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SMNTY Classics: Indigenous Women You Need to Know · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. And today,
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Speaker 1: as we record this, it is November a second, which
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Speaker 1: is election day here, I guess everywhere, but I mean
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Speaker 1: I know here in Tortia, right we have a mayoral
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Speaker 1: race happening in Atlanta right now. Yes, yes, so we
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Speaker 1: will see you at the results of that is how's
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Speaker 1: your how's your perception of time lately? How is it
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Speaker 1: that it's November? Yeah, I thought of that. I was like, wait,
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Speaker 1: is it too late for me to order on Etsy
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Speaker 1: for all of the gifts because I'm starting to get scared. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have ordered most of my Christmas presence already, And
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Speaker 1: I guess I don't want to stress anyone out because
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Speaker 1: I know it's very stressful normally, but now it's especially
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Speaker 1: Chessil because we've been to old It's gonna be all
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Speaker 1: kind of supply issues and mailing issues. Um, So my
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Speaker 1: mom and I were like, we gotta get this, We
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Speaker 1: gotta get on top of this, you gotta get it done.
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Speaker 1: So I just had this huge mountain of gifts like
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Speaker 1: sitting in front of my doorway. Well, it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: y around until December. But all right, yeah, it's it's strange.
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's both like the weather is cooler,
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Speaker 1: so that's there, but it's just kind of being inside
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Speaker 1: all the time makes it very strange when you're like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's November, all right, Okay. November is also American Indian
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Speaker 1: Heritage Month, um, and we are going to have some
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Speaker 1: content around that throughout this month. But for our classic,
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Speaker 1: we wanted to bring back an episode we did with
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Speaker 1: a lovely guest, Natalie Evans of These Some kind of
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Speaker 1: Brown Podcast when she came to us and brought examples
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Speaker 1: of indigenous women's one of her favorite indigenous women that
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Speaker 1: people should know about. So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey,
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Speaker 1: this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to STUFFMO never
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Speaker 1: told you. Protection of I Heart Radio's house effort. We
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Speaker 1: have something pretty pretty special a little different today. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: As you know, we've been trying to shout out listeners
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Speaker 1: and other people we think are doing cool things at
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Speaker 1: the end of episodes and podcasts, pasting podcast which Samantha
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Speaker 1: has been spearheading, um and we that kind of came
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Speaker 1: simultaneously with another topic we want to talk about and
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Speaker 1: a podcast that we shouted out because as we record this,
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Speaker 1: not as you hear it in classic Sminty fashion of course, Um,
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Speaker 1: it is a Native American heritage MUK November. I thought
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Speaker 1: it a little closer one time frame now than we
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Speaker 1: haven't before. Yeah, we're closing in, although a little better now.
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Speaker 1: I think it's just our thing. Maybe maybe we should
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Speaker 1: just stick with it. Um. But this is so confusing
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Speaker 1: because we have the episode we're talking about asn't published it,
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Speaker 1: but you should have heard it by now. Somebody we
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Speaker 1: shouted out, UM has an amazing podcast, some kind of
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Speaker 1: Brown podcast. Yes, Natalie Evans is doing a fantastic job
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Speaker 1: with Some kind of Brown. She's been on I think
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Speaker 1: a year and a half. So what she said, it's
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Speaker 1: a podcast about multi racial, biracial and many multicultural ideas
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Speaker 1: behind and what it's like to be in that life
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Speaker 1: or in that moment. However, she identifies as Indigenous Black
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Speaker 1: UM and she is very, very obviously passionate about indigenous
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Speaker 1: and Native UM people and wanted to have their stories told,
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Speaker 1: which is I think it is very important as well.
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Speaker 1: And of course I mentioned a couple of times because
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't hear it often, but she does
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Speaker 1: include in a racial adoption as a part of our
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Speaker 1: conversation too, and I loved that because, and I think
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Speaker 1: I've talked about it is often I feel really confused
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Speaker 1: about my identity a lot of the times because my
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Speaker 1: identity is conflicting to what I grew up with with
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Speaker 1: who I am, my actual ethnicity. And so what she's
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Speaker 1: doing is just fantastic. And also she's looking into the
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Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus world and being inclusive, and I love all
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Speaker 1: of the things. And I feel like it's very much
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Speaker 1: in the spirit of smenting and what we want to
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Speaker 1: do and what we want to talk about. And Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so when we saw her podcast, and I was very
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Speaker 1: excited about she was doing um Red November, which was
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Speaker 1: highlighting the hashtag m M i W or the missing
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Speaker 1: and murdered Indigenous women and talking about those conversations and
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Speaker 1: trying to bring a lot more highlights than I know
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Speaker 1: you did an episode as well. So it just split
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Speaker 1: in a line perfectly that we try to connect and
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Speaker 1: she was so willing and so we were so excited
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Speaker 1: to have her on the show. Yeah, and one of
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Speaker 1: the things we asked of her would be was to
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Speaker 1: talk about some some women famous, well maybe not famous,
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Speaker 1: but they should be famous indigenous women, um, that we
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Speaker 1: we all should know more about. And she was great adalyst,
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Speaker 1: Like how many I could go on and on, um.
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Speaker 1: But we do want to say before we get into this,
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Speaker 1: just a general disclaimer, and we do mention this in
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Speaker 1: the interview, but history is tricky when it comes to
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Speaker 1: I mean just in general honestly, UM, but also when
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Speaker 1: it comes to colonization in the United States, sources can
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Speaker 1: be hard to come by. And also UM, pronunciations, Uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: because there's no source like today peek behind the scenes.
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Speaker 1: What I do. I go to a pronunciation website. If
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Speaker 1: it's not on there, then I go to YouTube and
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Speaker 1: try to find somebody saying whatever it is that doesn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily exist for for the women, um that we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about, so trying our best. Feel free to
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Speaker 1: write is if you know, Yeah, I feel free to
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Speaker 1: write in and let us let us know that us
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Speaker 1: give us a gentle correction. Um. But yeah, let's let's
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Speaker 1: hop into the interview. Ah. My name is Natalie Evans
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Speaker 1: and I'm the host of some kind of brown podcast.
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Speaker 1: My podcast is mostly about mixed in my multi racial life,
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Speaker 1: cultural issues and current events that are going on, and
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Speaker 1: exploring what it really means to my multicultural For multi
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Speaker 1: racial sometimes bi racial ethnic background isn't what that really means.
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Speaker 1: So we cover everything from reconnecting the culture to accepting
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Speaker 1: some of the negatives or how to deal with things
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Speaker 1: like you know, the normal things like people putting their
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Speaker 1: hands in your hair and having boundaries. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of things that kind of fall under under that umbrella.
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Speaker 1: But for me specifically, I am reconnecting with my native
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Speaker 1: Indigenous side, so I get to document that through the podcast,
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Speaker 1: and it led to my Red November projects, which I
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Speaker 1: think is probably found me and what we're talking about today, right,
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Speaker 1: And could you explain a little bit about your Red
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Speaker 1: November project, because yes, that is one of the things
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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is awesome. Uh, The November
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Speaker 1: is an absolute passion project for me. It's something that
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do that they started. I said that, like,
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Speaker 1: I've had a podcast for a long time. I had
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Speaker 1: it for a year and a half. But it is
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Speaker 1: a series that focuses on the m m I w
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Speaker 1: or Missing a Murdered Indigenous Women girls two spirit people movements,
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Speaker 1: and it kind of approaches this systemic problems, the angle
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Speaker 1: of different Native non binary and women in our different perspectives.
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Speaker 1: I've talked to people from all different walks of life
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Speaker 1: and how it affects us and some of the problems
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Speaker 1: when we're looking at the end my w movement went
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Speaker 1: so necessary, and the fact that we can't find any
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Speaker 1: information on the women who are missing, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that we very very rarely do any of these cases
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Speaker 1: or women get any kind of publicity. It's something that's
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Speaker 1: very painful and something that is slowly coming to light.
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Speaker 1: And then really excited to see that people are listening
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Speaker 1: and we have you on here today because I would
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Speaker 1: say the work that you do is fantastic and important
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Speaker 1: and we wanted you to kind of have a platform
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Speaker 1: here with us to talk to us about these different fights.
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Speaker 1: I guess that is what the best way we can
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Speaker 1: put it. UM and movements that you guys are you
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Speaker 1: were specifically pushing through and trying to get noticed for,
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Speaker 1: which is awesome. In your own podcasts which try to
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Speaker 1: highlight UM the different cultures as well as the difficulties
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Speaker 1: and the issues of being multiracial, biracial all of those things,
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Speaker 1: and you had even included um, interational adoption, which applies
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Speaker 1: to me. You know, it's very excited to see that,
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Speaker 1: which we highlighted your podcast on. Well episode that's coming
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Speaker 1: that we haven't published yet but has already recorded. There
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist publicly. I didn't acknowledge it's happening. Um, So
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Speaker 1: today I asked you to come on because it is
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Speaker 1: uh Native American Heritage Month. Yes, as we record that,
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Speaker 1: as we're recording, because yeah, by the time this is
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Speaker 1: published is over, we're a little late. But to talk
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Speaker 1: about it always good to talk about, Yes, as we should. Um.
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Speaker 1: And so you came on and you actually sent us
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Speaker 1: a giant list, which I love the things that you
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Speaker 1: want to talk about, people you want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and started, Yeah, okay, all right.
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Speaker 1: You told me that originally you were thinking about talking
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Speaker 1: about historical Native figures, particularly women or two spirit people.
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Speaker 1: And do you say massive lists, But this is just
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Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny, little list of amazing women that you
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Speaker 1: can look into. In a lot of Native Native cultures,
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Speaker 1: women are kind of the bear bearers of tradition. A
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Speaker 1: lot of these women who stand out in history were
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Speaker 1: also warriors. Most of the tribes are not cillennial, which
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Speaker 1: means that plans and traditions have passed down from the mother.
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Speaker 1: It's something that was very women were very equal or
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Speaker 1: sometimes a little higher in certain tribes. But as colonization
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Speaker 1: and the boarding schools and residential schools tried to westernize
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Speaker 1: the culture, that's one of the things that kind of
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Speaker 1: leaked in but is being worked on now. The codine
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Speaker 1: is showny Confederacy or the Iroquois Confederacy. They are probably
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Speaker 1: one of the most matrimonial groups that I've heard of
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Speaker 1: as a group of nations. They just have more female
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Speaker 1: led traditions. What was what are some of those traditions.
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Speaker 1: One of them, like I said, is clans passed down
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Speaker 1: from the mother. So if your mother was born in
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Speaker 1: one plan and the fathers and another, the mother's plans
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Speaker 1: kind of like last names with different They also have
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Speaker 1: a lot of medicine as a lot of women who
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Speaker 1: are famous for being medicine woman. So those are two
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Speaker 1: of the biggest things. Women as leaders and warriors and mothers.
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Speaker 1: That's just a very revered position in Native culture. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about some of these women.
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Speaker 1: You're right, it's not a very vast last list. It
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Speaker 1: should be way way way more. There are obviously way
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Speaker 1: way way more. But for her time and purposes, let's
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Speaker 1: start with some of the big figures and names that
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Speaker 1: you want to talk about. Okay, we have Piprina Buffalo
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Speaker 1: calf road woman. That's her name, Elizabeth want to make her.
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Speaker 1: Of course I can't pronounce the for a Trovich. The
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Speaker 1: Polish sounding name was all the things I could not
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Speaker 1: find the plantation of her thinking names, so unfortunately can't
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Speaker 1: say that one as Tish Callista and Madonna stutter Hawk.
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Speaker 1: They're all from different groups, and actually two of them
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Speaker 1: on opposite side, which is kind of interesting. But toy
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Speaker 1: Parina is the first person on my list, and she
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Speaker 1: is of the tongue of the tribe located in the
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles basin. And there's a little bit of controversy
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Speaker 1: over what the tribe is called, because once they're not
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Speaker 1: nationally recognized, and two the government called the tribe something else.
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Speaker 1: It's been very interesting. Colonization is the problem for records.
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Speaker 1: But she was a medicine woman who opposed Spanish rule.
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Speaker 1: When she was nine, the Spanish colonizers invaded it is colonized.
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Speaker 1: There's two strong words. I don't know, okay, uh, I
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Speaker 1: don't like to call it. There's a group of people
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Speaker 1: who are using colonizers to talk about current people, and
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Speaker 1: I think that's a little too harsh of a narrative.
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Speaker 1: We're trying to talk about inclusivity and awareness and education,
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Speaker 1: but these are actual colonizers, little colonizers. Good, Okay. They
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Speaker 1: made it their goal, of course, to convert the people
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Speaker 1: and erase their cultural practice is I'm sure at the
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Speaker 1: like four pages and everyone's history books makes it clear
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Speaker 1: why the pornies of Americans needed to learn the Western
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Speaker 1: way and any attempts through this assimilation or conversion resulted
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Speaker 1: in our speeding torture and they see them be killed.
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Speaker 1: Things reached they're breaking point when traditional dances were banned
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Speaker 1: and to a point and helped unite six villagers to
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Speaker 1: attack the Stand Gabriel mission. Even though their attacks failed,
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Speaker 1: toy Prina was seen as a witch. She was just
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Speaker 1: dead and the end she was baptized and exile. I
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Speaker 1: can only imagine against her will. But she is still
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Speaker 1: a figure of bravery and leadership and very celebrated. You
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Speaker 1: know that there's a play based on her. According to
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Speaker 1: the research I found, there is a play about her life, um,
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Speaker 1: and that was not surprising. Yeah, premiered at the San
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Speaker 1: Gabriel Mission Playhouse in and towards California in um. And
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Speaker 1: also apparently there's a short film about her life and
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Speaker 1: a book called Zoro has an homage to her by
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Speaker 1: Isabelle Allende Allende. Yes, yeah, so, um she's not someone
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately I had never heard of her both, right, I
15:50
Speaker 1: haven't either, But I like that there's increasing awareness about
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Speaker 1: about her and that there's this art being made about her.
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Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of artworks that are that
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Speaker 1: have been made in that I think. Unfortunately, unless you're
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Speaker 1: looking for her, mostly the people in Los Angeles, based
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Speaker 1: in an urn that area no occur. And that's about it. Um,
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Speaker 1: which is the case sometimes. But I don't know all
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Speaker 1: of these women. Their stories are like bit their steet.
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Speaker 1: You read about them. On the one hand, you feel
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Speaker 1: a bunch of pride from reading about their strengths and
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Speaker 1: the things that they were able to do. But at
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Speaker 1: the same time, we kind of know how this story goes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it's much been a romanticize The truth of the
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Speaker 1: matter is it's pretty horrifying, the narrative in it. All right,
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Speaker 1: So the next woman you had on your list with
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Speaker 1: Buffalo calf Road Woman, which is an intense name, and
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Speaker 1: that is their only name? Uh it is? There is
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Speaker 1: a her name in Northern Cheyenne. I can't I couldn't
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Speaker 1: find how to pronounce it. But she is of the
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Speaker 1: Northern Cheyenne tribe. And if you've heard of the battle
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Speaker 1: a little big born, hm, I don't know, but um
17:20
Speaker 1: me a differing in the mispool. So I'm fancy, super fancy,
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Speaker 1: super fancy. Uh. But yeah, you should have heard about
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Speaker 1: Balo cast broad Woman. If you don't know by name,
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Speaker 1: you probably have heard of Lieutenant Canal Fluster Yep. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't really. Yeah, so even if you're on the bottle,
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Speaker 1: you know him. And she was the one who knocked
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Speaker 1: him off of his course before he died. Wow. I
17:51
Speaker 1: shouldn't be proud of that, but I kind of am.
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Speaker 1: Come on now that I should celebrate anyone's death. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is not actually her first place prowess as a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: She also fought in the Battle of the Rosebud, and
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Speaker 1: the Cheyenne called this battle the Battle with the Woman
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Speaker 1: saved her brother, I believe because they were losing and
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Speaker 1: her brother, the chief comes in Sight, was injured and
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Speaker 1: she's turned her horse around. Gallops both felt the deep
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Speaker 1: of the fighting and saved her brother. The Laquota and Cheyenne,
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Speaker 1: who are fighting together joined forces under Crazy Horse, were
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Speaker 1: inspired by her bravery and turned around and won the
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Speaker 1: Battle of a Little Big Horn. She also fought alongside
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Speaker 1: her husband's black Coyote, and after the battle, she and
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Speaker 1: her family were captured, unfortunately and relocated. But like, she's
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Speaker 1: another woman who's fighting spirit is an inspiration for some
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Speaker 1: of us Native women and people in general. She it's
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Speaker 1: such a boss. She went through all these things, she
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Speaker 1: fought in these battles. It she proved her prowess to
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Speaker 1: the warrior and her husband Ryle. In jail, she died
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Speaker 1: from diphtheria or malaria, We're not sure which. Like, after
19:20
Speaker 1: everything she's been through, that's going to take her down, really,
19:24
Speaker 1: But I mean this kind of sounds about right as
19:27
Speaker 1: you come through that type of colonization and and the
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Speaker 1: diseases that was brought by those types of people, um
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Speaker 1: that had actually killed a many of tribes and many
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Speaker 1: of indigenous people. At that point in time. And it
19:40
Speaker 1: is sad, but you know, she couldn't be taken down
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Speaker 1: our out of a force of nature. I guess it's sad.
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Speaker 1: But also if you look at it, no, no person
19:50
Speaker 1: put down exactly. She was too strong for people to
19:53
Speaker 1: put it strong for the individual. Man, I'm just saying
19:58
Speaker 1: it couldn't be done by man. So other happens deep,
20:04
Speaker 1: Oh my god, totally totally unrelated. But my brain immediately
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Speaker 1: went to Lord of the Rings. Yeah, see, okay, we
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Speaker 1: like that reference. Go ahead, go ahead with a reference
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Speaker 1: because one of the leaders of the Black Writers couldn't
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Speaker 1: be killed be killed by a man and was killed
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Speaker 1: by a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the way. I'm
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Speaker 1: no man, okay, so good, it was good. Don't get
20:39
Speaker 1: us off track myself like that. We love we loves
20:43
Speaker 1: and classics. Lord of the Rings, come on. So going on.
20:47
Speaker 1: So it's Elizabeth Wanna Maker, Peretrovic. I literally looked up
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Speaker 1: more of the native print stations of their names, so
20:55
Speaker 1: I did on that one. So we'll just say Paratrovic,
21:02
Speaker 1: this is not fair. I don't know. I preferred to
21:08
Speaker 1: call people by their indigence. Her native names understandable, understandable.
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Speaker 1: She is part of the Linkett tribe, and someone can
21:19
Speaker 1: at me and if I don't pronounced them that wrong
21:20
Speaker 1: because it felt completely differently. But they're in Alaska. She
21:28
Speaker 1: was adopted at a young age. And one of the
21:31
Speaker 1: reasons why I really wanted to use her name her
21:34
Speaker 1: original Pinkett name, is because she only got the name
21:38
Speaker 1: Elizabeth want to make her after she was adopted, which
21:42
Speaker 1: kind of makes my heart out of that whole eraser thing.
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Speaker 1: And she gained that wonderful is it polish? I have
21:52
Speaker 1: no idea last name from her husband's roy but they
21:56
Speaker 1: were both Native, and they became the ends president of
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Speaker 1: the Alaska Native Brotherhood and Sisterhood, and they eventually moved
22:06
Speaker 1: to Juno, and we're confronted by the no Natives allowed
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Speaker 1: buying all over the place. There's some siens say no
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Speaker 1: dogs and no natives, like excuse me, so frustrating. But
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth's probus and was determined to bring change. So she
22:25
Speaker 1: directed and presented the Anti Discrimination Act, and it was
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Speaker 1: the first shot down and she in that teen three,
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Speaker 1: I believe, and she reads to put it before or
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Speaker 1: the Senate in nineteen and just to kind of paint
22:46
Speaker 1: a picture of what she was like, I kind of
22:49
Speaker 1: has to say a quote from someone who's not very nice,
22:53
Speaker 1: so to give you a picture of the kind of
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Speaker 1: discrimination that needs faced in Alaska. Senator for then, Senator
23:01
Speaker 1: Alan sat felt comfortable enough to say, and a cluach,
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Speaker 1: far from being brought close together which will result from
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Speaker 1: this act, the racist should be kept further apart. He said,
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Speaker 1: who are these people, barely out of savagery who want
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Speaker 1: to associate with us white? Was five thousand years of
23:22
Speaker 1: recorded civilization behind us? Oh my god. Her response to
23:30
Speaker 1: that was was kind of amazing to sender Allen, She said,
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Speaker 1: I would not have expected that I, who am barely
23:38
Speaker 1: out of savagery, wouldn't have to remind gentlemen, was five
23:42
Speaker 1: thousand years of recorded civilization behind them? Of our bill
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Speaker 1: of rights? Yeah? Yeah, she testified last in defense of
23:56
Speaker 1: the act, and whatever she said she was able to
24:00
Speaker 1: move the entire assembly. Some people said that there was
24:03
Speaker 1: cheers everywhere and seraing ovation and her work resulted in
24:07
Speaker 1: Alaska being the very first date to pass INTI discrimination legislation,
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Speaker 1: but did pass in that's amazing, that is amazing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we have some more women we want to talk about listeners.
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24:40
Speaker 1: get into the interview to put that into perspective. We
24:44
Speaker 1: didn't really have remember joining from themself Arkansas specifically, we
24:50
Speaker 1: had segregation filled the seventies, so this this act was
24:57
Speaker 1: very ahead of it time. Oh yeah, it looked like
25:02
Speaker 1: and Annie had put in here that it would have
25:03
Speaker 1: been nearly twenty years before the federal civil rights side
25:05
Speaker 1: would be passed, as well as fourteen years before Alaska
25:09
Speaker 1: would become a state, which is phenomenal timing that she
25:13
Speaker 1: was able to push that hard and get that accomplished. Yeah,
25:17
Speaker 1: she obviously had some kind of gift of word speech
25:22
Speaker 1: because she was able to move people who were so
25:26
Speaker 1: set in their ways of thinking of progress or ways
25:29
Speaker 1: of looking at Native people that they would pass this
25:33
Speaker 1: after it had ben't failed. So I don't know what
25:36
Speaker 1: kind of magical words she used, but we need to
25:41
Speaker 1: imagine right now, Yes, for a few reasons. For a
25:47
Speaker 1: few reasons. Uh yeah, and I read that the United
25:53
Speaker 1: States meant will have a one dollar coin featuring her, So,
25:59
Speaker 1: oh I didn't hear. That's exciting that was very exciting.
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Speaker 1: Looks like her son Um sculpted a bronze bust in
26:06
Speaker 1: honor of her that was in the state Lobby of
26:09
Speaker 1: Alaska as well. So she's a significant portion to the
26:13
Speaker 1: history of Alaska, which is beautiful. Yeah did you see
26:17
Speaker 1: the um we can do it? What was that that
26:22
Speaker 1: war time derivat. Yeah, she's They have one for her too,
26:29
Speaker 1: and I like that one a lot. Oh, yeah, that's awesome.
26:32
Speaker 1: That is awesome, titch By saying that right, I could
26:38
Speaker 1: not find a pronunciation for her name, unfortunately, so somebody
26:44
Speaker 1: can correctus. I'm sure somebody will will hit me up
26:54
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I'm sorry. Go ahead, So Tish for all
27:00
Speaker 1: the point, for the point I'm going forward. Who is
27:03
Speaker 1: who are they? Well? Uh, as we were talking about polonization, metrorosities,
27:12
Speaker 1: desper kind of hard story. But as Tish was one
27:16
Speaker 1: of the last batte or two spirit leaders, and I
27:21
Speaker 1: think when I was talking to you, I mentioned transgender,
27:25
Speaker 1: but to spirit isn't directly correlated to transgender. It's the
27:29
Speaker 1: closest English term that we have for it, but that's
27:32
Speaker 1: not exactly what it was. In Almost all Native cultures
27:38
Speaker 1: had to spirit people. But you weren't just a different
27:42
Speaker 1: gender than the one you were assigned at birth. I
27:46
Speaker 1: say that because that's the term most accepted right now,
27:50
Speaker 1: but often Tinans gender wasn't really design in Native communities.
27:56
Speaker 1: But you are something more if you were to spirit
28:01
Speaker 1: mm hmm, it's uh. It was really a third gender,
28:05
Speaker 1: was beyond the gender binary. And they were also given
28:10
Speaker 1: positions of leadership, and we're highly respected members of their communities.
28:15
Speaker 1: Tish was the head of the Botte, the two spirit
28:20
Speaker 1: leaders in her time. So we mentioned the Battle of
28:25
Speaker 1: the road side with Buffalo cast road Woman. She actually
28:30
Speaker 1: fought on the side. Yeah, So that bottle was between
28:38
Speaker 1: the Cheyenne and Lakotas due on one side with Crazy
28:42
Speaker 1: Horse and Buffalo cast road Woman, and on the other
28:45
Speaker 1: side was the crow Into Shawne people. So it was
28:50
Speaker 1: a little a little weird to kind of read the
28:54
Speaker 1: different perspectives in telling their stories, because on the one hand,
28:58
Speaker 1: you have all this bravery from the full cast road
29:00
Speaker 1: Woman in celebrating her for being able to turn the
29:03
Speaker 1: battle around, and then when you're talking about Ostreet, they
29:06
Speaker 1: talked about her prowess and bravery even though they lost.
29:12
Speaker 1: So it's very interesting and as usual, it'sbout land. And
29:22
Speaker 1: there was a graphic I saw the other day about
29:25
Speaker 1: how just from seventeen seventy six you can see the
29:31
Speaker 1: number of Native Americans and where they were allowed to
29:34
Speaker 1: be just dwindle across the state. And it forced not
29:40
Speaker 1: only needed people to fight against the colonizers but also
29:44
Speaker 1: against each other because their lands are being taken away.
29:50
Speaker 1: But again they actish, and the crow and showny lost
29:57
Speaker 1: and eventually the crew were confined to a reservation. Unfortunately,
30:02
Speaker 1: at the time there were a lot of missionaries and
30:04
Speaker 1: government agents that kind of ran the reservations. That's not
30:08
Speaker 1: so much the case anymore now sovereign nations have their
30:13
Speaker 1: own government, which is another story at the time, but
30:21
Speaker 1: people did not accept two spirit people. It is outside
30:27
Speaker 1: their sensibilities. The nicest way I just stay it. Yeah,
30:33
Speaker 1: So just like in the boarding schools, in the residential schools,
30:39
Speaker 1: hair was cut off. Two spirit people were forced to
30:42
Speaker 1: wear men's clothes and do quote unquote men's work. And
30:46
Speaker 1: in the face of that, Astos wore or neat dresses
30:50
Speaker 1: with pride and when afric kind of work she did,
30:53
Speaker 1: she always did, she did women's work. She was one
30:57
Speaker 1: of the last two spirit people across all native cultures
31:01
Speaker 1: two be alive. It was effectively wiped out for the
31:07
Speaker 1: most part, between boarding schools and residential schools and just
31:13
Speaker 1: people dying off. And unfortunately a lot of two spirit
31:16
Speaker 1: people walked on before their turing. I think cans maders.
31:23
Speaker 1: It's it's really hard to talk about these kinds of
31:26
Speaker 1: situations because it's easy to get really emotional and go off,
31:32
Speaker 1: but that's what you know, it's not gonna bring anyone
31:34
Speaker 1: back to life, and it's it's just really tough to
31:38
Speaker 1: read about these situations. You just have all this anger
31:42
Speaker 1: that has nowhere to go on. I mean, obviously you're
31:47
Speaker 1: somewhere to go here, because it's true. It is infuriating
31:51
Speaker 1: to see that as a culture, what that was accepted
31:55
Speaker 1: then was taken away from them because of a bigotry
31:58
Speaker 1: idea of what is normal, which of course again we're
32:02
Speaker 1: having to come back to and have conversations about, and
32:04
Speaker 1: we're nowhere near progressing, especially when it comes to um
32:08
Speaker 1: as you say, the too gendered as transgender as we
32:10
Speaker 1: know it, or that's the best way we can um say,
32:13
Speaker 1: identify with it. I guess that is still such a
32:16
Speaker 1: fight to understand bigger than the scope of gender and
32:21
Speaker 1: being gendered in general. Yeah, And the really hard thing
32:28
Speaker 1: is that even though there are a lot of moves
32:30
Speaker 1: to revitalize cultural practices, a lot of the information is
32:35
Speaker 1: a lot the boy passed down, the two spirit leaders
32:40
Speaker 1: passed down a lot of information amongst themselves. And if
32:45
Speaker 1: they're all gone and nothing's written, what's they're for us
32:49
Speaker 1: to revitalize? Mm hmm. So we have people who are
32:55
Speaker 1: too spirit and those things that are kind of becoming
32:58
Speaker 1: more acceptable again. But what's missing is the medicine the
33:03
Speaker 1: leadership did, tradition that came along with it. So, like
33:09
Speaker 1: other things that Native people are trying to revitalize, we
33:14
Speaker 1: can only kind of look at things as a guide
33:16
Speaker 1: and then do what we can with it in our
33:20
Speaker 1: in the scope of our modern culture. So this is
33:25
Speaker 1: one of those lessons that we have to learn and
33:27
Speaker 1: look back and make sure that history doesn't repeat itself
33:32
Speaker 1: raising a culture or an idea or people's in general,
33:37
Speaker 1: which is infuriating and heartbreaking in all the same ways
33:40
Speaker 1: in different ways, I guess, says, but I did read.
33:46
Speaker 1: So we are reading that the Crow tribe did stand
33:48
Speaker 1: behind her um when she refused to conform to the
33:52
Speaker 1: European roles that they were trying to place on them. Oh,
33:56
Speaker 1: they absolutely before the supported her that she was a
34:03
Speaker 1: leader and they had already seen what she could do.
34:05
Speaker 1: She more than earned her position. Unfortunately, later in her
34:11
Speaker 1: life she faced some kickbacks when were talking about the
34:17
Speaker 1: the residential schools and boarding schools. They were there's really
34:22
Speaker 1: no nice way to say. They were horrific. People were
34:26
Speaker 1: brainwashed and tortured, and one of the things that they
34:31
Speaker 1: did effectively was take a whole generation of meat is
34:35
Speaker 1: people and make them feel inadequate or that their practices
34:42
Speaker 1: were outdated. And that's still something we're struggling with this day,
34:47
Speaker 1: because there's a generational gap between knowledge. So you have
34:52
Speaker 1: that the last generation to fight, and then the generations
34:56
Speaker 1: that lived and grew up through the boarding school system,
35:00
Speaker 1: and then our generation who's trying to revitalize the tradition.
35:07
Speaker 1: And so that a lot of people I've heard them
35:10
Speaker 1: talk about there trying to talk to their grandmothers about
35:13
Speaker 1: certain practices and they're very resident We don't do that anymore.
35:20
Speaker 1: Not all people who went to the residential schools and
35:22
Speaker 1: boy schools are like that. Right under that kind of
35:27
Speaker 1: psychological torture. I can't say anything about the people who
35:34
Speaker 1: kind of changed or assimilated, because that's just a survival skill.
35:39
Speaker 1: You have to if you're going to die or be tortured,
35:42
Speaker 1: you have to assimilate, right, And that's that is exactly
35:44
Speaker 1: what colonization was to bring this shame factor. If there's
35:47
Speaker 1: only one culture that is correct, and it is whatever
35:51
Speaker 1: the strongest or the most most forceful culture at that
35:54
Speaker 1: point in time, which is absolutely kind of this whole
35:57
Speaker 1: whitewashing of history for so many cultures in general, and
36:01
Speaker 1: I mean whitewashing, and it is it is a horrific
36:05
Speaker 1: thing that it brings on a shame factor for those
36:09
Speaker 1: who have a different take or different understanding and different
36:13
Speaker 1: culture on different background, which is, yeah, you're right, this
36:17
Speaker 1: is unfortunate, and it's it's it's interesting to take that here,
36:20
Speaker 1: that perspective from you about how your generation is coming
36:23
Speaker 1: in trying to relearn, but you are battling with the
36:27
Speaker 1: still shame factor from the past generations that they were
36:30
Speaker 1: taught or they were tortured, or they're forced on to them,
36:33
Speaker 1: which is yeah, I've never actually thought about that in
36:35
Speaker 1: the bigger picture, it's it's very it's something that you
36:39
Speaker 1: don't seem normally, especially if you're not connected to a
36:42
Speaker 1: native community. So some of my friends are in Nupia
36:48
Speaker 1: in Alaska and they have the traditional tin tattoo, and
36:54
Speaker 1: there are some women in the community who are older
36:56
Speaker 1: who see it as a bad thing because that's something
37:00
Speaker 1: they left behind. They evolved past that now, but more
37:05
Speaker 1: and more women are getting those traditional tattoos, and I
37:09
Speaker 1: think it's absolutely beautiful that they're able to because it
37:13
Speaker 1: really came from I think one book or one reported
37:18
Speaker 1: book about tattooing and how they did it and what
37:22
Speaker 1: the different clans and people have different patterns, and I
37:28
Speaker 1: guess that they're just kind of building it up from there, right,
37:34
Speaker 1: And what you're doing with bringing it forward and talking
37:37
Speaker 1: about the history is also very very important so we
37:40
Speaker 1: can see and recognize the tragedy that happens when you
37:43
Speaker 1: oppress a culture in the society and the history that
37:47
Speaker 1: is lost on that as well. A good job, Natalie,
37:52
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, honestly, I am absolutely not an
37:57
Speaker 1: expert in any of these cultures, in any of these
38:02
Speaker 1: specific types. They're not mine. And went on this list
38:07
Speaker 1: first of all, and second of all, I am nick
38:11
Speaker 1: even if I am significantly indigenous, but I had to
38:17
Speaker 1: I'm having to reconnect later in life anyway. And it's
38:22
Speaker 1: only because I have two people who grew up within
38:26
Speaker 1: the culture and made actual steps to educate myself that
38:30
Speaker 1: I can even speak on it right, right, But I
38:34
Speaker 1: think of what's and yes, there are definitely a lot
38:37
Speaker 1: of experts out there, but coming out and having conversations
38:41
Speaker 1: and and making sure people still know or at least
38:45
Speaker 1: understand the bigger history is phenomenal in itself. And also, yes,
38:49
Speaker 1: you definitely have a drive which is beautiful to make sure, honestly,
38:54
Speaker 1: if anyone this knowledge, this information is available to everyone, right,
39:00
Speaker 1: which should be we should have more stuff on this.
39:03
Speaker 1: Moving on to the next person, And I'm not sure
39:05
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to say this name. I'm pretty
39:10
Speaker 1: sure again I am Idea. But she is are you?
39:15
Speaker 1: Are you? But she was an advocate for the people
39:18
Speaker 1: and also an author. She was one of the first,
39:21
Speaker 1: well I think she was the first published Native American woman,
39:25
Speaker 1: and she published a book called Life among the Pies,
39:29
Speaker 1: Their Wrongs and Claims in next eighteen eighty three. She
39:37
Speaker 1: witnessed a lot of atrocities and violence against the people
39:40
Speaker 1: and always spoke out against her treatment. And when I
39:44
Speaker 1: say she spoke out, she gave us over three hundred
39:47
Speaker 1: speeches on the true the maltreatment of Native people. She
39:56
Speaker 1: lived through the Banic War of eighteen seventy eight and
40:01
Speaker 1: rescued a group of page people, including her father, and
40:06
Speaker 1: continue to speak out even after she and a group
40:09
Speaker 1: of pay were forcibly located to the Yakima Reservation until
40:14
Speaker 1: her death took me. Tona fought for land rights and
40:17
Speaker 1: human rights of Native people. It might not be a
40:21
Speaker 1: surprise too for people, as she came from a line
40:25
Speaker 1: of leaders as a daughter of the chief and the
40:27
Speaker 1: granddaughter of Chi's truck Ee. Unfortunately, there's not too too
40:33
Speaker 1: much information I could find on her beyond that, but
40:37
Speaker 1: we still have her writings. Her book is still available,
40:41
Speaker 1: so that's us. And for sure I know that the
40:46
Speaker 1: Plight people talk about her a lot in there in Nevada.
40:53
Speaker 1: Three speeches. It's impressive, it's impressive speaking you're like it
41:00
Speaker 1: as an Indigenous female. What that takes a lot of courage.
41:08
Speaker 1: Here's so wanted to speak out in our community. It
41:13
Speaker 1: is not an abnormal thing. But when you're facing culture
41:19
Speaker 1: that is kind of the opposite, especially in the eighteen hundreds.
41:27
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was very odd to look at probbing
41:30
Speaker 1: all this freedom and respect is a Native woman and
41:34
Speaker 1: then seeing the culture that you were trying to be
41:36
Speaker 1: forced into. Yeah, m hm, I can only imagine. I
41:42
Speaker 1: want to beat her book. Yeah, really need to find
41:44
Speaker 1: that book next moment. But yeah, or less that, we
41:51
Speaker 1: haven't started. I have a list you have, I know
41:54
Speaker 1: you have, I know you have. And then we wanted
41:57
Speaker 1: to talk about Madonna thunder Hawk. There's one before that,
42:02
Speaker 1: which is okay, I'm really excited. Is it to Losta
42:08
Speaker 1: or Red Good was a young named town Youngstown, Dakotas too,
42:15
Speaker 1: and she's another writer, but she's also a musician and activists.
42:20
Speaker 1: Her books were written among the first to spread traditional
42:24
Speaker 1: Native stories and she wrote. She even wrote part of
42:28
Speaker 1: the first Native American opera, called the Sun Dance Opera
42:32
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen. While her writings of her experiences with
42:36
Speaker 1: boarding school applying fan stories are probably enough to make
42:39
Speaker 1: her historical figure National and the National Council for American
42:46
Speaker 1: Indians and nineteen twenty six, and this enabled her to
42:50
Speaker 1: lobby for Native rights to the United States Citizenship and
42:56
Speaker 1: civil Rights. She served as president until her death. In
43:03
Speaker 1: so we have another strong woman in leadership, not just
43:09
Speaker 1: in the tribe but outside of it. Is well, so
43:13
Speaker 1: that there's another another I don't know the operas are
43:18
Speaker 1: put into a book, but I'm sure she wrote another
43:20
Speaker 1: books that you can add your boys. I think she
43:25
Speaker 1: she was pretty prolific um as she wrote and uh
43:31
Speaker 1: from recording for what I found the Atlantic Monthly and
43:33
Speaker 1: Harper's Monthly. Um so, yeah, that's I think some of
43:39
Speaker 1: her works are out there. People should definitely go check
43:42
Speaker 1: them out. Yeah. The College Hall is also just a
43:47
Speaker 1: beautiful horror and she is another image of Indigenous Native
43:55
Speaker 1: strength and perseverance. I don't know. I want, like you know,
44:01
Speaker 1: as a kid, you have all those posts of bands
44:03
Speaker 1: and stuff on your walls, right, I kind of want
44:06
Speaker 1: to saw these women on my be awesome. I can
44:10
Speaker 1: put it on your phone now as a motivation. Now
44:12
Speaker 1: there you go, not on not on the walls anymore,
44:14
Speaker 1: is on your phone because you open it up. My
44:17
Speaker 1: room is still covered in posters. I don't know what
44:18
Speaker 1: you're saying. Your house is covered in posters? Never mind,
44:23
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't graduated from I do too. I
44:30
Speaker 1: do too. You put on the ceiling too, so you
44:34
Speaker 1: wake up in the is all these amazing women. Yeah,
44:38
Speaker 1: that'd be better than what I have. But I still
44:41
Speaker 1: do in your ceiling, that guy, I mean, eventually you
44:46
Speaker 1: just ran into space and you have to put stuff
44:49
Speaker 1: on the feelings. Never I've never been there, but okay,
44:53
Speaker 1: that's my entire life. But I like this idea much better.
44:57
Speaker 1: Is more than like Harry Potter and Star Wars, perhaps
45:02
Speaker 1: more motive nor realistic. You are. Actually, this is probably
45:12
Speaker 1: better than what she's got. So keep geping another ideas.
45:16
Speaker 1: It would be more work appropriate. At least I could
45:18
Speaker 1: be like, well, these are the people to better myself
45:21
Speaker 1: by looking at these motivational warriors. Yeah, oh my goodness. Alright, next,
45:28
Speaker 1: well we can get over more ideas. Now we're down
45:31
Speaker 1: to Yes, Madonna Thunderhawk, all right, tell us about her.
45:37
Speaker 1: She's the last first normalist and of every monmalist, she's
45:39
Speaker 1: actually still alive. I said that ignored that part. Being
45:51
Speaker 1: alive would be alive as congratulations, not that being dead
45:54
Speaker 1: as that, you know whatever, through a lot of crazy things.
46:03
Speaker 1: So she is Cheyenne River, Sue and some Sausta coat
46:09
Speaker 1: and she's still in South Dakota, so she's not only alive,
46:14
Speaker 1: still alive that organized the protest against the Dakota Pipeline
46:18
Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen, and she was like wow,
46:23
Speaker 1: and she organized that. She's seventy eight and she doesn't
46:31
Speaker 1: look it by the pictures I've seen, and I have
46:33
Speaker 1: no doubt she's one thousand percent a woman to be
46:36
Speaker 1: reckoned with. When I read through everything she's seen and
46:41
Speaker 1: taken part in, I just cannot imagine what it's like
46:47
Speaker 1: to have lived through all these things and still have
46:52
Speaker 1: all the fire that she still what. She was part
46:58
Speaker 1: of the Red Power movement, which I didn't even know
47:02
Speaker 1: where the thing that makes sense it was the sixties
47:05
Speaker 1: and seventies. So Yu's black power. I just read power
47:09
Speaker 1: goes right along with it. Her first foray, as far
47:15
Speaker 1: as I could, Yeah, as far as I found was
47:18
Speaker 1: protesting during the nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy one
47:22
Speaker 1: occupation of Outfit Dras. I had to ever heard of this,
47:26
Speaker 1: but apparently there was a treaty between the government and
47:31
Speaker 1: the Dakota people that called the Treaty of Fort Laramie
47:36
Speaker 1: that said all retired, abandoned or out of used federal
47:39
Speaker 1: land which to be returned to the Lakota who wants
47:41
Speaker 1: to occupied it, and so they moved there from nineteen
47:46
Speaker 1: nine seventy one. And also not surprised that the protest
47:51
Speaker 1: wasn't successful. The United States is not really known for
47:56
Speaker 1: giving the land that It's blows my mind that she
48:01
Speaker 1: also went through this as well. Wounded me is I
48:07
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to call it soul crushing.
48:09
Speaker 1: It's one of those moments that a lot and if
48:14
Speaker 1: he's bread there in my heart, it wounded me, you
48:17
Speaker 1: might know why so bad. But I highly recommend everyone
48:21
Speaker 1: read it. I think it should be required reading in
48:24
Speaker 1: high school personally, but um, I don't know if our
48:29
Speaker 1: government in this current climate is ready for me to
48:31
Speaker 1: put that in school. Uh. But even after that, like
48:40
Speaker 1: I said, this woman has so much stamina and so
48:43
Speaker 1: much perseverance. I don't even I just can't. She served
48:49
Speaker 1: as a director of the Wounded Me Legal Defense Offense
48:54
Speaker 1: Commity in December of Right Team seventy five. She also
48:58
Speaker 1: founded the Warrior Woman's Projects and just kind of so
49:02
Speaker 1: many more organizations and movements to fight for news American people.
49:08
Speaker 1: And right, and she's still doing this work. That's awesome.
49:13
Speaker 1: I mean another another person to look to, to to respected,
49:19
Speaker 1: to be inspired by. So I would cry at that
49:25
Speaker 1: de mean her the ultimate goal to meet her. Yeah,
49:30
Speaker 1: obviously she's still because the pipeline issue hasn't been resolved
49:34
Speaker 1: other than no one's acknowledging it. To my knowledge, I
49:38
Speaker 1: think that the code of pipeline is active, but we
49:43
Speaker 1: don't know that. There have been like oil spills and
49:47
Speaker 1: all sorts of problems the pipeline is going through Native
49:52
Speaker 1: land are legal, may violate several treaties, but to fight
49:57
Speaker 1: and over things Native voices have not had the impact
50:00
Speaker 1: that they should have had, not right their own fault,
50:04
Speaker 1: but by our government and the news medium how things
50:11
Speaker 1: are covered with a lot of mothering and not a
50:15
Speaker 1: lot of compassions towards news people right as um Um
50:19
Speaker 1: was looking like. I know some of the Democrats who
50:22
Speaker 1: are running for president have used it as a platform,
50:25
Speaker 1: not not their platform, as a promise to shut it
50:28
Speaker 1: down or to reverse some of it. So it's still
50:30
Speaker 1: a big issue, but not big enough that they're talking
50:32
Speaker 1: about it on debates right now, which is sad and
50:35
Speaker 1: obviously really really um, I don't know what else other
50:41
Speaker 1: than yeah, it's just about right. It's not as important
50:43
Speaker 1: to some people, um as it should be, as it
50:46
Speaker 1: should be about the lines that are affecting, but it's
50:48
Speaker 1: absolutely something that's still having to be fought for. And
50:51
Speaker 1: obviously we know, as you just said, she's been fighting
50:55
Speaker 1: for um Kinomet has continued to be a big voice
51:00
Speaker 1: and pushing that as a as a conversation that we
51:04
Speaker 1: need to have more of. Yeah, and she has seen
51:10
Speaker 1: some real, real bloodshed. Part of my the November project
51:15
Speaker 1: is talking about violent language that's still used in the
51:18
Speaker 1: media that inspires violence in real life. And her to
51:26
Speaker 1: see some of the most horrific moments in American history
51:32
Speaker 1: or modern whatever this period of American history is and
51:37
Speaker 1: still be fighting really is indicative of so much strength.
51:45
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's something really common when you hear
51:47
Speaker 1: these stories, especially need of women. They see these awful things,
51:53
Speaker 1: they see this genocide, and then in the face of genocide,
51:57
Speaker 1: women are standing up and be being out. And that's
52:02
Speaker 1: why it's so important to one read about your American history,
52:07
Speaker 1: take part in as much as you can to talk
52:12
Speaker 1: about some of those things, and actually listen when Americans
52:15
Speaker 1: talk about issues they are facing ones. It's just a lot, right.
52:24
Speaker 1: We do have a little bit more for you listeners,
52:25
Speaker 1: but first we have one more quick break forward from
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Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So you
52:45
Speaker 1: had mentioned earlier that there's obviously and we can all
52:48
Speaker 1: definitely research, but what would you point out someone that
52:51
Speaker 1: wants to learn more of the histories and the behind
52:53
Speaker 1: the scenes. Where would you point them? Is there something
52:56
Speaker 1: like reference books or it's that two old days referenced
52:59
Speaker 1: books resources? Thank you books. I'm not old, I'm not
53:07
Speaker 1: come out against books are used to encyclopedia from most
53:10
Speaker 1: of middle school. Okay, so I mean and when I
53:12
Speaker 1: say encyclopedia, I mean hard bound Britannica cyclopaediasms. So don't
53:19
Speaker 1: date me. But resources that you would point them to.
53:25
Speaker 1: Oh so I would recommend if you really want to
53:32
Speaker 1: know what Native history is like and why all of
53:37
Speaker 1: us are so passionate about it, I think diving in
53:43
Speaker 1: head first is the best way to do it because
53:49
Speaker 1: we are living this reality and is it shocking to you?
53:53
Speaker 1: Imagine what it's like for us to see all your
53:57
Speaker 1: reasure that are people have faced and it can see
54:00
Speaker 1: neewing now, so a good place to start to really
54:04
Speaker 1: get a handle on how much effort has been put
54:09
Speaker 1: into eliminating Native people bury in my heart, it wounded
54:14
Speaker 1: me is the books. That's probably the the best place
54:18
Speaker 1: to start there. There's a narrative that I've heard of
54:25
Speaker 1: Native American spot against each other. So it's not a
54:28
Speaker 1: big deal that the United States also the colonial people
54:33
Speaker 1: also bought them. But it is completely different. We're talking
54:37
Speaker 1: about the make genocide as opposed to what kind of
54:46
Speaker 1: amounts to land suffle. And I will warn you that
54:54
Speaker 1: there are some things in the Wounded there my brother Wondanida,
54:57
Speaker 1: are graphic, but it's absolutely necessary to hear those things.
55:04
Speaker 1: And usually again history like this, atrocities like this, and again,
55:09
Speaker 1: as you said, genocide, it's going to be graphics. So
55:12
Speaker 1: to expect less would be you look at a really
55:14
Speaker 1: unrealistic version of history. Right. It would be like learning
55:19
Speaker 1: about the Holocaust without learning about anything that has to
55:23
Speaker 1: get concentration camp, right, which is absurd in itself. Well,
55:28
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Natalie. I'm so glad that we
55:31
Speaker 1: got to connect and that you were able to speak
55:35
Speaker 1: with us. Is there anything else that you want to
55:37
Speaker 1: add or you want to voice about what we're talking about.
55:41
Speaker 1: I okay, one thing, I I kind of challenge my
55:48
Speaker 1: listeners to do this. If you are not connected to
55:52
Speaker 1: a needive community or any funds who are needed, I
55:55
Speaker 1: encourage you too. On Instagram, watch Twitter, follow by indigenous
56:01
Speaker 1: people and just as you're looking to your feet and
56:06
Speaker 1: as you're learning and hearing from these people, I guarantee
56:10
Speaker 1: you it won't take very long for you to realize
56:13
Speaker 1: that there are some things going on you might not
56:16
Speaker 1: be aware of. And I think that's kind of applies
56:19
Speaker 1: to all ethnic groups. It's a good idea to know
56:22
Speaker 1: what's happening and be aware and get out of our
56:24
Speaker 1: little bubbles. But it's very important, I think to make
56:29
Speaker 1: sure you are paying attention to Native voices, especially being
56:36
Speaker 1: on the land of people who are still here. Now,
56:39
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I love that. That's a great challenge and
56:42
Speaker 1: I think absolutely I would voice that and agree with
56:44
Speaker 1: you that is to start to start with and do that.
56:50
Speaker 1: Um And now where can we find you on the interwebs.
56:54
Speaker 1: You can find me on all social media platforms at
56:58
Speaker 1: some kind of Brown. My podcast Some Kind of Brown
57:02
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57:06
Speaker 1: any teenager website for a teenager because it still has
57:10
Speaker 1: a dot WordPress dot com, so it's some kind of
57:15
Speaker 1: brown and it has all the episodes that I have
57:20
Speaker 1: I've had so far, and you can find out more
57:23
Speaker 1: about mid November or any of the guests or episodes
57:26
Speaker 1: that I've had on there too. Amazing. Thank you again, Um,
57:31
Speaker 1: you are awesome and I'm sure we're going to keep
57:34
Speaker 1: in connection. Yes, we wanted you to know we support
57:37
Speaker 1: everything you're doing and we want to make sure that, um,
57:41
Speaker 1: you know that we over here at sementthe love what
57:44
Speaker 1: you're doing and are great grateful that you're doing it. Yes,
57:47
Speaker 1: thank you so much. How do you want to say
57:50
Speaker 1: my girlfriend is a big fan of your podcast? Yeah, hello, hello, Yeah,
58:00
Speaker 1: I see a chance to move went and something that
58:06
Speaker 1: I think I really appreciate what your higast is just
58:09
Speaker 1: about being a woman without necessarily putting a limit on
58:16
Speaker 1: what that means. And I think that's really company for
58:21
Speaker 1: people who are transgender women to just have this place
58:26
Speaker 1: where they can talk about femininity and being a woman
58:30
Speaker 1: in at the same time being included in the narrative.
58:34
Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of this another delightful
58:38
Speaker 1: interview with UM all of your listeners. I'm always so
58:41
Speaker 1: impressed and inspired in awe the things that you all
58:45
Speaker 1: are doing. So keep keep letting us know what you're
58:49
Speaker 1: up to. We love hearing about it. Um. And, as
58:51
Speaker 1: Natalie said, probably everybody on this list we could have
58:55
Speaker 1: talked about a whole episode, right, It's not, as she
58:59
Speaker 1: had said before, even though I was like, oh, yeah,
59:01
Speaker 1: it's a big list, it really isn't. And it's probably
59:03
Speaker 1: an endless list of people that we could talk about
59:07
Speaker 1: who identified as female or non binary that needs to
59:10
Speaker 1: be recognized, that we need to be talking about, and
59:12
Speaker 1: that their history does need to be preserved and the
59:15
Speaker 1: things that they have done for their community as well
59:18
Speaker 1: as for their culture. And I think I'm very sad
59:22
Speaker 1: that we couldn't get we don't have all the information
59:26
Speaker 1: that we absolutely should and uh that that this is
59:29
Speaker 1: the first time I've heard of probably about four of
59:32
Speaker 1: those women, some I've ever talked about that and that
59:35
Speaker 1: makes me really sad. Yeah, UM, And Natalie's says she
59:40
Speaker 1: had an entire spreadsheet of women and she had to choose. Like,
59:43
Speaker 1: I appreciate the difficulty of that, Natalie, as you as
59:46
Speaker 1: you're if you're listening to this now, UM, I've been
59:48
Speaker 1: in that situation. Not similar, but be like, pick of
59:51
Speaker 1: all of these amazing women, picked the three bests, and
59:54
Speaker 1: you're like, A, here's this movies and other things right now?
59:59
Speaker 1: Is all I can think of this? Movi vies because
1:00:00
Speaker 1: we've been talking about movies. Yes, yes, but I also
1:00:04
Speaker 1: have more important items in my brains sometimes. Um, but yeah, yeah,
1:00:09
Speaker 1: I would love to hear about every single woman on
1:00:11
Speaker 1: that spreadsheet. So we'll see if we should just gotten
1:00:13
Speaker 1: that so we can publish it. Oh, you can ask Satalie.
1:00:16
Speaker 1: Maybe she doesn't want to share your secrets. I don't know.
1:00:18
Speaker 1: I'm putting that on my show. If not, you should
1:00:20
Speaker 1: definitely go listen to her show. You should absolutely do
1:00:22
Speaker 1: that because, um, as you said, we all need to
1:00:27
Speaker 1: know these stories and they're so valuable um and inspiring
1:00:31
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