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Patriots Unfiltered 10/10: State of the Patriots, Biggest Takeaways from Sunday's Loss, Potential Trades · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: I don't think he did anything quote unquote you know,
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  Speaker 1: With Miami, I.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have heard of it.
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  Speaker 1: thirty seven, twenty six and one.
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  Speaker 2: All right, it is Tuesday here at Jilett Stadium, and
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  Speaker 2: it's Deuce, it's Tamara, Paul, myself, Matt and Na Booth.
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  Speaker 2: A little different Tuesday than normal here at Jilette Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: Normally Tuesday of the Patriots day off, but football decided
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  Speaker 2: to change things up a little bit this week. They
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  Speaker 2: gave them Monday off and Tuesday they're back at it
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  Speaker 2: like it's a normal Monday ish.
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  Speaker 4: But they don't usually practice. Someone to either. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a walk through.
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  Speaker 2: It's a walk through, so I don't know what today is.
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  Speaker 4: But there's installing a new offense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there'll be media availability yet later in the block
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  Speaker 2: around say just odd, Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: It's just do you think this is part of the
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  Speaker 9: star start all over that Bill Belichick mentioned.
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  Speaker 2: In his Yeah my my first thing? And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know this again? Please people. I'm just speculating. Please that
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  Speaker 2: after the game he felt that I need Monday to
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  Speaker 2: sit with my coaches. Yeah, I give give give us
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  Speaker 2: a day and then you guys come back.
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  Speaker 4: I think that that's what I thought too. I also
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  Speaker 4: just wondered if there's a small factor playing into it
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  Speaker 4: of the Raiders playing last night, and maybe I don't
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  Speaker 4: know that that's probably not the case, but I just
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  Speaker 4: wonder you any.
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  Speaker 2: Any that's that you know, like we need to Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you got.
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  Speaker 4: To get this game. We're not really ready for the
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  Speaker 4: game plan. I don't know, maybe to see what makes
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  Speaker 4: more sense to me that they needed a day to
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  Speaker 4: like regroup. Really, I think all.
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  Speaker 1: Of the above if they've never done that before.
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  Speaker 4: No, even when there's a Monday that game that they're.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the reset there.
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  Speaker 2: And plus they're leaving on Friday for Vegas, so that
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  Speaker 2: might have something to do with it. I don't know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think everything's upside down right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more about what the state of the
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  Speaker 1: team is right now and what Bill said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we need to start over all of us. We need
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  Speaker 1: to figure it out. And I do think what what
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  Speaker 1: Freddy sort of speculated like I need some time with
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  Speaker 1: my coaches. I think that's what it was. And I
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  Speaker 1: and I think there was some serious you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think it might have been one of those deals where
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  Speaker 1: Bill said, Okay, I got I got everybody here. We're
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  Speaker 1: open to all suggestions. There's no such thing as a
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  Speaker 1: bad suggestion. Let's hear it. What do you guys that
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  Speaker 1: how do we how do we do this? What's steps?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that they probably took all of the
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  Speaker 1: information that everybody provided and they decided what direction that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to go to.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien talked today about an hour ago and they
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  Speaker 1: were asked if he expected Mac Jones to remain at quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: and he said he did, I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: I do expect him to remain at quarterback. So, taking
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  Speaker 1: that at face value, that maybe that's not one of
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  Speaker 1: the changes they're going to make. But I do think
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  Speaker 1: they thought long and hard about it. If they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to do it, I think it was close.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I like that. I mean, I think in
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  Speaker 4: some ways people talking about that Mac might need a
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  Speaker 4: reset day or just get him out. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: think that there is some benefit to that. Sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in other sports at least. But Bill O'Brien wasn't having that.
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  Speaker 4: He just said that, you know, you get your reset
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  Speaker 4: time on your day off. So dahn Erck comes Evan
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  Speaker 4: back from this practice, so we'll see who was out there.
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  Speaker 9: I also, I don't know if if starting Bailey's Appy
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  Speaker 9: on Sunday would help Mac at all. Like I think,
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  Speaker 9: you know, for some people, they respond well to adversity
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  Speaker 9: and they see like, I'm going to work even harder
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  Speaker 9: to get my job back. For him, I don't know if,
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  Speaker 9: especially with what happened last year, if that would help him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I just got it's a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the point of of you know, getting up in
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  Speaker 4: the stands and watching just a big picture perspective, not
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  Speaker 4: having the pressure on you, and you know, maybe just
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  Speaker 4: realizing like, oh I do have a little more time
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  Speaker 4: than I'm realizing. You know, I get that. But it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't sound like they're really interesting Evan Evans.
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  Speaker 10: Evan has we turned? Evan has returned?
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  Speaker 9: Has we turned from practice?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Evan, this is a kind of an odd
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  Speaker 2: time for you to be back from practice, But nevertheless.
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  Speaker 11: A rare Tuesday practice for the Patriots. I think it's
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  Speaker 11: warranted given the last two weeks of what we've seen.
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  Speaker 11: But some good news to start Number eleven, Taekwon Thornton
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  Speaker 11: back at Patriots practice on Tuesday. It's gonna be a
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  Speaker 11: light day walk more like a walkthrough type practice. So
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  Speaker 11: I think some of the guys that were injured or
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  Speaker 11: on Sunday were not at this game or not at
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  Speaker 11: this practice, I should say, And I wouldn't look too
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  Speaker 11: much into that quite yet. Let's see what it looks
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  Speaker 11: like tomorrow if they're back in pads and are really
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  Speaker 11: practicing to start the week. But Taekwon Thornton back at practice,
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  Speaker 11: and then not spotted Mike Win with that ankle injury.
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  Speaker 11: H the two guys that are in concussion protocol Juju
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  Speaker 11: and to Mario Douglas, and then obviously Matthew Judon who
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  Speaker 11: remains on the active roster for some reason. So those
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  Speaker 11: are the four guys that weren't there. But a little
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  Speaker 11: bit of good news. I guess that Taekwan's back out there.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, we'll see tomorrow because walk throughs a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times guys that aren't gonna play or just
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  Speaker 2: stand are at walkthroughs, but they.
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  Speaker 4: Wouldn't have him out there if they because now this
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  Speaker 4: starts the clock even though it was a yes, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Believe that's not it, but it may have changed it.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a walkthrough, it might be like Evan's talking about,
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  Speaker 1: where it hasn't. But I would expect the clock to
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  Speaker 1: start this week. I mean I yeah, it certainly seemed
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  Speaker 1: like by all accounts, people expected it last week. So
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I wouldn't be surprised if what's the
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  Speaker 1: last person.
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  Speaker 2: Who sat in this chair Fortney Cox? Just like pills?
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice, like or something? They look like what like.
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  Speaker 1: How you threw that out there on the air? That
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  Speaker 1: was that was you know, just.
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  Speaker 4: That was takes a variety of anxiety pills just a quote.
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  Speaker 1: Really Oh so she talks about it on the air.
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  Speaker 1: So you didn't just order as a pill popper, right,
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  Speaker 1: I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Those are pretty big ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're big.
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  Speaker 4: They're big pills.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, horse pills.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has gone. This is gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's here's like the size of it. Half
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  Speaker 2: of it? This only half.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's Jardians if you take once daily jar.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they might be like, but that's a different one.
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  Speaker 2: There's like a prescription thing on it, So I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Man, take a picture of it, Blaskar, Yeah, Tager on
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  Speaker 4: social media.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get it rid of that. Somebody will zoom
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  Speaker 2: in and say, oh my god, they're on drugs.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not ready yet. When he's ready.
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  Speaker 2: I do have one message to remember for Patriots fans
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  Speaker 2: who say they're embarrassed by what's going.
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  Speaker 4: You're you gonna take it to camera three over here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, better to have been a dynasty and fallen than
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  Speaker 2: never to have been a dynasty at all. That's all
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  Speaker 2: I can say.
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  Speaker 1: Can really argue with that?
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  Speaker 4: That was poetics?
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  Speaker 1: I can't really, I mean, how can you have an
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  Speaker 1: argument with that?
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  Speaker 2: Right? So just remember you see, you've seen, right, you've
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  Speaker 2: seen some pretty good times right now, maybe this is
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  Speaker 2: you know, uh, the exact opposite, but it'll get better.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, Sparta, well this is I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting, it's new, it's I don't want to say
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  Speaker 4: a struggle, but you know, it's it's a whole new perspective.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like, you know, for our jobs, if
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  Speaker 4: you can do it now, you can do it anytime,
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  Speaker 4: Like you know, when everything's kind of up against you
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  Speaker 4: at this point in the season, and hopefully things will
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  Speaker 4: turn around. There'll be some positives too, you know, but
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  Speaker 4: you also just want to like produce content that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: sound like you're like, hey, isn't anything great still? You know,
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  Speaker 4: like you got to read the room.
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  Speaker 2: As always, we need to be honest, balanced and fair.
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  Speaker 1: This I led my notes this week. It just posted
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  Speaker 1: this morning with the notion of trying to find a
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  Speaker 1: way to start over, like like build does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like Bill said, what what does that really entail? And
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  Speaker 1: I'll be the first to tell you, as I said Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any idea, but I just threw a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things out there. The fans not taking it well.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to go away with that nonsense.
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  Speaker 9: I would love to tap into like maybe like a
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  Speaker 9: Golden State Warrior fan or a Laker fan. But I
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  Speaker 9: feel like, is it different in the NBA when you
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  Speaker 9: kind of they're more like individual player fans too?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, like it's like around here the Celtics of
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  Speaker 1: the Dynasty. Just so you know, we didn't we didn't
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  Speaker 1: win half of our titles when we were playing for
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  Speaker 1: somebody else like the Lakers. Did, Yeah, let's not go there.
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  Speaker 4: I just think the thing Celtics have. The thing that's
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  Speaker 4: hard about it is just that there's so many things
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  Speaker 4: to point the finger at that you just kind of
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  Speaker 4: get in conversations or arguments with Well, I'm pointing the
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  Speaker 4: finger at Mac. Well, I'm pointing the finger up Bill. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm pointing the figure at the offensive line. Well, I'm
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  Speaker 4: pointing the.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: I know, and they are all right, But it's like
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  Speaker 4: you never really get anywhere because you just kind of
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  Speaker 4: go around in circles and say, yeah, it's all been
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  Speaker 4: basically terrible right now, and there's not really one thing
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  Speaker 4: or even really one player at this particular moment to trumpet.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, thirteen games left.
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  Speaker 9: So I like how you brought that up, because you know,
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  Speaker 9: when I think of starting over, I think you have
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  Speaker 9: to do that. When you have all three phases playing horribly,
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  Speaker 9: it's like special teams. It's like you can't even like
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  Speaker 9: say that they played well. You have high snaps, low snaps,
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  Speaker 9: bad punts, miss field goals, Like there's nothing complimentary about
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  Speaker 9: this team right now.
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  Speaker 4: That's like who can bring a spark? You know, Like
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  Speaker 4: that's what I'm kind of just waiting for right now
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  Speaker 4: is like, could somebody step up and bring a spark?
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm you know, I'm not expecting anyone to really
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  Speaker 4: do it, but there's a void right now, you know
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  Speaker 4: with judea on out and Gonzalez we saw last week,
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  Speaker 4: I mean they had you know, two sacks. One was
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  Speaker 4: basically a blown block. The other was you know, they
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  Speaker 4: blitzed Myles Brian off the edge and he eventually got
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  Speaker 4: to him. So, you know, no pressure, it's just who's
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  Speaker 4: going to step up and make a statement? You know,
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  Speaker 4: some kind of game is it? Romandra Stevenson. Paul was
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  Speaker 4: talking a little bit about him before the show. Does
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  Speaker 4: he all of a sudden, you know, get going and
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  Speaker 4: you know, come on, let's climb on my back. Like
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  Speaker 4: I just I feel like they need that, they need
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  Speaker 4: a performance from a player right now that says I'm
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to win this game and you guys come
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  Speaker 4: with me, and then people start to follow them, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like I that's what I think it has to be.
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  Speaker 1: That's just makes it really hard, like when you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to identify what Bill might be talking about, because I,
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  Speaker 1: like I try to take Bill a little bit at
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  Speaker 1: face value and just say, okay, so we're gonna start over.
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  Speaker 1: Normally that would entail you come and do some of
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  Speaker 1: yourself scouting, and you sit there and you say, Evan, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what are we doing well? What are some of the
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  Speaker 1: things that we're doing well that we can accentuate more?
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know that there are really a lot
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  Speaker 1: of examples of things they're doing well. They're certainly not
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  Speaker 1: running it well, whether it be stretch plays, trying to
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  Speaker 1: get to the edge up the middle, you know, or
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  Speaker 1: like like I thought the beginning of the game the
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  Speaker 1: other day, and we talked about this in postgame. First play,
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  Speaker 1: you get eight yards up the middle. I love the
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  Speaker 1: idea of taking a shot on second and two, Fred,
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  Speaker 1: you and I have been complaining about the quarterback sneaks
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  Speaker 1: to just get the first down. You know, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: it didn't work. You know, Mac overthrew. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was born on the second down play and you didn't
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  Speaker 1: get anything out of it. Line up and run the
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  Speaker 1: ball and get the first down on third down. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: you take another shot. This one doesn't work to Hunter Henry,
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  Speaker 1: so not only you going three and out, your quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: now one and two over two, he's not feeling good
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  Speaker 1: about himself at the start of a game, coming off
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  Speaker 1: of the worst performance of his career, So like, what
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  Speaker 1: exactly are they doing well that you can point to?
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  Speaker 1: And that's what makes it really hard to start over.
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  Speaker 4: Especially in the situation where three and out, it's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know that you're on shaky ground already right now
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  Speaker 4: with the offense, Like what you needed more than anything
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  Speaker 4: last week was a good first drive or at the
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  Speaker 4: very least not a three and out, and you know
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  Speaker 4: that's what they got. I like the point, I.
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  Speaker 11: Have a tough I'm now I have a I don't know,
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  Speaker 11: I have a tough time of putting what I feel
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  Speaker 11: into words at the moment in a respectful way about
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  Speaker 11: the offense. This is their film from this game is
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  Speaker 11: an abject disaster. I mean, you have eleven guys that
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  Speaker 11: I could probably point to ten out of eleven not
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  Speaker 11: doing their jobs correct a given play.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're all it really takes as a couple,
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  Speaker 1: and we're well, they tell you that ten guys could
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  Speaker 1: do the right thing in one way, right, That's what
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 11: Yea, we're talking about, from top to bottom, a complete
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  Speaker 11: just failure of execution, whether it's blocking execution from the
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  Speaker 11: offensive line, quarterbacking which we can get to, UH receiver
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  Speaker 11: play which we can get to.
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  Speaker 3: It's all of it. It's all of it.
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  Speaker 11: And I don't where do you start to start over.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think I have a much more like
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  Speaker 11: knee jerk start over than what they're gonna do. But
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  Speaker 11: they in terms of starting over, I think the only
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  Speaker 11: thing that you can do, in my mind is go
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  Speaker 11: back to that Eagles game in Week one offensively, where
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  Speaker 11: you did throw for three hundred yards, you did throw
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  Speaker 11: for three touchdowns. And if I'm Bill Belichick and Bill O'Brien,
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  Speaker 11: I'm making a highlight reel of plays from filling.
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  Speaker 1: The two drives in the second quarter. Yeah, but let's
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  Speaker 1: let's get those plays and figure out what worked, how
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  Speaker 1: they worked, and how we can do that.
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  Speaker 2: I have something to say about that, Oh okay, because obviously, no,
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  Speaker 2: obviously the offense has gone the wrong direction. Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Why did they start out better than they are now
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  Speaker 2: when we all thought they'd get better as we went along.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it comes down to the fact, I
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  Speaker 2: hate to say it, that they don't have the skilled
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  Speaker 2: players to challenge defenses. And as they put more and
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  Speaker 2: more on tape, other teams say, we don't need to
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  Speaker 2: worry about that guy, that guy, that guy, that guy
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  Speaker 2: their offensive line, and it's getting easier for teams to
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  Speaker 2: defend us. That's why we're looking worse as time goes by,
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  Speaker 2: because teams know how to defend us. It's a broken record,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: and it's been three years in the running. But that's
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: the case. I think. You know, at the beginning season, okay,
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien's, are what are the Patriots offense going to
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: look like? Teams really didn't know. You know, they didn't
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: show anything in the preseason. But as we get more
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: on tape, teams like, oh okay, it's the same old same,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just you know, pack the bucks. We don't
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: have to worry about downfield because we can go man
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: on man. There's nobody here that's a that's a man
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: on man beater, one on one beater, and and if
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: they have a play here and there, okay, but you know,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: in the long term, they're not gonna beat us. You know,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: disagree if you want, but this is what I'm saying.
• 15:23
  Speaker 11: From the I think in the first let's call it
• 15:26
  Speaker 11: two and a half games because the second half against
• 15:28
  Speaker 11: the Jets was also bad. Bill O'Brien and Mac did
• 15:33
  Speaker 11: their best to keep it together. That's my opinion. And
• 15:36
  Speaker 11: I understand that Mac wasn't perfect and he wasn't playing
• 15:39
  Speaker 11: like a top five quarterback. I'm not saying that, but
• 15:41
  Speaker 11: if you just look statistically, in the first three games
• 15:45
  Speaker 11: of the season, Mac is seventeenth in PFF grade, His
• 15:48
  Speaker 11: turnover worthy play rate is three percent, like very normal.
• 15:53
  Speaker 11: Now he's PFF's worst graded passer thirty grade. So he
• 15:58
  Speaker 11: went from seventy to thirty. We went from a three
• 16:01
  Speaker 11: percent turnover worthy play rate to a fourteen percent overworthy
• 16:05
  Speaker 11: play rate. So he held it together for two and
• 16:09
  Speaker 11: a half games, and I think with O'Brien's help, obviously,
• 16:13
  Speaker 11: And I think what's so telling about it all is
• 16:16
  Speaker 11: that it all came apart in five weeks. It took
• 16:18
  Speaker 11: five weeks for it all to just completely crumble. And
• 16:24
  Speaker 11: looking back at those first couple of games, again, I
• 16:26
  Speaker 11: don't think Mac was perfect. I don't think he was
• 16:29
  Speaker 11: playing like Patrick Mahomes or anything like that, but I
• 16:31
  Speaker 11: think he was. He was playing good ball, like decent football,
• 16:35
  Speaker 11: and now he's playing disastrous football. And with the quarterback
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: coming apart, now the whole thing is completely unraveling. I
• 16:46
  Speaker 11: have a tough time like with it from just like
• 16:49
  Speaker 11: from the top down. No, like blaming it on a
• 16:52
  Speaker 11: player level. To me is like when a company fails
• 16:56
  Speaker 11: and he blamed mid level management right where you're pointing
• 16:59
  Speaker 11: at like you know, the Mike Douseau's of the world,
• 17:02
  Speaker 11: Thank you, supervisor Mike, and saying like it's his fault
• 17:05
  Speaker 11: that that we're going bankrupt. Right, it's not his fault.
• 17:10
  Speaker 11: It's not Mike's fault. It's the CEO's fault.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when when there's when there's such a failure, I
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: hate to use that word, but you have to across
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the board. You gotta look above. Yeah, you gotta look above.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I mean it's right, something's not getting through to everybody.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: It's not just one or two guys. Everybody doesn't seem
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: to be on the same page and you know, doing
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: what they need to do. And that's now you've got
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to look above.
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: Do you think it's gonna be even harder to get
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: a team a locker room to buy in at this point?
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: Like to know that, Like it's like hard to hear.
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: We just have to try harder. We have to practice harder.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: We have to.
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: It's hard to keep hearing that because after a while
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: it's like, yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: No, you need to you need to come to Jesus meeting,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's got to be Bill, And it's
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: like everybody in the room not you know, defense over here.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Everybody say, guys, who wants to be here? Like who cares?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I need people who care? You know, we're in this together.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: We suck right now, but we can be better. But
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: we all have to want to do it and be
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: on the same page and trust each other and be
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: accountable for yourself. And you got to have that type
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: of meeting and then you come out of that with
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: just a single purpose because right now it's all over
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the place. It's all over the place.
• 18:33
  Speaker 11: I don't know how, and they're gonna roll Mac back
• 18:35
  Speaker 11: out there on Sunday. It sounds like that's what Bill
• 18:38
  Speaker 11: O'Brien told us this morning. I don't know how I
• 18:41
  Speaker 11: mean in terms of like the confidence of the entire team,
• 18:45
  Speaker 11: like not just the offense, but the confidence of the
• 18:48
  Speaker 11: entire team. It is very apparent to me that nobody
• 18:52
  Speaker 11: in that locker room is believing in.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: The quarterback right now.
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: And that starts with right after the game, David andrew Well,
• 19:00
  Speaker 11: what went wrong turning the ball over? Who's turning the
• 19:02
  Speaker 11: ball over? David Andrews isn't turning the ball over. And
• 19:05
  Speaker 11: you can't blame it on Pop Douglas or Zeke Elliott
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: fumbling anymore. Like there's one guy that's turning the ball over.
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: So when David Andrews comes up to the podium and
• 19:14
  Speaker 11: Hunter Henry comes up to the podium and says, what's
• 19:16
  Speaker 11: killing us turnovers? Who's turning the ball over? And then
• 19:19
  Speaker 11: you look at the pick six and I know it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: gone around Twitter like a little bit. The body language
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: of the entire offense on the pick six is like
• 19:29
  Speaker 11: are you kidding me? Like we just talked about this
• 19:33
  Speaker 11: for two straight weeks, that we can't turn the ball over,
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: We can't turn it over, we can't turn it over.
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: And the second drive of the game it's a pick
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: six and Hunter Henry is standing there palms up like
• 19:46
  Speaker 11: I'm I'm open, like throw me the damn ball and
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: Tyron Matthews running the other way, and that is.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: That that's just.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa? What was that?
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Blew my ear? Drums out, and I would say to
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: the impact on the defense, who comes out forces two punts,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: you know, and then they look up at the scoreboard
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: and they're down seven to nothing. And you know, I
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: watched mostly just the defense back but and then they're
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: they're fine, like nobody's making plays though, you know, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: it's just they can, you know.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm a little critical of the defense, and I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: admit that I don't think they have Fred's old thing.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: They have no hope, you know, they have to get
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: belief from what's going on in the other areas of
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the game. And I don't think the defense was great
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to start the game. But they found a way to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: force two punts. Now they got a lot of help,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: but they found a way to force two punts on
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the first two drives, and then they get a pick six.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: So now they come back on the field. The next
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: time they come back on the field, they had trailing
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: seven nothing. They haven't allowed a scoring drive, and what happened, touchdown,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: touch big plays the next two times they are on
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the field. Because and I'm not putting this on the defense,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's hard to play that way when you're
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: not getting anything from there you have any belief that
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the other side is going to do something.
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: And I want to go to what Evan said to
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: just about how like how the offense was looking with
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: Hunter Henry with his palms up when Mac Johns went
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: to the sideline, nobody on the offense went over to
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: cheer him up. It was Dietrich Wise who went over
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: and had a few words with him, and it's just
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: it's sad to see like no one came over to him.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: See, that's that's.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Want I want trick Wise in my fox hole.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: No me too, you know me, but you guys know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: like I always find it more fascinating this kind of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. I'm more into the soap opera. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: sometimes in the off season people get on me for
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that because you know, let's let's we don't know what
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they know football wise, you know, no offense. So so
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it's to me, it's it's more interesting and more uh
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: just some more important to sort of like how they
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: all put together the people. It's like when we when
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: we talk about the picks and in games and I
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: talk about the spot, it's not about like the x's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and os, It's about that team had to go across
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the country and they do this, and they did that,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and those are the kinds of like the external factors,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and I think right now there's a lot of that
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: going on in the locker room. And you know, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: listened to Burt Brier, and I don't think Burt Brier
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: is the end all be all either. Okay, I like Burt,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: but he works harder space it not everything he reports
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is accurate. He writes a lot of this kind of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: stuff that I'm interested. And he talked about the defense
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: has been on Mac Jones in practice for consistently making
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: these kinds of reckless plays. Interesting. This was last week
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: heading into this game, you know, saying like, you can't
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: make that play, that's the kind of play. It's going
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to be an interception in the game. And then he
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: comes out and you know, instead of taking the sack
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: on the third and six on the second drive, he
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: tries to just get rid of it and throws it
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: recklessly into trouble and it ends up in the worst
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: possible So I don't result, and I think the defense
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: is like, what are we doing? So I'm not giving
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: my David Andrews and Hunter Henry are asked.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Assuming that report is accurate. Shouldn't it be Bill O'Brien
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: on his butt about that? And are they babying him?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: That's another part of like sort of the soap opera
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: likee was talking about.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but I think I think in some ways,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: and I don't want to say it worse, but like
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: it's more impactful. I feel like when the defense is like,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: you know, in your face, I mean, you hear that
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: stuff a lot of how competitive things would be between
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Brady and the old defense, you know, about how they
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: push each other and all that. But I think the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: defense is probably sick of it, and every time they're
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: getting a pick in practice, they're like, this is what's happening, Like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, this is their chance to then
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: rub it in his face a little bit. I mean,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien's got to do it. And that's of course
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: corrections that are being made after practice. But I it's
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: interesting to me just that the defense.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And that was another part of the soap opera was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Zoe was talking about. During the game, there was a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: time where evidently O'Brien, we can't see this from our purge,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: but O'Brien sort of had his head in his hands.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: There's a picture of double face.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Belichick has his Bill him. Yeah. Bill Belichick was like
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: beeemingly consoling O'Brian. Mac is there, Zappy's over there. Mac
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and Zappy seemed to have no interaction whatsoever. And at
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the same time, the players are like, these are the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: same mistakes. He keeps making the same mistakes, and then
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: again not knowing if all of this is true or not.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: It's all just anecdotal from Afar. Then after the game
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: is like an anonymous quote to whatever was it, Fox
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Fox or you know, with Henry McKenna who ascribes something
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to you know, ostensibly someone in Max camp who says,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: what do you think we're gonna do?
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: You know, like, you can't make garbage taste make.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Garbage taste good if you're the cook. Okay, how do
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you think that goes over? Yeah, but it doesn't matter
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: if it's not true. It's out there, you know, like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: mentally this team is fried right now.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: I also don't like that quote because I'm like, you're
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: actually the cook is doing well right, You're right now
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: he looks like a cook and training, not a chef
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: a fox.
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: So like in Max defense, because we're ripping Mac a lot,
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: and rightfully so I'm ripping every but in Max defense,
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: this is this is abhorrent, Like they can't block anybody.
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: The routes are horrible. The guy that they brought in
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: to replace Jacobe Myers is toast, Like I don't want
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: to see Juju on the field anymore.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: He's horrible.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: But that all you said is true. As a quarterback,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you can't be telling your camp because.
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: I'm telling you right now, and I just no disrespect
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: to Henry. I am would be really really shocked if
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: that quote is true.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Oh then that that's terrible. That's terribly shocked. If the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: quote is true, or if it came from someone that's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: truly in Max camp, because I go.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: To the last yeah, yes, well it's one of Max buddies,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: doesn't think everyone around him is good enough, someone who.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Wants someone who once met Max Jones. I mean, if
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he made up the quote, that's really no.
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: I'm not saying that because I like, I'm not trying
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: to like disrespect Henry like that, but as somebody that
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: can has tried to get into Mac Jones's ear. Trust
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: me when I trust me when I tell you his
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: camp is extremely tight, extremely tight. He's not on social media,
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: he doesn't have a big friendship circle or circle of trust.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's like him, Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: It's it's his family, his parents, and it's well, I
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: don't know about that, but and I like, you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: it's it's a very it's a very very small nucleus
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: of people that really talk to Mac and and get
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: access to Mac.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Can we agree that wouldn't be any agent dumb enough
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to say something like that. So I can't imagine.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I could imagine he thought he was off the record.
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: Okay, I just feel like, you know, on some levels,
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: I feel like all of the blame towards Mac is
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: totally justified. He's playing like crap all right. His feet
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: are all over the place, his eyes are all over
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: the place. He's not running plays even from clean pockets.
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: He's not seeing it. He's not getting to the open reads,
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: he's not delivering the ball on time. Like all these
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: things they're true, And why I would bench I would
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: sit him down because this is you can't win with
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: quarterback play like this, regardless of what's going on around him.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: You just can't.
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: And for all of Zappi's faults, I think he's there's
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: somebody to be said for the fact that he's less
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: broken by the situation currently than Mac. And secondly, he
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: moves around better back there than Mac does. I think,
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: at least from it.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's much question that moves around.
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he moves around a little bit better. He's a
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: little bit bouncier in the pocket, he can kind of
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: evade the rush a little bit more. And maybe having
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: somebody back there that that will, you know, skip to
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: his left or skip to his right a little bit
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: and then make the throw will help the offensive line
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: a little bit. I'm not saying it's going to be
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: worlds better, and his accuracy, as you know, been a
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: real concern. But I don't see how Mac puts himself
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: back together again on the fly, like having to focus
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: on the Raiders and Max Crosby and the game plan
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: and all these different elements like a mental reset. And
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: I know Bill O'Brien said that there's no such thing
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: in season as a mental reset, but that's where I
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: would go. But at the same time, like that's scapegoating
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: Mac for Belichick's failures.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: YEA, Like this is.
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: That you're you're blaming what happened to this offense over
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: the last you know whatever games it's been, you know,
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: twenty games now dating back to last year on the
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: quarterback when the problem is really with the head coach
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: and the general manager. Like you came into the season
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: with no tackles besides Trent Brown, you have no receivers
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: that are worth a damn to anybody. You like, you
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: have an offense that is completely talentless, completely and you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: you go watch like the Raiders and the Packers, like
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: even last night, that they have a totally different ballgame.
• 28:47
  Speaker 11: Like I just watched the Raiders offense film and it's like,
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: you know, they got different ways to attack you. They
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: got different guys to attack you with, Like you want
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: double cover DeVante Adams. We have Jacobe Myers, we have
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: the running game with Josh Jacobs, We have other plans up.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And we have are with a halfway line. Yeah, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you know, because they haven't been able to run the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: ball up.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Their offensive line is terrible. Yeah, but this is I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: think this is the point. You can do things with
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: a bad offensive line if you have some skill guys
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that can overcome.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm watching.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Struggling offensively to know they don't score either, but it's
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: even the fact that they don't score, like they scored
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: seventeen points in that game, and it still looks World's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: worlds better than anything the Patriots. Yeah, and you're watching
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Garoppolo and he's calm and he's seeing it and he's
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: progressing through his reads. You know, there's a play before
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the half where he's got DeVante Adams running a double move.
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: It's not there. He comes off that comes to the
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: backside dig makes the throw. Like these are things that
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: Mac is just not doing right now because the second
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: that the first read isn't immediately there for him, it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: panic mode.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: It's instant panic.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: But also there's people on top of them. You know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that's part.
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: But even but even when there's not like even from
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: the clean pockets, it's you know, it's skipping reads, it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: getting to it's first read check down or first read panic.
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: Like those are like the two elements of this.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Six was one of those. He like the protection was
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: reasonable and I don't think he thought it was, and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: he kind of panicked and tried to throw a check
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: down to Stevenson was at his feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I mean he was had to play. They had no chance,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: so I thought he had some time.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: These things are overshadowing everything for me. And it's like
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: you can get down to the nitty gritty of the
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: offensive line and max footwards, but it's like, if the
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: team doesn't believe in Mac, or the team isn't buying
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: what Belichick is saying, they're anywhere doesn't. Yeah, I mean
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I think that. I think I think it's totally relevant
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: because that's what this team doesn't look like right now.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: They don't look like it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: They Sunday that wasn't playing for its head coach and
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't playing for its quarter.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: They were just kind of running out there and and
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: it just got worse. And we said it right from
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the get go when he threw the.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying quit, Like, don't mistake that I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: said that they laid down, because I don't think they did, no,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: But I don't think they have belief in what's going on.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Right right and to win an NFL football game, like,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: you have to be all in as a team, you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: to be a great team, you have to all be
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: all in.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: As easy as the Patriots have made it look over
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the last dynasty it's hard to win football games in
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: See it now, it's hard to win now.
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: It's also hard to lose thirty four to nothing. Right, So,
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: like if you're losing thirty four to nothing like I
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: we and myself included, we talk about the talent gap
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: and like the lack of talent offensively, these are NFL players,
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: Like these guys on the Patriots roster are NFL players.
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: You don't lose seventy two to three in a two
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: week span just because you're down talent compared to the
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: other team.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: No, it's a bigger there's more issues.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Like normally, if you're just short on talent, you lose
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: like you did the first two games. Yeah right, yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: which we were quite good enough.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: They plays better than they're you know, they made the
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: plays we didn't.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But so there's only one guy right now they can
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: write this ship, and that's Bill Belichick. He's the only
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: it's up to him. He created it. He's the only
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: guy that can.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Well that's that's where I've landed. I'm sure we can all.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: You know, we got a lot of calls about like
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: fire Bill and stuff and get I just think he's
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: spent the last twenty plus years building this ship, you
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: make them walk the plank. Now he's getting off easy,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: you know, like he's just getting out and someone else
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: is gonna have to deal with the mess he put
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: this team together. He's gonna have to, you know, finish
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: this season out and and try to turn it around.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: It's his, it's his mess what he made.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: So thirteen wins is still in play.
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: Oh, I understand, like from an organizational perspective, and I
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: feel like I understand this a little bit more now
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: than I maybe did before that the optics of firing
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: in season a head coach like Bill Belichick who has
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: built this entire thing alongside you basically for the last
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: twenty five years, is like a slap in the face.
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: That's probably a step too far. The crafts like, you can't.
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: There's six Super Bowl banners hanging up, and regardless of
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: where you fall on the Brady Belichick thing, their percentage
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: of the credit goes to Bill, like, regardless of how
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: much percentage you feel like it does, And you can't
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: just fire a guy with that kind of cachet in
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: the middle of the season. With that being said, the
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: last two weeks and Sunday in particular, is a fireable offense,
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: Like the way that this team performed at home after
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: getting their doors blown off in Dallas, to come out
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: and get shut out on your home turf is fireable.
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Any other two So a team that was beatable too,
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: it's like they they weren't out here scoring thirty points
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: every single week either, So I think that's a tough
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: part to it. It was the Saints, like it wasn't like
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: it was the Bills.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: And I would look at some of the different things
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that happened in those games, like you get you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: obviously the glaring one is fourth and three from the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: forty down twenty four to nothing with nine to fifty
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: five left in the third quarter. Like that to me
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: is like and I know he's like, well, we hadn't
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: seen anything about our ability to convert on third or
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: fourth down, so let's let's not try, right, Like are
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: you just pouting now? And that's when I get back
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to my soap opera stuff, like what message does that
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: send to your team? Okay, the coach has decided the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: game is over. Now listen, We're not stupid. We've all
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: watched NFL games. It was twenty four to nothing, with
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: ten minutes left in the third quarter, we all felt
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the game was over. Okay, so I'm not telling you
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that it was like the most egregious capitulation that I've
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: ever seen. But to do that in the game is
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: not normal.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: No, it felt more about you guys, can't do it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So if it's fourth and three from your own twenty five,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: by all means punt the ball, but from the other
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: team's forty, especially where.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: You're trying to get something brilliant even if you've lost
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: the game, Like, hey see, if I can get a
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: drive fourth down with a great play and we score
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: a really nice touchdown and we come out of this
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: game saying it was terrible. But man, they went for
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: them on that fourth down and they showed some fight there,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: and you know that will be the talking.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And now you give the defense a reason to take
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the field and say, hey, we just scored, let's get
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the ball back. Yeah, you know, I don't think the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: defense is near the top of the problem list, right,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: but they forced two turnovers all year, ye right, two takeaways?
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: So it was it the Gonzales pick and what was
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: the other one fumble?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: The first Marcus Jones recovered to fumble on Jalen.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: Hurs, Jabriel Peppers, your boy, how you forget that?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: But I think that's that's the point, is like if
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: you could point to you know, you're you're coming through
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: this this tape, and if you could say, oh, like
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: this was they did this consistently well, or they did
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: that good, or they did what like a drive at
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: the end of the game. It's garbage time, it doesn't matter,
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: but at least you could look at that drive and say, hey,
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: they strung like six seven plays consecutively together, and these
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: are the plays and this is what they can do well,
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: and this is what they're you know, leaning on here
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: and in this game you just there's just there's none
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: of that.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: There's really Remember when the Patriots had a couple of
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: garbage time wins to close the twenty eighteen season that
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: no one thought meant anything and turned out to be
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: their new identity into the postseason, right, Yea, you know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: they found out that they could do some things with
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Sony Michelle and they kind of wrote that now, I
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: obviously they don't do any of it without Brady because
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: we all know how the game's unfolded. But that was
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: how they played, they started to lean a little bit more,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and that's it. I don't know the answer to the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: question what they do well, but to me, I think
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the number one priority has to be to try to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: figure out anyway, some way, somehow to get Remondo Stan.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I'd like to hope that, you know, there is that
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: type of you know, change that can happen like in eighteen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: But I just don't see the horses. No.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like you're thirteen and fortes.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not even saying I'm just.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Talking about what I would do on Sunday is I
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: would probably say, like maybe even like let's just take
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Pharaoh Brown and just line them up and forget three
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: tight ends, line them up at full back and run power,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you know, like some power. I don't know if it
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: would work. I'm not telling you that's the like the panas,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: just but something to take the pressure off of the quarterback.
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: I think they are going to try to do some
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: of those things, like you know, the Kendrick Bourne play
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: action pass that game twenty eight yards in the second
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: half is like a seven man protect like max protect.
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: Let's keep all the tight ends in and let's just
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: hold the forour it and it's a two man route
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: combination running the ball out of like full back alignments
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: or heavy personnel groupings and just essentially simplifying it all
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: the way down.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And that works at times. I remember, you know, going
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: back with Bloodstoe, when the old line would would be
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: beat up, they'd leave that extra guy in and they
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: do match protect and they'd have a semblance of an offense.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: They'd figure it out.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: It just gives you less to kind of work with
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: on the outside. But it just gives you less to
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: kind of fake out and work with, and you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: less options for mackets. Kind of like it's all on
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne. Now you got to get open on this one.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: So it's the Raiders. You know, the Raiders were just okay.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: I mean they're not good defensively period, but they're just
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: okay stopping the run. I thought the Packers had some success.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Last night, just playing boring power football early on with
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: AJ Dillon, and I thought they had some drives. Now
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: they kept making mistakes. It was those two teams last
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: night I thought looked close to being pretty good. But
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you see why they're kind of middling because they keep
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: making mistakes.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, boy, oh boy.
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's it's like if they let the Raiders go
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: out and score thirty.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Oh jeez, oh no, no, no, no.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: The Raiders aren't going to score thirty unless you buy
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the Raiders.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you score some for them.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: But it just Jacobe Miners is probably gonna throw a touchdown.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let him try.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Uh, just so you know, they were really intent on
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a trick play.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Last week, couple.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I saw that I had a pitch to Jacobs that
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: he was going to throw it back to Jimmy, and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was Russeull Douglas decision. Yes, there's a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: good play by Jacobs not to throw it back, And
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: then they had a flee flick or later that Josh.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Loves the flickers, the flickers.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: They call, he will throw some. I mean he's I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: think he's leading the league and picks, right, Jimmy.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: G Yeah, threw a bad one. I actually thought it
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: was a bad one yesterday.
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: The one last night I thought was more on Jacoby
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: not to like not pointing fingers that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: They made the right decision.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We haven't thrown any picks with Juju's fault.
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but yeah, I felt like he drifted a little
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: bit on the route and but.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: That's a Kobe thing. It's it's I mean, it's gonna
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: fester this week. But like just the I mean it's
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: it's it's funny the guys like me and Evan and
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: you know, Brian Hines, it that's pulpit, you know, like
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: all these like you know, all right, all right, like
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: all of us who are like, no, no, I see it,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: they're gonna swit like all of us to a tea
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: are just like what were we thinking? And now it's
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: it's almost like this this one, this this personnel decision
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: is really one that I think is hanging around Bill, right,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: and we all we we.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Had a guy who we drafted who was doing well,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and we complained, why can't we develop wide receivers? Well,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: we were in the process of that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we can all agree that I was outside
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the move, right, Yeah, oh yeah, but it was that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: But but I I just thought there was no real
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: difference between the players, and why not stick with the
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: guy as Fred said that you developed and I had
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a relationship with Mac. It wasn't like, oh, no, Myers
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: is way better than No. I didn't think that. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: thought they were kind of the same guy. Yeah, they're not.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: They're definitely not. And I mean it was staring you
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: right there in the face, and you know, I just
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I still feel bad. Like you know, I never felt
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: it was disrespectful to Jacoby, but it just wasn't truly
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: valuing what he was. And I mean, and I said
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: it a couple of times as well, he was always
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: productive with whatever quarterback you put him with. He was
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: productive with Cam Newton.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And that is for to get in Brady's services at
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the very end, that's a really good point.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: And for a team that's just like we don't really
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: know what the quarterbacks, it's like you need those guys
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: who are Look, even whatever happens with Mac, we know
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: we can count on Jacoby. Myers was going to be
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: a solid two three. I know that's a negative thing
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: around here, but he don't even have that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: When we lost Myers, it was a double whammy. Not
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: only do we lose one of our best receivers, we
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: lost one of our best listeners and his father.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I hope he still listens just because it was our
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: analysis is top flight, but I mean, it's it's it's
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: a it's just a really really hard move to reconcile
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: in what this team needs. And you know, and also
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: just a tough sell for Bill. As you know, Jacoby
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: was such a model player of an undrafted I think.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: His speaking out had something to do with him part
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of that problem here.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part of the pat.
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: I'm like for Mac Jones, he really needed him. So
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: I'm like, you would have just had to get over
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: that because.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, this year for calling the offense like bad,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: like calling out a terrible offense.
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: Like imagine this year Mac having him, like knowing that
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: he would be there, Okay, if my first reason there,
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: Jakobe will be there, Like that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Would have helped them and Max how many times you
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: say last year like, oh, he's my best friend on
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: the team, Like he's my you know, I hope I'm
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: playing with him for a long time. I remember that
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: quote specifically, And you know, it's just another little thing
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: that didn't set Mac Johnson.
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: He's just so Jacoby looks so at home playing next
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: to DeVante Adams, Like that's like where he belongs, is
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: the number two to a guy like DeVante Adams. And
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: he's on pace for eleven hundred yards eleven hundred yards
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: this year and he also just looks like his body
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: language he like, i' mean an offense with McDaniels and DeVante.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Adams like it just it looks he looks to him.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Just looks like it looks like an NFL receiver who produces.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I noticed the same thing after that touchdown when he
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: went to the bench.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I noticed hemour yeah shoulder.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I noticed that.
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: That weirdly makes me wonder what it would be like
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: if Mac had Josh and Jacoby like both still.
• 42:49
  Speaker 11: I like stand outside Josh mcdaniels's window at the boo
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: box like please please come.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Home in your playbook.
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: But it's but he needs to bring back Jacoby like Joshua.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Love it, love it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: They just you know, they have a you know with
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: with the Raiders. It's it's a similar thing with like
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: the quarterback, like the like Jimmy Garoppolo is not a
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: gunslinger back there either. He doesn't move well like he's
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: not it doesn't handle pressure well, but they get him
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: those like intermediate inbreaking rounds in rhythm, and he just
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: he's able to still just stand there and make some
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: throws like It's just.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Garoppolo is just the perfect West Coast operator. I know
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that the West Coast offense is kind of out of
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: vogue now, but that's what he's built for, Like quick
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: release in rhythm, accurate and the short to mid pass
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: is like he's perfect for that, you know. And when
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: he was at his best that short time when he
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: was with the Patriots in that game in Miami where
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: he got hurt, up to that point, it was all
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: quick release. I mean, I'm never he was perfect in
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: that game, perfect, you know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: And then do you think, like Mac Jones is lacking
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: that veteran that could, like how Jimmy g was out there, calm, cool,
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: collective the whole game, Like lacking that here, that veteran
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: voice to talk to him in the quarterback room and
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: help him through these moments like this, because I feel
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: like Cam Newton was here, but like it's not the same.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that's supposed to be your quarterback coach, you know,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: that's that should be Bill O'Brien. It's supposed to be.
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: But you know, just not having that like there, you.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Just wonder, like Bill O'Brien comes in in all this
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: expectation with him he's gonna turn the offense around, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: now you know, things aren't going good. But how's he
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: feeling now? He's worrying about his own future. This is
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: hurting my future, my reputation.
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: You know I was Bill O'Brien, I would be just
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: furious with Bill. Furious, But like he went into the season,
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: they don't have a right tackle, Like, they don't have
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: a right tackle. They don't have any receivers. They don't
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: have a big play receiver, and they don't have like
• 44:59
  Speaker 11: a go to receiver. They don't have either one of
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: those guys. They don't have a third down running back, Like,
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: can they just have somebody that what happened a time
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: on going like on third and two? Can we just
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: pick up three yards on a little like swing pass
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: into the flat to James White?
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: No, that doesn't even exist anymore.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And that was such a huge part of this offense.
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so you don't have like Bill, like you talk
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: about Mac like being held back by the supporting cast.
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: Bill O'Brien has got like two hands tied behind his
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: back and he's trying to make water out of wine,
• 45:29
  Speaker 11: I mean or whatever.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Well, it just makes me wonder if he's been watching
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: the slow motion car crash since he got here in
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: the spring and was like the draft and he saw
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: saw what I'm just trying to like be like calm about.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: He looked at the offensive line after free agency, he
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: looked at the defense after the draft and said, hey,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: you know, how about something Hollo something for me, you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: And I mean it's it's it's got to be building.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: It can't be got to the season. Was like all
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: of a sudden realized, oh god, we have no players.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: We gave you city.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So that's why I brought up that fourth down play
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: when Evan said, you know, like this is you know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of this is Bill's baking. Like that's why
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I worry about the mentality of the team, the players themselves.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You know, is everybody pulling in the same direction right
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: now or is there a lot of confusion? Like this
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: is really the offensive line he thought was what was
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: going to give it put us in the position to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: be able to be successful. Like how does mac Jones
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: get a chance to succeed behind that offensive line? If
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you remember Madre Stevenson, how do I get I mean,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I had a thousand yard year last year and I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to take a step forward and I'm getting hit
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in the backfield every other carry, you know.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: So there's only carrying the ball eight times.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of that.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of all right, eight five five
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: pass five hundred, too much, I do.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll ask my own.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Question a five to five paths five hundred web radio
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: at pitches dot com is the email address interested in
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Van Jefferson?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Anyone? Sure? Evidently he's unhappy. Yeah, he didn't play much
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. I think he's looking for a change of scenery.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to, I don't just
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. I like Van Jefferson as a player, and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I would certainly take him on this team. I just
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: don't know if the Patriots are in a position where
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: they should be at.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Like adding guys now is not.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I'd rather go the other way.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Let's let's get what we have going, what we have
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: on the team.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: No, I would add guys, Like, how about we trade
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne to them and they give us Van Jefferson back. Yeah,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: take that man, just as long as I'm not giving
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: up high high round draft picks. Would But yeah, I.
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: Just I don't know, like the high round draft picks
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: thing though, like you know, if you if you think
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: you're going to be picking in the top five and
• 47:36
  Speaker 11: obviously you're not trading your first round pick. But at
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: the same time, like they just need good players and
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: like to just like count on it all coming in
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: the draft is gonna be.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: A way Van Jefferson, I don't think would go like no.
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: No, only like no, I'm not talking I'm more like
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: talking about like the Jerry Judy's of the world, like
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: if those guys are are truly available, but like at
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: the same time, I am just out on bill making
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: personnel to decisions at this point for this team. So
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: like if they're gonna like trade guy but for guys
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: or whatever, that is gonna mortgage the future, Like you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: I don't want him doing that, Like you know, if
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: I'm crapped, I'm saying to him, like let's let's play
• 48:14
  Speaker 11: out the string here and let's like hope it gets better,
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: but we're not gonna trade our second round pick. That
• 48:21
  Speaker 11: might be like the thirty fifth pick in the draft
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: for Jerry Judy just to like have you save face.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: We're not doing that to that point.
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: If the Patriots continue down this road just not winning
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: any more, games, and they're like, Okay, Bill, you can stay,
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: but somebody else is gonna be GM. Do you think
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: you do it?
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: No?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: No, And I have no interest in that. I gotta
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: be honest. I think that's dysfunctional. Yeah, I don't think
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that works. I heard my boys talking about that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: And they're talking about it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Doesn't work.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: And you can't have say it doesn't work at all
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: on any team or just because of Bill.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Because of Bill, yeah, because he's been doing it fast.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: So then if and I don't want him coaching those guys.
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So then if you close the chapter with Bill,
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: would you want a separation that have a higher GM
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: and then also hire a new head coach?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I think so unless there's somebody available as a head
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: coach who's just really earned the right to run everything right,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I don't see who that would be though.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my guess is it would be a tandem of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: some sort. But I don't I'm not interested in only
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: only half of Bill. I know a lot of other
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: people think that's the be all end all. I don't
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: want Bill coaching these offensive players if you're going to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: have an upgrade in talent, I don't want his mentality
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: seeping into it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, are we all in agreement though when I
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: think that we are that we do not want the
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: you know, once Belichick leaves, we want to put a
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: period on the Belichick period and not try to keep
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: some of the Belichick system and some of the guys
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: comes in.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I want a new fresh start.
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I actually want to start all over, like a
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: real story.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like you really don't know what's going on.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: But like if another person comes in and says no, no,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I want to keep this person, Like who you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I'll throw Steve Belichick out there?
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Not interesting?
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: Now the only guy that I would keep from this
• 50:10
  Speaker 11: current staff other than like, you know, I really like Covington,
• 50:13
  Speaker 11: I like I like Pellegrino. If Mayo, if you want
• 50:16
  Speaker 11: to keep Gid Mayo is the defensive coordinator and actually
• 50:19
  Speaker 11: give him the title of defensive coin.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Like that, Like I want I want to cut because
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I want to cut away from I think Mike is right.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I want to put a period on the Bill Belichick
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: period like that. That air is over and I want
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: to cut. Now to your point, Fred, if a guy
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: has a relationship with Gerd Mayo or even Bill O'Brien,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. I'm not going to tell you.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I hate it, but I don't want to tie the
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: direct tie to Belichick. Well, plus, you don't want to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: start fair, and that's not a shot at Belichick. It's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: more like I just want to like sort of a
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: clean I know.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: But you like, you hire the new guy, you're going
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to trust him now, and he says, you know, i'd
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: like to keep something. You can't keep him like that
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem right. If he feels like this guy can
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: help him, yeah, give him money, thinks that can help.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: But I think just by asking the question, you're already
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: cutting off at the pass what I'm kind of getting at.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: You're giving this guy the choice to keep people. And
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: if he really wants to keep Steve Belichick, all right,
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: but I just don't want to see especially like like
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: the stream would be, let's put Bill up. Bill's gonna
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: go upstairs and he's gonna be in a football advisor role,
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: and then we're gonna put Girod in the head coaching seat,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: and you know, Steve's gonna be the defensive I don't
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: think anybody wants to sign up for let's just kind
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: of shuffle the chairs.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Bill didn't want that in the Jets. I mean, that's
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: what they're gonna do with Parcels. He was gonna be
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: kind of advisor. When Bill says, I'm not working in
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: his shadow, yeah, yeah, I'm not doing that.
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: I don't mind, like Mayo if you want to, because
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: the defense still plays hard, they still play on a string.
• 51:42
  Speaker 11: I still think they're innovative to an extent on defense.
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: So like if girod Mayo, Mike Pellegrino, DeMarcus Covington, Like
• 51:48
  Speaker 11: if those guys stick around and and Drod's the DC,
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: and then you have an offensive minded head coach, like
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: that's that's all well and good the offensive coaching staff.
• 51:58
  Speaker 11: You know, some of those guys quite frankly, I would
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: think about moving on from right now. You know, I
• 52:04
  Speaker 11: don't know what Adrian Clem is really doing with that group.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 52:09
  Speaker 11: It's one thing to just like put it all on
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: injuries and say, oh, well, you know, he hasn't had
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: like the best talent, and he's had all these guys
• 52:16
  Speaker 11: injury guys aren't getting better like that he's had.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: But my only point is we don't know who the
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: next Dante's Garnecia could be on this staff. I mean,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Dante Scarneci has survived many many regimes because I each
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: once saw the value in him.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I get that's fair, get point. I would rather have
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: it not be a tie to Belichick. That's all I'm saying.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I just wish, like for their sake, not like again,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: not a shot at Bill. I know, Bill's greatness I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: think goes you know, I don't think we have to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: spell it his resume.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: But and I think too well, we've all seen that
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: when head coaches come from here and try to take
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: that and be that somewhere else, that it just it
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: doesn't work. Like let him, he did it, it was him. Now,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: let's have a new kind of regime here. And you know,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: if there's some leftovers, that's fine. But I just think
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: I think i'd be curious if there are people out
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: there that, you know, are like what, we have to
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: maintain some kind of you know, connection to that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't need that, you don't have
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: to have it. I'm just saying, yeah, let's let's let's
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: let the guy know.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: And you don't want, Yeah, you don't want to throw
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: the baby out with the bathwater. To your point, if
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: you know, DeMarcus Covington is you know, one of the
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: hottest up and coming coaches in the league, and everybody's
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: aware of that, and you know, I don't think anyone
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: would say that, you know that the defensive line has
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: been a disaster, So I yeah, I get what you're saying.
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: I just wish that when they had hired O'Brien. You know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: they they hired a new offensive line coach because they
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: fired the last like Patricia was one and the same,
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: so they had an opening there and then they let
• 53:38
  Speaker 11: him bring the tight ends coach will will lie. But
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: other than that, you know, the offensive staff is the
• 53:43
  Speaker 11: same as it was last year, And like what would
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: have happened with these receivers As much as you can
• 53:49
  Speaker 11: talk about the talent, if like Keenan McCardell was in
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: that spot instead of Troy Brown or Sean Jefferson was
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: in that spot, you know what, like would would that
• 53:57
  Speaker 11: group be better? Like would that group be different? Like
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: I think it's more about like being different than it
• 54:02
  Speaker 11: is necessarily even being better. It's just a different coach,
• 54:05
  Speaker 11: a different voice, a different perspective, Like that's that room
• 54:10
  Speaker 11: has been bad now under Troy Brown for multiple seasons,
• 54:14
  Speaker 11: and like, we just keep on spinning the wheels with it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 11: And I just wish that they had hired from out
• 54:19
  Speaker 11: of house to replace wide receiver cover.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: You remember Evan brings those two names up specifically because
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: they interviewed. Yeah, you know, way back when the whole
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: press press release about changes will be made, and Bill
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: O'Brien had yet to sort of officially shake free and
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: all that. I think they talked to both of those guys, right, yep.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: All right, let's turn it to the listeners. Eight five
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: to five pass five hundred is the a sticket Hut line.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Todd, North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 54:47
  Speaker 12: You know, I listened on ESPN and the guy was Green.
• 54:50
  Speaker 12: He said that, you know, if anybody has the cachet
• 54:52
  Speaker 12: to let Bill go in the middle of the year,
• 54:54
  Speaker 12: it's Robert Kraft. He said, I've met him a lot
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: of times, you talked to him.
• 54:57
  Speaker 13: He's just got the gravitas.
• 54:59
  Speaker 14: He could do it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 13: So you guys are talking about that earlier.
• 55:02
  Speaker 12: So I think if that anybody could release still in
• 55:04
  Speaker 12: the middle of season, mister Kraft, he could, but.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: He will not.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Or Jerry Jones or like fifteen other owners.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he will not do that, and I don't think
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: he should.
• 55:13
  Speaker 12: One point right now is do we want to fix
• 55:15
  Speaker 12: this season and then perpetuate this cycle that we're in
• 55:18
  Speaker 12: where we get a Midland draft pick up there so
• 55:21
  Speaker 12: we got lucky with this one.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're being optimistic about getting a Midland
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: draft pick, but we want to do that. Yeah, it's
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: a good question, Todd. Todd's point is a good one,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: And this is where I think Evan was sort of
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: touching on when he doesn't deserve to be fired based
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: on his resume in the middle of the season. But
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I could understand if you make that determination because you're
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: worried that A, he's going to do things that aren't
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: necessarily in the best long term for the team, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: B he's such a good coach that he is going
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to figure some of these things out and you're gonna
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: win a couple of games that you maybe don't want to,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, doubt I know. The more
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: important part for me is the first part, Like I
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: don't want him trading a second round pick to you
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: a point, Mike for Van Jefferson, because well, that might
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: help me win more games and I can get closer
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: to the record. That's not like and I understand like
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: how is winning games and not in the best interestview team.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: That's an example like giving away assets potentially for a
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: short term game that's not really gonna be a vad And.
• 56:32
  Speaker 11: If the like organizations like standpoint is that we're gonna
• 56:38
  Speaker 11: basically quiet tank because they're not gonna ever, but they're
• 56:42
  Speaker 11: gonna quiet tank, that tells me that Bill is in
• 56:46
  Speaker 11: on the quiet tank. And so when they get that
• 56:49
  Speaker 11: top five draft pick next year and they draft Drake May,
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: who's coaching Drake May Bill Belichick.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Is and I don't I gotta be on with you.
• 57:00
  Speaker 11: I have not seen any signs based off of how
• 57:03
  Speaker 11: he's handled Mac Jones and how he's handled building the
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: offense up around Mac Jones that wants me to give
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: Bill another try at another first round quarterback.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but you have to find something you know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: you know, as Bill famously said about Tom Brady based
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: on his age in his contract, you want whoever you
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: if you're bringing in a top flight quarterback, you want
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: him to be the future of your team, but also
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you want him to work with a head coach, who's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: the future of your team? And if Bill's going to
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: be here for two or three more years, what are
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: we doing.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: That's an easy spin, you know, for Robert Kraft and
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Craft to say we needed to to start over,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: we needed a new quarterback, and we wanted to make
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: it as easy for that new quarterback to know he's
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: going to have the same head coach.
• 57:52
  Speaker 11: That's why it also has to be, in my opinion,
• 57:54
  Speaker 11: it needs to be an offensive guy. Yeah, because then
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: otherwise you're going to run the situation with McDaniels where
• 57:59
  Speaker 11: the court is gonna leave after one year and leave
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: you high and.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Showed it yesterday they were talking the same thing.
• 58:04
  Speaker 11: And it's just I don't want Bill developing the next quarterback.
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: I don't want him building the roster in around the
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: next quarterback.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: He's more angry about it that I don't think he's
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: wrong to be able to slap him in the face.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: I am way like it's inside. It is a lot
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: more than even when I'm letting on right now.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: I am just.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Your happy play seven.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: This is supposed to be my happy place. You're bad,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Like you know, we talked. Someone asked me after the
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Dallas game. You know, is this rock bottom? And I said, no,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Like I I've been a Patriots fan my whole life.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I've seen rock bottom.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, this two game stretch might have been the
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: worst two game stretch, but the team, it can't get worse.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: And I mean like ugly stories getting out to the press.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: No, but I'm just talking about in general, Like you
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: can lose every week. I've seen it. I went through
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: a one in fifteen season.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Sure, that's that's where I went fred when I saw
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: the Henry report. You know, all the substance of it aside.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: But but this is what happens when teams get bad
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: and the start and that's part.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Of the come to Jesus meeting. Assuming it happens. You
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: got to nip that stuff in the butt, you know, Like,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: but we need to be loyal to each other. We
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: need to be we need to be able to trust
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: each other, you know.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: In terms of the rock bottom stuff, though, there there
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: are some things out there. So we have a meeting
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: every Tuesday. And Evan joked around to like, so what
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: do we you know Caleb Williams, Do you guys know
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: what Caleb Williams is talking about like as a possibility
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: of him not going in the draft because he's gonna
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: he's gonna make more money, is an I l money
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: than he will as a room in LA. So he
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: has to select few teams that he'd be willing to
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: be drafted by, and the Patriots ain't one of them.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about rock bottom, Get the number
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: one overall pick and have the guy not to clear
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: for the.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Draft or demand to trade.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Now, I would I would just say wait, I would
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: just say, you know, I'll believe it when I see
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: it with Caleb Williams. But that's the story that's out
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: there right now is he has a small handful of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: teams that he'd agree to enter the draft if they
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: were in that position, and the Patriots aren't on it.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: So you think it's rock bottom when you lose back
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: to back games, try to get them any number one pick,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: being in position to get this guy who you think
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: can help you finally get over Tom Brady and he
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to play for you.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you know that the Patriots drafted fran Tarkenton. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: and he went to the NFL instead of the AFO. Yeah,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: one of those guys.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I was.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: I was doing the Mailbay today and just you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: putting it on paper for You've had the worst playoff
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: loss in team history, You've had the worst loss of
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: Belichick's tenure, and then you had the worst home shutout
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: loss of team history. Like it isn't rock bottom yet,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: but it's like how many more negative superlatives can we
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: continue to stack this season?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I was saying about the Raiders. I'm like,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: this team hasn't scored over twenty points, but like what
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: if they do on Sunday?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: And like, I mean, it's just it's just the volume
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: that's really starting to catch up with it all. It's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: how that game ended, It's letting Jacobe Myers go, it's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: drafting Cole Strange. It's just there's been how many moves
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: have been made outside of drafting Christian Gonzalez who kind
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: of fell into your lap have worked out? Like what
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: moves have worked out? Like nothing they really did last
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: offseason is paid off unless Riley Reef steps in and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: suddenly becomes, you know, the second coming of Logan Man.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 11: Do you want to find like a small sliver of
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 11: bright spot? Like he was pretty solid in that game
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 11: all things Yeah, right, Riley Reef, I thought was probably
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 11: their best offensive lineman in the game, besides maybe David Andrews.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: But see it's all coming together.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Donnie and Pittsburgh. Hey Donnie, hey.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 13: All, thanks for taking the cume again. I think when
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 13: we talked last week, like a lot of the fan
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 13: base that was in a pretty negative place ended up
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 13: talking over Evan and Paul that saw. Apologies for that.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 13: But somehow this week, maybe with this news of Taekwon Thornton,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 13: I am feeling more positive and with these changes on
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 13: the offense, and I really agree with what Evan's saying
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 13: when he talks about Andrew's you know, interview and the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 13: body language of Henry. They need to do something over there,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 13: hopefully it involves the kids. And I just wanted to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 13: back up what Paul said in the post game. Your
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 13: comment was something along the lines of it's hard to
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 13: play defense this way, you know, and we're grading these
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 13: guys under a microscope when the starting cornerbacks are out.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: But continuing my trend as the offensive drive guy, the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: Saints had twelve offensive drives that weren't kneel downs, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 13: we forced punts on seven of them. One of those
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 13: punts started at our own forty yard line. Every scoring
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 13: drive started at the New Orleans thirty eight or better,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 13: or came off a turnover.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: You know, so even the field's that's that's a very
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: optimistic to look at that. Yeah, there was nothing good
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: about that game than they's had over two hundred yards
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: in the first half. Like that's an offense that doesn't
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: move the ball, moved it that will in the first half.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Do another call? Paul's foods here and then we'll take
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: a break. To me, such a bad Graham's in New Jersey.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: What's up? Graham?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: Not this again?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: And we only have sixty yard drives because we can hear.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: You, Graham, even though Paul continuing to talk.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: About John alumni but Toby Myers stuff.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 15: Really, I just don't see why you want.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get tough connection. Maybe call back after the break.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: It seems like every third call we have is a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: bad I think it's us.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: It's line three, and can we skip line three and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: send them to line four? No, we don't, we can't
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: And they call me in as they come in.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, so we only have three lines that's.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Why people always get busy singles when they call us.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, anyway, we'll take a break, Graham.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe you want to call back after the break. Well,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: if we called back now, it'll have to be on
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: line three because the other two wants to take it,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: So Graham's in a tough spot. We'll be right back
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: after this.
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  Speaker 8: What's up, everybody, Mattie here? Instead of rubbing it in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: your faces with the highlight montage, trust me, it was
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: not good this week. Let's listen to Mac Jones on
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: Patriots Monday on Wei.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 17: We've talked to you now the last few weeks. The
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 17: record has not gone in the direction you guys want.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: You're one and four.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 17: The points have gone in the wrong direction, from twenty
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 17: to seventeen to fifteen to three to now zero yesterday.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 17: You've told us before it's going to get better.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: It has not.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 17: You said you're going to watch tape, and I'm sure
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 17: you guys are, but that hasn't seemed to help either.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 17: Why should we and fans believe that things are going
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 17: to get better?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is, you know, just
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: try and figure out the root cause to each of
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: the issues. And that's playing better as the team, playing
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: better for me as a quarterback. And we just didn't
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: have the answers to the test yesterday. And you just
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: got to move forward in this league, that's what it is.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: You can't look back. You got to move forward. And
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: I'm not happy with anything nobody is, and it starts
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: with me as the quarterback.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 18: So Mack, you you say there that you didn't have
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 18: the answers to the test, and I believe in your
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 18: appearance with the media after yesterday's game at the podium,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 18: at one point you said something about not being ready
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 18: to go, feeling like you're not ready. Is that an
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 18: answer about the game plan going into these games?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: I think for us, like I always say, every game
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: is different, and as a quarterback of the offense, I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: want to go out there and score on the opening
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: drive and it's frustrating when that doesn't happen. And like
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: I said, you just want to find the root cause
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: to why it's not happening, and then from there you
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: have to problem solve I'm and figure out, hey, what
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: can we do better? What can I do better? Obviously
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: it's been a trend for a few years around here
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: and just has to be an improvement and that'll really
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: help us get off the better start in the games.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: Mac yesterday and then again today, Bill said that it's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: time to start over, that the plan was to sort
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: of start over. Do you think it's time to start
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: over for you personally? Do you think that starting over
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: this season is something that's even feasible after five weeks
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: and everything in the preseason, all that leading up. What
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: does that sort of mean to you and how do
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: you plan to do that?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think the biggest thing is being
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: all in together. And obviously it's not looking great right now,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: and we got to really look in the mirror and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: figure out how we can respond to adversity. And I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: think we have the potential and talent to do that,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: and obviously we have to go out there and do it.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: So it's hard when everything's they're not going great, But
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, we have a lot
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: of football have to play, and I know there's a
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: lot of fight in the team and in my teammates.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: Have you ever been on a team before that sort
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: of had like a reset like this early on in
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: the season.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's a great question. I think everyone you
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: know has played sports for a long time and they'd
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: be lying if they said every year was perfect, right.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: So I think that's the important part is understanding that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: Sporce brings a lot of adversity and as a team
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: you have to be all in together and challenge and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: face the challenge excuse me, And that's going to be
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: a very big part for us. It has been the
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: last couple of weeks and we you know, have to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: do better and I have to do better, and it's
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: going to start with practice.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 18: Along those lines going back to high school, before high
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 18: school youth sports. Is this the most challenging stretch for
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 18: you as a quarterback that you can remember?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for everybody, Like I said, sports has
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: a lot of adversity, there are a lot of emotion
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: around everything. And for me, it's about what's my situation
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: right now and how can I get better and how
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: can I help the team win? And that's just by
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: being me and going to work every day, working hard
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: and bringing guys with me. And I can do a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: much better job of that in terms of just being
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: me and bringing guys along. So you have to fight.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: There's no time to feel sorry, and we do have
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: to reset and come up with a game plan and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: attack it.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 17: We're talking to Patriots quarterback Mac Jones here on a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 17: Patriots Monday on w E I. I asked you this
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 17: last week, Mac, after you were benched against Dallas, benched
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 17: again yesterday, have you been told you're the starter?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: This week.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: Well, we were off today, so obviously I'm going to
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: focus on, you know, watching all the tape I can,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: and I'm really just looking forward to trying to come
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: up with a game plan of what I can do better.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: And that's what I do every week, and I have
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: done that every week since I've been in the NFL.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: So I know that there's a we haven't done great
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: on offense, and there's a lot of uncertainty surroundings everything.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I got to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: go out there and focus on what I can control.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 17: Do you think you deserve to be the starter? Since
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 17: you haven't heard yet, do you think you deserve to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 17: be the starter?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing, like I said, it's focusing
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: on how do I get better? Right? What are the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: issues here? What have I done in the games that
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: hasn't put in in a great spot? And how can
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: I do better? And that's what you focus on, right.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: You have to get back to one play at a time,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: focusing on what's your job? You know, how can you
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: do it really well to help the team. And I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: think that's for everybody. And of course I'm going to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: try and be the same guy and be me and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: bring guys along with me. So that's very important and
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: I know that I can do it, and I just
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: have to go out there and bring the guys with me.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 17: There was a report last week from the NFL Network
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 17: pregame actually about last week that Bailey z Appy got
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 17: increased reps during the week. Were your reps affected in
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 17: practice in any way last week?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: Every week's different. I think the biggest thing for me
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: is take advantage of what you can and what you have.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, I've gotten a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: lot of practice reps with a lot of these guys
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: and feel really comfortable with different guys, and we just
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: had to continue to work, whether it's the walkthroughs, practice,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: extra meetings, all that stuff. So we've been doing that.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: Just like I said, we didn't have the answers for
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: the test here, and we just got to find ways
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: to put a better product out there.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 18: Mac, looking at some of the stats from yesterday, your
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 18: time to throw right now about two point six seconds
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 18: on average from yesterday. How are you feeling about your
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 18: ability to process and get the ball to who you
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 18: need to be hind the offensive line right now?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I said, we're just trying to figure out, hey,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: what's the root cause some of this stuff and how
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: can we put more points up? And really it it
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: starts with running the ball, and we can do it.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: And we have a good offensive line. They're fighting up there,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: doing a good job. It's just we got to establish
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: the run and all that stuff. But yeah, it's got
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: to improve. From my standpoint, how can I get the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: ball to the open guy. That's what I'm going to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: focus on, and we got to look at it on
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: tape and figure out wys that we can do better.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Mac.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: There was a report yesterday from Henry McKenna at Fox Sports,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: and it was not a quote from you, but it's
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: got a source close to you. I had a quote about,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: no matter how good of a cook you are, you
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: cannot make garbage taste good. Again, this wasn't something that
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: was attributed to you, but I wanted to give you
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: a chance to sort of respond to that since people
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: are going to sort of talk about it a lot
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: here and it's been something that your name is attached to.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't see that. I'll do social media, but yeah,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: I try to stay off and eliminate the noise, and
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: I disagree with that. I think we have a really
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: talented group of guys that I've been fortunate to work
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: with this whole lost season and through the season. Some
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: guys for three or four years, and I've been been
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: a part of a great organization. So I definitely disagree
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: with that, and I didn't hear that or see that.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: Like I said, I'd never try to focus on the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: outside noise.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 17: I know you're frustrated and the team's frustrated. What about
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 17: people in your personal life? You know, family friends, like
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 17: are they are they frustrated with the situation.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: I've never come on here in the media and talked
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: about my personal life. So I think the biggest thing
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: is everyone's in this together, like I said, and we
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: have the right people to do it. It's it's football, right,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: That's that's what you want to do. You want to
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: bring your team together, and that's what I'm going to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: focus on in terms of my football life.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 18: I believe it was Hunter Henry yesterday who after the game,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 18: Max said that mood in the locker room just it
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 18: wasn't great. Understandably, two back to back tough losses. You
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 18: talk about turning the page and putting this behind you,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 18: is that becoming more challenging now? And who do you
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 18: guys look to in the locker room to try to
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 18: figure out where to start on just burying these two weeks.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: I think just learning from it, and it's always a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: learning experience whether you win or lose. And at the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: end of the day, you got to move forward. Like
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: I always say, every week, some new week, and you
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: know tomorrow we'll get more information on how we're going
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: to do it. And I believe it comes from everybody
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: that coaches players, and we all can do a better job,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: and it starts with the leaders of the team and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: you know, the captains and everybody. So we definitely have
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: a big challenge on our hands, and I'm going to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: take the positive route, like I said, the past couple
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: of weeks and trying ways to win football games.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you Mac about Bill O'Brien. I
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: saw you guys talking on the bench a couple of
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: times during the game yesterday. What we're sort of those
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 7: conversations Like, I know you're not going to tell us
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: exactly what you said, Well, what was kind of the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: tenor of those conversations and do you feel like there's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: still a good relationship there.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Obi has done a great job this year, just
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: trying to talk through some things on the sideline, and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: like I said, we just it was a rough day
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: on the farm and didn't really have a lot of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: answers for the test and that's something that we're trying
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: to improve and how can I do that better as
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: a quarterback. So we're definitely communicating and everybody's trying to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: work hard to work together.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 17: Did you agree with the decision to punt on fourth
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 17: and three down twenty four to nothing early in the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 17: third quarter.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't really comment on things things like that,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: I think, I mean, we shouldn't be in that position,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: so it's hard to say, right, you want to be
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: in a competitive game, so yeah, I won't. I don't
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: comment on those things.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 17: Do you like Do you like going for I mean,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 17: I'm sure you'd want the ball in your hands on
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 17: fourth down and the ability to go for it though, Right,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 17: I've heard a lot of quarterbacks say that.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: I think the big thing for any quarterback and the
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: included is we're all very competitive, right, But there's so
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 6: much that goes into the game management and things like that,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: and and that's really the head coaching job.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 19: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 19: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 19: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where
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  Speaker 3: Only and now great moments in.
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  Speaker 4: She had one where she was talking smack about Drew
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  Speaker 4: blood cell So thats.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, oh now it's on.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's it's definitely a thing.
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  Speaker 1: No, but all I saw, I mean I saw like
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Meghan had like one hundred screams, but they had just won. Like,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: what is she supposed to do? Not go to the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: library face face?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Just shuting Freud.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to I'm sorry, what was that work?
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  Speaker 2: Shading as I said, shoden Freud.
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  Speaker 1: He went over to he said in two different ways.
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  Speaker 4: Neither one of them was correct, shotting fucking all right,
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  Speaker 2: know a lot of them are saying the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: They want to change. So I'm not going to read
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: them all because they're all the same. But I'm you know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: but what change? They want to kill? Bill mac or Bill.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: But I'm not going to get into everyone because they're
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: all the same. And but I hear you, it's not
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: like I'm ignoring you. Yeah. So I just want to
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  Speaker 2: get that out there because there's a ton of them,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody, But let's get to the phones.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to Tim in Boston. What's up, Tim, Tim?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: In Boston.
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  Speaker 4: Yea hate Tim all right, Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 14: So I just feel like I got tricked into feeling
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 14: optimistic this offseason, and you know, now I get this
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 14: feeling of how could we be so stupid? Like of
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 14: course the online was going to be a disaster with
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 14: the group, like the receivers won't be enough, MAC can't
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 14: elevate them. Like, do you guys feel that, like in retrospect,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 14: was there ever anything to actually be optimistic about or
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 14: it should be a Stement's company.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: Well, I think in our defense last year was such
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: a terrible offensive, you know, offense period, like how it
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: was put together. I think we were all kind of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: blinded by just how inept it was, and we didn't
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: you know, and maybe that blinded us a little bit
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: to other issues that were also on the team. But
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: I think we were all kind of aware of what
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: was happening. I think we just all kind of assumed
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: that Bill O'Brien, we'll wave his wanted to make it better.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Listen, they were what eight to nine last year, right, Yeah,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: and the offense wasn't good, but we thought pretty much
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: the same cast the characters built. You know, Bill O'Brien
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: comes in, Yes, the schedule is going to be a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: little tougher, but we'd see an improvement in the offense.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't think going in this season that the record
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: would be that much better, you know. I thought, you know,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: maybe you could muster ten wins, But that was highly optimistic.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: I thought we'd be you know, nine and eight eight
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: nine again, but we'd see a better offense, something to
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: build on going forward. And we're not even seeing that.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: That's the problem, you know. So I was optimistic to
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: that degree, and I'm losing that optimism.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 11: I think the offensive line in particular, as much as
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 11: I have gotten on them about the Cold Strange pick,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 11: you're just thinking a vacuum Cold Strangers in year two
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 11: is going to be a better player Mike and went
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 11: who were just getting hurt and then really being ineffective.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 11: That's something that you didn't anticipate coming in. So for me,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 11: the offensive line play in general, and just how bad
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 11: it really has been. I figured they'd have to work
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 11: around a bad right tackle. We knew that coming into
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 11: the year. But I thought the other four spots would
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 11: be steady, would be solid. They have multiple spots that
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 11: are are falling apart. On the offensive line, and so
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 11: I think that that's like where, you know, other than
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 11: the Juju Jacobi thing, like that's like the biggest I
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 11: guess misstep.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My fear was that just by changing coordinators, I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: thought it would it would be better too. I mean,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: but that was really the only improvement they made. They
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: didn't really improve the personnel. And I worried about it
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: because in general, Mike Paul worries about everything.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Paul and I like.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: How you you brought up a few times where you said,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: you know, if you look at last year stats and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 9: this year's stats, people are going to be upset because
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: they're not much different.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: They're worse.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: They're getting worse games.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: But bottom, yeah, bottom.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks Thanks Tim. Let's go to Andre in Atlanta. What's up? Andre? Good?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: And uh, kind of you're a little muffled. Maybe you
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: want to change your angle?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 20: Yeah, listen. So I was listening to the podcast off
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 20: the Picts on Friday, and it was me and my
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 20: wife and she's a saint and so you know, we're
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 20: listening to it and everything and picked.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: And all that.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 20: Now, I was very optimistic. Now after the game we
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 20: brought the back home, I was pick and everything. Of
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 20: course she was happy and I said something to Way
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 20: and then she was all like, my ask taste and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 20: you know from from Fred, from how.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 9: You said, what was going on?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: His wife said, how does my ask?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm definitely on Andres and no that is I.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Don't know what happened.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Then his wife the phone to that story.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 11: I don't think that that was going in any in
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 11: any more directions.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: We need to go Christians in l a I And
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: he says, the line still sounds bad. What's up, Christian?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah, hey, guys, the line, Yeah, the line sounds really bad.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 10: I don't know if it's from my our side, on your.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Side, probably our side. Everything's bad right now. Yeah, but
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: go ahead make your point. Let's just do it.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, really quickly. From the fans perspective, I wanted
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 10: to say that I've been at the end of the team,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 10: a diehard banded team since nineteen seventy nine. It means
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 10: I've been through the bad times.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: I've also been going to make your point to the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: good time.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 10: You know a lot of us who are just fanned.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 10: We give our blood, sweats here and money to the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 10: team and to the whole program. And when the product
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 10: gets to a point where tanking would be an upgrade
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 10: for us. I believe mister Crap has a responsibility to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 10: the people that are just you know, we're not millionaires.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 10: We're just guys getting by, just trying to make it
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 10: through the week and the hope that having a good
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 10: team gives you. I know, you can make fun of it,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 10: but it's incalculable. Normal guys, When you get to a
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: point for tank it would be an upgrade. It feels
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 10: like we have to make a move.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: Yep, okay, thank you. The line was just really bad. Yeah,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: but yes, when you get to the point where you
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: think you have to tank, you're you're in the cellar.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: That's when teams make moves, you know, I get it.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: I mean it was, yeah, it was when they were
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: bad in the nineties. Though it was you never like
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: had a reason to get excited before that, so it
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: was just kind of like you just kind of accepted it.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what makes this a little bit.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, before I forget, put put a ticket into
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: help desk about these lines. That's ridiculous.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 11: It's a to me, it's just it's a quiet tank,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 11: Like you got a quiet tank I'm not telling them
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 11: to like go out there and not try, like nobody's
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 11: saying that, but adding to this team and like taking
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 11: resources away from the future to add to the team.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 11: I just don't really see where that gets you. And
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 11: I also just think if you are moving on from
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 11: Bill at the end of the year, it's probably a
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 11: more attractive job or the GM and the coach coming in.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 11: If you basically just have a clean slate, you know,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 11: clean books, your whole like lotman of draft picks and
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 11: you're just kind of starting over from scratch. That's definitely
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 11: easier to do than have to you know, work the
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 11: cap and do all the time.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: I mean we've mentioned that before though, you know with
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: with just there's a lot of turnover coming on the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: offensive line. No tight ends are under contract, you know,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: there's I mean you have basically one running back under
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: contract issue. So there's a lot of opportunity between the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: cap space the money you could you know theoretically have
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: to spend that. You know, someone could really come in
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: here and probably you know, put their stamp on.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Spiin Fresno writes in at web Radio at pictures
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: dot com. There are a lot of mysterious unanswered questions
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: in Patriots history, the Butler Benching, the Jimmy g situation,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Tom Bill, Robert dynamics, toward the end, Stork's wetness problem,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: what a journeyman is. And now it's clear we're gonna
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: be saddled with yet another mystery. Whether Ma's downfall was
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: a Mac thing or a Bill thing. The answer truly
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: is both. Even if you've generally tended to point at
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Mac as I have, you have to acknowledge that the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: situation has set him up to play this miserably. He's
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: gone the way of Derek Carr, and it's genuinely sad.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: I think he's probably meant that it's ridiculously unfair and
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: unsafe and stupid to put a middling Ish quarterback in
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: a middling ish situation together. They're less than the sum
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: of their parts. I fart and Bill's general direction, I
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: just I don't know. That's a Monty Python thing.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: Very interesting.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a quote from Monty pith yea.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: Anyway, it's it's it's tough when you look at through
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: perspective too, that like a lot of their you know,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: receivers and weapons are kind of cast off from other
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: teams like Parker Miami's willing to trade him in the division,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: Kasicki couldn't find a role. You know, Juju was almost
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: out of the league. You know, bourn was like the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: fourth option in San Francisco. You know, they're just there's nothing,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: There's nobody out there that they really are kind of
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: teams clamoring for them or you know.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 9: It's everybody's leftovers like piled.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: On one team, except for you know, the guys you
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: drafted like Remandre that you know you thought were good
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: and you know, just haven't really been able to get
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: going there.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 11: I just feel like the overall like talent evaluation of
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 11: the skill players, specifically on offense. You did take a
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 11: receiver in the second round last year, and maybe Taekwon
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 11: Thornton is going to come back and he's going to
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 11: be a better player than he was as a rookie.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 11: But it didn't look so hot as a rookie. Granted
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 11: in an offense that we all agree was a mess,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 11: but you could have had a lot of good receivers
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 11: last year in the draft that would have been better
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 11: players than him. You can talk about like evaluating Juju,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 11: evaluating Gasiki, like those guys on a pro level, Like
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 11: did you really think that those guys were going to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 11: move the needle? Like I don't think all of us
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 11: felt the same of like, Okay, well it's kind of
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 11: the same talent level and there's really still no number one.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 11: There's really no game changer or coverage tilter in this
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 11: offense still, and that's basically what it's been. And I
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 11: just I wonder is that fixable? Like is it fixable
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 11: to improve the evaluation of offensive talent?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's fixable if the person in charge
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 9: is willing to listen to the people who scout these
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 9: people like I'm wondering, like Mac Grolan, then.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 11: So you think Mac, But like you like who was TI,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 11: Like Taekwon Thornton was not a bill pick I like
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 11: Taekwon Thornton is one hundred and seventy five pounds soaking wet,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 11: like the priorities for the Patriots in the passing game.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 11: Julian Edelman was on with Colin Coward yesterday and he said,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 11: get open, catch the ball, and run block so he
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 11: doesn't check probably one of their biggest boxes.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 9: I'm still concerned that I don't think it's the scouting department.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 9: I think it's Bill.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 11: I just I don't see Bill. I don't see like
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 11: nikkil Harry, I could see that being all Bill Taekwon Thornton.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 11: I don't see how his profile like projects to what Bill.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: When Macro says, if you want a faster team, draft
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: fast players, you know, and that's what.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: They did, they did.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 9: If that's the case, then if it was a mistake
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 9: on the scouting team, then you might need to start
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 9: fresh there too.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: When you well, I don't think there's any question you
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: said it, but at it. But the part with Bill like,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: to me, it's less about the evaluation is it is
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: how he wants to play. And I have that stuck
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: in my head and until someone proves it differently, I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: think he wants to play seventeen thirteen games, leaning on
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: defense and special teams and running the ball and not Yeah,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think he respects the way the game is
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: played now. I don't think he thinks that's real football. Yeah,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to win that way.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: You've heard, you've heard railing against the win, railing against
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: the forward pass.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Not so much the forward passes that the Madden like,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: but seven like, you know, like why like you got
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: because he was on an few.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 9: Tour, but would you be excited about where the NFL
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: is right now? Like Jalen Hurts is fun to watch.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 9: Mahomes is fun to watch these dual their quarterbacks are
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 9: so fun.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: They're also immensely fun to watch.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: Is San Francisco? I mean, I just like enjoy watching
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: San Francisco because it's so those.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Two linebackers scare me.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: They're awesome. I mean, and they just create to the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: top of the five weapons where it's like we you
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: can do so much? Did you cover everybody else in
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: ok out there? But it's it doesn't have to be
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: like a big you know, it's not just one guy.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: It's like they just the way they've built their team,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's they're the model franchise right now. And
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I was laughing at the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: other right though, I was singing there going, oh man,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Kyle Shannon's Lucky Brock party came around, so we can
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: make Kyle Shanahan.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: And I love I love that they're getting Deebo back
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: into the running game a little bit. I love that
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: so many problems.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 9: To deal with it's insane to think, like, hey, they
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 9: almost had mac Jones. But I'm wondering if Mac Jones
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 9: in that same spot would look the same.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: As Brock Perdy.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think so.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be close.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: I think he'd be better, but not as good. I
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: think Purdy might be a diamond in the rough. I think.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at his record, it's undeniable. But I
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: think long term we could be talking about a Hall
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: of Famer.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: But how much.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 11: Really the problem is, like their stats offensively are the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 11: same as they were with Jimmy G.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: But what does he do wrong?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Because it doesn't seem like this was the kind of
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: offense they had and Jimmy G was winning out the game.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean they're like in terms of like efficiency,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 11: it's like marginally better with with Brock perty.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I don't see it now.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I'll also say that Jimmy didn't have McCaffrey, right, you know,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: But like it seems to me like they just score
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: the first three times they have the ball every game, yep. Yeah,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: and he never turns it over. Never, Jimmy always turned
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: it over, like even at his.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Best, like he is mister efficiency, Like, but you're telling
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: me he isn't.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 11: No, I'm telling you he's one of the most efficient
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 11: quarterbacks in the league. And so is Jimmy in that offense.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 11: And that's just the like the offense is incredible, like
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 11: they they not you know, every single button, a box
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 11: to check, like offensive line receivers, scheme, like they they
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 11: have it all. They have literally everything that you could
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 11: possibly want. They have so many good receivers that they
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 11: can't even get them all in the field.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: But for a guy to just come in the league
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: like he did, I mean, you know, Jimmy had three
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: four years to just watch. He just came in and
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: just started from the get go. I don't know, he
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: might have that special thing.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: Such an interesting contrast after spending you know, so many
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: arguments of Bill and Tom and who got the credit
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: and all that, and you know, and you have to
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: respect what Perty's doing, but it also just illustrates like
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: when you have a right quarterback but he's really surrounded
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: with talent that we don't even know how good Rock
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: Perty really is just because everybody.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Around him so good, and we don't know how good
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: Mac could be We honestly don't. We honestly don't in
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: all fairness, I on my Twitter feed, now.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like I know you did.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 9: It's like, if Mac had, you know, his same offensive
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 9: black Alabama, he had DeVante Smith, he had at least
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 9: half of the talent that was with him at Alabama,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 9: you could be good.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: And that's just saying to himself to like, I just
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: that's defense, because I'm not convinced that if he had
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: all of that he'd be great, because I think part
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: of it is the defense, and they have played good
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: defenses in the early going.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: That's one thing that I'll give Mac. I mean, Dallas
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: is good defensively. New Lean's is good defensively. The Jets
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: are not only good defensively, they know you inside and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: out because they've played you so many times. Like they've
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: played against good defenses too.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 11: I don't know if Mac would be this elite, top
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 11: five MVP caliber quarterback with all the things improved, But
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 11: they didn't even try to improve it for them, Like
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 11: they didn't even try to follow the book. And the
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 11: book is like so clear it's every single young quarterback
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 11: they're following the same script in this league, and all
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 11: those guys are playing well for the most part, following
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 11: the same script. Like you draft the quarterback and then
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 11: you throw every single you know, big time resource that
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 11: you have at the talent around them on the offense,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 11: and every single quarterback that's had that luxury to hurts
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 11: Josh Allen, Like, you can just go down the list
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 11: of guys that when they load up on offense around
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 11: the quarterback, it has benefited all those guys, and they
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 11: just haven't that they've completely neglected it.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Just why I include the part of Brock Purty that
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: I played against his father in college.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: Oh really, mister Purty?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, sewn Sean Perty, that's pretty cool.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: To strike him out, you sit him down.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: No, he pitched for Miami against US.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: Take him, take him a long.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: No, we lost.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Tyler in Providence. Belichick is a legend in the league
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: and the best coach of all time, but it's starting
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: to feel like he is quiet quitting the position as
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: head coach. His replacement planned for Brady was a washed
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Cam Newton. His drafting since then included a mediocre guard
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: in the first round from a lower tier school, a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: second rounder with less meat in his bones than a
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: lobster role in Multiple Kickers. He even traded down when
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez was on the board, but had to take
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: him so it wasn't too obvious what he was doing.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: The team also was coming out flat each week and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem prepared to play. Obviously, this is a joke
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: and all great things come to an end. Eventually, the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: team really isn't good this year, and hopefully Belichick receives
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: the respect he deserves as he retires at the end
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: of the season. Also is the most important part of
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: the email, when Fred finally goes downhill and loses his fastball.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: Is there a succession plan in place for PU? I
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: just don't want the show to be caught with its
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: pants down and big hit coming back as our cam new.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: Imagine like what the PU version of Juju would be, like, Oh,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: we got this thing, we got this new guy. We're
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: swapping out Deuce, but we were upgrading.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure on the PU version of got no Burst,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: nothing I did.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 11: I know the emailer was like tongue in cheek about
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 11: the quiet quitting thing, but I know your shows are
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 11: big on this. Paul, Like is he is he putting
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 11: as much effort into it as he used to like
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 11: and I like wouldn't blame him for it, right, Like
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 11: he's seventy years old, But.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: Is he is it?
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 11: Like is he on the the stuff that he used
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 11: to be on? Is he in here all day and
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 11: all night grinding film in Like.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: No, I got to give credit to front of the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: show Boston Cream who coined belichicked out, which that was
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: kind of funny.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know the answer to that, but
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: you know, anecdotally, you look at the days off and
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: stuff during like you know, look, we don't need all
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: the ota s. Well, you know we're gonna have a
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: day off. I think some of it is is CBA
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: related that we still don't really understand all the different
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: minutia that that's involved with that. But that's what people
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: point to when they say he's not as invested as
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: he once will.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: I think that's baloney. Okay, Alexon Conquered just want to say,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: long time listen to the show. I'm so I'm sad
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: to hear the optimism out of Fred, who has always
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: been so high on the Patriots, no matter what I
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: think he means.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: The lack of operation.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Right. However, I found something to be happy about this weekend.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: During the game. It was about halfway through the third
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: quarter when I decided to leave and go grocery shopping
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: with my spouse. I found the Holy Grail soap with
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: a slot. I couldn't believe my eyes. A whole section
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: of different soaps and scents dedicated to saving soap. The
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: soap of the slot was conveniently located next to the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: dog saliva handwife for when your fingers get covered in
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: buffalo sauce. So there you go, what is happening?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: Oh man, December, we're gonna be like knee deep and
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: soap with a slot in December when it's getting bleaked.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: I got a feeling though, we're gonna have a lot
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: of things to talk about.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 11: It's hard to even like, like, you know, I joked
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 11: in the meeting earlier about Caleb Williams, but like it's
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 11: hard to even like do that path because I'm just
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 11: who's that Who's gonna be in charge here next year?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: Right? And like if it's.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 11: Bill again, are they just gonna like I don't even
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 11: know if they're going to take the quarterback in the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 11: top five. Like, I don't know if they're gonna take
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 11: any any of these guys that I think are all
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 11: all have like individual talents, like Drake May I think
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 11: is an interesting prospect. Penix, I think is an interesting prospect.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 11: But is that even what they're gonna do or are
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 11: they gonna draft some left tackle we've never heard of.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Like you're willing to go Pennicks lefty.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: I can't do lefties.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 11: I've already I've already left I've already put that out
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 11: there that like a bad way just can't adjust the lefties.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 11: But but Penix is a gamer. I mean, that guy's
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 11: got to keep.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: He's also been in college like twelve years, but he's good.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 9: That would be painful if they decided to keep Mac
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 9: Jones and draft a left tackle that I have to
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 9: google Google your.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: School, well the google your school thing, Yes, But I mean,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: I just you can't replace the whole team next season.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: And that's why unless you could maybe get one of
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: those top two quarterbacks, I do wonder if it's better
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: spent on a left tackle of the future and you know,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: and finally maybe put some pieces around Mac for his
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: last year or two.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 11: They're gonna if it's Bill running the ship, they they're
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 11: definitely gonna trade down if they have a pick that's
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 11: that valuable at the top of the draft, they'll trade
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 11: down and to get you know, seventeen picks out of it,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 11: and then they'll take some left tackle or something like
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 11: that like that. That's so that's why, like, I'm not
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 11: gonna go here and be like Kayleb Williams.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: Drake may like which one.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 11: Because we're not there yet really five weeks into the season,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 11: but be I just don't even know that's the path
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 11: that they're.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Like what I've seen from Will Greer, Fred Oh my gosh,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Steve in Nelson News. A question that needs to be
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: asked of our goat of a head coach and for
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: it to have the right impact, we need a sacrificial lamb. Now.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: It can't be the ladies Alex or Tamara because Bill
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: is too much of an old school gent would never
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: get mad at a lady. It can't be Evan because
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: he's the next OC and Bill respects his football IQ.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: It can't be Paul because we all know Bill has
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: a man crush on Paul. So it has to be
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: the babyface King of sneaky snark Mike. The question that
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: Mike has to pose to Bill, and please don't let
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: him off the hook, is Bill, in what ways do
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: you feel football has changed in the last twenty years
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: from an offensive point of view? Now, if delivered in
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: the right tone, our goat head coach will of course
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: read the undercurrent to the question, and Wat's lyrically about
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: how football should be played and that pounding the balls
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: the way forward. Just do your job, Mike and ask
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: that question.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm just kind of focused on the Raiders. Yeah,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: and there it is.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: At first.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Kyle, he used to be in Korea South, but I'm
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: not sure if he's still there for anyway North now, Yeah,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: he doesn't say, maybe he moved back. I know it's
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: still early in the season and also still early in
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Max's career, but I'll ask anyway. This one is for
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: the grizzled Vets. Fred and Paul Fred ranked the Patriots
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks in your lifetime, and stop when you get
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: to Max Jones and Paul ranked the worst Patriots team ever,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: and stop when you get to this one.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, this one's not even close. Yeah, I mean I
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: might change that at the end right end of the Yeah.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: But like the Rod rush year, to me, is can
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: I eliminate all the sixties and early seventies that I
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: was never I shouldn't, but I don't know. I started
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: basically in seventy six and they went eleven and three,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: so I was like you, I started watching the team.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: But the Rod Russ year was what nineteen ninety at
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: one and fifteen they had a coach mack here that
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: they went two and fourteen. Those would be my two
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: that I would start with.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: I want no talent.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: I mean two thousand. Belichick's two thousand team had no talent, and.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Then ranked the quarterbacks. I'm usually it's Brady and then
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: bled Cell that's one and two, no doubt about that.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Then I would probably go Grogan.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, well, Grogan had his stint. But like if you
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: just think about it, was Easton a better QB?
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, No, I think you could
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: probably make an argument for it, but I wouldn't. I
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: would say Grogan was better. Some people think Grogan was
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: better than Bledsoe, which just wow, come on, you know
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: some people like interceptions. I don't know what to tell you.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, it was a lot of excitement in that Mac
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: Jones or Tony Easton Mac.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Jones or Tony Tony Easton.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we haven't got to Mac yet. You're putting
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Grogan over Mac. Yes, okay, so Mac Castle, Mac Castle
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: over Mac.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: Run.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: It's only one year though, Cameron Newton, Cam Newton.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Would be over cam Newton.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Okay but not Yeah, as a patriot from friend, as
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: your patriot, you're right?
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: What about do you have?
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: What about in the in the few starts that he
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: had Scott Zolac in Mac.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Did Zoe play more games than just like those?
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: How many games did he start?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: I think it was just like I think.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: I got Zo like Zo b San Francisco.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: It was a big win for Pete Carroll. I remember
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: that week. It was a huge We did the pf
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: W cover with the Z. Tell them yeah, yeah, so
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: you know Zoro would leave his mark with the Z
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: with his sword.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: Seven starts, so he doesn't.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I was checking the seven starts. What was
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: his record?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: Starts for games? He threw eight touchdowns and seven interceptions,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: doesn't say his record here.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Let's shoot QB. Okay, you didn't go on Pro Football.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: I'm there now, thank you very much.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Three and four.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Who was the original quarterback for the Patriots? What's his name?
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: Perill or Mac? I have no idea, but Sonkin was
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: actually year one. I don't know. I never saw those, babe, Perilly.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: I'm taking.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean it's hard max like six, maybe
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: number six as of right now.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: I wish a real shot at it.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jim Plunkett. I forgot about Jim Plunkett.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: That's old, old career, Jim.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, free got drafted here.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Remember we traded him for a boatload of picks.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Jim Plunkett would be the guy that you want to
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: point to if you're Mac Jones supporter, because Jim Plunkett
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: was drafted number one overall, came in, had no protection,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: the team was awful, ran around for his life, got killed,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: and everybody said bust he stinks, right, and then he
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: went to the Raiders and won two Super.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 9: Bowl What are the that he finds a new home.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Can plunk it? That's a good question, Like what is
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: what is his future in the NFL? If the Patriots
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: jettison him. I think somebody else sign him, not as
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: their starter, and it'll be up to him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacoby Brissette. What would you how would your stack
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: him up against? I mean, I know jacobyt was your
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: briefly better. He's gone better than.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: Better than Jacoby Brissett. But like Baker Mayfield, Like where
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: someone who gets stuck when the music stops and they
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: don't have a chair, Yeah, Baker Mayfield and look what's
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: happening he I mean, I don't think he's good for
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: Baker too. I don't think he's played great, played well.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I just wish that they had given Mac a
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 11: fair chance. Like maybe we ended up at this at
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 11: this spot regardless, but like if they had really done
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 11: it the right way and not saddled him with Patricia
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 11: and not neglected the offense from a supporting cast standpoint,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 11: and had done the Miami plan, I had done the
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 11: Philly plan, like it just had done it the right way,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 11: Like what would it have looked like. I'm not saying
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 11: it would have looked better. I'm not saying any like,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 11: I'm not judging that. I'm just saying that from a
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 11: fan's perspective. I just I wish we had seen that
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 11: version of this movie, because then it would.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 9: Have been just like up to him and there would
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 9: have been no excuses to be like.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, there was a great argument with General Olofski and
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Rex Ryan yesterday about that. You know, Orlowski said, you
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: don't think that if if you just if you put
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: mac Jones in for Brock party, it will look exactly
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: the same. And I thought Rex Ryan was going to
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: fall off his chair. Right, It's like, are you serious?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: And they were like that now and Rex Ryan goes correct,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: when he was a rookie, he said he was a piece.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: He had a peace shooter for an arm when he
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: was a rookie. And they're like, yeah, you know, you're right,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: you did say that. You did say that, Yeah, Mike,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: And Duval says Fred, I respect your football knowledge, you're
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: with your insight, but from working in the organization for
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: as long as you have, you really are an ascid
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: But please recuse yourself from the following question. I think
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: you're too close to the forest to see from through
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: the trees everyone else. You don't know from the trees
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: everyone else. Is it fair to say that Bill is
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: perhaps one of, if not the greatest defensive mind slash
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: defensive coach in the league has ever seen, But maybe
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: just maybe the notion that he is the goat coach?
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Is a bridge too far. When he and Tom were together,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: they were considered the greatest to ever do it at
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: their respective positions. When Tom left, his greatness was still
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: very much on display. It has been four years since then,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: has bills? If the answer is no, If he is
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: really the goat coach, shouldn't there have been at least
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: a monicum of his greatness as a head coach without
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: the other goat? Sure, so shouldn't there You know, I
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: get what he's saying.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: You get what he's saying, But I just also think,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: like why does the last five years have to be
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: a reflection on the previous thirty years? You know, like
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: is it possible that some bad decisions were made? And
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: you know this isn't you know? All along he's been
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: actually just a terrible coach and you know he just
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: like and I also just like why do we have
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: to rank coaches? Like how what what's your greatest coach
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: of all time? Like what what makes a great coach?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know, It's it's like a really nebulous thing.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: And I don't ever really care about like who the
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: greatest coaches? Well, I think they're all good I think
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: he's a really good coach. He's a Hall of.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Famer with you on this part of like who cares
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: nostics list them wherever you want to list him.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know what difference it makes.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: You know, guys supposed to be young and hip. That's
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: what he's supposed to do on the internet.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Make a list, do list on your own time.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's it's fun with players because
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: you have stats and you have games and you know,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: but it's like no one knows for sure what a
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: coach does. Like you're just kind of a bout. You're
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: kind of there standing on the sidelines as your teams
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: do well or don't do well, and then you infer
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: how much impact they did or did not happen.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: I used to say to Fred all the time, like
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: why you know people would get upset, like when the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: various scandals would come up. You know, like, well, this
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: is gonna spoil the legacy, But why would you care?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it's a good thing as a
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Patriots fan to have those, but I'm saying, if you
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: think Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: and someone else doesn't, why would that bother you like significantly,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: like where you're sort of losing sleep.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: Over right, like you demand that Kansas City Chiefs fans acknowledged.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: It, right, coach.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: And at the same time, if someone tells you, I
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: think Andy Reid is better because I feel like he's
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: had more success with various quarterbacks than Bill, why would
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: that ball them? Like you think Bill Belichick is the
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: greatest coach? Have some like strengthen your conviction and just
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: go I.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: Do wonder with some of these people though, that have
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: seemingly so much like angst and anger towards Bill Belichick,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: Like will they be supportive of him when like things
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: are nice, things are done for him, like in retirement,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: and they do you know they like you know what
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, Like all of a sudden, these people that
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: you know are just like cannot stop being mad at
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick for everything that he's done to their football team,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: Like well, they they'll all of a sudden be out
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: there that's one of the famous.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Like great, it was amazing even though for five years
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: going to get a different You're gonna get a different Bill.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you'll get you get the top one hundred.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: When they're putting a statue of Bill in the plaza.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: He's going to come with a big smile on his
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: face and he's going to thank the fans for all
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: the support. Like, you know, remember the last game at
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: fox Spore Stadium, Freddy, Yeah, you know, Bill was like
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: it was like he was hosting a party. Oh yeah,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: they was high five of people. It was a whole
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: different Belichick.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 11: And that's in the back speaking as somebody that is like,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 11: thanks for all you've done, you know, goodbye. I'll see
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 11: you at the Hall of Fame ceremony and I'll be
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 11: there to to thank you for everything.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: That you did.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 11: You know, like it is not it's nothing to do
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 11: with the past. Like it's not like bitter.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: That's why I like listening more to players talk about
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: what makes him a good coach then you know, just
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: our outside perspective of well he won that game and
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: this team was bad, you.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Know, like, and I do listen to you know, I
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: think some of it is hyperbole, but I do listen
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: to when players say, you know, I was on three
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: different teams and nowhere was the level of preparation or
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: attention to detail ever, or how he taught approaching what they.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: Did I'll never get when he first came here as
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: a defensive guy under ourselves and lawyer Molloy during training
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: camp said, this guy's a genius. He makes it so
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: easy to understand the defense. He makes it so easy
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: and I'll never forget that, you know. And since then
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: you've heard guys say he's an amazing teacher. You don't
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: see that part, and that's too bad, you know, I
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: would love to. We've asked to mike him up during
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: practice and everything like that, and you know, we never
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: get it. But it would be so great for fans
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: to see how he teaches the game in the moment
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: on the field, the little things that he you know,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: we see him talking to guys, well we don't know
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: what he's sayings.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: And that's stuff as a fan I ate up is
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: just listening listening to him talk to players on the
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: field or standing in front of them, you know, without
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: the kind of the whatever you want governor he puts
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: on when he's talking to the press because he doesn't
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: want to say anything that's going to set off anything,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: you know that. I mean, that's the stuff that really
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: shows you what kind of coach he is not. Just
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: they went six and twelve this year and bubble, you know,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: like running down the stats and how the teams did.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, it's of course, it's part of it,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: and that's how everybody's judged. But there's so much more
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: that goes into coaching that's interesting to me that we
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: never see and that we you know.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: Judge it.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: But like, at the end of the day, he's the coach.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: The players have to go on the field and do
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: the thing. So like, let's not lose.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: That for what it is for certain guys. I think
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick is the perfect coach, like your guy Rodney Harrison,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Like that was the perfect marriage for those two. Like
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: Rodney was no nonsense, We're here to work, you know,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: it's just us, no one's coming, you know, that type
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: of thing, and you know, and Bill's a city you know,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: Bill was no nonsense and it's all about football, and
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: they were a perfect match and the other guys like that.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: You know, I do wonder a part of that's generation
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: all though, too, Like I just about it all the time,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: is they're like how many real killers And I don't
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: mean to say this like killers killers, but like how
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: many of those real tough as nails NFL players are
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: there now like like that from the early two thousands
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: when you went to every team and there's a Ray
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: Lewis or you know, those kind of guys that are
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: just absolute animals on the football field, and it's just
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: it just doesn't seem as much different.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 11: Like, yeah, I also just think, like you know, all
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 11: these offensive players, like they don't want to play the formula,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 11: like they don't want to play let's run the ball
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 11: and let's possess it and let's not turn it over
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 11: and let's like when yeah, right now, all these players
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 11: come from the college game is wide open, like they
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 11: just want to light up the scoreboard. That's all they
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 11: want to do. And if you're not, if you're being
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 11: told over and over and over again, no, we're going
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 11: to do things like this way and that, like and
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 11: you know that it's conservative and you know that it's
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 11: not gonna score thirty points a game that that you
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 11: kind of lose touch with that, right, Like the players
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 11: don't buy in.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: And the only thing that appeases them if you're doing
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: when that is if you're winning championships. Well at least
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: I'm getting rings every year, you know, But when you're
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: not it's that's a tough sell. Let's get through some
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: of these phone calls as we wrap up the show.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 21: Hello, ladies, Hey Deuce.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 9: Evan.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 21: Love what you're saying, Evan, But Deuce, it ain't the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 21: coaching part. It's the Dean excuse me, the GM part
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 21: just killing us, you know, lack of talent and the persons.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 21: If I keep saying we're not there. There been a
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 21: lot of people there that we could have got. You
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 21: never got. Just think instead of getting Harry, you got
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 21: a J. Brown or D. K. Brady probably been here
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 21: for the last three years and then whatever. But that's that,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 21: you know, you got strange. You could have got ob
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 21: Lake Watson or whoever. It is just the pit. You
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 21: keep picking the same guy. And it's the talent level.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 21: Cause when you played, when you played some guy that
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 21: you supposed to get and they run over you, that's
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 21: a slap in the face too. And that's how we
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 21: look at you know, we want the team competitive. We
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 21: don't care. I don't care if they lose. Thirty to
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 21: twenty five or thirty to eighteen. Is how you look
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 21: when you're playing.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the point.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 21: Yeah, you know that's what we have a problem with.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 21: Where I am. I don't know about nobody ill, but
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 21: I am.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: No, I hear you. It's you know what what what
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: does it look like? You know, watch the game? Like yeah, yeah,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 21: The butt joke, the baby joke. I used to be
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 21: give them the butt joke, but then I'm the.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: Butt Joey I have.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 21: But we're the tune up joke. We're the tune up games.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where they get right team? Yeah, that's the new
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: T shirt. Get right with the Patriots?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 11: I said after that, I thought of you when they
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 11: interviewed Derek Carr after the game and they're like, Derek,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 11: like you guys finally scored like a little bit on office,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 11: Like what went right to them? I'm like, friends, right,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 11: where the freaking get right game?
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: Like you know the Saints even got right works?
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Did you hear the answer? No, I'm not sure we
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: should be overully excited about what we did today. We
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: left a lot of points on the field. We had
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: a ton of mistakes that they did. They had how
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: many miss we stopped counting at like eleven penalties? Right, Yeah,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: I mean they It's like every time they had a
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: third and three they turned it into a third and seven,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: you know whatever. Third and eight math always tough for me.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: To me, it was Dennis Allen just being like, Wow,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: it's been a long time since we played this well
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: in all three three phases.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Ken's in Providence? What's up? Ken?
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 15: Ken?
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: What twelve penalties?
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: Probably for the sense, but uh, okay.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 15: My basic question is if you guys were the GM
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 15: and you have the top ten pick and you're the
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 15: Patriots and we're not going with Bill next year, what
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 15: are we doing? Are we taking a tackle? Are we
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 15: taking a quarterback?
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing whatever I can to get a quarter Yeah, whoever,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: I like, I'm doing whatever I can to get them.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting wherever I am and hoping that
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: one falls to me. I'm going to get the quarterback
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: that I want. I'm going to move and if I
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: can't do it, I can't do it, but I'm going
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: to die try it.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: His name is Drake. May know the name.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: So you like him more than Caleb Williams.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: No, but Caleb Williams is one okay? Yeah?
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: Right? But if like it's Carolina and they're not going
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: to take him, They're going to trade it.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: So I want to BELA doesn't have their pick the
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: Bears have.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: Is that right?
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: The Bears have their pack, that's right.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the Bears drafting a quarterback.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: The Bears could draft a quarterback. Carolina wouldn't, but I
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: forgot about that.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know in general, that's right.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 11: You're if the Bears are either going to take Caleb
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 11: Williams or they're going to sell that pick for an
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 11: absolute boatload.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: And I want it to be me. Okay, I want May.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 11: If it's not Caleb Williams, I want it to be May.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: I like Drake May too, but I'm not like one
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: more call it.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Dan and Daytona. What's Up's online?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: Damn it?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Okay? Sorry Dan? I know, but this is this is
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: Radio America during World War two. The Allies have acrossed
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: the border and there I.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 9: Think that the previous person was trying to tell you
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 9: his name was Tim, not Ken.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: My name is Tim can in Providence. Yeah, it's clearly
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: said Canon Providence.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 9: But he was saying, compete their names back to them.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: So do you understand what island?
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Rhode Island has a funny accents. It's you ever
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: notice that a lot of people in Rhode Island kind
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: of have a New York accent. A little bit New
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