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Beauty Queen's Drug-Sedated "Sleepovers" With Surgeon/Lover End in Murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Overdose or was it? I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at flox Nation and Serious XM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: When police rushed to the scene of a death, they
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Speaker 1: find an alarming, alarming layout in the home. Was it intentional?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. First responders rushed to the
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Speaker 1: thirteen thousand block of Godwitz Street in Clarksburg after reports
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Speaker 1: of an overdose. It's the home of oral surgeon doctor
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Speaker 1: James Michael Ryan. Inside, paramedics find Sarah Harris, Ryan's girlfriend, unresponsive.
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Speaker 1: Ryan says Harris was okay when he went to bed
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Speaker 1: at ten thirty pm, but when he came down the
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Speaker 1: next morning, Harris was unresponsive on the couch. Harris was
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Speaker 1: pronounced dead. Okay, I've got so many questions right there,
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Speaker 1: based on everything I'm hearing about the oral surgeon, doctor
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Speaker 1: James Michael Ryan. Now before I introduce everybody to doctor
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Speaker 1: William Maroney, chief Medical EXAMRA joining us out of Bay County, Michigan,
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Speaker 1: author of American Narken. You can find it at Recovery
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Speaker 1: Pathways LLC dot com. And Maroney puts his money as
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Speaker 1: timeless effort where his mouth is. He actually created and
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Speaker 1: travels with a rolling medical lab to help stop overdoses.
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Speaker 1: That's why he is so important. Not that the rest
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Speaker 1: of our guests are not important. But let me just
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Speaker 1: ask you this very basic question, doctor Moroney, before I
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Speaker 1: get into the whole overdose issue. An oral surgeon does
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Speaker 1: that mean a DIN test with another degree? Is what? Once?
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Speaker 1: An oral surgeon is not a medical doctor. An oral
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Speaker 1: surgeon begins as a dentist and then gets training to
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Speaker 1: put people under anesthesia to a room really difficult teeth. Ordinarily,
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Speaker 1: in a dentist office, you just get a number, you
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Speaker 1: get light againe, you get procaine, and then they yank
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Speaker 1: tooth out. An oral surgeon gets impacted teeth, broken teeth,
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Speaker 1: and they do the implants where they you know, they
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Speaker 1: put the little metal screw in and that takes anesthesia.
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Speaker 1: You cannot work on somebody's mouth like that. And that's
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Speaker 1: what he was doing all those medicines he has. Did
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Speaker 1: you say people get propofal at the dentist office. I've
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Speaker 1: never heard of that. Well they can. They can put
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Speaker 1: you in a surgical suite once you get that level.
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Speaker 1: You mean an oral surgeon or just a dentist. Never never,
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Speaker 1: a regular dentist would never get of you propofol because
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Speaker 1: the law requires you monitor oxygen and ekg. The regular
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Speaker 1: dentist doesn't do that. He just numbs up your guns,
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Speaker 1: gums and pulls. I don't know, I've got a bad feeling,
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Speaker 1: Ken Bell. Can can you just take off your criminal
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Speaker 1: defense hat just one moment. I know I would just
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Speaker 1: not go into a dentist office and go under anesthesia
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Speaker 1: or I mean, I'd have to think long and hard
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Speaker 1: before I walk into anything but a hospital and get
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Speaker 1: totally put under. Well, I think these are private discussions
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Speaker 1: between a medical practitioner and their patient. And you know,
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Speaker 1: we have to give some latitude to the judgment of
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Speaker 1: medical professionals. You know, they did swear the hippocratic. You
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Speaker 1: know what, Now I know why you're such a great
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, because he just you know, slipped right out
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Speaker 1: of that one. Okay, guys, we are talking about a
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Speaker 1: young woman. Twenty five year old Sarah Harris is dead.
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Speaker 1: She's dead. So let me go to Lindsey Watts, Emmy
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Speaker 1: Award winning reporter with Fox five in DC her podcast
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Speaker 1: Siege on Democracy. Lindsay thanks for being with us. Let
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Speaker 1: me understand this just let's start with the cops and
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Speaker 1: the e MTS arriving at the scene at the home
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Speaker 1: of James Ryan, Doctor James Ryan, who says he goes
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Speaker 1: to bed at ten thirty at night with the girlfriend
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Speaker 1: downstairs and wakes up the next morning, comes downstairs and
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Speaker 1: she is unresponsive on the couch right right, And they
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Speaker 1: found all kinds of paraphernalia and drugs of the seem
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Speaker 1: typodermic needles. They found propafall, they found ketamine, they found
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Speaker 1: other drugs and these were not a little vile. These
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Speaker 1: were large containers. Oh, I want to circle back to
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Speaker 1: what you just said. Lindsey wants about the large containers. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold that thought. I'm doctor William Moroney. Ketamine. Ketamine is
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Speaker 1: in a classification called a sedative hypnotic, and there is
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Speaker 1: almost there's absolutely no indication to have IV ketamine in
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Speaker 1: your house. That is a hospital drug. That is it
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Speaker 1: is unethical. There's no medical diagnosis that requires that ketamine.
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Speaker 1: That's dangerous, dangerous stuff. It is anesthesia at the doses
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Speaker 1: given for IV doses, It has no purpose in anybody's home. Propofol.
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Speaker 1: We could say about the same thing. But that's how
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson died. He was getting I Yeah, why would
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Speaker 1: you have something like ketamine or propiphol in your home. Well,
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Speaker 1: mister Ryan appears to have had chemically hijacked sex slaves.
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Speaker 1: He called her a girlfriend. Well you just put it
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Speaker 1: out there, didn't you chemically hijack sex? Like, let me
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Speaker 1: just put that up in my head because now you've
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Speaker 1: said it, it's up here. It's never going away. Chemically
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Speaker 1: hijack sex like, thanks doctor Moroney for just putting that
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Speaker 1: in my head. That's something I can think about tonight.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I haven't even introduced the panel. Ken
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Speaker 1: Balcan High Profile Law, your criminal defense attorney joining us.
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Speaker 1: You can find me at Belcan Law dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold renounced like hijra's joining us out the Atlanta
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Speaker 1: jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor William Moroney,
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Speaker 1: who I've already introduced. Robert Crispin, probably an investigator at
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Speaker 1: Crispin Special Investigations. You can find him at Crispin Investigations
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Speaker 1: dot com. Well, you know what, while I've got you
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Speaker 1: also with me, Lindsay Watts, Emmy Award winning reporter with
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Speaker 1: Fox five DC her hit podcast Siege on Democracy. You
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Speaker 1: can find her there as well. Crispin, what about it?
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Speaker 1: They show up a doctor, he's a doctor of oral,
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Speaker 1: he's an oral surgeon. But they come in it looks
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Speaker 1: like a crack house. For Pete's sake. First of all, Crispin,
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Speaker 1: have you ever been in a crack house? I've been
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Speaker 1: in many, many, many many things. Yeah, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: proud to say that, but crack houses are unlike anything
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Speaker 1: you've ever seen. The first one I went into, I
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Speaker 1: thought I was gonna get shot, but they would not
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Speaker 1: answer the front door when they saw me and my investigator.
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Speaker 1: We had to sneak around about one am. By this point,
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Speaker 1: I was trying to find a witness. Went around to
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Speaker 1: the back door. That's before I had children, had no
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Speaker 1: life at all. It was all about getting the bad guys.
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Speaker 1: Went to the back door and just walked in the place.
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Speaker 1: There was a burned out sofa upside down, somebody thrown
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Speaker 1: on the floor. There's no other furniture. There were all
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Speaker 1: kinds of people milling around. They were all high on
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Speaker 1: something um and there were drugs, drugs, drugs, hypodermic needles,
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Speaker 1: just anything. Everything was in that room, people you know,
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Speaker 1: burning up, cry. Yeah, just it was horrible. So tell
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Speaker 1: me what you make of the scene that Lindsay Watts
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Speaker 1: has described. So you would think, as you describe, a
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Speaker 1: doctor would have a nice house, beautiful in oh yeah, security,
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Speaker 1: a gate that's you know, an automated gate. And I
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Speaker 1: imagine this beautiful home that an interior decorator is done
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Speaker 1: where you look out the back patio set, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: glass doors to like maybe an infinity pool or is
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Speaker 1: that what you would think? Just beautiful? But it's a
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Speaker 1: drug den. It's a it's a it's a class a
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Speaker 1: drug den. And what I mean by a drug den
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Speaker 1: is clearly people go to these houses to get high,
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Speaker 1: and they get high and they stay for a little
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Speaker 1: while and then they leave. This here was their residence
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Speaker 1: and it was also a drug den that they had
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Speaker 1: set up, that he had set up. So Lindsey Watts
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Speaker 1: joining me Fix five DC, tell me again, the cops come.
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Speaker 1: I guess the e mts get their first the ambulance.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Tell me what happened exactly. Yeah, they
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Speaker 1: arrived to this house. They're called for the overdose. They're
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Speaker 1: finding all of these drugs an ivy poll in the
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Speaker 1: home as well. And what have heard from sources is
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Speaker 1: these weren't again just little vials of drugs. These were
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Speaker 1: like you would find at a pharmacy. He was using
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Speaker 1: his position as an oral surgeon to get massive amounts
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Speaker 1: of these drugs that have no business in a home.
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Speaker 1: And according to the court documents, this was something that
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Speaker 1: was playing out over months that they were together. She
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Speaker 1: came into his office to get her wisdom teeth removed.
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Speaker 1: He offers her a job. A few months later they're dating.
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Speaker 1: She eventually moves into his home and through the text
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Speaker 1: messages you see that she developed a serious addiction that
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Speaker 1: prosecutors say he said by giving her these drugs over time. Wow, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I wonder where she got all that? I wonder where
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Speaker 1: this woman, she's just twenty five years old. How did
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Speaker 1: she turn from this a beautiful, young, vibrant girl to
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Speaker 1: a pale, bruised up dope addict after she starts dating
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Speaker 1: doctor James Ryan or As thanks again moroney for putting
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Speaker 1: this in my head. What did he say A chemically
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Speaker 1: what did you say, chemically kidnapped? Sixthly chemically indeed set
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Speaker 1: he was a predator. Yeah, he was a predator. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this. I'm In January twenty six, twenty to Montgomery
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Speaker 1: County Police in Montgomery County Fire Rescue Service responded to
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Speaker 1: an address in the thirteen nine hundred block of Godwood Street, Clarksburgh,
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Speaker 1: Montgomery County, Maryland for the report of an overdose. Sarah Harris,
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Speaker 1: twenty five year old female, was discovered to cease in
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Speaker 1: the residence, and autopsy later done at the office of
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Speaker 1: the Chief Medical Examiner's Office in Maryland would later determine
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Speaker 1: the cause of Harris's death was ketamine and diazepam intoxication,
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Speaker 1: and the manner of death at that time was undetermined.
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Speaker 1: Harris's boyfriend, doctor James Michael Ryan, was also at the
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Speaker 1: residence that he shared with Harris. Doctor Ryan is an
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Speaker 1: oral surgeon with a practice in German Town. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Sarah Harris, twenty five year old female,
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Speaker 1: was discovered to cease in the residence, and autopsy later
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Speaker 1: done at the office of the Chief Medical Examiner's Office
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Speaker 1: in Maryland would later determine the cause of Harris's death
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Speaker 1: was ketamine and diazepam intoxication and the manner of death
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Speaker 1: at that time was undetermined. Harris's boyfriend, doctor James Michael Ryan,
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Speaker 1: was also at the residence that he shared with Harris.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Ryan is an oral surgeon with a practice in
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Speaker 1: German tam You are hearing the Montgomery County Police Chief
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Speaker 1: Marcus Jones king, you know, I didn't quite believe Maroney
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Speaker 1: first time. I didn't believe him. I never agree with
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Speaker 1: him usually, but um and looks up ketamine and it
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Speaker 1: is He's right. The medication used for induction and maintenance
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Speaker 1: of anesthesia, inducing dissociative anesthesia in a trance like state,
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Speaker 1: providing pain, releasedation in amnesia, So that is typically used.
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Speaker 1: Then doctor Moroney in surgery, well, if you have a
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Speaker 1: really difficult tooth coming out, you don't want to remember
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Speaker 1: what was going on, so it knocks you out. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but nobody has ketamine in their home. We
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Speaker 1: have three hundred and fifty million Americans. Nobody has ketamine
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Speaker 1: IVY in their home for this purpose. He's a predator.
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Speaker 1: He doped her up and kept her for months and
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Speaker 1: months and months. You know, doctor Moroney, that's a crime.
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Speaker 1: And I want to interject. Les are saying that he
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Speaker 1: gave it to her while she was sleeping, at one
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Speaker 1: point that he was injecting it into her allegedly while
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Speaker 1: she was asleep. Okay, let me clear something up, doctor Moroney,
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Speaker 1: you are, if I'm not wrong, a medical doctor. When
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Speaker 1: did you go to law skill and start pronouncing the
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Speaker 1: correct charges? And when when did that happen? Well, I
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Speaker 1: do write death certificates. Never. Never? Okay, so never I do.
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Speaker 1: I do write death certificate. Yeah, I taken. Listen to
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Speaker 1: you more from Montgomery County Police Chief Marcus j. Also
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Speaker 1: located in the residence at the time were various bottles
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Speaker 1: of propo fall meet as long ketamine, and diazepam. Numerous
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Speaker 1: hypodermic needles, syringes, and turni quids were discovered nearby as well.
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Speaker 1: These bottles are not the type of medication that would
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Speaker 1: normally be just spends from a pharmacy and are usually
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Speaker 1: reserved for a clinical medical settings. Detectives begin an investigation
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Speaker 1: into the facts of circumstances surrounding the death. We know
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Speaker 1: that Sarah is found dead in the home of this
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Speaker 1: oral surgeon that she began dating after having her wisdom
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Speaker 1: teeth removed, But how did it get to this point?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our forensic climb online. Sarah Jane
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Speaker 1: Harris and doctor James Michael Ryan meet at his dental
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Speaker 1: practice in the fall of twenty twenty. Ryan is an
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Speaker 1: oral surgeon and Harris is there for a procedure. During
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Speaker 1: the appointment, Harris mentions she has experience working in a
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Speaker 1: dental office. Not long after, Ryan contacts Harris about a job,
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Speaker 1: which Harris accepts. The couple's relationship grows. Outside the office.
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Speaker 1: Harris and doctor Ryan begin dating, and Harris begins spending
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Speaker 1: significant time at Ryan's home. During the summer of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty one, Harris moves in permanently, and apparently it progressed
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Speaker 1: in more ways than romantically. Take a listen to the
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Speaker 1: Montgomer County Police Chief. Investigators learned that family members noticed
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Speaker 1: that Harris Harris's physical appearance was changing over time and
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Speaker 1: that she did not look healthy. On two different occasions,
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Speaker 1: Harris was discovered in their residence surrounded by empty medicine bottles,
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Speaker 1: similar to what was discovered at the death seat. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Lindsey Watts, joining us Fox five DC, explain to me
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Speaker 1: what her family began noticing she certainly lost her bloom
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Speaker 1: of youth. And you know what else? Also, everybody, especially you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angie Arnold, I want you to go online. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at the address Gottwood Street in Clarksburg, Maryland. It's
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Speaker 1: a beautiful home. Anybody's driving by the home would have
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Speaker 1: no idea that it's a drug den, as doctor Moroney says,
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Speaker 1: a chemically induced sex slave inside. It's it's a classical
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Speaker 1: two door home, beautiful lawn, beautifully capt the interior is gorgeous. Lindsay,
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Speaker 1: wats back to you, Lindsay, what did the family begin
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Speaker 1: noticing about Sarah their sister, their daughter, Sarah Nancy. It's
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Speaker 1: been heartbreaking talking to her mother. She sent me photos
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Speaker 1: of her daughter from just around the time or just
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Speaker 1: before she met the doctor. She was a beauty queen.
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Speaker 1: She was twenty twenty, miss Marilyn Petite. So I have
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Speaker 1: a picture of her with her sash and her crown.
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Speaker 1: Whoaa wait wait, what tell me that again? She was
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, miss Marilyn Petite, and so I had this
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Speaker 1: photo of her with her dress and with her sash
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Speaker 1: and with her crown. Other photos where she looks just gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: a vibrant, healthy girl. And her mother talked about just
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Speaker 1: how beautiful her daughter was, and she wasted away as
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Speaker 1: she became more and more addicted. You know, the family
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Speaker 1: recognized there was a problem, and you have to imagine
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Speaker 1: how helpless they felt because they saw that she was
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Speaker 1: surrounded by these drugs at her new home. They saw
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Speaker 1: the marks on her arm. I know, her sister actually
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Speaker 1: worked at the practice along with her, so you have
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Speaker 1: to imagine that she really had a good sense of
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Speaker 1: possibly what was happening. And what was really something that
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Speaker 1: stood out to me is it was the sister after
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Speaker 1: Sarah overdosed, who went into her social media accounts, got
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Speaker 1: into her phone and supplied police with all of these
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Speaker 1: text messages between Sarah and the doctor that really set
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Speaker 1: up this case for them. I mean, that is a
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Speaker 1: sister who was determined to get Stesson and that really
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Speaker 1: gave me a lot of emotion reading that about what
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Speaker 1: she did to make sure that this case moved forward
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Speaker 1: and all of that got into the hands of police.
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Speaker 1: You're understanding, Lindsay Watts, what did the text messages say?
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Speaker 1: There are a host of messages that spell out that
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Speaker 1: this doctor is supplying these drugs. They're having conversations while
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Speaker 1: he is at work and she is at home. She's
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Speaker 1: asking for certain drugs. He is telling her what he's
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Speaker 1: going to bring to her. She tells him, Hey, honey,
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Speaker 1: we're out of syringes. You guys, I'll bring them home.
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Speaker 1: He's telling her about how she's feeling, that she's feeling dehydrated,
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Speaker 1: that she's feeling losing, very extensive conversations about the drug use.
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Speaker 1: That also indicates that he was using himself. Well, Lindsey
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Speaker 1: Watts is right, take a listen to the police chief.
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Speaker 1: In at least one instance, she was discovered in an
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Speaker 1: altered state and had arms that were covered in needle
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Speaker 1: marks and RUSS investigators who were able to obtain copies
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Speaker 1: of text messages and other communications between doctor Ryan and Harris.
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Speaker 1: In these communications, both Harris and doctor Ryan have frank
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Speaker 1: and explicit conversations which depict Harris asking doctor Ryan to
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Speaker 1: obtain and or procure different drugs from the practice. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Ryan repeatedly tells Harris that he is bringing her drugs
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Speaker 1: and structs her how to use the drugs and where
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Speaker 1: she can find drugs in their residence. To doctor Angie
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Speaker 1: Arnold joining US psychiatrists out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, her
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Speaker 1: dependency on him for drugs, then no bounce. She could
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Speaker 1: not break out of it. Her family tried to help her.
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Speaker 1: They saw all the bruising, they saw the track well,
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Speaker 1: Nancy to the help that she would need at that
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Speaker 1: point would be to be detox from all of these things.
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Speaker 1: He was probably keeping her in some sort of altered
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Speaker 1: state mentally, and all she could think about at this
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Speaker 1: point was where she was a drug addict. It sounded
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Speaker 1: like he created a drug addict. So what do drug
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Speaker 1: addicts do. They're waiting for their next fix all the time,
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Speaker 1: they're not thinking about going home. And this was way
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Speaker 1: too far gone. She needed a good detox place. She
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Speaker 1: needed to be in the hospital, but he was gonna
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Speaker 1: it sounds like he was going to make sure that
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Speaker 1: none of that happened. For her intervention intervention, she needed
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Speaker 1: somebody to go in. Family intervene, bring the sheriff Dre's intervention.
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Speaker 1: She needed the detox that she needed to be forcefully
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Speaker 1: taken away. She could not make those decisions. She was
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Speaker 1: chemically kidnapped, She was hijacked, and at that point she
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Speaker 1: didn't know what she was doing, but he did, and
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Speaker 1: that that is kidnapping. I'm sorry I didn't go to
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Speaker 1: law school. Ken Belcan, criminal defense attorney, joining us at
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Speaker 1: Belkin Law dot com. Why is there any reason this
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Speaker 1: oral surgeon should not be charged with murder? Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't murder her. She took the drugs
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Speaker 1: that killed herself. So I think really he injected her.
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Speaker 1: He was the one injecting her, but she was apt
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Speaker 1: to reports for it. All right. I understand he might
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Speaker 1: have made a decision that was wrong in a medical context.
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Speaker 1: But you know, all the time you hear on these
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Speaker 1: pharmaceutical commercials, asked your doctor about this, asked your doctor
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Speaker 1: about that? Well, maybe she was asking her doctor about
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Speaker 1: propofol and kedemy. He's not a doctor. He's an oral surgeon,
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Speaker 1: very likely, very likely having sex with her, as Maroney
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Speaker 1: has described, We don't know that yet. Here's the other thing.
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Speaker 1: It is imp lot of speculation. We're going from depraved
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Speaker 1: heart murder, you know, basically to chemically induced kidnapped sex slave.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a bit of a stretch. It makes
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Speaker 1: Lizzy Watts joining us on Fox five, what do we know? Well,
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Speaker 1: he did the family try to help her. It does
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Speaker 1: look like the family wanted to help. Obviously they knew
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Speaker 1: what was going on. They had at least some knowledge.
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Speaker 1: Those text messages indicate that she had overdosed in the past,
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Speaker 1: not too long before she ultimately died, and so there
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Speaker 1: was a lot going on. And you know, this doctor
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Speaker 1: is looking at seventy eight years if he is convicted
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Speaker 1: on all charges, because he is facing this depraved heart
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Speaker 1: murder charge. So, you know, fascinating to see where this
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Speaker 1: case goes because of the argument that he didn't intend
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Speaker 1: to kill her, but he should have known as a
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Speaker 1: doctor where this was going, especially if she had already
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Speaker 1: overdosed one and knew it. You know, it happened there,
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Speaker 1: and it's Home Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: you earlier heard Lindsay Watts referred to Miss Maryland Petite.
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Speaker 1: There is a USA beauty pageant called Petite USA Beauty Pageant,
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Speaker 1: and it's the largest pageant in the country for women
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Speaker 1: five six and under. And this woman, Sarah was Miss
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Speaker 1: Maryland Petite. She's a tiny, petite woman and beautiful and young.
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Speaker 1: I mean, have you looked her up as Miss Maryland Petite? Gorgeous?
25:04
Speaker 1: You know why, you guys were talking about. I was
25:05
Speaker 1: trying to do some quick research. But you know, in
25:07
Speaker 1: her being such a petite girl, you know, forget about
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Speaker 1: getting these drugs illegally. She needs to be even monitored
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Speaker 1: even in a medical controlled setting because she's so petite
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Speaker 1: on how much drugs going on board in her body.
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Speaker 1: So you know, this doctor who gave her all this
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Speaker 1: medicine is just given her free reins to do this
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Speaker 1: on her own at home. It's beyond me. Jackie. Have
25:32
Speaker 1: you seen her as miss Marylyn petite? And now I
25:35
Speaker 1: see well, I mean to you Maroney, doctor William Maroney.
25:40
Speaker 1: You see her in her pageant dress and her sash
25:44
Speaker 1: and her crown. She's a classic beauty. I mean the
25:48
Speaker 1: angles in her face, I mean, I don't think you
25:51
Speaker 1: can draw them that beautifully. She's stunning. And then her
25:56
Speaker 1: family says she had wasted away. Arms were covered in
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Speaker 1: bruises and track marks. Just I remember the first time
26:04
Speaker 1: I saw track marks on a junkie and it was like, um,
26:10
Speaker 1: the same, you had that gut reaction. I almost recoil,
26:16
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to hurt the guy's feelings. He
26:20
Speaker 1: was a witness in a case. You know, when you
26:23
Speaker 1: suddenly see a snake. It just you shock. You want
26:29
Speaker 1: to recoil, just instinctively. When I saw those track marks
26:33
Speaker 1: for the first time, it just it's horrible looking, doctor Moroney.
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Speaker 1: It's a small bruise. It's a bleeding because you entered
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Speaker 1: the vein or an artery, and it's a bruise on
26:45
Speaker 1: the arm and it's a dark spot and then they
26:48
Speaker 1: smooth up. But on the inside of the artery was
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Speaker 1: scar tissue. And the more track marks you get, the
26:54
Speaker 1: harder it is to get an injection to work there
26:58
Speaker 1: because they swell up. It's as big as a mosquito bite.
27:02
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a clear sign. It's what we
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Speaker 1: call pathomnemonic for IVY drug use. We I see track
27:11
Speaker 1: marks some people's jugular veins in their necks because they've
27:14
Speaker 1: blown all the veins in their arms. When somebody's that bad,
27:18
Speaker 1: they need to be removed from their environment. And he's
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Speaker 1: ethically not supposed to be treating spouse's girlfriends or family.
27:27
Speaker 1: As a medical practitioner, we're never supposed to treat spouse's
27:32
Speaker 1: girlfriends or family. You're supposed to send them away. Then
27:35
Speaker 1: none of us is treatment, and you're not supposed to
27:38
Speaker 1: date patients and you're not supposed to that, Okay. Is
27:43
Speaker 1: that balcon jumping in. I'm just saying, we're throwing a
27:46
Speaker 1: lot of allergies, just saying I don't think the appellet
27:49
Speaker 1: course will take your just saying because he has been
27:54
Speaker 1: charged with murder, not malice murder, which is, Oh, I'm
27:58
Speaker 1: gonna kill Jackie and I'm going to poison her every
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Speaker 1: day for the next six months until she kills over.
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Speaker 1: No depraved heart, it's more akin to abandon or malignant heart.
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Speaker 1: It sometimes called. For instance, if I take the minivan
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Speaker 1: and I drive through the cherry Blossom festival at ninety
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Speaker 1: h and just mow down a lot of people. I
28:21
Speaker 1: don't know who they are, and I don't care who
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Speaker 1: they are. I have a depraved and malignant heart, and
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Speaker 1: I have no concern for human life. So you dope
28:35
Speaker 1: now underweight drug addict, over and over and over and
28:41
Speaker 1: then wow, surprise, she dies. That is a complete disregard
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Speaker 1: for human life. Belcon, that's the charge. But what about
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Speaker 1: her partners? What about the fact that she could have
28:53
Speaker 1: been on other things that the doctor wasn't aware of. Oh, okay,
28:57
Speaker 1: so you're telling me the life of a junkie and
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Speaker 1: somehow less important than the life of who a politician
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Speaker 1: or a TV star. Well, Ltdy Justice doesn't agree. I'm
29:08
Speaker 1: not saying that every every life is important, but you know,
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Speaker 1: at some point does not the quote unquote junkie bear
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Speaker 1: some responsibility here or did it all get fun? Arguing
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Speaker 1: that too, there is no responsibility because she's so far gone.
29:26
Speaker 1: She can't make those decisions. She's got track marks, she's
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Speaker 1: got ivy drugs of an industrial nature. You cannot expect
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Speaker 1: that brain to make a rational decision. There is nothing
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Speaker 1: left in her because she's a shell. He created a shell. Oh,
29:46
Speaker 1: I've got an answer, old On Moroney, I've got an
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Speaker 1: answer for you, tay. He listen our cut twelve, our
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Speaker 1: French Cheyenne corn and w W d v M. Here
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Speaker 1: is the sister provided authorities with messages between Ryan and Harris,
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Speaker 1: showing Harris asking for different drugs from his practice and
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Speaker 1: Ryan also instructing her on how to take them. The
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Speaker 1: message is also revealed Ryan gave Harris kettle mine while
30:10
Speaker 1: she was asleep and Harris overdosed once before she died
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Speaker 1: in late January. So there, you haven't in his own
30:17
Speaker 1: text messages. Am I correct, Lindsey, wats if I'm not
30:20
Speaker 1: tell me? We learn that he gave her ketamine hospital
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Speaker 1: anaesthesia in her sleep. She had no way to say
30:34
Speaker 1: yay or nay. That is what police are saying, and yes,
30:37
Speaker 1: that is what the text messages in charging documents indicate.
30:41
Speaker 1: It says, if you wake up, I just went out
30:44
Speaker 1: to change after I gave you ketamine just now. And
30:48
Speaker 1: so this might not have been as clear as police
30:51
Speaker 1: didn't state this in the press conference, that this is
30:54
Speaker 1: something that happened. I don't know what you're saying. It
30:56
Speaker 1: looks like something that happened or didn't happen. The text
31:00
Speaker 1: messages revealed he gave her sleep, yes exactly, but I
31:05
Speaker 1: just reading this myself. Reading this text message, it says
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Speaker 1: I went out to change after I gave you ketamine
31:11
Speaker 1: just now, So it's not spelling it out as specifically. However,
31:15
Speaker 1: police told us that this is something that happened, that
31:19
Speaker 1: he gave her ketamine while she was sleeping. So Ken Belkin,
31:22
Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, joining us if he gave her a
31:26
Speaker 1: ketamine in her sleep, it's just like Conrad Murray and
31:32
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, who doped Michael Jackson until he died and left.
31:37
Speaker 1: I mean here, he gave her ketamine, which is I
31:39
Speaker 1: believe intravenous, and left her with kennemine dripping through her system,
31:44
Speaker 1: just like in Michael Jackson, with profitfal belkin impaired memory
31:50
Speaker 1: and forgetfulness. Why would you give that to somebody in
31:53
Speaker 1: their sleep? There goes my best law student, doctor William Moroney,
31:57
Speaker 1: medical doctor William Moroney, bell Ken he's giving her in
32:02
Speaker 1: her sleep. Look, first of all, I don't know if
32:06
Speaker 1: if there is a procedure for giving ketamine to someone
32:09
Speaker 1: when they're in their sleep. I know that people are
32:11
Speaker 1: on ketamine therapy and sometimes they may be sleeping. You
32:14
Speaker 1: can what are you talking about? Well, if her doctor's
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Speaker 1: giving it to her, Okay, now, Moroni, clearly I'm not
32:24
Speaker 1: getting through. Giving industrial ivy anesthesia to a woman at
32:30
Speaker 1: home that you live with is not therapy. That's abuse.
32:36
Speaker 1: She has no insight to stop. And if he's using
32:40
Speaker 1: these drugs, he has no insight to stop because he
32:45
Speaker 1: is also hijacked. But there's nothing that's ever gonna come
32:50
Speaker 1: good from a fifty year old anesthesia oral surgeon dating
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Speaker 1: a twenty year old woman and then doing drugs together.
32:59
Speaker 1: Hey hey, hey, hi, hi, hi hey. I'm asking you
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Speaker 1: for a medical opinion, not your moral judgment. You and
33:07
Speaker 1: I'm agree that what is this fifty year old man
33:10
Speaker 1: doing with a twenty five year old moment that's none
33:12
Speaker 1: of our business. I'm a little more focused on the burner.
33:17
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut one WDVM. Right here
33:21
Speaker 1: at his own practice is where doctor James Ryan was
33:25
Speaker 1: taken into custody. The oral surgeon is now facing seventy
33:29
Speaker 1: eight years behind bars. Police say that the forty nine
33:33
Speaker 1: year old Dennis was providing twenty five year old Sarah
33:36
Speaker 1: Harris with drugs. Police also tell me that Harris was
33:40
Speaker 1: not only a former patient, but the two were also
33:44
Speaker 1: any relationship. Police at Harris visited Ryan in the fall
33:48
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty for a medical procedure, and he then
33:51
Speaker 1: offered her a job as a surgical technician. Investigators say
33:55
Speaker 1: they then began dating early twenty twenty one, and the
33:58
Speaker 1: two moved in together, and that's when police say Harris's
34:01
Speaker 1: family members noticed a decline in her health. Her mom
34:06
Speaker 1: even noticed track marks on her arm. So Robert Crispin,
34:09
Speaker 1: private investigator at Crispin's special investigations. How do we go
34:12
Speaker 1: about proving a case like this? I find it really
34:16
Speaker 1: difficult to believe that all on her own she could
34:21
Speaker 1: set up an ivy drip of a kadamine to the
34:25
Speaker 1: point she odd. You know, Nancy, you know how many
34:28
Speaker 1: families out there wish they had this type of evidence
34:31
Speaker 1: when they walk in and find one of their loved
34:32
Speaker 1: ones dead from an overdose. They just wish they could
34:34
Speaker 1: figure out who gave it to him. This case right
34:37
Speaker 1: here rises and falls on the doctor himself. His own
34:41
Speaker 1: text messages are the epic evidence that are going to
34:44
Speaker 1: sink him. And even more so is the initial responding
34:48
Speaker 1: officers in that crime scene is going to finish putting
34:51
Speaker 1: the prosecution's touch on how she died, who supplied her
34:55
Speaker 1: with the evidence, I mean, with the drugs, And it's
34:59
Speaker 1: a the show case. If he asked me, as an investigator,
35:02
Speaker 1: I will tell you I've had so many families come
35:05
Speaker 1: to me and ask, how can we charge this person?
35:08
Speaker 1: I know they gave him the oxycotton, or they gave
35:10
Speaker 1: him this or that, and I'm like, listen, I wish
35:12
Speaker 1: there was more we could do. Back when I was
35:13
Speaker 1: in law enforcement, I really wish we could. This was
35:16
Speaker 1: handed to law enforcement on a silver platter. The doctor
35:19
Speaker 1: handed them his own evidence through his text message. You know,
35:24
Speaker 1: doctor Andy Arnold, I will never forget. It was maybe
35:28
Speaker 1: the first year I was prosecuting, and I was taking
35:33
Speaker 1: the stairs into the elevator in the building. There were
35:35
Speaker 1: many many floors, fleets attorney, fleets of attorneys, and I
35:39
Speaker 1: got off on one floor and there was a ton
35:44
Speaker 1: of media. The floor was packed. I got right back
35:47
Speaker 1: on the elevator and continued to my form of my
35:50
Speaker 1: office was. I said, what's happening on seven? Do you
35:54
Speaker 1: remember all in the family? Or what was the other one?
35:57
Speaker 1: Carol O'Connor was the heat of the night or something anyway,
36:00
Speaker 1: his son, Carol O'Connor's son died of a drug overdose,
36:04
Speaker 1: and he civilly sued the supplier, and that was what
36:10
Speaker 1: was happening. But this case goes so much beyond being
36:14
Speaker 1: a supplier. This is tell me where the family goes
36:19
Speaker 1: through when they see their loved one wait literally wasting away. Well,
36:25
Speaker 1: I imagine they feel completely hopeless, Nancy. You can feel
36:30
Speaker 1: completely hopeless about a family member if they're not even
36:32
Speaker 1: wasting away, if there's nothing that you can do that
36:36
Speaker 1: you can seemingly do to help them, because families aren't
36:40
Speaker 1: equipped to to really help pick people out of this.
36:45
Speaker 1: At least they were trying to get to her and
36:47
Speaker 1: get her out of this situation. But Nancy, there is
36:51
Speaker 1: so much wrong enough from the very beginning, the mere
36:56
Speaker 1: fact that this doctor was bringing this stuff to his home.
37:00
Speaker 1: Who was counting it? Who was counting it? It is awesome.
37:04
Speaker 1: Oh wait, good question, doctor Moroney. It's alleged that he
37:08
Speaker 1: illegally obtained the drugs from his practice, including medical apparatus
37:14
Speaker 1: like ivy stands, needles, and ivy bags. Don't medical practices
37:19
Speaker 1: or dentist's practice keep count of the medicine and the paraphernalia,
37:25
Speaker 1: and notice when it goes missing. For him to bring
37:28
Speaker 1: this stuff home and say that it was legal, he
37:32
Speaker 1: had to show prescriptions, he had to show medical needs,
37:36
Speaker 1: he had to show progress notes, and he had to
37:39
Speaker 1: have a billing relationship to supply the drugs and the equipment.
37:45
Speaker 1: And you can guarantee that none of those four things
37:47
Speaker 1: are done. This guy's throwing this stuff in the back
37:50
Speaker 1: of his autie or his VMW and he's sneaking it out,
37:55
Speaker 1: bringing it home in a relationship that's inappropriate. Somebody who's
38:00
Speaker 1: chemically kidnapped. We wait as justice unfolds. As Lindsay Watts
38:06
Speaker 1: told us, the Good Doctor is now facing seventy eight
38:10
Speaker 1: years behind bars. As far as I'm concerned, that's not enough.
38:15
Speaker 1: If you are someone you love needs help, and we
38:19
Speaker 1: all know that person that needs help, please call one
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Speaker 1: eight hundred sixty six to help. One eight hundred six
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