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The Kenny Report | 13 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: More climate madness and hypocrisy at a global conference.
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Speaker 1: But don't worry. Blackout Bowen is on the way.
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Speaker 2: I'll show you how the ABC is still stuck in
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Speaker 2: a bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.
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Speaker 1: While in the US, our own Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 2: Has received a public slapdown from the Trump camp, and
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Speaker 2: while Elon Mask is set to tackle the US bureaucracy,
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Speaker 2: it's out of control here due to the Sloan we'll
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Speaker 2: talk to me about that and immigration. Lots more too,
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Speaker 2: plus the Wednesday wrangle. Let's get into it. Climate fear mongering,
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Speaker 2: climate hypocrisy, and climate insanity. They truly are inexhaustible. If
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Speaker 2: we could power the world on this stuff, we'd be
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Speaker 2: home and host and fresh on the heels of revealing
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Speaker 2: its defense net zero strategy. That's right, as I've been
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Speaker 2: highlighting all week, this Albanezi labor government wants us to
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Speaker 2: fly fighter jets, run tanks, fuel bombers, sales ships, transport
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Speaker 2: troops and defend our nation on zero carbon emissions. This
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Speaker 2: is an embarrassing delusion. I mean, take the carbon emissions
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Speaker 2: out of this. Yeah, take the carbon emissions out of that.
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Speaker 2: And what if you've got you've got soldiers having a
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Speaker 2: picnic on.
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Speaker 1: The ground and waiting to be invaded.
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Speaker 2: I think you can expect Peter Dutton and the Coalition
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Speaker 2: to start making a big noise about this between now
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Speaker 2: and the election. But for more climate insanity, today we
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Speaker 2: go to the other side of the world and Baku,
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Speaker 2: the capital city of Azerbaijan, which is hosting the latest
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Speaker 2: round of climate talks, the COP twenty nine. Now the
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Speaker 2: location has created a bit of a stir because it's
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Speaker 2: another oil and gas exporting nation, following on from the
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Speaker 2: United Arab Emirates last year. But just because these people
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Speaker 2: are standing on oil and gas reserves, it doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: they don't preach doom and gloom colics.
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Speaker 3: We are on the road to ruin, but these are
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Speaker 3: not the future problems. Climate change is already here, from
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Speaker 3: flood at homes in Spain to forest fires in Australia,
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Speaker 3: from rising oceans in the Pacific to button plans in
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Speaker 3: East Africa. Whether you see them or not, people are
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Speaker 3: suffering in the shadows. They are dying in the dark,
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Speaker 3: and they need more than compassion.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully someone sometime will let him know that Australia has
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Speaker 2: always had bush fires, that Europe's always had floods too.
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Speaker 2: But let's move on back here in Australia. If you
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Speaker 2: think kids are starting to feel too comfortable and relaxed,
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Speaker 2: don't worry because the ABC Kids News program behind the
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Speaker 2: news is keeping them up to date with the vibe
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Speaker 2: in Baku.
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Speaker 3: Whether you see them or not, people are suffering in
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Speaker 3: the shadows.
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Speaker 4: There's heaps on the agenda this year. Twenty twenty four
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Speaker 4: is on track to be the hottest year on record,
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Speaker 4: and we've seen a lot of really serious weather events
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Speaker 4: lately that are going to be big topics of discussion.
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Speaker 4: There's also said to be a strong focus on finance
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Speaker 4: this year, as leaders try to figure out how to
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Speaker 4: pay for the impacts of climate change and the weather
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Speaker 4: events that come with it.
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Speaker 1: They got to frighten the kids, don't they.
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Speaker 2: And the big focus of this COP twenty nine meeting
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Speaker 2: is money, getting rich nations to chip in more cash,
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Speaker 2: and they're upfront about it.
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Speaker 5: Eight hundred and fifty three million yoos dollars have been
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Speaker 5: pledged to date, and we named the Philippines as the
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Speaker 5: host country for the board, and let me call on
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Speaker 5: every party who can to contribute and at this cop
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Speaker 5: the finance cop.
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Speaker 2: The finance cop, cop that, And just to ruin your
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Speaker 2: chances of sleeping world, tonight, I need to let you
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Speaker 2: know that our Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen is
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Speaker 2: heading to Baku next week and you'll have your.
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Speaker 1: Tax dollars in his back pocket.
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Speaker 2: Funny, isn't it that they want a net zero defense force,
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Speaker 2: but barn.
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Speaker 1: Will fly to Baku on a gas guzzling jet.
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Speaker 2: Because nobody has yet come up with a net zero
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Speaker 2: government minister.
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Speaker 1: But I digress. The big talking point in Bakhu is not.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, strangely enough, but it's the United States and
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Speaker 2: how things are about to change.
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Speaker 6: Last night workers were putting the finishing touches to the
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Speaker 6: conference venue. Mister Trump has said he'll pull out of
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Speaker 6: the key part of the UN climate talks. The US
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Speaker 6: has sent a delegation here. Any promises they make are
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Speaker 6: likely to be overturned when Trump takes office in January.
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Speaker 1: I can give you some of the statistics.
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Speaker 6: Relate activists involved in the talks say they don't think
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Speaker 6: the summit will be derailed. Raising a trillion dollars a
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Speaker 6: year was always going to be a tall order, but
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Speaker 6: with the US set to pull out of the game,
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Speaker 6: it will be even harder, and that could have an
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Speaker 6: impact on climate action for years to come, because the
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Speaker 6: less money raised, the less likely countries are to dial
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Speaker 6: up their carbon cutting ambitions.
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Speaker 2: Talk about Trump raining on the climate industry parade, But
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Speaker 2: this stuff gets even more interesting because Azerbaijan has copped
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Speaker 2: excuse the pun, It's copped some criticism for hosting COP
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Speaker 2: when it's a fossil fuel exporter. Much of the criticism
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Speaker 2: has come from the US, and Azerbaijan's president.
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Speaker 1: Didn't like his country being called a petro state.
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Speaker 7: Bake News media of the country, which is number one
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Speaker 7: oil and gas producer in the world and produces thirty
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Speaker 7: names more oil than another Baijan call us petro stick
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Speaker 7: they'd better look at themselves.
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, and he went further.
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Speaker 2: He said his country should not be judged merely over
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Speaker 2: what its natural resources happen to be.
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Speaker 7: Not the country's natural resources.
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Speaker 2: Which are the gift of the good spot on right.
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Speaker 2: Azerbaijan is blessed to have bountiful resources oil and gas.
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Speaker 2: Any country would be. Remember, we used to proudly boast
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Speaker 2: that we are an energy rich nation. So much coal,
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Speaker 2: so much gas, so much uranium in Australia. They are
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Speaker 2: a gift, a gift of God or Gaya if you prefer.
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Speaker 2: But the climate zealots and green left well, they went
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Speaker 2: a bit nuts at the president's description of fossil fuels
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Speaker 2: as a gift from God. Oh my god, he actually
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Speaker 2: said that, when one tweet, if he continues to explore
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Speaker 2: natural resources, what's the point of cop twenty nine? Really,
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Speaker 2: he should just plunge his nation and others into poverty
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Speaker 2: and a medieval lifestyle instead.
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Speaker 1: Gift from God?
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Speaker 2: Read another, What bollocks, More like a gift from the carboniferous.
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Speaker 2: The man is deranged, said another tweet. But it seems
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Speaker 2: like the world is embracing deranged. I think he might
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Speaker 2: be right, but not in the way he thinks. One
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Speaker 2: tweet said it was the worst thing to say at
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Speaker 2: a climate summit, and another suggested the president had missed
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Speaker 2: the green dream memo. Perhaps he did miss it, but
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Speaker 2: is that really a bad thing anyway, He wasn't backing
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Speaker 2: away from the point it's.
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Speaker 8: A gift of the God. Every natural resource.
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Speaker 7: Where there's oil, gas, wind, sun, gold, silver, copper, all
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Speaker 7: that unnatural resources, and countries should not be blamed for
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Speaker 7: having them, and should not be blamed for bringing these
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Speaker 7: resources to the market because the market needs them, the
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Speaker 7: people needs them.
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Speaker 8: It's true.
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Speaker 1: He's right.
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Speaker 8: Natural resources are.
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Speaker 2: A blessing, a gift of the God, and fossil fuels
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Speaker 2: are an especially valuable natural resource. They've powered our industrialization,
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Speaker 2: They've powered our modern economy from its inception. Therefore, they've
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Speaker 2: powered modern civilization and all the wealth and education and
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Speaker 2: knowledge and lifestyle and longevity that comes with it. So
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Speaker 2: push to reduce emissions all you like, push a green
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Speaker 2: agenda as you will, But demonizing fossil fuels, well that's
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Speaker 2: just plain.
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Speaker 1: It's as loopy as this.
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Speaker 9: On this day we will rally and demand an and
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Speaker 9: to the fossils that fuel nothing but our collective demise
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Speaker 9: three Palestine from the river to the scene.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what the fossil fuels free Palestine or what
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Speaker 2: is this?
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Speaker 1: How many more issues does she want to lump in together?
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Speaker 2: How much more misinformation and pseudoscience and juvenile diplomacy can
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Speaker 2: she pedal? I think Chris Bowen is going to feel
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Speaker 2: right at home in Baku. I showed you last week
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Speaker 2: how the ABC, the national broadcaster you pay for, had
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Speaker 2: spent so long debonizing Donald Trump and hoping he would
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Speaker 2: fail that they not only fed incorrect information to their audiences.
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Speaker 1: But they fooled themselves.
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Speaker 2: They actually thought that the Democrats and Kamala Harris were
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Speaker 2: going to win.
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Speaker 1: That's just got no idea, have they.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, If you knew nothing about the AB and the
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Speaker 2: general inability of the political left to learn from its mistakes,
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Speaker 2: if you didn't know how this stuff worked, you'd probably
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Speaker 2: think that now after the Trump victory, they would be
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Speaker 2: changing their ways, reporting the facts and showing some sort
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Speaker 2: of understanding of why Americans returned Trump to the White
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Speaker 2: House in emphatic style. But no, Since the moment Trump won,
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Speaker 2: the ABC has been throwing the toys out of the cot,
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Speaker 2: telling us how terrible everything is going to be, all of.
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Speaker 10: The bitterness of having had an election stolen from him.
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Speaker 10: In his view, he's now back in power. He thought
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Speaker 10: the elite thought he was down and out. He's back
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Speaker 10: in there now. So everything he's wanted to do this
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Speaker 10: is the last chance to learn now. So I think
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Speaker 10: we're in for a trade war with China Ukraine tonight.
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Speaker 10: Ukraine will be devastated by this result. I think it's
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Speaker 10: devastating news as it is for Ukraine, for the Palestinians
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Speaker 10: as well and the Lebanese.
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Speaker 2: Now I showed that to you last week, that was
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Speaker 2: on election night, and it seems there's no cure to
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Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome. It's fever pitch when Trump runs, it's
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Speaker 2: fever pitch when he wins, when he loses, and when
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Speaker 2: he wins again, it just goes into another phase. And
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Speaker 2: the interesting thing about this new phase is it's the
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Speaker 2: same as the odd phase, and that is that under Trump,
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Speaker 2: everything is always going.
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Speaker 8: To get worse.
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Speaker 2: The ABC has given us Trump as a trigger for
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Speaker 2: far right and misogynistic abuse, and they've framed President Trump
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Speaker 2: two point zero as a threat to your superannuation now
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Speaker 2: and according to the ABC, Trump's trade policies apparently could
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Speaker 2: turn out to be dangerous. And there's Trump as the
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Speaker 2: threat to NATO. That's old and disproven, but at the
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Speaker 2: ABC there it is again. And of course there's Trump
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Speaker 2: as a looming threat to Ukraine.
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Speaker 9: Flicked the incoming US president Donald Trump has voted to
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Speaker 9: end in a day.
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Speaker 7: I will have that war settled in one day, twenty
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Speaker 7: four hours.
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Speaker 9: The Biden administration is concerned that would mean cutting off
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Speaker 9: aid to Ukraine and weakening any negotiating position.
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Speaker 1: On Monday nights Q and A, Yeah, it's still going.
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Speaker 2: They brought in who else but their favorite former liberal
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Speaker 2: prime minister to ruminate on Trump. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: given his favored status at the ABC, you'd think that'd
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Speaker 2: spell Malcolm Turnbull's name correctly.
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Speaker 11: People voted for Trump for a bunch of reasons. The
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Speaker 11: big factors here were first the economy inflation.
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Speaker 2: Still at least Turnbull ran the company line on climate change.
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Speaker 11: Trump is a dead set climate denialist and he's day
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Speaker 11: one priority is drill baby drills. He has rubbish renewed energy.
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Speaker 11: Of course, this is a bit hard to reconcile with
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Speaker 11: his new bromance with Elon Musk tes a Pine.
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Speaker 2: That would be Malcolm Turnbull, the investor in renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: And since then, of course, the ABC Trump threat barrage
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Speaker 2: has just continued. There's Trump the threat to Australian business.
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Speaker 12: Well, Australian businesses are bracing for uncertainty as the clock
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Speaker 12: starts ticking down to Donald Trump's return to the White House.
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Speaker 2: And there's the renewable energy push and Trump as a
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Speaker 2: threat to all the subsidies in the so called Inflation
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Speaker 2: Reduction Fund.
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Speaker 13: The bigger worry with the Trump election is particularly the
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Speaker 13: risk of him unwinding the Inflation Reduction Act, which is
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Speaker 13: a major source of stimulus for investment in new energy technologies,
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Speaker 13: particularly batteries and electric vehicles.
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Speaker 2: This is of course what Trump was elected to do,
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Speaker 2: by the way, but still the ABC portrays Trump as
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Speaker 2: a threat to climate targets.
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Speaker 14: Under the Biden administration there has been a focus on renewables,
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Speaker 14: but Trump is all about and he uses this term drill, baby, drill.
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Speaker 14: What would a Trump administration mean for the renewables market.
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Speaker 15: Well, it might be bad news for both renewables and
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Speaker 15: for our security.
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Speaker 1: And it goes on. There's the Trump tariff threat to
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Speaker 1: our farmers.
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Speaker 12: As Donald Trump prepares to move back into the White House,
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Speaker 12: global political and economic uncertainty is taking a hold and
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Speaker 12: Australia is not immune.
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Speaker 2: And the ABC tells us about fears now that Trump
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Speaker 2: could torpedo orcus.
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Speaker 14: But some experts say a second Trump presidency could have
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Speaker 14: major ramifications for the Orchest deal to provide Australia with
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Speaker 14: nuclear propelled submarines.
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Speaker 1: Good lord, what's exhausting, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: At the moment we've got a doddering idea loge who's
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Speaker 2: barely cognizant in the White House. But the prospect of
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Speaker 2: a new president one we've seen before, mind you, one
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Speaker 2: who's actually president for four years previously, one who's won
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Speaker 2: a strong mandate on a range of clear policies, That
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Speaker 2: apparently is the problem. That's what's going to make everything worse.
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Speaker 2: The ABC are an embarrassment. They're wasting our tax dollars.
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Speaker 2: They're more like a university politics club than a national broadcaster. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So a couple of things we need to focus on
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Speaker 2: with the incoming Trump administration, Mark too. First up, a
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Speaker 2: surprise and even bizarre choice for Defense Secretary, Fox News
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Speaker 2: commentator Pete Hexath. Now Hexth is an accomplished man, a
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Speaker 2: graduate of Princeton and Harvard. He's worked in business and
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Speaker 2: in public policy, and he's served and been decorated in
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Speaker 2: the military, with tours to Rock.
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Speaker 1: And Guantanamo Bay.
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Speaker 2: But going straight from television commentary to heading up the
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Speaker 2: most powerful defense force the world has ever known.
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Speaker 1: That is something that is quite a leap.
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Speaker 2: This is a veteran with very firm views though about
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Speaker 2: the challenge confronting America.
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Speaker 15: China's building an army specifically dedicated to defeating the United
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Speaker 15: States of America. That is, that is their strategic outset.
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Speaker 1: Take hypersonic missiles.
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Speaker 15: So if our whole, if our whole power projection platform
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Speaker 15: is aircraft carriers and the ability to project power that
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Speaker 15: way strategically around the globe. And yeah, we have a
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Speaker 15: nuclear triad and all of that, but a big part
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Speaker 15: of it. And if you know, fifteen hypersonic missiles can
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Speaker 15: take out our ten aircraft carriers in the first twenty minutes.
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Speaker 1: Of a conflict, what does that look like?
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Speaker 15: I mean, and when they're if they've already got us
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Speaker 15: by the balls economically, which you pointed out very well
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Speaker 15: with our grid, culturally, the plenty of elite capture going
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Speaker 15: on around the globe, I mean, and then micro and everything.
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Speaker 1: Why do they want Taiwan?
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Speaker 15: They want a corner the market completely on the technological
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Speaker 15: future and can't even drive our cars with other stuff
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Speaker 15: out of.
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Speaker 1: China these days?
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Speaker 15: I mean, they have a full spectrum a long term
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Speaker 15: view of not just regional but global domination. And we
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Speaker 15: are we ever heads up our asses.
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Speaker 1: What a task ahead for hex Othay. We wish him well.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he'll think much of the Australian Defense
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Speaker 2: Force Net zero plan. On top of this, as widely expected,
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Speaker 2: Trump has appointed Elon Musk to head up a Department
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Speaker 2: of Government Efficiency, if that's not a contradiction in terms,
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Speaker 2: so Musk will be in charge of shrinking the bureaucracy,
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Speaker 2: the public service, and former presidential primary rival Marco Rubio
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Speaker 2: is going to be the Secretary of State, crucial position,
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Speaker 2: effectively the foreign minister for the US. This is going
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Speaker 2: to be a high profile and high energy cabinet for sure.
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Speaker 2: With Donald Trump talking about giving these people a loose rain,
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Speaker 2: it'll be fascinating to watch because Trump will want some
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Speaker 2: quick action and the bureaucracy, the infamous Washington Swamp, it's
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Speaker 2: likely to resist in all sorts of ways, and just
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Speaker 2: on that with Australia's man in Washington, Kevin Rudd, in
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Speaker 2: all sorts of predictable strife because of his years of
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Speaker 2: abuse directed at Trump, well, he's been slapped down badly
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Speaker 2: by the President alec's team. Rudd tweeted cong congratulations to
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Speaker 2: the Republican winner, but one of Trump's senior staffers recirculated
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Speaker 2: it on x with an hourglass video attached. It raises
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Speaker 2: the question of whether the sands of time are running
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Speaker 2: out on Ambassador Rudd. Such are the days of our lives.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Doith Sloan, the contributing economics editor of
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Speaker 2: The Australian, joining us live from Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Judith.
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Speaker 2: Look, this appointment of Elon mush to try and trim
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Speaker 2: down the huge, vast bureaucracy in the US is.
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Speaker 1: One hell of a challenge, but it resonates.
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Speaker 2: With us here in Australia today as we read on
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Speaker 2: the front page of The Australian Today that the Albanesi
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Speaker 2: Labor government has increased the size of the federal bureaucracy
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Speaker 2: by more than twenty six thousand people in less than
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Speaker 2: three years, and half of those more than half of
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Speaker 2: those are just Canbra based, so they're not actually service delivery.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen an expansion of bureaucracy as rapid as
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Speaker 2: this in the past and it can it be at
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Speaker 2: all beneficial to taxpayers?
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Speaker 16: Well, sadly, we have seen these kind of increases. It's
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Speaker 16: sort of labor government DNA to both increase the size
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Speaker 16: of the public sector, of the public servants, and to
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Speaker 16: improve their wages too.
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Speaker 17: And of course you see at the state government level.
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Speaker 16: But as you point out, it's really important that these
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Speaker 16: aren't frontline workers. These aren't you know, teachers, nurses, police,
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Speaker 16: or and I think of course the federal government doesn't employ.
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Speaker 17: Those people by and large.
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Speaker 16: These are kind of you know, claimate policy advisors and
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Speaker 16: the like. These are media advisors in prime minister and cabinets.
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Speaker 17: So it's scary stuff.
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Speaker 16: I mean, I think it's really exciting with it's not
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Speaker 16: just Selon Musk but Vivek Ramashwami. I think he's a
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Speaker 16: very interesting character. And you think of artificial intelligence, I mean,
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Speaker 16: this could be something that will revolutionize the way that
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Speaker 16: public services are delivered and the way public policy advice
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Speaker 16: is offered up as well.
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Speaker 17: So it's going to be a wild, wild ride.
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Speaker 16: But the truth of the matter is that the alternative
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Speaker 16: was looking pretty grim.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the point, and you don't want to
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Speaker 2: sound heartless and ruthless when you talk about this sort
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Speaker 2: of stuff. Taught me through this because you've watched it
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Speaker 2: over the various federal governments and state governments over many years.
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Speaker 2: But to say we need to shrink our bureaucracy and
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Speaker 2: public service, it doesn't mean sacking thousands of people.
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Speaker 1: If you can just keep a.
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Speaker 2: Cap on the numbers and allow it to reduce by
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Speaker 2: natural attrition, it's amazing how quickly it drops as a
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Speaker 2: share of government expenditure.
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Speaker 16: Well exactly, And I mean that was a mistake that
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Speaker 16: Campbell Newman made, that he had all these targets about
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Speaker 16: making public service redundant, But in fact, if you just relied.
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Speaker 17: On the natural attrition, which is extraordinarily.
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Speaker 16: High, he could have actually made those targets without all
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Speaker 16: the bally who I suppose I mean, having said that,
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Speaker 16: I think, you know, this is really a time to
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Speaker 16: be thinking through what the government does and doesn't do.
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Speaker 16: I think one of Trump's initiative this is going to
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Speaker 16: be great for us. Chris is going to be so
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Speaker 16: much to write about, so much to talk about. But
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Speaker 16: he's going to get rid of the federal Department of
21:53
Speaker 16: Education in the US, and I mean our federal Department
21:56
Speaker 16: of Education that doesn't run any schools, it doesn't employ
22:00
Speaker 16: any teachers. It's got literally thousands of public servants. You
22:05
Speaker 16: really wonder what they do.
22:06
Speaker 2: So yeah, I had this discussion with my wife the
22:10
Speaker 2: other day, who was a former education bureaucraun. I said,
22:12
Speaker 2: just get rid of the federal Education Department. Let the
22:15
Speaker 2: states run competitive education systems.
22:18
Speaker 1: Let them try and outdo each other.
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Speaker 17: Exactly.
22:22
Speaker 16: And that's the value of competitive federalism. And that's particularly
22:26
Speaker 16: true in the US because you actually have competitive federalism.
22:30
Speaker 17: Within states because you know.
22:32
Speaker 16: They run at a sort of micro level with the
22:35
Speaker 16: local government, you know, education funding arrangements, and so if
22:39
Speaker 16: you can improve your education system, people will flock to
22:42
Speaker 16: the school. So I think it's pretty exciting stuff, to
22:46
Speaker 16: tell you the truth.
22:47
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's going to be fascinating to watch.
22:49
Speaker 8: Now.
22:49
Speaker 2: The other there's big parallels when it comes to immigration
22:51
Speaker 2: as well, between Australia and the US, and you've written
22:54
Speaker 2: about that this week as well. Looking at what's happening
22:57
Speaker 2: in Europe, in the UK, in the US, and of
22:59
Speaker 2: course what's happened here in previous times, and you see
23:03
Speaker 2: really grim portents for US economically, but also for the
23:06
Speaker 2: government politically because they can't get control of even constraining
23:11
Speaker 2: immigration to their own desired targets.
23:16
Speaker 17: Well, you think about it.
23:17
Speaker 16: I mean, I'm sure that the illegal immigration was a
23:20
Speaker 16: big factor in the US election results, particularly if you
23:25
Speaker 16: think of Arizona and Nevada, but also in those sanctuary
23:29
Speaker 16: cities that have had to take legal migrants and had
23:33
Speaker 16: to basically you know, feed and water them and the like.
23:37
Speaker 16: There's quite a lot of resentment there.
23:40
Speaker 17: So they've had.
23:41
Speaker 16: Probably between about seven and eight million illegal migrants under
23:47
Speaker 16: the Biden administration, but we've had half a million in
23:51
Speaker 16: two years now. They're not illegal, but they are essentially uncapped,
23:56
Speaker 16: And that was the point I was making that I
23:58
Speaker 16: think the elect reacts badly to what you might see
24:02
Speaker 16: is surging migration and uncontrolled migration. And the thing is
24:07
Speaker 16: we have these uncapped temporary visa categories and essentially if
24:13
Speaker 16: people apply and they meet the criteria, then they will
24:17
Speaker 16: be granted those visas.
24:19
Speaker 17: And this has become a really big issue.
24:21
Speaker 16: So half a million a year, Chris, so think about that.
24:25
Speaker 17: That's like, you know, nearly half the sides of Adelaide
24:27
Speaker 17: every year.
24:29
Speaker 16: And prior to the pandemic, it was about two twenty
24:33
Speaker 16: to two hundred and twenty thousand extraordinary.
24:36
Speaker 17: It's more than double.
24:37
Speaker 16: And I mean living in Melbourne and I'm sure you
24:40
Speaker 16: find living in Sydney is just apparent.
24:43
Speaker 17: The pressure on these cities.
24:45
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's going to be a massive issue as we
24:47
Speaker 2: get close to the federal election. Thanks for joining us, Judith.
24:50
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Judith Sloan. They're talking sense as ever.
24:54
Speaker 2: Now I want to go to my guest here in
24:56
Speaker 2: the studio, Liberal MP Julian Lisa joins me.
24:58
Speaker 1: Good to see you again. Julian. I just want to go.
25:00
Speaker 2: Straight to something that's been brought to our attention, some
25:03
Speaker 2: fresh vision in from Brisbane. This is the electorate office
25:07
Speaker 2: of LMP member Ross Vast. He's in the seat of
25:12
Speaker 2: Bonner Suburban Brisbane and this shocking vandalism seemingly directed because
25:20
Speaker 2: he's a supporter of Israel. Is that the way you
25:22
Speaker 2: read it, Julian.
25:22
Speaker 1: That's exactly as I read it, Chris.
25:24
Speaker 18: This is in my view of terrorist act. We have
25:27
Speaker 18: seen too many of these acts that have occurred against
25:30
Speaker 18: members of Parliament. I do think we've seen them in
25:33
Speaker 18: Queensland before. We've seen many of them in Victoria and
25:36
Speaker 18: some in New South Wales and We've seen most of
25:38
Speaker 18: them directed at government inp SO to see this directed
25:41
Speaker 18: at an opposition backbencher like Ross Fasta is particularly disturbing.
25:46
Speaker 18: I think the government hasn't done enough to protect the
25:49
Speaker 18: officers of members of Parliament. I don't think they've done
25:52
Speaker 18: enough to ensure that this sort of conduct, which we've
25:56
Speaker 18: seen all too often in Australia by people thumbing their
25:58
Speaker 18: names at the law, the government's done enough to bring
26:01
Speaker 18: this to it a.
26:01
Speaker 2: Well, they shouldn't have to protect these officers. But these
26:05
Speaker 2: are disturbing times and we're seeing a lot of this
26:07
Speaker 2: sort of thing. As you mentioned, a lot of the
26:08
Speaker 2: attacks in the past have been a government members. This
26:10
Speaker 2: is largely pro Palestinian anti israel protesters. We've targeted the
26:14
Speaker 2: government because they don't think Labour's done enough, and now
26:17
Speaker 2: they're obviously targeting Ross vast as well. I haven't spoken
26:20
Speaker 2: to Ross and what's certain on what he said and
26:22
Speaker 2: done on this, but in many it's irrelevant, right. It's
26:26
Speaker 2: just this sort of targeting is disgraceful.
26:29
Speaker 1: No member of Parliament, regardless.
26:31
Speaker 18: Of their politics, should be subjected to this. This is
26:34
Speaker 18: bad for our democracy, it's bad for their stuff. But
26:36
Speaker 18: it's also bad for constituents who wanted to get in
26:38
Speaker 18: and see their members of Parliament about sent a link
26:41
Speaker 18: in the NDIS and migration and all the services that
26:44
Speaker 18: members of Parliament provide. And this is not what Australian
26:47
Speaker 18: democracy is about. We solve our disputes peacefully and through
26:50
Speaker 18: the ballot box, not through intimidation, violence and lawlessness.
26:55
Speaker 2: Now, just on this, I've been very critical since October
26:58
Speaker 2: last year about government's lack of action against the hate
27:02
Speaker 2: speech and the threats and the protests directed at Jewish
27:06
Speaker 2: Australians and at others. And I've often said that they've
27:10
Speaker 2: done nothing. Well, there is an update on that, and
27:13
Speaker 2: in recent weeks authorities have actually laid charges against a
27:16
Speaker 2: few people over Hesbalah flags, over signs that to cry
27:22
Speaker 2: Israel as some sort of a Nazi state. Relatively minor charges,
27:27
Speaker 2: but some action happening. Does this give you any comfort
27:30
Speaker 2: or is this to show you it's a classic case
27:32
Speaker 2: of too little, too late.
27:33
Speaker 1: Well, this is the exception, not the rule, Chris.
27:35
Speaker 18: You know, right from the seventh of October we should
27:38
Speaker 18: have been seeing government agencies getting tough. I've been asking
27:42
Speaker 18: a lot, Now, where is the Attorney General Mark Drefus.
27:45
Speaker 18: He's responsible for the security services. He's responsible for the
27:48
Speaker 18: federal police. There are federal crimes.
27:51
Speaker 1: That have been committed.
27:52
Speaker 18: Has he spoken to the federal police and told them
27:54
Speaker 18: to step up their game in this regard?
27:56
Speaker 1: Has he been speaking to.
27:57
Speaker 18: His state counterparts and asked them to step up their
28:00
Speaker 18: game in this regard? I mean, the standard we walk
28:02
Speaker 18: by here is the standard we accept. And too often
28:05
Speaker 18: in this country we have seen anti Jewish protests turn violent.
28:11
Speaker 18: We saw those dreadful scenes in Melbourne a few months
28:15
Speaker 18: back with relation to landforces protests where police were hit
28:19
Speaker 18: with chairs and cans and door knobs, and horses had
28:23
Speaker 18: spray put up their nostrils and so on, and we
28:25
Speaker 18: saw so little action there. I'm getting sick of this, Chris.
28:28
Speaker 18: I think Australians are sick of this too. We want
28:30
Speaker 18: more action from our government and from our agencies.
28:32
Speaker 1: It is deeply worrying. On related issues.
28:34
Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction to the announcement from
28:36
Speaker 2: Donald Trump that Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, is
28:40
Speaker 2: going to be appointed as ambassador to Israel. Remembering, of course,
28:44
Speaker 2: it was Trump last time that he was president who
28:47
Speaker 2: moved the US embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. Is
28:51
Speaker 2: this a sign of strengthening support for Israel.
28:53
Speaker 18: I think it's a very good sign for israelitik, it's
28:55
Speaker 18: a very good sign for the Middle East, and it's
28:57
Speaker 18: a very good indicator about what Donald Trump's priorities are.
29:00
Speaker 18: One of the very first appointments he's made is a
29:02
Speaker 18: new ambassador to Israel who's a strong supporter of Israel.
29:05
Speaker 18: The signature policy of the Trump years was the Abraham Accords,
29:08
Speaker 18: which has had a transformative effect in the Middle East.
29:11
Speaker 18: That's got to be the way in which US policy continues.
29:14
Speaker 18: That's the way the world needs to start looking again
29:16
Speaker 18: at the Middle East. Cracking on with that is the
29:19
Speaker 18: direct thumbing our noses the West to Iran and their proxies.
29:24
Speaker 1: Hamas and Hesperala spot On.
29:25
Speaker 2: Thanks for Julius, Julian. I appreciate Julian, Lisa their liberal MP.
29:30
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
29:32
Speaker 2: I want to catch up with Claire row the child psychologist,
29:34
Speaker 2: to talk about the media ban proposed social media ban
29:38
Speaker 2: for our under sixteenths. Let's get back to the federal
29:44
Speaker 2: government's move to ban under sixteens from social media. It
29:48
Speaker 2: was endorsed as you know, last week by National Cabinet
29:51
Speaker 2: and bill's going to be put to Federal Parliament in
29:53
Speaker 2: the next fortnight. The Education Minister, Jason Claire has written
29:57
Speaker 2: to school principles asking for their help in enforcing this ban.
30:01
Speaker 2: But there's still plenty of detail to work through, including
30:04
Speaker 2: how a person's age will be verified, but that hasn't
30:07
Speaker 2: stopped the PM from jumping onto social media promoting the ban.
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Speaker 19: Have a look, I want to talk to Australian parents.
30:16
Speaker 19: We're making sixteen years old the minimum age for social media.
30:21
Speaker 19: Too often social media isn't social at all, and we
30:24
Speaker 19: all know that the truth is it's doing harm to
30:28
Speaker 19: our children and I'm calling time.
30:30
Speaker 8: On it.
30:32
Speaker 1: Now.
30:33
Speaker 2: Let's bring in child and adolescent psychologist Claire Row.
30:36
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Claire.
30:38
Speaker 2: You know I'm giving more and more doubts about this
30:41
Speaker 2: as we go on. As you know, I'm all for
30:44
Speaker 2: keeping kids off social media.
30:46
Speaker 1: I think it's toxic for them and I don't.
30:48
Speaker 2: Know whether new government laws are going to be the solution.
30:52
Speaker 1: How are you thinking it's panning out?
30:56
Speaker 20: Yeah, well, as you know, Chris, you would not find
30:59
Speaker 20: a bigger support than myself for getting kids not just
31:02
Speaker 20: off social media, but off screens. I'm writing an article
31:06
Speaker 20: at the moment that says kids do not need phones,
31:08
Speaker 20: like just get rid of the whole thing. But I
31:11
Speaker 20: will admit there is a lot of detail to work
31:14
Speaker 20: through with this, and.
31:15
Speaker 8: I'm not sure if the government's thought it through or not.
31:18
Speaker 20: I've always been a fan of parents having the say
31:22
Speaker 20: on this, but I do can see that that has
31:25
Speaker 20: been an uphill battle and a battle the parents are
31:27
Speaker 20: losing over the last few years, and.
31:30
Speaker 13: We do need to act.
31:31
Speaker 20: But look, I don't even know what they're going to
31:33
Speaker 20: define as social media, like does it include YouTube, messaging platforms,
31:37
Speaker 20: discord gaming platforms? Is it just the Instagram and snapchats?
31:42
Speaker 20: Like all that needs to be worked out, then of
31:44
Speaker 20: course I need to draft legislation and get it through.
31:47
Speaker 20: As far as I know, we haven't heard a response
31:50
Speaker 20: to this proposal by tech companies, but you know, I
31:54
Speaker 20: can't imagine they're just going to roll over without any
31:56
Speaker 20: court challenges or anything to this because they are making
32:00
Speaker 20: billions and billions of dollars, So I don't think this
32:04
Speaker 20: is going to be as easy as the government thinks.
32:07
Speaker 20: It will be, and then of course after that we
32:09
Speaker 20: have to talk about enforcement, developing the tech and how
32:13
Speaker 20: it's actually.
32:14
Speaker 1: Going to be monitored.
32:15
Speaker 20: So there's a lot of gray areas here well.
32:17
Speaker 2: And there is the concern that's being put about that
32:20
Speaker 2: in order to prove your age or children or below
32:25
Speaker 2: sixteen year olds, perhaps a certainly over sixteen, we'll have
32:27
Speaker 2: to have some form of digital identification, and that.
32:31
Speaker 1: Quite rightly worries people.
32:34
Speaker 2: We're only just five minutes away from having vaccine passports.
32:38
Speaker 1: Now you have to have social media passports.
32:41
Speaker 20: Well, that's the fear, and I think in the climate
32:44
Speaker 20: at the moment to the Misinformation Bill and so forth,
32:47
Speaker 20: people are going to be very wary about this and
32:50
Speaker 20: is this a way to get in digital identities?
32:53
Speaker 17: But I think one thing's for sure.
32:55
Speaker 20: The legislation will have to put the responsibility back on
33:00
Speaker 20: tech companies, so they will have to come up with
33:02
Speaker 20: the system the tech to be able to verify ages.
33:06
Speaker 20: I cannot see a situation where parents are going to
33:09
Speaker 20: be held responsible and we're going to be bringing up
33:12
Speaker 20: parents to courtrooms because their fifteen year old has access
33:15
Speaker 20: to Instagram. That's not going to happen. So it will
33:17
Speaker 20: need to go back to the tech companies. But as
33:20
Speaker 20: I've always said, if we can work all of that out,
33:23
Speaker 20: and that is a long road, then it will empower
33:27
Speaker 20: parents to be able to just say no, which is
33:30
Speaker 20: what I've been trying to help them do for the
33:32
Speaker 20: last decade and seemingly that hasn't been successful. But it
33:37
Speaker 20: will enable them to be able to say to their
33:39
Speaker 20: children it's against the law, you can't have it. There
33:42
Speaker 20: is half the class at least who don't have it,
33:45
Speaker 20: and that will be a growing number of support there
33:48
Speaker 20: for them.
33:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the argument that's always held more sway with
33:51
Speaker 2: me the fact that it strengthens parents' arms. But in
33:54
Speaker 2: the end, it's about parental discipline. It's about trying to
33:57
Speaker 2: force this change, and it's not easy. I've got older
34:00
Speaker 2: boys where it doesn't matter.
34:02
Speaker 1: I've got young boys.
34:02
Speaker 2: Who are facing it now. I know how difficult it is.
34:04
Speaker 2: But in the end, we've got to be able to
34:06
Speaker 2: say no and keep them off their devices. As you say,
34:08
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us again, Claire, I appreciate it.
34:10
Speaker 1: Claire.
34:11
Speaker 2: Row there, child and ad listen to psychologists, always a
34:14
Speaker 2: font of wisdom on this stuff.
34:15
Speaker 1: Got to get to a break On the other side,
34:17
Speaker 1: I'm going to catch.
34:17
Speaker 2: Up with liberal MP and veteran Keith Wallerhan on Labour's
34:21
Speaker 2: insane net zero plan for our defense force. Look, let's
34:28
Speaker 2: get back to the alb and easy labor government's defense
34:31
Speaker 2: net zero strategy. Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty summed it
34:35
Speaker 2: up on this show on Monday.
34:38
Speaker 21: Well, they're releasing a net zero strategy, which is insane
34:40
Speaker 21: in my opinion, because we need to be focused on
34:43
Speaker 21: delivering industrial outcomes that will strengthen our defense force and
34:46
Speaker 21: give us supply chain security in the event of a
34:49
Speaker 21: crisis or a conflict.
34:52
Speaker 2: Insane pretty much sums it up. Defense requires machinery, powerful equipment,
34:56
Speaker 2: they need to use energy, and the idea that we
34:58
Speaker 2: can all do this out of quickly and our mausers
35:01
Speaker 2: defend this nation while making defense a net zero operation.
35:06
Speaker 2: It's plainly nuts and it's a classic example of how
35:09
Speaker 2: this climate nonsense has gone way too far. It's illogical,
35:13
Speaker 2: it's impractical. Let me bring in a veteran and liberal MP,
35:17
Speaker 2: Keith Wallahan, joining us live from Melbourne.
35:20
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, sir Keith.
35:22
Speaker 2: First up, had you noticed this announcement they send to
35:25
Speaker 2: slip it out a couple of weeks ago and not
35:26
Speaker 2: make too much of a fuss about it.
35:29
Speaker 1: They might be embarrassed of their own strategy.
35:33
Speaker 22: Full credit to you. You brought it to my attention,
35:36
Speaker 22: and then I looked further. I read the document and
35:38
Speaker 22: I'm really quite worried about it. And Andrew Hasty is absolutely right.
35:42
Speaker 22: One of the things that is core to a defense
35:44
Speaker 22: force is a clear mission, and our mission is about
35:49
Speaker 22: establishing a strong foothold, not reducing our footprint. And so
35:53
Speaker 22: this compromises the focus of the ADF at a time
35:56
Speaker 22: when we're short five thousand full time people, have one
35:59
Speaker 22: sub marine in the water, and we've seen in cented
36:02
Speaker 22: estimates that our borderforce security has twenty percent reduced air
36:06
Speaker 22: hours and sixteen percent reduced maritime hours. A defense force
36:11
Speaker 22: is weak at the moment, and this is going to
36:13
Speaker 22: add layers of complexity and compromise capability.
36:16
Speaker 13: It's insane.
36:17
Speaker 22: And Andrew was right to call it that.
36:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every man hour, person hour, I suppose
36:22
Speaker 2: I should say that spent on devising this stuff, and
36:25
Speaker 2: every dollar wasted on it is money that could be
36:27
Speaker 2: helping to us get the submarine project back on track
36:30
Speaker 2: and fill these other gaps and as you stay, recruit
36:33
Speaker 2: the people, recruit the people, and maintain the personnel that
36:36
Speaker 2: we need.
36:37
Speaker 1: They've got huge problems in that area defense.
36:39
Speaker 2: Yet they're talking here about trialing electric bush masters and
36:44
Speaker 2: trying to run some of our aircraft on biofuels. I mean,
36:48
Speaker 2: what madness they doing wasting our money on these priorities.
36:52
Speaker 22: And they're doing it at a time of peace, relative peace,
36:55
Speaker 22: where we have clear trading routes and supply lines. They
36:59
Speaker 22: have to work in time times of conflict where we
37:01
Speaker 22: need redundancy. And if that was the focus, I could understand, Chris,
37:05
Speaker 22: if we were saying, let's have a fleet of ev
37:07
Speaker 22: bushmasters if there's some blockage to our fuel supply, that
37:10
Speaker 22: makes sense.
37:11
Speaker 13: But that's not the purpose here.
37:12
Speaker 22: And that gets back to the mission. When you compromise
37:15
Speaker 22: the mission, you compromise our national security.
37:18
Speaker 2: What chage do you think that the People's Liberation Army
37:21
Speaker 2: of China will be going to zero?
37:25
Speaker 13: Well?
37:25
Speaker 22: I think it's a unique thing that we're doing, and
37:28
Speaker 22: we don't have the luxury of making decisions like that
37:32
Speaker 22: on our own. We have to make sure that we're
37:33
Speaker 22: putting our best foot forward. And I'm worried Chris that
37:36
Speaker 22: we're going to lose capability. Human capability are right now.
37:39
Speaker 22: There are young junior men and women who are in
37:42
Speaker 22: uniform who are going to be taken off frontline capabilities
37:45
Speaker 22: to not only draft forms like this, but then to
37:47
Speaker 22: fill them in. There's enough red tape in the ADF,
37:50
Speaker 22: we don't need to add this. When every training activity
37:53
Speaker 22: will have a matrix that you have to fit in
37:55
Speaker 22: on the carbon footprint, it will be madness and it
37:58
Speaker 22: will push people out of the ADF.
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Speaker 2: This is the point too, as I've spoken to other vets,
38:02
Speaker 2: it's just insulting.
38:03
Speaker 1: It undermines their own morale because they.
38:06
Speaker 2: Want to be part of an organization that is looking
38:08
Speaker 2: to defend the nation, that being the best it can
38:11
Speaker 2: at doing that job, and this is at best a distraction,
38:15
Speaker 2: if not something that undermines that whole project. Just on
38:18
Speaker 2: this though, it does underscore the need for nuclear energy
38:22
Speaker 2: because you could power defense force bases and all the
38:25
Speaker 2: things they can do with electricity with a powerful, reliable
38:29
Speaker 2: form of clean energy.
38:32
Speaker 22: Well, that's the irony in all of this. Through ORCUS,
38:35
Speaker 22: there's one component of defense will have that capability, and
38:39
Speaker 22: it will be floating at sea. So to not have
38:42
Speaker 22: the use of that on land is crazy and is
38:45
Speaker 22: insane and we keep shaking our heads at stuff like this, Chris,
38:49
Speaker 22: but Australians can afford this. We need a serious government
38:52
Speaker 22: who's going to look at these problems in an adult way.
38:56
Speaker 22: And this project is a joke to be Frank butt on.
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Speaker 2: Keith, thanks for joining us, so I appreciate it. Keith
39:02
Speaker 2: Wallahan there a veteran and also a liberal MP. Now
39:06
Speaker 2: we're going to go to the break. On the other side,
39:07
Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Liz Stora and Justin Smith for
39:09
Speaker 2: our Wednesday wrangle. Should Kevin Rudd be forced to pack
39:13
Speaker 2: his bags? Plus the nanny state strikes again? Individual warnings
39:18
Speaker 2: on each cigarette?
39:20
Speaker 8: Did you not?
39:26
Speaker 1: Let's bring in the wranglers on the.
39:27
Speaker 2: Desk here with me as ever is late debate host
39:30
Speaker 2: Liz the Wrangle and Justin Smith joining us from Melbourne.
39:35
Speaker 2: Why don't we start off this is a Melbourne story, actually, Justin,
39:38
Speaker 2: let's start off with a little bit of post Trump cancelation.
39:42
Speaker 2: It's happening already. To a singer from a band called
39:45
Speaker 2: the Jezebils. Her name is Hailey Mary, and she.
39:48
Speaker 1: Dared to post herself in a Maga hat. Let her
39:52
Speaker 1: tell the story.
39:54
Speaker 14: I posted about the Misinformation Bill, which I thought was
39:57
Speaker 14: getting a little bit sneakily put through the Parliament on
40:01
Speaker 14: the day of the Trump election.
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Speaker 17: But I figured to make it more interesting, I would
40:06
Speaker 17: put on.
40:06
Speaker 14: A Maga hat so that if we get some more
40:08
Speaker 14: attention for shock value.
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Speaker 16: I knew this would get me canceled, but I did
40:12
Speaker 16: it on purpose, and now I am here post cancelation
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Speaker 16: talking to you.
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Speaker 1: What was the fallout?
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Speaker 17: It was everything you would imagine.
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Speaker 1: I probably no longer have a.
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Speaker 17: Music career in the way that I knew it.
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Speaker 1: I do know about Haley Mary.
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Speaker 2: I say, Hail Mary, what a brilliant move, and we
40:31
Speaker 2: need to get everyone out there buying her albums.
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Speaker 23: Now, absolutely, But what does it say about the state
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Speaker 23: of Australia that people were more concerned about the fact
40:38
Speaker 23: that she was wearing a Maga cat, not concerned about
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Speaker 23: this dystopian bill that our government did indeed push through
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Speaker 23: the House while America was dominating the headlines. Nobody else
40:51
Speaker 23: was interested in any other news. This was a sneaky
40:55
Speaker 23: rat move by the Albanezy government and she gets punished
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Speaker 23: for wearing Maga cap. I've been wearing one of those
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Speaker 23: since twenty sixteen, and I'd hate to think of how
41:05
Speaker 23: many baristas have spat in my coffees. But I tell
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Speaker 23: you what, it also brings out the solid patriots.
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Speaker 8: I've had people stop to let me cross roads.
41:15
Speaker 23: I've had security guards give me a knowing wing. You
41:18
Speaker 23: have people who are you know, subliminally we are your tribe,
41:22
Speaker 23: but we agree. But of course it's the nasties who
41:25
Speaker 23: come out with pitchfork sharpened when.
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Speaker 8: Someone like that.
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Speaker 1: Just I've done the same thing.
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Speaker 2: I've been on the same walk in city about four
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Speaker 2: years ago during the last election wearing a Biden hat
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Speaker 2: and everyone wants to be your friend, and then a
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Speaker 2: Maga hat and they want to push you off the cliffs.
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Speaker 1: That's shocking.
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Speaker 2: I've now I did justin were I've got a collector's
41:44
Speaker 2: item Biden Harris hat. They're only you know, they're only
41:47
Speaker 2: around for about three weeks. And I wore that and
41:49
Speaker 2: posted it on Instagram and some of.
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Speaker 1: Our sky News viewers want to lynch me. They thought
41:53
Speaker 1: I was serious.
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Speaker 2: It's already defunct, it's a collector's item. But this is
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Speaker 2: a worry justin Apart from the cancelation as well.
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Speaker 8: Yes, the point that Liz.
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Speaker 2: Makes about this misinformation Disinformation Bill, surely all Australians should
42:06
Speaker 2: be worried about this, and it's one of those issues
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Speaker 2: that you would think would cut right across the political divide,
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Speaker 2: just as many lefties should be worried about this as
42:13
Speaker 2: those on the right.
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Speaker 8: And look, we've just got so I agree with it.
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Speaker 24: We should be far more worried about getting the detail
42:22
Speaker 24: on something like that than someone wearing a bloody hat.
42:25
Speaker 24: We've just got Honestly, we have just got so serious.
42:29
Speaker 24: We take ourselves so seriously now. And if you believe,
42:32
Speaker 24: let's say you hate Trump, that's fine. You've got all
42:35
Speaker 24: the right in the world to hate Trump. If you're
42:37
Speaker 24: going to go to water and peddle your pants just
42:40
Speaker 24: because someone wears a red hat with some words on it, mate,
42:44
Speaker 24: we are lost your hats.
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Speaker 8: Go wear anything you like.
42:48
Speaker 24: But I've got to say, I'm sick of that crows
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Speaker 24: mug on your desk.
42:51
Speaker 8: Can we get rid of.
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Speaker 2: That mug of I'm normally seeing out of the kids
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Speaker 2: bought my Adelaide Crow's hat. And I can tell you,
43:02
Speaker 2: as I always say this time of the year, We're
43:04
Speaker 2: in for a rip of season next year. Don't you
43:06
Speaker 2: worry about that?
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Speaker 21: Now?
43:11
Speaker 2: When you've thrown my train of thought, Now I'm starting
43:13
Speaker 2: to think about our recruits and whatnot.
43:14
Speaker 1: So look, just I want to go to this nanny
43:17
Speaker 1: state thing. You know, I had to.
43:18
Speaker 2: I don't smoke. I did smoke casually many years ago,
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Speaker 2: but I don't smoke at all. But I had had
43:23
Speaker 2: occasion to buy some cigarettes for a loved one. And
43:26
Speaker 2: do you know how bloody hard it is to get cigarettes.
43:29
Speaker 2: You're going to find a place that sells them and
43:31
Speaker 2: they're got locked up behind it, and you know, you've
43:34
Speaker 2: always got to ask some criminals to find out where
43:36
Speaker 2: you can buy.
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Speaker 23: It, and then you take out a second mortgage, didn't Yeah,
43:40
Speaker 23: of course, I fifty bucks a pack.
43:42
Speaker 2: And then they have a picture on them of some
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Speaker 2: cancerous face or whatever to try and put you off them.
43:47
Speaker 2: And now apparently beyond that, they're also going to have
43:49
Speaker 2: individual words on each cigarette warning you while you're smoking
43:54
Speaker 2: it that's a health hazard.
43:55
Speaker 1: This is just nuts list.
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Speaker 23: I mean, who on earth is going to be dissuaded
43:59
Speaker 23: by this? So in order to reach the point where
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Speaker 23: you're reading a cigarette butt that's where it's going to
44:04
Speaker 23: be printed on the cigarette butt.
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Speaker 8: So we're having a cigarette going.
44:08
Speaker 23: Cross eye being like, wait, what does this say? Also
44:11
Speaker 23: as if anyone's going to change their mind at that point,
44:13
Speaker 23: they've already spent a house deposit on that packet of cigarettes,
44:17
Speaker 23: they have lit it up, they're just having a good time.
44:20
Speaker 23: And this little message, after they've pressed past the ganggreen
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Speaker 23: foot on the packet, or the little baby wearing a
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Speaker 23: respirator mask, or someone who's gone death's door saying this
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Speaker 23: caused me lung cancer, don't do it. They've already pushed
44:35
Speaker 23: past those really harrowing illustrations, and you think a little
44:39
Speaker 23: bit of text on a cigarette butt is going to
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Speaker 23: change their minds.
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Speaker 1: But Justin has given a bureaucrat something to do.
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Speaker 24: I look, the biggest problem we've got in Melbourne is
44:50
Speaker 24: far from is people smoking. The biggest problem we've got
44:54
Speaker 24: is people setting fires to convenience stores and tobacconists. We've
44:58
Speaker 24: had what a hundred and sixteen fires since March of
45:02
Speaker 24: last year because of the black market trade here, and
45:05
Speaker 24: the government was so slow in implementing penalties that might
45:10
Speaker 24: pull this up. It's just that's the disaster we've got
45:13
Speaker 24: with smoking in Melbourne at the moment.
45:15
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the US and talk about Ilon Musk,
45:19
Speaker 2: the richest man in the world, incredibly successful and in
45:22
Speaker 2: many ways brilliant businessmen.
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Speaker 1: Of course some of his ventures. Now he's going to lead.
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Speaker 2: Like a cost cutting mission to shrink the bureaucracy. Here
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Speaker 2: is on Twitter saying that it's no threat to democracy,
45:34
Speaker 2: it's a threat to bureaucracy. This is fascinating, justin No
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Speaker 2: matter what you think of Musk himself, do you think
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Speaker 2: he's going to have much success?
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Speaker 24: Look, well, look can My first impression is it's going
45:49
Speaker 24: to end in tears. We've got two giant egos, one
45:52
Speaker 24: giant egos that has appointed another giant ego, and giant
45:56
Speaker 24: Ego number one doesn't like it when he gets outshined
45:59
Speaker 24: by other people, and giant Ego number two loves to
46:02
Speaker 24: outshine people. So I would suggest let's let's talk in
46:06
Speaker 24: six months down the track and see how this cuddly
46:09
Speaker 24: and lovely relationship is fearing nonsense.
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Speaker 23: It has got nothing to do with ego. It's got
46:14
Speaker 23: everything to do with government efficiency and Elon Musk, when
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Speaker 23: he took over Twitter fired ninety percent of the employees there,
46:26
Speaker 23: and Twitter has never worked better. So this guy has
46:29
Speaker 23: form when it comes to cutting the fat, and America
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Speaker 23: desperately needs this. The bureaucracy has grown exponentially during.
46:38
Speaker 8: The Fat administration.
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Speaker 23: Ramaswami, who's going to be Elon's right hand manned tweeted
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Speaker 23: over a year ago saying, day one, you just take
46:49
Speaker 23: everyone who's Social Security number ends in an odd number,
46:54
Speaker 23: fire them. You've got rid of fifty percent those who remain,
46:59
Speaker 23: and five fIF everyone's thinking it's going to.
47:03
Speaker 8: Be talking about take it back livelihood.
47:07
Speaker 23: He doubbled down today. No, they're not lively. If they
47:10
Speaker 23: are simply mooching off the taxpayer dollar and doing absolutely
47:17
Speaker 23: three mooches.
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Speaker 1: Well we'll go down to the local department. Will work.
47:21
Speaker 2: But the point is nearly the point is I think
47:23
Speaker 2: there's I think trying.
47:25
Speaker 1: To do that sort of thing. It's just going to
47:27
Speaker 1: be madness. The other point I think is if you're
47:29
Speaker 1: a pulled it off, if.
47:31
Speaker 2: You're a Tesla, if you're a Tesla shareholder, how do
47:34
Speaker 2: you feel about the bloke's supposed to be running the
47:35
Speaker 2: company now trying to run the federal bureaucracy.
47:38
Speaker 1: And is he going to sit around smoking dope while
47:40
Speaker 1: he's doing this.
47:40
Speaker 23: It's not a full time job. It is something that
47:43
Speaker 23: he's going to oversee. Elon Musk overseas several of his
47:47
Speaker 23: own business social security, legitimately a genius and he knows
47:51
Speaker 23: how to do this kind of thing.
47:53
Speaker 17: Look how effectively he did it with his own company.
47:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit different dealing with a bureaucracy than
47:57
Speaker 2: your own company.
47:58
Speaker 1: But we will see. It's going to be it'll be
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Speaker 1: amazing to watch.
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Speaker 2: I think I think it's going to be absolutely spectacular watching.
48:05
Speaker 1: Just quickly.
48:06
Speaker 2: There is a president. There is currently a president of
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Speaker 2: the US. His name is Joe Biden. And look at
48:12
Speaker 2: him have a crack with an image of violence against
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Speaker 2: a female reporter.
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Speaker 4: President, do you think that you can cut a hostage
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Speaker 4: deal by the end of your term?
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Speaker 1: The headway.
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Speaker 2: Serious question about Israel and hostages, and he talks about
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Speaker 2: a camera bashing her in the back of the head
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Speaker 2: justin If he was a conservative MP, people would be
48:34
Speaker 2: called the politicians.
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Speaker 1: People would be calling for him to resign.
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Speaker 8: Joe's done.
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Speaker 24: I think I think we tapped out pretty pretty awful answer,
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Speaker 24: pretty awful answer. But you can't call any president lame
48:49
Speaker 24: duck because they've still got their finger on the button.
48:51
Speaker 24: They still know the codes. While they're still in that job,
48:53
Speaker 24: you can't call them a lame dunk. He certainly needs
48:56
Speaker 24: to do a hell of a lot better than that.
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Speaker 2: Two points on that, I think Joe Biden doesn't know
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Speaker 2: the codes, and I think he knows where the button
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Speaker 2: he's got. So we've got a bit of he's got
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Speaker 2: the codes. Thanks for joining us, Justin and Liz. We
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Speaker 2: are right out of time. Peter Crevlin's off tonight. Steve
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Speaker 2: Price is in.
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Speaker 1: The chair for her next but stick around.
49:17
Speaker 2: In the man Cave over there at nine o'clock. The
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Speaker 2: Great Man, he's achieved what he set out to do.
49:22
Speaker 2: He's put Donald Trump back into the White House, and
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Speaker 2: Paul Murray is back in the man Cave at nine
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Speaker 2: o'clock tonight.
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Speaker 1: I'll see tomorrow