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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of A Town Called Mercy · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to handsome blunt.
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  Penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  Anniversary is of the first time, I recorded in your
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  you, he's Willie is not now. Oh no.
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  That's why we're here today. Well we could have recorder
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  hamster hamster, or for an episode of a much-maligned
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  season. Yes, of New Hope.
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  Yes. Much wind will usually by you.
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  It is, I, I think this season is the worst season of new who,
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  however, I think this is a stunningly good episode.
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  Yes, proof if it was ever needed that gold can be found, buried
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  amongst any kind of shit. Exactly.
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  That's what I always think about under the lake, which is the
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  gold in them in my least favorite season of Doctor.
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  Who did you have a classic season but you don't like but
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  there's something in it. You really like what?
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  This is. Victor.
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  I don't think there's a classic season that I don't like there
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  are lots that. Taken as a whole, they are very
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  wearing like season 15, which has real Highs, but as a whole,
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  or if I'm wrong. Yeah.
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  But as a whole, you know, you watch the one after the other
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  and you've got lots of. Yeah.
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  Age-old. Address at the end of the
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  season. Yeah.
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  Why you get to? Yeah.
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  And it's a bit of a slog overall but actually I think no, I
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  annoying is wears me down a bit. Yeah, just stop, stop stop.
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  Has the Paladin by. Not that one of these on there
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  that are like, shit, you know? I haven't done that.
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  Oh, I'll tell you off camera. Alright, fair enough, everyone's
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  a little contentious to be re-recorded.
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  Sure right. Okay, so we are talking about a
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  town called Mercy. We are they which is the it was
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  sort of movie of the week. Well, that's the idea, wasn't
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  it? Yeah, that everything because
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  I'd been so off base. It's the year before and haven't
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  quite worked. Yeah.
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  That Steven Moffat in the usual Steven Moffat way when no that
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  didn't work. We're gonna try something
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  completely different and everything's got to be big and
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  bold and have a movie poster. Yes, and has a stroke.
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  And then they changed the logo every week, and made the title
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  sequence worse every single week while putting Photoshop filters
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  over. Yeah.
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  And this is absolutely. Now, I think, I genuinely think
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  this is one of Matt Smith's best perform.
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  Yeah, I've been, this is one of his best stories, but I think
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  after Amy and Rory leaves is where his performance
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  essentially devolves into a series of tics and quirks and
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  the writing does as well. Yes.
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  I don't think the writing supports him particularly well,
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  and they such a shame because I think his performance in series
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  5 as mush, it loves me to say, it's some of the best doctors
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  perform. This is there are, yeah, because
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  he's completely unhindered by any kind of history and he's
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  just making it up and he's really inspired by what he's got
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  to work with that said I miss them vulnerable.
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  Matt Smith in Vincent and the doctor.
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  Yeah. Is think it's superb possible.
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  Yeah and this is and I've been Once the writers latch onto
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  certain things in his performance then that's all.
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  He's got to hook it on. Whereas in the early days he was
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  just going wherever he wanted because the scripts weren't
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  necessarily tailored for him specifically.
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  They were tailored for his doctor or so Sally was waving
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  the screwdriver her time. Yeah.
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  And you know like very it was all and you say wearying that's
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  a good word. I think that the doctor I was
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  like, oh you just go. All right.
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  The Grump, I always think it's a shame in some ways that
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  nightmare in silver wasn't earlier in his rum because I
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  think good doctor versus Bad Doctor.
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  I said earlier idea is brilliant and he should have done it
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  really well but it didn't quite come together in the way that it
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  should have done. It should have been really
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  interesting and but it just didn't quite gel.
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  I think it's a real shame because in series 7 Which I
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  write a lot. I really like dinosaurs on a
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  spaceship town called Mercy. Power of free, pop, the last
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  minutes and H take man and the snowman as well.
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  Wow, but I think, you know me, I am not an advocate for Matt.
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  Smith's doctor you are not or for Karen gillan's.
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  Amy Poehler. No, a door, Rory all the way
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  through, but there is something very magical about their
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  characterization in this season, where there's suddenly digits
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  all very comfortable with each other, and they're just having
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  fun Amy's, kind of dish. Esther anxieties apart from
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  Asylum of the Daleks, you'll know I did not mention that.
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  And she's very confident, and she's this sort of, I don't
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  know, she's like this ideal companion, that I feel like she
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  could have been all along, she's investigating in dinosaurs and
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  especially if she's calling him out in this one, calling them
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  out in this one power free. It's that wonderful thing about
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  them, their home life, yet away from him and not being quite
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  able to him useful scene between them outside.
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  Yeah. Oh yes.
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  And then Angels, Take Manhattan where she finally makes that
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  choice. Choose Rory over the doctor
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  which is should be done. Like you just fine for entirety
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  and I'll tell you it happened years back.
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  No I'm not too sure about that site before we go into the
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  carpentry. Yes I believe that you have done
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  a little bit of I did throw it out to the hand fan.
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  Hello, ham fan. Hello everybody.
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  Will some questions? So I've got some very
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  interesting ones. There's one here from Doc
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  oh-hoo-hoo-hoo. Ever, he is Allah says have you
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  read that blog of it? Yeah it goes quite slow
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  disabilities insightful yeah a charismatic intelligent.
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  What's the asking is Doc oh ho really handsome.
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  Well that's me. It's huge.
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  Oh well sorry what someone of course it is straightaway.
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  Okay well I suppose some of these questions to you because
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  we have Seagal. 19 overall wasn't a roping as a 19-0.
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  My word I can't find the thread. Now you better right guys?
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  Well I'm okay. Well there was a question from
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  our great friend Fraser Gregory. Which says why are you doing the
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  girl who waited? This is because we've had a long
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  contentious conversation this week about why we gots do which
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  stories we're doing, and why we're not doing it because we
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  love you. Yes.
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  And also because I flipped locked And remember the story
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  that I like even more that hadn't been done.
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  I've got a question for you. Okay from lit roundels.
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  Oh yeah right lovely look around us.
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  Yeah look at that little Avatar picture.
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  He's very handsome, isn't he? It's just up.
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  The road is Rosalee, we got his number not on my notes.
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  If a town called Mercy, was your first Doctor Who episode would
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  it have made you a fan. Whoo.
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  Now it's very, that's a really really great question.
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  That is a great question so is every story?
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  Yeah, absolutely. Only because there are some that
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  you can instantly. See, yes, this would have done.
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  This is as we will find out when we do the commentary itself,
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  raises really interesting questions about the morality of
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  the doctor. And it's very interesting and I
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  think if this was your first story, I think that would be
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  something that you might get your hands on and big.
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  Yeah, I could could go for this. Like, but it also depends I
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  think whether you like westerns up which I generally don't know
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  if I like this one, too. Doctor Who restaurants?
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  However, Was visually stunning? Yeah.
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  Oh absolutely. It's HD, isn't it?
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  There's yeah they moved HD. Yeah, with Matt's well with the
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  specials, at the end of season, 14 May series for.
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  But yeah, and I don't know, is it?
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  I really doctor Hui idea, though?
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  Or is this A Sci-Fi story that you could tell in other series,
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  does that make a difference about whether it would make you
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  a doctor who fan is a very, very it is a very good question,
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  isn't it? Because this is the client, this
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  is also, I think it feels like a very Star Trek, the Next
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  Generation idea of their meeting someone who's morally ambiguous,
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  because it's like that. Does what he's done now?
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  Pencil out his crimes. Yeah, it's not very Doctor Who
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  which is what I think is interesting about.
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  Yeah, why --this why --this stands out?
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  So I'm not sure whether it's a would make you a fan of Doctor
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  Who, but if you're a fan of sci-fi, this is a very yeah,
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  although, this is where they started with the doctors travels
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  got off in time and space anywhere.
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  And they went to this Western. Yeah, I would say it's a very
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  strange place to start. Yes, somewhere in the first
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  season. Maybe.
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  Yeah. Once everything is that, as you
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  gonna say that, For the Next Generation episode.
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  Yes, what does I've seen them all this pain?
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  The data's. Yeah.
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  Oh, what is directed by Patrick Stewart?
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  Yeah language. Yeah, it's very self-indulgent.
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  Yes comparison, okay, well one more question.
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  Okay, before we going, all right, I do it.
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  Should we should we actually do the question that was asked
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  three or four times. Okay, well off you go.
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  So my lovely old friend, I shouldn't say old friend, my
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  lovely friend Jillian. Ask this question as did some
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  other people and one that we scroll through here, it's a very
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  important question is the always magnificent Pete, Lambert's or
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  sis question and lovely hand from member or all?
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  Remember Joe's shorts. Oh yes, this question bleep.
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  No more is waiting for you, which is Why isn't there a song?
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  Would it be improved to be improved with a song?
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  There's only one answers that question and that is yes, yes.
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  And as David ready. Lovely David Randy says, can you
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  imagine if Linda burum had made a cameo singing in the bar down?
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  Because she was on the books at this point because she's back
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  wide and 70 closing time could have just cut They would have
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  been a lovely, lovely being for the fans.
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  Well, just For Your Entertainment and edification.
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  Okay, I believe we've got some lyrics here as written by hand
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  fan member. Steven Alexander right, well,
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  what's he done now? There were Cowboys and stuff all
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  around the place. Amy said, talk to your very old.
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  See, oh no. Got it.
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  All wrong dr. Rolled this way, any pulled her
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  face and all this happened in a town called Mercy, I'll bring
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  back Linda, powered. All Is Forgiven.
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  Thanks. Thanks for the lyrics.
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  So Steven, even though it went a bit wrong.
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  Yes, well I never mind. So I think we should study
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  episode okay? Because people will indulge us
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  to answer to idiots so we're gonna head into the episode now
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  but we'll do some more questions.
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  Yeah. Well that.
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  Oh yeah. And there's some more questions
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  at the end and some some things we will touch on as we go along.
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  I believe, excuse me. What are you going to be
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  touching as you go along questions?
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  Joe. Nice.
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  Try, you dirty bitch. Okay, right, well count with me
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  in five, four, three, two, one. Go ride em, cowboy.
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  Oh god, I've got the sound all hang out, sound odd.
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  But no saint, but we've got an opening narration.
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  We don't get opening narration very often.
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  Do we do? You know what you've got?
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  You've got to misdirections in the opening.
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  Yes, because Looks like it's going to be a Sci-Fi moon
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  adventure. Well, she says about a man who
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  came into town from yeah, stars, who is supposed to bring?
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  That is Doctor Who, right? And then he says, oh, I'm
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  looking for the Doctor, Who is he?
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  I think he's talking about the docks are right and in both
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  cases it's not the doctor. No laughing, that's very clever.
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  I just like to give a shout out to fellow hand fan member
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  Brandon Jones, who I watch this episode with when it was first
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  broadcast and we had agreed. A yes, we we could come up with
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  a theory. I think that in series 7 a
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  there's going to be something about flickering like bulbs,
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  that were going to be really important because they're in
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  every bloody sorry doll accessories, Focus.
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  Yeah, I think, you know what? It was going to be something.
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  Oh and right. And then go about it.
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  He had a lot on his plate and 7p he did.
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  They've made these not great titles.
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  Look, even worse. Here happened there.
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  Yeah. Well you can't really see what's
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  really there. It's all very yellow.
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  And what are the clouds all about those?
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  Someone said it's like the Gaviscon advert that was on.
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  Yes. Gold complex.
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  Yes, although we say that both the vampires of Venice and
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  school reunions both are stories that are sorted out by switching
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  things off. I will so vampires of Venice.
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  I do me a very great if I'm honest.
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  I think. I think it's, that's his most
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  trihard or yes. I think he's doing something
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  quite clever with the Western because he does touch upon all
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  the cliches. Yes.
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  But man, westerns are dry as dust.
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  Uh-huh. And like, you get like the
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  places that they filmed. This is a lot of fun.
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  There's a lot of energy out here.
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  We've got got strangers coming into town, The everyone is
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  carrying away. We're going to walk into the
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  tavern and excuse me, if Amy Pond walked into your town.
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  Yeah, I don't get carried away. Look at and you've got the bit
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  where they walk into the into the tavern, and it all goes
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  silent is all the cliches that you want.
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  While he goes, what was it? I'll have tea.
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  Yes, make it strong. The bag is trying to choose a
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  stick. Uh-huh, Jerry so cute in this.
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  He is And this is how I've been kept his doctor.
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  This is he's trying to be cool but he's just not know what, but
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  he is, but he is because he's got a weird Paradox.
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  Exactly, I. So, here we go, we've got the
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  thugs in the bar here. Yeah, we've got people and I've
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  returning Doctor Who star, what in that bar, in that bar, as the
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  Undertaker, we've got Gary hagen.
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  Oh, chi chi. Yes.
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  No. Really Jerry talking alaria
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  sadness, do you know the bit where?
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  Yeah, you got the bar went. Yeah, son.
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  You could stay just one thing, Matt Smith does exceedingly.
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  Well, I know you're gonna say, does a lot is, say, yes.
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  Is he does play the old man in the young man's.
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  But, yes, there are those carrot cake.
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  I see spice. I did not know that it's been a
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  long time since the mutant is very, pretty, was very pretty
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  nice. Um, so it's number know, you got
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  those people's numbers, you know, and there's something
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  about that specific moment. I really want to talk about it
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  later. Okay.
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  One particular scene, which I think is one of the best scenes
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  in knew, who I know the one you're going to talk about
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  because I don't think Matt Smith plays angra anger very well.
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  And in this episode, he does something so interesting with
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  the scene. Where he's angry.
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  Yes, I'll put that on pause. Wait till the I said cuz he's
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  now Billy Chops out, that's it. We're about to be introduced to
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  the delicious Ben Browder. We are.
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  Oh, my goodness. So sorry, would you rather than
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  just been prouder? Oh my goodness, I love Ben
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  Browder. So, you met him.
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  I did meet a guy. I met him at.
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  Gallifrey, Gallifrey the convention.
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  Gallifrey one back in the day in 2013, so not long after he'd
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  done this. And he still had the mustache
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  and he was looking mighty. Fine.
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  I have to say can you say You touched his ass.
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  I did. We had the photos taken by a
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  very good thing to have done, but how could you not?
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  I was quite excited because I was massive fan of Farscape.
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  Yes, came out, I've got box it in the other room and I so I
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  figured oh wow. This is going to be a like a
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  massive party actually is it says it's a surprisingly small
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  part and he's bumped off about Bruce Willis.
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  Yeah. And it's a shame.
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  Yes, he's really, really good. He is he awfully convinces?
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  Yes, in the role that he's playing, but I just figured that
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  and I know, you know, you know, me as a regular criticism of
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  this era but I think they bring in actors, like good acts.
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  Yes. And don't give them enough to
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  do. I think this is actually enough,
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  but I would have liked to have seen him in.
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  Yes, maybe do something a bit me to, basically he runs off of
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  Rory, doesn't it? Yes, that's right.
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  Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and then he's there during
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  the big confrontation scene with Jax, then he's killed.
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  Offal that. Yeah, because they want to make
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  the doctor the Marshal so that he can do the, the end Showdown
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  really, isn't it? I mean, the real guest star in
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  this episode is Adrian. Scarborough?
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  Yes, who is absolutely wonderful.
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  I think that my wonderful his. Yes.
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  And one of those performances that doesn't get talked about
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  often enough. I think, you know, well, I
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  didn't really see him do before, if what's that was that very
• 20:35
  Comic character? He plays in Miranda, whereas
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  Blah of crisps of you say no, no, I'm obscene Miranda.
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  It's already is a basically. I thank this part here is very
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  funny but then after this, I saw his performance in very British
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  Scandal. Yes.
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  And he's brilliant in that. It's outstandingly.
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  Good. But I still think this is the
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  best thing I've seen him. Do he around this time, he was
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  in the Revival of Upstairs Downstairs and he was the Butler
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  and he was very good, very repressed.
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  Man that because I was quite excited to see him in Doctor Who
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  after that. So yeah, it's interesting.
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  What impresses me most is he has to play the role initially.
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  Very sort of amiably. Yes.
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  Like he's the good guy, but he has to play in a way so that
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  when the twist comes, you can see both sides.
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  Yeah. Of his character.
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  And you do, if you watch him in these early scenes, he's kind of
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  poison you looking at, You're very sympathetic towards him
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  because anybody saying very warm things about 80, you must be a
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  mother. Yeah, like that, that makes you
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  really warm to him. But then, when the Swiss here,
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  so I'm going, yeah, there was something odd about.
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  Yeah. There's, there's always an
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  undertone. There's always something.
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  It's like this sort here where he's very upright and thing but
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  there's something in his eyes, it creepy, and yeah.
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  Yeah, very much so. Do you know what I think it is I
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  feel I feel like it is the sort of performers that you would
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  have got in the classic series. From a, yes probability should
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  have cataracts and this is exactly what he is.
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  Yeah, I love the doctor. Being a fan of the race, don't
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  great things and That's where and mouths like bulk.
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  Yes pretty much less Mass me feeders like a kid.
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  He does, that's why the makeup is very interesting as well.
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  So, is this? I'm going to hit you with a
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  question. Okay.
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  Which was one of the questions we were asked?
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  Is this a historical or is this leaning into a genre are?
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  Now that was from Tom, wasn't it?
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  Yeah. So, it's all good as my
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  question. My question, exactly.
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  I don't think this is a historical.
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  Is leaning into the all the tropes that you want from a
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  western and it's using the Western to deal with an
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  interesting more adult moral dilemma.
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  Yeah, I think that's that's where we are because I think if
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  this was a historical Doctor, Who it would be dealing with
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  something that happened in the old west that we like the
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  gunfighters. Yes.
• 23:47
  And I'm tired of this isn't doing that.
• 23:49
  It's using it as a setting because you hate set.
• 23:53
  Yes, where was this field? I'm somewhere In Spain, wasn't
• 23:56
  it? Al meriya.
• 23:56
  Sometimes there's an age where they film westerns the thing is
• 24:01
  that b, is the standing set. They couldn't do with the gun
• 24:04
  Fighters. They did try with like that.
• 24:05
  Yeah, active. Shawn is have that sense of
• 24:08
  space? Yes.
• 24:09
  It might be that really system. Yeah, that you're in the middle
• 24:12
  of nowhere. While healing usually they're in
• 24:14
  these Canyons that same. Absolutely.
• 24:17
  It's hot. And this is something that yes
• 24:19
  really is. It's just I'm so met steam,
• 24:23
  hissing, I think he did it. In series 7 so I am Alex.
• 24:28
  Yeah, it's hotdogs. All right but looks amazing.
• 24:31
  Yeah he comes back for some at the end of the year, I've carved
• 24:38
  on my preparation. You know, I'm he just the
• 24:42
  snowmen. I also would like to dish out
• 24:47
  some praise for marigolds very playful score in this.
• 24:51
  Yes, it's fun. It's like it's almost like
• 24:53
  playing a banjo. Yeah.
• 24:54
  It's a fairy. Again, it's a western score so
• 24:57
  he's infused because he knows how to do this.
• 25:00
  So I transfer up to you. Yes.
• 25:01
  You think you could get away with this joke now.
• 25:03
  No, we're here because I think everyone would jump the horses
• 25:06
  call. Susan and he wants you to
• 25:08
  respect his life choices. Each Doctor Who ahead of the
• 25:11
  game. I think that's funny.
• 25:13
  Yes, I think that is, you know, that joke that he talks baby.
• 25:18
  Now we just And the hoses Trends.
• 25:22
  Yeah, I think that would upset the daily mail.
• 25:30
  It probably upset the daily mail at the time, if they were
• 25:32
  watching, but they probably weren't everything up, so that
• 25:35
  they somehow, you know, do you know?
• 25:36
  So, I'm gonna grab me a rundown, sorry, Ross has done it, just
• 25:39
  running around about the moment. Joe, when pre brexit, okay,
• 25:44
  Daily Mail was just spreading hate, wasn't it?
• 25:46
  Yeah. Croatian hate their fries are
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  not know. The put on the Shelf everyday,
• 25:49
  I'll go. To see it, post breaks it.
• 25:52
  Now the shelves are empty and everything like that.
• 25:54
  Well, they're whinging about that.
• 25:56
  I'm not exactly you fucking calls this.
• 25:58
  What are you stirred up trouble with?
• 26:12
  This is a very interesting scene between Amy and college X.
• 26:18
  I like the fact she puts the coat.
• 26:19
  Yeah. And it's the, your mother aren't
• 26:22
  you. That's kind.
• 26:24
  He's it's like he he knows how to play people but she's playing
• 26:28
  this very still. Yes.
• 26:30
  Like I think of her Series 5, she's very kind but I think
• 26:35
  she's wary as well. Yeah.
• 26:38
  And when he points the gun in her face, I don't think she's
• 26:40
  entirely no for she's had enough experience at this point to
• 26:44
  know. What what's going on?
• 26:47
  And to read people, you know, I'm always had a lot of
• 26:51
  experience of being shot at and just riding around in a raining
• 26:54
  and that's fine. And he's looking very nice.
• 26:57
  How could you just God, look, you got the site.
• 27:17
  That is a perfect. Great shot, isn't it?
• 27:20
  Yeah. The horse running across dust
• 27:22
  the Sun in the sky. Yeah, it's beautiful.
• 27:25
  Isn't it really? Really good.
• 27:28
  And we're about to approach a scene of where my co-host from
• 27:33
  Untitled. Star, Trek project, Nathan
• 27:35
  bottomley fixes one of Matt Smith's best performances and is
• 27:38
  a silent performance where he's looking.
• 27:40
  Yes. And he does it all in his face.
• 27:43
  Yeah, it is very, very good. I still think the scene in a
• 27:47
  minute is even better. Yep.
• 27:49
  Oh yeah, that flashing light bulbs.
• 27:51
  Yeah he's got some I swear there is something deliberate there
• 27:55
  isn't. I've been so it it feels like
• 27:59
  it. Oh, does.
• 28:01
  So the, the Pod alarm goes off, doesn't it?
• 28:03
  That's what. Yes, because that and that
• 28:05
  alerts caught. Ya College X about what's
• 28:07
  happened, my sorry. I'm gonna basically show you how
• 28:10
  many podcasts I got that, but my other podcast host.
• 28:13
  Yes, Zack, Shanahan, he is a rate this episode.
• 28:16
  Now, he's really not key and he fight, he finds it quite
• 28:19
  simplistic and he doesn't think the moral dilemma has much depth
• 28:23
  to it. I disagree.
• 28:25
  But it is actually quite a simple story.
• 28:27
  And I like and I think, yeah, it's reflection in the mafia
• 28:32
  era. Yeah, you there are many simple
• 28:34
  stories and sometimes that you need that.
• 28:37
  You need that balance. You know design Android man.
• 28:43
  The Z. Look like the Terminator.
• 28:44
  Yeah, he looks like the Terminator and he looks like
• 28:47
  someone in Red Dwarf as well. Oh my God.
• 28:50
  The the was not The Inquisitor is it's the one in Justice.
• 28:56
  Oh, oh yeah, yeah. You looked a bit like Don
• 28:59
  Henderson's character. Oh, and he's got he's got like a
• 29:06
  knife in just he has. That's a bit.
• 29:08
  Yes. Go down.
• 29:11
  Is he? Okay, off a girl for the one
• 29:12
  that changed into our, that's right.
• 29:13
  Isn't he simulant? Yes.
• 29:16
  Yeah, that is really, yea. That sounds lasted a while since
• 29:18
  I've watched, we have all sorry. Right duel fans.
• 29:21
  There were 12 podcast coming to fuck off.
• 29:23
  Catching me, whereas obviously, as informed as ever that have,
• 29:28
  you know, is how they literally cannot have the sun in shot
• 29:31
  enough. And that's because they usually
• 29:33
  filled me in fucking wails. Yeah.
• 29:34
  And the sun's never out how the sun's out.
• 29:40
  Is that they did the location filming for Asylum of the Daleks
• 29:45
  at the same time. So yeah, Yes, somewhere close by
• 29:50
  because it was yes. And it was hot, but yet, it's
• 29:54
  all the same because they had unexpected snow and said all
• 29:59
  will get out and film something in here, we can do those scenes
• 30:02
  from Asylum of the Daleks. Can I make?
• 30:05
  What is it? Might sound like a physician
• 30:07
  observation but it's not at all. Series 5, Karen Gillan.
• 30:11
  Look like a girl. Yes, it is Series 7.
• 30:15
  She looks like a woman. Yes, I think that she's coming
• 30:19
  up. Yeah.
• 30:19
  And that but they're also consciously aging her slightly
• 30:24
  because the because the because the to show the time is passing.
• 30:27
  So I think they are doing lots of work with the makeup and the
• 30:31
  way she's dressing to show that change as well.
• 30:33
  Far be it from me to criticize the Christian way around
• 30:37
  braised, the mafia era but that The sort of detail you had in
• 30:41
  this period that your own hummus.
• 30:43
  Like now, they introduce a character like raffio, she goes
• 30:47
  off to Earth and then we never hear from me again.
• 30:49
  Why if it was Morpheus time you'd come back to that?
• 30:52
  Yeah, she would. Yeah, that would have some
• 30:54
  pesos. This what nature was talking
• 30:55
  about of the mats reactions here.
• 30:59
  So what he's watching. And again, it is all playing on
• 31:03
  his face and his eyes. There's yellow.
• 31:06
  Here's a very expressive face Stillness.
• 31:09
  I didn't tell ya she to him. And just the sounds of the
• 31:14
  experiments and we're coming up to the scene in a second where
• 31:21
  Mass me Falconer goes he's lying and basically decides to throw
• 31:28
  Jack's to his deafness so he basically executing him for his
• 31:33
  crimes because he's just seeing what he's done there.
• 31:35
  Yes. And the thing I love about it is
• 31:39
  the complexity in. Matt Smith's is Equality.
• 31:43
  Yes, because he's so awkward. He's so angry.
• 31:47
  He's like a child that has a tantrum.
• 31:49
  You know how children are yes. And don't know how to cope with
• 31:52
  it. Yes.
• 31:53
  And so they're just reading this article and when he when he's
• 31:56
  kind of throwing him out the room, he's jerky and it's it's
• 32:00
  really intense. And for once I was watching shit
• 32:03
  he gets it. Absolutely right.
• 32:05
  What are other once I was like bye don't know where it's going?
• 32:08
  No I don't know who really interesting.
• 32:10
  I said it because there's a need For his performance.
• 32:13
  As we don't see very often, none of that pain.
• 32:15
  Is there any more? But then was brilliant about are
• 32:19
  saying is if then under the car by a me in, what I think is her
• 32:23
  funniest moment when she shoots the goats and the more time she
• 32:28
  shoots it, the family area gaze. Yes.
• 32:30
  Because once is fun. Yeah Sue is funny Bree.
• 32:34
  Yeah. But that whole scene if that had
• 32:36
  been played by David Tennant it would have been teeth-gnashing
• 32:39
  and a bit of eggs are yes and you know me I much prefer do 10.
• 32:43
  Yeah, but he wouldn't have done that so.
• 32:45
  Well, I don't think he'd have made those interesting choices.
• 32:48
  He'd have been very Resolute about what he was doing and it's
• 32:52
  leaning into Series 5 again, because there's an awkwardness
• 32:54
  in mass media in the romantic moments.
• 32:56
  He's a bit all mood, isn't he yet like that?
• 32:59
  It's all white understand, any kind of emotion that the lodger
• 33:03
  he doesn't really understand human interaction whilst
• 33:05
  absolutely acing human interaction.
• 33:09
  Yeah, so I know this is a question that Dave Rennie asked,
• 33:13
  is the anger from the doctor in this too much or completely
• 33:17
  fine. And in character, in your
• 33:18
  opinion, I think I think is absolutely Justified.
• 33:22
  Just wait, here all sit down that in is just this doctor
• 33:26
  doesn't do that. He's The another reason why I
• 33:30
  think this is one of the best moments in new who it's not just
• 33:34
  because, for a second, I sat back and was like, what the fuck
• 33:38
  is going on? Is he going to kill this man?
• 33:40
  But you have the drama of Amy and Rory and I can see, this is
• 33:44
  how their characters really work there on opposing sides of this
• 33:47
  argument. Yes.
• 33:48
  And they're both giving their opinion and Rory's not Cow by a
• 33:51
  me anymore because it's just where he stands.
• 33:53
  Yeah, he's gonna do this. Yeah, exactly, it's so
• 33:57
  interesting over the Makes are so interesting.
• 34:00
  You get the drama and then you get the comedy as well.
• 34:03
  Yeah, it's just great Telly and it's that old old.
• 34:09
  Big project, isn't it? Goes that we all saw ourselves
• 34:14
  all the time does does the end justify the means the fact that
• 34:19
  he ended the war that had been going on for 19 years We'll
• 34:24
  start Justified. Was it?
• 34:27
  He did a good thing, but he did it in a bad way.
• 34:30
  So is it as an old argument that?
• 34:33
  None of us can all answer that because none of us were there
• 34:36
  one? None of that was about.
• 34:38
  I personally, I would say if it meant, one person was tortured
• 34:42
  horribly? No, no.
• 34:45
  But I'm very, so, there would be people on the other side of that
• 34:48
  argument as well. Yeah.
• 34:52
  But it's not like Doctor Who, but to go into this sort of know
• 34:56
  and it's a Plex, it's, it's quite nuanced.
• 34:59
  Every, as you said, Amy and Rory have I think what, what do we do
• 35:05
  with Jackson here? Yeah, he's a war criminal, but
• 35:08
  he's the man who saved everyone in the village from cholera.
• 35:12
  What is the other new Who episode that posed is the exact
• 35:15
  questions and had the exact level of moral complexity?
• 35:19
  That is also criminally underrated. is well, I was
• 35:23
  actually going to say The Day of the Doctor oh which actually
• 35:28
  deals with pretty much the same question of the doctor using the
• 35:33
  moment is that justified because you're going to end the war but
• 35:37
  he's going to kill everyone and that how do you answer that
• 35:42
  question about whether that is Justified its dealing with
• 35:46
  exactly the same question it but without the torture and there's
• 35:50
  but there's a lot Other things diverting your attention.
• 35:53
  Yes, I was thinking of Boomtown. Oh yeah, yes, they have to
• 36:00
  decide what to do with. Yeah.
• 36:02
  So gorgeous. I think that Boomtown explores
• 36:06
  it in a more interesting way because it's somebody that has
• 36:10
  wronged the doctor. Yes.
• 36:11
  Where is this is, this is a crime that the doctor is
• 36:14
  judging. Someone on the doctor, he said,
• 36:17
  pletely responsible with punishment as yes.
• 36:21
  So, it's that such an interesting Dynamic.
• 36:23
  Where is this is a doctor coming in after all the events?
• 36:26
  Yes, I'm making a judgment on who and he doesn't.
• 36:29
  And how do you jump in his face in his face?
• 36:34
  I just a second because of his performance, I'm like, is he
• 36:37
  going to shoot? Yes.
• 36:38
  And this is again, one of the questions from from our friend
• 36:41
  Jocasta Jose's would, this is the best question we got.
• 36:45
  This is amazing. Hang on a mo.
• 36:47
  This is James winstanley, isn't it is would the doctor of killed
• 36:51
  Had a me not being there to stop him.
• 36:53
  Does the doctor need companions to keep him from doing dark
• 36:56
  deed? See.
• 36:57
  Also Dalek Waters of Mars. Now, I think there is such a
• 37:01
  fucking hypocrite. See in the doctor in this after
• 37:05
  what he did and now don't get me wrong, Solomon was a loathsome?
• 37:08
  Yes. Oh was, that was Mark McManus,
• 37:11
  who asked about Solomon? Oh well, yes, this was yeah, so
• 37:16
  there are two kinds of related questions.
• 37:21
  James was asking about what do we think the doctor would have?
• 37:25
  Let him die at this point would have killed.
• 37:27
  I think he's capable. I think he would have I think
• 37:29
  he's judged it shocked. I was capable of murder.
• 37:34
  Yes. But they always made me stop him
• 37:39
  and come up with a better solution.
• 37:42
  Yes, again. And you know what, we're the
• 37:44
  enough inadvertently. She does it with humor?
• 37:46
  Yes. Yes.
• 37:47
  It's what stops him from making that Daryl's.
• 37:49
  Actually a very Doctor Who things in it.
• 37:51
  Yeah, that's very funny as well. And again, this is did.
• 37:55
  It was follow this word. She goes, I don't mean to do it.
• 37:57
  That's all. But this is absolutely what
• 38:01
  happens in The Day of the Doctor as well, isn't it?
• 38:05
  The companion comes up and says, you're better than this find a
• 38:09
  novel. I didn't think it was.
• 38:11
  You who did this Shame by Nara in it but, you know, it kind of
• 38:15
  ended but it is exactly the same thing of the companion coming up
• 38:19
  and saying, if actually what had that been Amy.
• 38:21
  And I are the doctor that would have if that had been a route
• 38:25
  that would have that would have been incredible.
• 38:28
  Well, I don't know that. Remember when she goes and she's
• 38:30
  like, I tell that little girl, but you're going to see a whale
• 38:34
  in outer space. Hold the whole ending in Angels.
• 38:37
  Take Manhattan is just beautiful.
• 38:41
  You know, with a new love this map.
• 38:46
  Joe. I'm reformed just like Jason
• 38:48
  Miller. There Steven Moffat era.
• 38:50
  Oh, there goes, Ben is still flawed.
• 38:54
  Oh no. Oh well, this brings me to
• 38:56
  another question. Okay, who would happen very
• 38:59
  often? Now, who are we trusting about
• 39:01
  Ben Browder being having clothes on.
• 39:03
  Oh, everyone. Lots of numbers.
• 39:11
  Are they bringing Ben Browder and keeping Fully Alive?
• 39:14
  Oh yeah. Oh no.
• 39:16
  Sorry, that was James H. B geek on Twitter says, why?
• 39:20
  Hire someone was hard to spend Browder and then keep you fully
• 39:23
  clothed all the time. And Steven Alexander says this
• 39:26
  times 1,000, yep. That I'm on these about 50s.
• 39:30
  Never really winkley. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude.
• 39:35
  Third Q. It is me every time but we did
• 39:40
  you see that? He had a nice slow pan out.
• 39:42
  Yeah. And then I lose.
• 39:45
  It's very nice as well. Yeah.
• 39:46
  Nice the coral B. Mm yeah.
• 39:51
  I'll I think yes I going on with the barmaid there, because
• 39:54
  Sheila, yeah, she looks very upset, didn't shake.
• 39:56
  You know what impressed me as well with this, if I fall for
• 39:59
  the couple of scenes that they had?
• 40:02
  The town's folk that get speaking parts are characterized
• 40:05
  with a little day. Yes, like you said, the
• 40:07
  Undertaker measuring the doctor here as soon as he bent and the
• 40:10
  kids. And there's a nice little
• 40:12
  relationship between the doctor and the kids.
• 40:14
  Yeah. Who's going to take over as the
• 40:15
  sheriff? Yes.
• 40:17
  What my point is is in series, 7, B, I don't know who any
• 40:21
  People are in Cold War, in belsen, John in any of those
• 40:25
  episodes but this just shows you how you can do a lock and
• 40:28
  schedule. Yeah, with very light big Toby,
• 40:31
  whithouse is very good at that. That's right.
• 40:34
  The LIE of the land that last all we might have done Watson.
• 40:39
  A yeah. Way to go out or not, you know,
• 40:44
  I think it was going for this sort of complexity because it
• 40:47
  has that scene. Where?
• 40:48
  Yeah, Bill Shuster dr. Buttman that Miss by a mile.
• 40:52
  Yes. But you think of the God,
• 40:54
  complex the year before, and how all of those characters are
• 40:57
  stashed in very quickly from Rita right over to David
• 41:02
  Williams. There's lots of Lights exploding
• 41:14
  or they just new to using electricity.
• 41:21
  Ten years too early. So it's one of those things that
• 41:24
  helps the doctors interest rate off.
• 41:26
  I am going to criticize this episode, okay.
• 41:29
  Thank because I think it Peaks at that scene in the Middle
• 41:33
  with. Yes this is a this is building
• 41:35
  up to what you, what you want, which is what we had in the
• 41:46
  gunfighters. Yes, I'll be a really vicious
• 41:49
  and unexpected blood. Bath at the end, I was saying
• 41:53
  the gunfighters is a historical. Yes, because it's a historical
• 41:58
  incident, but this isn't that. Yeah, this is and this manages
• 42:02
  to do a western and not tread the same path.
• 42:05
  Yeah. Which is which is good and
• 42:07
  healthy. Yeah, to be fair it was what
• 42:10
  years ago yeah. I've got that longer memory
• 42:12
  example to fans who probably watched it the week before
• 42:15
  because the going to the wild west, he's a genuine West has
• 42:20
  built as a well The town that used illegal movies and can be
• 42:24
  redressed. So I think it's a famous sort of
• 42:29
  Western city that is somewhere in the Wilds of Spain job with a
• 42:34
  site that I've never really found Mash me for attractive but
• 42:37
  he looks gorgeous in that sticks and Danny that is he's good with
• 42:41
  Hats. So - yeah, he can rocket any
• 42:46
  kind of hat from Affairs to to what he's wearing Crimson Aura
• 42:51
  that's all. Of black bowler hat.
• 42:52
  Yeah, and then he's got the big big, top hat.
• 43:02
  Goes to Utah at the start of the others were not in the new
• 43:07
  series. Jodi witchcraft that plume in
• 43:10
  States out. Yeah.
• 43:11
  Which is very good. But yeah.
• 43:21
  We're high and thin ice. He did yes.
• 43:23
  And I look good did, but it was red was good balls and yeah, and
• 43:28
  David Tennant. Not as far as I can tell, has
• 43:32
  the holiday hat. Did me the straw hat at the end
• 43:35
  of time. You don't sword?
• 43:37
  Yes, honestly, I hear he's coming back.
• 43:39
  You know really? Yeah.
• 43:41
  And my favorite companion ever. Not phrases, though wilf.
• 43:47
  Oh, you spoke just a gumbo you right now?
• 43:52
  There's some injustice in the world.
• 44:00
  Getting to that age now. Yeah, well yeah, all our icons
• 44:03
  are very old well and we're getting on a bit.
• 44:06
  Well yeah, tell me about it. No, I missed it because you were
• 44:23
  talking about my boss. I've never been there.
• 44:29
  He said, frightened people, I'd rather face a Dalek that's
• 44:32
  essentially, the premise of midnight.
• 44:34
  Yes. Because he's not Goods.
• 44:36
  Brought some people do things that you don't expect.
• 44:40
  And I'll tell you what, I don't think the mafia era delved into
• 44:44
  historical part time periods. Particularly, well, I think
• 44:46
  there's two examples, is this and there's been something the
• 44:50
  doctor When ya back into Cause otherwise I don't think they
• 44:54
  handled it very well. Certainly nowhere near as well
• 44:57
  as the width career know which has been, which kind of
• 45:03
  Hollywood eyes yesterday, which is an approach and that's fine,
• 45:08
  but this is fantastic. Yeah, it's the manipulation,
• 45:12
  isn't it? It's the Look how still Jax's.
• 45:18
  Yeah, and giving him the eye. And again it's two good actors
• 45:24
  facing off against each other. Like I'm going to upset people
• 45:29
  that love the Western genre now by the last thing I would have
• 45:32
  expected this to be would be a performance piece.
• 45:35
  No. And I don't ever, I'm sure
• 45:37
  there's a lot of complexity in those old westerns and I'm sure
• 45:39
  there's some phenomenal performances in there.
• 45:42
  But this is, this is this is just like as you said I'm gonna
• 45:46
  say DSi, rather than T and G, where they would be a Kira
• 45:50
  versus characters versus yeah, versus a cardassian with a big
• 45:56
  duet isn't you, are Waltz, things like that?
• 45:59
  Where they've got a big problem between them.
• 46:01
  There's a big cultural issue and there's a lot of discussion.
• 46:05
  Yes. And in this is as intense and as
• 46:08
  interesting as that yet, and it's one of the few Villains
• 46:14
  that has a way of getting under. The doctors skin is it doesn't
• 46:17
  happen all the time and there are again it's usually the
• 46:23
  scientist who's gone all the way.
• 46:26
  It's same status really, isn't it?
• 46:29
  That Devils has a way of getting under the doctor skin because
• 46:32
  there is a similarity between one, just enough of a similarity
• 46:37
  to make it comfortable for both of them.
• 46:41
  And he's less ghoulish. Yeah.
• 46:43
  Yeah, definitely. Yes.
• 46:44
  You could buy him to him being a nice bloke.
• 46:46
  Yes. But you must be off who's he
• 46:49
  remind you of links? Because he's an alien has fallen
• 46:53
  to Earth in the past and landed on his feet.
• 46:55
  Yes. He's flower with the local links
• 47:01
  had no compunction about saying I'm not gonna wipe you all out
• 47:04
  and I'm off. See ya.
• 47:08
  But yeah, it's and this is something.
• 47:10
  I think that the new series doesn't do very well and that is
• 47:16
  complex villains. They said have a good time.
• 47:19
  They do the transplant. Yes, it's like I love Miss
• 47:22
  Foster. I love even the one in hand
• 47:25
  time. Highest yeah, Keeley.
• 47:26
  Hawes has a heart attack. The fellow in footage from the
• 47:29
  dam. Yes, wheelchair is so funny but
• 47:33
  they don't do complex villains. Particularly no because they
• 47:36
  have got the time to explore it. Well, have violated here they
• 47:40
  do. Yes, because you can if you've
• 47:42
  got a certain kind of story, okay, well I've got a question
• 47:45
  for you then, okay, which, which style of Doctor Who episode.
• 47:49
  So you've got a sort of Alien Invasion.
• 47:53
  Stroke Nostalgia Fest. In school reunions.
• 47:56
  Yeah, you've got what I just an alien invasion, really in the
• 48:00
  vampire yanis. Here, you've got a western with
• 48:04
  some sort of moral complexity in the God complex, you've got a
• 48:07
  puzzle. Peace.
• 48:08
  Yeah, and it's only it's a psychological horror as well,
• 48:12
  isn't it? And then in the LIE of the land
• 48:15
  will fuck knows what else about what you think is his most
• 48:17
  successful episode and approach? Well, I it's hard not to love
• 48:24
  school reunions just because it's Sarah, Jane and canine
• 48:28
  coming back and it was the story that made me love Elizabeth
• 48:33
  sladen in a way I've never done before so, but is that Be
• 48:38
  careful. Yes.
• 48:40
  That is that? Because it's the Past coming
• 48:44
  back and who, whatever they done.
• 48:46
  Would it? The story itself isn't complex
• 48:50
  but it's hooking the return of a up to loved characters.
• 48:56
  So it doesn't need to be a complex story.
• 48:59
  I think it's emotionally company.
• 49:00
  It's a most. Yes, and the emotional beats are
• 49:03
  fantastic, but I think he is. Do you write - it's all right?
• 49:09
  It's very entertaining, funny as it thinks.
• 49:11
  No, I think his best is the court complex without a doubt.
• 49:15
  That's so weird, and complex and funny, and scary.
• 49:21
  And again, has a really brilliant moment of Matt Smith
• 49:25
  being angry. And yes, he is.
• 49:28
  Everyone, everyone sat in their different boobs, reacting to
• 49:33
  what's happened when Rita dies and the slope and cross them.
• 49:38
  It's just I do not disagree with a word, you are saying, but for
• 49:42
  some reason, I prefer this this little bleep, just more
• 49:47
  entertaining more entertaining and I think it's more visually.
• 49:51
  Yeah, nothing. I don't know.
• 49:52
  I think God complex is visually stunning vision for fucking
• 49:55
  weird. Yeah.
• 49:57
  Is that those chittering laughing?
• 49:59
  Yeah, exactly. And all those the imagery and
• 50:02
  the hotel that reconfigures itself and the corridors, I
• 50:05
  think you're really great. What was in the doctors room?
• 50:09
  I think we do in tongue of the glass.
• 50:15
  Now should have been my greatest fear with her legs open.
• 50:30
  Well, yes, I know it's just something about me.
• 50:36
  That brings it out. Did you say that?
• 50:38
  Popular shot. When that this Loadout a
• 50:40
  showdown of the clock exploding in slow motion.
• 50:43
  It's what you want. Isn't it start just yeah, I got
• 50:46
  it. What Dost my eyes deceive me a
• 50:49
  child in the mafia era. There's mayor this no mercy
• 50:54
  here. Doors blowing open my God.
• 50:58
  How cool does Matt Smith look at someone else?
• 51:02
  Why doesn't he wear that duster jacket more often?
• 51:06
  Because he looks really good in it.
• 51:08
  Incredible. Whoa.
• 51:10
  Man, he's commanding. He is, isn't he?
• 51:12
  You're going to fade always card?
• 51:14
  Well, I don't like pinky. Probably is, but you guys, I
• 51:21
  don't know what it is. He just just doesn't just push
• 51:25
  me all my buttons in ways. I didn't expect you really love
• 51:29
  your. I think Peter Capaldi is the
• 51:31
  best actor. Yeah, the doctor I but yeah, I
• 51:37
  have the same thing. Yes again I've said before I
• 51:42
  wanted him to be the doctor for such a long time and then he
• 51:45
  didn't play the doctor in any of the ways that I'd hoped and
• 51:51
  wished for. So, so way it goes, isn't it?
• 51:54
  Sometimes it is. So are we basically just running
• 51:57
  around trying to take down the? Yeah at the moment and is oh no
• 52:01
  Jax is going to have a moment of self-sacrifice yes but this is
• 52:04
  his Redemption. Yeah he makes things right.
• 52:07
  See now look in comparison to coach. - yeah, last night was a
• 52:12
  cool name Coast Marco Sharma space name from the Timeless
• 52:15
  children's. This sacrifice has a bit of
• 52:18
  weight to it. Yes, because we've had the
• 52:20
  argument between the doctor and and college expert before and I
• 52:26
  don't think it redeems what he has done.
• 52:30
  But it's an end for the character.
• 52:33
  It's over the counter, this quite satisfying.
• 52:35
  Yes. And it stops the doctor having
• 52:38
  to make the decision which, uh, in some ways is the plot
• 52:42
  chickening out. Yes.
• 52:44
  Because he could have done. So how does boom Talent?
• 52:47
  What does he make? The choice.
• 52:48
  Know, the Tardis doesn't, doesn't it?
• 52:50
  Oh yeah. It's a real.
• 52:53
  No, but all the way through he was going to say.
• 52:55
  Yes he was, he was absolutely adamant so he knew she was going
• 52:58
  to end up in that soup. Yes.
• 53:04
  And you do feel for Jack's here as well.
• 53:06
  Yes, he has a criminal. Blessed and even the doctor is
• 53:15
  talking him out of it. Yeah.
• 53:17
  Because he doesn't want anyone really to die.
• 53:21
  Okay, I know, I know it's just said, just go finish it.
• 53:23
  All we doing is he saying, leave?
• 53:25
  Yeah, if I have to tear this universe apart to find you, I
• 53:31
  mean, it's a good design, I'm not sure the the cyborgs got
• 53:35
  particularly good characterization.
• 53:36
  No, but it does what it needs to be done.
• 53:38
  And again, it doesn't mean complex characterization because
• 53:43
  it's just a tool that was used to end the wall and it should
• 53:47
  be. It should have his Humanity
• 53:48
  taken away because that's the crime that colleges Is has done.
• 53:52
  I mean, I'm gay. I'm going to say something now,
• 53:54
  which is not a criticism of the episode, but the most
• 53:58
  interesting things about this episode are not the Western
• 54:01
  elements so that's why is fictional.
• 54:04
  Yes, it is just it's, it's dressings.
• 54:07
  Winter is window. Yeah, its a setting for liquor
• 54:10
  store. What a great that is worthy of a
• 54:14
  Pertwee explosion. That's a great Explorer.
• 54:16
  McCoy explosion, which I think is the best explosion ever.
• 54:20
  Oh. So those doors exploding around
• 54:24
  when that gate explode. Yeah.
• 54:27
  And I really like the warehouse going up in mind of evil with
• 54:36
  the down. You see all the bits fluttering
• 54:38
  in the air. Yeah, that's really run.
• 54:40
  Her. Good thing.
• 54:40
  You know, when we're discussing the best explain what's been the
• 54:44
  best explosion in your bed. Mary box.
• 54:52
  Just give us your top ten. How?
• 54:57
  Yeah. That's right.
• 55:04
  And he's going to stay. I will look out for the village
• 55:11
  for the rest of his life. No.
• 55:15
  He was gonna go though. Yes, he was.
• 55:17
  All he does have a role and actually Amy and Rory had no
• 55:21
  part in the climax that they do. Those, that is good today,
• 55:24
  sorry. Yes, they, yeah, yeah.
• 55:27
  I think they are utilized very well in sewers 7A but they're
• 55:33
  they're running story like that leaving the doctor though but
• 55:35
  it's Does it? Yeah.
• 55:41
  And this is sort of dealing with that, isn't it?
• 55:43
  Because it pissed me off at the time, but actually the show was
• 55:46
  like, on the way home. We're traveling, we're having,
• 55:49
  we're traveling but actually go back.
• 55:51
  I think it was handled as a allowing the kids to let go of a
• 55:55
  Monroy that they fall in love with.
• 55:56
  Yeah, it's when Clara came along.
• 55:59
  I was like, okay. Now she should be on board
• 56:00
  full-time. Yeah and he was going.
• 56:02
  I like the time I was like if you had a child struggling with
• 56:06
  odds you'd be there all the time.
• 56:08
  I mean fuck real life. Want to fuck Danny pink probably
• 56:14
  off. In the time, this is more
• 56:18
  interesting as a sideman then it was human appearance was was in
• 56:23
  last Christmas. Was that little girl grows up to
• 56:33
  do the duration for the episodes.
• 56:35
  I'd love it. A bit of shrapnel, from the
• 56:37
  spaceship just came in here and head town.
• 56:59
  Sorry, I'm really nice ending and I just think in terms of
• 57:02
  Television, it's ticking every box, right?
• 57:04
  It's beautiful website to look at it.
• 57:07
  Sounds beautiful for the music's great.
• 57:11
  You've got great dialogue for great characterization.
• 57:14
  Yeah. Some interesting twists and
• 57:16
  turns, like I just, I can't really thought it was people
• 57:20
  really don't like it. No, it does everything.
• 57:23
  Well, yeah, confidently as well. Yes, that's serious every night.
• 57:27
  I think there's a confidence in Syria 78.
• 57:28
  Look, paraphrase. Do coming up now.
• 57:31
  Oh my God. It's cold.
• 57:35
  She's very forward. But I love the Q.
• 57:36
  Yes, which is a really great idea.
• 57:38
  How do you place? Oh my God.
• 58:01
  Yes. So I got a question from from
• 58:05
  Jack Koya here. I just want to say you did a
• 58:08
  great commentary for Edge Of Destruction on, really enjoy.
• 58:11
  That one, there's a country coming up from check Hoya on the
• 58:15
  unquiet, dead. Oh, that would be Goods.
• 58:18
  He make some observations in that that made my other.
• 58:20
  See my toes curl. Make your hair curl, made my
• 58:24
  pattern. Oh oh.
• 58:25
  There there were very impressed. Yes.
• 58:28
  So, what other Todd is teams. Would you like to have seen do a
• 58:32
  western this Western not necessarily.
• 58:36
  This wasn't just a western. Oh my God, the full of dr.
• 58:39
  Sarah and Herod Magi. Sarah as if Buxom babe and Harry
• 58:46
  is this is the rori character. Sort of bumbling.
• 58:49
  I'll be. I could see that.
• 58:50
  Yeah, I can't see Peter Davison in a western but I can see Colin
• 58:57
  Alf shalynn and yeah. And and Bonnie, oh my God, what
• 59:01
  about McCoy and bother it, haha. Would be amazing.
• 59:12
  Okay, so you already know what? I think we're going to deal with
• 59:17
  Gary Russell's question of why is this story so good?
• 59:20
  When we do our summing up, it's fabulous.
• 59:22
  Get is Gary, yep. Even though you don't like that,
• 59:26
  you're deaf if. So, I was a cyborg, which side
• 59:29
  by side, says, Paul Phillips Williams ifs, I was a cyborg
• 59:34
  would sigh sigh? Yes.
• 59:38
  Yeah. The only real answer to that,
• 59:42
  isn't it? Okay, this is the doctor s.
• 59:45
  Visit to the old west. Yeah, which is better.
• 59:47
  This or the gun fires? Oh, oh, that's my favorite lines
• 59:59
  from the gun fires. Really good.
• 1:00:02
  Touch alcohol. But a little glass of milk.
• 1:00:05
  Can I be doing? Do we stay with it?
• 1:00:12
  It's a bit where he's got the card on the continent.
• 1:00:15
  Goes to her. How do we proceed calling?
• 1:00:20
  Mr. Were all the way through. Would you like a slug of old
• 1:00:24
  knuckle rustler? No, I certainly don't got, don't
• 1:00:27
  touch alcohol. I must say it's very
• 1:00:29
  unprofessional or is it? I don't think that's a very
• 1:00:32
  subtle form of advertising, do you?
• 1:00:34
  I mean, it's fucking hilarious, which is better.
• 1:00:39
  I think they're really different.
• 1:00:40
  But yeah. It's you can't really compare
• 1:00:42
  them. Like 11.
• 1:00:44
  Evil enough to be at Studio bound Western.
• 1:00:47
  Yes. In the 60s and an out-and-out
• 1:00:50
  comedy. Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  With a song, I think the gun fires is bolder.
• 1:00:55
  Yes. It's more dangerous.
• 1:00:57
  Maybe I think tackled Mercy is a better piece of Television.
• 1:01:02
  Yes, it's more competent. Although actually the gunfight
• 1:01:06
  is quite stylish Li directed and she doesn't know that accents.
• 1:01:09
  Allah burials. I think we've got better accents
• 1:01:13
  here. We got them.
• 1:01:14
  Well, who is actually a miracle? Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  But everybody hotties in the gun part of this to you.
• 1:01:19
  Oh well, maybe a Purvis. Yeah, well, maybe Lauren's pain,
• 1:01:22
  actually, when he comes in as Johnny Ringo, Jackie Lane in the
• 1:01:25
  right line. Well, it has a fabulous
• 1:01:28
  Cliffhanger where they're playing on the piano and
• 1:01:29
  singing. Yes.
• 1:01:31
  Next episode don't shoot The Pianist.
• 1:01:36
  Yeah, yeah it is and I don't think we've answered that.
• 1:01:40
  No. So We love them both.
• 1:01:43
  Okay, so I well I think we might have covered everything there.
• 1:01:48
  That's have a, just a quick look.
• 1:01:49
  Now, how could you keep people entertained while I'm looking?
• 1:01:55
  Yes, I probably could. We have we've covered them all.
• 1:02:03
  Which thank you very much, everyone.
• 1:02:05
  Yes, a question in. So I've never done that before.
• 1:02:07
  I know that's very much a freezer being usually.
• 1:02:10
  So but it is, but it worked. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:12
  And honestly know until, you know, falak question is okay,
• 1:02:16
  site. So now we need to find three
• 1:02:18
  things apiece. Yeah, about a mercy to recommend
• 1:02:22
  people. So why don't you go first?
• 1:02:24
  Okay, I am going to say Adrian Dunbar as College X.
• 1:02:28
  You don't mean Adrian. Scarborough RT, I do mean age.
• 1:02:31
  It's called Adrienne Dunbar is the guy from.
• 1:02:34
  The other thing is enough, uh, he's not in doctor who he is.
• 1:02:39
  I don't you choke with no more. I'll tell ya what's gone wrong.
• 1:02:46
  So my first one is I'm Adrian. Scarborough, yes, I'm College X,
• 1:02:51
  who is Gives one of The best judge performances of the era.
• 1:02:57
  It's very unsung doesn't get shouted about as much as he
• 1:03:01
  should is really, really good. Playing a complex character and
• 1:03:05
  making it seem fairly effortless.
• 1:03:07
  It's good stuff. You need to hold on to your
• 1:03:11
  heart. Okay, I'm about to say, right,
• 1:03:15
  the first thing I would like to recommend about this episode is
• 1:03:19
  Matt Smith. Extraordinary performers as the
• 1:03:26
  doctor so much, so I'm not even gonna follow that up with.
• 1:03:30
  He doesn't usually, he is fantastically good in this, he
• 1:03:34
  is particularly good in that scene where he has to be angry.
• 1:03:39
  Yes, that just amazingly good. Like, like, if people needed to
• 1:03:44
  point at something and say, no, Joe you're wrong.
• 1:03:46
  This is the doctor they could make me watch this and I would
• 1:03:50
  just not my head all the way through.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah, absolutely. He's Ever so good as an
• 1:03:54
  appraiser. Tried with the eleventh hour.
• 1:03:56
  He did bathing. Didn't succeed.
• 1:03:58
  Hey, there we go. No, you're absolutely right.
• 1:04:00
  Mats at the top of his game. They're just really confident
• 1:04:05
  and really well judged performance.
• 1:04:09
  So my next one would be the location which is just
• 1:04:15
  beautifully, filmed really well, used looks absolutely the part
• 1:04:19
  because it is designed to be absolutely the part.
• 1:04:22
  So, yeah. And the director saw met Stone
• 1:04:26
  gets the very best out of his location.
• 1:04:29
  Both outside the village and inside the village.
• 1:04:34
  My second thing is I can't believe I'm doing this Karen
• 1:04:38
  Gillan. Amy poems.
• 1:04:40
  Naughty. Hell, I think it's
• 1:04:42
  extraordinarily good. In series 7.
• 1:04:44
  A and in this case she doesn't have loads to do.
• 1:04:50
  I think she gets more to in all the other episodes, actually,
• 1:04:53
  but what she gets to do the comedy mode with the gun
• 1:04:56
  standing up for her opinion with Rory, reminding the doctor of
• 1:05:00
  his Humanity like she's just on fire in this season and if I'm
• 1:05:06
  not looking at Matt Smith, I'm looking at Karen Gillan.
• 1:05:10
  So that is the second thing first for everything.
• 1:05:15
  Okay? Wow, okay, well, I'm going to
• 1:05:19
  say, Bed Brando just cuz it's Ben Browder.
• 1:05:24
  And actually I think the whole cost of everyone in the village
• 1:05:28
  as you said are really well thought through, they are nicely
• 1:05:35
  cast, good characters, no one steps out of the reality
• 1:05:42
  everyone is is just right for what they're doing and they all
• 1:05:45
  give really good thing. So Derek Hagen is another
• 1:05:47
  example of taking a small part and doing Something that
• 1:05:51
  unexpected and and good right down to the barmaid and very
• 1:05:55
  funny when I'm very funny. Yes.
• 1:05:57
  It's very, very funny. Okay.
• 1:06:00
  Well, my third recommendation for this is Steven Moffat.
• 1:06:05
  Oh, Lottie hell. They could have warned me
• 1:06:10
  because I think it was a very Savvy move doing movie of the
• 1:06:16
  week for the first half of this season.
• 1:06:19
  Yes. So having lightest Or he's with
• 1:06:23
  the character thread of the baby, and Rory leaving the
• 1:06:27
  doctor. And I like the Simplicity of
• 1:06:31
  these stories. They've all got a simple premise
• 1:06:33
  dinosaurs on a spaceship, the Western, with the Android, the
• 1:06:37
  cube Invasion. They're all quite simple
• 1:06:39
  stories. Yes.
• 1:06:40
  All I don't like the Mad complexity of.
• 1:06:43
  Steven Moffat Sarah, and I think this pushes against it, he's
• 1:06:47
  wearing something very different from season 6.
• 1:06:50
  And it works a treat and A town called Mercy is the one episode
• 1:06:53
  I think absolutely Aces it all the way through his 45 minutes
• 1:06:57
  so it was just a Savvy. Move on.
• 1:06:59
  Steven Moffat part to make this change in the formula and this
• 1:07:04
  episode is one of the riches within it.
• 1:07:06
  Yes. Wow there we go.
• 1:07:10
  Hello whatever for watching. I'm Matt Smith, Karen Gillan and
• 1:07:13
  speaking of changed, Where we heading next told, God, mom's
• 1:07:25
  download complete. If we were raised that way a
• 1:07:28
  team, I think some where we are and if we're alone, still got to
• 1:07:33
  do snake dance, haven't we? Or should we do that?
• 1:07:36
  Well yeah we should do that next need to do the web Planet.
• 1:07:39
  Always say is that as well. Yeah and we obviously haven't
• 1:07:42
  heard that yet not happen. No they don't even know about
• 1:07:44
  that one plated with the to sighs.
• 1:07:46
  Yes. My my own multi Avenger yeah.
• 1:07:50
  With two sides. Why?
• 1:07:51
  Yes, well okay say thank you very much for coming down today.
• 1:07:55
  My pleasure John very much for doing this commentary and I do
• 1:07:58
  hope anybody that doesn't like, tackle, Mercy.
• 1:08:03
  Now is Will some opposing opinions and they can exert and
• 1:08:07
  give it another chance. Please do?
• 1:08:09
  I think you'd enjoy that so write them up Cowboy.
• 1:08:13
  What was that?