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The Rita Panahi Show | 21 September · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: Starting right now, The Rita Panaghi Show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to The Rita Panaghi Show. Coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight, the Prime Minister and the international media stunned
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Speaker 2: by a question that left Anthony Albanese reeling. Dan Wild
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Speaker 2: will cover today's top headlines. We'll look at the AFL's
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Speaker 2: questionable relationship with the gambling industry. Seb Costello will be
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Speaker 2: here to discuss that and more. John Heinderaker will have
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Speaker 2: the latest from the US, where another ICE-related shooting has
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Speaker 2: heightened debate about deportations. And Charles Spencer's tell-all book causing
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Speaker 2: all sorts of headaches for the palace. Kinsey Schofield will
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Speaker 2: have all your royal news later in the hour. And
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Speaker 2: Lefty's Losing It features a cavalcade of stars.
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Speaker 3: Being performative, self-important idiots. I am Jamie Lee Curtis, Noah Wiley,
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Speaker 3: Robert De Niro, J.
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Speaker 4: Michael Ludig, Ramon Gerard Estevez, a.k.a. Martin Sheen, Dr.
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Speaker 5: Isaiah Ike Wilson III.
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Speaker 2: But first, Labor's primary vote has collapsed to a near
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Speaker 2: record low of 27% for the first time since 2012.
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Speaker 2: It's clear the smear campaigns against One Nation are not succeeding.
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Speaker 2: The latest news poll published today has One Nation on 30%,
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Speaker 2: three points ahead of Labor, the Coalition trailing well behind
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Speaker 2: on 19%, and the Greens remaining on 13%.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is significant.
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Speaker 2: Labor and the Coalition combined command only 46% of the
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Speaker 2: primary vote. That is a record low. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: has also taken another hit to his approval rating, with 62%
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Speaker 2: of voters dissatisfied with his performance. His net approval rating
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Speaker 2: of minus 27 is his worst since Labor came to
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Speaker 2: power in 2022 and matches the depths reached by former
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Speaker 2: PM Malcolm Turnbull back in 2017. That would be around
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Speaker 2: the time he was dumped as leader.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is.
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director at the Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild. Dan,
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Speaker 2: this is a shocking poll for Labor and it's a
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Speaker 2: shocking poll for the Coalition to And it just shows
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Speaker 2: you the smear campaigns against One Nation are not landing.
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Speaker 6: The One Nation vote is now largely locked in until
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Speaker 6: the next federal election. Obviously, there's enough Australians who just
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Speaker 6: think the political system isn't working and they've given their
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Speaker 6: adjudication that they're probably going to vote for somebody different.
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Speaker 7: As you indicated, they're two major parties.
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Speaker 6: Are on less than 50% of the primary vote at
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Speaker 6: a record low now. And it is incredible. And like
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Speaker 6: we've been talking about, this is sort of the new normal.
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Speaker 6: You know, I just think that the established parties and
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Speaker 6: politicians need to get acclimatised to the fact that, you know,
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Speaker 6: things are not going to go back to the old
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Speaker 6: days where you had, you know, two parties taking two
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Speaker 6: thirds or more of the vote, at least for the
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Speaker 6: time being. So I think that this will be the
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Speaker 6: system that we have, a very fragmented system. very much
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Speaker 6: a European-style political system for some time until the country
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Speaker 6: gets the change that it needs.
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Speaker 2: And it's incredible that we could have that given we
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Speaker 2: have a preferential system, which is a big advantage to
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Speaker 2: the major parties.
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Speaker 3: How safe is the Prime Minister, Dan?
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Speaker 2: Is the Coalition's pitiful performance, their terrible numbers, the only
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Speaker 2: thing that's keeping the challenges at bay?
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Speaker 6: No, I mean, no one is ever safe in Canberra.
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Speaker 6: I can guarantee you that. You know, another 70 or
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Speaker 6: 80 people on the government benches that want to be
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Speaker 6: the prime minister. So this is a ceaseless activity of Canberra. Look,
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Speaker 6: I think that they will probably cut Albanese some slack given,
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Speaker 6: you know, he did lead the party to a monstrous victory,
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Speaker 6: though on the back of a very low primary vote. Look,
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Speaker 6: the main threat is actually from One Nation in many respects.
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Speaker 6: We saw what happened in Western Australia. We saw what
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Speaker 6: happened where I am in South Australia, where One Nation
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Speaker 6: took a lot of the Labor vote in the outer suburbs.
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Speaker 6: We know that New South Wales, Labor is under the
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Speaker 6: pump and also in Victoria. So clearly Labor federally and
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Speaker 6: Albanese specifically don't know how to deal with the threat
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Speaker 6: of One Nation. So there will be the temptation by
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Speaker 6: Labor to replace Albanese with somebody who's considered more able
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Speaker 6: to deal with the One Nation threat.
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Speaker 7: But I don't think anything's going to change. Probably not.
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Speaker 7: until the next election, if not, you know, beyond.
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Speaker 2: Now, Anthony Albanese arrived in the US and there was
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Speaker 2: no one there, Dan, to greet him from the Trump administration,
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Speaker 2: no red carpet for Albo. And then in New York
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Speaker 2: he copped this question from Latika Burke and credit where
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Speaker 2: it's due, this was a doozy. This is the best
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Speaker 2: question I have heard posed to the Australian Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister, here in New York on Wednesday night you
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Speaker 8: will receive an award for being a global citizen. Don't
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Speaker 8: you feel like a bit of a fraud accepting this
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Speaker 8: award when at home you screwed up the response to
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Speaker 8: the worst massacre since Port Arthur? In the polls you
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Speaker 8: are taking Labor to one point shy of Julia Gillard
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Speaker 8: when you rolled her and your net negatives are worse
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Speaker 8: than Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 9: No.
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Speaker 3: That's all he could say. No, it was a fairly
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Speaker 3: petulant response.
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Speaker 2: You would think he would want to answer that in
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Speaker 2: a more fulsome manner, particularly given there would have been
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Speaker 2: international media present, Dan.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he doesn't like it when the carefully curated pack
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Speaker 6: of media sort of sycophants don't just ask their questions.
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Speaker 7: I mean, you know how it works. They're all there.
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Speaker 6: They get the questions in advance of what to... what
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Speaker 6: to ask. And, you know, there's a very sort of
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Speaker 6: subservient media. So I thought this was a great question.
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Speaker 7: I liked it.
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Speaker 6: You know, you saw Albanese in his true colours, sort
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Speaker 6: of thumbing his nose, looking down upon her, refusing to engage.
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Speaker 6: I mean, imagine if this was a conservative leader so
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Speaker 6: disrespectfully taking the question of a female journalist. You know,
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Speaker 6: you would have heard, oh, you know, this is misogyny. Oh,
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Speaker 6: they don't take women seriously. But, you know, when it's
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Speaker 6: Albanese with his two melons and everything else, you know,
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Speaker 6: he gets away with it because of a, you know,
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Speaker 6: a recalcitrant media. So I don't understand, why don't more
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Speaker 6: journalists do this? I mean, this is actually what journalists
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Speaker 6: are supposed to do.
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Speaker 3: Well, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: They all want to have that moment, that viral moment
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Speaker 2: when it comes to politicians like Donald Trump. But when
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Speaker 2: it's Anthony Albanese, it's almost like they police each other.
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Speaker 2: It was certainly like that with Dan Andrews back in
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Speaker 2: the bad old days of the COVID lockdowns and the
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Speaker 2: daily press conferences. Anyone who sort of stepped out of
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Speaker 2: line there and asked some tough questions copped it from
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Speaker 2: the rest of the media pack. Now, let's look at
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Speaker 2: some of the attacks against One Nation. Former MasterChef host
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Speaker 2: Melissa Long has branded Pauline Hanson an orange-haired demon as
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Speaker 2: she accused the One Nation leader of making Asian Australians
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Speaker 2: feel unsafe.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 8: And then if you think about everything that the orange-haired
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Speaker 8: demon has done in the last 12 months alone.
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Speaker 8: You asked that question again, do you think Australia is racist?
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Speaker 2: Dan, what sort of impact do you think that sort
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Speaker 2: of commentary will have? Will it land or is it
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Speaker 2: just going to be dismissed as more whinging?
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Speaker 7: No one cares.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I've seriously never heard of this person until
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Speaker 6: just now. And she seems to have done well in life.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I assume being a co-host of a fairly
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Speaker 6: you know, major television program. I mean, really, you really
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Speaker 6: feel beset by racism and that you've not had opportunities
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Speaker 6: to get ahead in life. It just doesn't weigh up. Now,
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to diminish if she has been subject
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Speaker 6: to any unfairness, then, you know, that's not right. But
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Speaker 6: you would look at her life on a whole and
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Speaker 6: say she's done pretty well because that's the kind of
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Speaker 6: country we are.
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Speaker 7: We're a country where if you.
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Speaker 6: Have a go and you do the right thing and
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Speaker 6: you're successful, you'll get rewarded for it. That's overwhelmingly what
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Speaker 6: our national story is all about. I don't understand why
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Speaker 6: the you know, people like this feel the need to
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Speaker 6: weigh in. You know, of course, have an opinion. But
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Speaker 6: when you start getting very personal and vitriolic, I just
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Speaker 6: think it diminishes the other things that this individual has
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Speaker 6: done in their career. And I just don't think it's
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Speaker 6: going to, I mean, it will probably have no impact,
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Speaker 6: but if it has any impact, it's actually going to
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Speaker 6: help Pauline Hanson and One Nation rather than hinder them,
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Speaker 6: I imagine.
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Speaker 2: And another lefty commentator, Peter Fitzsimons, has published a piece
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Speaker 2: in the Sydney Morning Herald and where he's essentially gloating
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Speaker 2: about mass migration soon making white Australians a minority in
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Speaker 2: Australia and that how this is going to damage One
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Speaker 2: Nation in upcoming elections. One, it's very presumptuous, this notion
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Speaker 2: that migrants will not vote for One Nation. In fact,
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Speaker 2: the polling seems to indicate otherwise, particularly when it.
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Speaker 3: Comes to certain migrant groups.
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Speaker 2: But what about this notion that Australians or Anglo-Saxon Australians
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Speaker 2: will soon be a minority in their own country?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's very divisive, this kind of nonsense
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Speaker 6: that's peddled by the elite sort of media type people
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Speaker 6: like Bandana Man, you know, who are always trying to
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Speaker 6: engage in some kind of divisive campaign, whether it's a republic,
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Speaker 6: whether it's a voice to parliament. Now he's sort of
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Speaker 6: gloating that this idea that, you know, one cohort of
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Speaker 6: Australians are going to be in a minority and, You know,
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Speaker 6: you have people in this debate that actually look at
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Speaker 6: the demographic change and they're alarmed by it and then
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Speaker 6: they're told that they're conspiracy theorists, you know. So this
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Speaker 6: is a classic example of, you know, this is not
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Speaker 6: happening and it's good that it is, you know. So
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Speaker 6: if someone brings it up, they'll say, no, no, that's
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Speaker 6: not happening. You're making this up. And then you have
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Speaker 6: someone like Fitzsimons that says, yeah, this is happening and
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Speaker 6: this is a very good thing and it's your turn
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Speaker 6: to cop it now. This is the kind of divisive
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Speaker 6: nonsense that actually causes nations to crumble and decline. If
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Speaker 6: he can't see the fact that our values as Australians
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Speaker 6: go beyond our skin colour, I know it's hard for
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Speaker 6: him because he was a chief advocate of the Voice
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Speaker 6: to Parliament, so he's obsessed with skin colour. But if
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Speaker 6: you don't understand that our values go beyond skin colour
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Speaker 6: and racial background and ethnicity, then I think you're the problem,
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Speaker 6: not the rest of the country.
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Speaker 2: Now, before you go, I've been wanting to speak to
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Speaker 2: you about this one.
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Speaker 3: So Joseph Banks.
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Speaker 2: A great figure in Australian history, took part in Captain
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Speaker 2: James Cook's first great voyage to this country. He was
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Speaker 2: a strong advocate for British settlement in New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: the colonisation of Australia.
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Speaker 3: He is one of the founders, you could argue, of
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Speaker 3: modern day Australia.
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Speaker 2: But have a look at the way the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales State Library has described this explorer.
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Speaker 3: This is what sits below his portrait.
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Speaker 2: It says, He paved the way for invasion, dispossession and
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Speaker 2: colonisation and his legacy is cultural theft, colonial violence and
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Speaker 2: enduring loss. Dan, they also said in this caption they
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Speaker 2: accused Banks of being an obsessive specimen collector who took
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Speaker 2: vast numbers of Indigenous cultural belongings, plants and animals without consent.
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Speaker 3: What do you think of all this?
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Speaker 6: Well, it's a disgrace and the curators or the administrators,
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Speaker 6: whoever's responsible, need to be fired for this, clearly. You know,
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Speaker 6: there's nothing wrong in giving an accurate assessment of Australia's
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Speaker 6: past and the individuals involved, but to provide that little
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Speaker 6: snippet in a way that is very politically charged and
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Speaker 6: also factually incorrect is a disgrace for an institution that
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Speaker 6: should be actually showcasing Australia's history, not only to Australians,
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Speaker 6: but to the many visitors that come to learn about
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Speaker 6: our country. And you're going to tell them that we're
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Speaker 6: basically a backward racist country built on stolen land and invasion.
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Speaker 7: It's a total and complete disgrace.
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Speaker 6: They need to be brought, someone needs to be brought
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Speaker 6: to answer about why do they think this was appropriate?
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Speaker 6: On what basis have they made this assessment? So, you know,
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Speaker 6: this is a problem. I mean, many of our cultural
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Speaker 6: institutions are doing the wrong thing. They've been taken over
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Speaker 6: by activists. And sadly, Australians are now developing cultural amnesia
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Speaker 6: where we're forgetting who we really are.
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Speaker 3: The fact that they felt.
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Speaker 2: confident enough to put something this radical as the caption
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Speaker 2: under his portrait to me is wild. It just shows
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Speaker 2: you how captured these institutions are by this far-left thinking because, yes,
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Speaker 2: those sorts of people have often served in those sorts
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Speaker 2: of roles, but they've had the good sense just to
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Speaker 2: temper their activism a little bit. Now they seem to
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Speaker 2: just be running wild. Daniel Weil, thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Joining me now is host of the
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Speaker 2: Integrity Unit and senior journalist with the Herald Sun, Seb Costello. Seb,
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Speaker 2: let's start with what was called the greatest game in
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Speaker 2: AFL history, the preliminary final between Hawthorne and Brisbane. But
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Speaker 2: it's the game's aftermath that continues to make news. We
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Speaker 2: will discuss the Lockie Neal suspension shortly.
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Speaker 3: But firstly, the crowd behaviour.
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Speaker 2: We saw irate Hawthorne fans hurling bottles and other debris
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Speaker 2: at umpires. The AFL and MCC have confirmed they are.
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Speaker 2: examining security footage to find offenders and are prepared to dish.
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Speaker 3: Out significant penalties.
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Speaker 2: Victoria Police has evicted 10 fans during that game and
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Speaker 2: the NCG issued five penalty notices for poor behaviour. Seb,
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Speaker 2: what sort of penalty is fair here? Because we're talking
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Speaker 2: about lifetime bans.
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Speaker 3: Is that disproportionate?
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Speaker 5: Life bans.
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Speaker 2: That's what people are demanding, saying these fans should never
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Speaker 2: enter another AFL stadium.
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Speaker 1: I reckon we've got people in the footy community that
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Speaker 1: are competing to try and make Genghis Khan look like
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Speaker 1: a light touch.
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Speaker 5: I mean, life bans.
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Speaker 1: You're going to take a 25-year-old who did something silly
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Speaker 1: and say to them, for the next 50, 60 years
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Speaker 1: of your life, you can never go to the.
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Speaker 5: I mean, come on. It wasn't great.
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Speaker 1: I think whoever did it should come forward because they're
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Speaker 1: on CCTV already.
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Speaker 5: So if I was their lawyer.
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Speaker 2: And I think it has to be proportionate to what
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Speaker 2: the offence was. If you throw an empty bottle, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's not good. You should cop a penalty. But it's
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Speaker 2: a very different thing to throwing a half-full bottle, for example,
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Speaker 2: and I think that is lost also when we're looking
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Speaker 2: at this because we just see the debris coming in
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Speaker 2: and we assume it's all going to cause damage Terrible damage.
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Speaker 5: And no one was hurt.
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Speaker 1: So, you know, we're going to put a life ban
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Speaker 1: and allow someone to sort of appeal it when they
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Speaker 1: get to the age of 70 and say 50 years
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Speaker 1: from now when you're through that, but come on. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's a bit over the top. Having said that, it
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Speaker 1: does make me yearn for the days of the great.
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Speaker 5: Shane Keith Warne. Do you remember there was a one-day.
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Speaker 1: International featuring England where Bay 13 went ballistic, litter all
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Speaker 1: over the MCG and there was only one man that
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Speaker 1: could calm the crowd and they sent out Shane Warne.
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Speaker 5: And he put them all to rest.
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Speaker 3: What did he say? Just tell them to stop.
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Speaker 1: He held up the Australian helmet and then put it
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Speaker 1: on and said, no more throwing, and they just.
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Speaker 5: Sort of did the Warnie thing and all was well
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Speaker 5: with the world.
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Speaker 3: Warnie, yeah, he had the magic touch.
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Speaker 2: Now, the most scandal-riddled star of the AFL, you would
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Speaker 2: have to say, this year, Lachie Neal, whose personal affairs have.
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Speaker 3: dominated headlines, to say the least.
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Speaker 2: And now the Brownlow medalist and two-time premiership captain has
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Speaker 2: been handed a one-match ban for an off-the-ball incident, a
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Speaker 2: gut punch, and Seb, that will rule him out for
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Speaker 2: the grand final. Of course, Brisbane are going to appeal.
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Speaker 3: On what grounds? Because the footage looks pretty bad.
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Speaker 1: They say you can do it under compelling and exceptional grounds.
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Speaker 5: So this is a grand final. Lucky Neal's one of
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Speaker 5: the best players in the history of the game.
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Speaker 3: But I thought they give you tougher penalties during the
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Speaker 3: final season. That is an exception. No, no, they got
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Speaker 3: rid of that.
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Speaker 2: They got rid of that where you can't just say,
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Speaker 2: you know, he's played 320 games without a suspension, he's
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Speaker 2: got this exemplary record.
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Speaker 3: Let him off. I mean, I don't think that's going
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Speaker 3: to wash, is it?
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Speaker 5: Lucky Neil's never done anything wrong in life, has he?
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Speaker 2: Well, not on the football field normally. But really, how
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Speaker 2: are Brisbane going to fight this? Are they going to
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Speaker 2: say it was just a fake and the opponent was
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Speaker 2: playing it up?
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Speaker 3: Because I think they're going to have to bring more to.
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Speaker 2: The table than he's Stellar record.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a legitimate defence to
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Speaker 1: say it was only Jack Ginnivan. I mean, we're not
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Speaker 1: doing any great harm here.
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Speaker 3: I say that as an instant supporter.
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Speaker 5: Gee, I was happy to watch the Hawks go down
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Speaker 5: right now.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what? We're still up there.
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Speaker 2: So whilst your team hasn't been in a finals for
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Speaker 2: about 8,000 days, not that anyone's counting. But players can
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Speaker 2: no longer use the good bloke defence.
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Speaker 3: That is out.
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Speaker 2: That's what helped Charlie Cameron play because he had a,
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Speaker 2: great record. So they're going to have to come up
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Speaker 2: with something a bit better. All right, let's switch to
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Speaker 2: gambling because we've got to get serious. This is a
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Speaker 2: serious issue. The AFL, like a number of other football codes,
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Speaker 2: has got a complicated relationship with betting agencies. They make
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Speaker 2: a small fortune from it, but it does present all
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Speaker 2: sorts of challenges, all sorts of conflicts of interest. And
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Speaker 2: You could argue hypocrisy from league headquarters. What do you
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Speaker 2: make of this? I wrote about this last week in
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Speaker 2: the Herald Sun about players getting unhinged abuse from gamblers
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Speaker 2: who have lost bets and are just making just threats
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Speaker 2: and vile abuse aimed at players because they're not going
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Speaker 2: to be able to pay the bills that week because
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Speaker 2: they've got a gambling issue. There were a number of
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Speaker 2: AFL clubs led by Collingwood who got rid of their
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Speaker 2: poker machines, who said, this is causing social harm. We
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Speaker 2: don't want to be associated with it, no matter how
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Speaker 2: profitable it is. And they made that decision and they.
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Speaker 3: Were applauded for it.
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Speaker 2: But yet other forms of gambling are very much not
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Speaker 2: just tolerated, celebrated, integrated into the way the game is presented.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw your piece and I thought it was
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Speaker 1: really concerning that these players are getting these sort of comments,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think. Anyone who sends abuse online to
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Speaker 1: someone they don't know, in my.
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Speaker 5: View, is a loser. And you're a bigger loser if
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Speaker 5: you're giving all your dough to the bookmakers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think the AFL are engaged on this issue. But
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Speaker 1: when we see clubs get out of pokies and these
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Speaker 1: small measures here and there, it's covering up the reality
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Speaker 1: that the whole AFL industry relies on gambling.
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Speaker 5: And it's a reason we don't hear people talk about
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Speaker 5: it too often.
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Speaker 1: The AFL's total business model is based on broadcast rights.
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Speaker 1: The value of that broadcast deal to the network is
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Speaker 1: completely based on how much they can sell advertising space
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Speaker 1: to bookmakers.
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Speaker 3: So really the whole thing is centred on bookmaking.
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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because a number of AFL clubs have
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Speaker 2: direct relationships with betting agencies as sponsors and pretty much
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Speaker 2: they're all owned by the AFL. So that relationship is
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Speaker 2: really deep and ingrained. Now, there was a story related
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Speaker 2: to gambling that was in the front of the Herald
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Speaker 2: Sun in recent days. Former AFL star Paddy Ryder opened
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Speaker 2: up on his struggles with addiction. He was a binge
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Speaker 2: drinker throughout his career. He then added gambling to the
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Speaker 2: mix and then cocaine. And he says it nearly cost
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Speaker 2: him his life.
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Speaker 3: Seb, this is... Again, a cautionary tale. We know the
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Speaker 3: AFL's illicit drug code is deeply flawed. It always has been.
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Speaker 2: By design, it's really a brand management tool than it
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Speaker 2: is an illicit drug code.
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Speaker 3: Are they going to do anything about it? Are they
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Speaker 3: going to wait for tragedy to occur before they actually
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Speaker 3: address something that has been a significant problem in the
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Speaker 3: league for decades, you could argue.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think, first of all, well done to
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Speaker 1: Paddy Ryder. Like, it's not easy to talk about those issues.
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Speaker 1: And I think he did so in a way that
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Speaker 1: was really honest and he took accountability for the harm,
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Speaker 1: you know, he'd done to his family and others.
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Speaker 5: And that's a really tough thing to do. So well
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Speaker 5: done him.
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Speaker 1: And I think you said he was almost a year
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Speaker 1: clean and sober. So, you know, good on you, Paddy,
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Speaker 1: and good luck on that journey. I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: the drugs policy has already failed, as we saw in
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Speaker 1: the case of, the Elijah Hollands situation earlier this year.
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Speaker 1: There was a young man in a lot of pain
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Speaker 1: who should never have been out on that oval and
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Speaker 1: has only done himself more emotional harm. He certainly, in
20:46
Speaker 1: my view, didn't look like he was safe being out there,
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Speaker 1: given the state that he was in. And if the
20:52
Speaker 1: illicit drugs code is supposed to stop players putting themselves
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Speaker 1: in dangerous positions, it completely failed that night.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's failed throughout because it has loopholes that are deliberate.
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Speaker 2: If a player self-reports, even if they record a positive
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Speaker 2: drug test, it doesn't register. They can keep registering positive
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Speaker 2: after positive without any fear of being exposed or having penalties.
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Speaker 2: So it seems to be a brand management exercise by
21:23
Speaker 2: the AFL to hide the level of illicit drug use
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Speaker 2: in its player ranks, which is... An issue I think
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Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about for a long time.
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Speaker 2: Seb Costello, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 7: Thanks, Rita.
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Speaker 2: Still to come, lefties losing it, plus the latest from
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Speaker 2: the US where another ICE-related shooting has heightened debate about deportations.
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Speaker 3: John Hinderaker is up next.
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Speaker 2: MUSIC You're watching the Rita Panahy Show and it's time
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Speaker 2: for Lefty's Losing It. And let's start with an extravaganza
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Speaker 2: of celebrity power.
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Speaker 3: Here are a pack of.
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Speaker 2: Performative, self-important idiots with delusions of intellect. They're pledging their
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Speaker 2: allegiance to the Constitution. Yes, they're pledging to protect the Constitution.
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Speaker 2: From Donald Trump, of course.
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Speaker 4: I am Jamie Lee Curtis.
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Speaker 7: Noah Wiley.
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Speaker 11: Robert De Niro. J. Michael Ludig.
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Speaker 4: Ramon Gerard Estevez, a.k.a. Martin Sheen.
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Speaker 12: Dr.
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Speaker 5: Isaiah Ike Wilson III, Colonel, United States Army, retired.
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Speaker 3: And I do solemnly swear that I will support.
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Speaker 4: And defend the Constitution of the United States.
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Speaker 7: Against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Speaker 5: That I will continue to bear true faith and allegiance
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Speaker 5: to the same.
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Speaker 4: And that I take this obligation freely. without any mental
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Speaker 4: reservation or purpose of evasion.
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Speaker 3: I am proud to affirm my oath to the Constitution.
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Speaker 5: And I hope you will too.
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Speaker 2: These are the same clowns who have railed against the Constitution,
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Speaker 2: railed against democracy itself in the age of Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: Take Martin Sheen, for example. He is such a.
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Speaker 2: Defender of the Constitution that he tried to subvert it
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Speaker 2: to deny a democratically elected president from taking office.
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Speaker 3: Yes, back in 2016, he.
23:16
Speaker 2: Was part of a campaign to pressure the Electoral College
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Speaker 2: not to certify the election.
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Speaker 12: Republican members of the Electoral College, this message is for you.
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Speaker 12: As you know, our founding fathers built the Electoral College
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Speaker 12: to safeguard the American people from the dangers of a
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Speaker 12: demagogue and to ensure that the presidency only goes to
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Speaker 12: someone who is to an eminent degree endowed with the
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Speaker 12: requisite qualifications.
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Speaker 2: Yep, but that was from December 2016, right after Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump won his first term. You think you've got disdain
23:50
Speaker 2: for these Hollywood blowhards, but then you realise they deserve.
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Speaker 3: A lot more disdain.
23:56
Speaker 2: Now let's check in on another two self-delighted idiots, Megan
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Speaker 2: Rapinoe and Colin Kaepernick, and hear their reminisce about their
24:04
Speaker 2: brave stance in taking a knee and just how horridly
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Speaker 2: racist America is.
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Speaker 3: So yeah. The usual BS.
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Speaker 10: I just feel like racist mayhem ensued after that. You
24:17
Speaker 10: hit the nail on the head and spoke just directly
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Speaker 10: to America's ugliest and longest standing truth. And people hated it.
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Speaker 10: And they hated you for it. And they hated anybody
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Speaker 10: who was with you for it and said anything about it.
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Speaker 3: Where did this start?
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Speaker 13: Really, it was a lifetime of experiences. the actual lead
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Speaker 13: up to the protest was the wave of killings that
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Speaker 13: we saw just very, very publicly.
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Speaker 7: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 3: They were just going around killing black folk.
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Speaker 2: That's what that simpleton still thinks, despite all the available
24:56
Speaker 2: abundant evidence.
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Speaker 3: Now let's hear from Anne.
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Speaker 2: Orfall, just another affluent white female leftist who looks normal enough,
25:05
Speaker 2: but then you.
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Speaker 3: Hear her say this about Lindsay Clancy. and it sends
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Speaker 3: a shiver up your spine.
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Speaker 12: If the prosecutors don't try the case again, do you
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Speaker 12: think that's justice for the kids?
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Speaker 14: Justice for the kids? I don't know. They had a
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Speaker 14: mother who was seriously, seriously ill, so locking her up,
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Speaker 14: I don't see how that's justice.
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Speaker 5: So what do you think her punishment should be, if
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Speaker 5: it was up to you?
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Speaker 14: I think she is punished enough. She has lost her children.
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Speaker 14: She has lost her life, basically. She's probably going to
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Speaker 14: be in a mental institution the rest of her life,
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Speaker 14: and she's lost her children.
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Speaker 2: She didn't lose her kids. That wasn't some terrible, unavoidable accident.
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Speaker 2: She deliberately murdered them. That's why they're not here today.
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Speaker 2: She deliberately murdered them after meticulously planning those murders and then.
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Speaker 3: Carried out the terrible deed. Now to Ed Sheeran.
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Speaker 2: And after a week of abuse from his fellow musicians,
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Speaker 2: along with the activist and political class, Ed Sheeran gave
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Speaker 2: this speech on stage. He tried his best to appease
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Speaker 2: both sides. He tried his best to end this scandal,
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Speaker 2: to participate in what looked like a humiliation ritual. But
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Speaker 2: the anti-West crowd are still not happy with him.
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Speaker 15: Now, I want to address the question of where I
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Speaker 15: stand in the situation in Israel and Palestine and whether
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Speaker 15: my doing this concert here tonight implies where I stand.
26:37
Speaker 15: I have tried in my career not to be a
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Speaker 15: political commentator of any kind because I want my music
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Speaker 15: and shows to be about unity, not division, about humanity,
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Speaker 15: not politics. But this is a humanitarian issue and I
26:55
Speaker 15: cannot hide how I feel about it anymore. What happened
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Speaker 15: in Israel and at the Nova Music Festival on October
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Speaker 15: 7th was horrific and compounded centuries of Jewish pain. What
27:06
Speaker 15: is happening in Gaza is catastrophic and unjustifiable and disproportionate.
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Speaker 15: My heart has been broken by the scale of devastation
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Speaker 15: and loss of civilians' lives, of children's lives. And the
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Speaker 15: systemic injustice we're seeing unfold in the West Bank cannot
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Speaker 15: be overlooked.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is the president of the Centre of
27:29
Speaker 2: the American Experiment, John Heinderacker, also founder of the popular
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Speaker 2: Powerline blog. John, what did you make of that speech?
27:36
Speaker 2: He went on to say more. He seemed to be
27:40
Speaker 2: reading it all off an autocue.
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Speaker 3: Do you feel sorry for him? Because he seems to
27:44
Speaker 3: have been forced into this process.
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Speaker 16: Well, that was a very weak performance, Rita. The reality
27:52
Speaker 16: is there's nothing that you can do that will satisfy
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Speaker 16: a howling mob of leftists. And it is foolish to try,
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Speaker 16: which I think is what Ed Sheeran was doing there.
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Speaker 16: And that apology is not going to get him anywhere.
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Speaker 16: They're going to continue to hound him for more.
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Speaker 2: Well, why can't a musician just say, which is what
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Speaker 2: he tried to do, that he didn't want to bring
28:19
Speaker 2: politics to his shows. Why can't he just say this
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Speaker 2: isn't my area of expertise, even my area of interest?
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Speaker 2: You're not obliged to care about this issue. And this
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Speaker 2: demand to talk about this particular conflict, there's no such
28:34
Speaker 2: demands to talk about the massacres in Sudan or the
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Speaker 2: persecution of Christians in parts of Africa and Asia. It's
28:42
Speaker 2: just this one conflict, John, that every musician must state
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Speaker 2: a position on publicly.
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Speaker 16: Well, Rita, a musician can stay out of politics. I mean,
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Speaker 16: Bob Dylan, for example, doesn't talk about politics. And you're
28:59
Speaker 16: absolutely right. These people, you know, they don't care about
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Speaker 16: massacres in Sudan. They don't care about oppression of Christians.
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Speaker 16: They didn't even care about the horrific massacres of October 7.
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Speaker 16: And why is there no pressure on people to speak
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Speaker 16: out against those terrible, terrible massacres that were the cause
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Speaker 16: of the Gaza war. And I think the answer is
29:25
Speaker 16: that these musicians, same thing with actors and others, don't
29:29
Speaker 16: really care about people being killed or people being oppressed.
29:33
Speaker 16: What they care about is trying to gain political advantage.
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Speaker 16: And frankly, what is really driving this is a huge
29:40
Speaker 16: amount of anti-Semitism on the left.
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Speaker 2: John, this whole thing could have been avoided if Ed
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Speaker 2: Sheeran or his management did a little bit of work,
29:51
Speaker 2: did a little bit of due diligence on Macklemore, because
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Speaker 2: he is a rabbit. He's not like your regular musician
29:58
Speaker 2: who says lefty stuff here and there. He is absolutely
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Speaker 2: an activist and he makes it a part of his artistry,
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Speaker 2: his performances, and some of the stuff he's got up
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Speaker 2: to have been pretty questionable. So I think this could
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Speaker 2: have been avoided if Ed Sheeran's management were just a
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Speaker 2: little bit more careful in selecting who they were putting
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Speaker 2: on his stage. Now, John, let's move on to our
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. Anthony Albanese is in the US right now.
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Speaker 2: He didn't get much of a welcome, it has to
30:30
Speaker 2: be said, from the Trump administration. Tell me, is there
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Speaker 2: any acknowledgement, any excitement about his presence in America?
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Speaker 16: Rita, to be honest, until you mentioned it, I had
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Speaker 16: no idea that Albanese was in the U.S. I have
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Speaker 16: seen nothing about it in the press. And so I
30:50
Speaker 16: don't think it has made much of an impression.
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Speaker 2: Well, how does the Trump administration feel view the Albanese government,
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Speaker 2: view Australia, is the relationship between the two countries as
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Speaker 2: strong as ever?
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Speaker 5: Well, I think the.
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Speaker 16: Trump administration is probably skeptical of Albanese as they are
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Speaker 16: of left-wing politicians generally. But I think the alliance with
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Speaker 16: Australia is strong. I think Australia's geographic position is potentially critical.
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Speaker 16: And Americans like Australia. We like Australians. I don't think
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Speaker 16: that the Albanese government has really affected that at all.
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Speaker 2: Now, an ICE officer has shot a man in Texas,
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Speaker 2: in Austin. It led to a crowd of angry demonstrators
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Speaker 2: turning up. They were clashing with authorities. The Department of
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Speaker 2: Homeland Security, John, says that this man was shot by
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Speaker 2: an ICE officer after a final.
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Speaker 3: Order of removal. He is an illegal immigrant from Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: What more can you tell me about this incident and
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Speaker 2: will it have an impact on the national debate about ICE?
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Speaker 2: Because I can see all sorts of fear and loathing
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Speaker 2: being whipped up about ICE operations in America.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't know, Rita, whether there is any video
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Speaker 16: of the shooting itself.
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Speaker 5: I haven't seen any.
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Speaker 16: As you say, the guy who was wounded was an
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Speaker 16: illegal alien from Venezuela, subject to a deportation order. Reportedly,
32:21
Speaker 16: there was a foot chase, but what exactly led up
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Speaker 16: to the shooting, we don't know at this time. What
32:26
Speaker 16: we do know is that the cities where this kind
32:29
Speaker 16: of violence has happened have always been the places where
32:33
Speaker 16: the local authorities don't support ICE, where they try to
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Speaker 16: undermine federal law enforcement and where they encourage demonstrations and
32:42
Speaker 16: attempts to interfere with law enforcement. And so we've seen
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Speaker 16: That kind of activity by the local authorities in Austin,
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Speaker 16: and I suspect that that was a factor. I don't
32:52
Speaker 16: think this is really going to influence the debate over
32:55
Speaker 16: illegal immigration to any significant extent. There have been several
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Speaker 16: of these instances. This guy was shot, wounded. Fortunately, the
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Speaker 16: wound was not fatal. And I think the people that
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Speaker 16: hate ICE and want to have a lot of illegal
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Speaker 16: immigration are going to continue that way. And I think
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Speaker 16: those of us who want the law to be enforced,
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Speaker 16: we're not going to change our minds either.
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Speaker 2: John, some of the audience may be shocked to learn
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Speaker 2: that this could happen in Texas, where authorities wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: cooperating with ICE. But we are talking about Austin, Texas,
33:28
Speaker 2: and that's very different to the rest of Texas.
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Speaker 3: It's blue.
33:32
Speaker 2: You go around Austin and I've traveled through Texas extensively.
33:36
Speaker 3: It feels different. It looks different. You've got signs of decay.
33:40
Speaker 2: It's the only place in Texas I've seen a lot
33:42
Speaker 2: of homelessness, for example, and the authorities there aren't that
33:47
Speaker 2: different to say New York or San Francisco, John.
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Speaker 16: No, Austin, of course, is the capital of the state
33:54
Speaker 16: of Texas. It's also the home to the University of Texas.
33:57
Speaker 16: And so those two things give it a much more
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Speaker 16: liberal cast than most of Texas cities. And in fact,
34:03
Speaker 16: it has a liberal city government.
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Speaker 2: John, let's talk about the WNBA. And former ESPN anchor
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Speaker 2: Carrie Champion has attacked Caitlin Clark's fan base, accusing them
34:15
Speaker 2: of racism. She also claims the WNBA is looking the
34:19
Speaker 2: other way because Clark brings new business, God forbid that,
34:24
Speaker 2: because this is a league that has made losses every
34:27
Speaker 2: year it's operated. John, she called Caitlin Clark an avatar
34:32
Speaker 2: for people who want to spread hate. What is behind
34:36
Speaker 2: this latest attack and why does the WNBA attract such
34:40
Speaker 2: uniquely stupid commentary?
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Speaker 16: Rita, it's hard to say. Sports have been integrated in
34:46
Speaker 16: the US since the 1940s. Everybody's used to the idea.
34:49
Speaker 16: There are white athletes, black athletes, Hispanic athletes, whatever. No
34:53
Speaker 16: one cares. So now all of a sudden race has
34:57
Speaker 16: been injected into the WNBA. And it isn't Clark's fans
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Speaker 16: who keep talking about race. It is her critics who,
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Speaker 16: for whatever reason, can't seem to accept the fact that
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Speaker 16: Caitlin Clark is a popular player. And it's really unfortunate
35:13
Speaker 16: because the last thing the WNBA needs, you know, it's
35:16
Speaker 16: trying to become more popular. The last thing that it
35:19
Speaker 16: needs is these, you know, pointless controversies over race.
35:24
Speaker 2: Now, before you go, I want to ask you about
35:26
Speaker 2: what's happening in Italy. I noticed you had a post
35:30
Speaker 2: on the Powerline blog about Prime Minister Giorgia Maloney in
35:35
Speaker 2: Italy and the range of measures she's announced to preserve
35:39
Speaker 2: Italian culture, things like banning the burqa, banning the kneecap.
35:46
Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit more about this and how
35:48
Speaker 2: much support does Giorgia Maloney have for these measures?
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Speaker 16: Well, as you say, Rita, she's proposing a couple of things,
35:56
Speaker 16: and one of them is banning the burqa and the
35:59
Speaker 16: niqab in schools. And the second is to limit the
36:03
Speaker 16: percentage of foreign students that are allowed per class in
36:08
Speaker 16: the public schools. And I take it the idea there
36:11
Speaker 16: is to spread foreign students out so that Italian kids
36:15
Speaker 16: don't have the prospect of being a minority in their
36:18
Speaker 16: own classrooms. I think those efforts to preserve Italian culture
36:24
Speaker 16: are generally popular with the Italian people. Maloney's skepticism of
36:29
Speaker 16: mass third world immigration is probably the main reason that
36:33
Speaker 16: she got elected. She's had a successful and popular term
36:36
Speaker 16: in office so far. And I think that the clear
36:39
Speaker 16: majority of the Italian people are with her on these issues.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible to see her rise to power because when
36:50
Speaker 2: she looked on the verge of winning, this scaremongering we
36:54
Speaker 2: saw from not just the media in Europe but around
36:57
Speaker 2: the world, right here in Australia, she was described as
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Speaker 2: some sort of a fascist, this far-right, dangerous figure who
37:06
Speaker 2: And she's actually been very stable in government. She is
37:10
Speaker 2: enormously popular and been very different to all the fears
37:16
Speaker 2: that were raised when she was about to come to power.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, she is governed as a center-right political figure. I
37:24
Speaker 16: think she's done a terrific job. She's been in office
37:27
Speaker 16: longer than any Italian prime minister for a while. You know,
37:30
Speaker 16: they change governments there very often. And she's having, I think,
37:34
Speaker 16: a good, successful tenure. And I think she's governing with
37:37
Speaker 16: a lot of good common sense.
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Speaker 3: John Hinder-Reicher, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, Rita.
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Speaker 2: Still to come, Charles Spencer's tell-all book is causing all
37:49
Speaker 2: sorts of headaches for the palace. Kinsey Schofield has all
37:54
Speaker 2: your royal news next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. Now let's check in on the world of high.
38:09
Speaker 2: Fashion and look how excited this Brazilian model and fashion
38:13
Speaker 2: influencer is. Marley Borghese is to receive these shoes. And
38:18
Speaker 2: I use that word loosely. And a warning, this may
38:22
Speaker 2: be the most annoying clip I show you all week.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is.
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Speaker 2: Host of the Kinsey Schofield Unfiltered podcast. Kinsey, I thought
38:54
Speaker 2: that was an annoying spoof, but that footwear actually exists.
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Speaker 3: In fact, Chanel.
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Speaker 2: Showcased it recently.
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Speaker 3: What is going on in the world of fashion?
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Speaker 17: I mean, Britney Spears walks barefoot into a gas station
39:08
Speaker 17: and gets 5150.
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Speaker 18: But when Chanel does it, suddenly it's fashion. Make it
39:13
Speaker 18: make sense. No chance.
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Speaker 17: I mean, Too many crack needles on the streets of
39:17
Speaker 17: Santa Monica and Venice, thanks to Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom.
39:21
Speaker 17: I'm going to go ahead and pass on this fashion trend.
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Speaker 2: Now to the Royals and this Charles Steele. Spencer book
39:31
Speaker 2: is causing all sorts of issues. And Princess Diana's brother
39:36
Speaker 2: has done a number of interviews. I'm going to show
39:38
Speaker 2: you a bit from an interview he did with BBC.
39:40
Speaker 2: And he is not backing down from revelations that are
39:45
Speaker 2: going to be painful for his nephews.
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Speaker 9: What do you think that her sons, his sons, your nephews,
39:54
Speaker 9: who you vowed so publicly, so movingly to protect. We'll
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Speaker 9: think when they hear you saying that, revealing these words
40:05
Speaker 9: nearly three decades on, which you know are bound to
40:08
Speaker 9: stir up huge amounts of pain and anger.
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Speaker 19: I don't like to talk about what I've been speaking
40:16
Speaker 19: about to William and Harry, but this will not be
40:19
Speaker 19: a surprise to them. I will tell you that. These
40:21
Speaker 19: words will not be a surprise to them.
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Speaker 9: But what are they to make of that? As human beings,
40:30
Speaker 9: you're telling the world their father said, don't worry, everyone
40:35
Speaker 9: will forget your dead mother.
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Speaker 19: I have a duty, you know, I was an eyewitness
40:39
Speaker 19: to history and it's my duty in my, the final
40:44
Speaker 19: season of my life, this was very much a spur
40:47
Speaker 19: for me to write this now, was both my parents
40:49
Speaker 19: died in their 60s. I'm in my 60s. I'm aware
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Speaker 19: of mortality and I wanted to just put things down
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Speaker 19: once and for all that were true.
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Speaker 2: Kinsey, I've got to say, he came across very well
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Speaker 2: in these interviews. He answered those tough questions, has obviously
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Speaker 2: prepared his articulate.
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Speaker 3: What did you make of it?
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Speaker 17: I think duty must be code for dwindling bank account.
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Speaker 17: I mean, Charles Spencer is contradicting Charles Spencer here. And
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Speaker 17: in a 1998 documentary that he also did for the BBC,
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Speaker 17: he said he didn't know members of the royal family
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Speaker 17: well enough to judge them and that he wasn't interested
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Speaker 17: in attacking his nephew's family. Fast forward 30 years later,
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Speaker 17: and apparently everybody's fair game. So which Charles Spencer are
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Speaker 17: we supposed to believe?
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Speaker 3: I knew he wasn't going to fool you, Kinsey. You
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Speaker 3: are as sharp as ever.
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Speaker 2: And his own personal conduct, I mean, he could judge
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Speaker 2: King Charles for not being a fantastic husband to his sister,
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Speaker 2: but he hasn't exactly been a fantastic.
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Speaker 3: Husband to his wives multiple either.
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Speaker 2: And Charles Spencer, he's doing all the media outlets, he's
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Speaker 2: talked to Good Morning America as well, and he accused
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Speaker 2: the King of gaslighting him.
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Speaker 18: They broke protocol to... issue a response to your book?
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Speaker 13: And what do you make of the response of fraternal
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Speaker 13: grief can cloud reason and color memory?
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Speaker 19: Well, it's not every day you're gaslit by a king,
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Speaker 19: but I was really upset with that because I thought
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Speaker 19: it was very, not only condescending, but not straight. What
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Speaker 19: I said is straight and true. And what did they
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Speaker 19: come back with? That? It doesn't say he didn't say
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Speaker 19: it either. That's what I found interesting.
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Speaker 2: Kinsey, are they trying to gaslight him? is King Charles
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Speaker 2: gaslighting Charles Spencema.
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Speaker 17: Don't you love the therapy speak? Did he inherit this
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Speaker 17: from Prince Harry himself, the gaslighting line? No, I think
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Speaker 17: Charles spent way too much time saying recollections may vary
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Speaker 17: in that statement that he released. In my opinion, though,
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Speaker 17: Charles blows all credibility when accusing King Charles in his
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Speaker 17: new book of being in love with his male valet,
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Speaker 17: repeating these sensational allegations about the King based on what
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Speaker 17: Diana had told him, particularly when himself, Charles Spencer once
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Speaker 17: wrote Diana a letter questioning her mental stability. You can't
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Speaker 17: say your sister was an unreliable narrator when it suited you.
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Speaker 17: And then three decades later, treat every explosive thing she
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Speaker 17: alleged as the gospel.
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Speaker 18: It just doesn't work that way.
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Speaker 2: And people have noted that when Diana reached out to
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Speaker 2: him for help, when her marriage was falling apart and
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Speaker 2: she was in emotional distress, he wasn't forthcoming with that help.
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Speaker 2: So when it mattered, he was missing as well. Now,
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Speaker 2: he is generating, I've got to say, though, a lot
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Speaker 2: of positive press. But this insight from former Cabinet Minister
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Speaker 2: Lord Gove is really quite fascinating.
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Speaker 20: Fences are a great Whig family. They believe that the royals,
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Speaker 20: the House of Saxe-Coburg-Goethe, as far as they are concerned,
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Speaker 20: are upstarts, vulgar, mudbloods, as it were, whereas the Spencers
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Speaker 20: are pure-blooded aristocracy, and therefore he will have regarded his
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Speaker 20: daughter as marrying down when she consented to ally herself
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Speaker 20: with Charles. And you can remember when Charles Spencer was...
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Speaker 20: was seeking to co-opt Harry and William in the immediate
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Speaker 20: aftermath of Diana's death. He talked about their blood family.
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Speaker 20: And that phrase, which at the time might have seemed
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Speaker 20: slightly chilling, actually reflected the particular sense of aristocratic entitlement
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Speaker 20: that the Spencers have.
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Speaker 2: Fascinating insights there about the expenses. It's hard to believe
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Speaker 2: that marrying a future king would be seen beneath a woman, Kinsey.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I do think that there's some truth
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Speaker 17: to this Spencer pride, but Charles Spencer takes it even
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Speaker 17: further in this book. He claims apparently for the first
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Speaker 17: time on record that his own father was once intended
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Speaker 17: for Princess Elizabeth until Mountbatten intervened.
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Speaker 18: And we know Diana's father was absolutely thrilled about the
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Speaker 18: royal wedding.
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Speaker 17: So I'm not entirely buying this idea that the Spencer's
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Speaker 17: considered the Windsors beneath them, but I'm picking up what
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Speaker 17: he's laying down.
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Speaker 18: I understand where he's coming from.
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Speaker 2: And I want to play you this from royal expert
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Speaker 2: Richard Fitzwilliams because I think you're going to share his
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Speaker 2: suspicions that Harry and Meghan had some part to play
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Speaker 2: in the timing of these claims.
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Speaker 11: I'm absolutely certain that there was some form of collusion
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Speaker 11: to wait till now and when the king is unwell
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Speaker 11: but also deliberately timing all this just after Harry and
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Speaker 11: Meghan have come back.
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Speaker 3: Mackenzie, what do you make of that theory?
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Speaker 17: Well, we do know, according to page six, that Prince
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Speaker 17: Harry was not blindsided by these revelations. Page six reports
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Speaker 17: he knew what his uncle planned, and they allegedly discussed
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Speaker 17: the book with Charles Spencer when Harry and Meghan and
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Speaker 17: the children visited Althorp over the summer in July. So, yeah,
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Speaker 17: I'm on board with Richard Fitzwilliam's theory that the Sussexes
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Speaker 17: have a hand in this.
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Speaker 2: And Charles Spencer himself said that both William and Harry
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Speaker 2: will not be surprised by any of this. So he's
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Speaker 2: obviously divulged to them what he is planning to do.
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Speaker 3: Now let's stick with Prince Harry.
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Speaker 2: He's heading back to the US for an appearance at
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Speaker 2: Bill and Hillary Clinton's Global Initiative meeting in New York City.
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Speaker 2: This will be his second appearance at this talk, Les Kinsey.
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Speaker 9: If.
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Speaker 17: We go down, if Prince Harry has one intern, we
46:57
Speaker 17: could be going down the Charles Spencer route. He needs to,
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Speaker 17: he's hanging out with Bill Clinton. He might pick up
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Speaker 17: some bad habits. I'm a little concerned about it. But
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Speaker 17: one name on that lineup immediately jumped out on me,
47:07
Speaker 17: and that.
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Speaker 18: Was Chrissy Teigen. And we've discussed this before.
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Speaker 17: How Harry and Meghan have made combating online bullying a
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Speaker 17: major part of their platform. And Teigen is a well-documented
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Speaker 17: online bully, tearing into poor Courtney Stodden when she was
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Speaker 17: a teenager. I know Harry can't control the guest list here,
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Speaker 17: but if online accountability is a part of his brand,
47:28
Speaker 17: people are going to notice the contradiction that Harry and
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Speaker 17: Meghan keep associating with this woman who attacked a child
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Speaker 17: on the internet.
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Speaker 2: Not just attacked a child, but the... I can't even
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Speaker 2: repeat what she said or what she implored that child
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Speaker 2: to do.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it is just grotesque. And she has gone.
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Speaker 2: and tried to cleanse her social media history, deleted just
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Speaker 2: a load of posts that she volunteered to post. And
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Speaker 2: she posted these after she was famous. It wasn't like
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Speaker 2: something she posted as an obscure 20-year-old. This is stuff
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Speaker 2: she posted when she was a household name. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you've got to really question what is happening there.
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Speaker 3: Kinsey Schofield, always a pleasure.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. And that's all the time
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Speaker 2: we have. Don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 3: Late Edition is coming up next.