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Ross Fulton Analysis: Ohio State's Offense Vs. Notre Dame In 2023 · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: The National Championship game is going to mark the third
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  Speaker 1: straight season that Ohio State and Notre Dame have met.
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  Speaker 1: Buckeyes won in twenty twenty two in Ohio Stadium, then
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  Speaker 1: they won in twenty twenty three at Notre Dame dramatic
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  Speaker 1: final minute touchdown. You certainly remember that, and you may
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  Speaker 1: also remember this. This is the Ross Fulton schematic breakdown
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  Speaker 1: of the Ohio State offense. How the Buckeyes ended up
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  Speaker 1: winning that game, how Notre Dame did a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: job limiting the Buckeyes for a long stretch of that game.
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  Speaker 1: Thought there was probably a lot of overlap between that
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  Speaker 1: and what you might see on the field on Monday
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. So here's a look back at the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three Ohio State offensive breakdown against Notre Dame with
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  Speaker 1: Ross Fulton. We got to do it. I'm sorry, friends,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about Ohio State's short yardage offense. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they scored a short yardage touchdown on the last play
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  Speaker 1: of the game. That was a pretty big one. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be talking about some of the other plays because
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  Speaker 1: that one feels like it's gotten broken down to a
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  Speaker 1: whole crazy We're gonna talking about some of the other
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  Speaker 1: short yardage plays for the Ohio State offense. Figure out
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  Speaker 1: what worked, what didn't work, what does it all mean
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  Speaker 1: moving forward? And we're gonna be doing that with our
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  Speaker 1: buddy Bucket Hudles Exes and nose Guru Rouss Fulton Ross.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with a let's start with some good news.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna sort of ease people into this one.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna start in the second quarter, and it's second
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  Speaker 1: and one, and this is one where the Buckeyes made
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  Speaker 1: it look easy, no problem. Of course, you can pick
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  Speaker 1: up yard when you want to pick up a yard.
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  Speaker 1: Who can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I was saying earlier this week that, like, I'm starting
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  Speaker 2: to get frustrated on how to state that I have
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  Speaker 2: to think so much about shortyardage because I don't like
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  Speaker 2: thinking about shortyardage. It's not fun, you know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: It's not as entertaining to think about a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: bodies near the line of scrimmage. But all right, so
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  Speaker 2: I figured we should take one right that it worked positively.
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  Speaker 2: So you said earlier in the game, second quarter it
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  Speaker 2: is second and one, not third one, So that does
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  Speaker 2: introduce probably a more of a pass element. And obviously,
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  Speaker 2: like where Ohio State is on the their own forty,
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  Speaker 2: there's obviously a vertical pass th right. But you know
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  Speaker 2: that didn't that applied later in the game too, So
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  Speaker 2: you know, Notre Dame, Ohio State here is in formation
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  Speaker 2: into the boundary. They've got trips to the short side.
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell from the snap they've single high. They're
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  Speaker 2: playing cover one, right, And so you had your best
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  Speaker 2: players on the field. You've got Marvin Harrison, You've got
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  Speaker 2: a Mecca Buka, and you know Ohio State just runds
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  Speaker 2: a simple just straight from the pistol inside zone play.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone blocks handle well six yard game right, So just
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  Speaker 2: like you would like to see it drawn up. And
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  Speaker 2: I do think though that this has some important notes
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  Speaker 2: that we'll talk about later, namely personnel that's on the
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  Speaker 2: field running within your offense, keeping the defense spread out
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  Speaker 2: both the length and the width of the field.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So now now we got the good news
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  Speaker 1: out of the way. Now we get to talk about
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  Speaker 1: everyone's favorite the bad news. Let's move on. Later in
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  Speaker 1: the second quarter, Buckeyes have a third and goal at
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  Speaker 1: the one. This is one ross where the personnel package
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  Speaker 1: here to me just doesn't make a whole heck of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sense because they take a Mecca Abuka,
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  Speaker 1: they take Marvin Harrison off the field. You're going to
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  Speaker 1: load it up. You're gonna put Caden Currey at fullback,
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have a couple tight ends, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have Luke Montgomery in there, and you are going to
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  Speaker 1: show them who is boss. And it doesn't work. And
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  Speaker 1: I guess my first question is if the defense is
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  Speaker 1: paying so much attention to Marvin Harrison and so much
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  Speaker 1: attention to a Mecca Abuka, wouldn't they pay more attention
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  Speaker 1: to them if they were on the field and potentially
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  Speaker 1: take bodies out of the box that you would then
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  Speaker 1: not have to block. Am I am I crazy? Am
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  Speaker 1: I off base? There? What's the thinking here?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: And you saw that at the end of the game
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  Speaker 2: where even putting inside the Notre Dame had ten players
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  Speaker 2: on the field, they still had too They did, in
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  Speaker 2: fact have their defensive backs spread out covering Parison and
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  Speaker 2: Abuka the goal line.
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  Speaker 3: And so I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when you look at this pre snap,
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  Speaker 2: you've got eleven bodies for Notre Dame basically inside the
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  Speaker 2: tackle box and amenable to no concern about the past.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I obviously we see on fourth down
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  Speaker 2: and we can get to that one how you can
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  Speaker 2: throw out of these these looks. But you know you're
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  Speaker 2: bringing in a defensive end as your full back, and
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  Speaker 2: you know Notre Dame is basically and then you're running.
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  Speaker 2: You're running wide zone here and as you see, like
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  Speaker 2: what Notre Dame does is they basically cover everyone up.
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  Speaker 3: They're essentially in like a heavy bear front.
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  Speaker 2: But so like you know, the point of zone blocking
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  Speaker 2: is to get double teams and instead of you're not
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  Speaker 2: accomplishing that here now because you have so many bodies
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  Speaker 2: in the middle, you're just leaving everyone in single blocks.
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  Speaker 2: And like, listen, if you're like justin Fry, you can
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  Speaker 2: be like and deservedly so like this is not a
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  Speaker 2: good block by Josh Briar, Like you're on the one
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  Speaker 2: yard line, you come up, come off high like that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to get blown back, which is what happens,
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  Speaker 2: and it destroys the play. So there's like one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent technical issues. If everyone executes well, this can work.
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  Speaker 2: But I just don't think it's putting your best foot
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  Speaker 2: forward to your point.
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  Speaker 3: Like heck, we even saw.
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  Speaker 2: A Notre Dame who is a much more run heavy
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  Speaker 2: team than o't have State, Like their second touchdown came
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  Speaker 2: and they are on the two yard line and they
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  Speaker 2: spread out and when empty with the four by one look.
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  Speaker 2: So there's no rule that just because you're on the
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  Speaker 2: two yard line you have to you know, get in
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  Speaker 2: these big heavy formations instead, like you can, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can mix it up even just to keep teams
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  Speaker 2: off balanced. And so if I was, you know, my
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  Speaker 2: biggest critique here is I actually we can pull it
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  Speaker 2: up here and talk about it. The fourth down play.
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  Speaker 2: I like the play call there. I just sort of
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  Speaker 2: liked to see, you know, third. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: a little too predictable that they're going to once you
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  Speaker 2: got stopped on third, that they are going to try
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  Speaker 2: to pass on fourth and once you're once the defense
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  Speaker 2: things you're going to pass again, like put your best
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  Speaker 2: wide receivers out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fourth down pass goes to h It was
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  Speaker 1: thrown four kides dover and then almost caught by g Scott,
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  Speaker 1: neither of whom are rather notably Marvin Harrison or Mechabuga.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, let's let's go through that play, because this
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  Speaker 1: is another one where we have a staff group text
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  Speaker 1: and it has been remarked upon more than once in
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  Speaker 1: this in previous weeks. Hey, they tend to run the
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  Speaker 1: ball on third and one and then when they don't
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  Speaker 1: make it, they throw the ball on fourth and one.
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  Speaker 1: And it feels like that's something if our staff has
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  Speaker 1: noticed that the paid professional football coaches who are playing
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  Speaker 1: them and self scout or scouting them for upcoming games
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  Speaker 1: have probably also picked up on that pattern as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, especially when you change out the personnel
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  Speaker 2: and you take out King Curry again putting a backup
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  Speaker 2: defensive as a fullback, you put ship train them back
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  Speaker 2: in a full back. And so I remember at the
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  Speaker 2: time watching the sinking, they're not going to literally do
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  Speaker 2: again what they did Fort Indiana, right and run it
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  Speaker 2: on third and then pass on fourth, like maybe they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna you know, rock paper scissors and run again and
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  Speaker 2: kind of full Notre Dame because they probably a Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame is expecting to pass here and again.
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  Speaker 3: Like I like the concept.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tight end throwback basically, so it's not the
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  Speaker 2: same route that use Indiana. The situation, he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: roll left and then throw it back to the right
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  Speaker 2: hand side. The problem is just like again the execution,
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  Speaker 2: like Stover gets knocked off his route and so that
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  Speaker 2: he and g Scott are are way too close to
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  Speaker 2: each other. Like gec got supposed to go to the
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  Speaker 2: back pylon. It's silver supposed to stay along the line
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  Speaker 2: of scrimmage, and like even if the ball doesn't get tipped,
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  Speaker 2: or I should say if the ball doesn't get tipped,
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  Speaker 2: I still think Stover might be able to get a
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  Speaker 2: touchdown here. Again, I just think it's more a situational thing,
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  Speaker 2: Like I think it was too obvious that they were
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  Speaker 2: that a pass was likely here to make the heavy
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  Speaker 2: play action throwback like the option like third down, I
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  Speaker 2: think it could.
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  Speaker 3: I think it would have worked all right.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're going to fast forward to the fourth
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  Speaker 1: quarter of the game. This is not the last drive
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  Speaker 1: of the game. This is a next to last drive
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  Speaker 1: of the game, and this is to play right before this.
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  Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson has looks like he might be on his
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  Speaker 1: way to a touchdown, and a Notre Dame defender just
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  Speaker 1: barely gets just enough of his cleats that he sort
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  Speaker 1: of stumbles and falls just short of the first down marker.
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  Speaker 1: Could have been a first down, could have been a touchdown. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: it's third and one ross take it away.
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  Speaker 2: So and I will say, like to go back to
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  Speaker 2: that second down run and to give them credit or
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  Speaker 2: get into some of the failures. Like they did do
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  Speaker 2: a nice job in this game with the run game
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  Speaker 2: diversity overall, like you saw them continuing to try the
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  Speaker 2: run game wasn't always successful. I don't think it was
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  Speaker 2: like they weren't getting stuffed a lot. They just weren't
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  Speaker 2: getting beyond three to four yards a lot of times.
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  Speaker 2: But like you saw a variety of schemes right, Like
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  Speaker 2: Trevon Henderson's big run came off a guard tackle, counter
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  Speaker 2: tray pulling.
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  Speaker 3: He got outside before this on second down.
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  Speaker 2: Was a same side pin and pull, which uh you
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  Speaker 2: know for for astute listeners we discussed last year as
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  Speaker 2: they used a couple of times very successfully. So they
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  Speaker 2: you know, run to travon Henderson's side that he's lined
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  Speaker 2: up on, they pull the center and the tackle and
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  Speaker 2: get outside. So so they and again now even in
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  Speaker 2: short yardage, you see them trying different concepts right, Like
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  Speaker 2: this is a different look now, I personally think part
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  Speaker 2: of the problem here is it's.
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  Speaker 3: Too different of a look. Like when I saw this live,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is just too obvious, Like Travon Henderson is going to
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  Speaker 2: run inside wedge because why is he lined up? Why
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  Speaker 2: why is I say, under center and he's offset kind
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  Speaker 2: of looks like kind of jumped out of you. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: they want to sell the concept of what they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do in fourth down that like they were moving
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  Speaker 2: Henderson over so that he can serve better as a
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  Speaker 2: lead blocker for a Mecca booted on the suite. So
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  Speaker 2: they run they run a wedge here, which we talked
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  Speaker 2: about wedge I mentioned it last week and wedge is
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  Speaker 2: also what they use on the chip train of chat.
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  Speaker 2: So like the difference is like with inside zone, Like
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  Speaker 2: the backside, yes, looks like it's blocking down, but the
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  Speaker 2: front side they're all stepping the same direction. So like
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  Speaker 2: if you were running inside zone left here with Henderson,
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  Speaker 2: everyone stepped to the left. With wedge, you literally have
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  Speaker 2: both sides of the offensive line stepping to their inside here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, for those watching literally creating a wedge. The
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  Speaker 2: problem again is now you have three you know, I
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  Speaker 2: have three guys to the center line, and so with
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  Speaker 2: a wedge, you're not sealing off the ideas. And so
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  Speaker 2: you know don Jimpotez from Ohio State Fame comes straight
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  Speaker 2: off the edge height and he's able to make the tackle.
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  Speaker 2: I think this again gets to our personal issue, Like
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  Speaker 2: I think, I think Travon Henderson has a lot of
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  Speaker 2: strengths he showed, Like I think I've as you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been critical at times of him and his vision.
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  Speaker 3: I think, but you also see his strengths right he
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  Speaker 3: is he is.
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  Speaker 2: A home run threat, like he can create explosive plays
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  Speaker 2: when you get him on the edge or to the
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  Speaker 2: second level. I do not think his strength is running
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  Speaker 2: for a yard in short yardage. I think to their credit,
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  Speaker 2: they put two and two together on that same front,
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  Speaker 2: like they put chip train them in the game on
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  Speaker 2: that last touchdown, And I just think that like short yardage,
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  Speaker 2: it should be chip train them in these situations because
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  Speaker 2: I do think just the difference in size and like
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  Speaker 2: body type he could probably carry like a defensive end
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  Speaker 2: is coming off unblocked off the edge. I mean that's
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  Speaker 2: essentially what happened on the wedge play as well, and
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  Speaker 2: he was able to carry him for that extra half yard.
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  Speaker 2: So again like in some ways they are searching in
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  Speaker 2: short yardage, Like it's not like they're trying the same things,
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  Speaker 2: you know, any of them. Like the one time they
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  Speaker 2: really ran the base offense was that second and one
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  Speaker 2: we showed at the beginning where it's just like pistol
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  Speaker 2: insides down. In some ways, though, I think this is
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  Speaker 2: like getting too cute right with like the offset, Like
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to wedge, I'd like to see them
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  Speaker 2: like they did the week before, like in the gun
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  Speaker 2: and like kl McCord like physically reaches up towards the
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  Speaker 2: line and gives it to the to the running back
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  Speaker 2: like half a yard behind the line of scrimmage because
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  Speaker 2: it just makes it harder to come off the edge.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the other thing I'd like to see
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  Speaker 2: is as a quarterback, he can these situations. I kept
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  Speaker 2: waiting for it to happen on Saturday night and it
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  Speaker 2: just did not. And like you don't want to sneak
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  Speaker 2: at the quarterback, you can do it like every NFL
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  Speaker 2: team is doing right now, which is like put the
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  Speaker 2: quarterback in the shotgun and he looks around like he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know what's going on, and then the tight end
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  Speaker 2: comes in motion and takes a snap and sneaks. So
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  Speaker 2: there are there are ways to avoid if you don't
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  Speaker 2: want your quarterback getting hit or you don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: very good at it and getting in a bigger body there.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's making it hard, harder than it
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  Speaker 2: needs to be at times.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that, because it
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  Speaker 1: did feel like they were several very obvious quarterback sneak situations.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something that is some quarterbacks aren't good at it,
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  Speaker 1: is that maybe they're concerned about running that directly behind
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  Speaker 1: a red shirt freshman like Carson Heinzman, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's not going to get enough push. It just
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  Speaker 1: it felt like, you know, there was a rather famous
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  Speaker 1: game about eighteen years ago in that very same stadium
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  Speaker 1: where a quarterback sneak with a little help from the
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  Speaker 1: running back behind him ended up winning the game. It
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  Speaker 1: felt like that was sort of sitting right there and
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  Speaker 1: they never took it. And I'm assuming there is some
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  Speaker 1: reason why.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't seen Calm McCord do it, so
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  Speaker 2: I guess they made know better than me. I don't
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  Speaker 2: get why. I mean, yes, some quarterbacks run it better
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  Speaker 2: than others. I mean we saw Sam Hartman on Saturday
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  Speaker 2: fail running it. You know, he went for the trill
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  Speaker 2: pryor move of trying to pop it outside, which generally
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work. And we see why. Like, but Kal McCord
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  Speaker 2: is like a big guy, like he should be able
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  Speaker 2: to burrow in their craftit yard. I mean he's not
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, who like can run it every time when
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  Speaker 2: everyone knows it's coming and ver it every time for
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles. But with him and like the ability again
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  Speaker 2: to have like a chip training back there to push
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  Speaker 2: him from behind. Like I just I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a better answer for why they're not doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's a mistake, especially if you need
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  Speaker 2: half yard, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, well they needed they needed not just half a yard,
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  Speaker 1: but a full yard. On fourth and one. This is
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  Speaker 1: the play after the wedge play we just talked about
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  Speaker 1: a minute ago, and they give it to a Mecca
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  Speaker 1: Abuka on like a jet sweep motion, like a jet motion.
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  Speaker 1: And Ryan Day said after the game that they had
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  Speaker 1: the look they wanted for this, And then when I
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  Speaker 1: went back and watched it seems like Notre Dame's got
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  Speaker 1: several defenders on the edge there where they're running that
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  Speaker 1: directly into the boundary. What do you know what the
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  Speaker 1: look they were looking for that they felt like they
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  Speaker 1: had was because I looked at that and I thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this looks like a play that's not going to work
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  Speaker 1: even before they snap it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I get what he's saying, right, So they
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  Speaker 2: have they have three blockers, so you're basically they leave
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  Speaker 2: the way they run this, They're going to leave the
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  Speaker 2: defensive end of that side, like he's not going to
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  Speaker 2: run down the jet sweep. So you got three blockers
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  Speaker 2: for your three defenders, you two tight ends, and.
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  Speaker 3: Then your tackle is going to release.
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  Speaker 2: And the look they got is that the Notre Dames
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  Speaker 2: and Cover one are man covered.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So when you watch a Mecha Buka at the snap
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  Speaker 2: run the fly sweep, he is being trailed by the corner.
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  Speaker 3: So Notre Dame is down a.
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  Speaker 2: Bot and that guy's trailing he should not be able
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  Speaker 2: to make play again, Like I will say, like again,
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  Speaker 2: like do you watch the NFL right now? If you
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  Speaker 2: watch other football, like there's lots of using this kind
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  Speaker 2: of jet sweep and short guarded situation, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: like a tolly crazy idea. I think my biggest problem
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: with this play well, first is like your personnel, Like
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I've seen their tight ends struggle blocking these kind of
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: plays too many times now, you know, they just they
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: seem to struggle in space doing this and they don't
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: get any sort of movement whatsoever. I think my bigger
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: issue though, is that I don't I don't like running
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: it the short side of the field. Like I will
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: defend running of the short side of the field a lot,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: as we talked about, but in this situation, like when
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: you're moving laterally like this, like you just need more
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: room for him to find a lane to cut up.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Like in theory he could have cut probably between Prior
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: and Kate Silver, like Friar's got his his butt turn
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: and like there's a little bit of a hole there.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: But that's just hard in that short area of the
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: field to be able to turn it up like that.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: So again I'm not opposed to the concept.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I just think that I'm not sure about running it
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: short side. The other thing that about this play that's
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: you know, people have brought up to me on Buckey
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: huddle and discuss is if you looked at the top
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of the screen, Marvin Harrison has like a I'm looking
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: now like an eight yard pushit, let's say, from a
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: quarter with no help whatsoever. So I think there is
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: a question of you know, it's a young quarterback, how
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: much how much discretion.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Do you want to give him.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I just wonder whether they should build in for leaves,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: so like if he sees that he should just be
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: able to throw.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't even need to throw a slant.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: You could just like literally throw to him on that spot,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: then he should be able to get a yard. So
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: or you can just or you can call a slant
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: and it's probably a touchdown. And so I again, I'm like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: this goes back to your original point, which is I like,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: you know, you have to me like three really explosive playmakers,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: and Harrison and Buca and Henderson and so you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I think you want to feature them, and they're all
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: very good in space, and so I just don't I
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: think obviously they're trying to use a Buca here and
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: get on the edge, and so I don't fully fold
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: them for that. But I just think with Harrison in particular,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: like again, like we actually talked about this with Michigan
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: in a different context, but like last year, if teams
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: want to leave him single it up like that and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: kind of like they're basically not paying attention to him
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: because they know the ball is not going that way.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Like I think you should have automatical or leaves to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: punish them, like whether it's a quick slant a quick hitch,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: like depending on the leverage of the quarterback.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: All right, so now we've gotten the we've gotten the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: vegetables out of the way. Let's have a little dessert. Hey,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Ohio State won this game. Despite all the negative stuff
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, they still did win the game. It
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: looked a little implausible at times, even rewatching. You'll hear
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the buckye Weekly episode on Wednesday, Tony Gurdaman and I
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: rewatched the game or I'd be talking about that, and boy,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, there were times when I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: was like, how did they win this game? I was there,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I saw it, and I still don't understand how it happened,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: but it happened. Ten men from Notre Dame were involved,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Chip Random was involved, walk us through the walkoff almost
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: walk off touchdown.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I mean there were good things like right,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: like we can talk about this in subsequent shows, Like
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I had only had eight offensive possessions, they on seven
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: of them. They got in a Notre Dame territory. I mean,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: they moved the ball pretty consistently. They just they wasted
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: scoring opportunities. And obviously shortyardage is a big component of that. Again,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: so like I think here it's like you know you're
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: gonna have caveatit forever with the ten men twitch, But
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: like I do think it accomplishes some of the things
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: we discussed, which is like you have Harrison in a.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Book on the field, like the defense has to account
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You have Chip train them in as your shortyarded run,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: you know, like I will say, like you know, jumping
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: back like where they gave it to Mine Williams. I
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: just don't think like if you're not if Chip trams
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: your second running back and like mine Williams isn't really
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: getting carried at all, then I don't think like bringing
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: someone in totally old at the two yard lines like
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the time to do it. Like I don't doubt dispute
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that like mine Williams can serve a similar purpose. I
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: just think if you're gonna play chip train them anyways,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: like play someone who's a little bit more in the.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Flow of the game.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And again they so they you got single coverage and
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: they run a WEG again and which you know still
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: allows some penetration, right, Like, it's not like an easy tech.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Down even despite with them.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: But I do think like, at least like to me,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: are sort of some of the building blocks of what
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: they need to do, just personnel wise and not like
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: totally trying to change who they are. And you know, again,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I think in some ways you can run like irregular
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: offense downd there and if we used eleven personnel and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: run inside zone like we've shown.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: That second one. But it would be nice if they
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: figured out how to quarterbacks team well.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Well, well, we'll be keeping an eye on that and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: watching how the short yardage offense develops over the coming weeks.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: As Ohio state it gets at a little bit of
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a breather this weekend weekend off and then onto the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: terps next weekend. As Ross mentioned, we are going to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: be talking about a few other elements of this game
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: on an episode coming up a little later on this week,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: so you have that to look forward to. You also
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: have Ohio State football player interviews coming up on Wednesday.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: No Bryan Day this week, he's off on the road recruiting.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: No Jim Knowles for the same reason, but we will
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: talking to some of the players on Wednesday. We'll have
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a very special live episode of buck Eyes tomorrow morning.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon, that'll be the that's the plan anyway, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: then ross way back a little later on the week
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to talk about some of the other stuff. Oh boys,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of stuff to talk about from
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: this game. So thank you guys all for joining us.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.