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Sharri | 11 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and firstly, well done to everyone involved in
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Speaker 2: that documentary. Reflecting on the remarkable career of John Howard,
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Speaker 2: it's difficult not to feel a certain sense of loss
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Speaker 2: and how far removed we are now from an era
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Speaker 2: of great leadership. The gulf between Howard's moral fortitude and
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Speaker 2: intellectual seriousness and the weakness and ineptitude of the Albanese
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Speaker 2: government is impossible to ignore. In many ways, Albanese seems
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Speaker 2: unworthy of occupying the same office once held with such distinction.
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Speaker 3: And conviction by Howard.
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Speaker 2: The documentary is also a good reminder that Howard was
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Speaker 2: in the political wilderness for a long time. As you
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Speaker 2: heard he himself described the possibility of a political comeback
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Speaker 2: as Lazarus.
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Speaker 3: With a triple bypass. But he did again.
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Speaker 2: Now he's the elder statesman of Australian politics, with a
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Speaker 2: legacy to be immensely proud of, and Australia owes a
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Speaker 2: great deal to him and that era of steady, values
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Speaker 2: driven leadership. The nation certainly took it for granted. Only now,
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Speaker 2: perhaps do Australians recognize.
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Speaker 3: In hindsight how rare that.
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Speaker 2: Principled and resolute leadership was and boy do we miss it.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of conviction, the Nationals leadership Batan was passed to
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan today. Well, for a long time, Canavan has
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Speaker 2: been one of the strongest performing politicians, not just in
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Speaker 2: the Nationals but in the entire Coalition. His intellect is formidable,
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Speaker 2: He's very knowledgeable and he's got a good grasp of
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Speaker 2: sentiment among Australians. He's also an excellent media performer. He
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Speaker 2: can handle the most difficult questions.
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Speaker 3: He's got cut.
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Speaker 2: Through to voters. He's also a pretty decent person. Matt
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Speaker 2: Canavan led the way on the voice on energy, on
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Speaker 2: cost of living, yet he was shockingly underutilized by successive
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Speaker 2: Coalition leadership.
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Speaker 3: Teams during election campaigns and.
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Speaker 2: Today Canavan spoke about many critical areas that Australians care about.
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Speaker 4: We are back now fighting for the use of Australian resources,
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Speaker 4: fighting for a lower cost of living. Their bills are
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Speaker 4: getting higher, it's harder to pay for just a trolley
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Speaker 4: full of groceries at the shops. They're the things I'm
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Speaker 4: focused on. All I stood for, all I've argued for,
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Speaker 4: which is that we use all of our God given
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Speaker 4: resources for the benefit of Australian people. I'm very concerned
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Speaker 4: that the identity politics of division that we've seen on
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Speaker 4: the left is creeping into the right now.
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Speaker 2: He also indicated today that he's not afraid to take
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Speaker 2: the fight to Pauline Hansen, who's been successful in winning
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Speaker 2: over voters from the Coalition.
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Speaker 4: Pauline has been in politics for more than double the
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Speaker 4: time I've been and I struggle to point to a
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Speaker 4: single damn single road, single hospital at Pauline has delivered
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Speaker 4: in Australia. I can point to swaves of those things
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Speaker 4: with the work I've done with Michelle Landry, Colin Boyce
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Speaker 4: and others in Central Queensland. That is ultimately what we're
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Speaker 4: here for. We're here to deliver results. We're here to
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Speaker 4: make people's lives better.
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Speaker 2: Canavan is a regular on this program every Thursday night,
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Speaker 2: and it's been that way.
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Speaker 3: For the past three years.
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Speaker 2: So if you watch him on my show every Thursday,
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Speaker 2: you'll know that there are policy areas where his views
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Speaker 2: are vastly at odds with the Liberal Party, even the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: and that's foreign policy, national security and economic policy. Canavan
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Speaker 2: is an independent thinker and a vast consumer of information, news,
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Speaker 2: opinion and commentary. Now, Matt Canavan did not support America
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Speaker 2: and Israel's.
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Speaker 3: Decision to go to war in Iran.
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Speaker 2: Now even the Albanezi government supports this. But here's what
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Speaker 2: Canavan said about it on my show two thursd days ago.
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Speaker 4: I'm not exactly sure what the case here for military
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Speaker 4: action is. It's a very very serious thing to do.
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Speaker 1: No, if they've got nuclear weapons, the world's a very
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Speaker 1: very dangerous place, Matt, and we had to shut them
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Speaker 1: down and shut them off before they get them.
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Speaker 4: This is all the stuff I heard in the two thousands, right,
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Speaker 4: every the same argument was made about Saddami, saying, and
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Speaker 4: look how that's turned out, Matt, less safe. We spent
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Speaker 4: more billions of dollars, We've had thousands of people die.
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Speaker 4: Why would we do that again?
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Speaker 2: This position is concerning for a coalition leader, and it's
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Speaker 2: certainly at odds with Angus Taylor, who told me this
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Speaker 2: last night.
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Speaker 1: You've got to go shoulder to shoulder with our allies
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Speaker 1: on this one.
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Speaker 2: Well, shoulder to shoulder, does that mean that if you
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Speaker 2: were Prime minister, you'd be offering to send more military
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Speaker 2: equipment to be involved in offensive attacks?
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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be closed minded about it, Sharry. We want
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Speaker 1: this to succeed, that's our starting point, and would be
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Speaker 1: very open to proposals along the lines of what you
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Speaker 1: just suggested.
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Speaker 2: Now, Canavan's position, as I mentioned, is even at odds
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Speaker 2: with Anthony Albanisi and Penny Wong, who both have said
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Speaker 2: they support America and Israel's war on Iran even if
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Speaker 2: they don't agree with Australia taking offensive action. Now, from
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Speaker 2: my observation of Canavan's comments both on air and off,
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Speaker 2: he's more in line with Vice President J. D Vance's
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Speaker 2: isolationist view of the world rather than the traditional liberal
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Speaker 2: or even Republican position where President Trump sits.
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Speaker 3: So this is an area to watch now.
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Speaker 2: Canavan has always felt like he can give his personal
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Speaker 2: view on policy as a backbencher. Well, will he now
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Speaker 2: change his outspoken ways and freelance style to fall in
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Speaker 2: line with coalition policy or will he revise his public
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Speaker 2: physicians despite his strongly held personal views.
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Speaker 3: And it's not just foreign policy. There are also differences.
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Speaker 2: On economic views as well, and Barnaby Joyce spoke about
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Speaker 2: this conflict today.
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Speaker 5: I know Matt, I know him very well, and he
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Speaker 5: is an exceptional guy and a good fellow, but his
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Speaker 5: policy beliefs are just a million miles away from where
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Speaker 5: a lot of the Liberal Party are is, and to
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Speaker 5: be quite frank, they're quite a distance away from where
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Speaker 5: Darren is.
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Speaker 2: And Darren, of course he meant Darren Chester, who is
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Speaker 2: now Matt Canavan's deputy. So this will be potentially concerning
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Speaker 2: for the coalition if major policy differences emerge under the
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Speaker 2: new leadership team.
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Speaker 3: And Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 2: Will be on My show live tomorrow night. Okay, let's
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Speaker 2: get the latest news now on the war in Iran.
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Speaker 2: Operation Epic Fury is entering its most intense days of fighting,
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Speaker 2: with America ramping up strikes in Tehran. Secretary of War
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Speaker 2: Pete Haigseth said today the war will not end until
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Speaker 2: the enemy is decisively defeated.
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Speaker 6: Today will be yet again our most intense day of
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Speaker 6: strikes inside Iran, the most fighters, the most bombers, the
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Speaker 6: most strikes, intelligence, more refined and better than ever. And
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Speaker 6: from the beginning from this party we haven't stated how
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Speaker 6: long it will take.
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Speaker 2: Our will is endless, and a mere hours after these comments,
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Speaker 2: a B one B bomber was filmed taking off from
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Speaker 2: the UK for Iran. Massive explosions have been reported in Tehran.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: One area of top concern for President Trump is keeping
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Speaker 2: open the Strait of Hormus. This is a critical passage
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Speaker 2: for a fifth of the world's oil and energy trait,
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Speaker 2: and Iran has been targeting vessels that pass and thousands
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Speaker 2: have been unable to get through well. Trump announced that
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Speaker 2: the US military has now sunk he said, ten boats.
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Speaker 2: It's now up to sixteen that lay minds as in
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Speaker 2: explosives in the Strait of Hormuz, and the US military
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Speaker 2: is looking at ways to keep the strait open.
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Speaker 7: President Trump will not allow rogue Iranian terrorists to stop
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Speaker 7: the freedom of navigation and the free flow of energy.
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Speaker 7: If they do anything to stop the flow of oil
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Speaker 7: or goods within the Strait of Hermus, they will be
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Speaker 7: hit by the world's most powerful military twenty times harder
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Speaker 7: than they have been hit thus far.
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Speaker 2: Iran is showing no signs of surrender. Its security chief
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Speaker 2: Ali Larijani has issued a public threat to Trump's life,
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Speaker 2: posting be careful not to get eliminated yourself, and the
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Speaker 2: dangers of Iran's military arsenal and the evil intent of the.
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Speaker 3: Regime are obvious.
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Speaker 2: Israel has revealed that half of the three hundred missiles
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Speaker 2: Iran has fired at Israel have cluster bomb warheads, which
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Speaker 2: are illegal, and as we've been discussing, not even Muslim
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Speaker 2: majority nations are immune. Saudi Arabia intercepted seven ballistic missiles
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Speaker 2: from Iran overnight. Six of them were launched towards the
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Speaker 2: Prince Sultan Air Base. There's also the mystery of the
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Speaker 2: new Iran Supreme Leader, Mushtaba Khamena. There were reports that
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Speaker 2: he was hit in an Israeli strike, and the former
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Speaker 2: spokeswoman for the National Republican Party, Elizabeth Pipko, told us
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Speaker 2: last night that she was hearing the same.
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Speaker 3: I'm told he's injured.
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Speaker 4: I don't know how bad it is, but again, the
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Speaker 4: goal is to make sure this is not the future
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Speaker 4: leader of Iran, so I imagine this is not going
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Speaker 4: to continue on either way.
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Speaker 2: The New York Times has now reported that he was injured,
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Speaker 2: but it's still not confirmed, and it seems Moshtabe is
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Speaker 2: now in hiding. Does in this say a lot the
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Speaker 2: cowardice of the Iranian leadership, who are bunkered underground compared
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Speaker 2: with the courageous protesters who've taken to the streets in
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Speaker 2: recent times, and the brave soccer players who refuse to
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Speaker 2: sing the Iranian national anthem. Well, it's a big show tonight.
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Speaker 2: I've got the former head of Mossad counterintelligence coming up
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But now let's bring in former Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and IPA chief economist Adam Crighton.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both. I just want to bring
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Speaker 2: in some breaking news. This has just been reported that
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Speaker 2: Dennis Richardson, who was leading an intelligence review as part
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Speaker 2: of the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism, has announced that
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Speaker 2: he is standing down. He will not be doing this review. Michael,
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Speaker 2: You've probably just hearing this now from me for the
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Speaker 2: first time. But my understanding is that Dennis Dennis Richardson
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Speaker 2: does have other commitment that that could be what's behind
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Speaker 2: this move. Michael, he would have been a very welcome addition.
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Speaker 2: He's trusted by all sides, by the Jewish community and
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Speaker 2: by the intelligence community.
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Speaker 8: Other commitments, I don't think so, Sharry, this is extremely concerning.
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Speaker 8: If you read the scoop that The Australian have just
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Speaker 8: published online, there is a slight reference to him being
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Speaker 8: concerned about being able to do his work properly, whatever
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Speaker 8: that means. But the conclusion I draw, and you're absolutely right,
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Speaker 8: everyone trusts Richardson. When Richardson was appointed, the whole country
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Speaker 8: gave a collective side of relief, knowing that it would
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Speaker 8: be someone who was completely independent and trustworthy doing this work.
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Speaker 8: If Richardson's resigned and the Royal Commissioner gave no comment
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Speaker 8: as to why he'd resigned, boy, that's a very concern
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Speaker 8: and it will sell send alarm bills through the Jewish
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Speaker 8: community and non Jewish community members alike, because his loss
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Speaker 8: has to be explained and the Royal Commission needs to
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Speaker 8: explain it, and needs to explain it urgently, because this
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Speaker 8: does not read well for this Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: Well, she has put out a statement, the Commission of
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Speaker 2: Virginia Bell. Let's bring that up on the screen if
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Speaker 2: we have it, I'll read it out here, she said.
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Speaker 2: As I noted that the Commission's initial hearing, mister Richardson
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Speaker 2: was uniquely well placed to advise on the material to
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Speaker 2: be sought from our intelligence and security agencies in order
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Speaker 2: to assess the effectiveness of their preparedness for in response
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Speaker 2: to a terrorist attack, and she then went on to
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Speaker 2: thank him and say that a couple of those people
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Speaker 2: who are advised who are helping him, Tony she and
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Speaker 2: Peter Baxter will remain with the Commission to continue on
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Speaker 2: the interim report. So, as you just pointed out there,
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, no explanation for why precisely he has stepped down,
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Speaker 2: although as I said, I do understand he did have
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Speaker 2: other commitments.
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Speaker 3: Right, let's move on.
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Speaker 8: Well, we knew that when he took sure, he knew
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Speaker 8: that when he took on the job. So that's not
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Speaker 8: why he's resigned.
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Speaker 2: Correct, All right, let's move on now. I just want
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Speaker 2: to get a comment from you, Adam Crichton, about the
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Speaker 2: John Howard documentary that we just saw. Isn't it a
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Speaker 2: reminder of what strong, stable, values based sensible leadership was?
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Speaker 9: Like, Yeah, look, that's certainly true. I mean I was
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Speaker 9: just thinking about the tax reforms that the Howard government did.
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Speaker 9: They had a much smaller majority than the current government,
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Speaker 9: the alban Eezy government, and yet in this term we're
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Speaker 9: just going to get a change of one percentage point
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Speaker 9: in one income tax rate. That's all we're getting. Whereas
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Speaker 9: The Howard government, of course, with a smaller majority, did
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Speaker 9: bold tax reform, the GST, huge changes to the income
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Speaker 9: tax caals. So it was a much more visionary government,
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Speaker 9: had much more impact. But I think back to the
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Speaker 9: quality of the cabinet in that era was just so
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Speaker 9: much greater. The individuals in the cabinet were individually very
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Speaker 9: impressive human beings, and I think the quality, I think
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Speaker 9: it's fair to say, has probably declined over time. That
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Speaker 9: is another discussion, but that's the first thing.
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Speaker 3: I thought, Michael.
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Speaker 2: It's also a reminder that political comebacks are possible. It's
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Speaker 2: probably something the Liberal Party needs to hear at this
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Speaker 2: point in time.
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Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, first of all, the Chris Hulman and Mark Calbot,
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Speaker 8: what a stunning piece of work. That was, My goodness,
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Speaker 8: for some an OL Party hack like me, your life
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Speaker 8: flashes before your eyes when you see that. In Cilo's figures,
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Speaker 8: what great figures. The Howard government had Costello and Wreath Downer,
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Speaker 8: the Kemp brothers, Richitdals than the Great National Party figures. Mean,
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Speaker 8: what a tour to force that government was John Anderson,
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Speaker 8: Tim Fisher. But you know, history is a funny thing.
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Speaker 8: I look back to nineteen eighty nine when John Howard
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Speaker 8: lost the leadership a Liberal Party to Andrew Peacock. And
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Speaker 8: I've always been partly blamed for him losing the leadership
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Speaker 8: because a couple of days before he lost the leadership,
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Speaker 8: on May of the ninth, three sitting members lost pre
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Speaker 8: selections here in Victoria to Peter Costello, David Kempn, the
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Speaker 8: late Julian Beale. And Andrew Peacock and his supporters used
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Speaker 8: that as one of the reasons to get rid of
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Speaker 8: John on May the ninth, by saying that Howard didn't
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Speaker 8: stand up enough for his sitting member colleagues. And that's
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Speaker 8: one of the reason, not the only reason, but it
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Speaker 8: was a part of the reason John lost the leadership
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Speaker 8: in May nineteen eighty nine, and quite frankingly, thank goodness
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Speaker 8: he did, because history records that even though Andrew got
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Speaker 8: majority of the vote in the nineteen ninety election, I
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Speaker 8: doubt John would have won the nineteen ninety election. If
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Speaker 8: he hadn't won the nineteen ninety election, he will have
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Speaker 8: lost two elections in a row. He would never have
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Speaker 8: been leader of the party after the ninety election. He
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Speaker 8: wouldn't have come back in ninety three or ninety six,
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Speaker 8: and boy, how history would have been different. So John
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Speaker 8: was the you know, lost the leadership in those circumstances,
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Speaker 8: and through the twist of history he came back. And
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Speaker 8: what a magnificent figure John, how it has been, and
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Speaker 8: what a magnificent Prime Ministery was.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Adam, I've been keen to have you on the
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Speaker 2: show to ask you about the fuel prices, how this
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Speaker 2: is going to impact on inflation, and whether you think
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Speaker 2: we will face another rate rise.
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Speaker 9: Yes, look, I think that we will. I mean, the
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Speaker 9: fuel price globally has fallen a little in the past
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Speaker 9: few days, but it's still about thirty U s dollars
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Speaker 9: a barrel greater than it was about a month ago.
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Speaker 9: That is a huge increase and it's going to add
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Speaker 9: abouero point five to one percentage point to the rate
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Speaker 9: of inflation nationally throughout this year. So certainly we are
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Speaker 9: looking now at one or two more interest rate rises.
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Speaker 9: That's going to have a huge impact on the economy.
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Speaker 9: It's going to have a bad impact on the economy.
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Speaker 9: But of course, for the government's point of view, they
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Speaker 9: now have an excuse. They can blame everything on this war,
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Speaker 9: and they have already started to do that when actually
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Speaker 9: the cause of inflation really is mainly the government, not
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Speaker 9: the oil price. Your price is only about three percent
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Speaker 9: of the consumer price index. But the politics are very interesting,
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Speaker 9: the economics is very interesting. We just have to wait
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Speaker 9: and see how the war goes. Hopefully the price will
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Speaker 9: come down further, but you know it could go up.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we just don't know. There's so much uncertainty in.
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Speaker 2: The fog of war, of course, and Trump is taking
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Speaker 2: that action that I already spoke about in the Strait
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Speaker 2: of Home moves.
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Speaker 3: But we know, as you.
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Speaker 2: Say, that inflation was already rising. We've already had that
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Speaker 2: one interest right lift. But now I bet you, Michael,
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Speaker 2: the rest of the year, the Albanzi government's favorite phrase
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Speaker 2: will probably be global factors.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, Well we saw that after the Ukraine
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Speaker 8: War started, and how wrong that complaint was that it
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Speaker 8: was all to do with them.
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Speaker 5: This is just.
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Speaker 8: Politics, Shari. What's the bigger issue here. Look, we had
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Speaker 8: petrol rationing during Second World War. I mean, that's just
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Speaker 8: what happens in a war. You know, this whole notion
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Speaker 8: that there's fuel supply shortages order, Well, yes, of course,
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Speaker 8: this is a worldwide phenomenon during the war. I mean,
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Speaker 8: Churchill said in nineteen forty that that one of the
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Speaker 8: reasons they are at war with Nazi Germany was to
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Speaker 8: was to end the scourge of Nazis and throughout the world,
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Speaker 8: because he saw them creeping throughout Europe. This is what
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Speaker 8: happens when you when you start World War three against
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Speaker 8: this neo Nazi regime. There are consequences, you know, I'm
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Speaker 8: sorry about that. But this notion that, oh, you know,
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Speaker 8: eleven days in this with it's an endless war. For
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Speaker 8: goodness sake. You know, when Chamberlain said we're at war
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Speaker 8: with Germany in nineteen thirty nine, he didn't say, don't worry, folks,
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Speaker 8: it's only going for twelve days. It's a short, sharp
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Speaker 8: war against that olf. It it'll be over in a
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Speaker 8: few weeks. People people didn't think, oh, well, you know,
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Speaker 8: it's sure, we need a short, sharp war. I mean,
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Speaker 8: Lindsey Graham's got it right. This will be a great
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Speaker 8: triumph for American and Trump, Israel and the free world
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Speaker 8: if there's regime change in Iran, and if there isn't,
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Speaker 8: despite all the achievements of the American government in what's happening.
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Speaker 8: It won't be a complete victory.
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Speaker 2: If that x days in play share agree, it would
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Speaker 2: have been a wasted opportunity. Very quickly, before we go,
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Speaker 2: we've been discussing this week an incredible story that Ben
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Speaker 2: Forden broke. Two foster children age twelve and fourteen, have
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Speaker 2: been living with a triple killer, Reginald Arthur All, who
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Speaker 2: now calls himself Regina Well Ben had on this morning
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Speaker 2: the New South I was government minister Kate Washington, who
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Speaker 2: admitted that her department was first told about this back
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Speaker 2: in December. Now, Adam, this entire story is beyond belief.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, it's just a reminder of the inefficiency of bureaucracies.
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Speaker 9: And you know, they don't have the best interests of
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Speaker 9: their subjects at heart as an ordinary family would or
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Speaker 9: relations of the family would. So look at a shocking situation,
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Speaker 9: but sadly these sorts of situations are inevitable with government,
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Speaker 9: and you know, we just have to face up to
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Speaker 9: those facts. That's how they happen.
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Speaker 7: To agree with that.
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Speaker 3: You don't want them to be inevitable.
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Speaker 2: You want proper checks to be done about who foster
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Speaker 2: children are living with. I mean, that's the very least
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Speaker 2: we can expect. Surely, moving on to a final typeic.
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Speaker 9: You will never have perfect government.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you should have a perfect situation where
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Speaker 2: every foster parents or people in the house are checked
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Speaker 2: by the Department of Community Services. We've got twenty seconds,
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Speaker 2: so I'll end on this one. Clive Palmer announced his
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Speaker 2: political comeback today, and you know you think he would
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Speaker 2: claim he changed policies, but listen to what he said.
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Speaker 10: I've lost a lot of weight. Can't you see that
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Speaker 10: I've been on a Kito diet. I've been running right.
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Speaker 10: I've been reinvigorated by not having too much sugar and
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Speaker 10: too much carbohydrates.
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Speaker 3: I think, Michael his quit sugar. It's going to make
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Speaker 3: all the difference.
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Speaker 8: Oh, I mean, look, can he please stop advertising on
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Speaker 8: Sky News. I don't want to watch him all day
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Speaker 8: for the next two years. Please go on the other networks. Please,
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Speaker 8: Clive give us a break.
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Speaker 2: Right. We might like the out income, but that's that's
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Speaker 2: all he's good for. I think, Clive Palmer all right,
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, Adam, great.
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Speaker 3: And great to see you.
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Speaker 2: Still to calm intelligence agencies for Iranian sleeper cell networks
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Speaker 2: are being activated moss Ads former head of counterintelligence will
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Speaker 2: join me live after the break. We've seen reports this
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Speaker 2: week that America has intercepted encrypted messages ordering the activation
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Speaker 2: of Iranian sleeper cells globally, and former Mossads head of
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Speaker 2: counterintelligence or dead Alam, joins me now live from Israel
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Speaker 2: or Dad. Great to see you again, Thanks for your time.
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Speaker 2: How do these Iranian sleeper cells globally operate.
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 11: In twenty eighteen after a fold attack by Iranian diplomats
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Speaker 11: in Paris, they'reins that figured out the perfect crime, which
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Speaker 11: means they can commit terrorism without being blamed. There in fact,
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Speaker 11: turn the world dry. Gangs, street criminals, hired thugs into
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Speaker 11: some sort of a ghost army that can operate on
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Speaker 11: their behalf. The model is most like a mafia model
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Speaker 11: where the godfather sits in the back and the people
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Speaker 11: on the street has no real connection to the Godfather,
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Speaker 11: which support denial ability to the Iranians if those people
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Speaker 11: are called. This is a method that has been developed
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Speaker 11: by them since two thousand and eighteen, and it's absolutely
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Speaker 11: across the world and its distance between the Iranians and
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Speaker 11: the actual terrorists. Now, those people who are recruited can
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Speaker 11: be street gangs like we've seen in Sweden. They've even
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Speaker 11: recruited teenagers to throw grenades that Israeli embassy, and they
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Speaker 11: can a drug dealer in Azerbaijan that was supposed to
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Speaker 11: assassinate a rabbi. And almost twenty incidents in the UK,
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Speaker 11: and of course we have seen the incident the latest
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Speaker 11: one in Australia.
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Speaker 10: So this is.
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Speaker 3: We've had a couple over the past year, exactly right.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so this is a new approach by the Iranians.
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Speaker 11: It's very unconventional and it's not what we have seen
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Speaker 11: in the past. But it's quite an alarming because the
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Speaker 11: Western society are not able to confront this such a
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Speaker 11: new war. I would say, if I can use a
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Speaker 11: metaphor using an uber driver to commit an act of
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Speaker 11: terror and once you get the car, but the terrorists disappear.
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Speaker 2: So how many of these I was going to say
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Speaker 2: Iranian operatives, but they may not be Iranian, they might
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Speaker 2: be hired criminals. But how many of these operatives does
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Speaker 2: MOCADE estimate are in key countries in the West. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about thousands of cells here.
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Speaker 11: Unfortunately, you are correct, this is exactly the number that
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Speaker 11: we are talking about We are talking about hundreds and
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Speaker 11: even thousands of those shell cells because it's very easy
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Speaker 11: to recruit them. You don't need ideo logic, you don't
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Speaker 11: need nothing. It just has to pay the money, and
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Speaker 11: the money usually is transferred by bitcoin or other crypto methods.
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Speaker 11: It's very easy to trace those people and they are
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Speaker 11: like dispensable paper cup once they conduct what they do.
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Speaker 11: The Iranians don't really care of their faith or if
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Speaker 11: they're caught or not, so it's really a challenge for
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Speaker 11: all these international security services to cope with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's worrying, and we just saw today the sentencing
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Speaker 2: for one of these figures linked to some of the
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Speaker 2: crimes or dead Ailam, thank you very much for your
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Speaker 2: time and your insights. Really appreciate it. Thanks everyone for
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Speaker 2: your company tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight for
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Speaker 2: a full hour. And here is per Mari