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The Bennington Triangle · Boozy Banter with Friends

• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Grab a cocktail as we talk about life and death.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Everything in between and beyond.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Join us for a little boozy banter with friends.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Hello there.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Hello.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: We're back in our I I cannot get over recording again in our own space.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and we're doing video.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're used to recording like in our own space, like audio, but I can't get over being able to do video in here.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like I feel like we've been traveling so much and doing it that being here and doing it is still very, very unique to me, but it shouldn't be.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: We've been doing it for a few weeks now.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: For me, what's different is getting used to that intro on camera.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because usually we're we're curled up in our chairs and and it's just, I don't know why it's so weirdly different.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's very different.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're like, hi.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I know.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: But when I we do just the audio, I'm like, hello.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: I maybe it's the face.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like we get into it.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I do get into it.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I think probably the more we do the videos, the more relaxed I'll become.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: The more comfortable you'll be about it.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be a thing.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we already talked about the whole, like I am not a FaceTime person or I don't like to be recorded.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: I usually don't like my picture taken.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: So uh this is like this is a different world for me.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still adjusting, but we're getting there.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: We're getting there.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: We're getting there.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing it.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Stepping outside our comfort zone.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Dang it.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, we're already well into fall.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and um we're but we're still sipping on our summer stuff.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: So um this summer we did our road trip to uh Pennsylvania for our book thing, and we stopped at a few breweries in in Asheville, North Carolina on our way home, and we bought so much beer, and we had several crowlers um done of beers that they don't normally bottle.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so we're on our last one.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: We had our last crawler, and uh this one is from New Belgium Brewing Brewing Comp.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it was so good.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: I asked the guy, she loved it, hey, what do you serve to people who are like uh to the beer?
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, I got you.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so a few weeks ago we did the one that I said tasted like a mimosa, which was very good.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was so good.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I bought a little four-pack or six-pack of that and brought it home.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this one they don't, they don't bottle, it's only on tap, and they don't usually put it in a crawler because it's eight percent.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um don't tell them.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I know, and Dale, that was his name, right?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: Dale, yeah.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Dale was so, so sweet.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was an essay.
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  SPEAKER_01: He didn't do it on purpose.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's like, oh, we're not, I'll just go ahead and do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um he he bottled it up, but this one was called uh Amalfi Beach.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's and it's sour, it's a sour-fruited Italian, what did that say?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Italian spritz inspired beer.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it the description says um Italian spritz-inspired beer made from a blend of golden wood age sour and a bubbly pale ale with Chardonnay grapes, scuppernog grapes, tangerine puree, orange puree, and spices.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he said um it's like an April spritz.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it definitely a little bit of sour because it gets you right in.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, anyhow, um, it's got a beautiful like gold orangey color to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just a very pretty, nice smelling beer.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of a it's a a little bit of, I guess it's classified as a sour, which I'm not a big sour fan.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this is good.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's um, ooh, it's sour, but it's also got that nice orange taste.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's definitely for the girlies.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you want like a cocktail beer, that's a cocktail beer.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is definitely I would consider this absolutely a cocktail beer.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely right up my alley.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Great recommendation.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in the area of uh Asheville, South Carolina, uh North Carolina, go check them out.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, they have a really huge tasting room and they do a great job pairing you up with what you want or what you like.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: So um it was it was a good stop.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love New Belgium.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: I know we wouldn't have stopped there if it wasn't for Layla.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many beers that they have there that I really like.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still I'm down to my last six-pack of the orange blossom.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, triple, which is so good.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: I had talked about driving up to the DC area to see Valerie while she's home uh on her break.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: And if I do, when we drive home, I will swing, you know, four hours out of my way to go to Asheville to get some for you.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what that's called?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: A true friend.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: My ride or die.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, did you ever watch that show?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: There was a show on Amazon Prime called Ride or Die about two best friends.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the girl, the lady Hannah, I think her name is Hannah Waddingham.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: She's on some show that's spirit, I don't know what the show is called.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Ted Lasso?
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: Anyhow, I don't know what she's from, but she is a very tall, striking British woman.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think she's hilarious, but she's in this show with I think Octavia Spencer thinks so.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think, anyways, they're a great duo.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a great friend show.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Normally I'd be like, oh, I'm not watching that.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I don't like, yeah.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a lot of action in this one, and I love that um they get into so much trouble and get themselves out of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't rely on anybody else.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I just I thought it was a great, a great show.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to, you told me about it when we were doing our walks.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a limited series, but they set it up for a second season.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: So hopefully they continue on because it was it was worth it.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: So um, but I did watch a movie this weekend.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: I watched several.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't feeling well earlier in the week.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so I watched several movies.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: I watched the passenger, or I don't know if it's the passenger, but I watched Passenger.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um it I had some creepy moments for sure.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but otherwise, I mean, it just at the end, it was all like, oh, look, they survived, of course.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was one of those, you know, like they should have died 15 times, but somehow they survived.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I watched What Happened to Dorothy Bell?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, the acting in that one was terrible.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's on Shudder.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so if you have AMC Plus, you'll be able to watch it.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: What happened to Dorothy Bell?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: The story, the storyline is great.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there are definitely some super creepy moments.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think it could have been a really great movie, but the acting was just so bad.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um you hope that anybody can be an actor.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I just don't I don't understand.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: I I do understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not exactly the biggest budget film, so I can see why, but uh definitely worth watching.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I enjoyed it for sure.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just don't have high expectations and you will enjoy it thoroughly.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then the last one I watched was weird as shit.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was texted me about this, what, last night or the night before?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is this the one called The Reading?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Did I tell you about the reading?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: You texted me.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, holy shit, Layla.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's called The Reading, and it's about this woman who goes through a terrible home invasion and writes a book about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she invites a young psychic who is a psychic but kind of a scam artist also into her home uh with her friends who record her and do all this stuff to come in and um reach out to her family that and to kind of help her dress everything that happened, you know, back when during the home invasion.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: And let's just say, like the the girl is more she is definitely a psychic, but she doesn't use she usually says what people want to hear so that she can be paid.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: And um she finds out all kinds and it just movie was weird as shit.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it like I that it scared me because this woman was so crazy.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh just watch it.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: It again, I think it was on Shudder, but it's called The Reading, and it was really I wouldn't say it was good, like it's not one of those that you're gonna wanna wanna re-watch over and over or anything like that, but it's it's definitely worth the watch.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was good to watch it.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was good enough to to invest your time into it because you sent me a message saying I just finished this, and you're like, you have to watch it.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: You have to watch it.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: What the hell is going on here?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: What the hell?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was one of those movies, and but it was it was good.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I had to stop for a minute and really think about it because I'm like, what the hell did I just watch?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Shit.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it was good.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Watch it, watch it.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, it didn't get a lot of like people weren't really talking about it.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: I had never heard anything about it.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see it on anything, but it I think because there are so many other movies that have overshadowed it this year between uh what is it, Passenger and uh Obsession and uh what's the other backrooms or something like you know, all these movies are people are like, oh, it's so good.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: We watched Obsession, we were not impressed.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe it's a generational thing.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: We come from the slasher era and then this yeah.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of you have to have a you have to have a spell to make somebody batshit crazy.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: There were no spells involved in making people bat shit crazy in the 80s.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: It just happened naturally.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nowadays people are batshit crazy and they don't need no damn spells.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: You just talk about certain things and all of a sudden people turn batshit.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, you know, we we were underwhelmed.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that one was say I wouldn't say that one was one of my favorite no summer, so blockbusters scares.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So well, I do not have a scary story for you today, like a spooky haunted story, but I have an intriguing story.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, this caught my eye because I went to Vermont a few years ago, probably like eight, it's been all it's been eight years, because I'm thinking about how old my grandson is.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I went to visit our my friend, our friend Rachel.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Rachel, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, when she lived in Vermont, and she took me to Bennington uh and we did a ghost tour and we kind of walked around.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was beautiful, beautiful little town.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she kind of drove me all around, you know, where she lived up there, and and it's great.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but when I saw this, I'm like, I gotta do it because I've been up there.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um have you heard of the Bennington Triangle?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't either.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: What is it?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um tell you all about it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's it's interesting, that's for sure.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um in southwestern Vermont, the country around Glastonbury Mountain can appear peaceful in the daylight, uh, but for decades it has carried a darker reputation.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what surprised me about this area is it's it's rural.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like all of Vermont is rural, but this is really rural.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean you leave like the little, you know, two mile, two square mile downtown area, and there's nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like that in all directions.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just crazy.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not like what where you're it's not.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's not at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or even though you're rural.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: You still drive five minutes, ten minutes.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Five minutes in a grocery store.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Grocery stores.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, not here.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Not here.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's plenty of food options around here.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm sure it's changed, but when I went to go see her, like almost nine years ago, she lived up near Burlington.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: And Burlington's kind of like a uh it's a little on the it's bigger.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little bigger.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's got a few options in there.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then in that year, she had moved down to Bennington.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the first time I went to go see her, we went over to like Stowe Mountain, and there was no, there was no target.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: There was no Target in the whole state.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, geez.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: In the whole state.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: This was in 2017.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I feel like since then.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: There was a Walmart.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I feel like since then they've built one pretty somewhere.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: 2017, though, and there was no target.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: No target.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean It was 2017, it was different times.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Almost Twitter.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was yeah, it was almost, it'll be nine years in October that I went to visit her.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Vermont.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's different times.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: No target.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like I Trisha could never survive in that town, by the way.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to say.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's no target.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: How do you live out here?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do what?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Where do you go?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where do you go?
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have to go to Walmart?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine if I had to.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: How is your Walmart experiences up here?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think their Walmart experiences would be quite a bit different than you think.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't go into Walmart.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't go into the Walmart.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I mean our Walmart down here is you will get shanked.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: It depends on where you go.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the one by me over here on Colonial, you're gonna get shanked if you go into the Walmart.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody literally got shanked over like a Thanksgiving.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Over like, you know, we were in the news.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like our Walmart was in the news for somebody getting shanked over a TV on Black Friday.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh so yeah.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't go into Walmart.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Walmart's not my favorite.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I I give it a bad rap.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: But when we travel, I don't know what it is about other states' Walmarts that I feel it's okay to venture in.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, let's stop at Walmart.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: You said that last time we were traveling because we stopped at Walmart.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't bad.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's not in Florida.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: It must be okay.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was not a bad Walmart.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was it.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, when you really look around, when you really look hard, it's not much different.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: We just have like a completely different view of it.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh wow, look at this.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh look.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: All Walmart doesn't.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: This is a this is a Virginia Walmart.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: They they must be different.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, we don't know.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: So and we're not we don't live there.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't care.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: We don't care.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: To be honest.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: So anyways.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: But anyways.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: But it's true.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Back to my story.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Of no target.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wait, no, no.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's the real horror story here of no target.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And thanks for joining.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Between 1945 and 1950, five people disappeared in and around the Bennington Glastonbury region.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: I always find that fascinating when people disappear in the woods.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think that's fascinating to me.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what happened?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, there's no rhyme or reason to this.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what is so intriguing for people.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um the first person to go missing was a 74-year-old hunting guide who knew the woods very well.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now that's weird.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Another was an 18-year-old college student who went for a hike and never returned.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, then there was a World War I veteran who disappeared while traveling by bus.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: He was on a bus.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, um, and then uh an eight-year-old boy vanished when he was near his mother.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like his mother was he was in or near a car, her car, and she turned away and came back and he was gone.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: And last was a 53-year-old woman who disappeared during a family hiking trip.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Shit, that's my age.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Her I think you'll be fine if you go.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Her body was eventually found months later, but the circumstances surrounding her death remain unsolved.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: So the disappearances occurred years before anyone called the area the Bennington Triangle.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: So to understand the Bennington, Bennington Triangle, though, it helps to kind of understand the Glastonbury area.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So once it was a logging and industrial community, but eventually Glastonbury declined as the area's timber resources were exhausted.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: By the 20th century, the settlement had largely faded away, leaving behind a landscape that became increasingly isolated, eventually becoming a ghost town along with nearby Somerset.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: The modern triangle is not an official geographic designation, like there are no boundaries or anything.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and the cases associated with it did not all occur in exactly the same location.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: The triangle is in many respects a story constructed around real events.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: So no specific, you know, I guess the Bermuda Triangle has a definite, like, oh, from here to here to here to here.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: That that's not.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just like, you know, it's a guideline.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: So the first of those uh disappearances happened in 1945 with 74-year-old Midy Rivers.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Midy.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Midy.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: On November 12th.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: For a 74-year-old man.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: MIDI.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: On November 12th, 1945, Rivers, uh, an experienced outdoorsman, was hunting in the Bickford Hollow area with a group.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: So he wasn't alone.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was with other people.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: But at some point he moved ahead of the others and just never returned.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of weird.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Especially being an experienced guide in that area.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's very weird.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Searchers combed the surrounding wilderness, but the only physical evidence that was associated with rivers that they ever found was a handkerchief and a rifle cartridge.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: But nobody heard any firing of A gun.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Mitty Rivers himself was never found.
• 22:05
  unknown: Wow.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: The disappearance was disturbing because he was not an inexperienced visitor wandering into unfamiliar wilderness.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: He knew the area very well.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: But the Green Mountains contained steep slopes, dense forest, streams, ravines, and difficult terrain.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: And in November, temperatures can fall pretty rapidly, and daylight is limited, and weather can change pretty quickly.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Now, it didn't say if any of those things occurred when he went missing.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, did it get dark?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, you know, storm come.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it didn't really say anything about that.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: But any accident, fall, or exposure could have left a body hidden beneath vegetation or in terrain that searchers simply could not reach.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, anything could have happened to him and and no one would know.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's still weird that he was very experienced and just disappeared.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: But what's really also kind of adds to that is the cartridge.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: The shotgun cartridge.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: And no one heard a uh shotgun.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Any type of, you know, gunshot.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't it didn't say how far away he wandered from the rest of his group either.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so I don't know.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: At the time, there was no reason to believe that Rivers' disappearance was anything more than a terrible accident.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the he isn't the first person to have ever gone missing in the mountains and and not have been able to be recovered.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: But that changed one year later with the disappearance of 18-year-old Bennington College student, Paula Jean Weldon.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Paula.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Paula Jean.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: On December 1st, 1946, she decided to hike along the long trail.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it's called.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh witnesses saw her walking towards the trail area, and she reportedly asked other hikers questions about the route before continuing on her own.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: She was never seen again.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now that's good.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Always fascinates me.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Just will disappear in thin air, it's like it seems like.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I like hiking.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the weather, the weather in her clothing quickly became central to the investigation.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Weldon had gone into the mountains during early December when conditions could be extremely dangerous.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: We just talked about that, you know?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Go hiking in the winter.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even, I didn't say, I would assume they're from the area, though.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: So she should know.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: So searchers poured into the area, and the investigation became one of the largest and most controversial missing person searches Vermont had seen.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Controversial.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, that could just be a a dad just trying to get answers and wanting answers.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Probably, yeah.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that whole like his criticism um actually was for good.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Vermont did not have a statewide police agency yet at that time in 1946.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the investigation exposed weaknesses in communication, coordination, and law enforcement resources.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Within seven months of her disappearance, Vermont created the Vermont State Police.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: All because of her disappearance.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that historical connection is one of the least speculative and most significant facts surrounding the Bennington Triangle.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty interesting.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh unfortunately, Paula Jean Weldon was never found, and her disp disappearance remains an unsolved missing person case even today.
• 26:36
  unknown: Wow.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: So almost immediately people began wondering whether her disappearance was somehow connected to Rivers.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, especially when three years to the day after she disappeared, another person vanished.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: To the day.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: To the day.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: James Tedford was a 68-year-old World War I veteran living at the Vermont Soldiers Home in Bennington that had been visiting relatives in St.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Albans on December 1st, 1949.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: He boarded a bus, headed back toward Bennington.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: It said he was seen aboard the bus during the journey, and then somehow he was gone.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: I have so many questions.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, did he did the bus stop?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he the bus did make did make stops along the way.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody noticed at the time who got on, who got off.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like that wasn't something people paid attention to.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody just was worried about themselves.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so could have gotten off, or but all of his belongings were left behind on the bus.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: The story became one of the strangest of the Bennington legend, with later retellings portraying Telford as having mysteriously disappeared from a moving bus.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like the when it's retold, people are like, it just went from point A to point B, and sometime in between he Do you see me?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that version is one of the reasons the case became so attractive to paranormal stare storytellers.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: The indisputable fact, though, is that James Tedford disappeared and was never found.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: It could be it a number of things.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: But if he had gotten off at one of the stops, it would have been at some sort of bus station.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody would have seen him.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: He would have wandered from there.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like he would have been in a populated area.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like they just pulled over on the side of the road in BFE and he got off the bus.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: There would be some.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: You would more likely find his body versus not.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: So ten months after James Tedford's disappearance on October 12th, 1950, Paul Buddy Jepson was with his mother while she was working near the Bennington town dump.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: He was eight years old.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Buddy.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: At some point, she left the boy in or around the family vehicle, and when she returned, Buddy was gone.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Searchers were called in, bloodhounds were reportedly used to follow his scent, but the trail ultimately disappeared and he was never found.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: So less than three weeks later, there was another disappearance.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: On October 28th, 1950, 53-year-old Frida Langer went hiking with relatives while on a camping trip near Somerset Reservoir.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: At one point, she separated from the group to return to camp to change out of wet clothing, but she disappeared.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: She never made it to camp.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: She never made it back to camp.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Searches again flooded the area, but there was no sign of her.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Dang.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, and I from what I understand, it wasn't like they were that far away from camp or that they had done a difficult trail that to where she would have gotten turned around.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Months passed, and then in May 1951, Frida's body was discovered.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: She was the only one of the five people associated with the Bennington Triangle whose remains were recovered.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Her body was reportedly found in an area that had already been searched.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: The condition of the remains prevented investigators from establishing a definitive cause of death.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: So the questions remained: how did she get there and what happened to her?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Especially if the area had already been searched.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it was so she disappeared in October, at the end of October, and was found in May.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: At the time of her disappearance, it was fall.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like there shouldn't have been as much foliage.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then in May, there would be more because it's spring.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been, you would think it would have been harder to find her body in May than in October, right?
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And could they tell how long she's been dead?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like I they said that her remains were already so bad.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: How long does it be?
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: And this you gotta remember, this is 1950.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say how long the body to completely decompose.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: In the open.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Probably froze.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good question.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: By the end of 1950, the pattern was impossible for local residents to ignore.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Five people had disappeared within roughly five years.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: All of the circumstances were dramatically different.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Their ages ranged from eight to 74.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Some disappeared in the wilderness.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: One disappeared while traveling, one was a child, one was eventually found dead.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: There was no confirmed connection between any of them.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: So what could have happened?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: And there are several theories.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Theory number one.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Number one.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: The most straightforward explanation is also the least sensational, of course.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: But it's probably plausible.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: But the wilderness is a dangerous place.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Glastonbury Mountain is rugged country.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: A person can become disoriented, injured, or exposed to severe weather extremely fast.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Falls can occur only feet from a trail, and a person suffering an injury may be unable to move.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Bodies can become concealed by vegetation, terrain, snow, or even water.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And oftentimes in a wilderness search, searched does not necessarily mean every square foot examined.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Frida Langer's eventual discovery demonstrates precisely how difficult wilderness searches can be.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: So least sensational, also the most plausible.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: So theory number two is foul play.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Some people believe there's the possibility that at least some of the disappearances were caused by one or more human beings.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: I say human beings because of other theories.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: But this is a difficult theory to prove because the cases lack the evidence normally needed to establish a connection.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: No killer was identified.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: No body was recovered in four of the five traditional cases.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: No murder weapon was discovered.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: No definitive forensic evidence linked the disappearances.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: And the victims did not share an obvious profile.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, they were all very different from each other.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Still, the possibility of flout foul play cannot simply be erased.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: A person can disappear in the wilderness because another person makes them disappear.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: But there is no established evidence demonstrating that a serial killer was responsible for the five cases.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it is, you know, maybe, maybe not.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody knows.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: So theory number three.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: This is an odd one.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: And this is why I said human beings.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Legends of strange beings in the Glastonbury region became part of the area's folklore.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes called the Bennington Monster.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: The Bennington Monster.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Descriptions vary, with some accounts describing a large animal, while others describe something more human-like.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Over time, the creature became associated with the disappearances.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and the idea is irresistible from a storytelling perspective.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: A monster inhabits the forest, people enter the forest, some never return.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Great for a story.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: But there's never been any reliable evidence about the existence of such a creature or that is that it was responsible for any of the disappearances, of course.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Bennington monster is just regional folklore, although some claim otherwise.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Of course they do.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um theory number four is also on the odd side.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Some stories have circulated claiming Native Americans regarded Glastonbury Mountain as cursed or dangerous.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Some versions describe the mountains as a place where the four winds met.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Other stories tell of supernatural forces or spirits inhabiting the region.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: Still others describe an enchanted or man-eating stone capable of swallowing people.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: A stone.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like it could have been a cave opening that you know, something like that.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, these stories have become deeply embedded in popular accounts of the Bennington Triangle.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: But historians have warned that some of these claims are poorly documented and may have been amplified or reshaped by later writers.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Native American history should not be treated as a convenient source of spooky mythology without evidence from reliable historical or indigenous sources.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: So while the legend may be fascinating, it's not proof of a curse.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's never proof of a curse.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: So And of course, if you slap on a, you know, Indian, ancient Indian burial ground.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: People are gonna be like, oh, that's definitely what it was.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: So theory number five.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Number five.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Once the Bennington Triangle became part of paranormal cultural culture, even stranger theories emerged.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I totally see that.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: Some suggested UFO activity.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh others proposed that people had accidentally crossed into another dimension.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: We've actually read about this in other parts of the country.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't didn't I talk about a haunted forest?
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's also clean.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: And there's also these reports of like children, like two and three-year-old children who wander away from home and are found miles, miles away from home the next day.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: How did a small child like that travel that far?
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they're okay.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just kept walking.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: I just, it's just crazy.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I can remember going to the parks, like theme parks with my kids when they were little.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now, how far is like 20,000 steps?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, would you say roughly?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's gotta be at least six to eight miles.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on, let's do that.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like twenty thousand steps.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because okay, back then, like in the nineties and early two thousands, we didn't have anything that counted our steps.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: 20,000 steps is how many miles?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Walking 20,000 steps is roughly between 8.5 and 10 miles.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: 8.5 and 10 miles.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Depending on the stride.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: So now that I'm an adult or like my kids are adults, we've gone to the parks and my watch tells me we've done probably about 20,000 steps.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes less, depending on what we're doing, you know, but never usually more.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I know we didn't do that much when my kids were little.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: We would do probably a third of that going to Disney World.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: When, and I'm talking when they were small, like five and under.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um they would complain, they wanted to ride in the stroller, they would lay down on the ground.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do anything.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they would throw these massive fits.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: So a toddler escaping from home into the forest, walking miles and miles and miles alone in the dark.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I just don't, I don't buy it.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I've never had kids, so I'm gonna go with you.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: I know if it was me, I would have, I would, I don't know.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'd be walking in circles.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be sitting down already.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be like, fuck this shit.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna wait away right here.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the first mile I've been like, I'm just gonna wait because somebody come save me.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't do this.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Can't do it.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's too far.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's too far.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Totally would be.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: But so a toddler, you know, I don't, I don't know.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you're saying you're a toddler.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a toddler.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I like snacks and taking naps, and I don't like to walk far.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: You're a toddler soon.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: I am, but uh like, wait a minute, I like those things too.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: But a few versions of the story invoke time distortions or portals.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Literally what we're just talking about, essentially arguing that the missing people did not die, but were somehow transported somewhere else.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, these are all part of the modern mythology surrounding the triangle, but they persist because the disappearances contain precisely the kind of gaps that paranormal theories thrive on.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: When there is no body, there is no final explanation.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: And when there is no final explanation, almost any explanation can be imagined.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: So the final theory.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: Dun dun dun.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I feel like this ranks right up there with the first one in plausibility.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, let's hear it.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: There is no single mystery.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: There are five separate people with their own circumstances and investigations that unfortunately happened in a very short time span in a very limited area.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: There were substantial differences varying from location to age to gender.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: The only commonality was geography.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, something separate happened to every single one of these people, and none of it is connected at all.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: I actually feel like that is probably what happened.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: The real answer.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if the people in the woods probably fell and were injured, and they just didn't get out looking for them in time or were hurt so severely that they weren't able to make enough noise to be found.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like the little boy probably is the one that was probably taken.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a good thing.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he just or he wandered off and was taken.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I feel like that was a kidnapping.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: And the young woman, the hiker that was murdered.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, she wasn't.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: She was the one that wasn't found.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: The late the 53-year-old that was found down dead.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Either she was injured so severely she wasn't able to call out for help, or she may have been murdered and then her body was discovered later on.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I feel like they were all just very separate circumstances that just happened kind of close together and made people suspicious.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Probably for an area that didn't really deal with a lot of things like that.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: Or didn't have a lot of going on.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean sensationalized.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: I th I read somewhere that ver the population in Vermont is the the entire state is the equivalent of one small town in the south.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not very big.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: So and we're talking in the 40s and 50s, it was probably even smaller.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: So anything out of the ordinary that happened was probably, you know, pretty big news back then.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyhow, 80 years later, the Bennington Triangle occupies a strange place between history and folklore.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: The disappearances are real, the searches are real, um, the newspaper reports are real, the Vermont State Police connection is real, and uh Frida Langer's body was really found.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: But the triangle itself is a later interpretation.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: The disappearances themselves happened in the 40s and 50s.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the name Bennington Triangle came much, much later.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Vermont author and folklorist Joseph A.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Citro used the term in the early 1990s.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, 30-ish years to describe the area and connect the disappearances with the region's broader folklore.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, like 40 years after it all happened, he's like, oh, Bennington Triangle.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: I coined it, is mine now.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, there was no official Bennington Triangle investigation in 1946.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Police were not investigating a supernatural geographic anomaly.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: The triangle was creative retrospectively.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Once the name existed, however, the cases began to look less like separate tragedies and more like pieces of a single puzzle.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that is where the legends begin to take over.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: The Bennington Triangle is not frightening because we know something supernatural happened there.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's frightening because we don't know exactly what happened.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Four people were never found, and people have always been uncomfortable with stories that do not have an ending.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's true, though.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's always creepier when like they vanish without a trace.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Cause you can you can speculate any which way.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like I gave you six different theories that this could have gone, and that's what tends to make that's what tends to create our folklore.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think the most for me, I think the sixth one was like everybody had their own individual happenings, and it everything happened in such a close time frame that it was really like, oh, something's gotta be wrong.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Something's gotta be wrong.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think when you break it down to each individual person, that yeah, that makes the most to me that makes the most sense.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or there's someone that lives in the room in the woods secretly that uh snatched people.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh like in the movies.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen so many movies about people that do that, disappear in the in the woods.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then like they they have like a cave set up and a house or something way deep in the forest.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I know if if that was the one of the theories, it would kind of make sense for the woman who was abducted, never found, and then months, months later, her body was found in the area that was already searched.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that could make sense.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, he took her back to, or she could be a psycho woman, I mean, you never know.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like took her into the woods to the place and kind of like tortured her and did whatever he wanted to or like whatever crazy people do.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then, like, eh, I'm gonna go dump you back in this area.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but you never know.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: But if it were the case of like a wilderness psycho.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wilderness psycho.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: Why weren't there more cases?
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're a traveling psycho.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: They moved on to a new state.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're moved on to a divorce.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they're in Canada.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Northern, like it's so close to Canada.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they went to New York.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Northern New York is all wilderness.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then you've got New Hampshire, then you've got Maine.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you could be right.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Traveling psychos.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: A traveling psycho.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're a psycho.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: But that was a good story, though.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was really interesting.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is interesting.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, different, different for sure.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, anyhow.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh good job.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: I liked it a lot.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, all right.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time.
• 49:58
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• 49:59
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• 50:16
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