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3. Creating Meaningful Days with Justin Jones-Fosu · Besties In Your Back Pocket

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SPEAKER_03: Welcome to Besties in Your Back Pocket.
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SPEAKER_03: This is Angela.
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SPEAKER_03: I am a trauma-informed comedian, and Amy's about it.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Amy.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright, hello everyone.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to Bessie's in your back pocket.
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SPEAKER_02: We got another one without sweet old Angela.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're sending her some big love today.
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SPEAKER_02: But we got another Bessie here today.
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SPEAKER_02: We got Justin.
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SPEAKER_02: And he is absolutely incredible.
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SPEAKER_02: I met him a few months ago.
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SPEAKER_02: He was one of the speakers at TEDx Asheville.
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SPEAKER_02: Blew me away.
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SPEAKER_02: Shut the front door.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I was just like, oh my god, Justin, the amount of heart in your talk.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I just remember leaving that and saying, whoa, it stuck with me.
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SPEAKER_02: And I mean, also as a speaker, you know, I think a lot of times I really realize that we don't remember a lot of the details of like something that someone said, but whoa, to this day, months and months later, I still remember how you made me feel.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I still remember the whoa, you connected me to my heart, and I could feel your passion on stage.
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SPEAKER_02: You just like enthusiastically moving around that red dot.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, this man is embodied in his truth.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and yeah, I'm so stoked to have you here.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for being here.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Amy.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
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SPEAKER_02: Justin is the founder of Work Meaningful, and he's a speaker and an author.
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SPEAKER_02: He wrote this incredible book right here, among many others, and we're gonna dive all into some really great conversations.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's get it in.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's freaking go.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so you talk a lot about meaningful work, obviously.
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SPEAKER_02: It's the freaking name of your company, but what actually like makes a life feel meaningful?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there are a lot of um different definitions around meaningful, meaningfulness.
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SPEAKER_00: So great research, there's a really good book called The Power of Meaning.
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SPEAKER_00: She goes through four pillars of meaning, which are you know, belonging, purpose, storytelling, and transcendence.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: What I like to distill it to is two different definitions.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you how they work together.
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SPEAKER_00: So the first, the definition of meaning or something that's meaningful, is that number one, it is something that's significant or purposeful to you.
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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SPEAKER_00: Number two, it's uh something that is aligned with your values.
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SPEAKER_00: And then number three, it's something that provides an impact for someone also could be yourself, right?
3:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I like to call that the go big is bigger than you kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_00: So um so those are the three things.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, what we focus on specifically around meaningful work is right, it's about how do we create meaning?
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SPEAKER_00: Because oftentimes when you people are talking and they're like, you know what, I had a really meaningful conversation the other day.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's normally reflective versus the intentionality behind it, is what what we call, you know, our our research is around creating meaning, right?
3:48
SPEAKER_00: And when you create meaning, you take the things that are significant, the things that are aligned with your values, and the things that provide impact to someone else, and all you do before that is add intentionality to it.
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SPEAKER_00: And so it's how can we create more meaningful days in our lives that's more proactive rather than a reactive?
4:03
SPEAKER_00: And so that's that's what our study of focus.
4:05
SPEAKER_02: Whoa, I'm obsessed.
4:07
SPEAKER_02: This is so great.
4:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I want to get all into the nitty-gritty of like how does somebody who's listening here who's like, Well, how do I do that?
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SPEAKER_02: How do I create with intention?
4:16
SPEAKER_02: I know you did like a whole study recently about about meaning.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's a lot of things.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll dive into just a couple, but we we just finished the national study on meaningful work in America, across the country, um, different industries, demographics, and we found some very interesting numbers, such as 67% of people said that uh 67, okay.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh 67% of people said it's really weird, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because we actually 67 is our favorite number for the work, and I'll tell you why in a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: But 67% of people said that meaningful work is more important than that, more important to them than high pay.
4:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah right?
4:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, so you're like, oh wow, right?
4:57
SPEAKER_00: Three out of four people said that uh meaningful work matters so much, right, that they would consider leaving a job because there was not meaningful work.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: Right?
5:06
SPEAKER_00: And so there's all these interesting things, and eight out of ten people were sharing that you know the meaningful work is an important part of their well-being.
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SPEAKER_00: And so if we have all these things that people are saying it, but most of the time what people are waiting for is it to show up.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's outside of them.
5:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
5:24
SPEAKER_00: It's my manager has to provide that for me.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, the situation, my job, my relationship.
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SPEAKER_00: And what our goal is for the everyday individual is how do you create more meaning every single day?
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SPEAKER_00: So give you one great example.
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SPEAKER_00: I call this create before you consume.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So one of the things that you can practically do instead of when you first wake up going to social media, news, or email, all those things, what if you protect the first 10 minutes of your day, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Set an alarm on your on your iPhone, protect the first 10 minutes and create before you consume.
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SPEAKER_00: So whatever is meaningful for you, whether that's meditation, prayer, um, exercise, reading, um, one of the things that I've started to do is to write out my perspective before my day.
6:06
SPEAKER_00: And that's I ask myself two questions.
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SPEAKER_00: Number one, what am I grateful for, or what are the wins that I've had since yesterday?
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SPEAKER_00: And then number two, is what am I looking forward to today?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Because psychologically, I now train my brain to look forward and engage things.
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SPEAKER_00: So those that's just one really practical way people can create meaning in a day.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, A, it's so simple.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just like setting the foundation that you're building the rest of your day on and like setting that intention.
6:29
SPEAKER_02: And it's it's not that big of a thing either.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not like you're asking someone like, let me overhaul my whole first and like perfect sir, yes, sir.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, it's like, oh yeah, I can like wake up and think about what I'm grateful for.
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SPEAKER_02: You can do that before you even like step out of your bed, quite frankly.
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SPEAKER_02: You can just like lay there and be like, Yeah, what am I grateful for?
6:48
SPEAKER_00: But we've we've trained our brains to go immediately to the news, or we're training through the social media or email.
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SPEAKER_00: And for me, my thing was ESPN.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: That's I love sports, right?
6:57
SPEAKER_00: And so I would wake up and I would like, all right, what'd they say on ESPN, right?
7:00
SPEAKER_00: And I'm consuming.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
7:02
SPEAKER_00: And but there's such a great power when we start our day with creation.
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SPEAKER_00: So powerful, it's powerful.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's like a spirit of aliveness in that.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that you know, the number of mut how much money you're making, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day if you're not feeling fulfilled by it, if you're not feeling like it fills you back up or that you're also contributing in some kind of way.
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SPEAKER_00: 100%.
7:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you oh my gosh, you you give me uh chills.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: Um I just came from Oregon speaking for a group, and um one of my self-care strategies, which we can talk about too, because that's a part of creating meaning in self-care, is um doing a quarterly hike, right, domestically, right?
7:40
SPEAKER_00: And so I was in Oregon, I was like, oh, it's a beautiful mountains, I'm gonna go hike.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I'm hiking up this mountain, Lava Butte.
7:46
SPEAKER_00: I was calling it but I was corrected.
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SPEAKER_00: Umte, I was like, it's French, but Lava Butte.
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SPEAKER_00: And as I got to the top, I heard this guy kind of say, Hey, how you doing?
7:59
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, hey.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: And so we had a conversation, this guy's named Joe, and Joe protects Oregon in that area from some of the forest fires that are actually happening right now.
8:11
SPEAKER_00: And um, he's looking out and he was like, I have a low-pay job.
8:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, this is a low-wage job, but I feel like what I do is so valuable and important, right?
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm not saying, I'm but I'm I'm gonna clarify because sometimes people we get into this juxtaposition around you can either have meaning or you have to have or you can have a high-paying job, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That's not what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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SPEAKER_00: It is asking the questions right where you are, what are things that you can do in your everyday work, in your everyday life to actually create that meaning?
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SPEAKER_00: Because whether you have a low-paying job, middle, high, yeah, we can all create meaning.
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SPEAKER_02: Totally.
8:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I think a lot of us get stuck in the what I call like the I'll be happy when.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'll be happy when this happens and this happens and this happens.
8:51
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, very often I think that whatever emotional home that we're living in, it's like whenever we reach the when that we're waiting for, it's only a matter of short time before we're like, oh, and now I'm back in the same place with just slightly different whatever when's around me.
9:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:07
SPEAKER_02: We just keep moving the goalpost.
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SPEAKER_02: So, how for somebody that's like, okay, I wanna like create meaning in my life, and I'm trying not to just, I don't know, think that my meaning lives in this, I don't know, whatever really far away thing.
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SPEAKER_02: How can I, I don't know, step into that today?
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SPEAKER_02: Like whether it's like my purpose or like does somebody have to create like a new job for themselves, or is it like finding meaning more so like in my job already that I have?
9:33
SPEAKER_00: Like what?
9:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's a couple of ways to approach this.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: It's a really good question because that's what we we often think when we hear meaning or meaningful work, right?
9:41
SPEAKER_00: I have to go become a monk for three months in the Himalayas, right?
9:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh yeah, my meaning.
9:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
9:48
SPEAKER_00: And really, what we call creating meaning is in the small intentional habits that we do every day, right?
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh, our model of creating meaning is called choose, commit, cultivate.
9:57
SPEAKER_00: Choose, commit, cultivate.
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SPEAKER_00: So research informal, and simply that we choose to take ownership right where we are today.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
10:02
SPEAKER_00: It's not anybody else's thing, it's focusing on what I can control, right?
10:06
SPEAKER_00: And the second is that we commit to small intentional actions each and every day.
10:10
SPEAKER_00: So give me a very practical one.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, the intentionality around uh what I call being a meaning multiplier, right?
10:17
SPEAKER_00: And so uh I just came, I was in the Alaska Lounge and I almost walked past the person who's working, right?
10:24
SPEAKER_00: And actually, I initially walked past him and didn't say anything.
10:30
SPEAKER_00: And I caught myself because I was like, man, I wonder how many people passed them by without even saying hello or acknowledging them.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: So I went back and said, I just want to say, hey, how you doing?
10:41
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for your work today.
10:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
10:43
SPEAKER_00: That cost me less than 30 seconds of my time.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: But that person felt seen.
10:49
SPEAKER_00: It it reminds me uh there was a study done on hospital cleaners, and they found out two different types of hospital cleaners.
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SPEAKER_00: One group they came, cleaned the hospital, and left.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: Makes sense, they were hospital cleaners.
10:59
SPEAKER_00: But another group, they found themselves as part of the mission of the hospital.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the things that they said was when um they felt unseen and not valued when people walked past them and didn't say hello, when didn't acknowledge them, when they felt invisible.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what if the way that we create more meaningful lives is making the invisible people feel visible again?
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: What if it's saying hello?
11:21
SPEAKER_00: What if it's, you know, when you're getting your your coffee, say, hey, how are you doing today?
11:25
SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate you being here.
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SPEAKER_00: Like just those small little moments that don't cost any extra money, but those are the moments where we actually create that helper's high because we're now providing value for someone, but we also get the same in return.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, it's so true.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that too, because I feel like what you're talking about, it almost doesn't matter what the circumstances of your life are right now.
11:46
SPEAKER_04: Correct.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm imagining, okay, like you could be having your rock bottom moment, even of like, I don't know, you lost your house, like you get divorced, whatever all the things are.
11:55
SPEAKER_02: Life hits you.
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SPEAKER_02: And you can still walk past somebody on the street and smile at them.
12:00
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: And make their day.
12:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: And make something, they create a real change, like a ripple effect.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I made one person uplifted, and then they're gonna have that same impact on the next person who's like, oh wow, like your presence, it just makes me feel a little bit lighter.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: And I I just feel like a hug internally when I talk to you.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's still so I mean, there was a guy from actually where I live in Concord, North Carolina, this four-year-old boy called Roman, and he's recently featured in the news because his parents had separated and he was feeling really lonely.
12:32
SPEAKER_00: And so he would he started going out into the yard, and everybody that walked by or came by, he would just wave and say hello.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: Right?
12:40
SPEAKER_00: And so this ripple effect was a moment where as he was saying hello to people, people would say hello to him, and they realized that this consistency, and so they don't started to notice that they started saying hello more to each other in a community that they weren't necessarily talking to each other.
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SPEAKER_00: And this little boy created such a ripple effect that the community now is caught coming together and talking and asking questions, and and the hellos have become community rather than, and so just that little simple thing of this little boy waving in his front yard to everybody saying hello, that makes a difference.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, why does that matter?
13:14
SPEAKER_00: That matters because we spend so much time normally focused on what we can't control, and we're giving it so much energy, but what if we can focus on what we can?
13:23
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and so that's that's the essence of choosing to step into that space.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so one small example for work could simply be a custodial staff member if you're working in an office of give them write them a handwritten note.
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SPEAKER_00: Write that person a handwritten note and let them know how much you're grateful, you're thankful, you appreciate their hard work.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: That's something simple you can do.
13:44
SPEAKER_00: Somebody on a call, if you're working remote and you're on a you know Zoom or Teams or whatever, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Just afterwards send somebody a little private message right during a meeting and saying, Hey, uh, I noticed your necklace today.
13:55
SPEAKER_00: It's a really, really nice necklace.
13:57
SPEAKER_00: These are small, simple things that allow us to be able to create meaning.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, right.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: And it takes like 60 seconds too.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just so simple.
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SPEAKER_02: These little, and I think we can get so caught up in modern culture of like, go, go, go, do, do, do, do, do, productive, productive, which kind of becomes very inward-focused as well, which I think is where a lot of mental health things can come, especially in my own experience and struggles with it, is in those moments where I was really struggling, I was like so focused on me.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like me, me, me, like what are my problems?
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SPEAKER_02: And then when I start to say, Oh, how can I just share some love with somebody else?
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SPEAKER_02: How can I just take 60 seconds out of my day to like send a little voice note of like appreciation to somebody, which takes no time at all?
14:37
SPEAKER_02: There's so much resistance sometimes.
14:39
SPEAKER_00: There is, right?
14:40
SPEAKER_00: And you're you're so spot on.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you brought that up because I think we sometimes get in this conversation, we start acting like we're perfect.
14:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: You just do these five steps, you'll get there, right?
14:50
SPEAKER_00: I've been focusing on this research for you know the company almost two decades now, and really lean into meaningful work, probably in the last decade or so.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: And in November and December of last year, I was really in a dark place.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: I was struggling, right?
15:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, I didn't want to be around people, and people know that for me that's hard.
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unknown: Yeah.
15:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh I was at the gym, didn't want to talk to people.
15:11
SPEAKER_00: I was just very surface level.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: I was really, really struggling personally, right?
15:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, bad, very, very, very challenging mental health.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: And I remember uh I went to this retreat and uh I didn't want to go, yeah, but because I paid for an August and I don't like wasting my money.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so I went to the retreat and they could sense my disposition because even after the formal aspect of the retreat, when people go and hang out, I would just go to my room.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: I didn't want to be around people.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: And then the the leader of the retreat, Sylvia DeGusto, she she noticed, and so a Tuesday of the retreat that morning, she said, Justin, um tomorrow I want you to present to us all the things you accomplished last year.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: Right?
15:54
SPEAKER_00: Because I was you know, part of my funk was I I feel like I felt like a failure.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: I felt like I didn't I didn't achieve enough, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The things I set out to achieve.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, Yeah, I've done that exercise already, right?
16:04
SPEAKER_00: Whatever, right?
16:05
SPEAKER_00: Um but the key of this was to write it down.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: So as I started writing, Amy, I literally that evening I started writing, and off my pen came 35 things that I'd accomplished last year.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: Things such as I got accepted to a Harvard management program, I backpacked Iceland, I took my kids to the beach, got accepted for my second TEDx, um, got a new book deal.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, and I started going through all of these things, both big and small, and as I was writing it out, it literally the the the heaviness lifted off of me.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: And so for some people that don't feel like, hey, I can't just go out and say hello to somebody because I feel broken.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: I want somebody to say hello to me.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: I want to encourage that person to consider um that moment of written reflection, not just reflection, but writing down, right?
17:00
SPEAKER_00: Exercise we use we call gratitude 67.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: But if you just literally sat there for just 15 to 20 minutes and simply write out 67 things of why you're grateful across all aspects of your life, you might find as you're writing a deeper appreciation for things that we often just normally miss.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: And so that's that's just one practical thing.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: If you find yourself in that space where I was in November, December, and I know you've probably been as well, that you know, like I just don't have the energy to say hello to somebody.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes take that energy, not for someone else, and take it for you.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you need to come up come to the place with that.
17:35
SPEAKER_02: It's so true.
17:36
SPEAKER_02: I thank you also just for sharing that because I think sometimes people can pedestal us of like, oh, you're the person with the microphone, and you stand on stage and you like have a whole like mission behind yourself.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: You have it all figured out.
17:49
SPEAKER_02: Look at you, must be pretty freaking nice.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, yeah, okay, we've I'm sure had our own heroes' journeys, and we're, you know, do have things to share with the world, and life still gets lifey, we still totally get stuck in the funk of it, and seasons of life smack us down hard sometimes.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I think maybe we just learn how to not get stuck in it as long, yeah, but it still hits us, and yeah, I think this is like dismantling some illusion that maybe people have sometimes like they're all perfect, and I have them all figured out, and it's just me over here, it's not just you, I promise.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, you don't have the word perfect in your mirror.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, like miss perfect.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: No, far from it, believe me.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
18:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, we have to fill our own cop up.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: You know, I think we all can reflect on that those days when somebody has said the thing to us and it's made our day.
18:46
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes like that doesn't just happen.
18:48
SPEAKER_02: Right.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: And we can be our own best friend, we can be our own hype woman.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing, like so what I want to challenge my I challenge myself instead of waiting for those moments, right?
18:59
SPEAKER_00: So we we created this um this challenge called a meaningful 67 challenge that we're we're launching uh in 2027, and we've been beta testing it, and um one of the things that's built into it is that written reflection, right?
19:15
SPEAKER_00: So it's a daily thing now, so I'm not waiting till a moment where I'm really struggling, but every day I'm taking a moment just to acknowledge things I normally wouldn't acknowledge.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: To what what do I appreciate today?
19:27
SPEAKER_00: Right?
19:28
SPEAKER_00: What am I looking forward to?
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Like when we start creating it as part of our daily rhythm, then I think you know it allows us to step into a place where I can now look at my work differently.
19:38
SPEAKER_00: It allows me to see it acknowledge more people because I first have acknowledged myself, right?
19:43
SPEAKER_00: And this is why I believe this statement is so true is that we can't pour from an empty cup, yes, right?
19:48
SPEAKER_00: And when we're often on empty, trying to pour into other people, sometimes we need to fill ourselves up.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: So that's part that's that's a part of being meaningful.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, so true.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: I feel like a huge part of what I'm hearing is you're you're empowering people to step out of um a victim mindset a little bit and and waiting.
20:05
SPEAKER_02: And and I think that those are kind of like intertwined a little bit of like, oh, I'm just waiting for life to happen to me, I'm waiting for life to knock on my door, I'm waiting for someone to say something, or there's opportunity to come, or meaning to just say, hello, here's the meaning of your life.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: This is right here, and that we get to walk towards it and learn to choose it, and that there's kind of a skillfulness behind it that we can gracefully imperfectly learn.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, thank you for bringing it up because I love that question because I'm sure you and many people have heard, you know, what is the meaning of life, right?
20:35
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, that's we've been misguided by that question for a long time.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, one of the things we we've pushed back in saying, instead of what is the meaning of life, is what is the meaning that you'll create for your life.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Right?
20:49
SPEAKER_00: Because that is the power in it.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: What is the meaning of life?
20:52
SPEAKER_00: It's like some you know, awakening that's gonna happen just externally, but it's really an awakening that happens internally.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: And so, how do we get there?
21:00
SPEAKER_00: So that's one piece.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: The second piece that I think is very, very important as we think through um kind of identifying how do we create this every single day is taking care of ourselves.
21:11
SPEAKER_00: And so I want to give a very simple framework.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: I get excited, I'm I'm my number one strength finder strategy, so I get super excited about like about like frameworks and stuff.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: Um it's something that I struggled with, and so I created it for me because I hate it when people said you just need to take care of yourself.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I know that.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: What do I do?
21:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what does that look like?
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, can I be your own best friend with self-care?
21:32
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, tell me how to do it, bro.
21:33
SPEAKER_03: What does that mean?
21:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so what I need I need is something I could follow, right?
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Not just feel eventually occasionally.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: So it's called 5SC Squared is our framework we created for self care.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: And it simply stands for five self care strategy challenges, right?
21:50
SPEAKER_00: So S C S C, which says what's one thing you'll do daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, and annually for your self care.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: Right?
21:59
SPEAKER_00: And you You get to pick and choose.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: These don't have to be grandiose things.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: And for the people that are already like full in their life, they're like, oh, Justin, it's too much.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: I already have enough going on.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm not asking you to create five new things.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: I want you to just start asking the questions.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: What are you already doing?
22:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Right?
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Like just let's acknowledge what you're already doing.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: For some people, it could be a meditation every day and they've been doing it for a minute, right?
22:20
SPEAKER_00: Okay, awesome.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: You have your daily one already.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to create something new, right?
22:23
SPEAKER_00: You may have something else that you're doing weekly.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: Okay, awesome.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Keep that up, right?
22:26
SPEAKER_00: You may have just the rhythms of your life, just pressing pause and acknowledging the rhythms of your life already.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: Now, you might create one new thing.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: So I'll briefly walk you through mine.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: So my my weekly, when I first started, was fitness because I was like, I was working out, going to the gym about five times a week.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, I want to do every day something fitness related, movement, bike ride, whatever, right?
22:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh weekly became extravagant appreciation.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: So appreciating others was a handwritten note to a housekeeping staff or video or whatever that thing.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: So I didn't need to do that weekly.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh monthly, I struggle with.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: I'll come back to that.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh quarterly became domestic hikes.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: And then inner and then my yearly one was an international trek, like a backpacking trip, right?
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Which allowed me to do Kilmanjaro, Machu Picchu, Patagonia, Iceland, uh, Columbia Lost City Trek, and so I'm just real excited.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: And so monthly became monthly massages because all that activity.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: I thank you, thank you, massages behind in stone.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: But what if, what if the people who are listening took a moment to actually create their own 5SC squared and ask the questions.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: That's one way that we create, is we're creating self-care for ourselves that we can better serve and serve others out of our overflow rather than our empty cup.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: And so that's just one practical way to lean into.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: I really love how simple it is.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: And it's also like I'm seeing it from two ends of I feel like I come from like, oh, yoga teacher and like all these like self-care, like growth things, like doing the Tony Robbins and all the things.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: And there's been points in my life where I'm like, wow, I could literally spend morning to night just doing all like oh the optimizer life and like self-care things, and then like just go to Japan, like wake up and do it again.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: And I think that there's almost some lack of acknowledgement sometimes of what I'm doing.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, let me just do all of the 9,000 different steps and like eight million step morning routine to become the perfect person.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: It can be so simple.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it can be just recognize and take a moment to appreciate what is what are you already doing?
24:17
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have to be this like two hours long morning routine.
24:20
SPEAKER_02: And if you're not doing it, yes, oh, just do one thing, like pick one thing.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: 60 seconds or less.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it doesn't that's the beautiful thing of this, right?
24:29
SPEAKER_00: Is it's we we it's the small intentional things done consistently that then leaves us to that third level.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: I thought you choose already, then commit is to cultivate.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: So now that you're doing it, because what what we struggle with is we we struggle, many of us, with perfectionism.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: We don't want to start something that we haven't perfected.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: But you can't perfect something you haven't even tried.
24:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Right?
24:51
SPEAKER_00: And so, like I learned that massages weren't working for me based upon my schedule and how much I traveled, and I enjoyed massages, but quarterly it just wasn't doing something for me.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: Excuse me, uh, monthly.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: But what I've realized is I tinkled with it and I struggled with my monthly one for a while, and I finally settled on one that's actually been really good and meaningful for me, and I can consistently do, and that's been live music, right?
25:15
SPEAKER_00: So now I every you know, every month I go to something that's live music, whether it's a live DJ or a jazz or or a concert, you know, not concert, not concerts, but but just anything live music, and that's my thing.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: So, but I wouldn't have known it had I not started.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: So for the person that's like, oh, I have to be perfect and optimize my life completely.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: No, I just want you to do I be received.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: I I studied the tortoise, right?
25:40
SPEAKER_00: Spent the whole year studying tortoises, and tortoise necklace went to the Galapagos to study tortoises, right?
25:46
SPEAKER_00: And um, that's why I based the book um Stop Chasing Start Creating on the tortoise in the hair, the story before the story.
25:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: And what I learned, tortoises weren't slow.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: We've been we've got that wrong all these years.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: Slow is a comparison term, right?
26:01
SPEAKER_00: Slow, right?
26:02
SPEAKER_00: Because the tortoise, if the tortoise was racing the snail, we wouldn't have called the tortoise slow, right?
26:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: The tortoise was strategic.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the tortoise was resilient, and the tortoise was steady.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: And that's what we can do in our own lives is to be strategic and ask the question, just the small things that I do consistently over time and refine, cultivate is refinement and resilience, that allows me the chance to be able to create meaning.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay, wait, you just said that you've spent years studying tortoises.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
26:32
unknown: Tell me more about that.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: You're like, my own job is to like create meaningful work, and I spent a year studying work.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: Did not realize that.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I saw the tortoise on the book, but I didn't realize that you're like, I'm gonna bring it out of the topic.
26:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, what even?
26:51
SPEAKER_03: Okay, say more.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: It's so like so, so again, here's another strategy people can use is how I got here.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: Every every year I do a thing called a birthday challenge, right?
27:00
SPEAKER_00: And so the birthday challenge for me, uh I just too much, there's too much research about New Year's resolutions, why they didn't work.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: But the birthday challenge was um I want to lean into Carol Dweck's work on mindset, where she talks about how you can grow in a growth mindset rather than the fixed base.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, all right, so how do I do this?
27:16
SPEAKER_00: So every year I do one thing I've never done, but I've thought about doing by my next birthday, right?
27:20
SPEAKER_00: So I've done everything from an Amerathon, become a level one assemblier, learn how to sail, learn how to ski, study the life of Frederick Douglass.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: And so this this past year, I had chose to study tortoises because I'm a natural hair.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to learn how I could be more like the tortoise.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: Right?
27:41
SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, all right, so what I do, so I got books on tortoises, right?
27:44
SPEAKER_00: And learned about you know their habitat.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: They have 13 scoots, which we're we're in the process.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: We created 13 tortoise principles, we call it wise and steady, um, so that people are able to live life more meaningful.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Like the first wise and steady is wisdom within and perfect progress, strength in self and others, right?
28:02
SPEAKER_00: That's part of the framework about how do you do that.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: But I was like, I I I can't just you know just say I'm studying tortoise, like I gotta go to where real tortoises are.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, I went for a week to the Galapagos.
28:13
SPEAKER_04: I love this.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: And I met with conserv con conservatory people, and I learned and I stayed in an eco lodge, right, where there's hundreds of tortoises just roaming around, and I spent time really just looking at them, meditating while I was there with them, looking at their movements.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: And what I uncovered for me, it was such a great level of intentionality, right?
28:38
SPEAKER_00: Because every movement for us seemed slow, but it wasn't slow for them, was intentional about where they were going.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like our society has put us in this spin cycle of just unintentionality, yeah, where we're just doing because everybody else is doing, or we're just doing because we've always done it that way, or we're just doing because that's what the uh social media people and things want us to do, and we're just doing rather than asking, why am I doing?
29:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so in this studying of tortoises, I walked away with one just a new profound appreciation for them that they are the longest of the longest living mammals.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, like one of the guys, one of the tortoises on our property was over 150 years old, right?
29:18
SPEAKER_00: And just really, really cool.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's that like when I go all in, I go all in, and so like it helped me to so now I understand so much, not about their scoots, or um, that they actually are born with their shells, right?
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, so you think like they go find the shells.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: So all these things, just like wow, like you're already born with everything you needed to create meaning, to protect you, to help you, to traverse your world.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: You're already born with it.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: It's not some external thing, right?
29:49
SPEAKER_00: There's just so many small principles that in my year of tortoise of the tortoise, um, it's been really phenomenal learning.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: Okay, how do you feel like that year changed you?
29:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like I've become more intentional.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like um I've from myself, not for anybody else, that I've started to create a different rhythm of intentionality, a rhythm of self-care.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: I feel like um like part of the reason I was struggling November, December is because I was still operating from a hair mentality.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: Right?
30:24
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I have all these things to do and I didn't do them.
30:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: Right?
30:27
SPEAKER_00: I gotta do this, I gotta do this versus like stepping back and like, wow, how far I've come.
30:33
unknown: Yeah.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: Right?
30:34
SPEAKER_00: Which we often forget to do.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: We always look up.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: We we never we often forget to look back.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: I was literally just thinking about that yesterday.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: It's so funny, really having a moment of, oh, I gotta go, I gotta go, I gotta go, because I also have a natural hair.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: No one here is probably surprised for that.
30:49
SPEAKER_02: Like, just like I'm like, yeah, what are we gonna do next?
30:53
SPEAKER_02: Let's go big and up and we like create our dreams in this life, and you can do it too.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: Blah, blah, blah.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: All in 60 days, right?
31:00
SPEAKER_02: And one of my best friends, he is the tortoise.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: He is so I adore him.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: Chris Moon, if you're listening to this, I love you.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for teaching me patience and slowness.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: You have been my two years of studying the tortoise and really like, you know, you're immersed around someone all the time.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: Like you notice, I'm like, oh yeah.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: Why do I need to rush?
31:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm not behind.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: I'm right on schedule.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: And we spend so much time as growth-oriented people, I think, looking at it, like, oh, like, where can I go?
31:27
SPEAKER_02: Da-da-da-da.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: And not realizing, oh my god, who I am today is a literal miracle to past versions of me.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: Like, I've surpassed visions of like past versions of me, didn't even dream of me being who I am today.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I'm so focused on the future that I don't even take the time to pause and recognize.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, I'm not where I want to be.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, no, you like past versions of Evanchi like wanted to be like 20,000 steps together when you like past him.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: So just appreciating where you're at.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: And that's so it's so beautiful for if anybody wants to dive even deeper to that.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: The guy, Dan Sullivan, wrote a book called The Gap in the Gain.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: And what what the premise of this book is is that we normally all of us have a starting point.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: We have this ideal, right?
32:13
SPEAKER_00: And then we have where we are.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: Now, he's like the people who measure the gap are you know uh normally uh uh have a lower sense of well-being, all these other things because they're measuring from where they are to where the their goal is.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: This this ideal that, as you said earlier, keeps moving.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right?
32:33
SPEAKER_00: So you never really fully get to the ideal because they keep moving.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: So there's always this gap.
32:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: Right?
32:39
SPEAKER_00: Versus the people who measure the gain from where they started versus to where they are, yeah, that there's a greater sense of appreciation.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: That's why, like, even when you encourage somebody to do something they've never done, right?
32:51
SPEAKER_00: This is a psychological thing that's really helpful.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: Start them off not by focusing on where they should be, right?
32:58
SPEAKER_00: That's what I think went wrong with a lot of the diversity inclusion stuff, is it's always on what you're doing wrong.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, I did this wrong, I do this wrong.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm I'm horrible here, it's a deficit approach.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: Versus starting with what you've already done, right?
33:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, man, you're already at remember you went to that one cookout, right?
33:15
SPEAKER_00: Uncle Bob is a little bit different, but you still show love to Uncle Bob.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Like that was a moment of inclusion, right?
33:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, but you help them to see how they've done it and then encourage them to keep growing.
33:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: Right?
33:26
SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing that I think the gap in the game does.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: It's like people think if I only focus on what I've already done, then I'm not gonna grow.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
33:33
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna give you more motivation and more resilience power to be able to grow in a way that's sustainable and not just uh, you know, really quick one.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: Wow, yeah, no, it's so true.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: Because it's it's the marathon, it's not a sprint, which is like the hare, the tortoise and the hare, which brings us back to your book.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: So, what is the like biggest, juiciest wisdom nuggets that you hope somebody reading this book is like, oh my god, yes, this is what I'm taking home with me from reading this.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, oh uh, I'm gonna give away a piece of the book.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: And so uh essentially, Tano the Tortoise he quits his first race because he's constantly comparing himself to the hare, right?
34:13
SPEAKER_00: To Harold the Hare, and Harold is just seems naturally gifted.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Everybody loves Harold.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: He walks in the room, says one word, everybody smiles, laughs.
34:21
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: Tonnell's been unseen, right?
34:24
SPEAKER_00: He's been completely steady.
34:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: But he's unseen and he wants to be more visible.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: And so what ends up what he ends up doing is he races this erase, they work for Forest International, because we put in the fable context, but it's a fable.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that uh is Tonnell quits his first race, he goes to the edge of the forest because he's just completely just demoralized, and he he goes to his his late grandmother's cottage, and he's just rummaging around uh moping, and he stumbles upon this document called the creating rhythm.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of barkbound, dusty, and it was these 67 wise sayings that his late-grandmother was collecting as part of ways to create more rhythm in your life, right?
35:08
SPEAKER_00: And so he's going through it and he gets to things like uh number eight, you know, when you're built when you're blaming, you're not building, right?
35:17
SPEAKER_00: Or he gets to number 21 that says um honor someone while they can still hear it, right?
35:24
SPEAKER_00: Um and so he's going through these things and then he gets to number sixty-seven.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: And what do you think number sixty-seven was?
35:31
SPEAKER_02: Is it something about the pace that you're going?
35:33
SPEAKER_00: I like where you're going.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: I like I like that you 67, number sixty-seven was blank.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: It was a wise saying that he was supposed to create for himself and for the world.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: And so one of the things that we encourage, we have a people can go to this is my67.com to be able to create their own wise wisdom that they need to be able to create meaning for themselves.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: And we walk through things such as what have you been through, what have been your struggles, what have been your challenges, what life lessons have you learned, what would you have told your earlier version of yourself?
36:11
SPEAKER_00: What do you need to tell the future version of yourself?
36:14
SPEAKER_00: And they create their wisdom that they need to keep going.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: And so that's for me, you know, it taps into the self-autonomy research, but it's that people will create their own wisdom that will keep them going to create meaning.
36:26
unknown: Wow.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for creating this.
36:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: I I'm in a first of all, thank you.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, I appreciate that.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: And this is the reason I wanted to create this, because I don't know if you've dealt with this.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people I've talked to have is a concept that we have coined called information fatigue.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
36:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: Right?
36:58
SPEAKER_00: I I wanted to do that's why we did a fable.
37:01
unknown: Yeah.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: Because I wanted to be in story form, that people got the message, they saw the journey of what we call mindset momentum mastery, but it was done in a way that Tunnel's struggling because while he's trying to be visible at work, um he's been his his wife has made him visible, his partner has made him visible, but he hasn't been in noticing it.
37:22
unknown: Yeah.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Because he's been so focused on getting visibility here that he's he if he forgot that he's visible right there to his family, right?
37:30
SPEAKER_00: And so like I wanted to tell stories that people could get, but in a quick way, yeah.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: That was done in story form and in a way to telling them the story behind the story, the story we never knew that it's like real life.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: We all we all want to be the tortoise, right?
37:44
SPEAKER_00: That's what we were told.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: But we didn't know that the tortoise had to learn to become the tortoise that we know all know and love.
37:49
unknown: Right.
37:49
SPEAKER_00: He worked through his own stuff and had to be mentored and helped to be able to get there.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: So that's why we wrote a fable, a business fable, um, to be able to help people to get in a way that's just not more content.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: Because we don't need more content, we need to change how we think and how we feel towards the content we already have.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, it's so true.
38:06
SPEAKER_02: We're like so oversaturated with information and like let me learn and optimize and da-da-da-da-da.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: And as humans, for like thousands and thousands and thousands of years, we've learned through story.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
38:19
SPEAKER_02: Like that's like literally just like how we've done it for generations and generations.
38:24
SPEAKER_02: It's like in our biology of this is how humans learn.
38:28
SPEAKER_02: And obviously, the content's also great.
38:30
SPEAKER_02: Like the information, I'm not anti-information, but it's a it's a balance.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: And I've found out in my own life that there's almost like a cyclical nature to it.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes we're like, ooh, I want to learn all the things about this thing, and then some moment I go, oh, okay, capped on information.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: Now go like practice it out in the world, experience it out in the world.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: Stop like reading the books and the research and all the things and walk the talk kind of thing and uh learn stories about it and consume information and talk to people about it.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: It's not, it can't just be like, let me consume, consume, consume all this information.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: This is like totally a huge component of creating that new narrative in this modern day age of just learn and do all the optimization, then you can like create your five steps to becoming, I don't know, whatever you are trying to become.
39:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, it's beautiful.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
39:21
SPEAKER_02: I love this.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: Um what would like little little boy Justin?
39:28
SPEAKER_02: He's like five, six, seven, eight years old.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: What would you be most surprised and in awe of today, Justin?
39:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a great question.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: Um I actually thought about this recently when I did um my gratitude 67.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: Right?
39:49
SPEAKER_00: And one of the parts of the exercise, and I'm getting an emotional thing about it, um, where you had to share from this list of 67 things three things.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: One, what what's the most obvious gratitude?
40:02
SPEAKER_00: The second is um what's kind of the most unexpected gratitude.
40:06
unknown: Yeah.
40:07
SPEAKER_00: And the third was what was the most difficult gratitude?
40:11
SPEAKER_00: And the difficult gratitude that I wrote down was the person I become because my dad wasn't in my life.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: And that I was grateful, not that my dad wasn't there, but that I was able to utilize um that pain and turn it into purpose.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: And so that was probably the most surprising of just can I remember that five, six, seven, eight-year-old Justin that thought that my dad wasn't there because of me.
40:43
SPEAKER_00: That thought that if I just would have been a better son, a better little boy that you know, that he'd come back.
40:49
SPEAKER_00: So I would work hard.
40:51
SPEAKER_00: I would try to do my best in everything just to be to prove my worth rather than simply being my worth.
40:57
SPEAKER_00: And so that five to eight-year-old Justin that was crying in his room, that was almost like that four-year-old boy, right, that was just dealing with the loneliness of the separation, that he'd be able to say that he's a better man because of it, that um while very imperfect, that he's a very present dad that you know shows up for his kids and wants to be there and prioritizes them as a big rock.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: That you know, I've started a foundation where we built schools in Ghana, Clean Water Project, we just fully funded a technology lab.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Like even the book, 100% of my royalties goes directly to those initiatives, so I don't get anything from it outside of just knowing I'm doing good, right?
41:38
SPEAKER_00: And so that little boy would know that the pain that he's dealing with right now, he'd probably be most surprised that it actually has served him too.
41:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I mean as little kids, we really don't have that perspective of life happens for us, not to us.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: And it's so painful.
41:59
SPEAKER_02: Wow, yeah.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the that little boy that learned, oh, I think I it must have been me, so I have to learn how to like achieve and or do something different.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: Like, how do I change who I am and make myself more lovable?
42:10
SPEAKER_02: Not realizing like, oh my god, you're an incredible specimen, you're lovable just as you are.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: And that but that what's funny enough is for real, is like that became my number sixty-seven.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: Right?
42:23
SPEAKER_00: My number sixty-seven was when you stop proving your worth, you have more time to simply be your worth.
42:31
SPEAKER_02: Like a chill.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:34
SPEAKER_00: When you stop saying it, when you stop proving your worth, you have more time to simply be your worth.
42:40
unknown: Wow.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: And that's I struggled with that.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: And it's still times even today, I still struggle with and I have to put into check and I start saying it to myself.
42:48
SPEAKER_00: But it's it that came from my own journey of feeling like I wasn't enough.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: Feeling like because my dad wasn't there and I it was abandonment, because you know, I dealt with physical and uh emotional abuse and trauma from my older brother, because we grew up poor and didn't have a lot and was bullied, like all these things, because we had a standard being unhoused, like all these things that were happening.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, I just didn't think I was good enough.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: And so I for most of my life, a lot of my life, I was trying to prove to others.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: And it was a moment, oh, I'm gonna chill think about it.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: It was a moment, it was a catalyst moment in college where it's in Dr.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: Stevens' speech class.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: And in the class, we in order to do your speech, you had to create a shoebox.
43:34
SPEAKER_00: And so before you did a shoebox, what she would do is she would put people in a circle, a whole class, and uh you would sit in the circle in one of the little chairs that had the wheels on it, and people went around the circle and shared what they honestly thought of you.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: Right?
43:48
SPEAKER_00: And all you could say was thank you.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: So I had some people like Justin, I think you're an amazing guy, gonna be a great leader for the campus, you know, great for men, Justin.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: I think you're a hoe.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Oh Justin, I think you know you're a great leader, blah blah blah blah blah.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Justin, I think you're a womanizer.
44:05
unknown: Wow.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: Right?
44:06
SPEAKER_00: And all you can do is say thank you.
44:08
SPEAKER_00: I had some other choice words I wanted to say, but but it was just like okay, all right.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: So as I'm going through this, what you're then supposed to do is your shoebox.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: So on the outside of the shoebox, you're supposed to decorate it with how people think about you.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: And in the inside of how you think of yourself and present that, right?
44:27
SPEAKER_00: 60% of the class cried doing that was one of the 60%.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: But I I realized I put all the stuff people said about both positives and negatives, but in the inside was kind of like this broken mirror, right?
44:39
SPEAKER_00: And the only way to read the words was looking through the mirror.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: And it said, I'm just trying to be like you because I wanted to decrease the level of friction.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: So if I was more like you, you'd accept me.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Right?
44:53
SPEAKER_00: And that's when I realized all the things that I had um from the abuse to the abandonment and all these things, I had allowed to become a part of my structure that I didn't know Justin.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: I was just trying to be like someone else so they can accept me.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: Right.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: And so that was a catalyst moment for me to begin accepting myself and to begin um not proving my worth, but being my worth.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
45:18
SPEAKER_02: Wow, yeah.
45:19
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say, I'm like, wow, like hearing that Justin with the shoebox, with the broken glass.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: I just want to be like you to today, and like that's a catalyst moment.
45:27
SPEAKER_02: Was there like a big turning point outside of that to bridging the gap between where you were and where you are?
45:34
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say a big one.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: I I'd say there were that became a moment of learning that that started.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like this cascade now, like all of a sudden I'm different, right?
45:47
SPEAKER_00: I did know that as I uh observed people and thought about what they shared to myself, like I had I went back home that summer and apologized to you know every young lady, especially those that I felt I took their virginity, and I apologized whether that was right or wrong, as my 19-year-old brain was said to do was right.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: Um I was just like, hey, I'm sorry, I I treated this as a transaction, it should have been more than that for you.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: Right?
46:13
SPEAKER_00: Um and you know, some people are like that wow, thank you.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: And some people are like, oh yeah, I didn't care.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Um but it I that led to that, so appreciation of that.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, it also led to kind of my first beginning of therapy, um, where I then utilized because I was like, why am I the way I am?
46:30
SPEAKER_00: Right?
46:31
SPEAKER_00: Why, why do I feel this need?
46:33
SPEAKER_00: And I realized that some of my ho days or the womanizing for me stemmed from that was my way I I got accepted.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: Right?
46:42
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, oh okay, um, I'll say whatever I need to say, but I want to I want that feeling of acceptance, of being valued, of being seen.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: And that was a misguided way of doing that, and so it's begun my therapy journey, and um now I'm at the point where like I go to therapy um uh monthly, sometimes more if needed be, if need be, not because there's something wrong with me, but because I want to keep things going right.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so if I could encourage someone, whatever, and there's so many different forms of therapy that people can figure out what makes sense for them, but to find that level of consistency because it's like it is my mental health oil check-in.
47:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right, totally.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: And so that's why I go consistently because I want to I want to keep things going right.
47:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, and that's such a beautiful message of it doesn't mean something's wrong with you, like it doesn't mean like you're broken or like something is like ah like it just means oh okay, I'm just taking care of myself, and a human being that needs to sometimes like talk about things and process a little bit and just keep things not um piling up or like just push it under the rug, kind of thing.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh okay, like let's look at this thing under the rug and just okay, let's just heal it a little bit and we're good to go now.
47:53
SPEAKER_02: Alright, let's go back on the road.
47:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's why when you deal with it when it's a smaller thing, yes, right, then it's much easier.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: So, like literally yesterday, uh my kids had their therapy sessions, right?
48:02
SPEAKER_00: Because I that's not just I don't just talk about for me, it's like it's good for them too, right?
48:06
SPEAKER_00: So they had their therapy session, we were just talking about the power of like the consistency of it and you know why it can be helpful.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: And so I love that I've created a culture for them where when I tell them they have their therapy session, they're excited.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh, we have therapy.
48:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh today, I'm like, I was like, I've got a broad up my they were like, oh yes, right?
48:32
SPEAKER_00: Because it's you know, they have a great therapist too.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's like just the fact that they enjoy and look forward to the days of therapy.
48:41
SPEAKER_00: It's really exciting for me.
48:43
SPEAKER_02: That's incredible.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm also like, wow, these kids, I'm sure, because you know it's like you can imagine like all of like our emotional stuff can just become like a big rubber band ball or like knots, and they're just like, oh, let me just take this rubber band off.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: And and by the time they're like our age, they're gonna be like, oh my god, I don't have this like little thing of like to unknot, it's just oh okay, like just on my hair, just a little bit of maintenance, right?
49:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean it's just it's just an oil change versus you're not gonna get your car fixed because you have neglected it for years, yeah.
49:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, totally though that like all right, my whole life feels like it needs to stop so I can hang out at the mechanics for the next for a foreseeable future.
49:22
SPEAKER_02: Which, you know, one's not better than the other.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: We all just have our you know own unique journeys.
49:26
SPEAKER_02: But wow, that's incredible for them.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm excited to see what they get to create in the world.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because they don't have to spend so much time unraveling.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm still, you know, like every parent, um, every person who knows, you still jack your kids up, right?
49:40
SPEAKER_02: So there's no way to do perfect.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: Right?
49:46
SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be aspects of things that I've probably already jacked them up with and will continue and will you know it's a consistent work in progress, but they have a mechanism and a strategy to deal with it.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: And that's the difference.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: It is.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: We all go through stuff, right?
50:02
SPEAKER_00: We all have struggles, we have well celebrations and wins.
50:07
SPEAKER_00: The question is, will we create rhythms in our own life where we can deal with it?
50:14
SPEAKER_00: Now that we are, we can deal with it.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: We're moving like a rhythm, like a poem, like I feel it, talking about the things like an orange just peel it, because inside is juicy.
50:24
SPEAKER_00: You got it, it's Gucci.
50:25
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't need no product, I got nothing, because I'm here with Amy, and I don't want to say what I'm feeling, but I'm gonna say to my therapist next weekend.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: We get a live improvise poem.
50:41
SPEAKER_03: Like, wow, Angela's gonna be low-key, high and she missed that.
50:48
SPEAKER_02: She's gonna be like watching this and post and be like, that's like my thing.
50:53
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I know, girl, I'm sorry.
50:55
SPEAKER_03: Oh god.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: It's funny, it's funny, AB.
51:00
SPEAKER_00: Angela, we love you.
51:01
SPEAKER_03: We love you.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: Um it's funny because like I I used to do poetry.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: Actually, my first book was a book of poetry.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: Really?
51:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's my creative aspect and outlet.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: And um I used to travel around doing spoken word.
51:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:20
SPEAKER_00: And first season, and then I stopped, right?
51:22
SPEAKER_00: And you know, working and all the kind of stuff.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: And my new keynote, which stop chasing, start creating, we wanted to be immersive and multi-sensory, and so engaging all five senses.
51:35
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, But I want to do something that's real for me that I'm scared of.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: And for a long time I've wanted to do what I used to do, which was have the audience give me a topic, and I would create a live poem from it.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: Right?
51:52
SPEAKER_00: And and that's what I would do.
51:53
SPEAKER_00: So people were playing jazz music, I had the band behind me as I was traveling, you know, and and I loved that, but I was scared when I started speaking for professionals, and I was scared to do it because I was what if I say the wrong thing?
52:06
SPEAKER_00: What if I and I realized part of the stop chasing and start creating is by stop chasing perfect.
52:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
52:13
SPEAKER_00: And start creating from right where you are.
52:15
unknown: Totally.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: And so that's now how I end the keynote with um um I do a live improvised poem, and I have the audience give me some themes that I should create and think about, and I do it.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: And so um, whenever we get done, I I think I want to end, I want to end our our our uh session, and then you obviously you have to do your formal ending, but you'll give me some key themes to bring up and I'll I'll do a live improvised poem.
52:40
SPEAKER_02: I love this.
52:41
SPEAKER_02: Also, I love that you're like kind of glitch in the matrixing of like going to like give these keynotes in like different kinds of places that like probably have never seen a poem.
52:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like they're like super not expecting it, like oh I I love this.
52:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm most people probably like I'm absolutely the room actually feels alive now.
53:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, this is great.
53:05
SPEAKER_02: Like I am all about that as kindred spirit here.
53:09
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
53:10
SPEAKER_02: Wow, yeah.
53:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, our time's coming to a close here.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: So if there's anything else that you want to share before your poem, like please.
53:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just you know, I'd love to stay connected with y'all.
53:18
SPEAKER_00: Um LinkedIn is where uh I prefer.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, but other ways, um, you know, you'll see a lot of stuff that's going on from the books, objacent creating to the Meaningful67 Challenge, um, meaningful work in America.com for our national study if you want to get the executive brief and leadership findings.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: Um but overall, just ask what's what's your one intentional step forward.
53:41
SPEAKER_00: Right?
53:41
SPEAKER_00: Like there's a lot of things that we share today, right?
53:43
SPEAKER_00: A lot of practical tools, birthday challenge, five SC Squared.
53:46
SPEAKER_00: You can't do everything.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: What if you do the one thing?
53:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what if you commit it to one thing, right?
53:52
SPEAKER_00: One thing.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: What's just one thing?
53:54
SPEAKER_00: So um that would that would be what I would share, and then um, you know, you give me a theme or two, and I'll create a short live improvised poem before we close up.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: All right, and all of those links and all the things will be down in the show notes if you're like one of the things, like it's all there for you.
54:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, gosh, what do I want today's poem to be about?
54:13
SPEAKER_02: Powers in my hands.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: Um I would love for it to be about aliveness.
54:22
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, I like that.
54:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:23
SPEAKER_00: All right, anything else?
54:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, um like creating a life where you specifically feel alive, like where each individual, you know, has their own experience of creating that sense of aliveness.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna be perfect.
54:44
SPEAKER_00: That's the beauty of it, right?
54:47
SPEAKER_00: Soft wrestling of wind across the summer's breeze of the day, grass swaying to and from.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: Realizing the tree with its roots that have been sprouted from the dew in the morning, it grew to be something tall because of the intentionality for which it was yearning.
55:06
SPEAKER_00: That tree has come alive to us, not because it took one moment and one day, but it planted seeds from many years ago that destiny could cultivate.
55:16
SPEAKER_00: That tree as it breathes life, as it breathes life, has not only come alive for itself, but has become a different purpose just for us, so that we could breathe our own life, individually creating something special that's not regretful as we continue to practice the art of gratitude.
55:36
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I might even play from my tuba that I say with musical notes that you can create.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: That's the beauty.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: So as the sun sets and fades from the distant memory of our past, we then know that one thing that will last is that my roots have dug deep.
55:58
SPEAKER_00: And even the things that people can't see, even the things that I sometimes might hide is the true definition of what has helped me to come alive.
56:12
unknown: Yeah.
56:15
SPEAKER_03: That was so good.
56:16
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
56:17
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, thank you so much for sharing that.
56:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, wow, our first poem, we got it.
56:25
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
56:26
SPEAKER_02: Yes, they didn't even have to ask me to do it.
56:28
SPEAKER_02: You were like, Do you mind if we're yes, please?
56:32
SPEAKER_00: It gives it helps me give me practice too, right?
56:34
SPEAKER_00: So the more because it's something I started doing, the new keynote, and it's like I want to, you know, it's the more I get practice, the better I become of connecting dots.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: Totally, totally.
56:45
SPEAKER_00: So as I was processing, yeah.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: So thank you for allowing me to do that.
56:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
56:49
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely freaking literally.
56:50
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for being here today.
56:51
SPEAKER_02: You're an absolute delight.
56:53
SPEAKER_02: The amount of connection to your passion and your mission is truly inspiring, and how you can ground that down into such tangible steps for people is just wow.
57:03
SPEAKER_02: I can I can just feel like how much you care, how much you care about people.
57:08
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
57:09
SPEAKER_00: Which is I would love to give people the one last thing, probably one of the most important things for me.
57:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh check out workmeaningfulfoundation.org.
57:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, that's the work we're doing in Ghana.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, that's the work that came from finally confronting my dad for not being in my life and choosing to forgive him.
57:26
SPEAKER_00: And um uh right now we're in a process, we've already you know provided 90 dual desks, did a clean water project, just commissioned a new middle school and turned that over, um, just fully funded a technology lab.
57:37
SPEAKER_00: And now we're working on a two-story, 12-classroom uh elementary school.
57:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so we're in phase one.
57:44
SPEAKER_00: And so um, if you're able to help support, um, 100% of what people give goes directly to the initiatives because as our business, we cover all the administrative costs and salary and stuff like that, so that people can know that what they're giving is actually having the direct impact.
58:00
SPEAKER_00: So it's not in salaries, it's not in website maintenance, but it's really it really is focused on impact.
58:06
SPEAKER_00: So that's probably the most the thing that's bigger than myself.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: That's how I make my work meaningful.
58:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh my gosh, thank you so much for doing that and like the transparency of that as well.
58:15
SPEAKER_02: Because you know, I think some people are like, oh, I don't want to just like donate to be like only this amount actually goes to like making a difference.
58:22
SPEAKER_02: This what you're doing is actually incredible.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Annie.
58:24
SPEAKER_02: Incredible.
58:25
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
58:25
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for being here.
58:26
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sharing your heart.
58:27
SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
58:28
SPEAKER_00: So I uh we're gonna do something crazy.
58:30
SPEAKER_03: What are we gonna do?
58:31
SPEAKER_03: Are you ready?
58:31
SPEAKER_03: Are you ready?
58:32
SPEAKER_00: You're my best friend now.
58:33
SPEAKER_03: Yay!
58:35
SPEAKER_00: I want you to do a live improv improvised poll.
58:38
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
58:39
SPEAKER_00: I have to give you the theme.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I get it.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I get a theme.
58:41
SPEAKER_00: I have to give you the theme.
58:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay, wow, it's new for me.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: Meaning.
58:44
SPEAKER_02: Meaning.
58:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
58:46
SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
58:47
SPEAKER_02: Can you give me like a rhythm?
58:48
SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm much more like of like a rhythmic kind of person.
58:59
SPEAKER_02: Got it.
59:03
SPEAKER_02: Yo, this is the meaning, the meaning of life.
59:06
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I grew up thinking it was all about strife, and I don't even know.
59:11
SPEAKER_02: I thought I'm gonna have to struggle all day.
59:14
SPEAKER_02: And now I think I can't even play my game away.
59:16
SPEAKER_02: It's the moment that I'm playing and I'm saying what means to me and my life in each and every way.
59:22
SPEAKER_02: I get to waking people up in the world around me to the meaning in their own hearts.
59:28
SPEAKER_02: Can't they see that it's just to be themselves, just to be free, just to see.
59:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I need to be me, and that's enough in this world.
59:37
SPEAKER_02: It means so much for you to share your heart, the real stuff, not just the stuff that's shiny, perfect, and bright, but the stuff that also keeps you freaking open at night.
59:48
SPEAKER_02: Because that's what it means to be human someday, Santa C.
59:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad that you get to be here with me.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, thanks for the invitation.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_03: So good.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_03: All right, listeners, now it's your turn.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, send it away for sure.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_02: If you actually do it, for sure, would love to listen to it.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_00: We want you to do it, right?
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: So send a video and tag tag the the show, tag me, and uh I work meaningful.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_00: Um we want to see your video of you doing your live improvised poem.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: No AI, no uh uh anything.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_00: You just have to create it.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_00: And you I'm gonna have you do the same thing again about creating meaning.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_00: That's your thing.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_00: How did it creating meaning?
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: So, whatever that means like to you, send in your videos, the ones that you think are awesome and not, but we would we love to see that.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, we so would.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_02: Until next time, I'm bestie's in your back pocket.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_02: I hope you have the greatest rest of your freaking day.