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226. "Alexa, Call 911" - The Case of Doctor Christopher Osborn - Dublin, Ohio · Least of These

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to least of these, where I cover the cases that need it most, because every life matters and everyone deserves justice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your house, Leah Dee, and today I'll be covering the case of Chris Osborne and double an Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get right to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Christopher Osborn was born on March 17, 1968 in Victorville, California.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A go-getter with a passion for helping others from the very beginning, Chris graduated from Parkway High School in Rockford, Ohio, and went on to graduate with a BS informancy from Ohio, Northern University.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he wasn't done there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1996, Chris became a doctor of osteopathy through Ohio University Heritage College.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A doctor of osteopathy or a DO is a fully licensed medical doctor with additional training in osteopathic manipulative treatment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They generally place an emphasis on preventative medicine and use a more whole person approach to treat their patients.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, kind of like a Western medical doctor using all the latest science and technology, that's just a touch holistic, or at least that's about the best way I can put it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyhow, Christopher Osborn became Dr. Christopher Osborn and by all accounts he was loved by his patients.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He always took the time to ensure he was giving the best care he could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He practiced for a while in Tennessee and then was back in Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Along the way, Chris had been married and divorced, and he and his wife had three children together, a son, his names a Christopher, and two daughters, Lauren and Rachel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing more important in Chris's life than his patients were his three children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to ABC6, by 2015, Dr. Osborne was practicing at Dublin Medical Clinic and was also a part-time doctor in the emergency room at Mary Routaine Hospital in Belthountain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He usually worked there two shifts a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course as an ER doctor, he had saved countless lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no doubt that Dr. Osborn was a hard worker who excelled at his job, but he wasn't always such a straight-laced professional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At times, he did like to hang up that white coat and have a little fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For Chris, that was either writing his motorcycle, listening to music, watching the Ohio State Buck eyes play, cooking, playing golf with friends, or spending time with his three children, who by this point were all grown up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps it was this side of Chris, the more fun-loving on serious side that caught the eye of a registered nurse working right there in the ER in Belfountain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her name was Holly Cole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was in her early 40s and had been working at the ER as a nurse for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to court testimony in late 2015, Chris and Holly Matt, they hit it off right from the start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The two began dating in January or February of 2016.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By April they were engaged and in September they were Mr. and Mrs. Christopher Osborne.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the span of around nine months they had gone from acquaintances to husband and wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a whirlwind, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like a whirlwind, sometimes it's easy to get caught up before you even realize what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At first things seemed to be going great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like the Osborns were living out a cheap predictable romance novel, the kind you know the ending to before you ever even cracked the book, the kind of story that
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[SPEAKER_00]: The kind in handsome doctor, falling in love with a younger, beautiful nurse, but things sure didn't stay that way for long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Early on in their relationship, before they were even married, there were allegations of embedality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly believed Chris had been unfaithful, and of course, that put a strain on their relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had tried to move past it and make things work, and for a little while it seemed they had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they did get married.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for Holly, moving past it, well that was easier said than done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As time passed, Holly became insecure and jealous, and to add fuel to the fire she began drinking alcohol even more excessively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their whirlwind romance quickly devolved into a firestorm of infidelity, jealousy, and with alcohol thrown in the mix, things were headed nowhere good at a cyclic rate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were talks of divorce, separations, and plenty of arguments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd break up, make up, rents, and repeat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But by the summer of 2018, both Holly and Chris had spoken to those closest to them, and it seemed the couple were headed for Splitzville, maybe for good this time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything started to really spiral out of control on July 13, 2018.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point that evening, Chris was talking to a female bartender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They exchanged phone numbers and Chris had texted the woman and sent a photo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Holly?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She knew pretty much immediately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, according to Holly herself and a police interview, she had access to his cell phone records through their Verizon family hub.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Though she could actually see the content of the message,
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[SPEAKER_00]: She could look and see anytime Chris had sent a text, took a call or received one, or sent a photo message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With Chris out with friends, she checked the activity that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she did, she found that Chris had sent a text and a photo to a number she wasn't familiar with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She confronted Chris about it which led to an argument.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Holly, Chris told her that it was all stupid, and he shouldn't have even texted the woman, but that nothing had happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had simply sent a photo of a tattoo he was thinking about getting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Holly, she had her doubts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the next day she reached out to the bartender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told the woman that she was Chris's wife and the bartender told her that she didn't know the man she had met the previous night was married.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, that nothing had happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She basically corroborated Chris's story and sent Holly the screenshots of their conversation, and that's all it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They exchanged numbers and Chris sent her a photo of a tattoo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, according to Holly, the woman never even responded to the messages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, according to court testimony, Holly told this bartender that she had asked Chris for a divorce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it appeared she was going to follow through, because two days later, Holly Osborn moved out of the home she shared with Chris and went to stay with her parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The following day on July 17, 2018, Chris worked at the clinic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After he got off work, he was back at home having dinner with his two daughters, Lauren and Rachel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were catching up on life and enjoying time with their dad, but both of them noticed that he appeared to be upset and confused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Lawrence later court testimony, she got to the house around 715 p.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They made dinner eight and were sitting around and talking and catching up on life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris was explaining why Holly wasn't there, and according to the girls, he seemed stressed and distraught.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Chris explained, Holly unexpectedly flung the door open and walked into the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She seemed angry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She pointed at Chris and said, I need to talk to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris got up and followed Holly into the bedroom, at this point it was between 830 and 9pm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris and Holly were in the bedroom for about five minutes when Chris came out and said they were going to go for a drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly came over to Lauren, gave her a hug and told her to tell her sister Rachel high.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went to leave but turned back to Lauren and said, take care of him okay, and then she walked out the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After Holly and Chris left, the sisters tried to make sense out of what exactly had just happened, and what Holly meant by take care of him, but neither one of them knew for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They both left their father's home around 945 pm with a feeling that something was off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The girls went back to Lauren's house on campus, as they were getting ready for bed that night around 1130 pm, Lauren was scrolling Instagram and saw a post that can surned her on Holly's feed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She took a screenshot and texted it to Chris, saying something along the lines of, hey dad, I don't know how everything went tonight, but I hope you're doing okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That Instagram post of Holly's read, if I died tomorrow, what would be the one thing you will
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lauren drifted off to sleep, still feeling unsettled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had no way of knowing that by morning someone would be dead, but it wouldn't be Holly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After leaving his daughter's that night, Chris and Holly Osborne went to a local park to talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This park was by the river and somewhere the couple had gone often, it was kind of their spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talked in the conversation went well enough that Holly decided to go back home with Chris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Holly, they made a stop for a few beers and went back to the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris had to work the next day so he pretty quickly went up to the bedroom, climbed in bed and went to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Holly had beer she still needed to finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to her own statements, she smokes cigarettes in the garage, polished off a few beers, took her medication which was volume, and that was the last thing she recalled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the American Addiction Center, mixing alcohol and volume can be deadly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The list of effects is about a mile long, but includes things like confusion, disorientation, brain damage, and also coma or death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a registered nurse, Holly would have known this, but she did it anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At approximately 7.30 a.m. on July 18, 2018, a 911 call came into the Dublin County dispatch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the line was Holly Osborn's father Ed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told the dispatcher that his daughter had told him that she'd blacked out and when she woke up her husband was dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He stated, I don't know, she says he's dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's an RN, but she's intoxicated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He explained that he was in a whole nother county, but his daughter had called him and asked him to call 911.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly had called her father from the kitchen of the home through her Alexa and remained on the line with them as he spoke to the dispatcher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the dispatcher instructed Holly to go into the room and render aid to her husband, Holly, who again, was a registered nurse, refused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Officers arrived on scene in minutes, and when they got to the home on Inshan and Drive, they found Dr. Christopher Osborne faced down in his bed with an apparent gunshot wound to the head and two guns on the floor next to the bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Officers found Holly in another room in the house, and according to those officers, she was noticeably impaired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Responding officer Gwen Whittaker later testified and said, she was very unsteady on her feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had glassy and bloodshot eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was slurring her speech incredibly bad to the point I had to ask her to repeat names two or three times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly told the officer that she had been drinking and had taken her prescription medication.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When asked what had happened that morning, Holly told the officer's on scene that she had woken up around 6.30 a.m., went to the garage to smoke cigarettes, and when she made it back inside the house, Chris was still in bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She found it odd, but went on to say that sometimes he slept later after working a long shift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went into the bedroom to check on him and when she did she noticed blood, made several unsuccessful attempts to call 911 and was ultimately able to call her father through Alexa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As the scene at the Osborne Home was processed, Dublin police transported Holly to the Dublin Justice Center because she was far too intoxicated to drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was placed in a room, but she was still to impair dance or questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So police brought her a blanket, allowed her to take a nap, gave her soup and water, and allowed time for her to sober up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At around 10-15am, Holly consented to a gunshot residue test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Police actually had to wake her up to do that test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Swabs were taken of her hands and face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even after a few hours of soup and naps, Holly still seemed to inebriated for a formal interview.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So officers continued to let her sleep it off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At approximately 250pm, 7 hours after that 911 call had been made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly's formal interview finally began.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Holly?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, even after sobering up, she didn't remember much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know whether or not she slept than I before, and if she did sleep, she surely didn't remember where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All she knew was that she was shocked when she opened the bedroom door and found Chris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As the interview went on, Holly made several contradictory statements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At one point, she told police, Chris had worked
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[SPEAKER_00]: What she knew for sure, though, was that they had gone down to that park by the river to talk earlier that night, stopped on the way home to get beer, and when they got home, he went to bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She took her volume, finished her beer, and that's all she knew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She then broke down crying and said the next memory is her walking into the bedroom and sing blood around Chris's pillow, but she never went into the room because she was too scared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To scare to touch Chris, two scared despite her many years as a nurse to render any aid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went looking for her phone but couldn't find it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She found Chris's phone but couldn't get it unlocked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not because she didn't know the passcode because she certainly knew his passcode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She couldn't get it unlocked because it was an android and she was used to an iPhone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she tried to get Alexa to call 911 but Alexa wasn't cooperating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she called her dad through Alexa, who as we know called 911.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly went on to talk about her marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She described her relationship with Chris as quote fantastic 90% of the time and told investigators that they argued over the dumbest things the other 10%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said that their relationship was like a roller coaster, but she adamantly denied that things had ever gotten physical between them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Investigators asked her about guns in the home, and she casually described guns both she and Chris own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when the interview took a turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, through all of the talking, not once did Holly ask what had happened to Chris, or why there was blood on his pillow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She just answered the questions, breaking down and crying intermittently, but not once did she directly ask, like, what the hell happened to my husband?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly didn't have to ask, investigators were going to tell her anyway, after casually discussing guns, one of the investigators stated, so here's the thing, Chris had been shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At that point, Holly lost it, crying hysterically stating, why would someone shoot him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She rambled in coherently and then said, I don't know right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She then went on to talk about the neighbors, and why no one would have done anything if they had heard it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She stated, I need to figure out what I was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was I out walking?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was I in the garage smoking?
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[SPEAKER_00]: At that point, it seemed it had started to sink in that investigators were looking directly at her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Chris had been shot dead in his sleep, and Holly was the only other person in the house at night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly told investigators that she didn't think she wanted to answer any more questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They walked out of the room and gave her some time to think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they returned, Holly did continue talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told detectives about the bartender and how she had reached out to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She questioned again why the neighbors didn't hear anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when questioned why she didn't, she said that when she takes volume an alcohol,
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[SPEAKER_00]: When asked if there was any reason she'd have gunshot residue on her, Holly said she may have fired a gun with her cousin on the previous Saturday, but she just couldn't remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she was shown a photo of the gun that took Chris's life, she said that it looked like his, and that everybody knew the couple had guns in the home, but she didn't understand why they would shoot Chris, but still nothing from the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure police were wondering the exact same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Holly stated that she wasn't the beneficiary of anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She just straight offered that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The police hadn't even mentioned a beneficiary or a life insurance policy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When asked if there was any reason her DNA would be on Chris's gun, Holly claimed that she may have fired it a week or two ago at her parents' house, but again, she just wasn't sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, Holly wasn't sure about anything, other than the fact that she was done talking to police.
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[SPEAKER_00]: About 2.5 hours after the formal interview began, Holly asked for an attorney, and that was that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly walked out of the interview room and investigators shifted their focus to evidence of the scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris had been found face down in his bed with not one, not two, but three gunshot wounds to his head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two guns had been found on the floor next to the bed, one of them being Chris's own 38 caliber handgun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to later court testimony, Chris had been shot in the right side of his jaw, the top of his head, and in the nose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two of those three injuries would have been fatal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The medical examiner also noted widespread stippling surrounding one of the wounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stippling or gunshot stippling is the presence of tiny pung-tate marks around a gunshot wound, caused by gunpowder particles hitting the skin when a firearm is fired at close or intermediate range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking of ranges and forensics when it comes to stippling, there are three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's contact or close range, which means the gun is pressed against the skin or very close, usually less than six inches away when fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then there's an immediate range which occurs from a few inches to less than 18 inches away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And finally, and determine it, meaning the gun was far enough away that there is no stippling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Chris's case, the wide spacing of the stippling observed around his wounds told the medical examiner that the gun had been fired at an intermediate range, meaning the gun was in close proximity to Chris when it was fired, but not directly in contact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because there were three gunshot wounds to a witch would have been fatal, fired from an intermediate range, the medical examiner ruled that Chris Osborn had been murdered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bullets taken from Chris's body in the mattress had matching characteristics of the 30 caliber gun found next to the bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In addition to that, testing revealed that Holly Osborn's hands and eyebrows both tested positive for gunshot residue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And further DNA testing showed that the only DNA found on that 38 caliber gun belonged to none other than Holly Osborn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, testing wasn't all police were up to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also interviewed those closest to Chris Osborne.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His daughters, co-workers, and his assistant, and they all painted a picture of a marriage and trouble and a woman with a serious issue with alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to interrogation files, Chris had invited in his assistant that Holly was drinking too much and would get confrontational at times, getting in his face and pushing him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their home life could be volatile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And with all of that, investigators confronted Holly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was brought back in for another interview, only this time investigators knew she had tested positive for gunshot residue, and that her DNA was found on the gun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They asked her again to walk them through the events that unfolded, leading up to Chris's murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And low and behold, she stood and remembered Jack's shit about that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, in this second interview, it appeared she recalled even less than the first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She just didn't remember anything, not even text messages and vestigators uncovered that she had sent to her daughter that night, text messages in which she complained about Chris, and a miss call placed from Holly to her daughter at 223AM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She certainly didn't remember that post on Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know the one about if I die tomorrow?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when confronted with it, Holly told detectives that she was talking about herself, and that she was depressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I'm sure you can guess by now, investigators weren't buying any of her story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when she was confronted with the results of the testing, Holly seemed to point the blame at someone she claimed Chris owed money to, or an unknown intruder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or anyone in every one but herself, and when her back was against the wall, she asked for a lawyer and stormed out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll let you hear it for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you tell me when you found him, the door was cracked to the bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what I remember, yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would put my cards on the table.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, because I have the gunshot residue test back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have the DNA test back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, your DNA is the only DNA on the gun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Chris is DNA's not only a gun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The gunshot residue, off of the hole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The gunshot residue, all right, was at the level that was so high that they reached their maximum intestine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, and when people break into a house
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't close the better ignore, just to a crack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Ollie, listen to me, if I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What kind of say is I know you shot Chris?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not shoot him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ollie, did they not shoot him?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is what I think happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because of the man who thinks set up, you were posting stuff that makes me think that, that is there to go again, they can pull him all over again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, this is not going to be a close stop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: like you have more of a kind of tips in the past.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so...
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was so hurt in it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's what I think happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because when you shot him, you didn't kill him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't go shot wounds, did not kill him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not see him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you were going to... After you killed him, because this is going too far, you're going to be ready to lose you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you're taking anybody with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And here's a joke, you shoot him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is no other explanation for this all it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no other item in here than any explanations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I already gave you everything I know and I did not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no other explanation for all it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe just books in here in House of Wayne and Wishingstone, but BJ did not have any $1,000.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just tell you that for 27 years, I've been doing this job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I can understand the wrong behind you now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Very wrong, why?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I didn't do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The whole of the evidence says a lie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're not the one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The evidence is not lying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then how would I fit there?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what proof is?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And everything else?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was no memory.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How did you explain it to me?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You guys have no such society that I'm floating in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and you get bruises all the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People know you got you to run back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know tell me you were going to understand periodically and you're not going to hold back out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me go down the stairs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You fall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am not sitting there and fall everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do not want you to admit that he is shooter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because back until now, you've never said anything about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to lie here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the last time Holly Osborn sat down to talk with that a lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That clip is from interrogation files on YouTube, and if you're interested in hearing both the polys interviews in their entirety, I'll be dropping a link in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was all damning enough, but Holly wasn't immediately arrested, and she walked out of that interview room, a free woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that wouldn't last long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Further testing in regard to the GSR and DNA was conducted, and the case was ultimately put in front of a grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, on April 12 of 2019, nine months after Dr. Chris Osborne was murdered, Holly was indicted on two counts of murder with firearm enhancements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first count was for purposely causing the death of Chris Osborne, and the second for causing the death and an attempt to commit a felony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That felony, of course, being a soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those were obviously serious charges,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Court TV reported that Holly Osborne posted her $500,000 bail, and went home on house arrest two months after she was charged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd be able to remain at home while she awaited trial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Holly Ozborn's case made its way to trial in September of 2020 through her attorneys, Holly filed a motion to suppress the evidence from the gunshot residue test as well as statements obtained during the formal interview.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She claimed the GSR test was an unconstitutional search and that the statement she made were inadmissible because she was intoxicated and unable to
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[SPEAKER_00]: But over a year later, on July 12th, 2021, the Trial Court denied Holly's motion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The court found that probable cause existed at the time the GSR test was performed, and therefore the warrantless search was justified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The court also found that Holly statements were admissible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On September 26, 2022, Holley's murder trial began.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just want to say here real quick, because it's gonna come up with the defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But part of the reason this case took so long to get to trial was due to delayed testing and court proceedings because of the COVID-19 pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, wasn't everything delayed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: back to the trial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Prosecutors alleged that Holly had killed Chris because he had cheated early on in their relationship, and she'd been insecure and jealous ever since, and that her excessive drinking had driven a wedge between them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The prosecution then laid out the days leading up to Chris's murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 13, Holly found that text message written to the bartender that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She and Chris argued,
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 14th, Holly confronted the woman Chris texted and told her she's asked Chris for a divorce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 16th, Holly moved out of the house to stay with her parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 17th, Holly interrupts Chris's dinner with his daughters and shows up to the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Five minutes later, they left together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's prosecutor China Kelly describing the state's theory on what happened after leaving their
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they together went to a local park.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They went to a spot that was known as Bear's Bot and talked for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when they were done talking, they drove back to their home and the defendant decided to stay the night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Osmore went to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The defendant didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She stayed up
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[SPEAKER_01]: got off the phone and began to text her daughter about her frustrations in her marriage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is around 11 o'clock at night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After they text, she stopped texting her daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then she caught her daughter yet again at 2 am on July 18th, but there was no answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll learn that in the early hours of July 18th, the defendant couldn't take it anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She went to a nightstand, located in their shared room, next to their bed, her and Dr. Osborn, Sped, and she armed herself with one of the handguns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A 38 caliber revolver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She aimed at and shot Dr. Osborn three times in the head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll hear from neighbors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that her loud noises bays in the early hours of July 18th of 2018.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The defendant was unable to call the police, so she used her Amazon Alexa to call her father and he in turn called the police for help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Evidence will show that although she's a registered nurse, she refused to provide life saving aid to her husband.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The responding officers arrived on scene and was met by the defendant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she was so impaired, she couldn't provide any meaningful evidence or information I should say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's system in their investigation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When it was the defense's turn for opening statements, Jason and Min claimed that his client was far too and he berated to have pulled the trigger that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that the state didn't really have any evidence to prove that Holly had murdered her husband.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's Jason and Min in opening statements.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The court will talk about the burden of proof here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They will tell you that the state has that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The state has told.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We accept that we have to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have told you, hold them to that burden.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, all we're going to ask of each and every one of you is to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To follow your admonitions, to follow your oath, and to follow the law in this case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This Kelly got up here to lay out the state's case for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I will tell you, they painted in very broad strokes about what this case is about and how they planned to present as you heard half of the opening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A full half was, hey,
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was angry because they were breaking up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was angry that there have been inventalities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was angry that this relationship was ending.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was what they spent half their time discussing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is why we're here and why there's a mode of friend of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here to tell you there's more to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here to tell you that this is in a case where you're going to get to hear broad strokes and think that's everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, this case is not the details.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a case where you will have to look at it closely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things we planned, we anticipate hearing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about the evidence that they collected at the scene?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about the evidence as it was there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We want you to look at them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys have questions about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What did they see when they got there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How was Hollywood's born after?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does that play into a story about someone being able to pull the trigger?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does those officers interact with them?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What did they do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The crime scenes to make sure that they were protected from any type of contaminations?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is this gunshot residue, logistics and DNA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are all three subjects that are in wall shows every night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are things that we probably have some passing information on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look closely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look closely at what that science actually sets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The closely at what is telling you in what you can conclude from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The defense was suggesting that not only was Holly not capable of pulling the trigger that night that the police could have contaminated the scene, that there were some significance as to when evidence had been tested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as we discussed before, many of the delays were due to the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they were going to use that to paint a picture of either incompetence or ill-will on the part of the investigators and prosecution, and having no real theory other than their client was in guilty, the defense attempted to pick apart the state's evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the prosecution brought it all together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All in all, they called 15 witnesses over nine days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The jury heard from multiple neighbors, forensic experts, police officers, detectives, Bureau of Criminal Investigation Agents, and Chris's two daughters, Lauren, and Rachel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The two sisters testified about their father's roller coaster relationship with Holly, and how she had stormed in the house the last night their dad was alive, demanding to speak with Chris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lauren testified about the heartbreak of learning that her father had been killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To add to that heartbreak, the family had learned of Chris's passing through news articles posted online.
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[SPEAKER_00]: neighbors testified about hearing loud bangs at night, and police officers and detectives testified about how a neberated holly was when they arrived on scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Jacob Williams told the jury that he had downloaded about 500 text messages between Chris and Holly from the six months prior to Chris's death, those messages ranged from affectionate to argumentative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were arguments about Holly's drinking, allegations of infidelity and an overwhelming undertone of jealousy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were messages in which Holly asked Chris for passwords to his email and online accounts and indicated that she was tracking his location as well as the messages and calls on his phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris actually told her at one point that he didn't think they should remain married.
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[SPEAKER_00]: BCI agents explained to the jury that the bullets recovered from Chris's body and the mattress had matching characteristics with one of the guns found on the floor next to the bed where Chris was found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another agent testified that the results of the GSR test on Onhali was positive, indicating that either she had fired a gun or was standing in the vicinity of a firearm when it was shot or that she had touched something with GSR on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Forensic scientists Martin Lewis explained that GSR generally remains on hands for four to six hours after a weapon has been fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Forensic experts in the medical examiner explained that Chris's death was a homicide and not a suicide.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The gun had been fired from close intermediate range, but was not in direct contact with Chris, not to mention the fact that three shots had been fired, two of which would have been fatal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And perhaps the most glaring evidence of all, BCI agent Nicole Osbach told the jury that Holly was the single source DNA profile on the gun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That shared the matching characteristics with the bullets taken from Chris's body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her DNA was the only DNA found on that weapon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The defense tried to pick apart the state's witnesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly's attorneys claimed that the police weren't careful enough at the scene, and that's how G.S.R ended up on her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They questioned the timeline of when evidence was sent out for further testing, and why you'd had taken so long for Holly to be arrested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The defense team called no witnesses of their own and instead claimed that the prosecution failed to eliminate doubt and that there were quote reasonable alternative explanations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the GSR, that was only there because police weren't careful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all these DNA on the murder weapon?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, she might have shot that gun prior, or maybe she put it in the nightstand once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That DNA didn't really mean anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no proof that Holly had murdered anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Defense Attorney Kevin Gaul stated, There's no proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no tangible proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the jury will they didn't agree, and on October 6th of 2022, Holly was found guilty on all counts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: guilty of both counts of murder and both firearms specifications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nearly a month later on November 3, everyone was gathered back in the courtroom for sentencing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Columbus dispatch reported on the proceeding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At sentencing, Chris's daughter accused Holly of draining her father's bank account of more than $40,000 after he died and taking furniture from his home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She talked about the heartbreak of losing her father compounded by the disrespect Holly had shown her family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She stated, I cried myself to sleep and then had nightmares and my sleep of her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was constantly on edge and looking over my shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't even go to the cemetery for a year to properly mourn, because I was afraid that she would be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She desecrated his grave multiple times with tributes to their marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris's brother Tony also spoke through tears, as he said in part, one senseless selfish act and you took my mother's first born child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You took Christopher, Lauren, and Rachel's father, and he was a great father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You took my only sibling, my big brother, and my best friend in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You took a great caring doctor who won't be able to have a positive impact on his patient's lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly Osborne was ultimately sentenced to 15 years to life with a mandatory consecutive 36-month sentence for the firearm specification.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So 18 years to life in total.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On November 15, 2022, an appeal was filed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly claimed everything from the trial court made an error denying the motion to suppress those statements because she was under the influence of drugs and or alcohol at the time of her interview, to that they made an error allowing the 500 text messages, and that the evidence failed to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some other claims in there as well, five in total.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I won't waste your time, because the appeal court affirmed the trial court's rulings and the jury's verdict.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly Osborn is currently serving her sentence at the Ohio Reformatory for Women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her first parole hearing is tentatively scheduled for June of 2004-D. She will be 64 years old at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly Osborn had choices that night, if she was unhappy in her marriage divorce was an option, and it seemed Chris wouldn't have contested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had already left, and she had a place to go, but yet she stormed through the doors of Chris's home demanding to speak with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris likely thought things had cooled down enough as he laid his head down on his pillow and drifted off to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Holly and a mix of prescription pills and booze stood about every slight, every perceived transgression, the invidelity both real and imagined.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, she pulled a gun from the nightstand, stood over her husband, and fired three shots while he was completely helpless.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While domestic violence largely affects women, men are victims too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, one in four women and one in ten men experience sexual violence, physical violence, and or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Women are more susceptible to physical and sexual violence, while men are less likely to report out of fear, or embarrassment, or maybe a combination of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Domestic violence doesn't always look like beatings in bruises.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's more subtle, but it is always about control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Chris's case, Holly knew his every move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had access to his online accounts, access to his location, and access to every message sent or received from his phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She monitored his movements, his messages, and likely knew what he was doing before he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly exerted an abusive level of control over Chris Osborne, and it's clear she had a substance abuse issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she consumed alcohol, she became confrontational.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As we've talked about before, when you throw substance abuse on top of an already volatile situation, it's a recipe for disaster and can quickly spiral out of control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holly's actions that night took a son from his mother, a brother from a brother, a father from his son and daughters, and a respected doctor from his patients.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Chris Osborn dedicated his life to saving and improving the lives of others, and that is what he should be remembered for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He improved the lives of every patient that walked in his practice and saved countless others, either at the clinic or in the emergency room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's Dr. Osborne and his own words, he said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My philosophy is to put the patient first, provide physical and emotional comfort, and strive for the best care possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that practicing medicine is an art.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A physician's knowledge prior experience, insight and technical ability all come together when evaluating and treating patients.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The importance of compassion and dedication cannot be over-emphasized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single patient deserves the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't leave today without mentioning that if you or someone you love is a victim of domestic violence, there are resources to help you get started on your path to freedom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the US resources can be found at thehotline.org.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's free, confidential, and someone is available to help you plan your path to freedom 247.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As always, those resources can be found in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And remember, the hotline is not only for the victims, if you're a friend or family member of the victim, there are resources there for you too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that my friends is all I've got for this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And until next time, be good to each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, it really is good to be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really miss talking to y'all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope everybody had a good time over the holidays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does anyone else get legitimately sad when they're all over?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because y'all, I am struggling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still have one Christmas tree up and I just don't have the heart to take it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I live for October to December every year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when it's over, I'm always just a little sad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was glad to get back and be able to talk to Yoko's, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enough about my holiday ending issues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one was a suggestion by one of you out there, and let me just tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Watching all the interviews, I was shook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first interview Holly describes all the medications she was taking, and y'all, I'm not exactly sure how she was functioning as a nurse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get into it in the episode because I just didn't think it was that relevant, but Holly claims she was diagnosed with lupus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do understand that that can be a debilitating disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I completely get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know it comes with pain and all sorts of problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And medication is often needed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But homegirl was talking about giving herself injections of all kinds of sedatives and just like, oh yeah, well, this one doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just take another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that doesn't work, I finish it off with a beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually have known people with lupus
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she tried to blame everything on her medication and drinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But hello, you're all whole ass registered nurse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She knew better than to be mixing value without the whole and whatever else she took that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Worthings fuzzy, I'm certain that they were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you just can't tell me that she confidently remembers everything up to the murder and everything after and just so happens to not remember the actual murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a damn lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she knows exactly what happened that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I had to guess, I'd say they got home and she wanted to continue the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris just wanted to go to bed since he had to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she just sat out there in the garage, drinking and smoking and stewing about everything the man had ever done wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she became enraged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She tried to call her daughter, but she didn't answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she decided she'd settle it once and for all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe the reason there were two guns is because she planned on taking her own life,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it all boils down to she was pissed off so she shot him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably Drankin smokes a more and tried to concoct the story, but she was too drunk to do that so she called 911.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She refused to render aid because she knew the man was dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so frustrating because divorce was an option.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always an option.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris wasn't some violent man that she was afraid of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She could have just left, but in my opinion she wanted to get revenge and she ruined so many lives in the process, including her own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really hope that she spends closer to the heavy end of that sentence and is behind bars for the rest of her life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: anyone who can stand over a helpless sleeping human being and fire off three shots doesn't deserve to ever walk the streets again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's about all I got to say about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Y'all know I love you more in my luggage and I can't wait to talk at you next week, but until then, bye-bye-bye!