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Jenna Ellis: Tracing Demonic Ideologies & Roots Of The Sexual Revolution · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Hey, friends. Welcome to World View Matters. Today's guest writes that the sexual revolution
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of the 60s led to the rejection of basic biology of today. We'll get to Jenna Ellis
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with American Family Association in a minute. We're also going to talk about target,
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the corporation, how Americans may have pushed the pioneer of woke retail to a breaking point.
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We'll talk about that. And also, eight and ten Americans don't want boys in girls' sports,
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surprise, surprise, and USAID. There's been a lot of waste, specifically more than 50 billion
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dollars in fiscal 2023. We'll talk about that. And a little headline from the Babylon B. Archaeologists
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discover Sodom and Gamora was funded by USAID. Coming up, World View Matters with Jenna Ellis.
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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity. No topic, off limits. And now, here's your host, David Firazo.
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I'm still laughing about the Babylon B. headline, guys. I'm sorry. That's just funny. I mean,
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but you know, it's funny and sad at the same time. This battle's been going on. I mean, 30 years ago,
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what is it? The Heritage Foundation. Yeah, the Heritage Foundation penned a piece called
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Abolish, the wasteful agency for international development, USAID. Anyway, Jenna Ellis is our guest
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today, senior advisor of public policy at the American Family Association. She's an author,
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national radio host of Jenna Ellis in the morning. And previously, she served as a senior legal
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advisor to President Trump. And we're just thrilled to bring her on today. Jenna, welcome to World
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View Matters. Good to see you, sister. Good to see you too, David. Thank you so much for having me.
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Well, thank you. I've been trying to get you on for a while. I've got your book. We're going to
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talk about this because 10 years ago, significant year with the social issues battle in America and
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the Supreme Court case in 2015. But I want to say we've had Andy Woods, Nancy Piercy,
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JB Hicks and Mike Gendron all on the podcast. They endorsed your book. And so by the way,
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friends, the book is called the legal basis for a moral constitution. It is deep. It is
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informative, factual, and I think it's a very important book for you to have in your library.
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It doesn't have to be a brand new book. If it's got true American history and a biblical argument
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for why we do things the way we do or should in the United States of America. So Jenna,
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you wrote an op-ed recently. We'll get to this in a minute. Tracing the transgender bathroom
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debate to the roots of the sexual revolution. I was thrilled to see this because I often
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like to talk with our guests if we're not talking about current issues news and what's going on
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globally or in the States or in the church in America. I like to analyze how we got to where we are
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today. Maybe we can just do that now. I know what I wanted to talk about USAID and get your take on
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some of the waste and corruption that's coming out now. And we'll talk about Target. But that's
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we'll talk about the AFA American Family Association. That's what we'll talk about Target. But give us
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an overall bird's eye view of the sexual revolution because the ground had to be set up for this
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delusion in chaos of well, you can be whatever sex you want. Talk to a little bit about that. We'll
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jump into your op-ed. Yeah. And I think actually those two topics, the USAID and where we're at
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with the current Trump administration actually go hand in hand with tracing our roots back to
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the sexual revolution and then ultimately back to America's founding, which is really where we
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should start. And that's why my book even 10 years later, I can't believe it's been already been
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10 years. But it's still very timely because Christians especially, but every American
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who cares about our national sovereignty cares about policy needs to understand America's founding.
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And then they also need to understand what's happened over the 250 years of America's history
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to how we got to where we're at. And a lot of what President Trump is doing is just simply unwinding
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some bad policy that's grounded in maybe not exactly a biblical worldview, but at least a lot
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closer to a truthful perspective, a common sense perspective than what we've seen from the left.
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And so the sexual revolution that really got its foothold in the late 1950s, early 1960s really
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started with this whole idea that women could have sex like men. And what's that why perpetuated
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was this whole myth of common and just casual sex. And so what it did was take this precious covenant
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outside of the bounds of marriage and sold a lie particularly to women that casual sex was reclaiming
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our power or something along those lines. And once you do that, then you have to address the
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natural consequences of sex, which of course is procreation, women get pregnant. And so then
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the courts had to address contraceptives. That's where we get to the critical decision of Griswold
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versus Connecticut in 1965 where the Supreme Court wildly outside of the bounds of judicial
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review article three in their jurisdiction created a false doctrine almost like a a woke
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pastor would reading between the lines of scripture and just claiming that God said something that
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he really didn't. Well, the Supreme Court is claiming that the US Constitution is what gives us
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our rights. We know from our founding our rights come from God our creator not our government
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and to the sole purpose of government to preserve and protect our rights, but the Supreme Court got
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it exactly opposite. And so what they did was say that the governments and the Constitution
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grants us our rights so they're merely privileges. And one of those rights is a right to privacy,
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which somehow they contended covers contraceptives, which led to abortions, which led to a reinvention
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of the definition of marriage, the family unit in Obergefell versus Hodges. And now ultimately
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has resulted in the current contention we see at the Supreme Court that was argued back in December
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of the United States versus Scarmetti, which is contemplating a Tennessee law that really is
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attempting to argue that somehow the government doesn't have a compelling interest to protect
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minor children uphold their biblical right to intact bodies and and refuse to allow gender reassignment
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surgery, which we know is just a legal speak and leftist speak for genital mutilation of children.
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That's why we're at where we're at because if you don't start with a biblical worldview of the
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human body of human beings, of human sexuality and recognizing God as creator, you get wildly off
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and that's where we're at today in 2025. There's so much I want to follow up on based on what you
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just shared. First of all, we're blessed to have Sheryl Chumley on the podcast a week or two
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ago. She's got a brand new book out God given or bust. But we even I don't want to say even in
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the church, but I think Americans generally have gotten away from that because they don't teach
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God given rights in our schools anymore. It's government. Government gives you everything, right?
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Yeah, and they don't even teach God given rights in the church, unfortunately, because the church
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has largely bought into this myth of separation of church and state that the church is only supposed
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to teach whatever is commonly accepted in culture. That's okay from the Bible. So they kind of a
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a lot of pastors will brush over some of those verses that talk about homosexuality or talk about
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politics, Romans 13 for example, or they'll reinvent that to suggest that, you know, we just have
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to seed to whatever our current government suggests, which is wholly inconsistent with the
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full council of God. And so churches even are refusing to stand up in America today for fundamental
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truths and to say that if Christians want to continue to build a moral and upright society
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and build upon what our founders rightly recognize, Christians have to engage as good citizens. We
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have to steward our country. And the separation of church and state only means what Jefferson wrote
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to the Danbury Church, which is that they are different spheres or jurisdictional authority, but
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still under God's ultimate divine authority. So in scripture, we see three spheres of government
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that God ordained, the church government, the family government, and the civil government. They all
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have different authority, but they're all under God's ultimate divine law and his truth. And
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that's what I go into in my book. Yes, and I thank you. I remember you put the you make it even
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simple for even someone like me to understand you put the spheres there with the different forms
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of government before I get credit to my dad for that, by the way, because he's an engineer and he
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told me in reading my manuscript because you got to put it into visual. He's the one you actually
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did those kudos dad. So I really want to emphasize your book. This isn't the reason I wanted to have
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you on because I want to talk about the op ed and how we got here in the battles today, the cultural
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battles, which are battles in the church as well, and are affected by our silent pulpits in part.
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But I want to go back to something you said when you first talked about the consequences,
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the the current crisis about where we're at today, how we got here, this goes back. I think you
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mentioned the 60s. You may have said the 50s. I'm thinking Margaret Sanger, Alfred Kinsey,
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Hugh Hefner. I'm thinking anyway, I'm sure there is more. These people go back even further. I
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mean, Sanger to the 20s and Planned Parenthood. Here we are today, given them our tax dollars.
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So this battle even goes back further that set the stage for the 60s, the sexual review revolution
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your thoughts. Yeah, absolutely. And we see even with the rise of the big bureaucratic state that
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was in the 1920s with the ratification, for example, the 16th and 17th amendments that I think were
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the two worst amendments that we ratified in the US Constitution. A lot of this big bloat you
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want to talk about USAID funding and funding things like drag queen plays over in foreign countries
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and all of this millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood. All of those things are only possible
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because of the rise in the bureaucratic state in the 1920s. Barry Goldwater talked about this
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quite a bit in one of his books. When he said that even Republicans were signing on to this ridiculous
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notion that taxation on the federal level means that the government can then just spend tax dollars
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however they prefer without the consent of the American people. And that's not fiscally responsible,
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nor is it a conservative principle and conservatism of course, what does that mean? The root word is
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conserving something. What are we conserving? Ultimately truth, which is the person of God and the
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legitimate authority that comes from him. So if we genuinely want to be conservatives, we first have
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to be biblical. And that's going to be a nice transition to talk about the church briefly before
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we take a very short pause. You say in your op ed, this crisis is not merely political. It is
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spiritual at its core. I mean, you've got to look at some of these things that are going on and say
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it's demonic. It is spiritually from a biblical perspective. These are demonic agendas that are being
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carried out. And I think the left is so good at changing the language and using talking points
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and convincing people that they're compassionate or whatever, they get away with it. You say as
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society drifts further from the creator's design, the consequences are increasingly evident.
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The problem is, Jenna, the media doesn't talk about the consequences. Hollywood doesn't talk about
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the consequences. Target corporations don't talk about, do they? Well, this is why alternative media,
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like your podcast, my radio show, are so incredibly important because legacy media for too long has been
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gatekeepers and look at the funding that we've seen from the government to Politico. I mean,
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$8 million annually just for Politico pro subscriptions. None of the feds need to subscribe to Politico
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any more than they need to subscribe to better homes and gardens. I mean, it's really a money laundering
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scheme, right? And so all of this requires us to go back and look at the eternal principles
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of Scripture. Ephesians 5 talks about taking advantage of every opportunity because the days are
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evil. That was true, even in the Apostle Paul's day in ancient Rome, like it is today. And there
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are actually a lot of parallels, unfortunately, between the left and ancient Rome, child sacrifice,
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paganism, so much of that. But the contention and the flashpoints that will always be there with
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a Christian worldview versus every other false worldview that is antithetical to Scripture
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will be there until Jesus calls us home or he returns. And we know that this world has fallen.
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And that's why Christians have to not only be eternally vigilant, but we also have to be prepared
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and why worldview matters because if we are going to contend for these things in the public square,
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not just with this whole idea will first you have to evangelize and have people accept Christian
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truth before you can talk about pro life, before you can talk about the importance of pro life
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policy, before you can talk about capitalism, all of these things, then we're seeding the argument
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before we've even begottened because I can argue rationally for Christian principles much like
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C.S. Lewis argued for the rationality of Christianity just with a self-evident truth of the world,
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before I even engage someone on what they believe about God or whether or not they believe in him.
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We are confined naturally to the reality to which God presented us. And even if Donald Trump
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isn't overtly pressing biblical principles as much as say maybe a governor,
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Ron DeSantis would have this president, he is still championing common sense, he's championing
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truth, he's championing reality, like saying men can't compete in women's sports.
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That's a biblical principle, but you don't have to be a Christian to simply affirm that reality
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shows there are only two genders. Amen. Just amazing. One of the I wrote a book last year,
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a year and a half ago, one of the chapters was, what are great grandparents think?
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And just if we were having these conversations, even for the president to have to say,
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here's an executive order stating, you know, men or men, women or women, anyway, Jenna,
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how can people tune into your podcast, Jenna, or your radio show, Jenna Ellis in the morning?
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Thanks, go to afr.net, find your local station, or you can download our free app and stream
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anywhere, or we're also streaming on X as well. And if you missed the live show, which is
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eight to nine Eastern, you can always click on our podcast page and listen to it after
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it here. So afr.net. Awesome. Friends, a lot more to come. We got so much more to talk about
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Hey guys, first I want to say thank you, thank you, thank you. We've been at this for
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under two years. And our viewers and the audience is growing thanks to you sharing.
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The podcast really important. I know some of you contribute financially. God bless you.
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Some of you pray for us. God bless you, but sharing gets us out there. And now I,
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from what I understand, I was just told we've been averaging a quarter of a million downloads per
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podcast thanks to you and it's growing. Praise God. So Jenna Ellis, I wanted to ask you, you started
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off your book. I'm going to get to the introduction something I wanted to read for our viewers and
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listeners, but you quote a lot of our founding fathers and you decided to put this one before you
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said anything else in the book. John Adams said we have no government armed with power capable
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of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made
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only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
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Just share why you decided to put that read at the beginning of your book.
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Yeah, I think that encapsulates specifically why we are responsible for being eternally vigilant
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and we are responsible in the United States for the gift of the blessings of liberty and how our
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founders provided Americans with a very unique opportunity that we are actually in control of our
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own government. Now it may not seem that way because we've seeded so much power to a big bureaucracy,
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but at the end of the day, we cannot force morality on people. It has to come from within. It
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has to come from the culture and ultimately it has to come from the church. And so while so many,
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especially in the Maga movement, which is doing a lot of really good things, a godless populism
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is not going to create a moral and upright society. A constitutional republic can only
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persist with the necessary guardrails and framework of moral limitations and truth. One of my favorite
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authors, Ozginnus, framed it this way where he said freedom is not the ability to do what we want.
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Freedom is the ability to do what we ought. And as Christians, we need to recognize that freedom
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in Christ is all about limitations in our accesses and being willing to submit to the divine authority
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of Jesus Christ rather than our own sinful nature. And I think that's exactly what John
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Quincy Adams was striving toward. It makes me wonder if many of our founding fathers could see
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for 24 hours just be alive in 2025 and see just the state of the church and then our government.
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I think they would flip. They wouldn't recognize America, I don't think. But let me go to the
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opening. They want to sail to another new world, I think. Start over. So your introduction is
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fascinating because I'm just read this. I started, Jenna is writing. I started writing this book
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well before, or Bergerfeld versus Hodges, same-sex marriage decision was handed down in June of 2015.
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That Supreme Court opinion simply further necessitated a comprehensive logical and legal argument
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for a moral basis to constitutional interpretation in the aftermath of that decision. Here we are
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10 years later. The states and the American people in general were left in a constitutional crisis
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greater than we have ever faced since the original constitutional convention in 1787. That's a
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powerful and provocative statement, Jenna, but I agree with you. But looking back now, I mean,
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you're thinking, yeah, yeah, that book, 2015, then that court case came out and look, you can
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see all the consequences of it, the Hollywood and the media and what's happening in our public
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schools, the government run education, your thoughts on where we are from when you started writing
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this book 10 years ago. Yeah, that introduction I've gone back and read a couple of times recently,
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and it is really profound that I mean, I gave it about 20 years before the left would be openly
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advocating for pedophilia, for example, it didn't even take us 20 years, it didn't even take us 10.
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I mean, this is how rapid the escalation into utter debauchery and licentiousness has been in
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the society because if we if we basically affirm evil through our legitimacy in government and
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through the Supreme Court in particular, but through the law and the legal process, then there's
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no limitations and no limiting principle to what evil will possess. And this is why I believe,
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and I also wrote in the introduction, this is why I believe that the LGBTQ movement was so
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insistent on a legal recognition of homosexual marriage, if all they wanted was the same benefits
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and liberties, they would have those. I mean, I'm a single woman and I have just as much right
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to to give my estate or, you know, have my will or have power of attorney or anything else
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as anyone who's married, maybe, you know, not some tax benefits, but that's about it. And that could
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come through civil unions, for example, it doesn't have to be termed marriage, but the reason that
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they wanted it to be marriage is because they they wanted to undercut that moral institution that
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God himself created and they wanted to redefine it for the purposes of having a moral stamp of approval.
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And once the Supreme Court gave them that, then there was no limiting principle. I mean, right now,
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we at AFA action are even contemplating some of the legislation and some of the executive rules
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that have come out from the states in the wake of Obergefell over the last 10 years that are still
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being perpetuated. So, for example, in Massachusetts, there's a parentage act that is undercutting
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parental rights simply for the reason that they don't want to have parentage vested in the
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biological parents. They think that that is just a celebration or a right that can be transferred
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to even a homosexual couple, which in principle and by definition cannot procreate. So,
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all of these things have led to disastrous effects. And this is why over the next four years of
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a Trump administration, I think we've gotten a reprieve in some sense, but Christians have a lot
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of work to do to push the Trump administration to go as far as we can and also Congress and the
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state legislatures to codify as much as possible, have those legal battles and challenges,
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so that we can have enduring wins, not just for the next four years, not just for the next 40,
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but if the Lord Terry is the next 400 or more of America's existence.
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So, less than two years actually, if you think about midterms, we've got a lot of work to do,
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because the decline in the decay has been going downward for so many decades, Jenna.
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But I know I'm preaching to the choir here. So, eight in 10 Americans don't want boys
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in girl sports, for example. A headline I read to start off the show. Let's talk about target.
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I was writing, and I'm sure you were writing back at this time as well, when they decided to change
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their bathroom policy to allow biological men in the women's, or restrooms or dressing rooms.
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But even before that, they had, I believe that at that time, 2012 is when they started with the
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LGBTQ pride section. Don't quote me on that, but it's right around there. This was before the
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Supreme Court decision in 2015. Talk about what we're doing as far as target. I know the AFA has
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lifted their boycott, which I'm thinking, okay, they're not going to change their worldview
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all of a sudden. They're just, it's about money, right? Maybe the message got through, but what are
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your thoughts on where we're at with target in these corporations? Yeah, I think it is all about
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money more than it is about worldview, which is why it was really interesting to see companies
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like Bud Light, for example, and John Deere go completely against their main constituency. I mean,
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let's be honest, those are, you know, red states men who are consuming some of those items more
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than, you know, the liberal, you know, flowers, delicate flowers over there in California, right?
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So it's interesting that they would be going against their own bottom line, but for corporations,
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you know, like target or even Facebook and meta. I mean, Mark Zuckerberg hasn't changed his
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basic philosophy. I don't think that he's had suddenly a worldview epiphany. It's simply that
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Donald Trump is back in office. If this was Kamala Harris and thank the Lord that it's not, he
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wouldn't be ending his censorship of conservatives. So this is why it really matters. And I think
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the timeliness here of AFA's, of AFA to call for the end of, of the target boycott is purposeful
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for this reason. Boycotts work, but also in terms of stopping the flow of money. But now that
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target is bursting a lot of its policies and going more conservative is they see a huge increase
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of what I would call an affirmative boycott of actually funding the policies that are good.
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Then maybe we will see a longer term initiative from target and they won't just go back to their
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LGBTQ woke nonsense as soon as Trump leaves office. So I think the timing of this is very intentional
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from AFA's card. Interesting. We're running out of time quickly and we didn't get the USAID,
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but just your thoughts on the corruption and what they have funded with billions and billions of
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American tax dollars. Yeah, thank you for putting up that article and there's many places you can
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get details on this, friends, but the most outrageous and horrific things USAID did with your
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tax dollars. That's over at Town Hall. There's just some astounding perverted and demonic things
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that don't do anything for America, but it's all about ideology in this, this spiritual battle,
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isn't it Jenna? Absolutely. And this is why it's great that President Trump and Secretary of
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State Rubio are simply halting all funding of USAID until all of these things can be looked into.
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That's the appropriate move because our tax dollars should not be spent. I'm horrified that my
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tax dollars went to these kinds of things. I would really like a refund and say, you know, I don't
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want to have that on my conscience that, you know, I paid my taxes and now the federal government
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has done these extremely evil things. And this is why tax reform is also critical, I think, so that
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Americans understand where tax dollars are going. We need to have opt-outs of a lot of these things
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because imagine, David, if the federal government had to actually convince the American people and
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you know, have things like go fund me campaigns and say, hey, this is where we would like to fund
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these things. How many of these programs would absolutely fall flat on their faces? That's where
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the government has been reckless and they need to be held accountable. I'm really grateful for
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Elon Musk and Doge in this respect as well. So friends, just check out that book, the legal
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basis for a moral constitution from Jenna Ellis and her podcast. Do you have any other articles,
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op-eds, maybe another book in the works? What's going on with you, Jenna? I do have another book
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in the works. I'm really excited about that. So hopefully that'll be coming out, you know,
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relatively soon. But I also publish a column weekly in American Family News. You can find that
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online, follow on ex-American Family News, and that always drops every Friday.
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Awesome. Thank you so much for your time. Lord Will and we can do this again because there's
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so much more to talk about. We love you. We appreciate you. Thank you. God bless you.
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All right. Thank you. God bless. Thank you. Thank you. I can't emphasize that book, the importance
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of that book. Just some foundational principles that Christians need to have in their arsenal.
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We need to know how to defend these battles and speak into the darkness and light up the darkness,
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right, with Christ. Thank you, friends. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth
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about things that matter.