense to all
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Speaker 1: of you golfers, but how can you spend eight or
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Speaker 1: nine hours in one day on the golf course. Doesn't
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Speaker 1: anybody have to go to work or take care of
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Speaker 1: their children. And don't start with it's a weekend. There's
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Speaker 1: still children on the weekend. I guess maybe if you're
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Speaker 1: retired and you're not working and you're not raising children.
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Speaker 1: That's fine. Go fritter away nine hours on the golf
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Speaker 1: course if you can afford it. Fredis is joining me. Now.
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Speaker 1: You may know his name. He's a high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma, and he's a former minority leader in
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma House of Representatives. He's the author of Oklahoma's most
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Speaker 1: Notorious Crimes. That's a heck of a read, right there, Kent,
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Speaker 1: Fredus Kent, tell me about this Quill Creek country Club. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you doctor Hamilton. I don't get the
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Speaker 1: wrong impression of him. He was a very hard working doctor.
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Speaker 1: He was a very professional and successful doctor. He was
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Speaker 1: also a controversial doctor because, besides being an obgyn, he
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Speaker 1: had an abortion clinic. Oh dear Lord in Heaven, you're
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Speaker 1: not dragging an abortion into it, are you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you don't want an abortion, don't have one. Can
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Speaker 1: you just tell me about Quail Creek Country Club? Because
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Speaker 1: right now I don't care if the doctor performed an abortion.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the country club, all right. The country
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Speaker 1: club is, as described, an country club for affluent people
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Speaker 1: in northwest Oklahoma City. I think it is. It is
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Speaker 1: surrounded by houses very very nice residences. And the Hamilton's
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Speaker 1: lived in one of those houses. They were part of
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Speaker 1: that entire community. Okay, now this is what I know.
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Speaker 1: That the Quell Creek Country Club is billed as Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: City's premier destination for over sixty years, a family country club,
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Speaker 1: and in all of the advertising it's all about families.
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Speaker 1: They have social events, a social calendar full, they say,
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Speaker 1: a fun, exciting events for members to enjoy year round. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what more do I know? Let's see here pasta night seafood, buffet, night,
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Speaker 1: father daughter dinner, dance. Let's see what else do they
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Speaker 1: have besides just food? Okay, cooking classes with chefs, wine, dinners,
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Speaker 1: the little members have fun at kids and movie nights
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Speaker 1: and kids and night out. That sounds like a night
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Speaker 1: for the parents to dump their kids. Trivia sing oh
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Speaker 1: in the restaurant, Tennis mixers, wine and beer, dinners, happy hour,
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Speaker 1: character brunch, Valentine's Day, that that's important, Quill Creek Corral, Easter, egg, Hunt's,
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Speaker 1: Mother's Day, blah blah blah blah, Men's grill, Christmas Party okay,
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Speaker 1: Santa Brunch boo bash okay, and all the pictures have Okay,
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Speaker 1: never mind, there's some people. Everybody's holding an opaque cup.
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Speaker 1: I think I know what's going on there. But I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at Quail Creek Country Club. It's beautiful, it's wow.
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Speaker 1: At one point it says host an event, and it
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Speaker 1: shows this gigantic It looks like the ballroom in Beauty
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Speaker 1: and the Beast. That's what it looks like. Oh there's
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Speaker 1: a rotunda. When I hear that, I know that's a
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Speaker 1: big structure and somebody very important is going to be
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Speaker 1: there very soon. Let's see here, the pheasant Room, the
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Speaker 1: Partridge room. This is one exclusive place. Now what does
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Speaker 1: that have to do with this? Well, you stated Kent
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Speaker 1: Fredas if I am correct that their home was once
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Speaker 1: situated around the golf course. Is that correct? Did it
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Speaker 1: border the golf course also Curious Creek, which runs through
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Speaker 1: the whole edition. I'm just wondering who could see into
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Speaker 1: the home from that golf course. Now I am not
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Speaker 1: a golfer, but i have been to a lot of
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Speaker 1: charity golf events and I've always noticed these beautiful, fantastic
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Speaker 1: homes on the edges of golf courses, and they all
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Speaker 1: seem to have big picture windows. Of course, they do
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Speaker 1: because you look out at nothing but green trees and
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Speaker 1: manicured lawns, and I always think, well, they're enjoying the view.
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Speaker 1: But I wonder if there's a reverse view for people
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Speaker 1: on that golf all men. No offense to you men
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Speaker 1: on the panel, But doctor Angie, you know where I'm
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Speaker 1: going with this. With me, we're noown psychiatrist, Doctor Angela Arnold.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Just as much as you're looking out of the golf course,
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Speaker 1: all these men you don't know are walking by and
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Speaker 1: driving by on their golf carts looking at you. Whether
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Speaker 1: you think about it or not, Doctor Angie, I don't
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Speaker 1: like that, I know. And not only the men on
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Speaker 1: the golf course. What about the people that are taking
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Speaker 1: care of the golf course. I'd probably be more afraid
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Speaker 1: of than me and golfing, because it's my opinion they
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Speaker 1: most most of them have a snootful and they're out
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Speaker 1: there drinking and golfing. You know, people do things when
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Speaker 1: they're drinking they wouldn't normally do, correct. But yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole other group of manicure lawn groomers and
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Speaker 1: manicurists and golf experts out there taking care of the Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you don't know who's out there looking in your picture window.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead and Angie, see they can go by. They've
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Speaker 1: gone by time after time after time, and it's easy
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Speaker 1: for someone to stalk a property like that without anybody
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Speaker 1: even really knowing it. You're right, You're absolutely right. And
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Speaker 1: I also heard is this correct? Alicia Dean is with me,
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Speaker 1: true crime author and blogger that she, the wife Susan Hamilton,
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Speaker 1: was like the business manager or the secretary at his
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Speaker 1: the husband's doctor John Baxter Hamilton ob practice. She worked
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Speaker 1: in his office. Yes, that's correct. She was the office manager,
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Speaker 1: and she handled his books and oversaw the nursing staff.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I've tried often and you'll enjoy this,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, to snoop whatever my husband's doing at work?
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you when I tried to read his
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Speaker 1: emails a couple of times by Isa Blood, it was
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Speaker 1: so boring. Every time I ambushed him at his office,
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Speaker 1: he's doing the same thing. He's on a conference call,
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Speaker 1: minding his own business. I always catch him being good,
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Speaker 1: So that really hasn't helped me to just be right
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Speaker 1: there at his office. But here it sounds like she's
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Speaker 1: actually helping him. Time stories with Nancy Grace Guys. Let's
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Speaker 1: advance into the mystery surrounding this gorgeous socialite Susan Hamilton. Listen.
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Speaker 1: On Valentine's Day, Doctor John Hamilton arrives at the Surgic
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Speaker 1: Care Center across the street from Mercy Hospital between sixty
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Speaker 1: five and seven am. He performs the surgery, which is
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Speaker 1: completed by seven forty five. Within fifteen minutes, Hamilton calls
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Speaker 1: the scheduling coordinator and asks her to move up an
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Speaker 1: operation scheduled to start at nine. The coordinator, or believes
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Speaker 1: Hamilton kid gets started at eight forty five. Hamilton asks
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Speaker 1: to be paged when the patient is wheeled in at
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Speaker 1: nine a m. Hamilton responds to the page saying he's
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Speaker 1: on his way. About nine to fifteen, Hamilton arrives, apologizing
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Speaker 1: for being late, saying he has been delayed buying a
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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day present for his wife. I had gone into
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Speaker 1: the doctor's lounge to dictate the procedure and he was
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Speaker 1: in there. He was talking on the phone. I sounded
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Speaker 1: like he was talking to Susan. Just a very lighthearted
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Speaker 1: conversation Okay, you're hearing not only our friends at crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com, but you're also hearing Hamilton's former partner
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Speaker 1: speaking to Dateline. So let me understand to you anyone
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Speaker 1: that knows Alicia Dane or Kimp Fredis, what was the
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Speaker 1: procedure he was performing? Do we know that morning that
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Speaker 1: he could schedule it right down to the quarter hour.
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Speaker 1: The second procedure was the removal of an ovarian cyst. Okay,
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Speaker 1: because you know, it's so interesting as if it's, for instance,
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Speaker 1: a C section, they have them lined up like it's
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Speaker 1: you know, a conference call. It's just and it's right
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Speaker 1: on time. That said, then we hear the partner, the
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Speaker 1: doctor Karen Risin speaking that she heard him on the
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Speaker 1: phone speaking to his wife, Susan just before the procedure.
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Speaker 1: Guys with me an all star panel. You heard Kent
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Speaker 1: Freda's high profile lawyer out of Oklahoma, doctor Angela Arnold.
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Speaker 1: Renowned psychiatrist Tom Bevil is joining me, the president of
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Speaker 1: Bevil Gardner and Associates, Inc. Also author of blood Stained
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Speaker 1: Pattern Analysis with an intro to crime Scene Analysis. Oh, Tom,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that about you. My interest has just
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Speaker 1: been heightened in you as an individual, doctor Michelle Dupree
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Speaker 1: joining me. You know her, well famed forensic pathologist and
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Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, And of course you
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Speaker 1: know true crime author and blogger Alicia Dean. So it's
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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day and here he is juggling not only procedure
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Speaker 1: after procedure after a procedure, but he actually darted out,
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Speaker 1: moving one procedure earlier to eight forty five am. He
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Speaker 1: darted out to get something for his wife for Valentine's Day.
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Speaker 1: But listen to this. Come on, my wife, my wife,
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Speaker 1: my wife. Life in my working is red bird bird. Doctor.
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Speaker 1: I've been trying to keep your pretend somebody I cannot bringing.
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Speaker 1: I don't get Yeah, I'm gonna hang up. Okay you
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Speaker 1: hear a frantic and distraught doctor Hamilton calling about his
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Speaker 1: wife to Alicia Dean, true crime author and blogger. He
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Speaker 1: came home to find what exactly he came home to
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Speaker 1: find um the door unlocked. He called out his wife
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Speaker 1: and she didn't respond. He made his way into the
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Speaker 1: master bath, where he found her in a mess of
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Speaker 1: a bloody pool and attempted to perform CPR. There was
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Speaker 1: blood all over the bathroom, all over her and she
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Speaker 1: was severely bloodied, and he had just spoken to her
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Speaker 1: in the doctor's lounge. Listen to our friends at Dayline
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Speaker 1: and forensic files. Susan lying beaten and strangled on their
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Speaker 1: bathroom floor, her head bludgeon surrounded by a pool of
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Speaker 1: her face savage, almost unrecognizable. She had been strangled with
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Speaker 1: some neckties. Then the perpetrator drove her head onto the
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Speaker 1: floor many times. Death was caused by repeated blows to
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Speaker 1: her head with a blunt object. So this gorgeous socialite,
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Speaker 1: Susan Hamilton was killed two times over, angled with neckties
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Speaker 1: and then bludgend in the bathroom floor. And I can
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Speaker 1: only assume, can't fredus a high profile lawyer out of
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City, that she was naked? Correct? In the bathroom?
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Speaker 1: That's correct. There was a rap found on the floor
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Speaker 1: of the master bathroom. You mean like a housecoat cover
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Speaker 1: up type rap was found on the floor. But she
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Speaker 1: was naked. Was she getting in or out of the tub?
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Speaker 1: Do you know? Ki? That was unclear? However, her hair
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Speaker 1: was what so she may have just been in the
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Speaker 1: shower almost as it sounds like a horror movie, you know,
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Speaker 1: where the purp sneaks in the woman's in the shower
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Speaker 1: and then he kills her. Kind of a psycho thing. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: Can Fred tell me what you know about the crime scene?
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Speaker 1: What do you know specifically the bathroom? Well, this was
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Speaker 1: the master bathroom room of their house that you've described
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Speaker 1: in Quail Creek Idiots. About six or seven minutes drive
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Speaker 1: from Mercy Hospital two. Doctor Michelle dupre joining me. We're
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Speaker 1: now forensic pathologist and author and medical examiner, doctor Dupree.
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Speaker 1: It's my understanding that two neckties were wrapped around her
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Speaker 1: neck and her skull had been bashed with such force
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Speaker 1: her brain was actually visible. Yes, Nancy, I mean this
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Speaker 1: is a traumatic obviously, and to me this tells me
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Speaker 1: that this is overkill. I mean, you strangle someone and
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Speaker 1: then you bash their heads so hard that the brain
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Speaker 1: is showing, that's overkill. This is a rage. This was
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Speaker 1: very personal. You know what it's reminding me of is
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Speaker 1: Jody Arius exactly remember her rage. She and her victim,
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Speaker 1: Chrevis Alexander, had been dating. She was obsessed and stalking him.
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Speaker 1: After the breakup, got a date with another woman to
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Speaker 1: go I think it was to King Kim. She travels
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Speaker 1: in secret, literally across the desert to his place. They
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Speaker 1: have a marathon day of sex, and then he's still
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Speaker 1: is sticking to his guns about taking the other woman
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Speaker 1: to King Kim. So she stabs him, we believe twenty
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Speaker 1: nine to thirty times, and then shoots him in the
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Speaker 1: head exactly again, this is the same type of rage
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Speaker 1: that I would see in this type of crime scene.
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Speaker 1: And you know what's interesting, well, so much is interesting
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Speaker 1: to Tom Bevill joining me, expert in crime scene analysis
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Speaker 1: and blood pattern to when you have a random attacker,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to stick around to kill the person twice.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're not going to shoot them then stab them,
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Speaker 1: then run over them in the car, all right, and
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Speaker 1: then force poison down their mouth. That's not happening. If
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Speaker 1: this was a rape or someone coming into burgle, they
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Speaker 1: would see her and typically run or if they're going
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Speaker 1: to kill her, that hit her over the head or
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Speaker 1: strangle her one or the other and leave. And that
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Speaker 1: in itself for a burglar to kill is also rare.
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Speaker 1: And her car was there, to my understanding, so burglar
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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't come in. But even if they did tom
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Speaker 1: bebel they wouldn't kill her two times over, It wouldn't
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Speaker 1: take the time. Well, actually that's correct. In most cases,
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Speaker 1: if a person is suddenly confronted by the owner of
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Speaker 1: the house, the usual thing that occurs is they fleave.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry what that They fleave the scene. In other words,
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Speaker 1: they don't want the confrontation. They want to get out
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Speaker 1: of the scene. And your question relative to being killed twice,
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Speaker 1: there are several things that are interesting. There the netie
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Speaker 1: that has created two separate leving your wife around the
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Speaker 1: net in between them, there is a fingernail mark which
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Speaker 1: is coming from Susan, which is an indication that during
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Speaker 1: the strangulation, she isn't fasted, still alive. You know what,
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Speaker 1: tom Beville, You're really good. So there's a fingernail mark
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Speaker 1: off her own probably trying to get hands or the
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Speaker 1: neck ties off her neck, struggling fighting at her own neck,
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Speaker 1: which means if you see the fingernail mark and there's blood,
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Speaker 1: that would probably mean she was still alive or else
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't be bleeding because your heart is no longer pumping.
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Speaker 1: You explain that, doctor, Michelle Dufrey, Yes, because actually, if
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Speaker 1: your heart is still pumping, then of course blood is
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Speaker 1: still circulating. And when blood is circulating, DA, then that
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Speaker 1: person who's usually still a lot guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the medical examiner in that jurisdiction, doctor Jeffrey golf
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Speaker 1: To speaking to forensic The wound her forehead or the
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Speaker 1: left side of her head was substantial and massive. That
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Speaker 1: weapon has to be a weapon of opportunity. Investigators discovered
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Speaker 1: what may have been the murder weapon. The Hamilton's maid
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Speaker 1: said that a marble figurine from the bathroom was missing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: ken't Freda's joining me, high profile lawyer out of Oklahoma City.
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Speaker 1: Can't a marble figurine was missing? Well, that evidence did
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Speaker 1: not develop at first they thought that, but there was
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Speaker 1: no corroboration of that. So at first we think possibly
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Speaker 1: a marble figurine was a murder weapon. To doctor Michel Dupree,
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Speaker 1: would you be able to look at the wound to
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Speaker 1: the head, the skull fracture and determine if that had
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Speaker 1: been the murder weapon? Yes, and in all probability, we
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Speaker 1: call these pattern injuries, and pattern injuries can tell us
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Speaker 1: what type of weapon and perhaps the actual weapon. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we would want to compare anything sound on that on
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Speaker 1: the weapon to make sure that there was hair or
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Speaker 1: blow or DNA or whatever. But yes, we should be
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Speaker 1: able to tell what type of weapon was used. Can't
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Speaker 1: Freda's joining us out of Oklahoma City? Was that figuring? Ever? Found?
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Speaker 1: Who would have come in and murder this gorgeous young socialite,
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Speaker 1: seemingly with everything to live for. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at forensic house. In a search for suspects,
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Speaker 1: investigators learned that an anti abortion group planned a demonstration
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Speaker 1: in front of the Hamilton's home. We were able to
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Speaker 1: determine that the house had been picketed, as well as
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Speaker 1: a permit to picket that residence had been attained within
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Speaker 1: a month of the time of this homicide. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: can't Fredas I guess now you can tell me how
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Speaker 1: wrong I am. You're right, abortion does come into this
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Speaker 1: because people were at the home picketing. But there is
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Speaker 1: a dichotomy. Knt fhreates is someone that would go to
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Speaker 1: the trouble of getting a permit to pick it and
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Speaker 1: then breaking in to commit murder on top of murder, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's true, but they had also received death threats and
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Speaker 1: hang up calls, anonymous calls by telephone, and one group
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Speaker 1: had created a wanted poster that identified doctor Hamilton has
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Speaker 1: wanted debt or alive Well Curious Tom Bevill with Me
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Speaker 1: is a high profile expert witness and president of Bevill
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Speaker 1: Gardner and Associates in Edmund, Oklahoma at Bevill gardner dot com. Tom.
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Speaker 1: That wanted poster that Kent Fredas is talking about. The
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Speaker 1: wanted poster was for doctor Hamilton, the husband because he
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Speaker 1: performed abortions. Who was obg y incline? Not the wife?
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Speaker 1: Is that a little fantastical to you? That? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know every once in a while Peter will go
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Speaker 1: crazy and throw blood on somebody and their wife standing there.
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Speaker 1: But to go murder the wife when you're angry at
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Speaker 1: the doctor, that sounds like a fifth grade girl's novel. Well,
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Speaker 1: it certainly isn't the person that you would expect to
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Speaker 1: be targeted. In addition to that, we talked previously about
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Speaker 1: the two ties, and it's of interest that a stranger
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Speaker 1: takes the opportunity to get two ties that belong to
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Speaker 1: doctor Hamilton out of the closet to come back in
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Speaker 1: order to strangle her again. I don't see that as
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Speaker 1: a stranger or a person that is associated with the poster.
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Speaker 1: I agree. Who would take the time to do that?
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Speaker 1: It reminds me so much of the John and a
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Speaker 1: Ramsey case where someone breaks into the home then takes
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Speaker 1: the time to kick back on the den sofa and
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Speaker 1: write not one but two a practice and a for
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Speaker 1: real two or three page ransom note, not at all
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Speaker 1: concerned they're going to be caught. But then what about
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Speaker 1: the climb scene? What would you be looking for at
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Speaker 1: the crime scene, doctor dupree fancy, I would be looking
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Speaker 1: at the entire spectrum of things. Look for any disarray,
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Speaker 1: look for any blood spatter, any tracks, any available hair's
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Speaker 1: fibers or anything that doesn't belong there, anything that is
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Speaker 1: going to tell us, you know, basically, sort of what happened,
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Speaker 1: where it happened, and even a timeframe. I'd be looking
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Speaker 1: at the blood on the floor. Is it drives? How
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Speaker 1: much of it is? Drive? Show me the pattern. I
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Speaker 1: want to know everything about that scene. And joining me
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Speaker 1: is a special Yes, Tom Beville, expert witness Tom, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the blood in this particular bathroom in Susan
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Speaker 1: Hamilton's bathroom. Well, there's an awful lot of different types
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Speaker 1: of blood. Doctor Dupres is correct and looking at the
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Speaker 1: various types for locations any disturbances. One of the things
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Speaker 1: up interest is the blood pool that is above the
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Speaker 1: right side of her head at the time the picture
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Speaker 1: was taken. The blood is drying from the outside edges
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Speaker 1: inward and it is already crusting, which is showing a
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Speaker 1: period of time that has elapsed from the time that
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Speaker 1: this has occurred. There is evidence in blood that blood
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Speaker 1: has accumulated on the floor and then subsequently her head
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Speaker 1: is driven forcefully into that blood pool, so forcefully that
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Speaker 1: it is projected blood over to a cabinet door where
24:53
Speaker 1: you have a slight, you know, area where the foot
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Speaker 1: could go under, but it that blood has hit so
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Speaker 1: forcefully that it ricochets up into the inside of the
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Speaker 1: door that was closed. Again very very forceful. For that
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Speaker 1: to have occurred to the right side of her, we
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Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of blood that has been disturbed
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Speaker 1: and smeared. This actually is consistent that doctor Hamilton stated
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Speaker 1: that he was on her right side when he rolled
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Speaker 1: her and then subsequently did CPR. Yeah, because when police
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Speaker 1: and AMT's got there, he was covered in blood and
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Speaker 1: he had was frantic having performed CPR, and he returned
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Speaker 1: home after that first seven am surgery to give her
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Speaker 1: her Valentine's Day's gift, and then after nine he would
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Speaker 1: turn back for the next surgery, and he was heard
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Speaker 1: on the phone talking to the wife, Well, what more
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Speaker 1: do we know about the crime scene? Take a listen.
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Speaker 1: On the kitchen counter they found the Valentine's Day card
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Speaker 1: John purchased for his wife, and the card read, we
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Speaker 1: are important carrying people together. My life would be incomplete
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Speaker 1: without you. I love you John. My life would being
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Speaker 1: complete without you. I love you John. And of course
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Speaker 1: she has a Valentine's card for him as well. Listen.
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Speaker 1: The card Susan gave to her husband had an entirely
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Speaker 1: different message. One of the captions she had written herself said,
26:39
Speaker 1: obviously I bought this card before last Monday. Then as
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Speaker 1: you opened the card and began to read the inside
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Speaker 1: of it, she had written, I bought this card two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, so they don't seem as appropriate now, I
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Speaker 1: love you, signed Susan Hamilton. Okay, what she has written
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Speaker 1: him a Valentine's card and says, you know I'm this
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Speaker 1: two weeks ago it's kind of inappropriate. Now, why listen
27:06
Speaker 1: to our friends at KWTV. There was accusations that he
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Speaker 1: was having an affair with one of his clients, who
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Speaker 1: was a topless dancer. And this came from phone calls
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Speaker 1: that Susan Hamilton had gotten to hold of. Can't freydis
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Speaker 1: what what phone calls did she get a hold of? Well,
27:23
Speaker 1: outwardly their marriage was very loving and very in very
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Speaker 1: good shape, it turned out that actually they were having
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Speaker 1: some marital difficulty. I guess so because when you're checking
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Speaker 1: her husband's cell phone, the last thing I have had
27:38
Speaker 1: time to do is to check David Lynch's cell phone. Um,
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Speaker 1: can't what were the calls she got a hold of?
27:44
Speaker 1: What were they? What did she see on the phone register? Well,
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Speaker 1: he had been calling a woman who was a patient
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Speaker 1: who was also a topless dancer. What wait, wait stop
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Speaker 1: Alicia Deane, topless dancer who says that anymore she's a stripper?
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Speaker 1: Can't fraid is she really do know what happen? You
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Speaker 1: really are putting perfume on the pig there? Topless dancer
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Speaker 1: like what she studied dancing on Broadway? I mean Alicia Dane,
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Speaker 1: who's the woman who's the stripper. Her name is Nina,
28:22
Speaker 1: and of course it is go ahead. She was a
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Speaker 1: patient of doctor Hamilton's and he was speaking with her
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Speaker 1: to try to she was depressed. He was providing her
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Speaker 1: with birth control shots. Oh what shot? Birth control shots? Injections? Okay,
28:43
Speaker 1: White depressed. She's depressed, doctor Angie. I'm not all about
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Speaker 1: an ob gyn giving me advice about my depression. And
28:52
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Now here, she goes, don't
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Speaker 1: give you advice about your depression. They send you to me.
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Speaker 1: They don't have time for that, nor the training, nor
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Speaker 1: the training for that exactly. And I'll tell you something, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Part of our training is that we set boundaries with
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Speaker 1: our patients. So sixty calls back and forth with a
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Speaker 1: stripper is expensive, can freda? So where she was upset,
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Speaker 1: sixty goals to a stripper. That's right, And that is
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. He waited as inocence, but she had
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Speaker 1: older neighbors that she no longer trusted him. Well, I
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Speaker 1: guess not, So how did that happen? I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to envision this Ryan In the middle of a pelvic exam,
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Speaker 1: she says, Oh, I'm so depressed. Okay, that's it. I
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Speaker 1: take listen to our friends at crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Susan Hamilton believed her husband was having an affair with
29:47
Speaker 1: a patient. It would not be unheard of, especially since
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Speaker 1: doctor Hamilton had cheated during his first marriage. Susan Hamilton
29:54
Speaker 1: found out doctor Hamilton had called the dancer more than
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Speaker 1: sixty times in a two month period. Doctor Hamilton denied it,
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Speaker 1: saying he was only trying to help a woman cope
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Speaker 1: with her depression. Susan Hamilton didn't believe him and confided
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Speaker 1: in friends and even moved out for a night. Information
30:12
Speaker 1: soon comes to light that the good doctor had been
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Speaker 1: to the so called Patients Club. The dancer had performed
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Speaker 1: a table dance for him for about one hundred dollars,
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Speaker 1: maybe more than once. One week before the Valentine's Day murder.
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Speaker 1: Susan Hamilton had made doctor Hamilton write a letter to
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Speaker 1: this dancer, refusing to be her doctor any further. Okay,
30:36
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what all we're learning from
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Speaker 1: this sixty phone calls in just two months. He says
30:44
Speaker 1: he's trying to help her cope with her depression. You know,
30:49
Speaker 1: no offense to all the men on the panel. But
30:52
Speaker 1: I'd like to go to you, doctor dupreetle. Let me
30:54
Speaker 1: just start with doctor Angie Arnold. She's a shrink. What
30:56
Speaker 1: is wrong with men? Seriously, not just rhetorical? Why do
31:01
Speaker 1: they always cheap down? You've got this beautiful woman. It's
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Speaker 1: his second go around. It ain't his first time at
31:07
Speaker 1: the rodeo. They can learn something the first marriage where
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Speaker 1: he cheated. Now he's got this gorgeous wife and he's
31:14
Speaker 1: doing it again with a stripper like what he thinks
31:18
Speaker 1: that he is more than an ATM to her. He's not.
31:22
Speaker 1: It's never enough. It's never enough. And I'm going to
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Speaker 1: tell you something. This man is a narcissist. Okay, that's
31:29
Speaker 1: why he has a beautiful wife also, but it's never enough.
31:33
Speaker 1: They need many different forms of supply, and for all
31:37
Speaker 1: we know, maybe his You know, you've been married to
31:40
Speaker 1: a guy for a little while. The wife wasn't giving
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Speaker 1: him psychologically everything that he wanted anymore to keep him
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Speaker 1: pumped up. What are you talking about? Are you somehow
31:50
Speaker 1: trying to blame the wife for him cheating? Oh God, no, sweetheart,
31:53
Speaker 1: Oh no. First of all, no g od on crime stories,
31:57
Speaker 1: do not pull God into this ood don't don't work
32:01
Speaker 1: that out. But that said, doctor Michelle Dupree, I know
32:08
Speaker 1: you're not a shrink, that you are an author, and
32:11
Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of dead bodies. Why why How
32:16
Speaker 1: often have you seen a man cheat and then somewhere
32:20
Speaker 1: somebody ends up dead out of the whole thing, Nancy,
32:22
Speaker 1: Too many times to count. I mean, in a situation
32:26
Speaker 1: like this, for whatever reason. When I was a homicide detective,
32:29
Speaker 1: one of the first things that we always looked at
32:30
Speaker 1: is the staff. It's just it's just the way it
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Speaker 1: is and with. But that does not answer my question
32:37
Speaker 1: why the men cheat down He's got this gorgeous wife.
32:42
Speaker 1: The first one is probably beautiful too, Nancy. If I
32:44
Speaker 1: could answer that question, I'd write a book. Alnicia Dean
32:47
Speaker 1: and kent't Freydus. Were these two married when they met?
32:52
Speaker 1: Were they married to other people when they met? No,
32:55
Speaker 1: they were both divorced. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now
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Speaker 1: that we know about the stripper, cops are looking at
33:17
Speaker 1: doctor Hamilton. Take a listen to our friends at Forensic Files.
33:20
Speaker 1: When reporters heard the tape of doctor Hamilton's nine one
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Speaker 1: one calling listen, I've been trying to please send something
33:28
Speaker 1: and if you listen to it over and over again,
33:30
Speaker 1: it sounds strange. So the local TV station sent the
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Speaker 1: tape to a company specializing in computer voice stress analysis.
33:39
Speaker 1: This doctor is not stressed to the degree that I
33:42
Speaker 1: would think he would be under those circumstances, which makes
33:45
Speaker 1: me feel very confident that he rehearsed this before he
33:48
Speaker 1: made his call. It's so interesting that they said rehearse
33:52
Speaker 1: this because Alicia Dean joining me true crime, author of
33:55
Speaker 1: Death Notice Them and wrote Donovan series. She said, Alicia
33:59
Speaker 1: Deane dot com, I was about to say, it sounds
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Speaker 1: like he's reading really quickly from a script. Yes, I agree,
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Speaker 1: it sounds unnatural and forced. There's no real grief for
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Speaker 1: hysteria in his voice. He's just it sounds like a
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Speaker 1: script that he's reading. It really does, It really does,
34:19
Speaker 1: and there's more listen. Homicide investigators started to question doctor
34:23
Speaker 1: Hamilton's unusual behavior captured on videotape just after the murder.
34:30
Speaker 1: He seemed to be out of control with emotions one
34:34
Speaker 1: way or another. He would get upset and start moving
34:37
Speaker 1: back and forth. He would start crying. It stops almost
34:41
Speaker 1: like he was acting. So here we have this bizarre
34:45
Speaker 1: behavior while he's talking to police and still taking him
34:50
Speaker 1: down to police headquarters is not unusual. He found the body.
34:54
Speaker 1: He's a husband, so describe from me. Can't fright us
34:57
Speaker 1: and Alicia Dane, what was his bizarre our behavior? First
35:01
Speaker 1: to you, Alicia, Well, first of all, in the cock
35:03
Speaker 1: car he was scraping his knuckles on the screen and
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Speaker 1: banking his head, just acting bizarre while they were they
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Speaker 1: had him in the patrol car as they were working
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Speaker 1: the scene. Of course, bizarre behavior during a police interrogation
35:20
Speaker 1: is not always that unusual. You never know what's going
35:23
Speaker 1: to happen when people are under the pressure of an interrogation.
35:28
Speaker 1: But there's more than just unusual behavior, because an affair
35:32
Speaker 1: and unusual behavior does not a murder defendant make. But
35:38
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at forensic files. Doctor
35:41
Speaker 1: Hamilton's claims present some major contradictions. I don't expect to
35:46
Speaker 1: find spatter I observed were present on the front of
35:51
Speaker 1: his shirt, below his neck, on both sleeves at the cuff.
35:57
Speaker 1: He suggested that he his arm, and his body had
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Speaker 1: been in close proximity to a spatter event. Scientists performed
36:05
Speaker 1: DNA testing on each and every blood stain on doctor
36:09
Speaker 1: Hamilton's shirt and shoes. It was all Susan's blood. There
36:14
Speaker 1: was blood found on the steering wheel, there was blood
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Speaker 1: found on the seat, and also some hair and tissue
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Speaker 1: found on the floor a driver's side. To Tom Bevill,
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Speaker 1: expert witness and President Bevel Gardner and associates in Edmund, Oklahoma, Tom,
36:33
Speaker 1: all of that blood evidence is extremely damning. I find
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Speaker 1: the most damning to be blood on the steering wheel,
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Speaker 1: hearing tissue on the floor of the driver's side, because
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Speaker 1: according to him, he was at the hospital or the
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Speaker 1: daughter's office. He comes home and finds her and calls
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Speaker 1: nine on one. There's no indication he ever went back
36:54
Speaker 1: to the car. But you're the expert, Tom Bevil, you
36:58
Speaker 1: explain to me the significance of the blood evidence, well,
37:01
Speaker 1: the tissue in blood that's found on the car and
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Speaker 1: sisogon and steering wheel. He actually does attempt to explain
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Speaker 1: that in that while he was doing CPR, he stated
37:16
Speaker 1: that he started thinking about the emergency vehicle having the
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Speaker 1: ability to get where it needed to be, and that
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Speaker 1: he quit doing CPR, ran out to try and move
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Speaker 1: the vehicle and got in the car and he was
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Speaker 1: shaking so vigorous lad that he couldn't put the key in,
37:36
Speaker 1: so we ended up leaving what the vehicle where it
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Speaker 1: was Okay, that would possibly explain the blood and the
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Speaker 1: tissue in the car. Of course, that's certainly not the
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Speaker 1: only possibility. There are other possibilities. What about the other
37:50
Speaker 1: blood spatter on the front of his shirt below the neck,
37:54
Speaker 1: on both sleeves at the cuff. For it to be
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Speaker 1: not a smear or a drop, for there to be spatter,
38:02
Speaker 1: spatter comes at the time of the gunshot or at
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Speaker 1: the time of the blow or the stabbing. Yes, the blood,
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Speaker 1: as far as spatter is concerned, there's none that I
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Speaker 1: recall immediately blows the neck on the front of the shirt.
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Speaker 1: There is, however, on the cuff, primarily on the right
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Speaker 1: side of the right cuff. It's also important here to
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Speaker 1: talk about poor blood is not because ultimately the excuse
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Speaker 1: for the spatter is doing CPR well. We have blood,
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Speaker 1: it seems, all over the floor, on the face, on
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Speaker 1: the arms. There is no blood on the sternum or
38:58
Speaker 1: also none on the abdomen, which is where firefire. Firefighter
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Speaker 1: Bradberry said that when he walked in the left hand
39:09
Speaker 1: was on the sternam the right hand was on the abdomen. Well,
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Speaker 1: neither of those places has an accumulation of blood that
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Speaker 1: is capable even if you hit into those areas of
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Speaker 1: creating spatter. That goes against the possibility of CPR having
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Speaker 1: created the spatter that we see on the shirt. There
39:30
Speaker 1: is another place where there was not any blood, and
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Speaker 1: that is there was no trail of bloody footprints either
39:37
Speaker 1: to the front or the back door. All of this
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Speaker 1: goes to a jury. Listen, John Hamilton was found guilty
39:47
Speaker 1: of his wife's murder and sentenced to life in prison
39:52
Speaker 1: with no possibility of parole. Our friends at Forensic File
39:56
Speaker 1: speaking to you, Tom Bevil, the expert witness in the
40:03
Speaker 1: John Hamilton trial, what do you think was the most
40:06
Speaker 1: the strongest evidence. Well, there's an awful lot of circumstantial
40:10
Speaker 1: evidence that certainly comes together in a holistic view, But
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Speaker 1: to me, the cuff was not included as being present
40:22
Speaker 1: if you look at the spatter on the outside of
40:24
Speaker 1: the cuff from the prosecution expert. However, in turning the
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Speaker 1: shirt inside out while examining it, I found over forty
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Speaker 1: directional impact spatter on the inside of the cuff. And
40:40
Speaker 1: what's important here also is that that is the double
40:43
Speaker 1: layer on the cuff, so it's not a bleed crew
40:47
Speaker 1: from the outside to the inside. All that is occurring
40:50
Speaker 1: to the inside of the cuff. And with a button shirt,
40:58
Speaker 1: long sleeve cuff, there is a very small opening that
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Speaker 1: is even capable for blood to go into the inside
41:10
Speaker 1: of the shirt. And it is certainly the type of
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Speaker 1: blood that is associated with an impact. If you have
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Speaker 1: a hand coming down and meeting resistance such as the skull,
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Speaker 1: that's the point where the cup is going to be
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Speaker 1: at its lowest point with that sudden stop, and that
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Speaker 1: allows an opening capable of the blood from the impact
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Speaker 1: going into and it's the right direction. It is not
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Speaker 1: consistent at all with CPR. Yeah, JOm Bebel, I can
41:48
Speaker 1: listen to you and can't freight us and Alicia Deane
41:51
Speaker 1: all day long as you analyze this case, the circumstantial evidence,
41:57
Speaker 1: the forensic evidence, the blood evidence. But this is what
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Speaker 1: I know. He did. It brought in hell Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crumb story signing off good bye to him.