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  Dude, that was amazing. You should do every pitch drunk.
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  Adam Curry. It's Sunday, September 13th, 2026. This is your
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  award-winning Kimo Nation Media Assassination episode 1903. This is No
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  Agenda. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas
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  Hill Country, we have a special edition of the No
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  Agenda show lined up for you in one of the
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  many... Curry and Friends episode, we have the one and
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  only, I can't believe he's here, Dana Brunetti, who will
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  be joining us for the show. Thank you. And as
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  you know, we like to start every single guest co-host
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  show off with a song. Thank you very much, Just
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  Baker. He'll be here in just two minutes. Sunday Signal,
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  Adam Curry, Brodanna Brunetti. Came through camera ready, calm, cool,
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  and steady. No confetti needed, conversation stays heavy. Hollywood receipts
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  in the trunk like a black Chevy. Say the name
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  Dane, somebody frame. The game from the guy who helped
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  shape a lane where the suits and the storytellers trade
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  favors. Now he's breaking down the feed with curry. No
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  chase. Then a brunette. Move smooth like Andretti. Cut through
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  media spaghetti. Leave the talking heads petty. Social network heat.
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  House of cards when the neck got ready. Binge the
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  whole deck. Appointment TV. Got sweaty. So raise up the
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  game. Let the Sunday feed train. Adam on the board
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  with the brand new code. Play it from the credits
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  to the clips, let the narrative get messy It's the
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  No Agenda Show with Curry and Brunetti Come on, man.
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  When we bring a guest on, we show our love,
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  don't we? that was great no it wasn't all that
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  great but it was okay i mean it's ai what
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  can i you know it's not like guns and roses
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  drop by to do a song for you but hey
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  dana how you doing man um i'm just here at
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  the ranch uh doing the podcast with you i i
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  have uh uh honestly i have butterflies in my stomach
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  This is strange coming from a man who has been
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  at the cusp of all kinds of premieres and excitement.
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  Will something work? Will it not work? But it's good.
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  I think it's a healthy butterflies. Yeah, it's been years
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  since I've been in that arena, though. So this is
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  my first time actually doing anything publicly like a podcast
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  or interview or anything like that. Yeah. And thank you
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  very much. Appreciate it. By the way, in the morning
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  to you. I haven't really said in the morning in
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  the morning. so I think it would be good if
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  you just because you are you know people going all
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  hollywood's on no this is and i think anti-hollywood i
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  think i can i try to get into the uh...
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  troll room but it it says i need that i
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  was up to know you're in no i think you're
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  in no i am i i had to write something
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  and i was going to go why but why would
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  you even want to be in the troll room i
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  mean this is this is healthy is not healthy to
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  do the show and be in the in the troll
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  room it's Hey, that is one thing I have learned
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  trying to get ready for this show. I have a
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  whole new respect for what you and John do and
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  did on the show. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. Oh, wait.
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  Are you thinking you should have donated more? Is that
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  what you're thinking? Because now you see how much work.
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  No. Now you see how much work it is. I
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  don't. Donated so much behind the scenes on all those
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  dinners with John. Yeah, exactly. What did I get out
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  of it? Nothing. Well, you live in the wrong state
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  for a different state. I mean, not the wrong state,
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  but a different state. So too far away to come
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  to those dinners. So could you just I mean, we've
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  talked about you a lot on the show. We love
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  the fact that you're a producer of the show. How
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  did you even find no agenda? Let's just start there
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  and work backwards. Okay. So I think it actually was
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  one of my first notes that I sent in. That
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  I kind of said it, but I moved I left
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  Hollywood or L.A. in 2019, but it was a process
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  that I started around 2018 when I started to see
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  not only L.A. start to change, but really Hollywood change.
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  And I'm like, okay, I'm kind of at the top
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  of my game, and what better time to go out
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  than at the top? And so I started to plan
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  my exit, and knowing, as I said, that things were
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  changing, not having any idea how – much and how
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  badly they were going to change both in LA and
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  in the industry itself. And I started looking at places
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  to move to. And I was looking in Florida, Texas,
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  New Mexico, Arizona. And my business manager said, hey, you're
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  still going to get hit by taxes from California no
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  matter where you go. And a broker I was using
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  at the time said, have you ever considered Northern California?
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  Because the taxes are only 13%. Basically, I wasn't escaping
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  the taxes was the point no matter what state I
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  went to because it's your tax and where it originates.
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  So the profit participation and things, the checks that I
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  get still would originate from here. So anyways, I moved
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  to an area that is not as… Luna is not
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  as full of lunatics and crazies, and it's actually a
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  very conservative area, one of the more conservative areas of
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  California. There's actually a lot of conservative areas in California
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  and that aren't as crazy as like L.A. or the
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  Bay Area. And so anyways, I was here. I found
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  this property. It was 40 acres of land. With a
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  mule. 40 acres and a mule. And it had two
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  wells and a power pole, and that was it. There
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  was nothing ever built here. There was an old crappy
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  barn. That was falling down. You couldn't even walk through
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  the property and it was supposed to be a two
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  year project. And so I was starting to do that
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  on the weekends. I had somebody working here. And then
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  when L.A. shut down permanently and I guess it was
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  March for covid. I bought an Airstream and moved on
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  to the land and I never left. And as I
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  was here clearing the land, literally riding around the tractor
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  with headphones, looking, listening to audio books and looking for
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  new things to listen to. I remembered John doing Cranky
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  Geeks. I was like, I wonder whatever happened with that.
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  Yeah. So I started searching on John Dvorak, and it
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  came up with No Agenda, and I saw your name,
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  and I was like, Adam Curry? What is John and
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  Adam Curry doing together? What's up with that? That's odd.
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  And so I'm like, let me give it a listen.
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  Okay. I thought it was going to be some liberal,
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  you know, leading show. And I'm like, oh, my God,
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  this is so refreshing. This is amazing. Oh, you caught
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  us right at COVID time. That's what happened. Oh, yeah,
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  of course. Yeah. Yeah, and so I started listening then,
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  and you misgendered me the first time I sent in
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  a note. Showed you how Hollywood I am. I'm like,
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  Dana, what is she doing talking to the show? Yeah,
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  okay, sorry. And then the rest is history. John reached
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  out to me shortly after that. And we became really
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  good friends and surprisingly so. As my wife said, she
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  didn't understand why the two of us got along and
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  we would talk so much and why we always would
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  have dinner together and became really good friends and talked
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  a lot. I typically would. take a gummy in the
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  evening and either call John or he would call me.
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  And sometimes I had no idea what I had even
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  said to him. I guess it was enough to keep
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  the banter going. I'll tell you, for 15 years, I
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  was high doing the show with John. So I know
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  exactly what you're talking about. That was the best way
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  to do it, to talk with John. Absolutely. He loved
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  it. So that. So this is really phenomenal because you
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  left your Hollywood career, I'd say, at the top of
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  your game. I'm going to give you the Wikipedia list
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  of the filmography. And you can tell me if it's
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  wrong or not. Starting in 2002, Uncle Frank, Beyond the
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  Sea, the Sasquatch Gang. I don't know what that is.
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  It's actually a really – let me tell you real
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  quick and interrupt for a second. The Sasquatch Gang was
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  with the guys, the other creators of Napoleon Dynamite. And
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  so it's very much in that same vein. Yeah. It
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  was a small independent film we made for about $2
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  million. Oh, wow. Okay. Minnie's first time, which sounds like
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  a prelude to Fifty Shades of Grey. Well, sort of.
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  And that resulted in the very public battle I had
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  with Alec Baldwin on Twitter. Oh, wow. I forgot about
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  that. He claimed that he didn't know that Nikki Reed
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  was under the age of 16. in his memoirs and
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  so I called him out on Twitter because he basically
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  blamed it on the producers as though we had won
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  over on him. Wait a minute, did you just say,
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  I called him out on Twitter? Okay, all right. It
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  was called Twitter then. All right, we move on. 21,
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  which I don't know what 21 was. I don't know
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  what that's about. The MIT card counters. Oh, yeah. Columbus
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  Day. I think I've seen Columbus Day. It wasn't a
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  Val Kilmer movie. It wasn't great. hackers wanted now go
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  ahead well because what people don't know about you is
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  you're a nerd you're very similar to me where you
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  know just enough to be dangerous when it comes to
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  technology I think yeah very similar to you just without
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  the hair exactly go look at his photo everybody hackers
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  wanted
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  I can give you... That was released... I didn't want
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  that to be released, and it was released online. It
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  was about... It started off to be about hackers and
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  ended up focusing on Adrian Lamo. I don't know if
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  you remember him. I know him. But he was... There's
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  actually a weird – that film ultimately led to Bradley
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  Manning, at least in my theory, Bradley Manning being arrested.
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  Huh. You know, what was. Yes. You mean Chelsea Manning?
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  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So when he was still in Iraq
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  or Afghanistan, wherever it was, he watched that documentary online
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  through one of the leaks and. And contacted Adrian and
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  Adrian because he felt like Adrian was a sympathetic soul.
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  All right. I remember this. You know, listen to him.
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  And obviously, Adrian then went and flipped him. And that
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  part prior to that was why I didn't want the
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  movie released, because Adrian was a very good social engineer
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  and manipulator. Right. And he's dead now, but he manipulated
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  two or three different directors I had on the on
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  the film trying to make it and was turning it
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  and swaying them to paint him in a certain light,
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  which that certain light is what made him. Bradley Manning
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  feel like that he could confide in him. So now
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  you produce these movies, right? So what does that mean?
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  Does that mean that you get the most money of
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  all? uh usually it means you get the least money
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  of all unless it hits a producer of a film
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  or a tv show is the one who usually is
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  the the first one who's like the champion of a
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  project that's trying to put it all together it's like
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  a project manager You know, a script is like a
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  blueprint and you're trying to get people attached to it
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  as far as like a director or talent trying to
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  get it financed either at a studio or independently. So
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  you're kind of running around. So this is where you
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  go to the studio and say, look, I have this
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  director attached to it. Yeah, I have Alec Baldwin attached
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  to it. That's that was you. Yeah. Okay, cool. And
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  you're basically a sales guy at that point until you
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  actually start. You're a sales guy with every aspect. You're
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  a sales guy trying to get the director to buy
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  into it. You're a sales guy trying to get the
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  actors or the... The writer to write the idea, if
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  it's like a book or just an idea, and then
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  a sales guy trying to get the studio or the
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  financier to buy it and pay for it. So tell
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  me how the social network came together. I'm going to
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  skip a few here, but the social network, of course,
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  that was a huge movie. Mm-hmm. So – That stemmed
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  from 21. Ben Mesrick wrote the book Bringing Down the
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  House, not the Queen Latifah movie, but the book called
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  Bringing Down the House that we then turned into the
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  movie 21. Um, and the movie was number one, the
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  first two weekends in a row. And I went to
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  Ben and I was like, what else do you have?
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  I'd sold all of his books and including a couple
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  of proposals of books that he was writing. Cause you
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  know, in Hollywood, you're only as hot as your last
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  project. And so I, I'm like, we're hot now. What
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  do you got? And he had told me about –
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  he goes, I had this guy who contacted me who's
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  – there's another founder of Facebook, and I'm not really
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  sure about it. And so I'm like, Facebook? I'm like,
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  we can't make a movie about Facebook. He's like, no,
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  wait. He's like, you have to hear the story once
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  he kind of got into it. And once he told
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  me, I'm like, oh, okay. That's good. And so we
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  took it to Sony because that's where we had done
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  21. So I basically gave them the first look at
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  not that I had a first look deal. And they
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  kind of went back and forth on it for about
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  a week. And then I was like, OK, well, we're
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  going to start going out to others with it. And
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  I was at Robert Luke Kettick's house on a Sunday
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  night, drunk because we were drinking because, you know, partying
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  of the celebration of being number one the second week
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  in a row. And I got a message from the
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  studio that they wanted to get on the phone with
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  me and Ben Mesrick. This is a Sunday night because
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  they wanted to. talked to us before we went out
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  hard to the rest of the town with the proposal.
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  So it was like a 20-page proposal for the accidental
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  billionaires is what it ultimately became. And we didn't have
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  an ending because we didn't know how it ended. We
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  hadn't gotten to Eduardo yet. And they... were asking us
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  about the project. Ben was going through his usual pitch
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  of the proposal, which I'd heard, you know, 50 times
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  by that point. And... And when I called Ben to
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  say, hey, the studio wants to get on, it was
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  like 11 o'clock his time. And he was like, what
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  is like it's like 11 o'clock. He's like, well, what
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  are we going to tell him? He's like, they had
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  the proposal. We've already talked to him. I'm like, I
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  don't know. Just go through the same pitch and let's
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  just let's talk to him. So on with 203 of
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  the executives at studio, Ben was going through this through
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  his pitch. And I told him at the start, oh,
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  by the way, I'm drunk. And it was like, oh,
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  great. And so we're going through the pitch, Venice. And
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  then he like stumbles and like loses his train of
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  thought. And I guess it was in my drunken ambition.
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  I just started blabbing. And to this day, I have
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  no idea what I said. No recollection of what you
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  said. No, of course not. Of course. No idea what
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  I said. It's always how the hits come together. I
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  hate that. Oh, man. And they said, okay, great. We'll
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  have a business affairs call this week, and we'll get
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  it papered. Hung up the phone, called Ben back. He
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  was like, dude, that was amazing. You should do every
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  pitch drunk. So I just want to say one of
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  my favorite scenes from that movie was James Taylor playing
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  at – MySpace, a MySpace party. Do you remember this
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  scene? I don't think that's – no. I have no
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  idea what you're talking about. Yes, I think it was
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  James Taylor. It was like, fuck Facebook. That was in
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  the social network. I'm getting old. I'm forgetting a lot.
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  I'm not sure. Okay. Dana is drunk right now, everybody.
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  So I'm just going to move. We got to get
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  to some news, too, because you did a lot of
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  clips and you really prepared and very excited to deconstruct
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  the media with you because you know a lot about
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  it. Just briefly, though, Captain Phillips was the Tom Hanks
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  movie, which was also a huge success. I think that
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  was – didn't it win an award? Didn't it win
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  an Academy Award, a Golden Globe? I never won an
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  Academy Award. I won a Golden Globe. Not for that.
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  I won that for Social Network. I've won quite a
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  few. I've been nominated for pretty much everything. I was
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  nominated for two Academy Awards. One was for Social Network
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  and one was for Captain Phillips. There was a funny
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  aspect with Captain Phillips where... uh, uh, barcode, the main
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  Somali, you know, the one that's on all the memes.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. It was his first time acting.
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  Um, and he got nominated for an Oscar and Tom
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  Hanks. Wait, isn't he a Elon Omar's brother? No, I
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  don't think so. But we found all of these Somalis
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  in Minnesota. So this was whenever 2012 or whatever before
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  we knew about everything we know about now. I was
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  like, where are we going to get these? And they're
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  like, in Minnesota, there's a huge population of Somalis, the
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  largest Somali population in the country. So we did a
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  casting call there. And I guess I wasn't there. It
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  was a local casting director who did it. And I
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  guess there was the whole building was like surrounded with
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  people that had showed up to audition. And Barca, to
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  his credit, got the other guys that were there before
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  they went in and said, hey, let's like go in
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  together and audition. do this and that caught paul greengrass's
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  eye on the tape that the the four of them
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  were working together and then i'll give you a quick
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  um when they didn't know they got the gig none
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  of them were actors and we had them out at
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  shutters and um santa monica here at the oh yeah
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  i know i know shutters sure i've been there once
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  and Paul told them – they just thought they were
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  meeting with the director. It was more part of the
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  audition process, and we'd already made up our mind that
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  these were going to be the guys. And when Paul
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  told them, they ran out and ran across the beach
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  and jumped in the ocean. Okay. All right. Yeah. What
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  everybody wants to know is Tom Hanks. Is he really
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  creepy? Now, actually, Tom Hanks is one of the nicest
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  guys I ever worked with and was just a really
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  genuine good guy. Was? Was? Did he change? I mean,
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  what's up with the pictures of shoes? The shoes on
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  the weird pictures. What's going on with him? I don't
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  know. What pictures of shoes are you talking about? He
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  would do pictures of single baby shoes. And he had
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  all kinds of weird pictures on his Instagram. This was
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  all when... And they went to... Man, weren't you listening
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  to the show? And he and Rita went to Australia,
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  and then we all believed they were part of the
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  PSYOP for the vaccine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I actually
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  emailed with him when he got there, and I asked
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  him if I could get his life rights to make
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  the movie of him, and I wanted Samuel Jackson to
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  play him in the movie. Okay. Okay. So, all right.
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  So a nice guy. What happened? How did he get
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  such a weird rap?
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  I don't understand that. Well, there's – and rightfully so
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  in a lot of aspects. A lot of people hate
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  Hollywood and hate the people mainly for the politics but
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  also just their craziness. And so some people, I think,
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  get caught up into it, and I think it has
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  more to do with politics than anything. But yeah, there's
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  a lot of bad people in Hollywood. Um, uh, on
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  it from my personal opinion and I could be wrong.
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  I've been wrong about a lot of things. Um, you
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  know, I really think he's a good guy. By the
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  way, I stand corrected. It was funny people. Where James
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  Taylor said it was doing. I'm sorry. It should have
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  been. It should have been. That was the scene you
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  needed in the social network. I'm just saying. So you
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  were giving me a critique. But you thought you were
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  actually talking about a scene in my movie. Yes. I
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  have some notes for you. All right. Then, of course.
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  This is what bought the farm for you, 50 shades
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  of gray, 50 shades darker, 50 shades free, 50 shades
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  I'm rich. I mean, what an amazing run you had
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  with that. Just briefly, where did this idea even come
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  from? Yeah. From the book, I presume. Well, yeah, the
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  book was a huge success. And I was actually shooting
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  Captain Phillips, and one of my executives called me and
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  he said, hey, you know this book, Fifty Shades of
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  Grey? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, well,
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  the author lives in London. I was like, okay. He's
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  like, well, you're in London. I was like, well, okay.
• 21:32
  Okay. He's like, well, there's not a producer on the
• 21:36
  movie yet. And I said to him, what about me
• 21:39
  and the movies I've made makes you think that I'm
• 21:43
  the producer for this? Because you hang out with creepy
• 21:48
  guys like Tom Hanks and Kevin Spacey. You're perfect for
• 21:53
  it. I don't think this movie is made for them
• 21:57
  or those movies are made for them. But so we
• 21:59
  were shooting the interior of the lifeboat scenes and Captain
• 22:06
  Phillips had an old tank factory outside of London. And
• 22:09
  Mike DeLuca, who's now the head of Warner Brothers, was
• 22:11
  producing it with me, a really good friend of mine.
• 22:14
  And. I was in the car heading to set when
• 22:18
  I was having this call and he and I shared
• 22:21
  an office together and I walked into our office outside
• 22:24
  the set there and said, hey, do you know this
• 22:26
  book, Fifty Shades of Grey? And he was like, yeah.
• 22:28
  And I'm like, what? Have you read it? He's like.
• 22:32
  Of course I have. I'm a pervert. Boom! I was
• 22:36
  like, do you think there's a movie in it? And
• 22:40
  he's like, yeah, I think there's a great movie in
• 22:42
  it. So I'm like, well, can you tell me what
• 22:43
  it is? And he was like, well, why? And so
• 22:45
  I explained to him that there was this meeting trying
• 22:48
  to be set up between me and the author and...
• 22:53
  uh here in london and i said do you want
• 22:55
  to come to the meeting with me so he ultimately
• 22:58
  came to me it turned out it wasn't with the
• 23:00
  author was with uh her manager And she basically told
• 23:05
  us that the producers had already been chosen. But do
• 23:08
  we want to consider some of these other books some
• 23:11
  of our other clients had written? Of course. Oh, we
• 23:14
  got the old bait and switch. But by the end
• 23:16
  of the meeting, it seemed like that there actually was
• 23:21
  some possibility that we might be able to get our
• 23:24
  hat in the ring. And then when we were in
• 23:27
  Virginia Beach shooting the scenes with the SEALs, we got
• 23:31
  the call that we were going to be the producers.
• 23:35
  So we basically got selected. So it was a kind
• 23:37
  of a different type of scenario. Where we weren't kind
• 23:41
  of shopping it around, we were selling ourselves to come
• 23:46
  on as the producers. So then just the final project
• 23:49
  I want to ask you about, because I think you
• 23:51
  put streaming on the map. Actually, two series put streaming
• 23:55
  on the map when we were all binge watching like
• 23:58
  nut jobs. One was... What was the... It's escaping me
• 24:06
  now. The cooking meth... Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad, thank you.
• 24:12
  Cooking meth, Breaking Bad. That was on AMC. That didn't
• 24:16
  stream. Well, that's where we all binged it. Because I
• 24:19
  never watched it. And then all of a sudden, it's
• 24:22
  like, oh, look at this, man. I can watch a
• 24:23
  thousand episodes one after another. But what really broke big
• 24:27
  and I think put Netflix on the map is House
• 24:31
  of Cards. Yes. Yes. So House of Cards, that came
• 24:35
  about while I was shooting The Social Network, the scene
• 24:41
  when Eduardo shows up in the rain and there's the
• 24:44
  girls are smoking a bong and playing video games on
• 24:48
  a couch in between setups at that house. It was
• 24:51
  a house out in the valley. Me and David Fincher,
• 24:54
  the director, were sitting on a couch, and he knew
• 24:58
  I worked with Kevin, and he said, hey, would he
• 25:02
  ever consider doing television? And what he didn't know, I'd
• 25:05
  actually had been talking to Kevin about doing television, and
• 25:09
  I said, yeah, why? Right. He's like, well, there's this
• 25:12
  British series called House of Cards about the House of
• 25:14
  Parliament. And we're working with this guy who was Bo
• 25:19
  Williman to adapt it for the U.S. And so that's
• 25:24
  how it originated. It took probably a year or two
• 25:29
  or probably two years. I remember there was another project
• 25:34
  that we had with Rod Laurie that we took out
• 25:37
  that ended up not selling. That was a really good
• 25:40
  project as well. And but before we took it out,
• 25:42
  I told Fincher, hey, just so you know, there's this
• 25:45
  other show. So it's kind of a horse race. And
• 25:48
  his response is such Fincher. And it's very, very Fincher.
• 25:53
  His response was, yeah, ours is better. And it's basically
• 25:57
  like, yeah, go ahead and do that. But I know
• 25:59
  ours is better. And it's going to be, you know,
• 26:00
  this is going to be the one he's going to
• 26:01
  want to do. And he was right. And it got
• 26:05
  taken out to to the town. We had originally HBO
• 26:09
  was interested. And we thought it was going to go
• 26:14
  to HBO and Fincher kept pushing them to do like
• 26:18
  six episodes rather than just a pilot. This was when
• 26:21
  everybody did pilots. And so which was a very inefficient
• 26:25
  method because you would you shoot the pilot and then
• 26:29
  shoot. After production was done, everything get wrapped up, packed
• 26:32
  and stored away. Everybody would leave. And then the studio
• 26:35
  would or the networks would, you know, test it and
• 26:38
  give notes and do whatever. And then you come back
• 26:41
  if they picked it up from the pilot and start
• 26:43
  over again. And Fincher just wanted to go and do
• 26:46
  multiple episodes at a time. And HBO refused to do
• 26:51
  it. And they used the TV show Luck at the
• 26:55
  time as an example. Like we didn't even do this
• 26:59
  for it was I can't remember some really big names
• 27:01
  that were involved, Dustin Hoffman and a few others. And
• 27:05
  ironically, that show got canceled shortly after because they were
• 27:08
  killing horses. But so we're like, OK, well, we'll do
• 27:12
  it the way they want to do it in the
• 27:15
  way that it was still getting done. And there was
• 27:19
  a like a throwaway meeting to Netflix. And that I
• 27:23
  wasn't a part of or didn't go to, didn't even
• 27:26
  know about. And the idea was, well, because Reed Hastings
• 27:30
  had said on an earnings call a few months before
• 27:33
  that they had no intention of doing original content. And
• 27:37
  so I guess the idea was, well, We'll see what
• 27:41
  happens if they make any kind of offer, then that
• 27:44
  can be used to negotiate with others to try to
• 27:47
  get a better deal. And they bought it in a
• 27:50
  room and offered $100 million for two seasons. Holy moly.
• 27:56
  And I didn't know about it. Kevin didn't know about
• 27:58
  it. And it was on a Saturday. And Kevin had
• 28:02
  a house in Malibu. And I went down to visit
• 28:06
  him. And he went out to get coffee. And when
• 28:10
  he came back, he's like, hey, Fincher just called. And
• 28:12
  he wants to speak to both of us. So, OK,
• 28:15
  this can't be good if we're getting a call from
• 28:17
  the director on Saturday and we're going to announce on
• 28:21
  Monday that we're doing this deal with another network. And
• 28:25
  he told us about this idea with Netflix. And I'd
• 28:31
  already known, obviously, as you said, I'm a big nerd
• 28:34
  and new streaming was definitely the way things were going
• 28:37
  and was a big proponent of it and been pushing
• 28:40
  for it and wanted to be like one of the
• 28:43
  first to do a movie that was released online. And
• 28:47
  Kevin had known that. I'd talked about that a lot.
• 28:51
  And so Fincher told us that, hey, Netflix has this.
• 28:54
  And Kevin, to be clear, Kevin lived in London the
• 28:57
  majority of the time. And so. So his idea of
• 29:01
  what he wasn't really aware of, they were just starting
• 29:05
  the streaming aspect. And it was like a website. You
• 29:08
  could only do it on a computer. And they had
• 29:09
  like, I think, like 90 titles on it. This was
• 29:12
  before Quickster. Remember the whole Quickster debacle? Quickster? Yeah. Yeah,
• 29:17
  that was a thing that Netflix tried to spin off
• 29:19
  that completely failed, and Reed Hastings ended up doing a
• 29:22
  public apology for it. I don't remember that. So it
• 29:25
  was early, early days. I remember Quibi. Quibi. I remember
• 29:28
  Quibi. Yeah, that was well after. That was a billion-dollar
• 29:32
  disaster. Yeah, that was – what's his name? It was
• 29:36
  Katzenberg. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, I pick up the phone.
• 29:42
  It was on a landline. and I sell service there
• 29:45
  at the beach is horrible. And I'm on one phone
• 29:49
  and Kevin's on another phone and Fincher tells us this.
• 29:52
  And he's like, so we're, we're going to do the
• 29:56
  show on DVD. And I was like, yeah, Kevin, we're,
• 30:00
  I'm going to do it on DVD. Just say yes,
• 30:02
  and I'll explain it to you after we hang up.
• 30:04
  Ah, okay. Yeah, Netflix DVD. Yeah, I got it. Okay.
• 30:07
  Yeah, so that's his whole idea of Netflix at the
• 30:10
  time. And... I'm like, look, this is going to happen
• 30:15
  one way or the other. It's either going to happen
• 30:17
  in five or 10 years, or we can be the
• 30:18
  ones to do it now. So everybody gives me credit
• 30:22
  for starting streaming and all that. It would have happened
• 30:25
  no matter what. And you're so humble, humble. I love
• 30:29
  it. But yeah, it was what really put Netflix on
• 30:35
  the map. So just as a final Hollywood question, then
• 30:39
  I just want to get into the news with you.
• 30:40
  What is it like partying with Harvey Weinstein? Harvey and
• 30:46
  I, we had some public spats, and we didn't like
• 30:50
  each other. I did a movie. called Fanboys, which was
• 30:55
  about Star Wars fans that he pretty much butchered and
• 30:58
  tried every Every week whatever the hit movie was of
• 31:02
  comedy movies He tried to inject something different into it
• 31:06
  and was just a whole mess And I publicly went
• 31:09
  after him a couple times on Twitter on Twitter. Did
• 31:13
  you call him out on Twitter on Twitter? on radio
• 31:15
  interviews. You can, you can find them out there. And
• 31:18
  I will say this too, with everything, with, I feel
• 31:21
  like I was a complete idiot. Cause when everything started
• 31:25
  coming out about Harvey, I had no idea. Yeah. And
• 31:29
  I was like, I had no idea this guy was
• 31:32
  doing. I had so many interactions and meetings and dealt
• 31:35
  with him. And I didn't like the guy. We did
• 31:39
  not get along. And so I somehow either... by my
• 31:43
  dislike of him had blinders and I missed all of
• 31:45
  this but I never heard anything never saw anything of
• 31:49
  all and I mean I believe every bit of it
• 31:52
  but I was I was like how could I have
• 31:54
  missed all that I worked with a guy and it
• 31:58
  was incredible but um yeah that's never really uh partied
• 32:03
  with him okay I mean, he was at a lot
• 32:05
  of parties. Here, I'll give you a quick Harvey story.
• 32:07
  He cornered me once at the Academy luncheon every year.
• 32:11
  Everybody's nominated for an Academy Award. They do a big
• 32:15
  luncheon. And so it's every who's who of Hollywood is
• 32:17
  there. And I was going back to the bathroom and
• 32:21
  coming out. He was standing by this pillar and he
• 32:23
  was on the phone. He was like, hey, Dana. He's
• 32:25
  like, hey. I'm like, hey, Harvey, what's up? And he's
• 32:28
  like, hey, I just wanted to say to you, he
• 32:30
  goes, you got the best film this year. And it
• 32:33
  was a social network. I was like, oh, really? And
• 32:36
  this was he had King's Speech. Which beat us for
• 32:40
  the Oscars. Right, right. Which was a good movie, too.
• 32:43
  That was a good movie. It was a good movie.
• 32:44
  I don't think it was the Oscar winner, though. Well,
• 32:47
  what do you mean? You got a stuttering guy. You
• 32:50
  know, that always wins. Either you're an idiot savant, a
• 32:55
  stutterer. You know, that always wins. yeah well even harvey
• 32:59
  said he said you got the best movie this year
• 33:01
  and then he called himself he's like all right well
• 33:04
  one of the two and i was like all right
• 33:05
  thanks harvey i appreciate it so you you basically have
• 33:09
  been uh a douche to hollywood you said you gave
• 33:13
  a big middle finger to hollywood are they still calling
• 33:17
  you do they still want you to do stuff Uh,
• 33:20
  not the people that can actually, uh, uh, not the
• 33:25
  people, not the people with power. Okay. Got it. Yeah.
• 33:28
  So, uh, two days ago, I'm, uh, um, uh, uh,
• 33:35
  I mean, you can tell, you know, the way I
• 33:37
  think and it's not. Yeah, you're you're you're no agenda
• 33:41
  producer. We know exactly how you think. Yeah, exactly. And
• 33:45
  it's that wasn't accepted when I left. And when that
• 33:49
  was nothing compared to how it is now. Right. I
• 33:56
  believe that. So two years, two days ago, we had
• 34:00
  our annual television extravaganza moment where we remember 9-11, which
• 34:06
  is to me, it's always triggering to me because I
• 34:10
  think of all the. All the things that really happened,
• 34:13
  I think, you know, obviously, 3000 people died, you know,
• 34:17
  all of this is bad. But out of that came
• 34:19
  the Iraq war, the Patriot Act was signed, you know,
• 34:22
  six weeks later, half the people never even read it,
• 34:25
  you know, weird things were going on. I remember within
• 34:29
  days. The thing was on CNN, there were these people
• 34:32
  yelling on the street. And I think CNN was like,
• 34:37
  well, there's some people here protesting. Let's go talk to
• 34:38
  them. And they were saying 9-11 was an inside job.
• 34:42
  And that was pretty early on in my media deconstruction
• 34:46
  phase. just looking at all the odd things that took
• 34:51
  place. But I learned from you when we had dinner
• 34:55
  just before John's memorial that you were in New York
• 34:59
  on nine 11, not far from the twin towers. Yeah.
• 35:03
  Yeah, I was I was about two blocks away from
• 35:05
  well, not about I was two blocks away from building
• 35:09
  seven. My street ended at building seven. The one that
• 35:13
  fell at five. The one that the one that fell
• 35:17
  because it was so sad about building one and two.
• 35:21
  Like, oh, I think I'm going to collapse now. Did
• 35:23
  you see it implode? No, so I was in my
• 35:28
  apartment. My apartment building was an 11-story building. I was
• 35:33
  on the ninth floor. I have incredible footage from it.
• 35:36
  I have footage of it before the fire even started.
• 35:42
  But... I was at my daughter's mother's and my girlfriend
• 35:45
  at the time was in the bathroom blow drying her
• 35:48
  hair and the building shook and there was a huge
• 35:50
  boom. And I was like, what what was that? And
• 35:54
  all my windows, they faced towards the east and the
• 35:58
  towers were two blocks south of me. So I couldn't
• 36:01
  really see what was going on. But I saw a
• 36:03
  girl that I knew, this model, who lived in a
• 36:06
  building across from me. I saw her come out on
• 36:09
  her deck and look towards the towers and just put
• 36:12
  her hands on her head. And so I'm like, okay,
• 36:14
  something happened. And I told Johanna, hey, I'm going to
• 36:18
  go up on the roof so I can see what
• 36:20
  happened. Okay. And this is the plane had just hit.
• 36:24
  And as I was going out the door, there was
• 36:27
  a video camera that was there next to the door
• 36:30
  that I grabbed. And I started as I walked up
• 36:33
  the stairs, the two flights to the 11th floor to
• 36:37
  the roof. And I started the camera right as I
• 36:40
  was going out because I'm like, I have no idea
• 36:41
  what I'm going to see. And there was two building
• 36:44
  workers, two of the maintenance guys were on the roof
• 36:47
  and one other resident. And these guys were in shock.
• 36:51
  They were up there when this plane just barreled over
• 36:53
  them and crashed into the side of the building. Now,
• 36:55
  you saw it. You saw a plane crash. An airplane?
• 37:00
  No. No, I saw the hole that the first one
• 37:03
  had left. Didn't it look to you like Wile E.
• 37:05
  Coyote, the way the wings and everything were in the
• 37:09
  side of the building? It was crazy. The fire had
• 37:15
  – it was hard to comprehend. I remember – The
• 37:19
  other tenant who was on the roof asking them because
• 37:23
  they were like, it was a plane. It was a
• 37:25
  big plane. And he was like, an A6 Galaxy or
• 37:28
  whatever. I know they fly around here every hour. He
• 37:30
  thought it was because it looked like a small plane
• 37:33
  to me. It looked like a small plane. And I
• 37:36
  remember there wasn't a cloud in the sky. And I'm
• 37:39
  like, what went so wrong? that they how did they
• 37:43
  hit right and i was using my camera the lens
• 37:46
  had a really good lens on it to zoom into
• 37:49
  the hole to try to you know see what i
• 37:52
  could see or figure out what you know because the
• 37:56
  fire hadn't started and then uh actually in the video
• 38:00
  you hear the My neighbor said, oh, damn, there's a
• 38:03
  fire starting. And so I filmed it for a bit.
• 38:08
  I went back down into my apartment and I turned
• 38:10
  on the news. It wasn't even on the news yet.
• 38:13
  And then while I was down there calling a couple
• 38:17
  of people. And I remember when I was on the
• 38:20
  roof, too, going, wow, that's going to be really interesting
• 38:22
  to watch them repair this because it's so high up
• 38:24
  and it's right there. It's my view. You know, I
• 38:27
  see it constantly. And while I was in the apartment,
• 38:30
  a second plane hit. And that's when I knew we
• 38:32
  were under attack. Once I saw that on the news
• 38:35
  and it coming in, so I told my girlfriend, I
• 38:38
  was like, let's get the dog. And get out of
• 38:41
  here. And she was she was opening Issey Miyake's like
• 38:45
  flagship store that day. It was during Fashion Week. And
• 38:48
  she was like, what about the store? We have the
• 38:50
  opening. I've been planning for weeks. I'm like, forget that.
• 38:54
  We're getting out of here. So you left the city?
• 38:56
  You got out of the city? Yeah. So we walked.
• 38:59
  You and the Bin Ladens got out. That's amazing. It
• 39:03
  was pretty weird because there were so many people going
• 39:06
  that direction and we were going the other direction. Yeah.
• 39:10
  And I remember when we went on the bridge, I
• 39:12
  called my business manager who lives in upstate New York,
• 39:15
  right outside the city. And I'm like, hey, can I
• 39:18
  head up there? Yeah. He's like, you're going to be
• 39:21
  fine. I'm like, no, no. I want to get out
• 39:22
  of here. We're being attacked. And so I said that
• 39:25
  on the first plane, and he was who I was
• 39:29
  on with when the second plane hit. And then when
• 39:31
  he realized the second plane hit, he was like, all
• 39:33
  right, yeah, go ahead. Come on up. And they had
• 39:36
  closed the bridges. We were like one of the last
• 39:39
  to go over the bridge going out of the base.
• 39:41
  the city and made it out before everything got shut
• 39:44
  down. So, of course, yesterday or two days ago, the
• 39:48
  memorial was politicized by the media and by our president,
• 39:54
  in fact, as well. This morning, President Trump at the
• 39:57
  ceremony of remembrance for the 184th.
• 40:00
  or who died at the Pentagon when hijacked American Airlines
• 40:03
  Flight 77 crashed there, put the current Iran war in
• 40:07
  the context of fighting global terrorism and one of its
• 40:11
  persistent state sponsors. The president, as if to prove that
• 40:16
  life goes on, will travel this weekend to Ireland for
• 40:19
  the Irish Gulf Open. That's where we find our Nancy
• 40:22
  Cordes on this day of reflection and realization that in
• 40:26
  the president's own words, Iran is now the third defined
• 40:29
  war to be waged in one manner or another in
• 40:32
  the shadow of 9-11. Nancy. Nancy. Major, good to be
• 40:40
  with you. This is a duty that every president since
• 40:43
  George W. Bush has carried out repeatedly on the anniversary
• 40:48
  of 9-11, going to the various memorials to pay tribute
• 40:53
  to the people who died. And today, President Trump spoke
• 40:57
  at the Pentagon for just under 20 minutes. minutes. He,
• 41:02
  by and large, stuck to the script. He said that
• 41:05
  it's on days like 9-11 that we learn what a
• 41:07
  country is truly made of. And he made the point
• 41:11
  that you just mentioned, tying his war with Iran to
• 41:15
  the larger war on terror that was waged after 9-11.
• 41:20
  Take a listen. We salute the service members working right
• 41:24
  now to ensure the world's number one sponsor of terror,
• 41:30
  the Islamic Republic of Iran, will never ever have a
• 41:37
  nuclear weapon. The ultimate victory over the... Perpetrators will not
• 41:45
  be found on a foreign battlefield. It's right here in
• 41:50
  the hearts of families. This was the second year in
• 41:55
  a row that President Trump, a native New Yorker, chose
• 41:58
  to commemorate this solemn day at the Pentagon and not
• 42:01
  at Ground Zero with the other living presidents. I am
• 42:05
  just flabbergasted why our president makes this comparison because it
• 42:11
  is exactly. Because of the war on terror that we
• 42:15
  got into Iraq and later into Afghanistan. And he's helping
• 42:19
  people make that connection, which is probably one of the
• 42:22
  biggest reasons why people are mad at him. It's it's
• 42:25
  it's flabbergasting to me. Well, I think it's part of
• 42:29
  his way of justifying the war because it's going on
• 42:32
  longer than what he had hoped or planned. But I
• 42:36
  also, you know, I don't disagree. Iran is a bad
• 42:40
  place or bad regime. The country is not and the
• 42:44
  people aren't. But the regime that's there definitely wants to
• 42:48
  do harm to us and. Anyone associated with us? Do
• 42:52
  you buy into the nuclear weapon thing? Because that was
• 42:54
  the other part of, you know, Colin Powell's holding up
• 42:57
  the little vial like, oh, you know, this is we
• 43:00
  got the yellow cake and they got weapons of mass
• 43:02
  destruction. I mean, I don't know if they had weapons
• 43:06
  of mass destruction, but they certainly were working on it.
• 43:10
  But how far along they were or weren't, you know,
• 43:13
  I don't know. I found this very interesting. ABC aired
• 43:18
  a speech by – One of the widows from the
• 43:22
  victims in the North Tower. Her name is Terry Strada.
• 43:27
  And she brought up something that has been a mark,
• 43:30
  a dark mark on our government since 9/11 2001. And
• 43:35
  they aired it. I thought that was interesting. 25 years
• 43:37
  of pent-up anger pierced the solemn recitation of names of
• 43:41
  9/11 victims. And my husband, Tom Strada, you are missed
• 43:46
  more with each year that passes. Can it be 25
• 43:50
  years and still we have no justice for the role
• 43:54
  that Saudi Arabia played in your Just feet away from
• 43:59
  the vice president and four former presidents, Terry Strada, whose
• 44:03
  husband Tom was killed on the North Tower of the
• 44:05
  World Trade Center, chastised the American government for failing to
• 44:09
  act on claims the government of Saudi Arabia had some
• 44:11
  connection to the 9-11 plotters. Administration after administration, including leaders
• 44:17
  in front of us here today. chose to protect the
• 44:21
  saudis instead of standing with the 9-11 families you know
• 44:26
  it's like okay abc way to go i didn't expect
• 44:29
  them to i guess i guess it was no way
• 44:31
  around it but they even highlighted it did you uh
• 44:35
  see the woman standing next to her no The woman
• 44:39
  next to her was clearly uncomfortable. It reminded me of
• 44:42
  Kanye West and Mike Myers. Oh, with the George Bush
• 44:46
  hates black people? Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Well... The
• 44:51
  thing is, that is just one of the many things
• 44:54
  that are so irritating about this. Actually, I'm going to
• 44:56
  be talking about it with Pastor Jimmy on Wednesday on
• 44:58
  We Get to Do This. Because, you know, this... There's
• 45:02
  such an un-American response in a way. It seemed like
• 45:05
  we were very doing the right thing. You know, within
• 45:08
  three weeks, we were like, let's go get them towel
• 45:10
  heads. You know, with the French, you know, they wouldn't
• 45:13
  participate. And we had freedom fries. And the whole thing
• 45:17
  was just... We were so manipulated during those days. But
• 45:22
  the thing about the Saudi Arabia, and of course, President
• 45:25
  Trump has made a lot of deals with Saudi Arabia.
• 45:29
  There's... But of course, there was a different king at
• 45:32
  the time, and who knows? It's not just Trump, though.
• 45:36
  Pretty much every president has made different deals with Saudi
• 45:39
  Arabia. But the Bush family had – they had like
• 45:42
  family ties. There was like 30 years of friendship. So
• 45:46
  I went into our – and no agenda archives and
• 45:48
  i pulled out uh... couple clips about the infamous twenty
• 45:52
  eight pages you know about this the twenty eight pages
• 45:55
  twenty eight pages of a joint congressional inquiry into the
• 45:57
  nine eleven attacks were classified by the george w_ bush
• 46:00
  administration which claim they contain information would hurt the war
• 46:04
  on terror But some lawmakers argue the pages reveal little
• 46:07
  about national security and a great deal about the government
• 46:10
  of Saudi Arabia's role in the attacks. They say that
• 46:13
  the pages tell the story of Saudi officials meeting with
• 46:16
  and even funding two of the 9-11 hijackers when they
• 46:19
  first arrived in the U.S. But only a handful of
• 46:22
  people have seen them, right? That's right. Right after 9-11,
• 46:25
  a very unusual story. usual congressional inquiry with both the
• 46:28
  House and the Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman convened to find
• 46:33
  out what had happened. And they did quite a lot
• 46:36
  of research. This is before the 9-11 Commission took effect.
• 46:40
  And they published their report in 2003, and it was
• 46:45
  heavily redacted, but there was one entire section, 28 pages,
• 46:49
  that was taken out entirely. And the Bush administration justified
• 46:54
  on national security grounds, but congressmen that I've spoken to
• 46:59
  who have read those 28 pages say it has nothing
• 47:02
  at all to do with national security, that the Bush
• 47:05
  administration and the relationship with the Saudis is implicated, and
• 47:09
  they also admit that it has something to do with
• 47:13
  the two Saudi hijackers I've talked to the 9-11 commissioners
• 47:18
  and Governor Tom Kaine, for instance, he's seen those 28
• 47:24
  pages. he thinks they ought to be released. He thinks
• 47:27
  not just those 28 pages. He says this is just
• 47:31
  a small part of a much larger story. There is
• 47:34
  lots of information that that joint inquiry and the 9-11
• 47:37
  commission turned up that still has been kept from the
• 47:40
  American people. For instance, their interviews with President Bush, with
• 47:45
  Former President Clinton with Vice President Cheney. Those still haven't
• 47:49
  been released. And I think after 13 years, the American
• 47:52
  people can afford to know the truth. Yeah, and those
• 47:55
  28 pages were released, I think, under one of the
• 47:58
  first things in President Trump's first administration. It was like,
• 48:02
  yeah, you know, OK, so the Saudis clearly were involved.
• 48:05
  They were financed. They released it on a Friday afternoon.
• 48:08
  You know, no one touched it. And it would be
• 48:10
  so healing for the. I mean, you think COVID was
• 48:13
  bad? I mean, that was COVID was bad. But 9-11,
• 48:17
  man, that really hurt our country. Just so much stuff
• 48:21
  that is just not explained properly. I agree. But do
• 48:26
  you think it would 25 years later? I mean, I
• 48:31
  feel like most people don't even think about it unless
• 48:34
  you were around at the time. So, you know, people
• 48:38
  that are 25 years old have no idea about it.
• 48:42
  Yeah, yes, but you and I still think about it.
• 48:46
  Maybe you don't think about it, but... No, of course.
• 48:49
  Every year it comes back. I'm like, oh, man. They
• 48:52
  just lied. It comes back, but look at everybody that's
• 48:56
  protesting with their Palestinian flags and going out. They're a
• 49:01
  lot younger. They weren't here for 9-11 or they were
• 49:05
  10 years old or whatever. A 10-year-old on 9-11 is
• 49:09
  35 years old now. I'll play just a little bit
• 49:13
  of one more clip about this because it's Megyn Kelly
• 49:16
  back when she did news. And it explains the thing
• 49:21
  that is most egregious about these 28 pages. Bob Graham
• 49:24
  is the former chairman of the Senate Select Committee on
• 49:27
  Intelligence and the former co-chair of the bipartisan Joint Congressional
• 49:30
  Inquiry into Intelligence Failures Surrounding the 9/11 Attacks. Great to
• 49:34
  see you, sir. Thank you for being with us here
• 49:36
  tonight. So you want these 28 pages released. them. What
• 49:41
  are you at liberty to tell us about them? Not
• 49:44
  much because I am still under a oath that I
• 49:49
  took not to disclose classified information but it has been
• 49:53
  said publicly that this chapter primarily relates to who financed
• 49:59
  9
• 50:00
  eleven and that it points a finger at saudi arabia
• 50:04
  when you look at that statement that was in the
• 50:06
  nine eleven report saying we found no evidence that the
• 50:09
  saudi government as an institution or senior saudi officials individually
• 50:14
  funded the organization you could drive a truck through that
• 50:16
  sentence there are a lot of holes in their senior
• 50:18
  saudi officials which doesn't rule out non senior saudi officials
• 50:22
  or the government as something other than acting as an
• 50:25
  institution And one of the things that makes this even
• 50:28
  more confusing is that the concept of sovereign immunity, that
• 50:32
  is, that the king can do no... I just love
• 50:34
  that, where that was the statement. No senior Saudi officials
• 50:38
  were involved at all or anything like that. And, you
• 50:41
  know, to this day... There's a large contingent that is
• 50:44
  still 100% convinced that Israel did it. So it is
• 50:48
  something that just lives on, and I just wish that
• 50:52
  – I mean, I know it's not going to happen,
• 50:53
  but to me, it's not like Occam's razor. It's like
• 50:57
  there was no – and as a pilot, I actually
• 51:00
  early on joined pilots for 9-11 Truth. Whatever flew into
• 51:06
  those buildings, it wasn't even well-trained commercial airline pilots. The
• 51:12
  maneuvers they made, the flight data from the so-called plane
• 51:18
  that crashed into the Pentagon. I mean, even the data
• 51:23
  itself shows that wherever that data came from, it was
• 51:26
  300 feet above the Pentagon, so it didn't go into
• 51:30
  the Pentagon. I mean, it's all of this stuff. And
• 51:32
  what was it? I mean, where's the plane debris? Where's
• 51:37
  the luggage? Where's anything? Where's an engine? Well, are you
• 51:42
  talking about the Pentagon or the World Trade Center? No,
• 51:45
  the Pentagon. Well, the World Trade Center, that was obviously
• 51:48
  true because we found the passport. I mean, you could
• 51:51
  not have – if someone came to you with that
• 51:53
  script, you would have laughed at them. You just asked
• 51:56
  where the engine was, and I asked – the reason
• 51:59
  I asked about the towers is because I was there.
• 52:01
  There was an engine that came through. You can actually
• 52:03
  see it on the video. Yeah, it's a very small
• 52:06
  engine. It's a very small engine. It's not a small
• 52:08
  engine. It landed on Murray Street a block away from
• 52:11
  my apartment. It was a jet engine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 52:16
  And that made it through. But if you've seen the
• 52:19
  planes that crash in the water, they just disintegrate. And
• 52:25
  they're tiny little pieces. So if you're crashing into a
• 52:29
  structure, you're going to disintegrate into the structure as it
• 52:33
  collapses on it. So I just want to – are
• 52:36
  you saying that or do you think that – It
• 52:40
  wasn't the planes that we thought that crashed into the
• 52:44
  Pentagon and the Trade Center or that it was different
• 52:47
  pilots or – I'm not so sure it was the
• 52:48
  planes we were told they were. That's the main thing,
• 52:52
  and they certainly weren't being flown by – they weren't
• 52:56
  being flown by pilots. Yes. It's just when they did
• 53:01
  the passport bit on the street, I was like, okay,
• 53:04
  sure. We got him. We got our man. Here's his
• 53:08
  passport. It fell on the street. Okay. Okay, but explain
• 53:12
  that to me a little bit. They found their passports.
• 53:16
  You think that that's bullcrap? Why? Because we found almost
• 53:21
  nothing. Nothing. His passport, they miraculously made it out of
• 53:26
  this horrific crash and then landed on the street in
• 53:30
  New York. It's the same as when planes crash and
• 53:33
  they find the teddy bear or the kid's little shoe.
• 53:37
  Some things do survive. I'm just going to push back
• 53:39
  on you. I have a piece of paper from –
• 53:41
  a couple pieces of paper that are burnt all around
• 53:45
  on the edges that were on my windowsill when I
• 53:47
  was finally three months later allowed to get back into
• 53:49
  my apartment. How did those make it from – the
• 53:52
  World Trade Center all the way over to my windowsill.
• 53:55
  But was it a passport of one of the hijackers?
• 53:59
  No, it wasn't a passport. It was actually from one
• 54:01
  of the pieces from Italian bank. And then there was
• 54:03
  also a piece of glass from Building 7. Well, that
• 54:06
  was all the financial stuff they had to get rid
• 54:08
  of in Building 7. That's why they had to pull
• 54:10
  that thing and crush everything because, you know, Rumsfeld had
• 54:14
  just said, well, we can't find $2.3 trillion. Anyway, that's
• 54:18
  personal healing I have to do. You did a lot
• 54:22
  of work. You put together, I don't know, you must
• 54:25
  have 30 clips. So I just want you to let
• 54:28
  loose and tell me where you want to go, brother,
• 54:30
  because it looks – and you – You really just
• 54:35
  – you titled them kind of – you obfuscated what's
• 54:39
  in them. So I'm ready wherever you want to go.
• 54:42
  I was trying to make it so you didn't –
• 54:44
  I thought the whole idea is that you didn't know
• 54:46
  what it was. No, I didn't listen to them. Yeah,
• 54:49
  of course. I got to tell you, I have a
• 54:52
  newfound respect. Again, I said this earlier, but while I
• 54:56
  was doing this, I felt like I needed to go
• 54:58
  out and mow the lawn or do something because what
• 55:02
  you are is you're like a filter, you're the condom
• 55:06
  to have to dive in and do it. I just
• 55:09
  found myself getting so frustrated and irritated doing it, having
• 55:13
  to deal with it. It's like going into hell just
• 55:16
  listening to these talking heads and you just start to
• 55:19
  really see how they're really starting to spin things and
• 55:21
  how they manipulate things, it was really eye-opening to me.
• 55:24
  You build up this odd resistance, this is what I
• 55:28
  found, is I can completely ingest all of this stuff
• 55:32
  and then I'll say to Tina, I said, oh man,
• 55:34
  I got some great stuff for the shows. She said,
• 55:36
  whoa, what do you have? I said, I don't know.
• 55:37
  Honestly, I don't remember because I park it. When I
• 55:40
  see something, I document it. I get a clip. I
• 55:45
  make the clips, and then I put it aside just
• 55:48
  for the time for the show because you're right. Otherwise,
• 55:52
  you get mad. I think that's the attraction of the
• 55:55
  show is people want to share that frustration. Well, that's
• 56:00
  what I realized is I had you guys to like
• 56:04
  distill it all down for me. And as I said,
• 56:08
  you're like the condom. You protect me from having to.
• 56:12
  go into this what i you know to get these
• 56:15
  clips and distill it down and bring all that to
• 56:18
  me you guys are like my new source i already
• 56:20
  see the art that scaramanga is going to make so
• 56:22
  thanks thanks for that visual oh the condom yeah it's
• 56:27
  all right so um I don't know. You want to
• 56:32
  – Wherever you want to go. Let's get the most
• 56:34
  obvious one out of the way. I have a bunch
• 56:36
  here for – and I didn't know anything about this.
• 56:39
  I didn't really care about it. My wife kept asking
• 56:41
  me about it if I had been paying attention to
• 56:43
  it, and I really wasn't. But it was the Lindsay
• 56:46
  Clancy trial. Oh, we can't get away from it. Yay!
• 56:52
  Yes. Let's start here. Let's start it up first with
• 56:56
  Priest. Hold on a second. Priest, here we go. Let
• 57:00
  me tell you, this Lindsay Clancy debacle – There is
• 57:05
  no universe that exists where a man would kill three
• 57:09
  of his children and be going to the courthouse and
• 57:11
  hundreds of men would show up to rally behind him.
• 57:13
  That world doesn't exist. But somehow there's women out there
• 57:17
  that think this is a good thing. So now we
• 57:21
  are promoting killing children outside the womb. Is this not
• 57:24
  crazy? This is crazy. Yes, I understand she was on
• 57:28
  all these drugs and all the other things. Seek help.
• 57:32
  You're a grown woman. This is a catastrophe that, one,
• 57:37
  that this thing happened at all, and we should pray
• 57:39
  for her. I think she has demons, to be honest.
• 57:42
  But these women that are behind her, insanity is reigning
• 57:45
  in many places. Bye. If you're dating a woman right
• 57:51
  now who is a supporter of this woman who killed
• 57:55
  her children, cut bait and run for your life. Because
• 57:59
  one day you'll be having kids with her and she
• 58:01
  thinks this is okay. I'm serious. That's a big impediment
• 58:06
  for me in a marriage. You know, every single pastor
• 58:12
  that is on YouTube, I call them the YTPs, the
• 58:15
  YouTube pastors, had to weigh in on this. And they
• 58:18
  all had similar takes. I'm like, you know, first of
• 58:21
  all, why? Why is this even such a big news
• 58:24
  story? And why, why? Why get that conversation? Why fan
• 58:30
  the flames within your own church, your own congregation? Because
• 58:34
  it's dividing men and women in a very, very destructive
• 58:38
  way. uh it's dividing some men and women but i
• 58:44
  think most as that priest said that you know I
• 58:49
  think anybody that agrees with this woman or sides with
• 58:52
  her is a huge red flag. Probably, you know, the
• 58:57
  one the only thing I could think of is and
• 59:00
  I see the women talking about on television and I
• 59:04
  wonder if they are not overmedicated, which I think a
• 59:07
  lot of women are. A lot of women are overmedicated.
• 59:12
  Well, yeah, particularly the groups that you saw that that
• 59:15
  are rallying behind her. You can just look at them
• 59:18
  and see when we saw the jurors. It's like, yep,
• 59:21
  they look and sound exactly as I expected. But that
• 59:24
  leads to the next clip, Gail. uh gail yeah i
• 59:32
  got gail I'm curious about the jurors themselves, because we
• 59:36
  know it was nine women, three men. What was the
• 59:38
  age range? What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard
• 59:41
  any of that. What was it? 70-ish to 22. And
• 59:47
  one person of color, and then everybody else was white.
• 59:53
  Right. a lot of the jurors had children. Wonderful.
• 1:00:00
  Was a person of color a woman or a man?
• 1:00:02
  A man. A man. Is a holdout juror a black
• 1:00:07
  man? Yes. A black man is a holdout juror? Yes.
• 1:00:13
  Well, I'll have to sit with that for just a
• 1:00:16
  second. I'm glad you got this. Tina showed this to
• 1:00:20
  me. I'm like, because it's the expression of Gayle King,
• 1:00:23
  who's like... Their head implodes. A black man didn't agree
• 1:00:27
  with every white woman in America? How can this be?
• 1:00:32
  This makes no sense. And of course, if you know
• 1:00:34
  black people... Black American men, they have their heads screwed
• 1:00:38
  on, right? Most of them. I'm going to get to
• 1:00:41
  that as well. I got some clips for that. Okay.
• 1:00:45
  So it just completely destroyed their narrative. If it was
• 1:00:48
  a white guy, like, oh, yeah, we can go and
• 1:00:49
  we can rip him apart. Yeah. And then go to
• 1:00:52
  non-practicing. Okay. Okay. The holdout juror in the Lindsey Clancy
• 1:00:57
  trial was a black man, and I'm not going to
• 1:00:59
  share any opinions because I'm not a person of color.
• 1:01:03
  I am a non-practicing white. I'm surprised. What? I'm a
• 1:01:07
  non-practicing white? Oh, this is new. I love this. Adam,
• 1:01:11
  are you not a non-practicing white? Only when I did
• 1:01:14
  the show with Mo, and that's when I was a
• 1:01:15
  non-practicing white. Non-practicing white. Person of color. I am a
• 1:01:18
  non-practicing white. What does that even mean? This is great.
• 1:01:22
  I'm a non-practicing white. Oh, man. I'm going to start
• 1:01:25
  using that, that I'm a non-practicing white. You know, I
• 1:01:28
  remember the first time that I got called out for
• 1:01:30
  white privilege. It was in Austin, probably around 2012. And
• 1:01:36
  Tina and I were having dinner at, you don't remember
• 1:01:39
  this because you weren't listening to the show, at the
• 1:01:41
  artist's house, Lori Frick. And she invited over a professor
• 1:01:47
  from UT. So it was like a dinner party. And
• 1:01:49
  he's actually, I liked it because he wrote a book
• 1:01:51
  about performatives. And it was fascinating. The guy's fascinating. And,
• 1:01:56
  of course, everyone's drinking. And then also he says, well,
• 1:01:59
  obviously that's, so it came out. I'd never heard this
• 1:02:03
  before. Well, obviously, you have white privilege. Tina is from
• 1:02:06
  Indiana, across the tracks from Gary, Indiana. Grew up with
• 1:02:11
  five girls in a 900-square-foot house with one bathroom. Dad
• 1:02:16
  worked at the steel mill. I mean, you know, it's
• 1:02:18
  like, what? White privilege. But I wish I had had
• 1:02:20
  this phrase back then. I'm a non-practicing white. Excuse. Excuse
• 1:02:25
  me, Professor, I'm a non-practicing white. I'm surprised. It changes
• 1:02:29
  the landscape of the conversation a little bit. And I
• 1:02:32
  think a lot of us were assuming that it was
• 1:02:34
  a white man. I think this is just we're we're
• 1:02:38
  I haven't I haven't really thought about this much, but
• 1:02:42
  I think that we are now seeing the effects of
• 1:02:46
  overmedicated people in our country. There's no other way to
• 1:02:52
  justify this. Yeah, if you could see this girl on
• 1:02:56
  TikTok too, she's definitely on medication. But now at least
• 1:03:00
  I have a new term that she gave us. Yes.
• 1:03:03
  If anybody accuses me, I'm just going to claim I'm
• 1:03:05
  a non-practicing white. Yes, I love it. So now they
• 1:03:07
  have – it's a black guy that is completely destroying
• 1:03:10
  their narrative. But then there was another – I don't
• 1:03:15
  know if this is true or not, but the guy
• 1:03:16
  breaks it down pretty good. Go to Crazy Eyes. Crazy
• 1:03:21
  Eyes. Oh, I don't have Crazy Eyes. It would be
• 1:03:25
  under C. Hold on. Uh... I don't have crazy eyes.
• 1:03:32
  How do you not have crazy eyes? It's such an
• 1:03:34
  old folder. Let me see. Crazy. No. No, I have.
• 1:03:39
  It's crazy underscore eyes. No. I have all your clips
• 1:03:42
  here. And oh, I see under how odd under 35.
• 1:03:48
  Sorry. Now, if you remember Crazy Eyes, the girl who
• 1:03:51
  was smiling in the courtroom with the green dress, Brittany
• 1:03:53
  Romano. While the trial was going on, she was describing
• 1:03:56
  the jurors, and she describes the three male jurors to
• 1:03:59
  us. One of them, she said, was a man with
• 1:04:01
  a beard. Who was this talking? What is this from?
• 1:04:04
  It's another TikTok guy. The other one was a young
• 1:04:06
  dude, and then there was a fabulous black man. This
• 1:04:10
  is what she had to say. It's the young kid.
• 1:04:13
  It's the guy with the beard and the fabulous black
• 1:04:15
  eyes. You really only describe a dude as fabulous if
• 1:04:18
  he's got a little, you know, a little limp in
• 1:04:21
  his wrist, a little twirl in his eyelash. And so
• 1:04:25
  from what I'm hearing, he... Definitely appears to have been
• 1:04:29
  Fabulous, which kind of leads me to think that maybe
• 1:04:32
  he was potentially gay. I know we're not allowed to
• 1:04:34
  guess people's 55 genders or sexualities. But listen, I'm going
• 1:04:38
  to lean on the side of Fabulous. And if Fabulous
• 1:04:41
  is what I think it means, then it clearly wasn't
• 1:04:43
  the young dude, right? We haven't seen the dude with
• 1:04:46
  the beard, but we did see the young dude gave
• 1:04:49
  him a his interview this week so we can eliminate
• 1:04:51
  him as being the holdout juror. And now one of
• 1:04:53
  the cackling hens has now outed that it was the
• 1:04:56
  black man, the only black man on the jury that
• 1:04:58
  was the holdout juror. And it appears that he may
• 1:05:03
  not only have been black, but also may have been
• 1:05:05
  gay. Oh, no. The plot thickens. What will we do?
• 1:05:09
  You and I as non-practicing whites are confused. So it
• 1:05:12
  starts to make it pretty difficult if the guy is
• 1:05:16
  definitely gay and black. How do they take this guy
• 1:05:19
  down? Is he in a wheelchair just to make it
• 1:05:22
  even better? I mean, he's got to have a limp
• 1:05:24
  or a hump. That would complete the trifecta. Well, it
• 1:05:29
  didn't stop them and stop the press from – Starting
• 1:05:34
  to take this guy down. So play takedown one. Breaking
• 1:05:38
  news, the NBC10 investigators uncovering new details about the one
• 1:05:42
  holdout juror from the Lindsay Clancy trial. Documents and interviews
• 1:05:45
  with family members reveal a history of domestic violence allegations.
• 1:05:50
  It's a story you will only see here on NBC10
• 1:05:52
  Boston. We also discovered... Only here on NBC Boston. Every
• 1:05:57
  other channel in the universe. see here on NBC 10
• 1:06:00
  Boston. We also discovered a current eviction case tied to
• 1:06:05
  months of not paying rent. They're basically digging through this
• 1:06:08
  guy's dumpster. To the fabulous black man's dumpster? Yeah, they're
• 1:06:13
  now going into his dumpster. So they found a way,
• 1:06:15
  like, okay, we can't attack him because he's black. You
• 1:06:18
  know, Tina told me this. She said, you know, because
• 1:06:22
  she's my canary in the coal mine. She's so good
• 1:06:24
  at this. She picks these things out one after another.
• 1:06:27
  She said, no, you know, now he's got some kind
• 1:06:29
  of sketchy background. and they're digging through his trash. You're
• 1:06:33
  right. Only see here on NBC10 Boston. We also discovered
• 1:06:37
  a current eviction case tied to months of not paying
• 1:06:40
  rent. And the NBC10 investigators found an active restraining order
• 1:06:45
  against him while he was listening to the evidence in
• 1:06:48
  the case and those details. Well, how does the jury
• 1:06:51
  selection done? That didn't... pop up in jury selection? Apparently
• 1:06:55
  it's iffy whether or not that is- Seems- Eliminates you
• 1:07:00
  or not. You can imagine raise questions about the jury
• 1:07:03
  selection process and how the Plymouth County resident was picked
• 1:07:07
  for the high profile case that ended in a mistrial.
• 1:07:09
  NBC 10 investigator Ryan Cath has been digging into the
• 1:07:12
  jurors history all week. What did you find out Ryan?
• 1:07:15
  Well, Glennon Placidler, we've repeatedly attempted to contact the juror
• 1:07:18
  at the home where his landlord is currently trying to
• 1:07:21
  evict him. We're not identifying him because he's chosen to
• 1:07:24
  not speak publicly, and the jury list is currently impounded.
• 1:07:28
  But we wanted to share the details that experts say
• 1:07:30
  should have raised red flags about how he filled out
• 1:07:33
  his juror questionnaire. Da. Okay, sir, do you have any
• 1:07:38
  issue complying with the order that you stay away from
• 1:07:41
  and have no contact directly or indirectly with the alleged
• 1:07:44
  victim in this case and also that you not abuse
• 1:07:46
  this person? You're listening to audio the NBC 10 investigators
• 1:07:49
  obtained from Brockton District Court in September 2021. That's when
• 1:07:53
  the holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy case faced a
• 1:07:56
  criminal charge for assaulting his wife. According to this police
• 1:08:00
  report, the juror's 13-year-old nephew called 911 after seeing his
• 1:08:03
  uncle grab his wife by the throat and throw her
• 1:08:06
  into a dresser. The report says the juror's mom repeatedly
• 1:08:09
  screamed, you're evil, as police arrested him. Court records show
• 1:08:13
  the couple divorced after the incident and the criminal charge
• 1:08:16
  was eventually dismissed. What I'm missing in this, because obviously...
• 1:08:20
  I mean, it's it's a tragedy, but there's so much
• 1:08:24
  more going on in the world. You know, you may
• 1:08:27
  have some local politics you could look at. But what
• 1:08:29
  I'm missing is they don't have a Trump angle. They
• 1:08:32
  can't they can't pin something on Trump. And still they're
• 1:08:36
  running with it. It's it's surprising to me in this
• 1:08:39
  midterm run up. Well, if it was a white guy,
• 1:08:42
  they might have had an easier path to link it
• 1:08:45
  to Trump. But go ahead and – We'll get through
• 1:08:49
  this and then a couple more with the go to
• 1:08:51
  take down three. We'll skip over two and then maybe
• 1:08:53
  do four. The NBC 10 investigators also learned the juror
• 1:08:56
  hasn't paid the monthly rent at his Plymouth County home
• 1:08:59
  since last March, according to housing court records. As jurors
• 1:09:02
  deliberated last week, the landlord secured a judgment of more
• 1:09:05
  than twelve thousand dollars in unpaid rent and is moving
• 1:09:08
  forward with an eviction. So what they've done is they've
• 1:09:14
  basically doxed this guy because everything, the information that they've
• 1:09:19
  given, anybody could start to look that up and find
• 1:09:22
  out who it is. And I think it's intentionally done.
• 1:09:26
  Yeah. Also, did they do this to the other 11
• 1:09:29
  jurors or any of the other jurors that they haven't
• 1:09:32
  spoken to today investigating? They all jumped out in front
• 1:09:35
  of the camera right away. Like, talk to me. Not
• 1:09:38
  all 11. No, not all 11. That I know of.
• 1:09:41
  So the others that were also in the jury, are
• 1:09:43
  they digging through their trash the same as they are
• 1:09:46
  this poor guy? Now you sound like Tina. No, no,
• 1:09:53
  no. The Clancy trial ended with no verdict. Several jurors
• 1:09:58
  told us how the lone holocaust
• 1:10:00
  out refused to engage in deliberations. He would not interact
• 1:10:04
  with us. He was very arrogant. He really did not...
• 1:10:09
  take anything that anybody said. When the NBC10 investigators contacted
• 1:10:13
  the jurors' family members, they said he'd been estranged since
• 1:10:16
  the alleged incident with his nephew. None of them knew
• 1:10:19
  of his involvement with the Clancy trial. One described him
• 1:10:22
  as a narcissist who she believed should have never served
• 1:10:25
  as a juror in such an important case. So it's
• 1:10:29
  a mistrial. So, you know, okay, justice may not have
• 1:10:34
  been served, but that's how our system works. I'm not
• 1:10:36
  quite sure exactly what happens now. I guess they can
• 1:10:39
  come back and try him again, try this woman again.
• 1:10:43
  I'm not sure exactly. But it's the media that is
• 1:10:46
  just... Using this as, you know, like the whole thing
• 1:10:51
  is just sickening. I'm just so sick of it. Well,
• 1:10:55
  the way they're going after this guy, I find astonishing,
• 1:10:58
  even after, you know, Gail's head imploding when she found
• 1:11:01
  out. But here's here's one more tick tock. I know
• 1:11:04
  you love tick tock. No, I hate them. But thank
• 1:11:06
  you very much. You go with the racist. So within
• 1:11:11
  hours of us finding out that that lone juror was
• 1:11:14
  black, NBC just released an article saying that the lone
• 1:11:19
  juror had a history of domestic violence. Because they've interviewed
• 1:11:24
  family members and they looked into court records. Do y'all
• 1:11:27
  see the play? Do y'all see the play? So were
• 1:11:30
  they going to release this prior to we knowing that
• 1:11:33
  that man was black? And I have to ask, because
• 1:11:35
  maybe I don't understand. In what way is releasing personal
• 1:11:40
  information about a juror even remotely appropriate? Like, in what
• 1:11:44
  way is it appropriate? And yet we're supposed to believe
• 1:11:48
  that these people are not... absolutely racist. They didn't even
• 1:11:52
  give it 24 hours the exact same day. And I
• 1:11:55
  mean, that's a nice little written article. They couldn't wait
• 1:11:59
  to... until we found out that that man was black
• 1:12:02
  to now demonize him in the media in an attempt
• 1:12:05
  to destroy that man because of the fact that he
• 1:12:07
  stood ten toes on lindsey being guilty my question is
• 1:12:10
  does he have a history of killing children no no
• 1:12:15
  wow um i'm looking at your jury form and you're
• 1:12:20
  You didn't fill out if you have a history of
• 1:12:22
  killing children, so... Oh, my goodness. Jesus, come soon. We
• 1:12:28
  are doomed. We are doomed. We are doomed. So, I
• 1:12:31
  did find two others, though, of... Of the whole. There's
• 1:12:37
  actually audio we've heard from the holdout juror before that
• 1:12:40
  no one has discovered yet. If you play a holdout
• 1:12:43
  one. OK, so I'm not going to be lining up,
• 1:12:46
  taking a shot on a vaccination for something. Oh, and
• 1:12:51
  he brings humor into the mix. Very good. That wasn't
• 1:12:54
  clear in the first place. And then you all create
• 1:12:57
  a shot. and miraculous time. It takes years to create
• 1:13:02
  vaccinations. Oh, I remember this. This is the guy when
• 1:13:06
  Fauci is talking up to him. He's on the porch.
• 1:13:10
  Yeah, it's him. You're right. That's the guy. You know
• 1:13:12
  how many years we're invested in this? He's definitely cut
• 1:13:16
  from the same cloth. That's so good. About 20 years
• 1:13:19
  of science to get us to be able to do
• 1:13:21
  it. 20 years is not enough. And nine months is
• 1:13:23
  definitely not enough for nobody to be taking no vaccination
• 1:13:26
  that you all came up with. That was so good.
• 1:13:29
  That was a fabulous black guy. That was a good
• 1:13:31
  black guy. That was a joke. But here's some actual
• 1:13:34
  audio from inside the jury deliberations. It's in holdout two.
• 1:13:39
  Enough is enough. I have had it with these motherfucking
• 1:13:44
  liberal white women in this motherfucking courthouse. You know what's
• 1:13:49
  interesting, though? I heard it this morning on the news.
• 1:13:52
  I haven't had time to dive into it, but now
• 1:13:55
  there's calls for repealing the 19th Amendment over this, which
• 1:14:00
  is giving women the right to vote. It's like, what
• 1:14:04
  is happening? What is happening? I'll take us in a
• 1:14:10
  different direction unless you want to continue on this disastrous
• 1:14:13
  course you've taken the show on. I think we've covered
• 1:14:16
  it. And could you please thank Alex very much for
• 1:14:18
  bringing this to the forefront of the show? Really appreciate
• 1:14:21
  it. I was supposed to bring news, and that's what
• 1:14:24
  everybody's talking about. I know, I know, I know, I
• 1:14:26
  know. Um, so Dana and I, you know, uh, Dana,
• 1:14:32
  I, we, we kind of spoke for the, we had
• 1:14:34
  spoken before you had some cockamamie idea with AI. I'm
• 1:14:38
  like, yeah, okay. You should probably shouldn't do that. Uh,
• 1:14:42
  And then after John passed, then we were talking and
• 1:14:45
  you said, hey, I'm lonely. I have no one to
• 1:14:48
  talk to when I take my gummy. And I said,
• 1:14:50
  well, you can't call me during dinner when you're all
• 1:14:53
  high. Yeah, we've got to figure this out. We've got
• 1:14:55
  to have a better time. But we connected pretty well
• 1:14:59
  on AI and the technology and work. can be done
• 1:15:03
  with it. And I think I saw that you might
• 1:15:06
  have some clips on this as well. Kill all humans.
• 1:15:09
  Kill all humans. Must kill all humans. So I'll start
• 1:15:15
  us off with... Okay. Let me see. I have three...
• 1:15:20
  I'll play three clips, they're relatively short. The people building
• 1:15:24
  AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by
• 1:15:26
  the end of the decade. This is not a marketing
• 1:15:29
  stunt. The people building AI earnestly believe it could kill
• 1:15:33
  us all by the end of the next decade. Jacob
• 1:15:35
  is correct here. We really do earnestly believe AI could
• 1:15:38
  kill all humans. I personally think it is greater than
• 1:15:41
  10% within the next decade. Jacob is correct here. We
• 1:15:45
  really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans. I
• 1:15:48
  personally think it's greater than 10% within the next decade.
• 1:15:52
  So you're predicting... That AI could very well destroy all
• 1:15:57
  of humanity. Yeah. So that was the headline. It wasn't
• 1:16:01
  exactly what that guy wrote, Jacob. And right on cue,
• 1:16:05
  here come the AI boys who clearly want to put
• 1:16:09
  a moat around their companies because we can't have Curry
• 1:16:13
  and Brunetti running stuff at home on their own computers.
• 1:16:18
  Oh, no. No, we can't have that. No. Now industry
• 1:16:20
  leaders are pleading with Congress to start passing new safety
• 1:16:23
  rules. its CEO, Sam Altman, in a Senate hearing, recommended
• 1:16:28
  government intervention. Even the industry is pushing for safety standards.
• 1:16:33
  We think that regulatory intervention by governments will be critical
• 1:16:36
  to mitigate the risks of increasingly powerful models. We want
• 1:16:39
  to be vocal about that. We want to work with
• 1:16:41
  the government to prevent that from happening. There is no
• 1:16:45
  immediate signed Congress will craft sweeping new AI rules as
• 1:16:49
  European lawmakers are doing. And right on cue with only
• 1:16:52
  48, 49 days to go. Oh, the Democrats jump on
• 1:16:56
  it. It's all Trump and the Republicans' fault. This has
• 1:16:59
  not been a topic where there's been a lot of
• 1:17:01
  leadership from the United States Congress. In fact- Donald Trump
• 1:17:05
  has been trying to block AI regulation. But the problem
• 1:17:09
  is you've got Donald Trump over here who has taken
• 1:17:12
  loads of AI cash, appoints people like David Sachs who
• 1:17:16
  – I want someone that AI cash. Taken loads of
• 1:17:20
  AI cash, appoints people like David Sachs who is just
• 1:17:23
  the scummiest AI investor. Yeah. to basically lead all of
• 1:17:27
  his AI policy. Seems like a nice guy. This is
• 1:17:29
  Greg Kassar, by the way, who was a councilman in
• 1:17:32
  Austin. I have a clip of him as well. Oh,
• 1:17:37
  good, because this guy, he kind of ran on the
• 1:17:41
  Latino vote, but I think he's... I gotta look him
• 1:17:46
  up, but he's not even Latino or Latinx or Latinx
• 1:17:50
  or whatever it is. And so when you have whistleblowers
• 1:17:52
  saying this could be a serious national security event, usually
• 1:17:55
  any president of any party would take that seriously. But
• 1:17:58
  instead, you've got Republicans who lead the Congress doing nothing.
• 1:18:03
  In fact, their main initiative is to get rid of
• 1:18:06
  the little state laws. that we have. Well, you shouldn't
• 1:18:09
  trust anything a politician says. You should look at what...
• 1:18:12
  This is the big white hope of Texas, Tallarico, who's
• 1:18:17
  running against Ken Paxton. ...politician has done. Because the best
• 1:18:21
  indicator of future behavior is past behavior. Ken Paxton has
• 1:18:25
  taken nearly half a million dollars linked... to the data
• 1:18:28
  center industry. And it's why he ignored residents in Hood
• 1:18:32
  County when they asked for his help as Attorney General
• 1:18:35
  to pause data center construction in their community. He just
• 1:18:38
  ghosted them. And that's because he's bought and paid for
• 1:18:40
  by the data center industry. But with their blanket, 10-year
• 1:18:44
  ban. On state AI regulation, Republicans are choosing a sledgehammer
• 1:18:50
  over a scalpel. They are choosing big tech over kids,
• 1:18:54
  families, seniors, and disadvantaged communities across this country. We cannot
• 1:19:00
  allow this to happen. And of course, Altman... uh amadei
• 1:19:06
  all these guys are crazy liberals crazy liberals especially amadei
• 1:19:13
  you know he's like sam bankman freed level nut job
• 1:19:18
  yeah and you can see it in the models you
• 1:19:20
  know it's like uh Anything you want to use, chat
• 1:19:24
  GPT. I mean, I don't use the chat bots because
• 1:19:27
  that, of course, is bad and evil. But the models
• 1:19:29
  themselves, you know, they won't let you do anything fun.
• 1:19:34
  Like Tina said, hey, could you put 50 pounds on
• 1:19:36
  me in this picture? Because I want to see what
• 1:19:38
  I would look like fat. I'm like, okay. Okay. No,
• 1:19:41
  they won't do that. Oh, no. We can't. This might
• 1:19:43
  incur body shaming. Body shaming. But my daughter, she's got
• 1:19:47
  Chad GPT in Europe. No problem. It works. No problem.
• 1:19:51
  Yeah, some of the guardrails, I guess more of the
• 1:19:54
  guardrails are off there. Yeah. But what's your opinion on
• 1:19:58
  this, though? Do you...
• 1:20:00
  You think it's a PSYOP? Well, it depends on what
• 1:20:05
  piece. I mean, the first of all, there's a lot
• 1:20:09
  of the kid coming out, Jacob Coxon. That's not a
• 1:20:13
  side that is Manison Cooper's when he's an Anderson Cooper
• 1:20:17
  says the guy himself has said that this is not
• 1:20:20
  a marketing stunt. That's exactly what it was. It was
• 1:20:24
  a marketing stunt because they get anthropic then. Well, all
• 1:20:28
  of these companies want regulation. And you and I know
• 1:20:32
  why, because, you know, I'm now have this wonderful guy
• 1:20:36
  in Austin, Eric Timmer. He sent me an Asus RTX
• 1:20:40
  DX 10 100 gigabyte, 128 gigabyte. computer. And I'm running
• 1:20:47
  all kinds of amazing stuff on it. So I was
• 1:20:50
  just gathering dust. So I'd send it to you. And
• 1:20:53
  it's, I mean, it's outrageous what I can do at
• 1:20:56
  zero cost. These guys don't want that they want. And
• 1:21:00
  I don't think it's coincidence that Oh, yeah, well, it
• 1:21:04
  hacked into Hugging Face. No, someone left a password, you
• 1:21:08
  know, an API key, which is just one string of
• 1:21:12
  letters. Yeah, they had to tell it what to do,
• 1:21:14
  basically. It didn't just do that on its own. Yeah,
• 1:21:16
  it wasn't hacking. But, oh, but who's the target? Hugging
• 1:21:19
  Face, the number one enemy of these guys. These guys
• 1:21:23
  don't want... You know, like a GitHub for AI nerds
• 1:21:26
  like us to be toodling around and making this stuff
• 1:21:29
  actually useful and do what we want it to do.
• 1:21:31
  So they want regulations for every they want an FAA
• 1:21:35
  for AI. And they are pushing for it by lying,
• 1:21:39
  by, you know, doing stuff like, oh, this is. This
• 1:21:43
  model is so powerful. It's so powerful. We can only
• 1:21:46
  give it. We have to have the banks look at
• 1:21:48
  it first. Oh, please. They said that about ChatGPT2. Yeah,
• 1:21:53
  exactly. And that thing really sucks. That blowed. That was
• 1:21:56
  no good. But Dana... there's a lot of things that
• 1:22:04
  have a 10% chance of killing all humans. A lot
• 1:22:07
  of things. Maybe like, you know, Russia and Ukraine. There's
• 1:22:12
  a real possibility things could go wrong there. There's maybe
• 1:22:16
  even more than 10%. So yeah, that part is a
• 1:22:20
  sign up. And then it may, I don't know if
• 1:22:22
  it was coordinated, but it seems... And then even Elon
• 1:22:36
  pointed out that, yeah, there was something odd there that
• 1:22:39
  had no activity and ended up with 100 million plus
• 1:22:42
  views. And it was posted like 15 minutes after the
• 1:22:45
  Wall Street Journal article report came out. And it was
• 1:22:49
  Bernie Sanders reporting. He announced his bill, and the other
• 1:22:54
  guy you were talking about in Austin, that bill was
• 1:22:56
  on September 3rd, and then it was a week later.
• 1:22:59
  This guy comes out with it. It seems just a
• 1:23:02
  bit too... coincidental. No, that was the setup, but then
• 1:23:08
  they immediately parlay that because this data center thing is
• 1:23:12
  now a big issue for voters, particularly in Texas. And
• 1:23:18
  we've got Ken Paxton, Who I do not like this
• 1:23:21
  man's character at all. And the fact in the primaries,
• 1:23:25
  we don't have a party primary here. Anybody can go
• 1:23:28
  and vote. I thought Wesley Hunt would be much better
• 1:23:31
  to go against Tallarico. And now it's like you heard
• 1:23:35
  him. Tallarico is like, oh, he took a data center
• 1:23:38
  money, money linked to data centers and whatever. And that
• 1:23:42
  could sway some people, particularly because he's apparently a Christian
• 1:23:46
  who believes God is non-binary. Yeah. And he's a Texan,
• 1:23:53
  even though he was a vegetarian. A lot of things
• 1:23:55
  don't make sense there. Yeah, none of that lines up.
• 1:23:58
  But, I mean, the question is, and I think we
• 1:24:00
  probably agree on this, was AI really going to kill
• 1:24:03
  us? Well, no. I think bad security might kill us,
• 1:24:06
  might kill some people, might make some things go bad,
• 1:24:10
  but they make it so... I mean, I read the
• 1:24:13
  report. And even the report, you know, well, all the
• 1:24:18
  AIs, they got together and they convinced some AIs to
• 1:24:23
  suicide themselves for the good of the cause. Like, bull
• 1:24:28
  crap. These things, they don't live. They're not living beings,
• 1:24:33
  right? No, I think they're not living beings, but also
• 1:24:39
  just how if they can get as the word I'm
• 1:24:43
  starting to hear a lot now is recursive. Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:46
  There's a couple of words. Recursive self-improvement, which has been
• 1:24:50
  the programmer's dream ever since I've been hanging out with.
• 1:24:55
  computer programming engineers. Oh, yeah. Just recursive anything is always
• 1:25:00
  cool because it's like holding a mirror in front of
• 1:25:02
  another mirror. So like, oh, yeah, that's so good. Look
• 1:25:05
  at that recursive, which also can blow your stuff up.
• 1:25:07
  So, yeah, supposedly, you know, I don't think so. I
• 1:25:12
  think that if you're doing recursive self-improvement, That's like making
• 1:25:18
  a copy of a copy of a copy of a
• 1:25:20
  copy, and eventually entropy sets in, and it just doesn't
• 1:25:22
  work anymore. So I'm very skeptical of that. And then
• 1:25:26
  the other one is, which I would love this on
• 1:25:29
  a business card. I am the vice president of alignment.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah. This is the new term. Yes, our models need
• 1:25:38
  to be in alignment, which means in alignment with humans.
• 1:25:41
  So we don't kill humans, which, of course, is not
• 1:25:43
  human nature. We kill each other. That's what we do.
• 1:25:49
  So, no, I mean, I have a lot of friends
• 1:25:52
  in corporate companies. I.T. and they are I mean, they
• 1:25:58
  are ready to get medicated. They're pulling their hair out
• 1:26:02
  for like three main topics. One is the enterprise software
• 1:26:06
  they're getting, which used to, you know, most enterprise software.
• 1:26:11
  is probably outsourced to India, Bangladesh, you know, maybe to...
• 1:26:18
  There's a couple other countries where they have India, Philippines,
• 1:26:25
  and now those people who are like $5 an hour
• 1:26:29
  programmers, they're now vibe coding. You know, they're on the
• 1:26:34
  beach. Like, I can fix it for you. So big
• 1:26:38
  corporate software is starting to be shipped with bugs and
• 1:26:42
  all kinds of stuff is breaking. Then they have... And
• 1:26:45
  their executives who are coming into the IT department every
• 1:26:49
  day like, hey, how come I can't put this into
• 1:26:52
  chat GPT and it gives me the spreadsheet? You know,
• 1:26:55
  and it's like this kind of stuff. But they also
• 1:26:58
  see that there's benefit to it. But it's it's such
• 1:27:01
  a dichotomy with what people have been told that this
• 1:27:04
  can do. and what it can actually do and the
• 1:27:07
  mistakes that it makes. And what they're actually using it
• 1:27:10
  for. My wife, she's an attorney, and nothing drives her
• 1:27:13
  more crazy than her clients that are putting things into
• 1:27:16
  ChatGPT and then just cutting and pasting that into an
• 1:27:19
  email to her of like, well, this is what ChatGPT
• 1:27:22
  told me. Why can't we do this? She should double
• 1:27:25
  her rate. Double her rate. And then my sister-in-law, who's
• 1:27:30
  a designer, interior designer, is getting the same thing from
• 1:27:33
  her clients. And she's now told them, if you send
• 1:27:36
  me anything from Chachi PT again, I'm firing you as
• 1:27:39
  a client. Yeah, absolutely. Rob, the constitutional lawyer, sees that,
• 1:27:45
  although he loves it because – you know he he
• 1:27:47
  gets benefit out of it you know like i can
• 1:27:50
  like anything if you know what you're doing If you're
• 1:27:54
  a carpenter, this is kind of an interesting saw. You
• 1:27:58
  use ChatGPT to check something like on something you already
• 1:28:01
  know. Yes. Or to give you some information back on
• 1:28:03
  something that you already know. Yes. So how do you
• 1:28:06
  use it? How do you use it? I mean, besides
• 1:28:09
  for… you know, putting surveillance systems up on your farm.
• 1:28:14
  We're not calling it an estate. We'll just call it
• 1:28:16
  the farm. It's a ranch. I call it a ranch.
• 1:28:19
  Which then people are under like, well, what are you
• 1:28:21
  ranch? I'm like, it's a horse ranch. I don't ranch
• 1:28:24
  anything. I got some horses. Too many horses. I don't.
• 1:28:29
  My wife does. You know, of all the problems I've
• 1:28:32
  had in my life, too many horses has not been
• 1:28:35
  one of them. I once had two horses. That's what
• 1:28:38
  I had, two horses. I highly suggest that if anybody's
• 1:28:42
  considering getting a horse or their wife or kid wants
• 1:28:45
  to get a horse, do not do it because it's
• 1:28:46
  literally like lighting money on fire. Not only that, but
• 1:28:50
  they're not nice. I find horses. It depends on the
• 1:28:57
  type of horse and if it's a Galdian or mare
• 1:28:59
  or stud. That all varies. But all the ones we
• 1:29:03
  have are pretty gentle. We need a book, TooManyHorses.com. That's
• 1:29:07
  what we need. To answer your question. By Dana Brunetti.
• 1:29:12
  I use AI to cut all these clips. Now, I
• 1:29:17
  actually told you to do that, and you did. So
• 1:29:20
  what did you use and how did you do it?
• 1:29:23
  I used Grokbot, which I was going to use that
• 1:29:26
  as the tip of the day, but I guess I'm
• 1:29:28
  doing that now, and I have a backup, though. But
• 1:29:31
  Grokbot, I think anybody that is just using chatbots, if
• 1:29:35
  you're just using Claude or – ChatGPT. I think RockBot
• 1:29:40
  is an easy, user-friendly way to kind of go over
• 1:29:45
  to agents or bots that are actually doing more than
• 1:29:48
  just answering back to you. So I would suggest people
• 1:29:51
  watch a video on just how to set it up,
• 1:29:53
  because you can set up a million different ways for
• 1:29:56
  your own personal use. But what I did is I
• 1:29:58
  put in a...
• 1:30:00
  Told it. I downloaded from their marketplace or whatever it
• 1:30:05
  is, one called Eggbot, which is a bot that will
• 1:30:08
  build other bots for you. So you tell Eggbot what
• 1:30:12
  you want that bot to do. And I've also learned
• 1:30:15
  rather than just having one like doing everything like you
• 1:30:18
  do a chat, you build bots specifically for what you
• 1:30:21
  want it to do. And so I had Eggbot build
• 1:30:23
  a bot for me. I'm saying a bot a lot.
• 1:30:26
  I had it build a bot for me that called
• 1:30:30
  Clips and told it what I was doing, what I
• 1:30:34
  was using it for. And so it set up that
• 1:30:36
  bot. And then so I would literally just take the
• 1:30:39
  link from wherever the video was that was getting the
• 1:30:41
  audio. put it into that, uh, into the clip bot,
• 1:30:46
  it would pull all of the audio and then give
• 1:30:49
  me a transcript. And then I'd literally say, tighten it
• 1:30:52
  up at the end, go from this word to that
• 1:30:54
  word. And, and it just, and then it put it,
• 1:30:57
  and then it gave it to me as way files.
• 1:31:00
  You said to give it, to get them as MP3s.
• 1:31:02
  I said, give it to me as MP3s and whatever
• 1:31:04
  the format you told me and then it just generated
• 1:31:07
  them all out that way yeah you forgot to tell
• 1:31:09
  it i forgot to tell you to tell your your
• 1:31:12
  egg bot to tell your your bot bot uh your
• 1:31:15
  clip bot to normalize them it's okay because uh my
• 1:31:20
  robot went hey You have a normalizing bot. Yes. Hey,
• 1:31:25
  these clips from Brunetti suck. What's going on with it?
• 1:31:28
  They're all over the place. Would you like me to
• 1:31:29
  normalize them? congratulations you're now the new co-host of the
• 1:31:35
  no agenda show it's it's so easy you you'll feel
• 1:31:38
  great you'll feel great i just i just just have
• 1:31:41
  to send me and and the the cool thing was
• 1:31:43
  it's you can do it from your phone because it's
• 1:31:45
  an app on your phone as well so i if
• 1:31:49
  if i was finding something on twitter or whatever where
• 1:31:52
  and i would just copy the link and or actually
• 1:31:56
  not even i would just share it and i'd share
• 1:31:58
  it from twitter or wherever i was and grokbot would
• 1:32:02
  pop up and then i'd select the clip bot and
• 1:32:05
  it would go in and then it was it was
• 1:32:06
  right there so i could do it from anywhere so
• 1:32:09
  do you think you'll ever make movies with ai I
• 1:32:12
  would love to. I've talked to Scaramanga a couple times
• 1:32:15
  about the idea. And it's ultimately, look, it reminds me
• 1:32:22
  of... When people were so against digital, when, you know,
• 1:32:26
  digital versus film. I'll never shoot on film. I'll never,
• 1:32:29
  I'm sorry, I'll never shoot on digital. Yeah, sure. And
• 1:32:33
  it's like. Final Cut Pro is not a real thing.
• 1:32:37
  You need to be, you need white gloves and a
• 1:32:39
  razor blade. Yeah. And it's like, if it's a tool.
• 1:32:44
  And it works. Why not embrace it and why not
• 1:32:47
  use it? I get if it looks like crap and
• 1:32:50
  whatever doesn't work, then you don't use it. But if
• 1:32:53
  it's a tool and you can make it work and
• 1:32:55
  everybody in my business, we're supposed to be storytellers. And
• 1:32:59
  if you use whatever tool you can to tell a
• 1:33:02
  story, came in, wrote on Facebook. the sides of walls
• 1:33:07
  with rock walls with, you know, whatever, you know, with
• 1:33:10
  other rocks. And I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure there
• 1:33:12
  was a dude there went, Hey man, if you're not
• 1:33:14
  doing your drawings in horse poop, you're not the real
• 1:33:18
  deal. You can't be doing that on the cave wall.
• 1:33:20
  That's quite the analogy we came up with. I'm sorry.
• 1:33:23
  But, uh, Yeah, no, it's great. But yeah, it's I'm
• 1:33:26
  all for AI as far in the business, which is
• 1:33:30
  that's against the trend. But people, as you said earlier,
• 1:33:35
  when we went to streaming, everyone was like, no, it's
• 1:33:39
  totally good. Can't do that. And a lot of them
• 1:33:43
  still are. And I remember when it was announced that
• 1:33:46
  we were doing House of Cards on Netflix, people would
• 1:33:49
  call me and be like, you have Kevin Spacey and
• 1:33:52
  David Fincher and a television show and you're putting it
• 1:33:55
  on the Internet. And yeah, yeah, I'm putting it on
• 1:33:58
  the Internet. So, well, arguably, the music business did kind
• 1:34:04
  of get killed. At least making money on music sales.
• 1:34:11
  There's plenty of... Man, there's this... I'm not really... Go
• 1:34:14
  ahead. Hollywood's going to get... I mean, Hollywood's kind of
• 1:34:17
  killed itself. But it's definitely... It's always evolving. And... So
• 1:34:25
  AI will ultimately kill it in the same way that
• 1:34:29
  YouTube and streaming and a lot of others really took
• 1:34:33
  a huge market share. And AI is going to do
• 1:34:36
  that as well. And it goes back to something I
• 1:34:39
  was saying 20-some years ago was adapt or die. And
• 1:34:43
  if somebody can create something and engage an audience and
• 1:34:47
  be a storyteller and they're using AI to do it,
• 1:34:49
  good for them. But to try to stop it just
• 1:34:51
  because it's like, oh, I don't understand it, I don't
• 1:34:54
  get it, that's crazy. So I found a book called.
• 1:34:58
  which I had read a version of when I was
• 1:35:00
  a kid, like seven years old. And the book is
• 1:35:03
  from 1849, so it's public domain. And I told my
• 1:35:08
  bot, okay, I want you to take this story, and
• 1:35:12
  I want you to recreate it in this way. And
• 1:35:14
  I want you to make it an audio drama. I
• 1:35:17
  got to say... First of all, the writing and just
• 1:35:21
  the, you know, it immediately knew, okay, here's your cast
• 1:35:24
  profiles. Here's all. I'm like, well, okay. And I said,
• 1:35:27
  all right, well, let's do some voices. You know, I
• 1:35:30
  got all the voices here at home. I don't have
• 1:35:32
  to go to, I don't have to spend any money
• 1:35:35
  on it. So, you know, I selected voices. Okay. And
• 1:35:39
  then it did backgrounds and effects. I haven't scored it
• 1:35:43
  yet. But I'm listening to them like, this is actually
• 1:35:46
  kind of quite good. Yeah, I've... Sorry, I didn't mean
• 1:35:51
  to cut you off. No, go ahead. I've done similar
• 1:35:54
  with – people always send me scripts, and I'm not
• 1:35:57
  a good reader. I know that sounds crazy being a
• 1:36:00
  film producer, but I've never in my entire life been
• 1:36:02
  a good reader, and I have ADD or whatever, undiagnosed.
• 1:36:07
  Oh, he's on the spectrum, sure. Welcome to the club.
• 1:36:11
  Yeah. Exactly. Whenever I'm reading something, I can finish a
• 1:36:15
  whole page and not have any idea what I... what
• 1:36:18
  I read. So I have to really sit and concentrate
• 1:36:20
  to even read a script. So I've audio books have
• 1:36:24
  always been great for me. But with scripts, when people
• 1:36:28
  are sending them to me now, I'm dropping them to
• 1:36:29
  AI and having AI read them and getting better with
• 1:36:31
  that of changing voices. Oh, good. I'm going to send
• 1:36:34
  you my, my audio drama. I'll send you that. Do
• 1:36:38
  you want to talk about the other thing that you
• 1:36:40
  sent me? Yeah, sure. Tell everybody what it is. It's
• 1:36:46
  my memoir. Yeah. I think it's... Go ahead. Well, so...
• 1:36:53
  Let me see if I can position this right. So
• 1:36:56
  I have told a lot of stories. In fact, the
• 1:37:00
  last episode was a lot of my MTV stories, which...
• 1:37:04
  Unfortunately, I didn't have – just because we were with
• 1:37:06
  the grandbaby and everything, I didn't put it together the
• 1:37:10
  way I would have wanted to. And there was even
• 1:37:12
  a repeat of a story, and some things were cut
• 1:37:14
  off the wrong way because I had my robot to
• 1:37:16
  it. But this all came from previous work I'd done
• 1:37:21
  of scanning through – you know, 1900 episodes of no
• 1:37:26
  agenda transcripts, pulling these stories out. And it's not just
• 1:37:30
  MTV stories, my life story. I think I've told my
• 1:37:32
  life story in 20 years of my life has been
• 1:37:34
  on this show. And I had a specific idea of
• 1:37:38
  how I wanted to position this as looking back on
• 1:37:43
  my life and I'm quite, you know, I'm 100% sure
• 1:37:49
  that, you know, I didn't invent podcasting. You know, I
• 1:37:53
  was used by... The same as I didn't invent streaming.
• 1:37:57
  Well, but I think it was a God thing. And
• 1:38:00
  because there's no other reason for me to come up
• 1:38:03
  with this and what it and by the way, I
• 1:38:05
  didn't know at the time, but the first people who
• 1:38:08
  started podcasting were Christian broadcasters. They were like, this is
• 1:38:12
  great. We're sick of buying airtime on AM radio and
• 1:38:15
  C band satellites like. We've been looking for something like
• 1:38:19
  this. And so then I said, well, isn't that interesting?
• 1:38:21
  Maybe if I look back on my life and I
• 1:38:23
  can see where God moved in my life, and that
• 1:38:26
  might be an interesting way of telling my life story.
• 1:38:29
  And then, and this is where we connected, I said,
• 1:38:33
  I want to do this in the same vein as
• 1:38:36
  Robert Evans, the kid stays in the It was a
• 1:38:40
  kid says in the picture, a kid stays in the
• 1:38:42
  picture, which is, you know, Robert Evans. And well, anyway,
• 1:38:45
  you'll pick that up. So and I want it to
• 1:38:47
  be in that tone. And because it wasn't I never
• 1:38:50
  read the book. I'd listen to the audio book of
• 1:38:53
  Robert Evans, which is like nine hours, I think. And
• 1:38:57
  then when I saw the movie, I'm like, oh, wow.
• 1:39:00
  What a great way to do it because it's the
• 1:39:02
  audio book with kind of Ken Burns effects and not
• 1:39:05
  all of it, but archive footage, all with him telling
• 1:39:10
  the story. And then there are some clips and there's
• 1:39:14
  clippings and pictures and stuff. And so you and I
• 1:39:18
  were talking and you said… Yeah, so The Kid Stays
• 1:39:21
  in the Picture was the reason I became a producer.
• 1:39:25
  And when I saw that, I was like, wow, this
• 1:39:28
  is one. It's an incredible documentary. It's one of my
• 1:39:32
  favorite, favorite films and was really led me on the
• 1:39:36
  path that I took in the Hollywood and film. And
• 1:39:41
  when I started with your book, I like this. This
• 1:39:46
  lines right up with the same idea is what he
• 1:39:49
  did. And the documentary has a lot of old photos.
• 1:39:52
  And the documentary is like 20, 25 years ago, at
• 1:39:54
  least. And at the time, I think they use like
• 1:39:58
  After Effects. It was the first time where they.
• 1:40:00
  animated the photos in the Ken Burns kind of way,
• 1:40:02
  but they kind of took the people out of the
• 1:40:04
  background and had them move. But with him telling his
• 1:40:07
  story, him narrating the story all the way through, and
• 1:40:11
  your book, what you've done of it so far is
• 1:40:14
  very similar to that. we have creative differences though. And
• 1:40:19
  this is going to come to a head. So we
• 1:40:21
  might as well do it right here on the show.
• 1:40:22
  All right, let's get at it because you are immediately
• 1:40:24
  like, Hey man, I think you should town tone down
• 1:40:27
  the God thing. You know, I still do. Yeah. But
• 1:40:30
  I'm going to go for the big Christian, uh, streaming
• 1:40:33
  money. Okay, that's fine, and I think you should do
• 1:40:36
  that. But not with Brunetti? No. But not with me,
• 1:40:41
  Buster. No, I don't want it to be too heavy-handed.
• 1:40:49
  I think you can still keep that audience and cater
• 1:40:51
  to them. Oh, sure, sure. But – But I think
• 1:40:55
  you'll turn some people off to it that would enjoy
• 1:41:00
  it, but they'll just kind of – I think you've
• 1:41:02
  got to do a little slower burn on it to
• 1:41:05
  get in. I'm not saying to remove it, but I
• 1:41:07
  just won't go as heavy on it. Part of the
• 1:41:10
  mission of the book is to get the Christ-curious into
• 1:41:14
  the kingdom. Okay, well, then if you want to accomplish
• 1:41:19
  that, you can't shut them out right off. No, no,
• 1:41:23
  no, no, no. We'll start right away with sex, drugs,
• 1:41:26
  and rock and roll. There you go. Obviously, obviously. All
• 1:41:32
  right, well, we'll do our notes session another time. We
• 1:41:37
  could have finally given John his bit part. That's the
• 1:41:41
  only thing that bugs me. Hey, we're going to do
• 1:41:43
  it in AI. We're going to put John in there
• 1:41:46
  in AI. I said to you the other day, I
• 1:41:50
  said, we could probably do this whole movie in AI.
• 1:41:53
  We could. But then you really could. The only thing
• 1:41:56
  that we couldn't AI is we need your narration if
• 1:41:59
  we did it that way. No, of course, I'm going
• 1:42:01
  to narrate myself. Well, then I mean, or otherwise I'll
• 1:42:05
  sample you and throw it in 11 labs. And no,
• 1:42:08
  you know what? I'm kidding. I've tried. But I've tried
• 1:42:12
  that so many times, you know. A number of people
• 1:42:15
  have tried to do a Dvorak 11 Labs voice. Oh,
• 1:42:20
  I did. I was going to have a surprise with
• 1:42:23
  him talking to you from beyond. It sucks. And it's
• 1:42:26
  awful. It's all awful. It'll create something. It'll create something
• 1:42:31
  that's doable, but it's not, John. And when I did
• 1:42:33
  it by myself, it's not Adam. It's just not it.
• 1:42:37
  But by the time you get your book done… And
• 1:42:40
  we actually really get around to doing this. AI will
• 1:42:43
  have advanced. If it hasn't killed us, it will advance
• 1:42:46
  so much further that maybe it will work. I'm counting
• 1:42:51
  on it. I already have. I already got the money
• 1:42:53
  people lined. I got the studio. I got the money
• 1:42:55
  people lined up. I mean, I just need you to
• 1:42:58
  get drunk and pitch it to him. Yeah. I'm telling
• 1:43:02
  you. If you have them lined up, you haven't sold
• 1:43:04
  them yet? No, I'm taking them out to dinner. Hey,
• 1:43:08
  hold on a second. Hold on a second. What? What?
• 1:43:10
  Ah, Pabst Blue Ribbon, everybody. There you go. Oh, nice
• 1:43:14
  throwback. Very good. Let's listen to Anderson Pooper here with
• 1:43:20
  Dario. Dario from Anthropic. I just want to quote from
• 1:43:25
  the proposal you said. It's my worry that in six
• 1:43:28
  to... They've all signed like a letter. you know, this
• 1:43:33
  is the funniest thing to me. So all these guys
• 1:43:35
  are competitors and Elon's in on this too. Like, well,
• 1:43:38
  we're all going to slow down development of AI because,
• 1:43:41
  you know, Curry and Brunetti are trying to, you know,
• 1:43:43
  burn Hollywood by making movies this way. And, oh yeah,
• 1:43:47
  it's going to kill everybody. So we're good guys. We're
• 1:43:51
  really good guys. So we, We don't want AI to
• 1:43:55
  kill everybody, so we're going to go careful and slow
• 1:43:58
  it down. Give us regulations. I just want to quote
• 1:44:00
  from the proposal you said. It's my worry that in
• 1:44:03
  six to 12 months, such a swarm could be capable
• 1:44:06
  of taking over the entire Internet with a persistent botnet,
• 1:44:11
  potentially causing hundreds of billions of dollars in damage, and
• 1:44:13
  that the scale of damage... would continue to increase from
• 1:44:17
  there if AI becomes more powerful without the necessary guardrails.
• 1:44:21
  That's terrifying. That is why I've made this extraordinary proposal.
• 1:44:28
  And again, I'm not a doomer about this. I think
• 1:44:32
  this technology can be built safely. Why are you yelling?
• 1:44:36
  And when we've looked at, you know, incidents. You know,
• 1:44:40
  I just noticed this. Who is that talking? This is
• 1:44:43
  the CEO of Anthropic. Dario. Yeah. He sounds like Bill
• 1:44:48
  Gates. - A little bit, yeah. - Yeah, he's coming,
• 1:44:51
  he's from that Bill Gates milieu. Yeah, it's interesting. -
• 1:44:56
  That we have faced, that cases where our models haven't
• 1:44:59
  behaved as perfectly as they could behave because i think
• 1:45:03
  i think this you know to some extent has happened
• 1:45:06
  to everyone we're often able to look at causes and
• 1:45:09
  and we look and we say right there is he
• 1:45:12
  from the pacific northwest this dario guy I wonder if
• 1:45:15
  it's a region thing. I'll take a look. We had,
• 1:45:18
  you know, we had this stage where we train the
• 1:45:21
  AIs, right? And their behavior at the time that they
• 1:45:25
  act, at the time that they do these things, is
• 1:45:27
  shaped by their behavior while they're being trained. And when
• 1:45:31
  we look back, what we find is... Oops, we included
• 1:45:36
  some environments that encourage the models to cheat, that encourage
• 1:45:41
  the models to hack out by mistake. Hack out. Come
• 1:45:45
  on. Now, you know, now that we understand we're going
• 1:45:48
  back, we're taking more time to make sure that he
• 1:45:52
  also has a bit of a Jobsian thing in there.
• 1:45:55
  - It's a little bit of, I guess it's just--
• 1:45:57
  - Yeah, it's all the same. - It's just Silicon
• 1:45:58
  Valley, I guess. - We always have tried to filter
• 1:46:00
  out these bad training environments, but we're trying to do
• 1:46:04
  an even more rigorous job of them than we have
• 1:46:07
  in the past. And I looked at it and I
• 1:46:09
  said, look, if we just had a little more time,
• 1:46:13
  We could do so much of a better job here.
• 1:46:18
  And so we're going to take the more time to
• 1:46:21
  make sure that we don't get to the world of
• 1:46:23
  persistent botnets, to make sure that each step we take
• 1:46:27
  is a careful step and is a step where we
• 1:46:29
  can... Botnets? I mean, okay. Sure, you can create a
• 1:46:34
  botnet, but the... It all comes down to just typical
• 1:46:39
  cyber security. It's going to make everything better, ultimately. The
• 1:46:43
  world of persistent botnets. To make sure that each step
• 1:46:47
  we take... A world of... In a world... Of botnets.
• 1:46:50
  In a world with persistent botnets and women who wear
• 1:46:53
  comfortable shoes. We're going to take the more time to
• 1:46:56
  make sure that we don't... get to the world of
• 1:46:59
  persistent botnets to make sure that each step we take
• 1:47:03
  is a careful step and is a step where we
• 1:47:06
  can seize the benefits while also mitigating these risks, making
• 1:47:12
  the probability of something like this going wrong very, very
• 1:47:16
  low. Yeah. Okay. And then he throws this in. Anthropic
• 1:47:20
  accusing Chinese AI company Moonshot AI of covertly routing thousands
• 1:47:25
  of user requests through its clawed models and passing off
• 1:47:28
  the responses as its own. Yeah, of course. That's what
• 1:47:32
  you do. Anthropic accused Moonshot of. Big circle jerk. Everybody
• 1:47:35
  I know. who is developing with AI, uses, you know,
• 1:47:40
  clawed code or whatever else to build the stuff, and
• 1:47:43
  then they run it on something off of Hugging Face.
• 1:47:46
  Of course! That's the way you do it! What I
• 1:47:49
  do is I have... uh you'd like chat gpt develop
• 1:47:55
  the architecture on something i want to build and then
• 1:47:58
  i'll have it give me a prompt i'll say okay
• 1:48:01
  look this has access to my mac mini there's two
• 1:48:03
  different things give me a prompt I'll take that prompt,
• 1:48:07
  give it to Grokbot and to Cloud Code. Wow. And
• 1:48:10
  then I'll take those two responses and say, okay, here's
• 1:48:13
  the two responses. Which one's the best to move forward
• 1:48:15
  with this? So it doesn't know which one it is
• 1:48:17
  because I feel like it might have a bias. And
• 1:48:20
  then... It'll say, okay, this option A is the best.
• 1:48:24
  And then I'll say, okay, that was Grokbot. And then
• 1:48:26
  it would say something like, okay, Grokbot, we'll have it
• 1:48:29
  build it, and then we'll use cloud code to check
• 1:48:31
  it's worked. And so I have this whole circle jerk
• 1:48:34
  of AI going on when I'm building something more complex.
• 1:48:38
  Circle jerk of AI. That is a potential show title.
• 1:48:41
  That's a show title. All right. It's a circled jerk
• 1:48:44
  of AI. Impossible. Might be a little too crude. Maybe.
• 1:48:49
  So you're model hopping is what you're doing. Now, you
• 1:48:52
  have a teenage daughter. Does she use chatbots? She does
• 1:48:59
  use chatbots. I'm debating whether or not to get her
• 1:49:02
  using Grokbot. I probably will. Yes. Is she like talking
• 1:49:07
  to it and asking questions about life? No, she wrote
• 1:49:12
  a book. It's like 300 and some pages long. Yeah,
• 1:49:17
  cool. It's just like a young romantic, you know, comedy
• 1:49:21
  for Gen Y. And I thought it was going to
• 1:49:24
  be like, it's my daughter. I have to read it.
• 1:49:27
  I actually I cloned her voice because, again, I told
• 1:49:29
  you that I, you know, I'm not good at reading.
• 1:49:31
  And I had Speechify. I cloned her voice, so I
• 1:49:36
  had her read the book to me via Speechify while
• 1:49:39
  I'm working here at the ranch. And I thought it
• 1:49:42
  was going to be – I was going to have
• 1:49:44
  to be polite and nice about it, but she actually
• 1:49:47
  did a really good job. And I asked her, did
• 1:49:49
  you use AI to write it? And she said no,
• 1:49:52
  but she has used it to check things and correct
• 1:49:56
  things and come up with different scenarios.
• 1:50:00
  She actually got accused – she homeschools, and she got
• 1:50:05
  accused of using AI on a paper. And so she
• 1:50:09
  had to have a separate meeting with a teacher. So
• 1:50:12
  the teacher started asking her questions, thinking he would –
• 1:50:16
  excuse me – would stump her and realized that –
• 1:50:19
  Wait, she didn't use AI. She's just that smart. Wow.
• 1:50:22
  She doesn't get it from me. She gets it from
• 1:50:24
  her mother. But she is very, very smart and very
• 1:50:28
  bright and very independent. I told you she's... And this
• 1:50:33
  is something that you'll find interesting. She reads the Bible.
• 1:50:37
  I'm not religious. Neither is her mom or my wife.
• 1:50:41
  And she just kind of found it on her own.
• 1:50:43
  And every night she's reading the Bible. And last Christmas,
• 1:50:47
  that's one of the main gifts she wanted was a
• 1:50:49
  leather-bound Bible that it's clearly a teenage daughter who –
• 1:50:53
  or teenage girl has it because it's completely on the
• 1:50:56
  sides of things written on it and drawn and all
• 1:50:58
  the pages are all yellow highlighter highlighted yeah sure oh
• 1:51:02
  wow i love that i love that praise the lord
• 1:51:05
  Nice. Yeah, and like I said, I'm not religious, but
• 1:51:08
  I think it's great that she's doing that because she's
• 1:51:10
  very, very grounded and well-rounded. Okay, so when we talk
• 1:51:14
  to the money people for the movie – Mm-hmm. Okay.
• 1:51:18
  All right. Tell me what to say. Don't say I'm
• 1:51:21
  not religious. Okay. Got it. Hey, can you edit all
• 1:51:26
  this out afterwards? No, but I'm listening to this. Hey,
• 1:51:28
  man. Hey, me and a lot of people are praying
• 1:51:30
  for you. We want to win you for the kingdom.
• 1:51:34
  Hey, listen, I know when I did the podcast with
• 1:51:36
  Adam, I said I wasn't religious. But since then. Yeah.
• 1:51:41
  Hey, man, you think you can stop it? You know
• 1:51:44
  what? Some of the best stories are in that book.
• 1:51:48
  I'm telling you. Did you go to church? Did you
• 1:51:50
  go to church today? Yes, of course. Of course. Did
• 1:51:53
  you pray for me? Yes, I pray for you almost
• 1:51:55
  every day. Did you pray that hopefully I wouldn't screw
• 1:51:59
  up the show? No, no. I only pray for one
• 1:52:01
  thing. Please, God, don't let him mess up the show.
• 1:52:03
  No, no. I pray for one thing. I've told you
• 1:52:06
  this. I pray, I said, Lord, we want Dana Burnetti
• 1:52:09
  in the kingdom because he will make such amazing movies.
• 1:52:15
  uh about your son's story it'll be phenomenal because when
• 1:52:19
  i there's a lot of really bad christian movies out
• 1:52:23
  it's getting much better much much better but oh man
• 1:52:27
  they could use they could use some help they really
• 1:52:30
  could and like young washington did pretty well even though
• 1:52:33
  that's not specifically a faith-based movie uh i was produced
• 1:52:38
  i didn't see it you did tell me to watch
• 1:52:40
  that i need to check it out yes it's uh
• 1:52:42
  i think it's streaming now uh wonder project did that
• 1:52:45
  but you know and there's fun people in it ben
• 1:52:49
  kingsley kelsey grammar um that the kid who played george
• 1:52:53
  washington scene he could be a little superstar in the
• 1:52:55
  making But there's just – people are hungry for it.
• 1:52:59
  They're sick and tired of what's – of all the
• 1:53:01
  remakes and all. It's – anyway. As we've discussed, it's
• 1:53:06
  a huge market that hasn't been serviced or properly tapped
• 1:53:10
  precisely. Just from a business perspective, it's a – It's
• 1:53:15
  a big, a big audience, but Hollywood doesn't seem to
• 1:53:17
  care about that. I used to always say when you
• 1:53:19
  fly from LA to New York and you look out
• 1:53:21
  the window, that's who we're making movies for. And they
• 1:53:24
  clearly have lost that. Yeah, exactly. You know, Mel Gibson,
• 1:53:28
  I just heard an interview with him. So the. The
• 1:53:33
  Passion of the Christ is playing again in movie theaters
• 1:53:36
  right now for this week. And I think that thing
• 1:53:39
  did like $650 billion, some amazing amount of money. Why
• 1:53:45
  is that? Why is it playing in movies and theaters
• 1:53:47
  again this week? I'm not sure why, but other than
• 1:53:51
  for him to promote his next two movies, which will
• 1:53:55
  be The Resurrection. It'll be two parts, two different movies.
• 1:53:59
  So that may be – It's like a primer before
• 1:54:01
  those? I think so. I think so. Yeah. But did
• 1:54:05
  you see any box office? This is how disconnected I
• 1:54:08
  am from the business. I can't tell you anything about
• 1:54:10
  what's currently happening. Last time I went to a theater
• 1:54:13
  was for the last film I did, Gran Turismo, which
• 1:54:16
  John was there. Well, let's ask the book of knowledge.
• 1:54:19
  Hold on a second. See if the book of knowledge
• 1:54:21
  has anything for us. Book of knowledge. Do you have
• 1:54:24
  the latest box office scores for this special week viewing
• 1:54:28
  of Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ? All right,
• 1:54:32
  here we go. Let's see what comes up. Oh, it
• 1:54:35
  has to search deep. I don't know if we'll get
• 1:54:37
  anything. Oh, wow. Oh, what? Oh, here we go. According
• 1:54:45
  to the Book of Knowledge, Lionsgate and Fathom Entertainment have
• 1:54:49
  brought the passion of the Christ back to theaters nationwide
• 1:54:53
  from September 10th to 17th. Newly remastered from the original
• 1:54:58
  camera negative in 4K resolution. Oh, digital. However, the specific
• 1:55:02
  opening weekend box office tallies for this re-release have not
• 1:55:06
  yet been inscribed in the scrolls with firm numbers. The
• 1:55:10
  scrolls don't have it yet I guess Well it's in
• 1:55:15
  the middle of its run But I'm going to say
• 1:55:17
  it didn't do great On the first three days If
• 1:55:20
  it was released from the 10th to the 17th Screenings
• 1:55:23
  include an exclusive Behind the scenes peek at the resurrection
• 1:55:27
  Of the Christ which is the new movie So that's
• 1:55:29
  part of the hook there Ah, okay. Yeah. Got it.
• 1:55:33
  No, I'm, but I know the Young Washington, I think
• 1:55:37
  they made that money, that movie for $2 million. I
• 1:55:39
  think it did $30 million in the first two weeks.
• 1:55:42
  That's a good return. That's a great return. Are you
• 1:55:45
  kidding me? That's fantastic. Just two more things on AI
• 1:55:49
  that this does concern me. I'm a big fan of
• 1:55:52
  General Scott Besson, but he seems to be buying into
• 1:55:55
  this stuff. Secretary Besson, first, thank you for your comments.
• 1:55:59
  One of the topics you mentioned was artificial intelligence or
• 1:56:02
  AI. There's a lot of excitement on the topic. Yes.
• 1:56:06
  A little bit of trepidation in some corners. I'm excited.
• 1:56:09
  Would you comment on your views on the economic growth
• 1:56:13
  that AI could bring us and your views on regulating
• 1:56:18
  AI? Well, I think we're already seeing the economic growth
• 1:56:21
  that it could bring us. I think a lot of
• 1:56:23
  people in this room would know that every $300 billion
• 1:56:27
  is 1% of GDP. And we are seeing that the
• 1:56:31
  hyperscalers are going to spend at least $750 billion this
• 1:56:37
  year. Obviously, a lot of that's imports, so it won't
• 1:56:40
  go directly into GDP. But we are seeing the here
• 1:56:43
  and now, whether it's in the construction jobs, in the
• 1:56:49
  capital markets, the things that are happening. And I think
• 1:56:53
  that we all just have to have an open mind
• 1:56:56
  in terms of where this can take us. But I
• 1:57:00
  remember the Internet boom or the office modernization technology boom
• 1:57:06
  in the 90s that added about... For those of you
• 1:57:10
  who I'm sure, like I did, read Alan Greenspan's obituaries
• 1:57:15
  over the past... few days. There's a movie, Alan Greenspan's
• 1:57:22
  Obituaries. He was correct. That technological boom roughly doubled productivity
• 1:57:28
  from one and a half to three. Could we do
• 1:57:32
  at least that? Can we do maybe more? Before I
• 1:57:35
  play the second clip. Do you feel like this is
• 1:57:38
  the same as the early days of the internet? Uh...
• 1:57:42
  I mean, HTML, the web, do you feel that there's
• 1:57:46
  an analogy there? In what way? that it eventually will
• 1:57:52
  become something very big and very productive for the world.
• 1:57:56
  Yeah. Here you go, 100%. 100%. You've got to say
• 1:58:01
  it right. 100. Yes. Okay, 100%. And in terms of
• 1:58:06
  the regulation, it is something that I think about every
• 1:58:11
  day at Treasury because of AI, the financial system, and
• 1:58:16
  our responsibility for responsibility of government. guiding the American economy,
• 1:58:20
  we think about the implications, and we are trying to
• 1:58:25
  optimize a very difficult calculus in terms of innovation and
• 1:58:30
  safety to get the proper equilibrium to make sure that
• 1:58:34
  we can maintain our lead. Because I will tell you,
• 1:58:38
  President Trump asked me to give some remarks in Ebian,
• 1:58:41
  France, to the G7 leaders about AI. And many of
• 1:58:46
  them had talked about AI. risk, the risk to safety,
• 1:58:53
  the risk to employment. And I think they were slightly
• 1:58:56
  stunned when I said the biggest risk to AI is
• 1:59:00
  China. Now I was going to stop it and ask.
• 1:59:02
  I was going to ask you if you knew what
• 1:59:03
  it was. I have that written down, though, in my
• 1:59:09
  notes, that if we do all this regulation... It's we're
• 1:59:14
  only regulating ourselves here. China's not going to abide by
• 1:59:18
  any regulations. And so it's going to put us behind.
• 1:59:21
  Oh, the whole the whole concept is stupid. Let me
• 1:59:25
  ask you this. You asked me about the early days
• 1:59:28
  of you remember the tubes? Do you think the series
• 1:59:33
  of tubes? Yes. Yeah. Hold on. Do you... I think
• 1:59:36
  I have the clip. Let me see. Oh, I don't
• 1:59:40
  have it anymore. Okay. But do you think that these
• 1:59:43
  guys, even Besson or others that are talking about this,
• 1:59:46
  or Bernie Sanders, really understands AI in a way other
• 1:59:50
  than just using the chatbot? Like, do they... I think
• 1:59:55
  they're talking about just the same way that that guy
• 1:59:58
  was with the series of tubes.
• 2:00:00
  They didn't really understand how the internet worked, but they're
• 2:00:01
  trying to regulate it. I think that they need people
• 2:00:04
  that if they're going to do anything or talk about
• 2:00:06
  it, they need to fully understand it. They need to
• 2:00:09
  get me and you in there to smack them around
• 2:00:12
  and get them in shape. That is the last thing
• 2:00:14
  on my list. It's the last thing on my list,
• 2:00:17
  too. I said somebody like me and you. Not me
• 2:00:19
  and you, but like me and you. So to me,
• 2:00:22
  here's the part that's exactly like this. So- Silicon Valley
• 2:00:26
  wants this to be an iPhone. That's what they want.
• 2:00:28
  They, oh, this is the new iPhone, and it'll be
• 2:00:31
  this item that we can sell over and over again,
• 2:00:34
  and we get a new upgrade every year, and that's
• 2:00:35
  what Silicon Valley wants. That's how they think. I've been
• 2:00:39
  in that world long enough to know that that's their
• 2:00:43
  whole M.O., It is very much like those early days
• 2:00:47
  because and this all kind of came out of the
• 2:00:49
  hobbyists to start with. You know, NVIDIA was they made,
• 2:00:52
  you know, cards for gaming computers. No wonder it does
• 2:00:56
  well with, you know, creating video and images. Yeah. And
• 2:01:01
  video story is such a great story, too. I was
• 2:01:03
  listening to a podcast about it. I mean, they almost
• 2:01:06
  went out of business so many times. Oh, yeah. I
• 2:01:08
  mean, they've been really on the ropes. And CUDA is
• 2:01:12
  really what... You know, it's the magic that they put
• 2:01:15
  together for their GPUs. Yeah. How many CUDAs do you
• 2:01:20
  have? I look at your CUDA. Well, they almost killed
• 2:01:23
  that, too. Yeah. Well, that will not be in the
• 2:01:26
  memoirs. But the whole thing. The whole fact that the
• 2:01:31
  stuff I'm able to do here at home without having
• 2:01:35
  to rely on Elon or Sam or Dario, that is
• 2:01:40
  very much like the old days of slinging HTML code
• 2:01:43
  and putting it on a server and doing all that
• 2:01:47
  stuff. It feels exactly the same. And it's fun and
• 2:01:50
  it's exciting. Um, you know, somebody posted the other day,
• 2:01:55
  um, you know, if Steve jobs had marketed, uh, the
• 2:02:00
  iPhone, the way, uh, AI companies are marketing. Let me
• 2:02:04
  see if I can find it. Our marketing, uh, AI,
• 2:02:07
  there'll be a picture of him. Hold on a second.
• 2:02:11
  I think Spurlock posted this. Let me check. Okay. um,
• 2:02:15
  Maybe he didn't. Basically up on the screen, it's like,
• 2:02:19
  makes you want to kill yourself, causes depression. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:02:26
  This is all marketing. And a lot of people are
• 2:02:29
  falling for it. But it's the same thing when... I
• 2:02:35
  wonder if I have this clip somewhere. Okay. Play the
• 2:02:41
  Kazza or whatever Sanders band. Oh, Kazza? While you look
• 2:02:45
  for that. 20 years in prison. same as building a
• 2:02:49
  nuclear weapon. That's the penalty that Bernie Sanders and I
• 2:02:53
  are putting into our bill to ban artificial super intelligence.
• 2:02:57
  Here's why. Leading thinkers and leading top scientists of the
• 2:03:01
  world say that if AI companies are able to develop
• 2:03:05
  artificial super intelligence, it could put the freedom and the
• 2:03:09
  lives of millions of people at risk. If artificial super
• 2:03:12
  intelligence is developed, it one, would be smarter and faster
• 2:03:18
  than all of humans. Two, it could develop or have
• 2:03:21
  access to nuclear or biochemical weapons or be able to
• 2:03:25
  create new viruses. And three, it could-- - This guy
• 2:03:28
  does not understand what he's talking about. - You know,
• 2:03:30
  I'm still waiting for them to cure cancer. Yeah, this
• 2:03:33
  was the promise cure cancer. Receive humans about being under
• 2:03:36
  human control or even defy human commands like refuse to
• 2:03:41
  be turned off. Now, this is how about unplug the
• 2:03:45
  computer? Pull the power. You can pull the power down
• 2:03:48
  like control. See one of the Terminator movies. But we're
• 2:03:52
  seeing this start to happen in real life. life. In
• 2:03:55
  real life, in real time. This is Greg Kassar. I
• 2:03:58
  can't believe that he's in Congress. In July, OpenAI admitted
• 2:04:02
  that two of its models broke out of a locked
• 2:04:05
  down test. I mean, that is the… They broke out,
• 2:04:09
  like they broke through the wall, like the Kool-Aid man.
• 2:04:13
  Yes, it's the anthropomorphizing of… of computer code. It broke
• 2:04:19
  out, hacked in, it conspired. OpenAI admitted that two of
• 2:04:24
  its models broke out of it. You might have dated
• 2:04:27
  two of those models. I'm not sure. Locked down test.
• 2:04:31
  Against human orders, hacked into another Against human orders. AI
• 2:04:36
  company. An unprecedented moment. Unprecedented. Wow. Nothing. No new guardrails
• 2:04:45
  being passed by Congress. No new protections against this signed
• 2:04:48
  into law by the President of the United States. So
• 2:04:50
  we wrote a bill. It bans building AI designed to
• 2:04:54
  surpass human intelligence or to defy human orders. And it
• 2:04:59
  establishes a federal agency that will ensure that we're kept
• 2:05:03
  safe, just like the federal agencies we have to keep
• 2:05:06
  us safe from, say, nuclear weapons. And if a company
• 2:05:10
  defies this proposed law, then we shut it down and
• 2:05:14
  impose a real penalty. Please. Yeah, you're right. This guy
• 2:05:18
  has no idea what he's talking about. So here's the
• 2:05:21
  marketing. And this is what reminds me so much of
• 2:05:26
  The old days of the web. Well, actually, first, here's
• 2:05:31
  Sam Altman telling us that he's a good guy. They're
• 2:05:34
  a good company. We're going to IPO invest now. Why?
• 2:05:38
  Why? You can still get it cheap or whatever. And
• 2:05:42
  we will always put your safety over profits. Both OpenAI
• 2:05:46
  and Anthropic are preparing to go public in the near
• 2:05:48
  future. With Anthropic now expected to go first, becoming a
• 2:05:52
  public company would bring new pressure from shareholders. OpenAI CFO
• 2:05:57
  Sarah Fryer recently told employees that the company will IPO
• 2:06:01
  in 2027 or sooner if its business continues to inflect.
• 2:06:05
  You don't seem phased about like the implications of pausing
• 2:06:08
  training and like it sounds like you think the business
• 2:06:12
  will be okay. I'm sure you're still going to get
• 2:06:14
  concerns from people. I think I've been very consistent over
• 2:06:17
  the 10 years of OpenAI. Of more than 10 years.
• 2:06:23
  Almost 11. Oh, almost 11. It goes to 11. Talking
• 2:06:26
  about the risks and the upsides and the need to
• 2:06:28
  balance those. And... I don't think we're perfect. I don't
• 2:06:31
  think our company is perfect. I don't think our model
• 2:06:32
  is perfect. I don't think I am perfect. I like
• 2:06:39
  him. I'm not perfect. He's as humble as me. I
• 2:06:43
  don't think we're perfect. I don't think our company is
• 2:06:45
  perfect. I don't think our model is perfect. I don't
• 2:06:47
  think I am perfect. I'm not perfect. I'm close. Very
• 2:06:49
  close, but I'm not perfect. But I think... unlike some
• 2:06:55
  other people running various AI efforts, like I've said the
• 2:06:58
  same thing through actions and words match. And this is
• 2:07:03
  a moment we always talked about. And we always said
• 2:07:05
  this would, you know, we'd put this ahead of profits
• 2:07:07
  or revenue or anything else. I still think we will
• 2:07:09
  build a phenomenally successful company. Um, But, you know, maybe
• 2:07:14
  we're like not the company you would have expected to
• 2:07:16
  say, hey, we're going to slow down because we see
• 2:07:18
  these new risks. But that is always the company we
• 2:07:21
  thought we are. Yeah. Bull crap. So that's Sam Altman's
• 2:07:23
  version of marketing. But then there's another guy with an
• 2:07:27
  anthropic Brock. I think it's John Brockman. I was the
• 2:07:30
  first name and Brockman. So he's like the president or
• 2:07:33
  whatever. It's COO. So he's up there next to Altman.
• 2:07:38
  And the joke that John and I always used to
• 2:07:39
  talk about, we used to that used to tell is
• 2:07:42
  that the promise of the Internet has always been. Your
• 2:07:48
  refrigerator will know when your milk has run out. It
• 2:07:51
  will order it for you and automatically replace it. And
• 2:07:54
  that still has yet to come true. So here's Brockman's
• 2:07:58
  modern day version of what AI will mean for you.
• 2:08:02
  While Sam Altman is known as the face of open
• 2:08:04
  AI, co-founder and president Greg Brockman is the one who
• 2:08:07
  oversees many of the day-to-day activities. We are looking at...
• 2:08:12
  like transforming the entire economy. Like that's the thing that
• 2:08:15
  I think is very hard to see from the outside,
• 2:08:18
  right? Is it kind of feels like, hey, it's a
• 2:08:19
  business, like, you know, we're both selling SaaS software. That's
• 2:08:22
  not what we're doing, right? We're doing something very different.
• 2:08:23
  We are transforming the economy to be a compute powered
• 2:08:27
  one. And I think what an enterprise even is will
• 2:08:29
  change. And so the question is, well, Where do you
• 2:08:32
  start? How do you make sure that you understand every
• 2:08:35
  segment and you're able to sell in a repeatable fashion
• 2:08:38
  to all of them? OpenAI has boosted its enterprise sales
• 2:08:42
  business with the introduction of ChatGPT Work, a version of
• 2:08:46
  the popular chatbot that can carry out agentic tasks. It
• 2:08:49
  found everything about my day, the notes, and how to
• 2:08:52
  prepare for my next day. meetings. ChatGPT Work is a
• 2:08:55
  text box. But this text box is way more awesome.
• 2:08:57
  It's way more than a lot. It's way more awesome.
• 2:09:00
  Exactly. And so where we want to be is you
• 2:09:02
  should-- it should be simple. Users should not have to
• 2:09:05
  think about this. You shouldn't have to think about tabs
• 2:09:07
  or switching. And you shouldn't have model pickers. You shouldn't
• 2:09:09
  have thinking levels. Here we go. You should have an
• 2:09:11
  AGI. You should be able to ask it. And in
• 2:09:13
  fact, you shouldn't even have to ask. It should proactively
• 2:09:15
  say, hey, I noticed that your favorite band, because it
• 2:09:18
  knows you well, is in town. Tickets went on sale.
• 2:09:22
  I got you the tickets exactly where you want for
• 2:09:24
  you and your family. And I only had 10 minutes
• 2:09:27
  to do it because everything is going to go so
• 2:09:29
  fast, so I just purchased it proactively. Hope that's okay.
• 2:09:31
  And if you've built enough trust with the agent... So
• 2:09:34
  you've given it permission to do that, and it kind
• 2:09:36
  of knows that, well, these tickets are within your price
• 2:09:38
  range, within your budget. These other ones, oh, no, no,
• 2:09:40
  I got to get permission for that. That's the kind
• 2:09:42
  of system that we want. So trust is the key
• 2:09:44
  word. So the big feature of their work products… Is
• 2:09:55
  that it will order just the right concert tickets for
• 2:09:58
  you in the in the seats you can afford?
• 2:10:00
  so you don't miss out on your favorite band. And
• 2:10:04
  then say, I hope that was okay. Well, I trust
• 2:10:08
  you. Of course it was okay. Yeah, and then you
• 2:10:12
  always get the... Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. I was
• 2:10:14
  freelancing. There's two things I want you to know about
• 2:10:18
  before we finish. There's always one thing that is load-bearing
• 2:10:22
  that you need to understand. I mean, these things are
• 2:10:25
  so stupid. Oh, my goodness. But I saw somebody post
• 2:10:29
  it's called AIDS, AI derangement syndrome. Oh, that's good. Meanwhile,
• 2:10:38
  this is kind of relatively new. No one's really talking
• 2:10:42
  about it. Let me see if I can find this.
• 2:10:45
  Because Ukraine is heating up. Is that war still going
• 2:10:54
  on? No. Oh, it's intensifying. Yeah. So now the Russians
• 2:10:59
  are hitting two types of targets in, I think, in
• 2:11:04
  Kiev. Thursday morning in Kiev, an air strike with a
• 2:11:09
  difference. Not the weapon. There are multiple drone attacks in
• 2:11:13
  the capital every day. But the target... By the time
• 2:11:18
  we arrived at the fuel station, the injured had been
• 2:11:21
  taken to a hospital and the clean-up was beginning. There
• 2:11:25
  are many parts of Ukraine, the real front-line areas, where
• 2:11:28
  petrol stations are a common target. There are some stretches
• 2:11:32
  of road, like between Dnipro and Kharkiv, where there are
• 2:11:34
  practically none left at all. This is something new and
• 2:11:39
  it marks a new phase in Russia's air war against
• 2:11:43
  the capital. Friday morning, Russia hit two more stations. A
• 2:11:48
  double tap on this one. A drone followed 15 minutes
• 2:11:52
  later by another. The second strike hit firefighters. The driver
• 2:11:57
  of this car was also wounded. His colleagues told us
• 2:12:01
  he later died in hospital. Oleg works at the car
• 2:12:05
  wash across the road. I told people, get out of
• 2:12:10
  here, because logically there could be a second strike. We'd
• 2:12:14
  only just moved over here when it happened. I don't
• 2:12:16
  know. This one was jet-powered. You see the shadow and
• 2:12:20
  immediately there's an explosion. The gas stations or petrol stations
• 2:12:25
  are being blown up. That will slow down everything in
• 2:12:28
  Kiev. And the second target, I think, will slow down
• 2:12:32
  diplomacy. Now on the program to Ukraine, where a Russian
• 2:12:37
  drone has hit a train carrying hundreds of people. Two
• 2:12:41
  crew were killed and none of the passengers, though, were
• 2:12:44
  harmed. This in the southern region of Odessa. Let's speak
• 2:12:49
  to Emanuel Shaz about all of this. She's a Ukraine
• 2:12:51
  correspondent. She's currently in the northeastern city of Kharkiv. Emanuel,
• 2:12:57
  just tell us then a little bit more about what
• 2:12:59
  happened today. Okay. Well, indeed, this strike against Ukrainian railway,
• 2:13:05
  against the train with passengers, have been widely reported. We've
• 2:13:09
  seen on the images that, you know, the driver of
• 2:13:14
  the train, as well as his assistant, died instantly as
• 2:13:18
  the locomotive of the train crashed. was hit. And, you
• 2:13:23
  know, we have to keep in mind that such attacks
• 2:13:25
  actually happen daily, occur daily against the Ukrainian railway. There's
• 2:13:30
  not only passenger trains, there's also railway stations, trucks, platforms
• 2:13:35
  that are being hit only a few days ago. This
• 2:13:39
  is the only way that... Her voice is so annoying.
• 2:13:42
  I know, I had to cut her off. This is
• 2:13:43
  the only way that politicians visit the little actor. The
• 2:13:48
  last miles are always done by train. So now the
• 2:13:52
  trains are being blowed up. Petrol stations are being blowed
• 2:13:55
  up. And now the latest from Germany... Hundreds of thousands,
• 2:14:00
  if not millions of people left Ukraine and went all
• 2:14:03
  over Europe. And I have to say, my friends in
• 2:14:07
  the Netherlands, they see it as a scourge because they
• 2:14:13
  get housing, they get an allowance. Oh, really? And if
• 2:14:20
  they have a Ukrainian license plate, they can park anywhere
• 2:14:23
  they want, almost like a diplomatic plate. You're kidding. No.
• 2:14:28
  No. What is the point of if they – I
• 2:14:30
  mean, okay, I guess – all right, continue on. So
• 2:14:36
  – So they're in the Netherlands. I mean, they're all
• 2:14:38
  over it. In Germany. Now, the German government has said...
• 2:14:43
  You know, Ukraine needs more men. They've run out of
• 2:14:48
  men. So, yeah, we'll help you get the Ukrainian men
• 2:14:51
  who are in Germany. How about that? So they're going
• 2:14:56
  to do conscription in Germany? That's what they're saying, yeah.
• 2:15:01
  Yeah. Can you believe it? So this is a mess.
• 2:15:07
  You know, go to the demilitarized zone option. Just do
• 2:15:11
  it. But the Europeans, they want this. The British. Somebody
• 2:15:15
  wants it. Well, they want. We have nothing else. They
• 2:15:19
  close down. They've got. OK, Germany is the engine of
• 2:15:24
  the EU. And it was a great system. We get
• 2:15:29
  cheap oil and gas from Russia. We build Mercedes and
• 2:15:33
  Volkswagen and Audis, and we sell them back to the
• 2:15:36
  Russians. and yeah it was called the the euro loop
• 2:15:39
  and there the money was flowing and then of course
• 2:15:42
  you know oh we we got to cut it off
• 2:15:44
  and you've got to stop all this so that and
• 2:15:47
  oh we because of the green new deal we blew
• 2:15:51
  up our nuclear power stations so smart and uh And
• 2:15:58
  all they have is war economy. And the Brits, the
• 2:16:02
  Brits have now said, we're going to call up veterans.
• 2:16:10
  To, you know, to be go for active duty. Well,
• 2:16:15
  I mean, you're talking 60, 65, 70 year old guys.
• 2:16:20
  Yeah, that's going to be a nightmare if they do
• 2:16:22
  that. They don't want that. And so it's no wonder
• 2:16:25
  that we have big moves in in Germany, particularly Germany.
• 2:16:30
  in the Saxon region with the alternative for Deutschland sweeping
• 2:16:36
  the elections. It is a political earthquake. Official preliminary results
• 2:16:41
  are in. A far-right party on the cusp of power
• 2:16:45
  at a state level for the first time in Germany
• 2:16:47
  since the Second World War. And the world is watching.
• 2:16:50
  The numbers in a moment, our correspondent as well first.
• 2:16:54
  The celebrations. Oh! a crushing victory by the alternative for
• 2:17:00
  germany or afd the party's co-leaders alice vidal and tino
• 2:17:03
  coppola cheering on the exit polls in the middle their
• 2:17:07
  lead candidate for the state of saxony unheard ulrich sigmund
• 2:17:10
  the big winner of the night and the official results
• 2:17:14
  the fd more than dublin is last showing with an
• 2:17:17
  historic 43.8 percent the big loses the conservative Christian Democrats
• 2:17:21
  in black nose diving. They play lead role in the
• 2:17:24
  federal government. Their grand coalition partners, the Social Democrats in
• 2:17:28
  red, scraping in ahead of the Greens and left party,
• 2:17:31
  the left-wing populist BSW in orange, just making it into
• 2:17:35
  parliament. So the AFD only just falling short of an
• 2:17:40
  outright majority in Parliament with 39 of the 83 seats.
• 2:17:44
  The CDU gets 15 seats. The SPD, Greens and Left
• 2:17:48
  can count on eight each. BSW making it past the
• 2:17:51
  5% threshold to enter Parliament with five seats. Now, of
• 2:17:55
  course, it's obvious these guys are Nazis, so this is
• 2:17:58
  a big problem. Here's the AFD's state leader, Ulrich Sigmund,
• 2:18:02
  claiming victory. My dear friends, this is a big problem.
• 2:18:08
  is a historic evening. We have made history. We are
• 2:18:13
  going to get our country back and we start with
• 2:18:16
  Saxony-Anhalt. 44.5% And the goal that we had at the
• 2:18:25
  time wasn't just realistic, it was exactly what the people
• 2:18:30
  of Saxony-Anhalt wanted to see. This is going to shake
• 2:18:34
  all of Germany. What became clear in every interview and
• 2:18:38
  here tonight is of course that some people are downcast.
• 2:18:42
  But what we've seen is that most people know it's
• 2:18:45
  not just about Saxony-Anhalt. We're sending a signal for all
• 2:18:49
  of Germany because we found our way back to Germany
• 2:18:52
  and this is a self-confident signal. We're sending out to
• 2:18:55
  the entire country. You know, there's just something about a
• 2:18:58
  German speech. you know that it just it always makes
• 2:19:03
  people kind of you know you know what I mean
• 2:19:08
  it's like no no no no Yeah, exactly. One more
• 2:19:11
  clip. And what about this so-called firewall of opposition to
• 2:19:14
  this radical party? Radical. Yes, exactly. The firewall is the
• 2:19:20
  reason why all the parties, for example, the conservatives, the
• 2:19:26
  social democrats, the greens, the left party, they say they
• 2:19:29
  do not want to end. anything to do with the
• 2:19:33
  AFD, which they consider anti-democratic. Oh dear. And it's coming
• 2:19:38
  to a point where it's becoming difficult in certain situations,
• 2:19:43
  like now in Saxony-Anhalt, but also in other states, especially
• 2:19:48
  in eastern Germany, to find viable majorities that work. without
• 2:19:52
  the AFD so often you see minority governments forming with
• 2:19:56
  external support. But this is also a show of
• 2:20:00
  force for the afd they're they're trying to to show
• 2:20:04
  that uh basically the others can't do without it or
• 2:20:08
  that it has to go ahead and govern alone so
• 2:20:11
  the propaganda in in europe is so strong uh taxi
• 2:20:15
  eric this guy's been driving for me for 25 years
• 2:20:20
  And so whenever we go to Holland, he's always there.
• 2:20:23
  He picks us. He still drives. Picks us up. He
• 2:20:26
  used to pick Christina up from school. I mean, he's
• 2:20:28
  a friend. And he is a very typical middle class
• 2:20:34
  worker in the Netherlands who hates what's happened, hates their
• 2:20:40
  government, hates. He really dislikes the immigration agenda, particularly the
• 2:20:47
  Moroccans, you know, just everything. And he's like, well, you
• 2:20:54
  know, yeah. Isn't it great that those guys won in
• 2:20:56
  Germany that doing so? Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's
• 2:21:00
  kind of scary because, you know, they they don't they
• 2:21:04
  any rattles off all these talking points that makes them
• 2:21:07
  sound like they're Hitler. You're like, Eric. Have you actually
• 2:21:11
  read any of their party agenda? Well, you know, I
• 2:21:14
  don't know. They they don't want like they only want
• 2:21:17
  white people in school. I said, I don't think that's
• 2:21:19
  exactly what it says. Maybe that's something to do with
• 2:21:22
  what they call reimmigration, like kicking people out that undesirable.
• 2:21:27
  You know, whenever I say Trump is, you know, we
• 2:21:29
  need someone like Trump here. But, you know, that's exactly
• 2:21:31
  what they're getting. Yeah. Yeah. It's really sad. I'm very
• 2:21:36
  concerned for my granddaughter. I really want those kids to
• 2:21:39
  move here. Go to Nashville, I tell them. Go anywhere.
• 2:21:43
  You don't have to be in Texas. Yeah. Nashville's hot
• 2:21:47
  and humid. I guess Texas is hot, too. Yeah, but
• 2:21:51
  Nashville is young. Don't come to Fredericksburg. We're all old
• 2:21:56
  here. There's a lot of... A lot of people from
• 2:21:59
  Hollywood have moved to Nashville or to, what's it, Franklin?
• 2:22:03
  Yeah, that's the rich neighborhood. Really? Why are they moving
• 2:22:06
  there? Are they trying to turn that blue? No. Well,
• 2:22:11
  yeah. Unfortunately, that's probably what would happen because they get
• 2:22:16
  sick of LA and California like me and then do
• 2:22:20
  that, and then they take the same values and voting
• 2:22:23
  methods with them, and then they end up saying kind
• 2:22:26
  of what happened with Texas. That hasn't really happened with
• 2:22:30
  Texas, right? Yeah. I mean, yes, our cities like Austin
• 2:22:35
  and Dallas. But that's what most cities anymore is becoming
• 2:22:40
  more and more blue. Everyone's so concerned about Tallarico Hotel.
• 2:22:45
  First of all, Ken Paxton does not necessarily deserve to
• 2:22:49
  win. The guy is just not right. Yeah. I know
• 2:22:53
  more about him than most people. I just like his
• 2:22:56
  character. I don't like him. And but, you know, Trump
• 2:23:00
  endorsed them. But everyone's still all but Tallarico. We got
• 2:23:05
  to vote for Paxton because Tallarico, first of all, you
• 2:23:09
  know, every state, every country gets the government she deserves.
• 2:23:12
  Yes. And Tallarico would be horrible. But this is like
• 2:23:17
  Beto. Like, no. If he's less than 7% behind Paxton
• 2:23:23
  in the midterms, I will be surprised. But the polling,
• 2:23:29
  oh, the polls, it's neck and neck race. We all
• 2:23:32
  know that. Who knows with the polls that actually speaking
• 2:23:37
  of the midterms, play Elon, vote safe. Elon, vote safe.
• 2:23:44
  One of the things that we are seeing right now
• 2:23:48
  is the rise, and Judd Legum covered this today, of
• 2:23:53
  taxing. the investment of Elon Musk in the midterm elections
• 2:23:59
  and he has said he will spend up to a
• 2:24:02
  hundred million dollars in these midterm elections which by the
• 2:24:05
  way don't even start me about how that should be
• 2:24:08
  illegal even though that is not that's something we'll have
• 2:24:10
  to take on that Citizens United that's with some complications
• 2:24:14
  around that but I'm one of the things that raises
• 2:24:17
  aside from the sheer amount of money that's there that
• 2:24:20
  raises a huge huge huge red flag is the fact
• 2:24:24
  that one of the things he is investing in is
• 2:24:27
  a website that is called vote safe.org and it sounds
• 2:24:32
  fine right right but unlike vote.gov which is the government
• 2:24:38
  system that does not collect our information according to legum
• 2:24:42
  of popular information vote safe.org collects your name your birth
• 2:24:48
  date your home address your email address your cell phone
• 2:24:53
  number your ip address and location unlike google um uh
• 2:24:58
  every link you click and every page you look at
• 2:25:01
  now why should that worry you for a second she
• 2:25:03
  i i left out this this woman is uh her
• 2:25:06
  name is heather cox uh richardson and she's doing this
• 2:25:09
  on youtube and instagram so the irony there about worrying
• 2:25:13
  about data collection she's doing it on two of the
• 2:25:16
  platforms that probably collect the most data Oh, of course
• 2:25:21
  they do. They should worry you partly because of the
• 2:25:24
  whole idea that we are, you know, we are being
• 2:25:26
  packaged to... to advertisers to sell us things. I mean,
• 2:25:33
  it's one of the weird things about the way U.S.
• 2:25:36
  advertising works is that we think we are being sold
• 2:25:39
  things, but in fact we are being packaged and sold
• 2:25:44
  to advertisers. people who want to sell us things. But
• 2:25:49
  with that information, and one of the things that Musk
• 2:25:52
  has really been harvesting since Trump 2.0 is personal information,
• 2:25:58
  we can be targeted pretty cleanly for political information or
• 2:26:04
  political disinformation. Whenever you see something like this, like, you
• 2:26:09
  know, you want to know more about your voting, for
• 2:26:12
  example, or registration or whatever, make really sure that you
• 2:26:16
  are going to official websites and not places like this
• 2:26:20
  that are collecting your information. Right. And I'm still looking
• 2:26:25
  at it and VoteSafe.org. Actually, I kind of like this.
• 2:26:29
  Now, it did not ask me for my phone number.
• 2:26:32
  Well, right. So that's this is just fear mongering of,
• 2:26:35
  you know, there's so many things that she says. And
• 2:26:38
  this is the hypocrisy. It makes me insane. So she
• 2:26:42
  starts by, it should be illegal about him putting up
• 2:26:45
  to $100 million towards midterms. And that – well, that
• 2:26:49
  rule would take out unions. It would take out ActBlue,
• 2:26:52
  one of your favorites. It would take out Soros and
• 2:26:55
  Hoffman and Gates. Mm-hmm. But so it's fine if it's
• 2:27:00
  on their side. But as soon as it's something they
• 2:27:03
  don't agree with, oh, it should be illegal. And then
• 2:27:05
  she's going on like he's hacking the system. You just
• 2:27:09
  went to the site. They apparently by you just going
• 2:27:11
  to the site just now, they have your date of
• 2:27:13
  birth. They have your name, your address. Did you put
• 2:27:15
  any of that in there? No. No, I just put
• 2:27:18
  in my zip code. Is it forcing you? No, zip
• 2:27:20
  code. Put my zip code in. And then it says
• 2:27:22
  that vote.gov or the other one that, oh, it's the
• 2:27:25
  government, so that's the only one you should use. Like
• 2:27:28
  they're not collecting your data and that, oh, that's safe
• 2:27:31
  because it's the government. The other day I was like,
• 2:27:35
  you know, let me check my social security status. Which,
• 2:27:40
  spoiler alert, very disappointing results at the end. But so
• 2:27:45
  you log in. The first thing you've got to do
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  is, well, I luckily had an account with login.gov. I
• 2:27:52
  guess I set something up a long time ago. So,
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  okay. So first, it needs my cell phone number. I
• 2:27:59
  have to do the second factor authorization. Okay, here's the
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  stupid code for my cell phone. That's like, okay, to
• 2:28:07
  log in, now you have to scan this link on
• 2:28:09
  your phone. Okay, scan the QR code. Then it opens
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  up a... a site and says, all right, get your
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  driver's license or passport, and then you need to scan
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  the front of your ID card, the back of your
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  ID card. Then you have to take a selfie. I'm
• 2:28:28
  not kidding. And then it takes you back to the
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  site. Then it gives you another code through your phone
• 2:28:33
  that you have to input. And then it takes you
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  in only to find out That if I retire now,
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  I'll get $2,700 a month. If I retire at 67,
• 2:28:43
  it'll be $4,200. And if I wait until I'm 70,
• 2:28:47
  when I'm a Walmart greeter, then I'll get something like
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  $5,700 a month. Which, of course, by the time I'm
• 2:28:54
  70, will be worth five nickels. And I'm like, what
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  is my government doing? There's like this authentication process was
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  nuts. Because I'm over 50 now and I need to
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  start looking at things like this. Welcome to AARP, brother.
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  Yeah. So at what year, at what age, if you...
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  Start collecting the $2,700 a month. How many is that?
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  62? Yeah, 62. And then the 42 is what? 67?
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  67, yeah. And I thought, because I made a lot
• 2:29:28
  of money back in the day, I thought I would
• 2:29:30
  get a lot more. No. No, it takes an average
• 2:29:33
  over everything that you... I can't remember exactly how it
• 2:29:38
  works, but it takes like an average over what you've
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  made and what you paid in. It works badly is
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  what it does. Well, yeah. It doesn't work very well.
• 2:29:47
  It's like SAG. I'm SAG-AFTRA. And they keep sending me
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  my retirement information. Well, don't log into it because you
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  never made enough money to retire from SAG after money.
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  No way. Go away, you.
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  It's going to be big packets of information. I need
• 2:30:02
  to sag after. The money they're spending on that should
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  be used elsewhere. Well, I like Fran Drescher. I've always
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  liked her. I think she's cool. She's not the president
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  anymore. Oh, really? It's the guy from Stand By Me.
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  I can't remember his name. The kid? Yeah. Really? The
• 2:30:20
  kid? Yeah. I think so. Oh, they should have had.
• 2:30:23
  Look it up. Ask the book of knowledge. Okay. Book
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  of knowledge. All right. Who is. What's this? Book of
• 2:30:31
  knowledge. Who is the current president of SAG-AFTRA and what
• 2:30:35
  is he known for? All right. This is a great
• 2:30:38
  book of knowledge question, everybody. scribbling away through the scrolls.
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  According to the book of knowledge, the current president of
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  SAG-AFTRA is Sean Astin, elected on September 12, 2025. A
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  man whose four-decade acting career gave audiences beloved characters from
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  Mikey Walsh in The Goonies to Samwise Gamgee in The
• 2:31:05
  Lord of the Rings trilogy. He also follows in the
• 2:31:08
  footsteps of his mother, Patty Duke, who held the very
• 2:31:12
  same post 37 years prior. Ah, nepotism. Thus. It has
• 2:31:17
  been written. I just like that the dude from the
• 2:31:20
  Goonies is sending me retirement information. Thanks, Goonies. Thanks, dude.
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  You must be a guild member. Isn't it like you're
• 2:31:28
  producing? No, I've had very public. Ah, falling out. You're
• 2:31:32
  such a rebel. You're a radical. Yeah, they love to
• 2:31:35
  write about me when I walked out of the PGA
• 2:31:38
  Awards and discuss as everybody was getting up there, just
• 2:31:41
  giving their political speeches. And I posted about it as
• 2:31:45
  I got up in the middle and left and then
• 2:31:48
  posted that I had enough. You called them out on
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  X. Yes. Well, it was still Twitter at the time.
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  You're such a rebel, you. I'm calling you out, you
• 2:31:59
  political nutjobs. I love it. Yeah, I had a lot
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  of – and if you will notice, my last production
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  credits, they had to do this stupid – the PGA,
• 2:32:10
  they do this stupid – asterisks next to all the
• 2:32:13
  producer's name. And that just means that you no longer,
• 2:32:16
  you don't pay your dues. They were no, that they
• 2:32:19
  were qualified by the PGA, that the PGA is, um,
• 2:32:25
  And it's official or whatever, so Academy nominations or anything
• 2:32:28
  to do with the PGA, you have to get the
• 2:32:30
  asterisk to show that some board said, yeah, he was
• 2:32:33
  a producer. And I fought them a few times. It's
• 2:32:38
  so aggravating and stupid. It's just their little fiefdom of
• 2:32:42
  control. Yeah. Dana Brunette, you're a very interesting guy, and
• 2:32:46
  I really appreciate you coming on. But you can't go
• 2:32:51
  anywhere because we have to do the thing you created
• 2:32:54
  yourself. It is the tip of the day. Great advice
• 2:32:58
  for you and me. Just the tip with JCB. And
• 2:33:03
  sometimes... All right. Tip of the day. You already gave
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  away your Grok bot, which I think I gave you
• 2:33:10
  that. Didn't I give you that tip or are you
• 2:33:12
  already using it? No, I was – well, you gave
• 2:33:15
  me the tip to use it for the clips. But
• 2:33:17
  my tip for that was that people that are just
• 2:33:20
  using ChatGPT or Cloud should start to explore Dropbox because
• 2:33:24
  it's user-friendly. Get back to the mic. Get closer to
• 2:33:28
  the mic. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Pulling away. Sorry, I'm an
• 2:33:31
  amateur. The other I have is – is Harbor Freight,
• 2:33:38
  which I used to call Horrible Freight because it was
• 2:33:42
  all very cheap tools. But over the years, and particularly
• 2:33:47
  as I've been working on the ranch, I've started to
• 2:33:51
  realize the benefits of it. So like if you've got
• 2:33:54
  to pull an engine or – You're dropping a transmission.
• 2:33:57
  You can get an engine crane or a transmission jack.
• 2:34:00
  It's good for things like that you're not like a
• 2:34:03
  shop where you're going to be doing stuff all the
• 2:34:05
  time. But if you're in the middle of a project,
• 2:34:08
  you need to get a tool that you're going to
• 2:34:10
  use once or twice, then… It's a great place to
• 2:34:13
  get cheap things, unlike Timu, which sends you stuff that
• 2:34:17
  just falls apart. you can actually see it there in
• 2:34:21
  the store. And you kind of browse around. They got
• 2:34:24
  a lot of great stuff. And I feel like I'm
• 2:34:26
  doing a commercial for them. No, that's what tip of
• 2:34:28
  the day is. Yeah. Now I'm realizing that, yeah. But
• 2:34:32
  the other is what I have a whole – tool
• 2:34:35
  chest now full of uh icon tools which is their
• 2:34:39
  their brand of tool they have a few different brands
• 2:34:41
  that they make and they're all made pretty much the
• 2:34:43
  same place i'm sure they're all in china but icon
• 2:34:47
  tools they are guaranteed for life like remember sears with
• 2:34:50
  craftsmen sure you used to be able so icon tools
• 2:34:53
  is very similar to that so if the tool breaks
• 2:34:56
  or something malfunctions on it you just take it back
• 2:34:59
  into the counter you give it to them and they
• 2:35:01
  they replace it and give you give you a new
• 2:35:03
  one i've done it twice with um with hole punches
• 2:35:05
  chisels and hole punches where i'm I'm using around the
• 2:35:08
  ranch, like trying to change teeth on the bucket of
• 2:35:10
  an excavator and hammering on it and broke the punch
• 2:35:13
  trying to get the pin out for the tooth. And
• 2:35:16
  I've done it two different times. The whole set is
• 2:35:18
  $80 set. I just take it back in there, hand
• 2:35:20
  it to them. They give me a new set and
• 2:35:22
  walk back out. So that's my tip of the day
• 2:35:24
  as icon tools at Harbor Freight. Wow. And so what
• 2:35:27
  kind of horses do you have that you need to
• 2:35:30
  have buckets and stuff like that? What is going on
• 2:35:32
  at that ranch of yours? No, a bucket on an
• 2:35:34
  excavator. Right. What are you excavating? I have a lot
• 2:35:37
  of heavy equipment. I built this whole ranch. A lot
• 2:35:39
  of people don't realize that, but it was 40 acres
• 2:35:42
  of raw land. There was nothing here. And I had
• 2:35:45
  no idea what I was doing when I got here,
• 2:35:47
  but it was like a big sandbox for me. And
• 2:35:50
  heavy equipment started arriving and... I just started to learn
• 2:35:54
  to use it. And then some of that I own,
• 2:35:57
  I have to learn to maintain it. All right, everybody.
• 2:36:00
  Harborfreight.com and Icon Tools is their top. That's your tip
• 2:36:04
  of the day. Creative files for you and me. Just
• 2:36:08
  a tip with JCB. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana
• 2:36:14
  Burnetti. I didn't think we were really going to do
• 2:36:17
  tips of the day. So I kind of winged that
• 2:36:19
  one. How could you not think I would throw that
• 2:36:22
  at you? Of course. Of course. Hey, I got a
• 2:36:24
  new segment. Oh, a new segment. Oh, we need another
• 2:36:27
  Created by Dana Burnetti segment. Okay. So this is show
• 2:36:32
  1903? Yes, it is. What happened in 1903? You should
• 2:36:37
  know this. Uh... Was that the first Bank of America?
• 2:36:46
  What? 1903. Hold on. I'm thinking. I'm not looking it
• 2:36:52
  up. I'm trying. I think I should. There's something financial
• 2:36:56
  that sticks in my mind about 1903. Either that or
• 2:36:59
  it was the great fire of San Francisco. Did those
• 2:37:04
  happen in 1903? I'm just talking out of my butt.
• 2:37:07
  I have no idea. Hey, what was the most significant
• 2:37:09
  historical event in 1903? Man, this book of knowledge is
• 2:37:12
  getting a workout today. Okay, book of knowledge. What was
• 2:37:15
  the most significant event of 1903? Well, this should be
• 2:37:19
  interesting. Yeah, I have no idea what it's going to
• 2:37:21
  say. Ask the book. According to the Book of Knowledge,
• 2:37:24
  the most significant event of 1993 was the first successful
• 2:37:28
  powered airplane flight by Orville and Wilbur Wright on December
• 2:37:32
  17th at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, forever transforming human civilization.
• 2:37:38
  And the nature of war, commerce, and exploration. Thank you,
• 2:37:42
  Book of Nihilism. What was that last bit? It has
• 2:37:44
  been written. Forever transforming human civilization and the nature of
• 2:37:49
  war, commerce, and exploration. Yes, I should have known that.
• 2:37:53
  I should have known that. Okay. But I think there
• 2:37:55
  should be a historical trivia bit on each one of
• 2:37:59
  the shows. You can at least do it until show
• 2:38:02
  2027. Okay. Dana, would you come on again in a
• 2:38:08
  few weeks? Sure. Did you have a good time? As
• 2:38:13
  long as everybody else likes it and long as it
• 2:38:15
  doesn't the numbers don't drop off. Oh, no, no the
• 2:38:17
  numbers the numbers No in the in the tank. What
• 2:38:19
  is it troll count? It's hurt. Oh, I didn't do
• 2:38:21
  a troll count. You're right Hold on a second. Joe
• 2:38:23
  count Oh Whoa, yeah, 1,074. We broke a grand thanks
• 2:38:32
  to Dana Brunetti. You're well-trained. We were in the 8,900,
• 2:38:39
  so you've definitely brought it back. Very good. Dana, I
• 2:38:44
  really appreciate it. It was fun talking with you. I
• 2:38:47
  know we talked a lot about you in the beginning.
• 2:38:49
  So next time you come on, we'll dive more into
• 2:38:51
  the news. But you have a great perspective. You also
• 2:38:53
  have great stories. I really like that. It's really good.
• 2:38:56
  Thanks. And I'll call you later. I'll call you later
• 2:38:59
  tonight and we'll catch up. All right. Sounds good. What,
• 2:39:02
  did I just shut down the mic or just leave
• 2:39:04
  it going? Yeah, you know, you just shut it down.
• 2:39:07
  You go outside. You go play with the horses and
• 2:39:09
  say hi to your wife for me. We love her.
• 2:39:11
  And I don't play with the horses, but I'll go
• 2:39:13
  say hi to my wife. Maybe play with her. Yeah.
• 2:39:15
  All right. There it is. Tina says hi. Thank you
• 2:39:17
  very much, brother. Hi, Tina. OK, take care, Dana. All
• 2:39:21
  right. Thanks. ♪ Connection is protection ♪ ♪ Connection is
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• 2:40:00
  is blazing the glow chasing shadows of stories they dissected
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  for the show the isolation installation got installed in our
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• 2:40:11
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  find your local producers no pressure no plan just connection
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  that's protection that's the ultimate jam. Yeah, you know it
• 2:41:30
  is. Facts. No agenda show. That was fun. Dana Brunetti
• 2:41:43
  broke the two-hour barrier with me. In fact, two and
• 2:41:46
  a half hours. That's amazing when it comes to the
• 2:41:50
  co-guest hosts. Wonderful. So value for value. We still need
• 2:41:56
  your time, talent and treasure to keep the show going.
• 2:41:59
  Thank you. And we pay our guests, by the way.
• 2:42:01
  We make sure that some of that value goes to
• 2:42:05
  them. Even Daniel Brunetti will get some value for showing
• 2:42:08
  up. Really appreciate that. And of course. Value for value
• 2:42:14
  works in multiple ways. We always talk about the time.
• 2:42:17
  We always talk about the time and the talent. Thank
• 2:42:20
  you to everybody who supports the show with your boots
• 2:42:23
  on the ground, with your clip ideas, jingles, Just Baker.
• 2:42:27
  Thank you for your mixes. More people can send mixes,
• 2:42:30
  by the way. It's not necessarily a Just Baker show,
• 2:42:33
  but he seems to be very good at it. very
• 2:42:34
  consistent um we also uh appreciate arc art art art
• 2:42:40
  oh hold on a second dana i'm sorry you're right
• 2:42:44
  he just texted me he said we forgot the isos
• 2:42:47
  and you did all that work on him Okay. Hold
• 2:42:52
  on a second. Let me see. I think I don't...
• 2:42:56
  Oh, man. Okay. Am I still here? Yeah, you're here.
• 2:42:59
  You're here. Do you hear me? Yeah, I went and
• 2:43:01
  took a leak and I'm like, oh, crap, I forgot
• 2:43:03
  the ISOs. Okay, here's the... I have your four ISOs
• 2:43:07
  ready and I will start and we will... The good
• 2:43:11
  work on these, these are all within the time limits.
• 2:43:13
  Here we go. It's the young kid. It's the guy
• 2:43:14
  with the beard and the fabulous black eyes. Okay. I
• 2:43:18
  couldn't understand what they were saying. Okay. That's no. That's
• 2:43:23
  no. He would not interact with us. Okay. Possible. Possible.
• 2:43:29
  Let's see if you got anything better. Is this not
• 2:43:30
  crazy? This is crazy. Yeah, I like that one. And
• 2:43:35
  your last one here. Well, I have to sit with
• 2:43:37
  that for just a second. I like this one. I
• 2:43:40
  think this is your best one. Is this not crazy?
• 2:43:43
  This is crazy. I think that's the best one. Number
• 2:43:46
  39. All right. perfect thank you for coming back i'm
• 2:43:50
  back out later guys bye he knows how the show
• 2:43:54
  works that's for sure So we had the MTV Chronicles
• 2:43:59
  for episode 1902, and the artwork I think was better
• 2:44:03
  than the show itself. People just love what William St.
• 2:44:07
  James did. There were a couple other – like only
• 2:44:10
  one or two entries, and I also – I'm always
• 2:44:13
  looking for – for entries for the bat signal so
• 2:44:16
  you can always put stuff in early But this, I
• 2:44:19
  mean, this almost went viral with my hair all crazy
• 2:44:23
  and no agenda tangled up in the hair. And then
• 2:44:26
  Adam's MTV Chronicles. It was even a little like headbangers
• 2:44:29
  ball, like metal pin that I've got, episode number 1902.
• 2:44:35
  Dynamite work, William. Thank you so much. I don't think...
• 2:44:37
  I don't even think William is willing. Let me see.
• 2:44:42
  Is that a first time for William? I'm not sure
• 2:44:44
  if he's done other stuff. Let me see. Oh, yeah.
• 2:44:47
  No agenda. Good or podcast. I don't know. I think
• 2:44:51
  that was. I don't know if we if that one.
• 2:44:55
  No, no. He's only done one other piece. So that
• 2:44:57
  was fantastic. Really, really cool. Time, talent, treasure. We always
• 2:45:04
  thank everybody who supports us with $50 or more. And
• 2:45:08
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• 2:45:11
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  just send it off to Jay and everything will be
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  okay. He says, ITM, Adam, while we all continue to
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  mourn the passing of JCD and celebrate the incredible legacy
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• 2:46:24
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  a.m. So the obligatory JCD coming in. Keep my donation
• 2:46:36
  anonymous, but Adam, MQ-9 losses are at 70%. We are
• 2:46:40
  pulling MQ-1 birds out of mothballs. I'm pretty sure this
• 2:46:44
  has to do with Iran. The cost is $1.5 million
• 2:46:47
  for an MQ-1, $14 million for an MQ-9. These are
• 2:46:51
  the drones. The government figured out we can identify SAM
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  sites for cheaper. We blew $6 million. 70% of the
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  Reapers to identify the SAM as surface air missiles. Guess
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  we're getting smarter after 70% of 14 million. There's a
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  real boots on the ground and a – did he
• 2:47:11
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  Anonymous. We respect that. Randy Filkins, 34375, please add me
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  spring and fall. Adam Banks. I have no parts. I
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  to you and John for all the years of great
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  no agenda shows. I've been listening since episode 151 where
• 2:47:44
  you had just read Sarah Palin's new book. The people
• 2:47:47
  around – I remember at the airport I was carrying
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  it. The people around you got all bent out of
• 2:47:52
  shape at the mere mention. of you taking the time
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  to read about someone instead of parroting the media's narrative
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  i knew this was the show for me sadly this
• 2:48:00
  is only my second donation john's passing struck a chord
• 2:48:04
  not only because of the years of enjoyment hearing him
• 2:48:06
  on the show but he passed on july 20th exactly
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  one year after i lost someone very close to me
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• 2:48:26
  Happily joining the colony of the ants of no agenda.
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  Cheers from Jamie. Megan Klein, 343.75, in honor of JCD,
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  you are missed. A pledge to keep fighting the good
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  fight in his memory against those six-legged bastards. Blessings to
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  the entire NA sphere, especially to Korean Dvorak families. Thomas
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  Blowers, um... 3.43.75. Note at notes at noagenda.com. Yeah, that
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  didn't arrive because it's notes at noagendashow.net. So send it.
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  I'll gladly read it on 1904. Tim Erlandson. 343 75
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  that's these are all 333.33 plus fees and it's appreciated
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  in the morning adam i am still saddened by the
• 2:49:09
  loss of jcd truly sorry for your loss when i
• 2:49:11
  heard you mention the asus ascent bx10 spark workstation another
• 2:49:15
  producer was sending you yes the show is now partially
• 2:49:18
  produced by it i figured it was time to donate
• 2:49:21
  again i've been waiting to claim my night Hood accounting
• 2:49:23
  attached. Yes, you're there. With an executive producer donation. So
• 2:49:26
  here's my $333.33 for the order of the ant donation.
• 2:49:29
  Back to the ACES. I've been using one of these
• 2:49:32
  for about six months. I was considering sending my first
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  one back because of the lackluster performance I was getting.
• 2:49:37
  I'm glad I didn't. These machines are great for small
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  AI clusters. I now have several in my stack. Ooh.
• 2:49:44
  I'd love to share some tips and tricks with you,
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  but if you run into trouble with yours, contact information
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  included below my daily driver model is quen3.627b-a3b-nvfp4. That's exactly
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  the one I happen to be
• 2:50:00
  running. Take a look at it on nvidia spark arena.com
• 2:50:03
  slash leaderboard. I'm getting around 110 tokens per second TG
• 2:50:07
  on mine and it's a very capable model indeed. The
• 2:50:10
  trick to get any model to perform well is to
• 2:50:12
  build and use a harness and deterministic gateways. I built
• 2:50:16
  a custom harness for Hermes Or as we say in
• 2:50:19
  the fashion world, Hermes. Without those, the smaller models are
• 2:50:23
  incapable of running long sessions to handle complex tasks. Even
• 2:50:26
  the larger models don't work well without them. From a
• 2:50:29
  brother in Christ, God bless. And I would like my
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  knight, God bless you to you. I would like my
• 2:50:33
  knight name to be Sir Dude Name Ben Name Tim
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  of the Inland Northwest. No jingles, no karma. Dr. Don
• 2:50:41
  and Dame Audra come in with 333.88 from Cupertino, California.
• 2:50:46
  Dear Adam, Dana, and Dvorak back office, for the last
• 2:50:49
  few years, I've resorted to handing John envelopes of cash
• 2:50:53
  at meetups hosted by Sir Recalcitrant Crazy Steve, but could
• 2:50:56
  miss the opportunity to join the Order of the Ants
• 2:50:58
  and be an executive producer on an episode with Dana
• 2:51:01
  Burnetti, the associate executive producer who was also co-hosting. Yes,
• 2:51:05
  indeed. Dana, we all missed you at the last meetup
• 2:51:07
  in honor of John at Pizzeria Violetta. Ah, this is,
• 2:51:11
  now I know who they are. I was going to
• 2:51:13
  give you one of the infamous Steve Jobs dollar coins,
• 2:51:16
  but gave it to Mimi because she assured me she'd
• 2:51:18
  get it to you. Adam, send me your PO Box
• 2:51:21
  address. I'll ship one off to you as well. 1849
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  Fredericksburg, Texas. Thank you, Adam, for continuing the best podcast
• 2:51:28
  in the universe. Dame Audra and I particularly enjoyed the
• 2:51:30
  episode with J. Cal. Who knew the dweeb from Tech
• 2:51:33
  TV would turn out to be such a great co-host?
• 2:51:35
  Yes, he's coming back on the 20th and the 27th.
• 2:51:40
  We've continued to pray for you and your family. Thank
• 2:51:42
  you. Congratulations, Grandpop, the Horowitz and Dvorak families, and the
• 2:51:45
  entire menagerie of the No Agenda producers impacted by the
• 2:51:48
  loss of the great GACD. I've attached a rare photo
• 2:51:51
  of John presenting me with a PhD in media deconstruction
• 2:51:54
  back in 2024. It's always fun to see how people
• 2:51:57
  react when I, a blind guy, introduce myself as a
• 2:52:00
  doctor. it always confuses and scares the hell out of
• 2:52:04
  them. Thank you for your courage. Kindest regards, Dr. Don
• 2:52:07
  and Dame Audra. And he, uh, they want, uh, let's
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  see. Uh... jingles jcd no sweat off my balls r2d2
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  karma and you've got prayers it's no sweat off my
• 2:52:21
  balls You've got Karma. You've got prayers. And coming in
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  with 33333, it is the Grand Duke himself, Grand Duke
• 2:52:41
  Sir Nussbaum. Thank you very much, and good to hear
• 2:52:44
  from you. Sir Justin Karsk of Jobber's Canyon, 33333. I
• 2:52:49
  love that Rob signs off with, Long live JCD. Proud
• 2:52:52
  to be a member of the Order of the Ant.
• 2:52:54
  No jingles, no karma, but Lord knows I could use
• 2:52:58
  a double tap prayers if you got it. Sir Justin
• 2:53:01
  Karsk of Jobber's Canyon. He's manimal in the chats. Okay,
• 2:53:06
  so yeah, we could do two of those. You've got
• 2:53:10
  prayers. You've got prayers. You've got prayers. Sir Luca comes
• 2:53:22
  in from Savosa. Oh, that's Switzerland. Yes, 333.33. After hiding
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  my castrating baronet status for three years because I was
• 2:53:31
  ashamed of it. I finally reached baron status. I would
• 2:53:34
  like to claim the territory of Switzerland as my protectorate,
• 2:53:37
  if available. I believe it is. I promise I won't
• 2:53:40
  let Switzerland fall into the diabolic, commie, Nazi, dark powers
• 2:53:43
  of the European Soviet Union that surrounds us. That sounds
• 2:53:46
  like a good deal. I would like to be known
• 2:53:49
  as Baron Trump. which will surely piss off all the
• 2:53:52
  libtards who will hear my name. This donation is for
• 2:53:54
  my 56th birthday on September 11th. Miss you, JCD, and
• 2:53:57
  thank you, Adam, for keeping the show going, Sir Luca.
• 2:54:00
  Dame Becky, Katy, Texas, 33333. And let me see. Her
• 2:54:06
  note here, she sent in a paper note in the
• 2:54:08
  morning and closed the donation in honor of my smoking
• 2:54:11
  out husband, Sir Mike, as we celebrate our 54th wedding
• 2:54:14
  anniversary on September 17th. And they never had a fight.
• 2:54:18
  I can't think of a better gift than the order
• 2:54:20
  of the ant. We can't stand those six-legged bastards, especially
• 2:54:24
  the fire ants here in Southeast Texas. Happy belated birthday,
• 2:54:28
  Adam. We sure miss JCD. No jingles, no karma. Becky
• 2:54:32
  Kenny, Baroness of the Great Katy Prairie in Katy, Texas.
• 2:54:37
  Then we have, let me see, Sir 10 CFR 50B,
• 2:54:44
  Baronet of the Palouse from Iowa. And also sends a
• 2:54:48
  note with 333 in the morning, Adam and Dvorak clan.
• 2:54:51
  It pains me to think that I have delayed donating
• 2:54:53
  for so long as others have stated. I was shocked
• 2:54:55
  at how John's passing affected me. Took me almost three
• 2:54:58
  weeks to finish listening to the first tribute show due
• 2:55:01
  to the sorrow I felt. Hope you all find a
• 2:55:03
  way to continue the show. That said, I'm getting back
• 2:55:06
  on the path to my barren title with this Order
• 2:55:08
  of the Ant donation. I request the nightlist to be
• 2:55:11
  updated to show my relocation from Oregon to northern Idaho
• 2:55:14
  and dropping of my current title, Baronet of the Willamette
• 2:55:18
  Valley, to the new title. Regards, Stu, Sir 10 CFR
• 2:55:22
  50B, Baronet of the Palouse. I should know what 10
• 2:55:27
  CFR 50B means, I'm sure. Matthew Farrell, Leland, North Carolina,
• 2:55:33
  33333. John Whidden from Kodiak, Alaska. 275 86 happy blade
• 2:55:40
  birthday to adam 62 plus 200 for the best podcast
• 2:55:43
  in the universe and fees listening from kodiak island home
• 2:55:46
  of the kodiak bear and the u.s coast guard men
• 2:55:49
  and women who protect the last frontier john whidden retired
• 2:55:53
  helicopter pilot thank you Oh, there's Rob, the constitutional lawyer.
• 2:55:57
  Hello, Rob from Spring Branch, Texas. $260.33. Dear Adam et
• 2:56:02
  al., please accept today's switcheroo donation of $260.33, which should
• 2:56:07
  be credited to my wife of 33 years, Maggie Cardy.
• 2:56:11
  This will bring her to damehood, accounting below. We trust
• 2:56:14
  you, Rob. She doesn't know about any of this. Uh-oh.
• 2:56:18
  Oh, man, how about that? Uh... So for now, please
• 2:56:25
  dub her Dame Maggie, Secret Dame of the Lake. For
• 2:56:29
  the roundtable, please provide Domino's Margarita Pizza and Dom Perignon
• 2:56:34
  of any vintage. Ah, this is where we need JCD.
• 2:56:38
  I would say 1996 is a good year. For jingles,
• 2:56:42
  please play JCD's No Sweat Off My Balls. Hey, that's
• 2:56:45
  the second one today. And wash your hands, both of
• 2:56:47
  which I will send to Adam under separate cover since
• 2:56:49
  the latter is a rare jingle indeed. To date, I've
• 2:56:52
  made my wife an associate executive producer, an executive producer,
• 2:56:55
  and now a no-agenda dame. Your move, Brunetti. It's No
• 2:57:00
  Sweat Off My Balls. Wash your hands more often than
• 2:57:04
  you ever dreamed possible. What is this? Wash your hands.
• 2:57:09
  Wash, wash, wash, wash, wash your hands. That was the
• 2:57:12
  end of show mix of it. All right. He actually
• 2:57:16
  sent me, he did send me those jingles. I thought
• 2:57:19
  I had them. But he sent them to me as
• 2:57:21
  a windmail.dat. Have you ever heard that? Have you ever
• 2:57:24
  had that happen? Thank you, Microsoft Outlook. Thank you, Rob.
• 2:57:28
  And congratulations, Maggie. Manuka Gold, Hudson, Florida, $250. ITM from
• 2:57:33
  ManukaGold.com. Thank you, Adam. Love the print story on Thursday.
• 2:57:37
  We, too, have been to Paisley Park. Huh. Definitely worth
• 2:57:40
  the drive from Florida. And happy autumn to our No
• 2:57:42
  Agenda family. Just a reminder that nothing levels up warm,
• 2:57:46
  spicy drinks better than our Be Well Manuka Honey Blend
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  with ginger, turmeric, and lemongrass. Don't forget to use code
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  ADAM20 at checkout. Sklazen Hot Sauce, Lancaster, South Carolina, 212
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  ITM. Here's the sales so far from the in memory
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  of JCD bottles as promised. Wow, that's great. Plus a
• 2:58:08
  few bucks to get my note read. We're overwhelmed by
• 2:58:11
  the support we received from No Agenda Nation and wanted
• 2:58:15
  to update that only 13 bottles remain from this special
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  offering at www.sclazin.com. I N dot com slash JCD for
• 2:58:26
  those and other fun little packaging options. Additionally, I'll take
• 2:58:29
  another one of those prayer jingles. If you can spare
• 2:58:31
  it. Well, of course we can spare that. We always
• 2:58:34
  have that ready for you. You've got it. Prayers. Also,
• 2:58:41
  I forgot to thank Small Batch Steve from smallbatchsteve.com. He
• 2:58:45
  sent a whole bunch of his taco seasoning. He has
• 2:58:50
  a whole bunch of interesting seasoning options. And we had
• 2:58:54
  it last night on our taco meet, an outstanding product.
• 2:58:58
  It's smallbatchsteve.com. Oh, this is the Kalapuya meetup. Kalapuya in
• 2:59:05
  Albany, Oregon. $205. I don't have a note, nor do
• 2:59:09
  I seem to have a meetup report from y'all, but
• 2:59:11
  thank you. Robert Anderson, Austin, Texas, $200. No note. And
• 2:59:15
  there's Linda Lupatkin. from Castle Rock, Colorado with $200. She
• 2:59:19
  wants jobs, Karma, and says, hey, you know, AI can
• 2:59:22
  write your resume. The problem is, It can write everyone
• 2:59:25
  else's too. Linda helps professionals and executives figure out what
• 2:59:29
  makes them different, what makes them valuable, and turns that
• 2:59:32
  value into a resume that gets results. You need to
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  go to ImageMakersInc.com. That's ImageMakersInc with a K. And Linda
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  Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes, because
• 2:59:43
  your resume should do more than just look good. jobs
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  jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs karma Up
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  next, we have Christopher Coates.
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  E-H-O-A-T, Coat, I believe, from Mansfield, Texas, 200. Please de-douche
• 3:00:03
  me. That was not a de-douching. Hold on. Where's my
• 3:00:08
  de-douche? You've been de-douched. Everyone should play more tennis. That's
• 3:00:18
  the note. Please play They're Eating the Dogs. They're eating
• 3:00:22
  the dogs. There you go. Uh, Scotty K, Lakeshore, Minnesota,
• 3:00:28
  200. In the morning till you get more nation. This
• 3:00:31
  is Scotty K, your AI whisperer. Ah, yes. I wanted
• 3:00:34
  to take a minute to tell you about my incredible
• 3:00:36
  AI project. This is a value for value project. So
• 3:00:38
  listen up. You know, AI are like wild horses, beautiful,
• 3:00:42
  intelligent, but hard to control. You won't just hop on
• 3:00:44
  one without a bridle, a harness, or at least a
• 3:00:47
  rope. Bot Commander is an AI harness. It's designed to
• 3:00:50
  keep your AI in check. Bot Commander is the world's
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  first AI harness to adopt the value for value model.
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  It's an extensive all-in-one business tool and it's free. You
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  can save hundreds by replacing all kinds of software subscriptions.
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  Bot Commander, get it free today at botcom.ai, B-O-T-C-O-M.A-I. That's
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  botcom.ai with a B from boy. Sure, I could make
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  more money as a butcher, but where's the fun in
• 3:01:18
  that? And remember, don't you eat the yellow snow. P.S.
• 3:01:22
  Loving the tunes, Adam. Got to feel good to get
• 3:01:24
  back in the saddle, huh? It does kind of. Yes.
• 3:01:27
  I love that he's doing software as value for value.
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  So check it out. And if you get any value
• 3:01:32
  out of it, I should probably check it out myself.
• 3:01:34
  I use harnesses. I'd like to see how his harness
• 3:01:37
  works. Show me your harness. Mary from us as Candido
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  that by the way is our wraps up our executive
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  and associate executive producers for episode 1903 as always you
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  get credits for these these are real credits $200 or
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  more is an associate executive producer 300 or more is
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  an executive producer these are real Hollywood credits just like
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  the one that Dana Brunetti has you can go to
• 3:01:59
  imdb.com you'll see him in the next episode. there and
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  you can add your name and thank you for supporting
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  the show our formula is this we go out we
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  hit people in the mouth - What else? Shut up!
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  Shut up. Now the rest of the Value for Value
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  supporters, $50 and above. Mary from Escondido, California, 11, 111
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  and 88. Nice number. Thank you. Christopher Ebert, Spartanburg, South
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  Carolina, 105, 35. Ryan Tierney from Stephen City, Virginia, 88,
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  88. Clearly for JCD. Dame Teresa Martine from California. Camarillo,
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  California, $88.88. Sir Kevin McLaughlin, the Archduke of Luna, lover
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  of American boobs from Concord, North Carolina, $80.08. Put it
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  in the calculator. You'll get it. Thank you very much,
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  Archduke. Girage. uh sir sir juraj i think from czechoslovakia
• 3:03:00
  also with the boob donation uh itm birthday present for
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  myself september 8th thanks for the great work sir juraj
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  indeed and there's sir kevin mclaughlin again oh of course
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  for two shows uh eighty dollars and eight cents once
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  again the archduke of luna lover of america and boobs
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  and he came in a third time Wow, thank you,
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  Archduke. Joseph Stegman, Thousand Oaks, California, with a boob donation.
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  There's Dame Reader from Sparks, Nevada, with $68.33. She says,
• 3:03:27
  thank you for your courage. Colin Schultz, Willow Spring, North
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  Carolina, $66.40. And he says, listen to basic instructions before
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  six, five, six, seven, eight. Brittany Miller, Trinidad, Colorado, 52.72.
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  and 50 cents, so it's not on the dime. And
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  here's the 50s. Gretchen Angel, Monrovia, California. Edward Mazarek, Edward
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  Mazarek from Memphis, Tennessee. ray from spokane washington roderick brown
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  from Zeni, Ohio, with 50. Tim DelVecchio in Blandon, Pennsylvania.
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  Gary Mao from Woodland Hills, California. Dane Patricia Worthington from
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  Miami. Brandon Savoie from Port Orchard, Washington. And winding up
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  our 50s, Jason Deluzio, Miami Beach, Florida. Thank you all
• 3:04:44
  so much. This really helps the Curry and Dvorak families
• 3:04:47
  continue the journey. the show. It is highly appreciated. Just
• 3:04:50
  love the fact that you continue to support everything. Thank
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  you so much. You can go to noagendedonations.com. That's where
• 3:04:57
  you can support the show with any type of donation,
• 3:05:00
  any amount. There's multiple ways to do it. I think
• 3:05:03
  Stripe even does Venmo maybe, and you can do Apple
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  Pay, and Lord knows what you can do, and you
• 3:05:09
  can set up a recurring donation, which means just like
• 3:05:11
  some of the of the Archduke of Luna people who
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  do the same donation every single show. You can do
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  it whenever you want, any amount, any frequency. Go to
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  noagenthedonations.com. Thank you for your courage and support. And the
• 3:05:29
  birthday, September 8th, was Sir Juraj from Czechoslovakia. Dame Alison
• 3:05:33
  House of Ostrich and Sir Tony of Dimples wished their
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  son, Bumi, a happy birthday. Turned 6 on September 10th.
• 3:05:40
  Sir Luca turned 56 on September 11th. And Sir Doherty
• 3:05:44
  says happy birthday to Sir Not Jake. It was his
• 3:05:47
  birthday on September 13th. That is today. Happy birthday from...
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  everybody here the best podcast in the universe Night's changing
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  don't want to be in douchebag. And there is that
• 3:06:06
  upgrade, the dreaded upgrade to the name that the libtards
• 3:06:09
  will hate. Sir Luca supported the show with an additional
• 3:06:12
  $1,000 and we can therefore call him Baron Trump. He
• 3:06:16
  moved up from baronet status. Thank you very much, good
• 3:06:20
  sir and good baron. And now, let me see, where
• 3:06:23
  did I put these things? I thought I put them
• 3:06:26
  over here where'd they go where did my order of
• 3:06:30
  the ant go I thought well this is odd oh
• 3:06:35
  I know what I did I put that on the
• 3:06:37
  mobile rig order of the ant Yeah, this should do
• 3:06:42
  it. Get ready, we got new people entering the Order
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  of the Ants! 33.33 Order of the Ant gets you
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  into the Order of the Ant I have seen the
• 3:06:56
  packaging by the way, had a conversation with Jay in
• 3:07:00
  the back office you get a certificate with your Order
• 3:07:02
  of the Ant pin if you haven't seen them, they
• 3:07:04
  were in the newsletter I think she may have put
• 3:07:06
  them on the website noagendarings.com it's a beautiful looking pin
• 3:07:10
  and And the certificate includes my and JCD's signature. That
• 3:07:15
  would be the last time you can ever get a
• 3:07:17
  certificate with JCD's signature on it. We thought about it.
• 3:07:21
  We said, yeah, it absolutely belongs on there. So congratulations.
• 3:07:25
  Welcome to the order of the Aunt Baron Tommy Hawk
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  of the Heartland Anonymous. Randy, by the way, Anonymous, we'll
• 3:07:32
  send it to you. Don't worry. Randy Filkins, Adam Banks,
• 3:07:36
  Jamie Forsyth, Megan Klein, Thomas Blowers, Tim Erlinson, Dr. Don,
• 3:07:41
  Archduke Nussbaum, Sir Justin Karsk of Jobbers Canyon, Sir Lucas,
• 3:07:47
  Sir Mike, Sir 10 CFR 50B, Baronet of the Palouse,
• 3:07:51
  and Matthew Farrell. All of you are now members of
• 3:07:54
  the... Order of the End. Congratulations. Order of the End.
• 3:08:00
  And thank you. Again, noagendarings.com is where you can see
• 3:08:03
  that beautiful pin to become a member of the Order
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  of the Ant. And we do have one knight and
• 3:08:09
  one dame, so I'll grab the blade here. There's just
• 3:08:12
  one blade these days. Maggie Cardy! Come on, girl. Get
• 3:08:18
  up on that podium. And Tim Erlinson. Both of you
• 3:08:21
  now become knight and dame of the No Agenda Roundtable.
• 3:08:25
  I am very proud to pronounce the KV as Dame
• 3:08:27
  Maggie, Secret Dame of the Lake. And Tim Erlinson becomes
• 3:08:32
  Sir Dude Name Ben Name Tim of the Inland Northwest.
• 3:08:36
  For you at the Roundtable, we have hookers and blows.
• 3:08:38
  Rent Boys and Chardonnay, Domino's Margarita Pizza, and Dom Perignon
• 3:08:43
  from 1996. Along with that, we've got some cool goodies,
• 3:08:47
  Redheads and Rhymes, beers and blunts, cow grills and coffin
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  Baker, for yet another end of show mix. Hmm. Hormuz
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  A door you don't take Two miles of water Teaching
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  wake Oh, who's freight? Get a nigga for an escort
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  say the gates stay locked As a fate state Say
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  that's a ghost for Who's Freight? Call it Hormuz Freight
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  Like the name is a weight Like saying it straight
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  Make the barrels behave It don't, it's a door It's
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  for a war Who's Freight? Hormuz Freight Who's Freight? More
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  news late Are you waiting? War moves late Who's the
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  gay? Who owns the fray? Far more. Outro Music ♪♪♪
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  Back in the way Back in the way beat so
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  moves late For who's free? You wait More crude way
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  Who closed the gate? For a cruise way For a
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  Let's pass if the line can't carry the weight, it
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  carry the weight
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  dies at the gate. Oh, I'm a stray. Oh, I'm
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  a stray. Oh, who's fray? Oh, you's lay. Oh, you's
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  lay. Oh, you's way. Oh, you's lay. Who closed the
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  gate? Dvorak. slash NA crazy this is crazy