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161: Cleveland CryBabies - MLB · Sports History Network

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This
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podcast
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is
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part
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of
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the
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Sports
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Network,
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your
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yesteryear
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of
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more@sportshistorynetwork.com
1:07
Ozzy
1:07
Vitt
1:08
was
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a
1:08
terrific
1:09
manager
1:09
for
1:09
the
1:09
Cleveland
1:10
Indians
1:10
in
1:11
1938,
1:12
39
1:13
and
1:13
1940.
1:15
He
1:15
also
1:15
spent
1:16
15
1:16
seasons
1:17
in
1:17
the
1:17
minor
1:18
leagues
1:18
as
1:18
a
1:19
manager
1:19
and
1:19
one
1:20
of
1:20
those
1:20
seasons,
1:20
1937
1:22
with
1:23
Newark
1:23
in
1:24
in
1:24
the
1:24
International
1:25
League,
1:25
he
1:26
and
1:26
the
1:26
Bears
1:27
steamrolled
1:28
everyone,
1:29
winning
1:29
109
1:30
games
1:31
and
1:31
losing
1:32
just.43
1:33
for
1:34
a
1:34
winning
1:35
percentage
1:35
of.717.
1:38
The
1:38
Indians,
1:39
looking
1:39
to
1:39
overtake
1:40
teams
1:40
like
1:41
the
1:41
Tigers
1:41
and
1:42
Yankees,
1:43
brought
1:43
in
1:43
Vit,
1:44
hoping
1:44
he
1:44
could
1:45
help
1:45
the
1:45
Tribe
1:46
rise
1:47
to
1:47
the
1:47
top
1:48
of
1:48
the
1:48
American
1:48
League
1:49
standings.
1:51
Vit
1:51
worked
1:52
magic,
1:53
but
1:53
he
1:53
rubbed
1:53
some
1:54
of
1:54
the
1:54
players
1:54
the
1:55
wrong
1:55
way
1:56
and
1:56
there
1:56
was
1:57
a
1:57
revolt
1:57
that
1:57
led
1:58
the
1:58
team
1:58
to
1:58
being
1:58
labeled
1:59
as
2:00
the
2:00
Crybabies.
2:01
And
2:02
next
2:02
on
2:03
Sports
2:03
Forgotten
2:04
Heroes,
2:04
we'll
2:05
take
2:05
a
2:05
look
2:05
back
2:06
at
2:06
the
2:06
managing
2:07
career
2:07
of
2:07
Ossi
2:08
Vit
2:09
and
2:09
the
2:09
Cleveland
2:10
Crybabies.
2:12
This
2:12
is
2:13
Sports
2:13
Forgotten
2:14
Heroes,
2:14
a
2:15
tribute
2:15
to
2:15
the
2:15
stars
2:16
who
2:16
shaped
2:16
the
2:16
games
2:16
we
2:17
love
2:17
to
2:17
watch
2:17
and
2:18
the
2:18
games
2:18
we
2:18
love
2:19
to
2:19
play.
2:19
Stars
2:20
who
2:20
provided
2:20
us
2:20
with
2:21
many
2:21
thrills,
2:21
but
2:22
but
2:22
when
2:22
their
2:22
time
2:22
was
2:22
up,
2:23
they
2:23
faded
2:24
away.
2:24
We'll
2:25
take
2:25
a
2:25
look
2:25
back
2:25
at
2:25
their
2:26
spectacular
2:26
careers,
2:27
their
2:27
moments
2:27
of
2:28
fame,
2:28
even
2:28
if
2:28
it
2:29
was
2:29
just
2:29
for
2:29
one
2:29
season
2:30
or
2:30
just
2:30
one
2:31
game.
2:31
And
2:32
now
2:32
here's
2:32
your
2:32
host,
2:33
Warren
2:34
Rogan.
2:35
Hello
2:35
and
2:35
welcome
2:35
back
2:36
to
2:36
Sports
2:36
Forgotten
2:37
Heroes,
2:37
episode
2:38
161
2:40
Aussie
2:40
Vit
2:41
and
2:41
the
2:41
Cleveland
2:42
Crybabies.
2:43
A
2:44
few
2:44
notes
2:44
before
2:44
we
2:45
get
2:45
into
2:45
today's
2:46
show.
2:46
As
2:47
you
2:47
might
2:47
have
2:48
discovered,
2:48
I
2:48
have
2:49
altered
2:49
the
2:50
release
2:50
schedule
2:51
of
2:51
Sports
2:51
Forgotten
2:52
Heroes.
2:53
Moving
2:54
forward,
2:54
Sports
2:54
Forgotten
2:55
Heroes
2:56
will
2:56
be
2:56
on
2:56
hiatus
2:57
during
2:57
the
2:57
cold
2:58
winter
2:58
months
2:59
of
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December,
3:00
January,
3:01
February
3:02
and
3:02
March.
3:03
If
3:03
there
3:04
is
3:04
a
3:04
special
3:04
episode
3:05
that
3:05
needs
3:05
to
3:05
be
3:06
released
3:06
during
3:06
those
3:07
months,
3:07
I
3:07
will
3:08
certainly
3:09
work
3:09
on
3:09
that.
3:10
You
3:11
know,
3:11
it
3:11
takes
3:11
a
3:11
lot
3:12
to
3:12
research
3:13
and
3:13
produce
3:14
every
3:14
episode
3:15
of
3:15
Sports
3:15
Forgotten
3:16
Heroes
3:17
and
3:17
the
3:17
winter
3:18
months
3:19
give
3:19
me
3:19
that
3:19
time.
3:20
Plus,
3:21
it
3:21
also
3:21
allows
3:22
me
3:22
time
3:22
to
3:22
work
3:22
on
3:23
writing
3:23
books.
3:24
My
3:25
first
3:25
book
3:25
will
3:25
be
3:25
coming
3:26
out
3:26
later
3:26
this
3:27
summer,
3:27
College
3:28
All
3:28
Stars
3:28
vs
3:29
NFL
3:31
the
3:31
Chicago
3:32
Charities
3:32
Football
3:33
Games
3:34
1934-1976.
3:38
This
3:38
book
3:39
is
3:39
about
3:39
the
3:39
series
3:40
of
3:40
football
3:40
games
3:41
between
3:41
a
3:42
team
3:42
of
3:42
college
3:43
football
3:43
all
3:43
stars
3:44
and
3:45
the
3:45
the
3:45
defending
3:46
NFL
3:46
and
3:47
later
3:47
Super
3:48
bowl
3:48
champions.
3:49
Every
3:50
year
3:50
from
3:51
1934
3:52
through
3:52
1976,
3:55
this
3:55
game
3:55
was
3:56
played
3:56
in
3:56
Chicago
3:57
to
3:58
launch
3:58
the
3:58
exhibition
3:59
season.
4:00
Again,
4:01
that
4:01
book
4:02
will
4:02
be
4:03
available
4:03
starting
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in
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August
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and
4:05
you
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can
4:06
pre
4:06
order
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on
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Amazon
4:07
now.
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If
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you'd
4:08
like
4:08
a
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signed
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please
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send
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me
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an
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that's
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sports
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fh.infomail.com
4:20
we'll
4:21
work
4:21
out
4:21
the
4:21
details.
4:23
Also,
4:23
I'm
4:23
just
4:23
finishing
4:24
up
4:24
my
4:24
second
4:25
book
4:25
about
4:25
the
4:25
great
4:26
hockey
4:26
defenseman
4:27
Jim
4:28
Nielsen,
4:29
and
4:29
I'll
4:29
have
4:30
more
4:30
details
4:30
about
4:31
this
4:31
book
4:32
at
4:32
a
4:32
later
4:32
date.
4:34
As
4:34
always,
4:34
I
4:35
thank
4:35
you
4:35
all
4:36
for
4:36
your
4:36
support,
4:37
and
4:37
I'm
4:37
very
4:38
excited
4:38
to
4:38
bring
4:39
you
4:39
another
4:39
season
4:39
of
4:40
Sports
4:40
Forgotten
4:41
Heroes,
4:42
starting
4:42
with
4:42
this
4:43
episode
4:44
about
4:44
former
4:44
Cleveland
4:45
Indians
4:46
manager
4:46
Ossie
4:47
Vitt
4:47
and
4:48
team
4:49
which
4:49
was
4:50
known
4:50
as
4:51
the
4:51
Crybabies.
4:52
Joining
4:53
me
4:53
on
4:53
today's
4:54
episode
4:54
is
4:55
a
4:55
familiar
4:55
guest,
4:56
Gary
4:56
Webster,
4:57
who
4:57
has
4:57
a
4:58
new
4:58
book
4:58
out,
4:59
Cry
5:00
Baby
5:00
Rebellion.
5:02
As
5:02
always,
5:03
Gary's
5:03
research
5:04
is
5:04
impeccable
5:06
and
5:06
he
5:06
always
5:06
makes
5:07
for
5:07
a
5:08
great
5:08
guest.
5:09
So
5:09
without
5:10
further
5:10
ado,
5:11
let's
5:11
jump
5:12
into
5:12
today's
5:12
show
5:13
with
5:13
my
5:13
guest,
5:14
Gary
5:14
Webster.
5:17
Gary,
5:17
welcome
5:18
to
5:18
Sports
5:18
Forgotten
5:19
Heroes.
5:20
I
5:20
am
5:21
thrilled
5:22
that
5:22
we
5:22
are
5:23
finally
5:23
able
5:24
to
5:24
do
5:24
an
5:24
episode
5:25
face
5:26
to
5:26
face.
5:27
Yes,
5:27
the
5:28
wonders
5:28
of
5:29
modern
5:29
technology.
5:30
I.
5:30
I
5:30
finally
5:31
got
5:31
a
5:31
camera.
5:32
We
5:32
were
5:32
supposed
5:32
to
5:33
do
5:33
our
5:33
last
5:34
podcast
5:35
via
5:35
Zoom,
5:36
and
5:36
I
5:37
discovered
5:37
that
5:38
it
5:38
was
5:38
hard
5:38
to
5:38
do
5:38
a
5:39
Zoom
5:39
cast
5:40
without
5:40
a
5:40
camera,
5:41
so
5:41
I
5:41
invested
5:42
in
5:42
one.
5:43
And
5:43
now
5:43
here
5:43
we
5:44
are
5:44
talking
5:45
face
5:45
to
5:45
face.
5:46
Yeah.
5:47
Yeah.
5:47
And
5:47
it's,
5:48
as
5:49
always,
5:50
an
5:50
interesting
5:51
topic.
5:52
You
5:52
know,
5:52
you
5:53
are
5:54
certainly
5:55
a,
5:56
an
5:56
expert,
5:57
a
5:57
terrific
5:58
sports
5:58
historian
6:00
when
6:00
it
6:00
comes
6:01
to
6:02
Cleveland.
6:03
And,
6:04
you
6:04
know,
6:04
we've
6:05
done
6:05
quite
6:05
a
6:05
few
6:06
together.
6:06
And
6:06
you
6:07
contributed
6:07
to
6:08
the
6:08
book
6:08
that
6:08
I
6:08
have
6:09
coming
6:09
out
6:11
in
6:11
June
6:12
of
6:12
2026,
6:14
college
6:14
all
6:15
stars
6:15
versus
6:16
the
6:16
NFL
6:17
champions.
6:19
And
6:20
I
6:20
want
6:21
to
6:21
thank
6:21
you
6:21
for
6:21
contributing
6:22
to
6:23
that.
6:23
But
6:24
today
6:27
it's
6:27
quite
6:28
the
6:28
topic,
6:29
the
6:29
Cleveland
6:31
Crybabies.
6:32
And
6:33
no,
6:34
I
6:34
am
6:35
not
6:35
making
6:36
that
6:37
up.
6:37
No,
6:38
you
6:38
aren't.
6:40
To
6:40
be
6:40
called
6:41
the
6:41
Crybabies
6:42
is,
6:43
is
6:44
quite
6:44
something.
6:45
And
6:45
there
6:45
is
6:46
a,
6:47
a
6:47
cool
6:48
story
6:49
behind
6:49
that.
6:50
And
6:51
it
6:51
begins
6:52
with
6:52
a
6:52
guy
6:53
who
6:54
so
6:54
many
6:55
I'm
6:56
sure
6:56
don't
6:57
recall,
6:58
don't
6:58
know.
6:58
And
6:59
his
6:59
name
7:00
is
7:01
Ozzy
7:01
vi.
7:02
Who
7:02
was
7:03
Ozzy
7:04
Vit?
7:05
Ozzy
7:06
Vit
7:06
was
7:06
the
7:07
manager
7:07
of
7:08
the
7:08
1940
7:09
Cleveland
7:10
Indians.
7:11
He
7:11
had
7:11
been
7:12
a
7:12
major
7:12
league
7:12
player,
7:14
basically
7:15
a
7:15
bit
7:15
player,
7:16
a
7:16
bench
7:17
player
7:17
from
7:17
1912
7:19
until
7:19
1921.
7:21
Began
7:22
a
7:22
minor
7:22
league
7:22
managing
7:23
career
7:23
in
7:24
1925.
7:26
Most
7:26
of
7:26
that
7:27
time
7:27
was
7:28
spent
7:28
in
7:29
Hollywood,
7:29
California
7:30
with
7:30
the
7:30
Hollywood
7:31
Stars
7:31
of
7:32
the
7:32
Pacific
7:32
Coast
7:33
League.
7:34
Vitt
7:34
did
7:35
so
7:35
well
7:35
managing
7:36
the
7:36
Stars
7:37
that
7:37
by
7:38
the
7:38
mid-1930s,
7:40
he
7:40
had
7:40
been
7:40
hired
7:41
by
7:41
the
7:41
New
7:41
York
7:42
Yankees
7:42
to
7:43
manage
7:43
their
7:44
highest
7:45
minor
7:45
league
7:45
affiliate.
7:46
I'm
7:46
not
7:47
sure
7:47
if
7:47
I
7:47
would
7:47
be
7:48
accurate
7:48
in
7:48
calling
7:48
it
7:49
Triple
7:49
A,
7:49
because
7:50
I
7:50
know
7:50
minor
7:51
leagues
7:51
were
7:51
designated
7:52
differently
7:53
in
7:54
that
7:54
era.
7:54
The,
7:55
the
7:55
Newark
7:56
Bears
7:57
of
7:57
the
7:57
International
7:58
League.
7:58
So
7:58
the
7:58
Yankees
7:59
had
7:59
their
8:00
highest
8:00
rated
8:01
farmhands
8:02
right
8:03
next
8:03
door
8:03
in
8:04
Newark
8:04
and
8:04
ready
8:05
to
8:05
be
8:05
summoned
8:05
to
8:06
Yankee
8:06
Stadium
8:07
if
8:07
they
8:07
were
8:08
needed.
8:08
And
8:09
the
8:09
Yankees
8:09
were
8:10
not
8:10
about
8:11
to
8:11
trust
8:11
their
8:12
prized
8:12
farm
8:13
hands,
8:13
the
8:13
guys
8:13
that
8:14
they
8:14
were
8:14
counting
8:15
on
8:15
to
8:15
keep
8:16
the
8:16
dynasty
8:17
going
8:17
to
8:18
just
8:18
any
8:18
old
8:19
manager.
8:19
And
8:20
Vit
8:20
had
8:20
earned
8:21
the
8:21
confidence
8:22
of
8:22
George
8:23
Weiss,
8:23
the
8:24
general
8:24
manager
8:25
of
8:25
the
8:25
Yankees,
8:25
and
8:26
was
8:26
hired
8:26
to
8:26
manage
8:27
the
8:27
Newark
8:28
Bears.
8:28
And
8:29
the
8:29
1937
8:31
Newark
8:32
Bears
8:32
are
8:32
considered
8:33
by
8:33
many
8:34
to
8:34
be
8:34
the
8:35
best
8:35
minor
8:36
league
8:36
team
8:37
ever.
8:37
They
8:37
won
8:38
the
8:38
Little
8:39
World
8:39
Series,
8:40
they
8:40
ran
8:41
roughshod
8:41
over
8:41
the
8:42
International
8:42
League,
8:43
won
8:43
109
8:44
games.
8:45
Wow.
8:46
Every
8:46
player
8:47
on
8:47
the
8:48
Newark
8:48
Bears,
8:49
with
8:49
one
8:50
exception,
8:51
eventually
8:52
played
8:53
in
8:53
the
8:53
major
8:53
leagues,
8:54
either
8:54
for
8:54
the
8:54
Yankees
8:55
or
8:55
for
8:56
some
8:56
other
8:56
team,
8:57
the
8:57
Yankee.
8:58
The
8:58
Bears
8:59
then
8:59
pulled
9:00
off
9:00
something
9:00
that
9:00
had
9:01
never
9:01
been
9:01
done
9:01
in
9:02
the
9:02
major
9:02
leagues
9:03
before
9:03
and
9:03
wouldn't
9:04
be
9:04
done
9:05
until
9:05
2004
9:06
when
9:06
the
9:07
Red
9:07
Sox
9:07
did
9:07
it
9:08
in
9:08
the
9:08
Little
9:08
World
9:08
Series
9:09
against
9:10
the
9:10
Columbus
9:11
Redbirds,
9:12
the
9:12
St.
9:12
Louis
9:12
Cardinals,
9:13
top
9:13
minor
9:14
league
9:14
affiliate.
9:15
The
9:15
Redbirds
9:16
won
9:16
the
9:16
first
9:17
three
9:17
games
9:17
of
9:17
the
9:17
best
9:18
of
9:18
seven.
9:19
And
9:19
it
9:19
looked
9:19
like
9:19
it
9:19
was
9:20
curtains
9:20
for
9:20
the
9:20
Bears,
9:21
who
9:22
then
9:22
won
9:22
the
9:22
next
9:23
four
9:23
games
9:24
and
9:24
won
9:25
the
9:25
Little
9:25
World
9:26
Series.
9:26
That,
9:26
of
9:26
course,
9:27
got
9:28
people's
9:28
attention,
9:29
especially
9:30
the
9:30
attention
9:31
of
9:31
the
9:31
guys
9:32
who
9:32
owned
9:32
the
9:33
Cleveland
9:33
Indians
9:34
who
9:34
happened
9:34
to
9:35
be
9:35
looking
9:35
for
9:36
a
9:36
manager.
9:37
So
9:37
in
9:38
a
9:38
nutshell,
9:38
that
9:39
is
9:39
the
9:39
story
9:39
of
9:40
Oscar
9:40
Witt
9:41
prior
9:41
to
9:42
his
9:42
becoming
9:42
the
9:43
manager
9:43
of
9:43
the
9:43
Indians.
9:45
What
9:45
kind
9:46
of
9:46
a
9:46
ball
9:46
player
9:47
was
9:47
he?
9:47
Like
9:47
we.
9:48
Like,
9:48
like
9:48
you
9:49
said,
9:49
he,
9:49
he
9:49
played
9:50
from
9:50
1912
9:52
until.
9:56
What
9:56
was
9:56
it,
9:56
1912
9:57
until
9:58
21,
9:58
I
9:59
believe
9:59
21.
10:01
Played
10:01
with
10:01
the
10:02
Tigers
10:02
and
10:03
the
10:03
Red
10:03
Sox.
10:04
And
10:04
I
10:04
think
10:05
at
10:05
one
10:05
time
10:06
Ty
10:06
Cobb
10:07
actually
10:08
called
10:09
him
10:10
one
10:10
of
10:10
the
10:10
most
10:10
intelligent
10:11
ballplayers
10:12
he
10:13
had
10:13
ever
10:13
come
10:13
across.
10:14
Tell
10:15
us
10:15
about
10:15
Ozzy
10:16
Vit,
10:16
the
10:16
ball
10:16
player.
10:17
Well,
10:18
that
10:18
needed
10:19
to
10:19
be
10:19
an
10:20
intelligent
10:20
player
10:21
to
10:21
stay
10:21
in
10:21
the
10:22
major
10:22
leagues.
10:22
Now,
10:23
one
10:23
thing
10:24
the,
10:24
the
10:25
Cleveland
10:25
writers
10:25
got
10:26
a
10:26
big
10:26
chuckle
10:26
out
10:27
of,
10:27
and
10:27
I
10:27
think
10:27
Vid
10:28
did
10:28
the
10:28
same
10:28
thing,
10:30
was
10:30
he
10:30
loved
10:31
to
10:31
brag
10:31
about
10:32
Olas
10:33
could
10:33
really
10:33
hit
10:33
that
10:34
ball.
10:35
Well,
10:35
Olaz
10:36
could
10:36
not
10:36
hit
10:37
that
10:37
ball.
10:38
I
10:38
don't
10:38
have
10:38
the
10:38
statistics
10:39
here
10:39
in
10:40
front
10:40
of
10:40
me,
10:40
but
10:40
his
10:40
career
10:41
batt
10:42
average
10:42
was
10:42
somewhere
10:43
in
10:43
the
10:43
vicinity
10:44
of
10:45
225
10:46
to
10:46
2.
10:47
Yeah,
10:47
he
10:47
was.
10:47
I
10:47
got
10:48
it
10:48
right
10:48
here
10:48
for
10:48
you,
10:49
Gary.
10:49
His
10:50
career
10:50
batting
10:50
average.238
10:53
he
10:54
played
10:54
for
10:55
10
10:56
years.
10:57
Wasn't
10:58
a
10:58
small
10:59
sample.
10:59
I
10:59
mean,
10:59
he
11:00
averaged,
11:00
you
11:01
know,
11:01
over
11:01
100
11:02
games
11:02
a
11:02
year.
11:02
He,
11:03
he
11:03
played
11:04
1065
11:06
games,
11:08
had
11:08
3760
11:10
at
11:11
bats.
11:11
So
11:11
he
11:12
played
11:12
a
11:12
great
11:13
deal
11:13
over
11:14
the
11:14
course
11:14
of
11:14
those
11:15
3,760
11:17
at
11:17
bats.
11:18
He
11:18
hit
11:18
all
11:19
of
11:19
four
11:20
home
11:20
runs,
11:21
four
11:21
homers,
11:22
knocked
11:22
in
11:23
296
11:24
runs,
11:25
had
11:25
a
11:25
career
11:26
average
11:26
of
11:27
238,
11:29
struck
11:29
out,
11:30
actually
11:31
strikeouts.
11:31
When
11:32
you
11:32
consider
11:32
today
11:33
he
11:33
only
11:33
struck
11:34
out
11:34
143
11:35
times.
11:36
Here's
11:36
guys
11:37
that
11:37
strike
11:37
out
11:37
143
11:39
times
11:39
in
11:39
a
11:39
week.
11:40
Week,
11:40
it
11:40
seems
11:40
like
11:42
season,
11:43
certainly.
11:44
Yeah,
11:44
yeah.
11:44
But
11:45
he,
11:45
you
11:46
know,
11:46
he
11:46
was
11:46
a
11:47
marginal
11:48
ball
11:48
player,
11:48
at
11:49
least
11:49
at
11:49
the
11:49
plate
11:50
at
11:50
best.
11:51
Well,
11:52
in
11:52
order
11:52
to
11:52
have
11:53
lasted
11:53
as
11:53
long
11:53
in
11:53
the
11:54
major
11:54
leagues
11:54
as
11:54
he
11:55
did,
11:55
obviously,
11:56
as
11:56
Cobb
11:57
pointed
11:57
out,
11:57
Vit
11:58
had
11:58
to
11:58
be
11:58
an
11:58
intelligent
11:59
player.
12:00
He
12:00
had
12:00
to
12:01
be
12:01
the
12:01
kind
12:01
of
12:01
guy
12:01
who
12:02
did
12:02
the
12:02
little
12:03
things
12:04
well,
12:05
and
12:06
he
12:06
earned
12:07
the
12:07
respect
12:08
most.
12:09
If
12:09
Ty
12:09
Cobb
12:10
says
12:10
something
12:10
about,
12:11
like
12:11
that
12:11
about
12:12
you,
12:13
then
12:13
that
12:14
is
12:14
significant
12:15
because
12:15
Cobb
12:16
did
12:16
not
12:16
throw
12:16
compliments
12:17
around.
12:18
And
12:18
for
12:19
him
12:19
to
12:19
say
12:19
that
12:20
wasn't
12:20
such
12:20
an
12:20
intelligent
12:21
ball
12:21
player
12:22
was
12:23
definitely
12:24
a
12:24
feather
12:24
in
12:25
Aussie's
12:26
camp.
12:26
So
12:27
he,
12:27
like
12:28
so
12:28
many
12:29
men
12:29
who
12:29
become
12:30
managers,
12:31
who
12:31
was
12:32
just
12:32
a
12:32
marginal
12:32
player
12:33
and
12:34
needed
12:34
to
12:34
do
12:34
the
12:35
little
12:35
things
12:35
and
12:36
needed
12:36
to
12:36
do
12:37
the
12:37
smart
12:37
things
12:37
in
12:38
order
12:38
to
12:38
stick
12:38
around
12:39
as
12:39
long
12:40
as
12:40
he
12:40
did
12:40
and
12:41
then
12:41
put
12:41
that
12:42
knowledge
12:42
to
12:43
use
12:43
in
12:44
the
12:44
dugout
12:44
calling
12:45
the
12:45
shots.
12:47
How
12:47
did,
12:48
how
12:48
did
12:49
his.
12:51
His
12:51
style
12:52
of
12:52
play?
12:52
I
12:53
think
12:53
he
12:53
might
12:53
have
12:53
been.
12:54
Well,
12:55
when
12:55
you
12:55
consider
12:56
the
12:56
kind
12:56
of
12:56
manager
12:57
he
12:57
was,
12:57
he
12:58
must
12:58
have
12:58
had
13:01
taken
13:01
something
13:02
from
13:03
the
13:03
fierce
13:04
way
13:05
that
13:05
Ty
13:05
Cobb
13:06
played
13:07
the
13:07
game.
13:08
How
13:08
did
13:10
Cobb's
13:12
fierceness
13:15
and
13:15
Cobb's
13:16
hustle
13:18
in
13:21
shape
13:22
Vit's
13:23
career
13:23
as
13:24
a
13:24
manager?
13:26
Well,
13:27
Vitt
13:28
had
13:29
apparently
13:30
a
13:30
unique
13:31
way
13:32
of
13:32
getting
13:32
from
13:33
his
13:33
players
13:34
the
13:35
kind
13:35
of
13:35
hustle
13:36
they
13:37
wanted.
13:37
In
13:38
fact,
13:38
after
13:38
he
13:38
was
13:39
hired
13:40
by
13:40
the
13:40
Indians,
13:41
the
13:41
Cleveland
13:42
Plain
13:42
Dealer
13:43
dispatched
13:44
one
13:44
of
13:44
their
13:44
feature
13:45
reporters
13:45
to
13:45
talk
13:46
to
13:46
some
13:46
of
13:46
the
13:46
players
13:47
who
13:47
had
13:48
played
13:48
for
13:48
Vit
13:49
in
13:49
the
13:50
minor
13:50
leagues.
13:51
And
13:52
one
13:52
of
13:52
them,
13:53
a
13:53
guy
13:53
by
13:53
the
13:54
name
13:54
of
13:54
Steve
13:55
Sundra,
13:55
who
13:55
had
13:56
played,
13:56
interestingly
13:57
for
13:58
both
13:59
Steve
13:59
o',
13:59
Neill,
14:00
the
14:00
manager
14:01
that
14:01
Vit
14:02
replaced
14:03
in
14:03
Cleveland,
14:04
and
14:04
also
14:05
played
14:05
for
14:06
Vit
14:07
with
14:07
the.
14:08
With
14:08
the
14:08
Bears.
14:09
And
14:10
Sandra
14:10
was
14:10
then
14:10
with
14:11
the
14:11
Yankees,
14:11
one
14:12
of
14:12
the
14:12
anchors
14:12
of
14:12
their
14:13
pitching
14:13
staff,
14:14
and
14:14
was
14:15
asked,
14:16
how
14:17
did
14:17
Vit
14:17
get
14:18
the
14:18
kind
14:18
of
14:18
hustle
14:19
out
14:20
of
14:20
the
14:20
Newark
14:21
players
14:22
that
14:22
ownership
14:23
of
14:23
the
14:23
Indians
14:23
is
14:24
expecting
14:24
him
14:25
to.
14:25
To
14:25
get
14:26
out
14:26
of
14:26
their
14:27
players.
14:28
And
14:28
Sandra's
14:29
answer
14:30
was,
14:30
this
14:30
guy
14:31
is
14:31
so
14:32
smart
14:34
that
14:35
he
14:35
can.
14:36
The
14:36
term
14:36
that
14:36
they
14:36
used
14:37
was
14:37
stick
14:37
the
14:38
needle
14:38
in
14:38
you.
14:39
How
14:39
is
14:39
Vit
14:40
going
14:40
to
14:40
stick
14:40
the
14:40
needle
14:41
into
14:41
these
14:41
guys
14:42
to
14:42
get
14:42
them
14:43
to
14:43
perform
14:43
up
14:43
to
14:44
their
14:44
maximum
14:44
capacity
14:46
and
14:46
sundress
14:47
Said
14:48
Vit
14:48
was
14:48
such
14:49
a
14:49
good
14:49
psychologist
14:51
that
14:51
he
14:51
could
14:51
stick
14:52
the
14:52
needle
14:52
in
14:52
you
14:53
without
14:53
you
14:54
even
14:54
realizing
14:55
it
14:55
and
14:56
get
14:56
you
14:56
to
14:57
pick
14:58
it
14:58
up
14:59
a
14:59
notch.
14:59
And
14:59
you
15:00
didn't
15:00
even
15:00
realize
15:01
you
15:02
were
15:02
doing
15:02
it.
15:02
You
15:02
didn't
15:03
even
15:03
realize
15:03
you
15:03
were
15:04
being
15:04
asked
15:05
to
15:05
do
15:05
it.
15:06
But
15:06
I
15:06
guess
15:07
in
15:07
a
15:08
maybe
15:08
more
15:08
contemporary
15:10
terminology
15:11
that
15:12
seemed
15:12
to
15:12
know
15:12
which
15:13
buttons
15:13
to
15:13
push
15:14
to
15:15
get
15:15
the
15:15
best
15:15
performance
15:16
out
15:16
of
15:16
his
15:17
players.
15:17
And
15:17
I'm
15:18
sure
15:18
that
15:18
was
15:18
simply
15:19
learned
15:19
and
15:19
acquired
15:20
through
15:20
all
15:21
those
15:21
years
15:22
of
15:22
managing
15:23
in
15:23
the
15:23
minor
15:23
leagues.
15:26
Yeah.
15:28
So.
15:29
So
15:30
why
15:30
did
15:31
the
15:32
Indians
15:34
decide
15:35
to
15:36
replace
15:36
o'
15:37
Neal
15:37
and
15:38
call
15:38
upon
15:39
Vid?
15:41
Well,
15:41
it
15:42
was
15:42
kind
15:42
of
15:42
a
15:43
common
15:44
thing
15:44
to
15:44
do.
15:44
We
15:45
hear
15:45
about
15:45
it
15:46
a
15:46
great
15:46
deal
15:47
nowadays
15:48
when
15:48
a
15:48
team
15:49
changes
15:49
managers
15:50
or
15:50
changes
15:51
coaches,
15:52
you
15:52
go
15:53
from
15:54
one,
15:55
for
15:55
lack
15:55
of
15:55
a
15:55
better
15:56
term,
15:56
one
15:56
extreme
15:57
to
15:58
another.
15:59
And
16:00
o'
16:00
Neal
16:01
had
16:01
been
16:01
what
16:01
we
16:01
would
16:02
probably
16:02
call
16:02
today
16:03
a
16:03
player's
16:04
manager.
16:05
Now,
16:06
as
16:06
tough
16:07
as
16:07
o'
16:07
Neill
16:07
was
16:08
as
16:08
a
16:08
player,
16:08
and
16:08
he
16:08
was
16:09
still
16:10
at
16:10
this
16:10
time
16:11
revered
16:12
in
16:12
Cleveland
16:13
because
16:13
fans
16:14
remembered
16:14
O'
16:15
Neill
16:15
as
16:15
the
16:16
starting
16:16
catcher
16:16
for
16:17
the
16:17
1920
16:18
world
16:18
champion
16:19
Indians,
16:20
he
16:20
was
16:20
as
16:20
tough
16:21
a
16:21
player
16:21
as
16:21
you
16:22
were
16:22
ever
16:22
going
16:22
to
16:22
come
16:23
across,
16:23
but
16:24
his
16:24
management
16:25
style
16:26
was
16:27
quite
16:28
laid
16:28
back.
16:30
In
16:30
fact,
16:31
in.
16:32
In
16:32
1937,
16:33
O'
16:33
Neill's
16:34
last
16:34
year
16:35
as
16:36
a
16:36
manager,
16:37
the
16:37
Indians,
16:38
I
16:38
should
16:38
say
16:38
last
16:38
year
16:39
as
16:39
manager
16:39
of
16:39
the
16:39
Indians.
16:40
He
16:40
then
16:40
went
16:40
on
16:41
to
16:41
become
16:41
a
16:41
very
16:42
successful
16:42
major
16:43
league
16:43
manager,
16:44
in
16:44
fact.
16:46
You
16:47
mean
16:47
19.
16:49
1937
16:51
was
16:51
the
16:52
last
16:52
year
16:52
in
16:52
the
16:52
last
16:53
year
16:53
with
16:53
the
16:53
Indians.
16:54
Yeah.
16:54
I
16:54
didn't
16:54
mean
16:55
to
16:55
misspeak
16:55
and
16:55
say
16:55
his
16:56
last
16:56
year
16:56
as
16:56
a
16:56
manager
16:57
because
16:57
Neil
16:58
went
16:58
on
16:58
to
16:59
manage
16:59
the
17:00
Tigers
17:00
and
17:00
manage
17:01
the
17:01
Red
17:01
Sox
17:02
and
17:02
manage
17:02
the
17:02
Phillies.
17:03
His
17:04
last
17:04
year
17:04
as
17:04
manager
17:05
of
17:05
the
17:05
Indians,
17:05
which
17:05
was
17:06
1937,
17:07
the
17:07
team
17:07
was
17:08
going
17:08
poorly.
17:09
And
17:10
the
17:10
editors
17:11
of
17:11
the
17:11
Cleveland
17:12
Press,
17:13
which
17:13
of
17:14
the
17:14
three
17:14
daily
17:15
newspapers
17:16
in
17:16
Cleveland
17:16
at
17:17
that
17:17
time
17:17
was
17:18
the
17:18
more
17:19
sensationalistic
17:20
of
17:21
the
17:21
three
17:21
newspapers,
17:22
the
17:22
press
17:23
was
17:23
highly
17:24
opinionated
17:24
and
17:25
did
17:25
not,
17:26
was
17:27
not
17:27
reluctant
17:27
or
17:28
reticent
17:28
to
17:28
express
17:29
those
17:29
opinions.
17:30
With
17:30
the
17:30
Indians
17:31
going
17:31
bad,
17:31
at
17:32
one
17:32
point
17:32
in
17:32
the
17:33
season,
17:34
the
17:34
press
17:34
had
17:35
a
17:35
full
17:36
page
17:37
headline
17:37
with
17:38
screaming
17:39
headlines
17:39
that
17:39
said
17:40
get
17:40
mad
17:40
Steve.
17:42
Because
17:43
that
17:43
was
17:43
just
17:43
not
17:44
oneills
17:44
style.
17:45
To
17:45
rant
17:46
and
17:46
to
17:46
rave.
17:47
The
17:48
fans
17:48
felt,
17:49
and
17:49
I
17:50
believe
17:50
the
17:51
owners
17:51
felt
17:51
as
17:52
well,
17:53
the
17:53
Indians
17:54
had
17:54
the
17:54
talent
17:54
to
17:55
do
17:55
better
17:56
than
17:56
they
17:56
were
17:56
doing.
17:57
O'
17:58
Neill
17:58
did
17:58
not
17:59
seem
17:59
to
17:59
be
17:59
the
18:00
right
18:00
manager
18:01
to
18:01
bring
18:01
out
18:02
that
18:02
talent.
18:03
He
18:03
did
18:03
not
18:04
stick
18:04
the
18:04
needle
18:05
into
18:05
the
18:06
players,
18:06
which
18:06
is
18:07
what
18:07
the
18:07
fans
18:07
wanted,
18:08
which
18:08
is
18:08
what
18:09
the
18:09
media
18:10
wanted,
18:10
which
18:10
is
18:11
what
18:11
the
18:11
front
18:11
office
18:13
wanted.
18:14
And
18:14
so,
18:14
as
18:15
so
18:15
often
18:15
Happens
18:16
in
18:16
such
18:16
a
18:16
situation,
18:17
you
18:17
go
18:18
from
18:19
a
18:19
player's
18:20
manager
18:21
to
18:22
a
18:22
guy
18:22
who
18:23
cracks
18:24
the
18:24
whip,
18:25
who
18:25
rants
18:26
and
18:26
raves.
18:27
Not
18:27
that
18:27
Vid
18:28
had
18:28
acquired
18:29
that
18:29
kind
18:29
of
18:30
reputation
18:31
in
18:31
the
18:31
minor
18:32
leagues.
18:32
He
18:33
was
18:33
not
18:33
known
18:34
to
18:34
be
18:34
an
18:35
overbearing
18:36
ogre
18:36
to
18:37
work
18:37
for.
18:38
But
18:38
you
18:38
look
18:39
at
18:39
the
18:39
man's
18:40
record,
18:40
when
18:40
he
18:40
was
18:41
given
18:41
talent,
18:42
he
18:42
won
18:43
with
18:43
it.
18:45
And
18:45
ownership
18:46
just
18:47
came
18:47
to
18:47
the
18:47
conclusion,
18:48
based
18:48
on
18:49
a
18:49
number
18:49
of
18:50
interviews
18:51
with
18:51
people
18:52
who
18:52
should
18:53
have
18:53
known,
18:53
people
18:53
who
18:54
knew
18:54
Vit,
18:55
that
18:55
here
18:56
was
18:56
a
18:56
guy
18:56
who,
18:57
as
18:57
I
18:57
said,
18:57
knew
18:58
how
18:58
to
18:58
push
18:58
the
18:58
buttons,
18:59
knew
18:59
how
18:59
to
18:59
stick
18:59
the
19:00
needle
19:00
into
19:00
the
19:00
players,
19:01
and
19:02
would
19:02
get
19:03
them
19:03
performing
19:04
to
19:05
the
19:05
best
19:05
of
19:05
their
19:06
ability.
19:07
The
19:07
ownership
19:08
simply
19:08
felt
19:08
that
19:08
we've
19:09
got
19:09
more
19:09
talent
19:10
than
19:11
a
19:11
team.
19:11
That
19:12
O'
19:12
Neill's
19:13
last
19:13
team
19:13
finished
19:14
80
19:14
and
19:14
74.
19:16
The
19:16
year
19:16
before
19:16
that,
19:17
83
19:17
and
19:18
71.
19:19
As
19:19
I
19:19
pointed
19:19
out
19:20
in
19:20
the
19:20
book,
19:20
the
19:20
Indians
19:21
throughout
19:21
the
19:21
1930s
19:23
were
19:24
a
19:24
good
19:24
team,
19:25
but
19:26
not
19:26
a
19:26
great
19:27
team.
19:27
They
19:27
were
19:27
good
19:28
enough
19:28
to
19:28
finish
19:28
above.500
19:30
and
19:30
maybe
19:30
15
19:31
to
19:31
18
19:31
games
19:32
out
19:32
of
19:32
first
19:32
place.
19:33
But
19:33
they
19:34
were
19:34
not
19:34
the
19:34
St.
19:34
Louis
19:34
Browns
19:35
by
19:35
any
19:35
means.
19:36
But
19:36
they
19:36
were
19:36
not
19:36
the
19:37
Yankees
19:38
either.
19:39
Well,
19:39
and
19:39
that's
19:39
really
19:39
interesting
19:40
because
19:41
they
19:41
did
19:41
make
19:41
the
19:42
change.
19:42
It
19:42
went
19:42
from
19:42
o'
19:43
Neill
19:43
to
19:43
Vit.
19:44
And
19:44
you
19:44
just
19:45
talked
19:45
about
19:46
the
19:46
kind
19:46
of
19:46
record
19:47
that
19:47
the
19:47
Indians
19:48
had
19:48
in
19:49
the
19:49
o'
19:49
Neill
19:50
years.
19:50
And
19:51
while
19:52
Vit
19:53
did,
19:54
the
19:54
Indians
19:55
did
19:55
see
19:57
marginal
19:57
improvement,
19:58
I'll
19:58
call
19:59
it.
20:00
With
20:00
Vid
20:00
at
20:01
the
20:01
helm,
20:02
it's
20:02
not
20:02
like
20:02
they
20:03
took
20:03
off
20:03
and
20:03
became
20:04
a
20:04
juggernaut
20:05
first
20:05
place
20:05
team.
20:06
I
20:06
mean,
20:07
Vit
20:07
was
20:07
there
20:08
for
20:08
three
20:08
years,
20:08
38,
20:09
39
20:09
and
20:10
40.
20:10
And
20:11
he
20:11
won
20:11
86,
20:12
87
20:12
and
20:13
89
20:13
games.
20:14
Now,
20:14
interestingly
20:15
enough,
20:15
they
20:16
improve
20:17
their
20:17
win
20:17
total
20:18
every
20:19
year.
20:19
86,
20:20
87,
20:22
89.
20:23
But
20:23
they
20:23
were
20:24
never
20:24
able
20:25
to.
20:25
To
20:25
overcome
20:26
and
20:26
finish
20:27
in
20:27
first.
20:29
So
20:29
there
20:30
was
20:30
improvement.
20:31
But
20:32
as
20:33
we
20:33
are
20:33
going
20:33
to
20:34
find
20:34
out
20:34
shortly,
20:35
that
20:36
improvement
20:36
came
20:37
at
20:37
a
20:37
price.
20:37
I
20:37
mean,
20:38
in.
20:39
In
20:39
a
20:39
way,
20:39
which
20:40
is
20:40
why
20:40
the
20:41
Indians
20:41
got
20:41
the
20:42
name
20:42
during
20:42
that
20:42
period,
20:43
the
20:43
Crybabies.
20:45
How
20:46
did
20:47
the
20:48
Indian
20:48
players
20:50
initially
20:51
respond
20:54
to
20:54
Vit's
20:55
leadership
20:56
style?
20:59
Well,
21:00
let's
21:00
take
21:00
this
21:01
year
21:01
by
21:02
year.
21:02
Let's
21:03
go
21:03
incrementally.
21:04
And
21:04
as
21:04
you
21:05
said,
21:05
there
21:05
was
21:06
incremental
21:07
improvement
21:08
each
21:09
year.
21:10
I
21:10
mean,
21:11
overall,
21:11
it
21:12
was
21:12
like
21:12
a
21:12
total
21:12
of
21:13
3
21:13
games
21:13
improvement
21:14
for
21:14
the
21:14
3
21:14
years
21:15
total
21:16
the
21:16
first
21:17
year.
21:18
And
21:18
this
21:18
was
21:18
something
21:19
the
21:19
Indians
21:20
had
21:20
made
21:20
a
21:20
habit
21:21
of
21:21
doing
21:22
in
21:22
the
21:22
1930s.
21:24
It
21:24
looked
21:25
like
21:25
hiring
21:26
Vit
21:26
was
21:26
a
21:27
stroke
21:27
of
21:27
genius.
21:28
They
21:28
broke
21:28
from
21:28
the
21:29
gate
21:29
quickly.
21:29
They
21:30
were
21:30
in
21:30
first
21:31
place
21:32
until,
21:33
I
21:33
believe,
21:34
it
21:34
was
21:34
late
21:35
in
21:35
June
21:35
or
21:36
early
21:36
in
21:36
July.
21:38
And
21:38
then
21:39
I
21:39
can't
21:39
say
21:39
they
21:40
hit
21:40
the
21:40
skids
21:41
because
21:41
they
21:41
didn't.
21:42
But
21:42
they
21:42
went
21:43
from
21:43
being
21:45
18
21:45
games
21:45
over.500
21:47
to
21:48
over
21:49
the
21:49
last
21:50
86
21:50
games
21:51
of
21:51
the
21:51
season,
21:52
they
21:52
were
21:52
two
21:53
games
21:53
over.500.
21:55
So
21:55
they
21:55
did
21:56
not
21:56
collapse.
21:57
But
21:57
maybe
21:58
they
21:58
just
21:58
regressed
21:59
to
21:59
the
21:59
mean
22:00
and
22:00
became
22:00
the
22:00
kind
22:01
of
22:01
team
22:01
that
22:01
they
22:01
were
22:02
supposed
22:02
to
22:03
be
22:03
over
22:03
the
22:04
last
22:05
roughly
22:06
a
22:06
little
22:06
more
22:06
than
22:06
half
22:07
of
22:07
the
22:08
season,
22:08
winding
22:09
up
22:09
in
22:10
third
22:10
place.
22:10
An
22:11
improvement
22:11
over
22:12
37
22:13
and
22:13
O'
22:13
Neill's
22:14
last
22:14
year,
22:15
but
22:15
only
22:16
a
22:16
marginal
22:17
improvement.
22:18
Now.
22:18
When
22:19
Vit
22:19
was
22:20
hired,
22:21
he
22:21
was
22:21
signed
22:22
to
22:22
a
22:22
two
22:22
year
22:23
contract.
22:24
Nowadays
22:25
of
22:25
course,
22:25
it
22:26
is
22:26
news
22:26
if
22:27
a
22:27
manager
22:27
isn't
22:28
given
22:28
a
22:28
multi
22:29
year
22:30
contract.
22:30
I
22:31
think,
22:31
I
22:31
think
22:32
Walt
22:32
Weiss
22:32
was
22:33
the
22:33
last
22:33
guy
22:33
to
22:34
not
22:34
get
22:34
a
22:34
multi
22:34
year
22:35
contract
22:35
with
22:35
Colorado
22:36
many,
22:36
many
22:37
years
22:37
ago.
22:37
And
22:38
that
22:38
made
22:38
headlines
22:39
itself.
22:39
You
22:39
can't
22:40
sign
22:40
the
22:40
guy
22:40
for
22:41
one
22:41
year,
22:41
he's
22:42
a
22:42
lame
22:42
duck
22:42
before
22:43
he
22:43
even
22:43
reports
22:44
to
22:44
spring
22:44
training.
22:44
But
22:45
in
22:45
the
22:45
1930s,
22:46
multi
22:47
year
22:47
contracts
22:48
for
22:48
managers
22:49
were
22:49
not
22:49
normal.
22:50
I
22:50
mean
22:50
everybody
22:50
did
22:51
what
22:51
Walter
22:51
Alston
22:52
did.
22:52
One
22:52
year,
22:53
24
22:54
years,
22:55
one
22:55
year
22:56
contract.
22:56
Every
22:57
year
22:57
of
22:57
his
22:57
24
22:58
one
22:58
year
22:59
contracts,
23:00
Vit
23:01
was
23:01
signed
23:01
for
23:01
two
23:02
years,
23:02
which
23:02
was
23:03
a
23:03
show
23:03
of
23:03
confidence
23:04
on
23:04
the
23:04
part
23:05
of
23:05
the
23:05
management.
23:06
So
23:07
in
23:07
1938,
23:09
the
23:09
Indians
23:10
did
23:10
the
23:10
opposite
23:12
of
23:12
what
23:12
they
23:13
had
23:13
done
23:13
in
23:13
1937
23:15
and
23:15
what
23:15
they
23:15
had
23:16
done
23:16
both
23:17
full
23:17
seasons
23:18
that
23:19
Steve
23:19
O'
23:19
Neill
23:20
was
23:20
manager.
23:20
O'
23:20
Neill
23:21
took
23:21
over
23:21
in
23:21
the
23:21
middle
23:22
of
23:22
the
23:22
1935
23:23
season.
23:24
The
23:25
Indians
23:25
spurted
23:26
after
23:26
that,
23:27
which
23:27
created
23:27
a
23:28
false
23:28
sense
23:28
of
23:28
optimism
23:29
that
23:29
things
23:29
are
23:30
going
23:30
to
23:30
be
23:30
great
23:30
come
23:30
1936
23:32
and
23:32
it
23:32
didn't
23:32
work
23:33
out
23:33
that
23:33
way.
23:34
And
23:34
in
23:35
1937
23:36
things
23:37
didn't
23:37
work
23:38
out
23:38
the
23:39
way
23:39
management
23:39
had
23:40
expected.
23:41
In
23:42
1937,
23:43
the
23:44
Indians
23:44
got
23:44
off
23:45
to
23:45
a
23:45
very
23:45
slow
23:46
start,
23:46
were
23:47
well
23:47
below.500
23:48
before
23:49
they
23:49
finally
23:50
caught
23:50
fire
23:50
and
23:51
marched
23:51
over
23:52
the
23:52
American
23:52
League
23:53
in
23:54
August
23:54
and
23:54
September
23:55
after
23:56
they
23:56
were
23:56
trailing
23:56
the
23:56
Yankees
23:57
by
23:57
20
23:57
some
23:58
games
23:58
and
23:59
it
23:59
didn't
23:59
matter
24:00
anymore.
24:01
The
24:01
38
24:01
Indians
24:02
under
24:02
Oscar
24:03
Witt
24:03
did
24:03
the
24:03
same
24:04
thing.
24:04
They
24:04
started
24:05
off
24:05
slowly,
24:06
they
24:06
worked
24:06
their
24:07
way
24:07
up
24:08
to
24:08
500
24:09
and
24:09
a
24:09
little
24:09
bit
24:10
beyond.
24:11
They
24:11
were
24:11
only
24:12
four
24:12
games
24:12
over.500
24:13
in
24:14
early
24:14
August.
24:15
And
24:15
then
24:16
they
24:17
caught
24:17
fire
24:18
and
24:19
wound
24:19
up
24:19
finishing
24:20
third
24:20
at
24:21
87
24:22
and
24:22
67.
24:23
So
24:25
either
24:25
the
24:26
Indians
24:26
started
24:26
off
24:27
quickly
24:27
and
24:27
then
24:28
faded,
24:28
or
24:29
they
24:29
started
24:29
off
24:29
slowly
24:30
and
24:30
caught
24:31
fire
24:32
when
24:32
the
24:33
the
24:33
race
24:33
was
24:34
over
24:34
and
24:34
the
24:34
Yankees
24:35
had
24:35
had
24:35
won.
24:36
So
24:37
Vitt
24:38
technically
24:39
really
24:39
had
24:39
not
24:40
improved
24:41
upon
24:41
what
24:41
o'
24:42
Neill
24:42
had
24:42
done
24:43
in
24:43
the
24:43
first
24:43
two
24:44
years
24:44
that
24:44
he
24:44
was
24:45
manager.
24:45
Improved
24:46
the
24:46
record
24:46
yes,
24:47
but
24:47
the
24:47
Indians
24:48
were
24:48
still
24:49
left
24:49
choking
24:50
on
24:50
the
24:50
dust
24:50
of,
24:51
of
24:51
the
24:51
Yankees.
24:53
But
24:53
in
24:54
1938,
24:57
Vit
24:57
was
24:58
signed
24:59
for.
25:00
Excuse
25:00
me,
25:00
1939,
25:01
1939,
25:02
Vit
25:02
was
25:02
signed
25:03
for
25:04
another
25:05
year.
25:06
The
25:06
Indians
25:07
did
25:07
not
25:07
want
25:07
him
25:08
to
25:08
be
25:08
twisting
25:08
in
25:09
the
25:09
wind.
25:09
They
25:09
didn't
25:09
want
25:09
him
25:10
to
25:10
be
25:10
a
25:10
lame
25:10
duck.
25:11
The
25:11
last
25:11
two
25:11
months
25:12
of
25:12
the
25:12
39
25:13
season,
25:14
there
25:14
were
25:14
rumors
25:15
going
25:15
around
25:15
that
25:16
Vit
25:16
was
25:16
finished
25:17
when
25:17
the
25:17
season
25:17
was
25:17
over
25:18
or
25:18
maybe
25:18
before
25:19
he
25:19
was
25:19
going
25:19
to
25:19
be
25:20
dismissed.
25:21
So
25:21
the
25:21
team
25:21
owner,
25:22
Alva
25:22
Bradley,
25:23
decided
25:23
to
25:24
put
25:24
that
25:24
to
25:25
rest
25:25
early
25:26
in
25:26
August
25:26
of
25:26
1939
25:28
and
25:28
signed
25:29
VIT
25:29
for
25:30
1940.
25:31
The
25:32
seeds
25:32
of
25:32
what
25:32
happened
25:33
in
25:33
1940,
25:36
truthfully,
25:36
they
25:37
could
25:37
go
25:37
all
25:37
the
25:37
way
25:37
Back
25:38
to,
25:38
to
25:38
1938.
25:40
Vit
25:40
had
25:41
his
25:41
problems
25:41
with
25:42
some
25:42
of
25:42
his
25:42
players
25:42
from
25:43
the
25:43
very
25:43
beginning.
25:44
Yeah,
25:44
that's
25:44
what
25:44
I
25:44
was
25:44
going
25:45
to
25:45
ask.
25:46
I
25:46
mean,
25:48
were
25:48
there
25:49
early
25:49
signs
25:50
of
25:50
friction?
25:53
There
25:53
were,
25:54
most
25:54
notably
25:56
with
25:56
an
25:57
outfielder
25:57
by
25:58
the
25:58
name
25:58
of
25:58
Jeff
25:58
Heath,
26:00
who
26:00
was
26:01
just
26:02
noted
26:02
for
26:02
being
26:03
a
26:03
hothead.
26:05
Heath
26:06
and
26:06
Vitt
26:07
clashed
26:08
almost
26:08
immediately
26:10
and
26:11
never
26:11
really
26:12
worked
26:12
things
26:13
out.
26:14
Never
26:14
really
26:15
were
26:15
able
26:15
to
26:15
get
26:16
along
26:16
together.
26:18
And
26:18
whether
26:18
or
26:18
not
26:18
that
26:19
played
26:19
a
26:19
role
26:19
in
26:20
Heath's
26:20
numbers
26:21
drastically
26:22
declining.
26:23
Because
26:23
in
26:24
1938,
26:25
Heath,
26:26
I
26:26
believe
26:26
at
26:27
343.
26:29
In
26:30
1939
26:31
that
26:31
went
26:32
down,
26:32
I
26:32
think
26:32
to
26:33
around
26:33
295.
26:35
And
26:36
in
26:36
1940
26:37
he
26:38
hit,
26:38
if
26:38
I'm
26:39
not
26:39
mistaken,
26:40
219.
26:41
Yeah,
26:42
here
26:42
it
26:42
is.
26:42
He
26:43
in
26:43
36.
26:44
Well,
26:44
36
26:45
was
26:45
when
26:45
he
26:45
came
26:46
up.
26:46
So
26:46
his
26:47
first
26:47
full
26:47
year
26:48
was
26:48
38.
26:49
And
26:49
he
26:49
had
26:50
343
26:50
and
26:53
then
26:53
292
26:53
and
26:55
then
26:55
219
26:56
in
26:57
41.
26:58
After
26:59
Vit
27:00
was
27:00
gone,
27:01
it
27:01
went
27:01
back
27:01
up
27:02
to
27:02
340.
27:03
So
27:03
whether
27:04
or
27:04
not
27:04
that
27:04
had
27:05
to
27:05
do
27:05
with
27:05
his,
27:06
his
27:06
problems
27:07
with
27:07
Vid
27:07
or
27:08
not,
27:08
who
27:09
is
27:09
to
27:09
say?
27:10
But
27:11
that
27:11
is
27:11
the
27:11
most
27:12
notable
27:13
example
27:14
of
27:15
friction
27:15
between
27:16
Vit
27:16
and
27:16
one
27:17
of
27:17
his
27:17
players.
27:18
When
27:19
he
27:19
was
27:20
rehired
27:22
for
27:23
1940,
27:24
this
27:24
would
27:24
have
27:24
been
27:25
in
27:25
August
27:25
of
27:26
1939.
27:27
And
27:27
that
27:27
in
27:28
and
27:28
of
27:28
itself
27:29
is
27:29
really
27:29
an
27:29
interesting
27:30
story
27:30
that
27:31
I'm,
27:31
I'm
27:31
sure
27:31
we
27:32
will
27:32
cover
27:32
a
27:33
little
27:34
later
27:34
on.
27:35
But
27:35
when
27:36
Vit
27:36
was
27:36
rehired
27:37
for
27:37
1940,
27:39
Alva
27:39
Bradley,
27:40
the
27:40
president
27:41
of
27:41
the
27:41
team,
27:41
one
27:42
of
27:42
the
27:42
co
27:42
owners,
27:44
said
27:44
the
27:45
players
27:45
need
27:45
to
27:46
know
27:47
who
27:47
is
27:47
in
27:48
charge.
27:49
And
27:49
now
27:50
they
27:50
know
27:51
Vit
27:51
will
27:51
be
27:52
back
27:52
and
27:52
be
27:53
in
27:53
charge
27:54
next
27:55
year.
27:56
And
27:56
there
27:56
is
27:56
a
27:57
really
27:57
interesting
27:58
story
27:58
that
27:58
goes
27:59
along
28:00
with
28:00
that.
28:01
And
28:01
I,
28:01
I
28:01
would
28:02
imagine
28:02
we
28:02
will
28:03
get
28:03
to
28:03
that
28:03
a
28:04
little
28:04
later.
28:04
But
28:05
I,
28:05
I
28:05
do
28:05
explain
28:06
that
28:06
in
28:06
some
28:07
detail
28:07
in
28:08
the
28:08
final
28:08
chapter.
28:08
Of
28:09
the
28:09
book.
28:10
Well,
28:10
let's,
28:11
let's,
28:11
let's
28:11
almost
28:12
get
28:12
to
28:13
what's
28:13
keeping
28:13
everybody
28:14
in
28:14
suspense
28:15
here.
28:18
You
28:18
just
28:19
addressed
28:20
that.
28:20
You
28:20
know,
28:21
he
28:21
did
28:21
have.
28:22
There
28:22
were
28:22
issues
28:23
with
28:23
a
28:24
couple
28:24
of
28:24
players.
28:24
We'll
28:25
say
28:25
he
28:26
had
28:27
somewhat
28:29
of
28:30
an
28:30
abrasive
28:31
tone,
28:32
especially
28:32
if
28:32
you
28:33
compare
28:33
it
28:34
to
28:34
what
28:34
o'
28:35
Neal
28:35
was
28:36
prior,
28:38
before
28:40
the
28:41
controversy
28:42
really
28:43
came
28:43
about.
28:47
Did
28:47
the
28:48
front
28:48
office,
28:50
team
28:50
ownership,
28:52
players,
28:55
was
28:55
there.
28:56
Did
28:57
anyone
28:57
ever
28:58
express
28:59
any
29:00
concern
29:01
about
29:02
Vits
29:03
management
29:05
style,
29:06
his
29:06
approach
29:07
to
29:07
the
29:07
game
29:08
before
29:09
the
29:10
revolt
29:11
of
29:11
1940?
29:14
Well,
29:15
that's
29:15
something
29:15
that
29:15
I
29:16
was
29:16
looking
29:17
for
29:17
specifically
29:18
when
29:19
I
29:20
did
29:20
my
29:20
research.
29:21
Whether
29:22
or
29:22
not
29:22
there
29:23
were
29:23
any
29:23
undertones,
29:24
whether
29:25
or
29:25
not
29:25
there
29:25
was
29:25
any
29:25
reason
29:26
to
29:26
believe
29:27
prior
29:28
to
29:28
June
29:29
of
29:29
1940,
29:30
when
29:30
the
29:30
whole
29:31
thing
29:31
exploded.
29:32
If
29:33
this
29:33
was
29:33
bubbling
29:34
under
29:35
at
29:35
any
29:35
point,
29:37
I
29:38
didn't
29:38
detect
29:39
anything
29:41
in
29:41
the
29:41
research
29:42
I
29:42
did
29:42
from,
29:43
from
29:44
1939,
29:46
although
29:47
when
29:48
Vit
29:49
was
29:49
rehired,
29:51
he
29:51
was
29:52
asked
29:52
about
29:54
rumors
29:55
that
29:56
he
29:56
didn't
29:56
get
29:56
along
29:57
with
29:57
some
29:58
of
29:58
his
29:58
players,
29:59
and
30:00
he
30:00
conceded.
30:01
I
30:01
have
30:02
had
30:02
problems
30:03
with
30:03
some
30:03
of
30:03
these
30:04
guys,
30:05
but
30:05
I'm
30:05
in
30:06
charge
30:06
here,
30:07
and
30:07
they're
30:08
just
30:08
going
30:08
to
30:08
have
30:08
to
30:08
do
30:09
things
30:10
my
30:10
way.
30:11
And
30:12
that
30:12
was
30:12
the
30:12
end
30:13
of
30:13
that
30:14
discussion.
30:14
Nobody
30:15
specifically
30:16
was
30:17
discussed,
30:18
but
30:18
Vit
30:19
was
30:19
obviously
30:20
aware
30:20
of
30:20
it.
30:21
I
30:21
think
30:22
management
30:23
was
30:23
aware
30:24
of
30:24
it,
30:26
and
30:26
they
30:27
put
30:27
their
30:27
money
30:27
where
30:28
the
30:28
mouth
30:28
was
30:28
and
30:28
said,
30:29
vit's
30:29
in
30:29
charge.
30:30
So
30:30
those
30:30
of
30:31
you
30:31
who
30:31
are
30:31
not
30:31
happy
30:32
with
30:32
this,
30:33
too
30:33
bad.
30:34
You're
30:34
going
30:34
to
30:34
have
30:34
to
30:35
live
30:35
with
30:35
it.
30:35
This
30:35
is
30:35
a
30:35
different
30:36
era.
30:37
Yeah.
30:37
Sports.
30:38
Gary,
30:39
can
30:39
you,
30:39
can
30:39
you
30:40
explain
30:42
some
30:43
of
30:43
the
30:43
things
30:43
that
30:44
he
30:44
did
30:46
that,
30:46
that
30:47
upset
30:47
the
30:47
players
30:48
that
30:49
they
30:50
considered,
30:52
maybe
30:52
considered
30:52
were
30:53
out
30:53
of
30:53
line?
30:54
Like
30:54
what,
30:55
what
30:55
was.
30:56
Was
30:56
it
30:57
just
30:57
the
30:57
way
30:57
he
30:58
spoke
30:58
to
30:58
them?
30:59
What
30:59
were
30:59
the
31:00
things
31:00
that,
31:01
that
31:01
he
31:02
did?
31:02
If
31:02
you
31:02
could
31:03
enlighten
31:03
us,
31:05
largely,
31:06
it
31:07
was
31:07
verbal.
31:10
And
31:11
I
31:12
go
31:12
into
31:13
a
31:13
lot
31:13
of
31:13
detail
31:14
about
31:15
this
31:16
in
31:16
the,
31:17
the
31:17
book,
31:18
but
31:19
it
31:19
was
31:19
largely
31:21
verbal.
31:22
In
31:22
fact,
31:23
when
31:24
Vit
31:24
was
31:24
hired,
31:26
one
31:26
of
31:26
the
31:26
jokes
31:27
among
31:27
the
31:28
the
31:28
Cleveland
31:28
media
31:29
was
31:29
he
31:30
never
31:30
met
31:31
a
31:31
microphone
31:32
or
31:32
a
31:32
pad
31:33
and
31:33
a
31:33
pencil
31:34
he
31:34
didn't
31:34
like.
31:35
He
31:35
loved
31:36
to
31:36
talk
31:38
to
31:38
the
31:38
extent
31:39
that
31:39
Bradley
31:40
once
31:41
told
31:41
him,
31:42
oscar,
31:43
you
31:43
talk
31:44
too
31:44
much
31:44
and
31:45
it's
31:45
gonna
31:45
get
31:46
you
31:46
in
31:47
trouble.
31:48
And
31:49
eventually
31:50
it
31:50
did.
31:52
When
31:52
the
31:52
rebellion
31:53
took
31:53
place
31:54
on
31:55
June
31:55
13th
31:56
of
31:56
1940,
31:57
all
31:58
of
31:58
Cleveland's
31:58
newspapers
31:59
printed
32:00
a
32:00
laundry
32:00
list
32:01
of
32:01
the
32:01
complaints
32:02
that
32:02
were
32:02
made
32:03
by
32:03
the
32:04
players
32:05
to
32:05
Bradley.
32:07
Most
32:07
of
32:08
the
32:08
things
32:08
they
32:08
complained
32:09
about
32:09
were
32:11
verbal
32:11
abuse.
32:14
There
32:14
is
32:15
one
32:16
famous
32:17
story
32:18
here
32:18
in
32:19
Cleveland,
32:19
the
32:19
legend
32:20
goes,
32:21
and
32:22
I
32:22
was
32:22
able
32:22
to
32:22
confirm
32:23
this
32:23
through
32:23
my
32:24
research,
32:24
although
32:25
the
32:25
exact
32:26
quote
32:26
I
32:27
Couldn't
32:27
nail
32:28
down.
32:28
There
32:28
were
32:28
two
32:30
different
32:31
versions
32:32
of
32:32
the
32:32
most
32:33
incendiary
32:34
of
32:35
quotes.
32:36
But
32:37
what
32:37
eventually
32:38
pushed
32:39
the
32:39
players
32:39
over
32:40
the
32:40
edge?
32:40
The
32:40
straw
32:41
that
32:41
broke
32:41
the
32:42
camel's
32:42
back
32:45
in.
32:45
I
32:46
think
32:46
it
32:46
was
32:46
like
32:46
June
32:46
10th
32:47
or
32:47
11th.
32:48
The
32:48
Indians
32:48
were
32:49
wrapping
32:49
up
32:49
a
32:50
road
32:50
trip
32:51
in
32:51
Boston,
32:53
and
32:53
Bob
32:54
Feller
32:54
was
32:54
pitching.
32:55
Feller
32:56
at
32:56
this
32:56
time
32:56
was
32:57
21
32:57
years
32:58
old
32:58
and
32:58
already
32:59
the
32:59
best
32:59
pitcher
33:00
in
33:01
the
33:01
American
33:01
League.
33:02
Led
33:02
the
33:02
league
33:03
in
33:03
almost
33:03
Every
33:04
category
33:04
of
33:04
1940.
33:05
Won
33:06
27
33:07
games,
33:08
pitched
33:08
in
33:09
relief.
33:09
In
33:09
addition
33:10
to
33:10
starting
33:12
in
33:12
this
33:12
game
33:13
at
33:14
Fenway
33:14
Park,
33:15
Feller
33:16
was
33:16
pitching
33:16
with
33:17
bruised
33:17
ribs.
33:19
Everything
33:20
that
33:20
I
33:20
have
33:21
learned
33:21
from
33:22
my
33:22
research
33:22
indicated
33:23
that
33:23
Vit
33:24
knew
33:24
Feller
33:25
was
33:25
pitching
33:25
hurt,
33:26
but
33:27
he
33:27
was
33:27
out
33:27
there
33:27
anyway
33:28
giving
33:29
it
33:29
his
33:29
best
33:29
effort,
33:31
and
33:31
it
33:32
wasn't
33:32
good
33:32
enough.
33:32
The
33:32
Red
33:33
Sox
33:33
were
33:33
knocking
33:34
him
33:34
all
33:34
over
33:35
the
33:35
park.
33:37
And
33:38
supposedly
33:40
Vit
33:41
said
33:42
to
33:42
no
33:42
one
33:42
in
33:43
particular.
33:43
I
33:43
mean,
33:43
many
33:43
of
33:44
his
33:44
comments
33:44
were
33:44
just
33:45
made
33:45
to
33:45
no
33:45
one
33:46
in
33:46
particular.
33:46
He
33:47
was
33:47
standing
33:47
there
33:47
in
33:48
the
33:48
dugout
33:49
talking
33:49
to
33:50
himself.
33:50
But
33:50
the
33:51
players
33:51
heard
33:51
it,
33:52
and
33:52
certainly
33:53
he
33:53
knew
33:53
the
33:54
players.
33:55
We're
33:55
going
33:55
to
33:55
hear
33:55
it.
33:56
So
33:56
Feller
33:57
is
33:57
out
33:57
there
33:57
pitching
33:58
with
33:58
bruised
33:58
ribs
33:59
and
33:59
getting
34:00
knocked
34:00
around
34:00
by
34:01
the
34:01
Red
34:01
Sox.
34:02
And
34:03
Vit
34:03
says
34:04
to
34:04
no
34:05
one
34:05
in
34:05
particular,
34:06
there
34:07
he
34:07
is.
34:08
There
34:08
is
34:08
my
34:09
star,
34:09
the
34:10
great
34:10
Feller.
34:11
I'm
34:11
supposed
34:12
to
34:12
win
34:12
a
34:12
pennant
34:13
with
34:13
him.
34:15
And
34:15
that
34:16
was
34:16
the
34:16
quote
34:17
that
34:17
pushed
34:18
the
34:18
players
34:18
over
34:19
the
34:19
edge.
34:19
And
34:20
they
34:20
decided,
34:20
this
34:21
guy
34:21
has
34:22
got
34:22
to
34:22
go.
34:22
Because
34:23
as
34:23
young
34:23
as
34:23
he
34:24
was,
34:24
Feller
34:24
had
34:24
a
34:25
lot
34:25
of
34:25
respect
34:26
among
34:26
his
34:26
teammates.
34:27
They
34:27
knew
34:27
he
34:27
was
34:28
out
34:28
there
34:28
hurt
34:28
and
34:29
given
34:29
it
34:29
his
34:30
best
34:30
shot.
34:31
And
34:31
on
34:31
this
34:32
day,
34:32
it
34:32
just
34:32
wasn't
34:33
good
34:33
enough.
34:33
And
34:34
instead
34:34
of
34:34
it
34:34
being
34:35
sympathetic
34:36
and
34:36
being
34:36
grateful
34:37
that
34:37
my
34:37
star
34:37
pitcher
34:38
is
34:38
out
34:38
there
34:38
giving
34:39
me
34:39
the
34:39
best
34:39
he's
34:39
got
34:40
when
34:40
I
34:40
know
34:40
he's
34:40
hurt,
34:41
instead
34:41
he's
34:42
criticizing
34:42
this
34:43
guy.
34:43
I
34:44
can't
34:44
win
34:44
a
34:44
pennant
34:44
with
34:45
this
34:45
guy.
34:46
And
34:46
that
34:47
was
34:47
more
34:48
than
34:48
they
34:48
could
34:48
take.
34:48
There
34:49
had
34:49
also
34:49
been
34:49
an
34:49
incident
34:50
in
34:50
that
34:50
same
34:50
game.
34:52
I
34:52
think
34:52
it
34:52
was
34:52
the
34:53
same
34:53
game.
34:53
Might
34:53
have
34:53
been
34:54
the
34:54
game
34:54
before
34:55
Mel
34:56
Harder.
34:56
Well,
34:57
that's
34:57
where
34:57
I
34:57
was
34:57
going
34:57
next.
34:58
Yes,
34:59
Mel
35:00
Harder.
35:00
Because
35:01
I
35:01
think
35:02
that's
35:02
what
35:03
really
35:04
ignited
35:05
all
35:05
the
35:05
anger.
35:07
And
35:07
it
35:07
very
35:07
well
35:08
could
35:08
have
35:08
been
35:08
because
35:09
Harder
35:09
was
35:10
a
35:10
respected
35:11
veteran.
35:11
He'd
35:11
been
35:11
with
35:12
the
35:12
Indians
35:12
since
35:13
1928.
35:15
He
35:15
had
35:15
won
35:16
15
35:16
games
35:17
for.
35:17
I
35:18
forget
35:18
exactly
35:18
how
35:19
many
35:19
consecutive
35:19
seasons.
35:20
I
35:20
think,
35:20
like,
35:20
every
35:21
year
35:21
since
35:21
1932,
35:22
he
35:22
had
35:22
won
35:23
at
35:23
least
35:23
15
35:24
games.
35:25
He
35:25
had
35:26
suffered
35:26
a
35:26
arm
35:27
injury.
35:27
The
35:27
year
35:28
before
35:28
was
35:29
brought
35:29
along
35:30
slowly
35:31
in
35:31
spring
35:32
training.
35:33
In
35:33
fact,
35:33
to
35:34
listen
35:34
to
35:34
Vitt's
35:35
comments,
35:35
to
35:36
read
35:36
Vitt's
35:37
comments
35:37
during
35:37
spring
35:38
training,
35:38
he
35:38
certainly
35:39
didn't
35:39
sound
35:39
like
35:40
the
35:40
ogre,
35:41
the
35:41
monster
35:41
that
35:42
the
35:42
player
35:42
made
35:42
him
35:43
out
35:43
to
35:43
be,
35:43
because
35:43
throughout
35:44
spring
35:45
training,
35:45
it
35:45
was
35:45
like,
35:45
Mel
35:46
is
35:46
going
35:46
to
35:46
set
35:46
his
35:47
own
35:47
agenda.
35:48
Mel
35:48
is
35:48
going
35:48
to
35:48
decide
35:49
when
35:49
he
35:49
pitches.
35:50
I'm
35:50
not
35:50
going
35:50
to
35:51
send
35:51
him
35:51
out
35:51
there
35:51
unless
35:52
he
35:52
says
35:52
he's
35:53
ready
35:53
to
35:53
pitch.
35:54
And
35:54
he
35:54
will
35:55
come
35:55
back
35:56
in
35:56
his
35:56
own
35:57
good
35:57
time
35:57
when
35:58
he's
35:59
ready.
35:59
Being
35:59
shown
36:00
the
36:00
respect
36:00
that
36:01
a
36:01
veteran
36:01
such
36:02
as
36:02
Harder
36:03
had
36:03
earned.
36:04
But
36:04
in
36:05
this
36:05
series
36:05
in
36:06
Fenway
36:06
Park,
36:07
Harder
36:08
had
36:08
been
36:08
knocked
36:08
around.
36:09
And
36:10
when
36:10
he
36:10
came
36:10
back
36:11
to
36:11
the
36:11
dugout,
36:12
Vit
36:12
allegedly
36:13
said
36:13
something
36:14
to
36:14
the
36:14
effect
36:14
that
36:16
it's
36:16
about
36:16
time
36:17
you
36:17
start
36:17
earning
36:17
that
36:18
big
36:18
salary
36:18
you're
36:19
getting
36:19
paid.
36:21
And
36:21
Harder
36:21
just
36:22
looked
36:22
at
36:22
him
36:22
and
36:22
said,
36:22
I'm
36:23
giving
36:23
you
36:23
the
36:23
best
36:24
I
36:24
have.
36:25
And
36:25
for
36:26
him
36:26
to
36:26
attack
36:26
a
36:27
respected
36:27
veteran
36:28
like
36:28
Harder,
36:29
that
36:30
may
36:30
have
36:30
been
36:31
the
36:31
inciting
36:31
incident
36:32
rather
36:32
than
36:32
the
36:33
put
36:33
those
36:33
two
36:34
together.
36:34
He
36:35
attacks
36:35
Harder,
36:36
he
36:36
attacks
36:36
Feller,
36:37
and
36:37
the
36:38
players
36:38
have
36:38
had
36:39
enough
36:39
at
36:39
that
36:39
point.
36:40
Yeah,
36:41
Harder,
36:42
by
36:42
the
36:42
way,
36:42
in
36:42
32,
36:43
starting
36:43
in
36:44
1932,
36:45
15
36:45
and
36:46
13,
36:46
15
36:46
and
36:47
17,
36:47
20
36:47
and
36:48
12,
36:48
22
36:48
and
36:49
11,
36:49
15
36:49
and
36:50
15,
36:51
15
36:52
and
36:52
12,
36:52
17
36:53
and
36:53
10,
36:54
15
36:55
and
36:55
9.
36:55
So,
36:56
yeah,
36:56
he
36:56
was
36:56
as
36:57
consistent
36:58
and
36:58
as
36:58
good
36:59
as.
36:59
As.
37:00
As
37:00
you
37:01
can
37:01
expect.
37:03
So
37:04
how
37:04
did
37:04
the
37:05
team
37:05
respond
37:07
to
37:07
the
37:08
Feller
37:08
incident
37:09
and
37:09
the
37:09
Harder
37:10
incident?
37:11
And
37:11
what
37:11
was
37:11
it
37:12
about
37:12
these
37:13
two
37:13
particular
37:14
incidents
37:15
that
37:16
finally,
37:16
as
37:16
you
37:17
said,
37:17
broke
37:19
the.
37:19
The
37:19
straw
37:20
that
37:20
broke
37:20
the
37:20
camel's
37:21
back,
37:21
and
37:21
they
37:22
said,
37:22
that's
37:23
it,
37:23
we've
37:24
had
37:24
it
37:27
going
37:27
to
37:27
management
37:27
and
37:28
we're
37:28
getting
37:28
you
37:29
fired.
37:31
Well,
37:31
again,
37:31
I
37:31
think,
37:32
as
37:32
I
37:32
said,
37:32
it
37:32
was
37:32
because
37:33
of
37:33
the
37:33
stature
37:34
of
37:34
the
37:34
two
37:34
players
37:35
being
37:35
attacked
37:37
and
37:38
Harder
37:38
coming
37:39
off
37:40
an
37:40
arm
37:40
injury.
37:41
Obviously,
37:42
the
37:43
techniques
37:44
for
37:45
treating
37:45
arm
37:46
injuries
37:46
in
37:47
1939
37:48
and
37:48
1940
37:50
were
37:50
not
37:50
as
37:51
sophisticated
37:52
as
37:52
they
37:52
are
37:53
today.
37:55
So
37:55
your
37:55
star
37:56
player
37:56
and
37:57
your
37:57
highly
37:58
respected
37:58
veteran,
37:59
you
37:59
have
37:59
just
38:00
embarrassed
38:01
both
38:01
of
38:01
them
38:02
in.
38:03
Well,
38:03
he
38:04
didn't
38:04
embarrass
38:04
Feller
38:05
in
38:05
front
38:05
of
38:05
the
38:06
rest
38:06
of
38:06
the
38:06
team
38:06
because
38:06
Feller
38:07
is
38:07
out
38:07
there
38:07
on
38:07
the
38:07
mound
38:07
and
38:08
can't
38:08
hear
38:08
this.
38:09
But
38:09
Harder,
38:10
to
38:10
his
38:10
face,
38:11
has
38:11
just
38:12
been
38:13
embarrassed,
38:14
maybe
38:15
even
38:16
accused
38:16
of.
38:17
Maybe
38:18
Harder
38:18
took
38:18
it
38:18
to
38:19
mean
38:19
you're
38:19
not
38:19
trying
38:20
to.
38:20
You're
38:21
not
38:21
giving
38:21
me
38:21
the
38:21
best
38:21
you
38:22
got.
38:22
You
38:22
can
38:23
do
38:23
better
38:23
than
38:23
this.
38:24
The
38:24
stature
38:24
of
38:25
the
38:25
two
38:25
people
38:25
that
38:26
are
38:26
being
38:26
denigrated
38:27
here,
38:29
I
38:29
mean,
38:29
if
38:30
Vid
38:30
is
38:30
going
38:30
to
38:31
say
38:31
these
38:31
things
38:31
about
38:32
these
38:32
guys,
38:33
he's
38:33
going
38:33
to
38:33
say
38:34
anything
38:34
about
38:35
anybody.
38:36
And
38:36
that
38:37
was
38:38
another
38:38
of
38:38
the
38:38
complaints
38:40
against
38:40
him.
38:40
Notice
38:41
that
38:41
he's
38:41
making
38:42
this
38:42
Derogatory
38:43
comment
38:43
about
38:43
Feller.
38:44
With
38:44
Feller
38:45
well
38:45
out
38:45
of
38:45
earshot.
38:47
The
38:47
players
38:47
insisted
38:48
that
38:48
this
38:48
had
38:48
been
38:48
a
38:48
pattern
38:49
of
38:49
behavior
38:50
since
38:50
Vit
38:51
took
38:51
over.
38:51
What
38:52
he
38:52
said
38:52
to
38:53
their
38:53
face
38:54
and
38:54
what
38:54
he
38:54
said
38:55
behind
38:55
their
38:55
backs
38:56
were
38:56
often
38:57
two
38:57
very
38:57
different
38:58
things.
38:58
And
38:58
word
38:59
eventually
38:59
got
39:00
back
39:00
to
39:00
them
39:01
when
39:01
he
39:01
was
39:01
insulting
39:02
them,
39:03
denigrating
39:03
them
39:04
behind
39:04
their
39:05
backs.
39:06
How
39:07
much
39:08
influence
39:10
do
39:10
you
39:11
think
39:11
his
39:11
playing
39:12
days.
39:12
I
39:12
think
39:13
I
39:13
asked
39:13
this
39:13
before
39:14
with
39:14
Ty
39:15
Cobb
39:16
affected
39:18
his.
39:21
His
39:21
demeanor,
39:22
in
39:22
other
39:23
words.
39:24
Were
39:25
there
39:25
any
39:26
general
39:29
generational
39:32
differences
39:33
at
39:33
play
39:33
here?
39:34
I
39:34
mean,
39:34
Vic
39:34
played
39:36
in
39:36
the
39:36
dead
39:37
ball
39:37
era
39:38
with
39:39
one
39:39
of
39:39
the
39:41
baseball's
39:43
fiercest
39:44
competitors.
39:46
A
39:46
guy
39:47
who
39:47
would
39:47
do
39:48
anything
39:49
and
39:49
everything
39:50
possible
39:51
to
39:52
win
39:52
a
39:52
game
39:53
in
39:53
Tai
39:54
Cob.
39:56
And
39:57
these
39:57
players
39:58
he's
39:58
now
39:59
managing.
40:01
I
40:01
don't
40:01
know
40:02
how
40:02
many
40:02
players
40:02
over
40:03
the
40:03
course
40:04
of
40:04
history
40:05
had
40:05
that
40:05
same
40:06
spirit
40:07
as
40:07
Ty
40:08
Cobb
40:08
did.
40:09
How
40:09
much
40:10
did
40:10
that
40:10
play
40:11
a
40:11
role
40:12
in
40:12
how
40:14
Vitt's
40:14
demeanor
40:15
as
40:15
a
40:15
manager?
40:17
Well,
40:18
you
40:18
have
40:18
to
40:18
consider
40:19
how
40:19
many
40:19
years
40:20
they
40:20
were
40:21
teammates.
40:22
Certainly
40:23
some
40:23
of
40:24
Cobb's
40:24
demeanor
40:25
must
40:26
have
40:26
rubbed
40:26
off
40:27
on
40:27
Vit.
40:28
Consider
40:29
the
40:29
fact
40:30
that
40:31
Cobb
40:32
could
40:32
have
40:32
stayed
40:32
in
40:32
the
40:33
game
40:33
simply
40:34
based
40:34
on
40:35
his
40:35
sheer
40:35
talent.
40:36
Now,
40:36
he
40:36
drove
40:37
himself
40:38
to
40:38
be
40:39
as
40:39
great
40:40
as
40:40
he
40:40
was.
40:41
Maybe
40:41
if
40:41
he
40:42
hadn't
40:42
driven
40:42
himself,
40:43
he
40:43
would
40:43
have
40:43
had
40:43
a.330
40:44
lifetime
40:45
batting
40:45
average
40:46
instead
40:46
of.367.
40:47
Cobb
40:48
could
40:48
stay
40:48
in
40:48
the
40:49
game
40:49
on
40:49
sheer
40:49
talent,
40:50
but
40:50
that
40:50
wasn't
40:51
enough.
40:51
He
40:52
drove
40:52
himself
40:52
to
40:53
be
40:53
the
40:53
absolute
40:54
best
40:55
that
40:55
he
40:55
could
40:55
be.
40:56
Vit
40:57
was
40:57
probably
40:58
not
40:59
able
40:59
to
40:59
stay
40:59
in
40:59
the
41:00
game,
41:00
or
41:00
at
41:00
least
41:00
he
41:01
couldn't
41:01
advance
41:02
any
41:02
further
41:02
than
41:02
he
41:03
did
41:03
on
41:03
his
41:04
sheer
41:04
talent.
41:05
But
41:05
he
41:05
watched
41:06
Cobb
41:07
and
41:07
he
41:07
saw
41:07
what
41:08
Cobb
41:08
was
41:08
able
41:09
to
41:09
do
41:10
through
41:10
sheer
41:11
force
41:11
of
41:12
will.
41:14
And
41:14
as
41:14
a
41:15
manager,
41:16
I
41:17
would
41:17
think
41:17
he
41:17
probably
41:18
remembered
41:19
that
41:19
and
41:20
figured,
41:21
I
41:21
can
41:22
get
41:22
my
41:22
guys
41:23
to
41:23
do
41:23
better
41:24
than
41:24
they're
41:25
doing.
41:25
If
41:26
I
41:26
can
41:26
make
41:27
them
41:27
achieve
41:28
the
41:29
focus
41:30
that
41:30
Cobb
41:31
had.
41:32
How
41:32
do
41:32
I
41:32
make
41:33
them
41:34
do
41:34
that?
41:36
I'm
41:36
thinking
41:37
that
41:37
might
41:37
have
41:37
been
41:38
some
41:38
influence
41:39
on
41:39
his.
41:40
His
41:40
managerial
41:41
style.
41:43
And
41:43
everybody
41:44
is
41:44
going
41:44
to
41:44
respond
41:45
differently
41:46
to
41:47
that
41:47
kind
41:47
of
41:49
provocation
41:50
for.
41:51
For
41:51
lack
41:51
of
41:51
a
41:52
better
41:52
word,
41:52
that
41:53
kind
41:53
of
41:54
inspiration.
41:55
Some
41:55
players
41:56
are
41:56
going
41:56
to
41:56
run
41:56
through
41:57
a
41:57
brick
41:57
wall
41:57
for
41:58
you,
41:58
and
41:58
some
41:58
players
41:59
are
41:59
going
41:59
to
41:59
go
41:59
into
41:59
a
42:00
shell
42:00
and
42:01
you'll
42:01
never
42:02
get
42:02
them
42:02
out.
42:03
How
42:03
did
42:04
the
42:04
press
42:04
react
42:05
to
42:05
all
42:05
this
42:05
as
42:05
this
42:06
is
42:06
going
42:06
on?
42:07
I
42:07
mean,
42:08
did.
42:08
Did
42:09
Vit
42:10
make
42:10
comments
42:11
in
42:11
the
42:12
press
42:12
to
42:13
fuel
42:13
the
42:13
fire
42:14
even
42:14
more?
42:15
Did
42:16
players
42:16
make
42:17
comments?
42:17
How
42:18
did
42:18
all
42:18
that
42:18
work?
42:20
Well,
42:20
I
42:21
researched
42:22
1939
42:24
and
42:24
1940.
42:27
I
42:27
didn't
42:28
find
42:28
any
42:29
comments
42:30
in
42:30
any
42:30
of
42:31
the
42:31
Cleveland
42:31
papers.
42:33
From
42:34
Vit
42:35
denigrating
42:36
any
42:36
of
42:36
his
42:37
players.
42:37
He
42:38
did
42:38
not
42:38
do
42:39
this
42:40
in
42:40
the
42:40
press.
42:41
And
42:42
of
42:42
course,
42:43
the
42:43
press
42:43
was
42:44
basically
42:44
the
42:45
media
42:45
of
42:46
the
42:46
time.
42:46
Radio
42:47
certainly
42:47
existed.
42:48
And
42:49
I
42:49
would
42:49
have
42:49
no
42:49
way
42:50
of
42:50
knowing
42:51
what
42:51
Vit
42:52
might
42:52
have
42:52
said.
42:53
As
42:54
I
42:54
mentioned
42:54
earlier,
42:54
he
42:54
never
42:55
met
42:55
a
42:55
microphone
42:56
he
42:56
didn't
42:56
like.
42:57
So
42:57
what
42:58
he
42:58
may
42:58
have
42:58
said
42:59
to
43:00
radio,
43:01
I
43:01
don't
43:02
know.
43:02
But
43:03
in
43:03
the
43:03
newspapers,
43:04
as
43:05
I'm
43:05
doing
43:05
this
43:05
research,
43:06
I'm
43:06
kind
43:06
of
43:06
scratching
43:07
my
43:07
head
43:07
and
43:07
thinking,
43:08
wow,
43:08
what
43:08
this
43:09
guy
43:09
is
43:09
saying
43:10
just
43:10
doesn't
43:11
seem
43:11
to
43:11
jive
43:12
with
43:12
what
43:13
eventually
43:13
happened.
43:14
As
43:14
I
43:14
mentioned,
43:15
during
43:15
spring
43:15
training,
43:16
he's
43:16
talking
43:16
about
43:17
how
43:17
harder
43:18
can
43:18
set
43:18
his
43:18
own
43:19
agenda.
43:20
And
43:21
in
43:21
spring
43:21
training,
43:22
Vit
43:23
said,
43:23
you
43:24
know,
43:24
my
43:24
problem
43:24
with
43:24
Feller
43:25
is
43:25
he
43:26
works
43:26
too
43:27
hard.
43:27
I
43:28
can't
43:28
get
43:28
him
43:28
to
43:29
cut
43:29
back.
43:29
He
43:29
wants
43:30
to
43:30
throw
43:30
every
43:30
day,
43:31
he
43:31
wants
43:31
to
43:32
exercise
43:32
every
43:33
day.
43:33
I
43:33
can't
43:34
get
43:34
this
43:34
kid
43:35
to
43:35
cut
43:35
back.
43:36
The
43:37
things
43:37
that
43:37
he
43:37
was
43:38
saying,
43:38
he
43:39
talked
43:39
about
43:40
not
43:40
mentioning
43:41
any
43:41
names,
43:42
but
43:42
he
43:42
talked
43:42
about
43:43
a
43:43
certain
43:44
player
43:45
that
43:45
he
43:45
was
43:45
certain
43:46
had
43:46
had
43:46
a
43:46
change
43:47
of
43:47
heart
43:48
over
43:49
the
43:49
off
43:50
season
43:50
and
43:50
was
43:50
going
43:51
to
43:51
come
43:51
into
43:51
camp
43:52
with
43:52
a
43:52
new
43:53
attitude.
43:54
Well,
43:54
everybody
43:55
knew
43:55
that
43:55
was
43:55
Jeff
43:56
Heath.
43:57
So
43:57
he's
43:57
not
43:57
putting
43:58
these
43:58
guys
43:58
down
43:59
in
44:00
the
44:00
press.
44:01
He's
44:01
talking
44:02
them
44:02
up
44:03
in
44:03
the
44:03
press,
44:04
which
44:04
I
44:04
guess
44:05
was
44:05
another
44:05
one
44:05
of
44:06
the
44:06
players
44:06
problems.
44:07
He
44:07
talks
44:07
us
44:07
up
44:08
to
44:08
the
44:08
media,
44:08
but
44:09
behind
44:09
our
44:09
backs,
44:10
he.
44:11
He
44:11
knifes
44:12
us.
44:12
That
44:13
was
44:13
another
44:13
one
44:13
of
44:13
their.
44:14
Their
44:14
complaints.
44:16
So
44:16
the
44:17
incident
44:17
with
44:17
Feller,
44:18
the
44:18
incident
44:19
with
44:19
Harder,
44:20
they've
44:20
had
44:20
enough.
44:22
They
44:22
want
44:22
him
44:22
out
44:23
of
44:23
there,
44:23
and
44:24
they
44:24
go
44:24
see
44:25
the
44:26
team
44:26
owner,
44:26
Alva
44:27
Bradley,
44:28
and
44:28
the
44:28
GM
44:29
size
44:29
Slapnica
44:30
or
44:31
something.
44:34
Tell
44:34
us
44:35
about
44:35
that
44:35
meeting.
44:38
Well,
44:39
a
44:40
few
44:40
days
44:40
before
44:41
that
44:42
meeting,
44:44
Hal
44:45
Trotsky,
44:45
who
44:45
was
44:46
the
44:46
team's
44:46
first
44:47
baseman,
44:48
an
44:49
unfortunate
44:50
fellow
44:50
because
44:51
he
44:51
was
44:52
forced
44:52
to
44:52
leave
44:52
the
44:52
game
44:53
due
44:53
to
44:53
migraine
44:54
headaches.
44:54
Here
44:54
was
44:54
a
44:55
guy
44:55
who
44:55
was
44:56
on
44:56
the
44:56
pace
44:56
for
44:56
a
44:56
Hall
44:57
of
44:57
Fame.
44:57
You
44:57
look
44:57
at
44:57
his
44:58
numbers
44:58
in
44:58
the
44:58
mid
44:58
and
44:59
late
44:59
30s,
44:59
and
45:00
if
45:00
this
45:00
guy
45:00
had
45:00
continued
45:01
to
45:01
produce
45:01
at
45:01
that
45:02
pace,
45:02
he
45:03
was
45:03
going
45:03
to
45:03
the
45:03
hall
45:03
of
45:04
Fame.
45:04
I
45:05
did
45:05
a
45:05
show
45:05
on
45:06
a
45:07
while
45:07
back,
45:08
and
45:08
you're
45:08
right.
45:09
I
45:09
mean,
45:09
Hal
45:10
Trotsky
45:11
had
45:11
one
45:12
heck
45:12
of
45:12
a
45:13
career.
45:15
And
45:15
if
45:15
it
45:15
wasn't
45:16
for
45:16
guys
45:16
like
45:17
Babe
45:18
Ruth
45:18
and
45:18
Lou
45:19
Gehrig,
45:19
we
45:19
all
45:20
might
45:20
know
45:20
a
45:20
little
45:21
bit
45:21
more
45:21
about
45:21
Hal
45:22
Trotsky.
45:23
We
45:23
might.
45:23
And
45:23
if
45:23
he
45:24
hadn't
45:24
played
45:24
in
45:24
Cleveland
45:25
or
45:25
had
45:25
played
45:25
in
45:26
a
45:26
bigger
45:27
market
45:27
like
45:27
New
45:28
York
45:28
or
45:28
Chicago,
45:29
we
45:29
might
45:29
have
45:29
heard
45:30
a
45:30
lot
45:30
more
45:30
about
45:31
him.
45:31
Now,
45:32
Trotsky
45:33
has
45:34
through
45:34
the
45:34
years
45:34
gained
45:35
and
45:35
even,
45:35
even
45:35
in
45:36
1940
45:36
had
45:37
the
45:37
reputation
45:37
of
45:37
being
45:38
the
45:38
ringleader
45:39
of
45:39
this
45:40
revolt.
45:41
He
45:41
said,
45:42
no,
45:42
I
45:42
wasn't.
45:43
I
45:43
was
45:43
vocal,
45:44
but
45:44
I
45:44
didn't
45:45
do
45:45
any
45:45
more
45:45
or
45:46
say
45:46
any
45:46
more
45:46
than
45:46
anybody
45:47
else
45:47
did.
45:47
But
45:47
this
45:48
thing
45:48
seems
45:48
to
45:49
have
45:49
been
45:49
pinned
45:49
on
45:50
me.
45:51
But
45:51
a
45:51
couple
45:52
of
45:52
nights
45:52
before
45:54
the
45:54
revolt,
45:56
probably
45:56
this
45:57
would
45:57
have
45:57
been
45:57
after
45:57
the
45:58
harder
45:59
incident
46:00
with
46:00
the
46:00
Indians.
46:01
In
46:01
Boston,
46:02
Trotsky
46:03
met
46:03
with
46:04
Frank
46:04
Gibbons,
46:05
who
46:05
was
46:05
the
46:05
baseball
46:06
writer
46:06
for
46:07
the
46:07
Cleveland
46:07
Press,
46:09
and
46:09
said,
46:09
hey,
46:10
let's
46:10
go
46:10
to
46:10
the
46:10
bar
46:10
and
46:10
have
46:11
a
46:11
drink.
46:11
I
46:11
want
46:11
to
46:12
have
46:12
a
46:12
chat
46:12
with
46:12
you.
46:14
And
46:14
in
46:14
the
46:14
bar,
46:15
Trotsky
46:16
said,
46:16
when
46:16
we
46:16
get
46:17
back
46:17
home,
46:18
we're
46:18
going
46:18
to
46:18
go
46:18
to
46:18
Mr.
46:19
Bradley
46:20
and
46:20
we're
46:20
going
46:20
to
46:20
tell
46:21
him
46:21
we
46:21
want
46:22
Vit
46:23
out.
46:23
We
46:24
can't
46:24
stand
46:25
playing
46:25
for
46:26
him
46:26
anymore.
46:28
And
46:29
Gibbons
46:30
and
46:31
I
46:31
mentioned
46:31
this
46:31
in
46:32
the
46:32
book.
46:33
I.
46:33
I
46:33
don't
46:33
know
46:33
if
46:34
it's
46:34
to
46:34
his
46:34
credit
46:35
or
46:35
not.
46:35
I
46:36
think
46:36
it
46:36
probably
46:36
is.
46:37
Gibbons
46:38
had
46:38
just
46:38
been
46:39
handed
46:39
the
46:39
greatest
46:40
scoop
46:40
of
46:40
his
46:40
sports
46:41
writing
46:41
career.
46:42
Trotsky
46:43
had
46:43
just
46:43
told
46:43
him,
46:44
we're
46:44
going
46:44
to
46:44
rebel.
46:45
We're
46:45
going
46:45
to
46:46
demand
46:46
that
46:46
Vic
46:47
be
46:47
fired.
46:47
And
46:48
instead
46:48
of
46:48
that
46:48
showing
46:48
up
46:49
on
46:49
the
46:49
front
46:49
page
46:49
of
46:50
the
46:50
Cleveland
46:50
Press
46:51
the
46:51
next
46:51
day,
46:52
Gibbons,
46:54
to
46:54
his
46:54
credit,
46:54
I
46:55
suppose,
46:56
tried
46:57
to
46:57
be
46:57
the
46:57
voice
46:58
of
46:58
reason
46:58
and
46:58
said,
46:58
look,
46:59
Hal,
46:59
you
46:59
better
47:00
think
47:00
about
47:00
this
47:01
some
47:01
more.
47:02
I'm
47:02
not
47:02
sure
47:03
you
47:03
realize
47:04
the
47:04
ramifications
47:05
of
47:05
what
47:06
you
47:06
are
47:06
planning
47:07
to
47:07
do,
47:08
but
47:08
you
47:08
really
47:09
better
47:10
think
47:10
about
47:10
this
47:11
a
47:11
little
47:12
more.
47:14
And
47:14
Trotsky
47:15
said,
47:16
okay,
47:17
we
47:17
will
47:17
think
47:18
about
47:18
it.
47:18
And
47:19
then
47:19
came
47:19
the
47:19
Feller
47:20
incident,
47:20
and
47:20
there
47:21
was
47:21
no
47:21
more
47:22
thinking
47:22
about
47:23
it.
47:23
But
47:24
the
47:24
players
47:25
or
47:25
Trotsky
47:27
had
47:27
been
47:28
warned
47:28
by
47:29
Gibbons,
47:30
you
47:31
may
47:31
not
47:31
realize
47:32
what
47:32
you're
47:32
doing
47:32
here.
47:33
Nothing
47:33
like
47:33
this
47:34
has
47:34
ever
47:34
been
47:35
done
47:35
before.
47:37
And
47:38
you
47:38
better
47:38
fully
47:39
realize
47:40
the
47:40
can
47:40
of
47:41
worms
47:41
that
47:41
you're
47:41
opening
47:42
up,
47:42
the
47:42
hornet's
47:43
nest
47:43
that
47:43
you
47:43
are
47:44
going
47:44
to
47:44
be
47:44
walking
47:45
into.
47:46
When
47:47
the
47:47
players
47:47
met
47:48
with
47:48
Bradley,
47:50
he
47:51
told
47:51
them,
47:52
I
47:52
really
47:53
wish
47:53
you
47:53
would
47:53
have
47:54
thought
47:54
about
47:54
this
47:55
a
47:55
little
47:56
more.
47:57
I
47:57
don't
47:57
think
47:58
you
47:58
realize
47:59
again
48:00
the
48:00
can
48:00
of
48:00
worms
48:01
that
48:01
you're
48:01
opening
48:02
up,
48:02
but
48:03
this
48:04
is
48:04
going
48:05
to
48:05
affect
48:06
you
48:07
for
48:08
the
48:08
rest
48:08
of
48:08
your
48:09
career.
48:10
This
48:10
is
48:11
going
48:11
to
48:11
get
48:11
out.
48:12
You
48:12
want
48:13
to
48:13
keep
48:13
the
48:13
lid
48:14
on
48:14
this,
48:14
but
48:14
it's
48:15
not
48:15
going
48:15
to
48:15
happen.
48:16
And
48:16
of
48:16
course,
48:16
how
48:16
could
48:16
they
48:16
keep
48:17
the
48:17
lid
48:17
on
48:17
it?
48:17
They
48:17
told
48:17
Gibbons,
48:18
yeah,
48:19
sure,
48:19
couldn't
48:19
keep
48:20
the
48:20
lid
48:20
on
48:20
it.
48:21
You
48:21
don't
48:22
realize
48:22
that
48:23
this
48:23
is
48:24
going
48:24
to
48:24
affect
48:24
you
48:24
for
48:25
the
48:25
rest
48:25
of
48:25
your
48:25
career.
48:26
The
48:26
fans
48:27
will
48:27
never
48:28
let
48:28
you
48:28
forget
48:29
this.
48:30
And
48:30
this
48:30
is
48:30
where
48:30
we're
48:31
heading.
48:31
We're
48:31
heading
48:31
towards
48:32
the
48:32
Name
48:32
of
48:32
your
48:32
book,
48:33
you
48:33
know,
48:34
that
48:34
encompasses
48:35
the
48:35
word
48:35
cry
48:35
babies.
48:37
When
48:38
they
48:38
met
48:38
with
48:38
Bradley,
48:40
what
48:40
were
48:40
they
48:40
demanding?
48:41
Were
48:41
they
48:41
demanding
48:42
Bradley
48:43
and.
48:43
And.
48:44
And.
48:44
And
48:44
slap
48:44
the.
48:45
You
48:45
got
48:45
to
48:45
talk
48:46
to.
48:46
To
48:47
Vit
48:47
and
48:47
tell
48:48
him
48:48
to
48:49
back
48:49
off,
48:50
or
48:51
were
48:51
they
48:51
saying,
48:52
you
48:52
got.
48:53
You
48:53
got
48:54
to
48:54
get
48:54
rid
48:54
of
48:54
this
48:54
guy?
48:56
Well,
48:57
first
48:57
of
48:57
all,
48:58
Slapniko
48:59
was
48:59
not
48:59
involved
49:00
in
49:00
this
49:00
meeting,
49:01
okay?
49:02
And
49:02
Slapnika,
49:03
who
49:03
had
49:04
been
49:04
in
49:05
Vitt's
49:05
corner
49:05
when
49:06
he
49:06
was
49:06
originally
49:06
hired
49:07
by
49:07
1940,
49:08
he
49:09
disliked
49:10
Slapnika.
49:10
He
49:11
disliked
49:11
Vid
49:11
as
49:11
much
49:12
as
49:12
the
49:12
players
49:12
did.
49:13
In
49:14
fact,
49:14
I
49:14
even
49:15
note
49:15
in
49:16
the
49:16
final
49:16
chapter
49:17
of
49:17
the
49:17
book
49:18
that
49:18
there
49:18
is
49:19
some
49:19
reason
49:20
to
49:20
believe
49:21
Slapnika
49:22
goaded
49:23
the
49:23
players
49:24
into
49:24
meeting
49:24
with
49:25
Bradley.
49:26
Oh,
49:26
interesting.
49:27
Which
49:27
would
49:28
give
49:28
him,
49:28
as
49:29
general
49:29
manager,
49:30
either
49:31
an
49:31
opportunity
49:32
to
49:34
fire
49:35
Vit
49:36
or
49:36
at
49:37
least
49:37
encourage
49:38
Bradley
49:39
to
49:39
fire
49:40
Vit.
49:41
That's
49:42
never
49:42
been
49:42
proven,
49:43
but
49:43
there
49:43
are
49:44
some
49:44
who
49:44
believe
49:44
Slapnika
49:45
was
49:45
really
49:46
the
49:46
guy
49:46
behind
49:46
this.
49:47
He
49:47
wanted
49:48
to
49:48
fire
49:48
Vit,
49:49
and
49:50
this
49:50
would
49:50
give
49:50
him
49:51
the
49:51
reason
49:51
to
49:52
do
49:52
so.
49:52
Bradley
49:53
would
49:53
let
49:53
him
49:53
fire
49:54
Vit.
49:54
If
49:54
the
49:54
players
49:54
went
49:55
to
49:55
Bradley
49:55
and
49:55
said,
49:56
the
49:56
guy's
49:57
got
49:57
to
49:57
go.
49:57
So
49:58
that
49:58
was
49:58
what
49:58
they
49:58
did.
49:59
They
50:00
laid
50:00
their
50:01
cards
50:01
on
50:01
the
50:01
table.
50:02
They
50:03
said,
50:03
we
50:03
can't
50:04
play
50:05
winning
50:05
baseball
50:06
for
50:07
this
50:07
man.
50:08
We
50:09
demand.
50:10
At
50:10
least
50:10
that
50:10
was
50:11
what
50:11
the
50:11
newspapers
50:12
said.
50:13
We
50:13
demand
50:14
that
50:15
you
50:15
fire
50:15
him
50:16
immediately.
50:21
When.
50:23
So
50:23
we
50:23
know
50:24
how
50:24
Bradley
50:25
responded
50:26
by
50:26
saying,
50:27
you
50:27
guys
50:27
should
50:27
have
50:28
thought
50:28
about
50:28
this
50:28
before
50:29
coming
50:29
to
50:29
me.
50:30
You
50:30
should
50:31
have
50:31
talked
50:31
more
50:31
about
50:32
this.
50:33
How
50:33
did
50:34
Vit
50:35
react
50:36
when
50:37
he
50:37
learned
50:38
of
50:39
the
50:39
meeting?
50:40
How
50:40
did
50:40
Vit
50:42
react
50:43
in
50:43
the
50:43
dugout?
50:44
Did
50:44
he
50:45
just
50:45
stay
50:45
the
50:46
same?
50:46
Did
50:47
he
50:47
alter
50:48
his
50:48
managerial
50:49
style
50:50
to
50:50
be
50:50
more,
50:51
I
50:51
don't
50:52
know,
50:52
player
50:52
friendly?
50:53
Or
50:54
did
50:54
he
50:54
get
50:55
even
50:55
tougher
50:55
on
50:56
the
50:56
players?
50:58
That
50:58
was
50:58
something
50:59
I
50:59
was
50:59
really
51:00
looking
51:00
forward
51:01
to
51:01
finding
51:02
out.
51:02
How
51:03
do
51:03
you
51:03
respond
51:04
to
51:04
a
51:04
situation
51:05
like
51:05
this?
51:05
As
51:06
noted
51:06
earlier,
51:07
when
51:08
he
51:08
was
51:08
rehired,
51:09
he
51:09
acknowledged,
51:09
some
51:10
of
51:10
these
51:10
guys
51:10
don't
51:11
like
51:11
me,
51:11
but
51:11
that's
51:12
too
51:12
bad.
51:12
I'm
51:13
the
51:13
boss
51:14
and
51:14
I'm
51:14
calling
51:15
the
51:15
shots,
51:15
and
51:15
they'll
51:16
do
51:16
things
51:16
my
51:16
way.
51:17
So
51:17
it's
51:18
not
51:18
as
51:18
if
51:19
this
51:19
completely
51:20
blindsided
51:21
him.
51:21
It
51:21
couldn't
51:22
have.
51:24
In
51:24
fact,
51:24
how
51:25
he
51:25
found
51:25
out
51:25
about
51:26
it
51:27
was
51:27
really
51:27
quite
51:28
interesting.
51:29
June
51:29
13th
51:30
was
51:30
a
51:31
Thursday.
51:32
It
51:32
was
51:32
supposed
51:33
to
51:33
be
51:33
an
51:33
off
51:34
day.
51:35
But
51:35
the
51:35
Indians
51:36
had
51:36
a
51:37
whole
51:37
bunch
51:37
of
51:37
rain
51:38
outs
51:38
in
51:38
the
51:38
first
51:39
two
51:39
months
51:39
of
51:39
the
51:40
season.
51:41
So
51:41
the
51:42
Tigers
51:42
were
51:42
in
51:43
town
51:43
for
51:43
a
51:43
makeup
51:44
game
51:44
at
51:45
league
51:45
park
51:45
on
51:46
June
51:46
13.
51:47
In
51:47
the
51:48
afternoon,
51:49
the
51:49
players
51:49
met
51:50
with
51:51
Bradley.
51:52
In
51:52
the
51:52
morning.
51:55
Vit
51:55
managed
51:56
the
51:56
game
51:56
that
51:57
afternoon,
51:57
having
51:58
no
51:58
knowledge
51:59
that
51:59
the
51:59
players
52:00
had
52:00
talked
52:01
to
52:01
Bradley
52:03
after
52:04
the
52:04
game.
52:05
A
52:05
reporter.
52:06
I
52:06
don't
52:07
identify
52:07
the
52:08
reporter
52:08
in
52:08
the
52:08
book
52:08
because
52:09
I
52:09
don't
52:09
know
52:09
who
52:09
it
52:10
was.
52:10
The
52:10
reporter
52:11
was
52:11
not
52:11
identified.
52:12
But
52:13
after
52:13
the
52:13
game,
52:13
a
52:14
reporter
52:14
went
52:15
to
52:15
Vit
52:16
and
52:16
said,
52:17
well,
52:17
Ossi,
52:18
what
52:19
do
52:19
you
52:19
have
52:19
to
52:19
say
52:19
about
52:20
what
52:20
happened
52:20
this
52:21
morning?
52:22
And
52:22
Vid
52:23
had
52:23
no
52:23
idea
52:23
what
52:23
he
52:23
was
52:24
talking
52:24
about.
52:25
The
52:26
reporter
52:26
then
52:27
filled
52:27
Vid
52:28
in
52:28
on
52:29
the
52:29
meeting
52:30
with
52:30
Bradley.
52:32
So
52:32
Vit
52:32
calls
52:33
Bradley,
52:33
who
52:34
had
52:34
not
52:34
spoken
52:34
to
52:35
him
52:35
at
52:35
that
52:35
point,
52:37
and
52:38
Bradley
52:38
admits,
52:39
yeah,
52:39
the
52:39
players
52:40
talked
52:40
to
52:40
me.
52:40
I
52:41
was
52:41
going
52:41
to
52:41
talk
52:42
to
52:42
you
52:42
about
52:42
it
52:42
tomorrow,
52:43
but
52:43
I
52:43
wanted
52:44
to.
52:44
To
52:44
take
52:44
this
52:45
evening
52:45
to
52:45
consider
52:46
what
52:46
I
52:47
was
52:47
going
52:47
to
52:47
say
52:48
and
52:48
how
52:48
I
52:48
was
52:49
going
52:49
to
52:49
present
52:50
this
52:50
to
52:50
you.
52:51
But
52:52
you
52:52
found
52:52
out.
52:53
So,
52:53
yes,
52:53
the
52:53
players
52:54
came
52:54
to
52:54
me
52:54
today
52:55
and
52:55
demanded
52:56
that
52:57
you
52:57
be
52:57
fired.
52:58
So
52:58
come
52:58
to
52:59
my
52:59
office
52:59
tomorrow
53:00
and
53:01
we'll
53:01
talk
53:01
about
53:02
it.
53:03
Vit
53:04
went
53:04
to
53:04
Bradley's
53:05
office
53:05
the
53:05
next
53:06
day.
53:06
They
53:06
met
53:07
for
53:07
about
53:07
an
53:07
hour.
53:09
And
53:09
the
53:09
press
53:10
was,
53:10
of
53:10
course,
53:10
waiting
53:11
outside
53:11
Bradley's
53:12
door
53:13
for
53:13
possibly
53:14
the
53:14
announcement
53:14
that
53:15
Vit
53:15
had
53:15
been
53:15
fired
53:16
or
53:16
possibly
53:17
the
53:17
announcement
53:17
that
53:17
Vid
53:18
had
53:18
resigned.
53:19
And
53:19
Vit
53:20
came
53:20
out
53:21
and
53:22
said
53:22
simply,
53:23
I'm
53:24
still
53:24
the
53:24
manager.
53:25
Let's
53:25
play
53:25
ball.
53:27
That
53:27
was
53:27
the
53:28
immediate
53:29
reaction.
53:30
But
53:31
of
53:31
course,
53:31
Vit
53:32
elaborated
53:33
later
53:34
on
53:34
in
53:34
the
53:35
day
53:36
and
53:36
professed
53:37
to
53:38
disbelief.
53:39
I
53:39
can't
53:40
believe
53:40
they've
53:40
done
53:40
this.
53:40
I'm
53:41
on
53:41
good
53:41
terms
53:42
with
53:42
everybody
53:43
on
53:43
this
53:43
team.
53:43
How
53:44
could
53:44
they
53:44
do
53:44
this
53:45
to
53:45
me?
53:46
That's
53:46
what
53:46
he
53:46
said
53:46
for
53:47
public
53:47
consumption.
53:48
Maybe
53:49
in
53:49
his
53:49
heart
53:49
of
53:49
hearts,
53:50
he
53:51
wasn't
53:51
all
53:51
that
53:51
surprised.
53:52
But
53:52
for
53:52
public
53:53
consumption,
53:53
he
53:53
insisted.
53:54
I've
53:54
done
53:55
nothing
53:55
to
53:55
deserve
53:56
this.
53:56
I
53:57
don't
53:57
know
53:57
how
53:57
this
53:57
happened.
53:58
I
53:58
don't
53:58
know
53:58
why
53:59
they're
53:59
doing
53:59
this
53:59
to
54:00
me.
54:02
Wow.
54:04
So
54:06
now
54:06
the
54:06
name
54:07
crybabies,
54:09
all
54:10
this
54:10
happens.
54:12
Indians,
54:13
again,
54:13
are
54:14
not
54:14
the
54:14
worst
54:14
team
54:15
in
54:15
baseball.
54:15
They're
54:15
a
54:16
competitive
54:16
team.
54:17
So
54:18
he
54:18
must
54:18
be
54:18
doing
54:19
something
54:19
right.
54:19
The
54:19
players
54:20
must
54:20
be
54:20
doing
54:20
something
54:21
right.
54:21
Even
54:22
though
54:22
there's
54:22
a
54:23
revolt,
54:23
nobody
54:24
wants
54:24
to.
54:25
Nobody
54:25
wants
54:25
to
54:25
lose.
54:27
How
54:28
does
54:28
the
54:29
label
54:30
crybabies
54:31
befall
54:32
upon
54:33
the
54:33
team?
54:34
Was
54:34
it
54:35
media
54:35
driven?
54:37
Did
54:38
someone
54:38
in
54:38
ownership
54:39
come
54:39
out
54:40
and
54:40
say,
54:40
these
54:40
are
54:41
just
54:41
a
54:41
bunch
54:41
of
54:42
crybabies?
54:43
How
54:44
does
54:44
the
54:44
name
54:44
crybabies
54:45
come
54:45
about?
54:47
Well,
54:47
ownership
54:48
was,
54:49
I
54:49
think,
54:50
extremely
54:51
tolerant.
54:53
Essentially,
54:54
ownership
54:54
was
54:55
Alvar
54:56
Bradley.
54:56
Now,
54:57
he
54:57
was
54:57
one
54:58
of
54:59
many
54:59
co
54:59
owners.
55:00
I
55:00
don't
55:00
remember
55:00
off
55:01
the
55:01
top
55:01
of
55:01
my
55:01
head
55:01
exactly
55:02
how
55:02
many
55:03
co
55:03
owners
55:03
the
55:03
Indians
55:04
had.
55:04
They
55:04
were
55:05
a
55:05
group
55:05
called
55:05
the
55:06
Millionaires.
55:08
They
55:08
had
55:08
owned
55:09
the
55:09
team
55:09
since
55:10
1927.
55:11
But
55:11
essentially,
55:13
Alva
55:14
Bradley
55:14
spoke
55:15
for
55:15
everybody.
55:16
Nobody
55:17
went
55:17
to
55:18
the
55:18
other
55:18
millionaires
55:19
and
55:19
asked
55:20
for
55:20
their
55:20
opinion,
55:20
or
55:21
if
55:21
they
55:21
did,
55:22
no
55:22
one
55:22
had
55:22
an
55:23
opinion
55:23
to
55:23
offer.
55:24
Alva
55:25
Bradley
55:25
spoke
55:26
for
55:26
the
55:27
millionaires
55:28
and
55:28
was
55:29
very
55:30
tolerant.
55:31
I
55:31
think
55:31
under
55:32
the
55:32
conditions.
55:33
He
55:33
didn't
55:34
denigrate
55:34
the
55:34
players.
55:36
He
55:36
could
55:36
have
55:36
told
55:36
them,
55:37
get
55:37
the
55:37
heck
55:38
out
55:38
of
55:38
my
55:38
office.
55:39
You
55:39
play,
55:40
I'll
55:40
own.
55:41
Vit
55:41
will
55:42
manage.
55:42
He
55:43
could
55:43
have
55:43
told
55:43
them
55:43
that,
55:44
but
55:44
he
55:44
didn't.
55:45
He
55:45
listened
55:46
to
55:46
their
55:46
complaints.
55:47
He
55:48
said
55:48
he
55:48
would
55:48
look
55:49
into,
55:50
investigate
55:51
the
55:51
complaints.
55:53
But
55:53
for
55:54
the
55:54
time
55:54
being,
55:54
we
55:55
are
55:55
going
55:55
to
55:55
maintain
55:56
the
55:56
status
55:56
quo.
55:57
Vit
55:58
remains
55:58
the
55:59
manager.
55:59
I
56:00
expect
56:00
you
56:01
to
56:01
do
56:01
your
56:01
jobs
56:02
and
56:03
play
56:03
the
56:03
best
56:03
you
56:03
can
56:05
for
56:05
him.
56:06
And
56:07
interestingly
56:08
enough,
56:08
after
56:08
this
56:09
happened,
56:09
the
56:09
Indians
56:10
went
56:10
on
56:10
an
56:10
extended
56:11
hot
56:12
streak.
56:12
I
56:13
was
56:13
just
56:13
going
56:13
to
56:13
ask
56:13
you,
56:13
how
56:14
did
56:14
all
56:14
this
56:14
affect
56:15
the
56:15
team?
56:16
They.
56:16
The
56:16
team
56:16
caught
56:17
fire
56:18
after
56:18
this.
56:18
They
56:18
went
56:19
on
56:19
an
56:19
extended
56:20
hot
56:20
streak.
56:22
They
56:22
were
56:23
at
56:24
home.
56:24
They
56:24
were
56:25
just
56:25
beginning
56:26
a
56:26
home
56:26
stand,
56:27
which
56:27
probably
56:28
helped.
56:28
Although
56:30
the
56:30
home
56:30
fans
56:32
for
56:32
most
56:33
of
56:33
the
56:33
season
56:34
sided
56:34
with
56:35
Vit,
56:36
they
56:36
took
56:37
Vit's
56:37
side
56:38
in
56:39
the
56:39
battle
56:40
with
56:41
the,
56:41
the
56:42
players.
56:42
And
56:43
Vit
56:43
was
56:43
always,
56:44
always
56:44
grateful
56:45
for
56:46
that.
56:46
The
56:47
players,
56:48
some
56:48
of
56:48
them,
56:49
Trotsky
56:49
in
56:50
particular.
56:50
Trotsky
56:51
got
56:51
booed
56:52
every
56:53
time
56:53
he
56:54
came
56:54
to
56:54
home
56:55
plate.
56:55
Now,
56:55
Trotsky
56:57
was
56:57
not
56:57
even
56:57
in
56:58
attendance
56:59
at
56:59
this
56:59
meeting.
56:59
I
57:00
mean,
57:00
the
57:00
poor
57:00
guy
57:00
didn't
57:01
have
57:01
enough
57:01
trouble.
57:02
He
57:02
gets
57:02
a
57:02
phone
57:03
call
57:03
that
57:03
his
57:04
mother
57:04
in
57:05
Iowa
57:05
has
57:05
passed
57:06
away.
57:08
So
57:08
he
57:09
prepares
57:09
to
57:10
leave
57:10
right
57:10
away
57:10
for
57:11
Iowa
57:11
to
57:11
make
57:11
the
57:12
funeral
57:12
arrangements.
57:14
But
57:15
he
57:15
calls
57:16
Bradley's
57:16
office
57:17
while
57:17
he
57:17
knows
57:18
this
57:18
meeting
57:18
is
57:19
going
57:19
on
57:20
and
57:21
he
57:21
knows
57:21
what
57:21
the
57:21
players
57:22
are
57:22
telling
57:22
Bradley.
57:23
And
57:23
he
57:23
said,
57:24
Mr.
57:24
Bradley,
57:24
I
57:25
want
57:25
you
57:25
to
57:25
know
57:26
I
57:26
agree
57:27
with
57:27
everything
57:28
you
57:29
are
57:29
hearing.
57:30
But
57:31
the
57:31
poor
57:31
guy's
57:31
mother
57:32
passes
57:32
away
57:33
during
57:33
all
57:33
this
57:33
turmoil.
57:35
When
57:35
he
57:35
gets
57:35
back,
57:36
the
57:36
fans
57:37
boo
57:37
him,
57:38
the
57:38
home
57:38
fans
57:39
boo
57:39
him
57:40
every
57:40
time
57:41
he
57:41
comes
57:42
to
57:42
the
57:42
plate.
57:43
It's.
57:44
It's
57:44
hard
57:44
for
57:44
us
57:45
to
57:46
understand,
57:47
I
57:47
think,
57:48
what
57:49
this
57:49
must
57:49
have
57:49
been
57:50
like
57:51
for
57:51
the
57:52
fans,
57:53
because
57:53
even
57:53
in
57:54
that
57:54
day
57:54
and
57:55
age
57:55
when
57:55
the
57:55
players
57:56
didn't
57:56
make
57:56
the
57:56
kind
57:57
of
57:57
money
57:57
they
57:57
do
57:57
now,
57:57
but
57:58
they
57:58
still
57:58
made
57:58
a
57:59
lot
57:59
more
57:59
than
57:59
your
58:00
average
58:00
worker
58:01
makes.
58:02
And
58:02
they're
58:02
making
58:03
it
58:03
playing
58:04
a
58:04
game
58:05
for
58:05
a
58:05
living.
58:06
And
58:06
people
58:06
who
58:07
are
58:07
paying
58:07
good
58:07
money
58:07
to
58:08
go
58:08
to
58:08
the
58:08
ballpark
58:09
to
58:09
see
58:09
these
58:09
guys
58:10
are
58:10
thinking
58:11
to
58:11
themselves,
58:11
I
58:12
don't
58:12
particularly
58:12
care
58:13
for
58:13
my
58:13
boss
58:13
either,
58:14
but
58:14
I
58:14
can't
58:15
walk
58:15
into
58:15
ownership
58:16
and
58:16
tell
58:16
him,
58:16
fire
58:17
this
58:17
guy.
58:18
So
58:18
who
58:18
do
58:19
they
58:19
think
58:19
they
58:19
are?
58:20
That
58:21
seems
58:21
to
58:21
be
58:22
the
58:22
general
58:22
attitude
58:23
of
58:23
the
58:23
fans.
58:24
Who
58:24
do
58:24
these
58:24
guys
58:25
think
58:25
they
58:25
are?
58:25
They're
58:26
playing
58:26
a
58:26
game
58:26
for
58:27
a
58:27
living.
58:27
And
58:28
making
58:28
a
58:28
lot
58:28
more
58:29
than
58:29
the
58:29
average
58:29
person
58:30
and
58:30
they're
58:31
not
58:31
happy.
58:32
Isn't
58:32
that
58:33
everything
58:34
we
58:34
still
58:34
say
58:35
today?
58:37
Yes,
58:37
to
58:38
a
58:38
large
58:38
extent.
58:39
It
58:39
was
58:39
hard
58:39
for
58:40
the
58:40
fans
58:40
to,
58:41
to
58:41
sympathize
58:43
with
58:43
the
58:43
players.
58:44
And
58:44
if
58:44
I
58:44
had
58:45
been
58:45
a
58:45
fan
58:45
back
58:45
in
58:46
1940,
58:46
I
58:47
think
58:47
I
58:47
might
58:47
well
58:48
have
58:48
felt
58:48
pretty
58:49
much
58:49
the
58:49
same
58:49
way.
58:51
Well,
58:52
so
58:52
again,
58:53
where
58:53
does
58:53
the
58:54
name
58:54
crybabies
58:55
come
58:56
from?
58:56
Well,
58:57
simply
58:57
because,
58:58
I
58:58
mean,
58:59
what
58:59
did,
59:00
what
59:00
did
59:00
they
59:00
do?
59:01
If
59:01
you
59:01
don't
59:02
like
59:02
who
59:02
labeled
59:03
them?
59:03
Who
59:03
labeled
59:03
them?
59:03
Was
59:04
it
59:04
the
59:04
press
59:04
labeled
59:04
them?
59:05
They
59:05
said,
59:05
oh,
59:06
these
59:06
guys
59:06
went
59:06
to
59:07
meet
59:07
and
59:07
they
59:08
are
59:08
just
59:08
a
59:08
bunch
59:08
of
59:08
crybabies.
59:09
The
59:10
out
59:10
of
59:10
town
59:10
press
59:11
did.
59:12
The
59:12
Cleveland
59:13
media
59:14
didn't.
59:15
But
59:15
the
59:15
out
59:16
of
59:16
town
59:16
press
59:17
right
59:17
away,
59:17
these
59:18
guys
59:18
are
59:18
a
59:18
bunch
59:18
of
59:19
crybabies.
59:19
They
59:19
don't
59:20
like
59:20
the
59:20
way
59:20
things
59:20
are,
59:21
so
59:21
they
59:21
run
59:21
to
59:22
mommy
59:22
and
59:22
they
59:22
cry.
59:23
So
59:24
they
59:24
became
59:25
the
59:25
Cleveland
59:26
crybabies.
59:27
That
59:27
was
59:27
where
59:27
the
59:27
Nick,
59:28
where
59:28
the
59:28
name
59:28
came
59:29
from,
59:29
the
59:30
out
59:30
of
59:30
town
59:30
press.
59:30
They
59:31
were
59:31
not
59:31
labeled
59:31
as
59:31
crybabies
59:32
by
59:32
management
59:33
and
59:34
they
59:34
really
59:34
weren't
59:34
labeled
59:34
as
59:34
crybabies
59:35
by
59:36
the
59:36
local
59:37
press.
59:37
Now
59:38
the
59:38
fans
59:38
may
59:39
have,
59:40
but
59:40
the
59:40
press,
59:41
the
59:41
Plain
59:42
Dealer,
59:42
the
59:42
Cleveland
59:43
News,
59:43
they
59:44
never
59:45
referred
59:45
to
59:45
the
59:45
players
59:46
as
59:46
crybabies.
59:47
You
59:48
know
59:48
what's
59:48
interesting,
59:48
Gary,
59:49
is
59:49
that
59:50
in
59:50
let's
59:51
just
59:51
go
59:51
through
59:51
this
59:51
and
59:51
be
59:52
as
59:52
accurate
59:52
as
59:52
we
59:53
can.
59:53
In
59:53
1937,
59:55
Steve
59:55
O'
59:55
Neill
59:56
still
59:56
as
59:57
the
59:57
manager,
59:58
the
59:58
Indians
59:58
finish
59:59
in
59:59
fourth
59:59
place,
1:00:00
83
1:00:00
and
1:00:01
71,
1:00:01
19
1:00:02
games
1:00:02
out
1:00:03
of
1:00:03
first
1:00:03
place.
1:00:05
In
1:00:05
1938,
1:00:06
Bit's
1:00:07
first
1:00:07
season
1:00:07
as
1:00:07
manager,
1:00:08
they
1:00:08
finished
1:00:09
in
1:00:09
third,
1:00:10
86
1:00:10
and
1:00:11
66,
1:00:11
13
1:00:13
games
1:00:13
out
1:00:13
of
1:00:14
first
1:00:14
place.
1:00:15
In
1:00:15
1939,
1:00:17
they
1:00:18
improved
1:00:18
by
1:00:18
a
1:00:19
game,
1:00:20
but
1:00:20
they
1:00:20
finished
1:00:21
20
1:00:21
and
1:00:21
a
1:00:21
half
1:00:21
games
1:00:22
out
1:00:22
of
1:00:22
first
1:00:23
place.
1:00:23
The
1:00:23
Yankees
1:00:24
win
1:00:24
the
1:00:25
the
1:00:25
league
1:00:26
again,
1:00:26
106
1:00:27
wins.
1:00:28
Cleveland
1:00:29
87
1:00:29
wins.
1:00:31
In
1:00:31
1940,
1:00:33
all
1:00:33
this
1:00:33
takes
1:00:34
place.
1:00:35
The
1:00:36
Indians
1:00:37
are
1:00:37
in
1:00:37
a
1:00:37
pennant
1:00:38
race.
1:00:39
The
1:00:39
Indians
1:00:41
finish
1:00:41
the
1:00:42
season
1:00:43
one
1:00:43
game
1:00:44
back.
1:00:45
Whip
1:00:45
them
1:00:46
into
1:00:46
shape,
1:00:47
has
1:00:47
them
1:00:48
on
1:00:48
the
1:00:48
tail
1:00:48
of
1:00:49
the
1:00:49
Tigers.
1:00:50
The
1:00:50
Tigers
1:00:51
win
1:00:51
the
1:00:51
league,
1:00:51
the
1:00:52
American
1:00:52
League.
1:00:53
90
1:00:54
wins
1:00:54
to
1:00:55
the
1:00:55
Indians,
1:00:56
89
1:00:56
wins
1:00:57
one
1:00:58
game
1:00:58
back.
1:00:59
What
1:01:00
say
1:01:00
you?
1:01:02
Well,
1:01:03
if
1:01:03
you'll
1:01:03
allow
1:01:04
me
1:01:04
to
1:01:05
go
1:01:05
off
1:01:05
on
1:01:05
a
1:01:05
bit
1:01:06
of
1:01:06
a
1:01:06
tangent,
1:01:07
if
1:01:07
I
1:01:07
may,
1:01:07
to
1:01:08
kind
1:01:08
of
1:01:08
set
1:01:08
the
1:01:09
scene
1:01:10
for
1:01:10
what
1:01:10
we
1:01:10
are
1:01:11
discussing.
1:01:13
One
1:01:13
of
1:01:13
the
1:01:13
reasons
1:01:14
that
1:01:14
I
1:01:14
was
1:01:14
fascinated
1:01:15
by
1:01:15
the
1:01:16
1940
1:01:17
season
1:01:18
is
1:01:19
because
1:01:21
the
1:01:21
first
1:01:22
book
1:01:22
that
1:01:22
I
1:01:22
remember
1:01:23
might
1:01:23
have
1:01:23
been
1:01:23
even
1:01:24
the
1:01:24
first
1:01:24
baseball
1:01:24
book
1:01:25
I,
1:01:25
I
1:01:25
ever
1:01:25
read.
1:01:25
It
1:01:26
was
1:01:26
called
1:01:26
the
1:01:26
Cleveland
1:01:27
Indians
1:01:27
and
1:01:28
it
1:01:28
was
1:01:28
written
1:01:28
by
1:01:28
a
1:01:28
guy
1:01:28
by
1:01:29
the
1:01:29
of
1:01:29
Franklin
1:01:29
Lewis
1:01:30
who
1:01:31
was
1:01:31
the
1:01:31
sports
1:01:31
editor
1:01:32
of
1:01:32
the
1:01:32
Cleveland
1:01:33
Press.
1:01:34
It
1:01:34
was
1:01:35
written
1:01:35
after
1:01:35
the
1:01:36
World
1:01:36
series
1:01:37
championship
1:01:37
of
1:01:38
1948.
1:01:40
In
1:01:41
this
1:01:41
book,
1:01:42
Lewis
1:01:42
talks
1:01:43
about
1:01:43
the
1:01:44
1940
1:01:45
season.
1:01:45
There
1:01:45
is
1:01:45
a
1:01:46
chapter
1:01:46
dedicated
1:01:47
to
1:01:47
the
1:01:47
Crybaby
1:01:48
Rebellion.
1:01:50
And
1:01:50
in
1:01:51
this
1:01:51
book,
1:01:51
Lewis
1:01:52
stated,
1:01:53
and
1:01:53
this
1:01:54
never
1:01:54
made
1:01:54
any
1:01:54
sense
1:01:55
to
1:01:55
me.
1:01:55
And
1:01:55
it
1:01:55
makes
1:01:55
even
1:01:56
less
1:01:56
sense
1:01:56
now
1:01:57
that
1:01:57
I
1:01:57
have
1:01:57
researched
1:01:58
it
1:01:59
thoroughly.
1:02:00
According
1:02:00
to
1:02:01
Lewis,
1:02:01
the
1:02:01
Indians
1:02:02
were
1:02:03
the
1:02:03
heavy
1:02:04
favorites
1:02:04
to
1:02:04
win
1:02:05
the
1:02:05
American
1:02:05
League
1:02:06
pennant
1:02:06
in
1:02:07
1940.
1:02:09
That
1:02:10
didn't
1:02:10
make
1:02:10
any
1:02:11
sense
1:02:11
to
1:02:11
me
1:02:12
even
1:02:12
way
1:02:13
back
1:02:13
then,
1:02:13
before
1:02:14
I
1:02:14
got
1:02:14
into
1:02:15
the
1:02:15
history
1:02:16
of
1:02:16
the
1:02:16
sport.
1:02:17
It
1:02:17
makes
1:02:17
even
1:02:18
less
1:02:18
sense
1:02:19
now.
1:02:19
As
1:02:19
you
1:02:19
just
1:02:20
said,
1:02:20
The
1:02:20
Yankees
1:02:21
in
1:02:22
1939
1:02:22
were
1:02:23
a
1:02:23
juggernaut.
1:02:24
They
1:02:24
won
1:02:25
106
1:02:26
games.
1:02:27
They
1:02:28
swept
1:02:28
Cincinnati
1:02:29
in
1:02:29
the
1:02:29
World
1:02:30
Series.
1:02:30
It
1:02:31
was
1:02:31
their
1:02:31
fourth
1:02:32
consecutive
1:02:33
World
1:02:33
Championship.
1:02:35
They
1:02:35
returned
1:02:36
the
1:02:36
entire
1:02:37
team
1:02:38
intact
1:02:38
for
1:02:39
1940.
1:02:41
Other
1:02:41
than
1:02:41
being
1:02:42
a
1:02:42
year
1:02:42
older,
1:02:43
which
1:02:43
I
1:02:44
think
1:02:44
did
1:02:44
kind
1:02:45
of
1:02:45
play
1:02:45
a
1:02:45
part
1:02:46
on
1:02:47
their
1:02:47
pitching
1:02:48
staff
1:02:48
in
1:02:49
1940.
1:02:49
But
1:02:50
other
1:02:50
than
1:02:50
the
1:02:50
fact
1:02:50
that
1:02:50
they're
1:02:51
all
1:02:51
a
1:02:51
year
1:02:52
older,
1:02:54
the
1:02:54
Yankees
1:02:54
have
1:02:55
not
1:02:55
changed
1:02:55
at
1:02:56
all
1:02:56
from
1:02:56
the
1:02:56
team
1:02:56
that
1:02:57
won
1:02:57
106
1:02:59
games.
1:03:00
Yeah,
1:03:00
and
1:03:01
you're
1:03:01
not
1:03:01
going
1:03:01
to
1:03:01
win
1:03:01
106
1:03:02
games
1:03:02
two
1:03:03
years
1:03:03
in
1:03:03
a
1:03:03
row.
1:03:03
It's
1:03:04
like
1:03:04
almost
1:03:05
impossible.
1:03:05
And
1:03:06
it's
1:03:06
not
1:03:06
like
1:03:06
the
1:03:06
Yankees
1:03:07
had
1:03:07
an
1:03:07
awful
1:03:07
season
1:03:08
in
1:03:08
1940
1:03:09
either.
1:03:09
They
1:03:10
still.
1:03:10
No,
1:03:11
they
1:03:11
didn't.
1:03:11
But
1:03:12
why
1:03:13
would
1:03:13
the
1:03:14
national
1:03:14
media
1:03:15
decide
1:03:16
that
1:03:16
the
1:03:16
Indians,
1:03:17
who
1:03:17
finished
1:03:18
20
1:03:18
and
1:03:19
a
1:03:19
half
1:03:19
games
1:03:20
out
1:03:20
of
1:03:20
first
1:03:21
place
1:03:21
in
1:03:21
1939
1:03:23
and
1:03:23
really
1:03:23
did
1:03:24
not
1:03:24
do
1:03:24
anything
1:03:25
to
1:03:25
improve
1:03:25
the
1:03:26
roster,
1:03:26
with
1:03:26
the
1:03:26
exception
1:03:27
of
1:03:28
the
1:03:29
second
1:03:29
baseman
1:03:29
Ray
1:03:30
Mack
1:03:30
and
1:03:30
the
1:03:30
shortstop
1:03:31
Lou
1:03:31
Boudreaux,
1:03:32
who
1:03:33
greatly
1:03:34
solidified
1:03:34
the
1:03:34
infield.
1:03:35
But
1:03:35
they
1:03:35
had
1:03:35
come
1:03:36
up
1:03:36
midway
1:03:36
through
1:03:36
1939
1:03:38
and
1:03:38
had
1:03:38
been
1:03:39
part
1:03:39
of
1:03:39
the
1:03:39
spark
1:03:40
that
1:03:41
led
1:03:41
the
1:03:41
Indians
1:03:42
to
1:03:42
play
1:03:42
so
1:03:42
well
1:03:43
in
1:03:43
August
1:03:43
and
1:03:43
September
1:03:44
of
1:03:45
39.
1:03:45
But
1:03:46
other
1:03:46
than
1:03:46
their
1:03:47
addition,
1:03:48
it's
1:03:48
the
1:03:48
same
1:03:49
Indians
1:03:49
ball
1:03:50
club
1:03:50
that
1:03:50
finished
1:03:51
20
1:03:51
and
1:03:51
a
1:03:51
half
1:03:51
games
1:03:52
out
1:03:52
in
1:03:53
39.
1:03:54
Why
1:03:54
would
1:03:55
the
1:03:55
national
1:03:55
press
1:03:56
think
1:03:57
the
1:03:57
Indians
1:03:58
were
1:03:58
going
1:03:58
to
1:03:58
win
1:03:59
the
1:03:59
1940
1:04:00
pennant?
1:04:00
And
1:04:01
in
1:04:01
doing
1:04:02
this
1:04:02
research,
1:04:05
they
1:04:05
didn't.
1:04:06
I
1:04:06
don't
1:04:06
know
1:04:06
where
1:04:06
Franklin
1:04:07
Lewis
1:04:07
got
1:04:07
his
1:04:07
information,
1:04:08
but
1:04:09
none
1:04:09
of
1:04:09
the
1:04:09
Cleveland
1:04:10
writers
1:04:10
picked
1:04:10
the
1:04:11
Indians
1:04:11
to
1:04:11
win
1:04:11
the
1:04:11
pennant
1:04:12
in
1:04:12
1940.
1:04:13
None
1:04:13
of
1:04:13
the
1:04:13
national
1:04:14
writers
1:04:15
picked
1:04:15
the
1:04:15
Indians
1:04:15
to
1:04:16
win
1:04:16
the
1:04:16
pennant
1:04:16
in
1:04:17
1940.
1:04:17
I
1:04:18
don't
1:04:18
know
1:04:18
where
1:04:18
Lewis
1:04:19
got
1:04:19
his
1:04:19
information,
1:04:21
but
1:04:21
it's
1:04:22
completely
1:04:23
faulty
1:04:24
information.
1:04:25
And
1:04:26
the
1:04:26
Yankees,
1:04:27
if
1:04:27
they
1:04:28
had
1:04:28
played
1:04:28
up
1:04:29
to
1:04:29
their
1:04:29
usual
1:04:30
standards,
1:04:31
okay,
1:04:32
they
1:04:32
don't
1:04:32
have
1:04:32
to
1:04:32
win
1:04:32
106
1:04:33
games
1:04:34
like
1:04:34
they
1:04:34
did
1:04:35
in
1:04:35
1939.
1:04:36
If
1:04:37
they
1:04:37
win
1:04:38
95,
1:04:39
96,
1:04:41
which
1:04:41
is
1:04:41
pretty
1:04:41
much
1:04:42
par
1:04:42
for
1:04:42
the
1:04:42
course
1:04:42
for
1:04:43
the
1:04:43
Yankees
1:04:43
of
1:04:43
that
1:04:44
era.
1:04:44
If
1:04:45
they
1:04:45
just
1:04:45
have
1:04:45
a
1:04:45
typical
1:04:46
Yankees
1:04:47
season,
1:04:47
they
1:04:48
leave
1:04:48
the
1:04:48
Indians
1:04:49
and
1:04:49
the
1:04:49
Tigers
1:04:49
choking
1:04:50
on
1:04:50
their
1:04:50
dust.
1:04:51
There
1:04:52
is
1:04:52
no
1:04:52
Pennant
1:04:53
race
1:04:53
in
1:04:53
1940
1:04:54
if
1:04:54
the
1:04:54
Yankees
1:04:55
are
1:04:55
simply
1:04:56
the
1:04:56
Yankees.
1:04:56
But
1:04:57
they
1:04:57
got
1:04:57
off
1:04:57
to
1:04:57
a
1:04:57
terrible
1:04:58
start.
1:04:59
And
1:04:59
basically
1:05:00
the
1:05:00
rest
1:05:00
of
1:05:00
the
1:05:01
way
1:05:01
they
1:05:01
got
1:05:01
hot,
1:05:01
then
1:05:01
they
1:05:02
got
1:05:02
cold,
1:05:02
and
1:05:02
they
1:05:02
got
1:05:03
hot,
1:05:03
then
1:05:03
they
1:05:03
got
1:05:04
cold
1:05:04
and
1:05:04
they
1:05:04
still
1:05:05
finished
1:05:05
only
1:05:05
two
1:05:05
games
1:05:06
out
1:05:07
of
1:05:07
first
1:05:07
place.
1:05:09
So
1:05:09
the
1:05:09
Indians
1:05:10
were
1:05:10
not
1:05:10
the
1:05:10
favorites
1:05:11
to
1:05:11
win
1:05:11
the
1:05:11
pennant
1:05:12
in
1:05:12
1940.
1:05:13
They
1:05:13
were
1:05:13
considered
1:05:14
to
1:05:14
be
1:05:15
maybe
1:05:15
a
1:05:15
second
1:05:16
place
1:05:16
team,
1:05:17
more
1:05:17
likely
1:05:17
a
1:05:17
third
1:05:18
place
1:05:18
team.
1:05:19
But
1:05:20
the
1:05:20
Yankees
1:05:20
chose
1:05:21
1940
1:05:22
to
1:05:22
have
1:05:22
an
1:05:23
off
1:05:23
year
1:05:23
and
1:05:24
the
1:05:24
Indians
1:05:24
and
1:05:25
Tigers
1:05:26
were
1:05:26
able
1:05:27
to
1:05:27
take
1:05:27
advantage
1:05:28
of
1:05:28
it.
1:05:28
And
1:05:28
to
1:05:29
your
1:05:29
point,
1:05:30
I
1:05:30
do
1:05:31
point
1:05:31
that
1:05:31
out
1:05:31
at
1:05:32
the
1:05:32
end
1:05:33
of
1:05:33
the
1:05:33
crybabies
1:05:34
book
1:05:34
that
1:05:35
the
1:05:35
bottom
1:05:36
line
1:05:36
is,
1:05:37
no
1:05:37
matter
1:05:38
how
1:05:38
the
1:05:38
players
1:05:38
felt
1:05:39
about
1:05:40
Oscar
1:05:40
Witt,
1:05:41
the
1:05:42
bottom
1:05:42
line
1:05:42
was
1:05:44
he
1:05:44
almost
1:05:46
did
1:05:46
the
1:05:46
job
1:05:47
that
1:05:47
he
1:05:47
was
1:05:47
hired
1:05:48
to
1:05:48
do.
1:05:49
He
1:05:49
got
1:05:49
them
1:05:49
within
1:05:50
one
1:05:50
game
1:05:51
of
1:05:51
the
1:05:52
pennant,
1:05:52
regardless
1:05:53
of
1:05:53
how
1:05:53
the
1:05:53
players
1:05:53
felt
1:05:54
about
1:05:54
him.
1:05:54
One
1:05:54
game
1:05:55
of
1:05:55
the
1:05:55
pennant,
1:05:55
which
1:05:56
o'
1:05:56
Neill
1:05:56
couldn't
1:05:57
do,
1:05:57
which
1:05:57
Walter
1:05:58
Johnson
1:05:58
couldn't
1:05:58
do
1:05:59
before
1:05:59
o',
1:05:59
Neal,
1:05:59
which
1:06:00
Roger
1:06:00
Peckinpah
1:06:01
couldn't
1:06:01
do
1:06:02
before
1:06:02
Johnson.
1:06:03
Vit
1:06:04
somehow
1:06:04
did
1:06:05
it
1:06:05
under
1:06:05
really
1:06:06
adverse
1:06:06
conditions.
1:06:09
So
1:06:13
they,
1:06:17
they
1:06:17
finish
1:06:17
a
1:06:18
game
1:06:18
out
1:06:18
of
1:06:18
first
1:06:19
place.
1:06:21
There
1:06:21
was
1:06:22
this
1:06:22
player
1:06:22
revolt.
1:06:24
Bradley
1:06:25
supported
1:06:25
Vit.
1:06:26
The
1:06:26
team
1:06:27
goes
1:06:27
on
1:06:27
a
1:06:27
hot
1:06:28
streak,
1:06:28
right?
1:06:28
They
1:06:29
go
1:06:29
on
1:06:29
a
1:06:29
hot
1:06:29
streak.
1:06:30
And
1:06:30
to
1:06:30
stay
1:06:31
independent
1:06:31
race,
1:06:32
they
1:06:32
almost
1:06:33
catch
1:06:33
the
1:06:34
Tigers.
1:06:37
And
1:06:37
that's
1:06:38
it
1:06:38
for
1:06:38
Vit.
1:06:39
After
1:06:40
1940,
1:06:41
he
1:06:41
was
1:06:41
gone.
1:06:43
Well,
1:06:44
he
1:06:44
was.
1:06:45
And
1:06:45
there
1:06:45
are
1:06:45
some
1:06:46
interesting
1:06:47
things
1:06:48
that
1:06:49
I,
1:06:49
I
1:06:49
think
1:06:49
need
1:06:50
to
1:06:50
be
1:06:51
mentioned.
1:06:52
First
1:06:53
of
1:06:53
all,
1:06:53
it's
1:06:53
just
1:06:54
a
1:06:54
tiny
1:06:55
bit,
1:06:55
just
1:06:55
a
1:06:56
tiny
1:06:56
bit
1:06:56
misleading
1:06:58
when
1:06:58
we
1:06:58
point
1:06:59
out
1:06:59
that
1:06:59
the
1:06:59
Indians
1:06:59
finished
1:07:00
a
1:07:00
game
1:07:00
out
1:07:00
of
1:07:01
first.
1:07:01
Yes,
1:07:02
they
1:07:02
did.
1:07:03
But
1:07:03
here
1:07:04
was
1:07:04
the
1:07:04
situation.
1:07:08
In
1:07:09
late
1:07:09
August,
1:07:10
the
1:07:11
Indians
1:07:11
had
1:07:11
a
1:07:12
five
1:07:12
and
1:07:12
a
1:07:12
half
1:07:12
game
1:07:13
lead
1:07:13
in
1:07:14
the
1:07:14
American
1:07:14
League.
1:07:15
In
1:07:16
fact,
1:07:17
on
1:07:17
the
1:07:17
train
1:07:18
after
1:07:18
they
1:07:18
had
1:07:18
finished
1:07:18
beating
1:07:19
Boston
1:07:19
and
1:07:19
headed
1:07:20
down
1:07:20
south
1:07:20
to
1:07:21
New
1:07:21
York,
1:07:21
the
1:07:21
players
1:07:22
are
1:07:22
celebrating.
1:07:22
We're
1:07:23
five
1:07:23
and
1:07:23
a
1:07:23
half
1:07:23
games
1:07:23
up.
1:07:24
One
1:07:24
of
1:07:24
the
1:07:24
players
1:07:25
is
1:07:25
running
1:07:26
around
1:07:26
the
1:07:26
train
1:07:26
saying,
1:07:27
they
1:07:27
can't
1:07:27
catch
1:07:27
us,
1:07:28
they
1:07:28
can't
1:07:29
catch
1:07:29
us.
1:07:29
It
1:07:30
was
1:07:30
like
1:07:30
they
1:07:30
had
1:07:30
clinched
1:07:30
the
1:07:31
pennant
1:07:31
that
1:07:31
day.
1:07:33
All
1:07:33
they
1:07:33
had
1:07:33
to
1:07:34
do
1:07:35
was
1:07:35
play
1:07:35
one
1:07:36
game
1:07:36
over.500
1:07:37
for
1:07:37
the
1:07:37
rest
1:07:37
of
1:07:38
the
1:07:38
season.
1:07:38
The
1:07:38
way
1:07:39
things
1:07:39
played
1:07:39
out
1:07:40
and
1:07:41
that
1:07:41
would
1:07:41
have
1:07:41
been
1:07:41
good
1:07:42
enough
1:07:42
for
1:07:42
the
1:07:42
pennant.
1:07:43
But
1:07:43
they
1:07:43
played
1:07:44
one
1:07:44
game
1:07:44
under.500
1:07:46
for
1:07:46
the
1:07:46
rest
1:07:46
of
1:07:46
the
1:07:46
season.
1:07:47
There
1:07:47
were
1:07:47
25
1:07:48
games
1:07:48
over
1:07:49
at
1:07:49
that
1:07:49
point,
1:07:49
71
1:07:50
and
1:07:50
46
1:07:52
the
1:07:52
rest
1:07:52
of
1:07:52
the
1:07:52
way.
1:07:52
They
1:07:52
went
1:07:53
18
1:07:54
and
1:07:54
19.
1:07:56
And
1:07:56
that
1:07:56
was
1:07:56
enough
1:07:56
for
1:07:57
the
1:07:57
Tigers
1:07:57
to
1:07:58
catch
1:07:58
them
1:07:59
and
1:07:59
pass
1:07:59
them.
1:08:00
So
1:08:01
first
1:08:01
of
1:08:02
all,
1:08:02
in
1:08:02
September,
1:08:03
there
1:08:04
was
1:08:04
a
1:08:04
second
1:08:05
rebellion
1:08:07
and
1:08:08
what
1:08:08
happened
1:08:08
in
1:08:09
September?
1:08:11
The
1:08:11
players,
1:08:12
they
1:08:12
were
1:08:12
in
1:08:12
Detroit,
1:08:14
they
1:08:14
decided
1:08:16
Vit
1:08:17
just
1:08:17
doesn't
1:08:17
know
1:08:17
how
1:08:18
to
1:08:18
manage
1:08:18
this
1:08:19
team.
1:08:20
Vit
1:08:20
is
1:08:21
managing
1:08:21
this
1:08:22
team
1:08:22
like
1:08:22
it
1:08:22
was
1:08:22
his
1:08:23
Newark
1:08:23
Bears,
1:08:24
where
1:08:24
everybody
1:08:25
could
1:08:25
hit
1:08:25
the
1:08:25
ball
1:08:25
out
1:08:25
of
1:08:26
the
1:08:26
ballpark.
1:08:27
We
1:08:27
don't
1:08:27
have
1:08:27
that
1:08:28
kind
1:08:28
of
1:08:28
team.
1:08:29
Interesting.
1:08:30
The
1:08:30
discussion
1:08:30
that
1:08:30
we
1:08:31
had
1:08:31
earlier
1:08:31
about
1:08:31
Vitt's
1:08:32
managing
1:08:32
style
1:08:33
and
1:08:33
was
1:08:33
the
1:08:33
Ty
1:08:33
Cobb's
1:08:35
old
1:08:36
fashioned
1:08:38
dead
1:08:39
ball
1:08:39
style.
1:08:40
The
1:08:40
players
1:08:41
said
1:08:41
that's
1:08:41
the
1:08:41
style
1:08:42
we
1:08:42
need
1:08:42
to
1:08:42
play.
1:08:43
We
1:08:43
need
1:08:43
to
1:08:43
punt
1:08:43
and
1:08:43
hit
1:08:44
and
1:08:44
run
1:08:44
because
1:08:44
we
1:08:44
don't
1:08:45
have
1:08:45
the
1:08:45
power
1:08:45
that
1:08:45
the
1:08:46
Tigers
1:08:46
and
1:08:46
the
1:08:46
Yankees
1:08:47
have.
1:08:47
But
1:08:47
Vit
1:08:48
is
1:08:48
playing
1:08:49
what
1:08:49
would
1:08:49
like
1:08:50
become
1:08:50
known
1:08:50
as
1:08:50
Earl
1:08:51
Weaver
1:08:51
ball.
1:08:51
Three
1:08:52
run
1:08:52
homers
1:08:52
pitching
1:08:53
and
1:08:53
three
1:08:54
run
1:08:54
homers
1:08:55
going
1:08:56
way,
1:08:56
way
1:08:57
back.
1:08:57
Did
1:08:58
Vit
1:08:59
approach
1:09:00
the
1:09:01
Newark
1:09:01
Bears
1:09:02
in
1:09:02
the
1:09:02
same
1:09:02
manner
1:09:03
that
1:09:03
he
1:09:03
approached
1:09:04
the
1:09:04
Cleveland
1:09:04
Indians
1:09:06
managerial
1:09:07
style?
1:09:09
Well,
1:09:09
here,
1:09:10
here
1:09:10
is
1:09:10
one
1:09:11
thing
1:09:11
that
1:09:11
really
1:09:12
drove
1:09:12
the
1:09:13
players
1:09:14
crazy.
1:09:16
Vit
1:09:16
was
1:09:17
always
1:09:18
making
1:09:18
reference
1:09:19
to
1:09:19
his
1:09:19
1937
1:09:21
minor
1:09:21
league
1:09:22
champion
1:09:23
Newark
1:09:23
Bears.
1:09:24
And
1:09:25
it
1:09:25
was
1:09:25
always
1:09:26
in
1:09:26
a
1:09:26
derogatory,
1:09:27
my
1:09:27
Bears
1:09:28
could
1:09:28
do
1:09:28
this
1:09:28
and
1:09:29
my
1:09:29
ball
1:09:29
club
1:09:29
now
1:09:30
can't.
1:09:30
And
1:09:30
my
1:09:31
Bears
1:09:31
could
1:09:31
do
1:09:31
this,
1:09:32
but
1:09:32
the
1:09:32
Indians
1:09:33
can't.
1:09:33
My
1:09:33
Bears
1:09:34
could
1:09:34
do
1:09:34
this,
1:09:34
but
1:09:35
this
1:09:35
ball
1:09:35
club
1:09:35
can't.
1:09:36
And
1:09:36
they
1:09:37
got
1:09:37
tired
1:09:38
of
1:09:38
hearing
1:09:38
that.
1:09:40
So
1:09:42
that
1:09:43
was
1:09:43
part
1:09:43
of
1:09:43
what
1:09:43
they
1:09:43
were
1:09:44
complaining
1:09:44
about.
1:09:44
He
1:09:44
can't
1:09:45
seem
1:09:45
to
1:09:45
make
1:09:45
the
1:09:45
adjustment
1:09:46
to
1:09:47
a
1:09:47
team
1:09:47
that
1:09:48
doesn't.
1:09:49
We
1:09:49
had
1:09:49
Hal
1:09:49
Trotsky
1:09:50
and
1:09:51
Ken
1:09:52
Keltner,
1:09:52
essentially
1:09:53
the
1:09:53
two
1:09:53
guys
1:09:53
who
1:09:53
could
1:09:53
hit
1:09:54
the
1:09:54
ball
1:09:54
out
1:09:54
of
1:09:54
the
1:09:54
ballpark.
1:09:55
That
1:09:55
was
1:09:56
it.
1:09:57
And
1:09:57
Vit
1:09:58
was
1:09:58
playing
1:09:58
for
1:09:59
the
1:09:59
long
1:09:59
ball
1:09:59
and
1:10:00
the
1:10:00
power
1:10:00
game.
1:10:01
And
1:10:01
the
1:10:01
players
1:10:02
said,
1:10:02
we
1:10:02
can't
1:10:02
do
1:10:03
it
1:10:03
this
1:10:03
way.
1:10:04
So
1:10:04
here's
1:10:04
what
1:10:04
we're
1:10:05
going
1:10:05
to
1:10:05
do.
1:10:06
We
1:10:06
have
1:10:06
devised
1:10:07
our
1:10:07
own
1:10:07
set
1:10:08
of
1:10:08
signals
1:10:09
and
1:10:10
we're
1:10:10
going
1:10:10
to
1:10:11
play
1:10:11
the
1:10:11
game
1:10:11
our
1:10:12
way.
1:10:12
If
1:10:12
we
1:10:12
don't
1:10:13
like
1:10:13
what
1:10:13
Vit
1:10:13
wants
1:10:14
us
1:10:14
to
1:10:14
do,
1:10:14
we're
1:10:14
going
1:10:15
to
1:10:15
ignore
1:10:15
him.
1:10:17
And
1:10:18
they
1:10:19
were
1:10:19
as
1:10:19
blatant
1:10:20
about
1:10:20
this
1:10:21
as
1:10:21
they
1:10:22
could
1:10:22
possibly
1:10:22
be.
1:10:23
On
1:10:24
this
1:10:24
night
1:10:24
in,
1:10:25
in
1:10:25
early
1:10:25
September,
1:10:26
in
1:10:26
a
1:10:26
hotel
1:10:27
in
1:10:27
Detroit,
1:10:29
they
1:10:30
held
1:10:30
a
1:10:30
players
1:10:31
only
1:10:31
meeting
1:10:32
at
1:10:32
which
1:10:32
they
1:10:33
decided,
1:10:34
we
1:10:34
will
1:10:34
do
1:10:34
things
1:10:35
our
1:10:35
way
1:10:35
from
1:10:36
now
1:10:36
on.
1:10:37
We're
1:10:37
going
1:10:37
to
1:10:37
ignore
1:10:38
it
1:10:38
and
1:10:38
do
1:10:39
things
1:10:39
our
1:10:40
way.
1:10:41
After
1:10:41
the
1:10:42
meeting,
1:10:43
Vit
1:10:43
was
1:10:44
in
1:10:44
the
1:10:45
hotel
1:10:45
dining
1:10:46
room.
1:10:46
Obviously
1:10:47
he
1:10:47
knew
1:10:47
nothing
1:10:47
about
1:10:48
this
1:10:48
meeting.
1:10:50
And
1:10:51
also
1:10:51
in
1:10:51
the
1:10:52
hotel
1:10:52
dining
1:10:52
room
1:10:53
was
1:10:54
Gordon
1:10:55
Cobbledick,
1:10:55
who
1:10:55
was
1:10:56
the
1:10:56
Plain
1:10:56
Dealer
1:10:57
beat
1:10:57
writer
1:10:58
and
1:10:58
eventually
1:10:58
became
1:10:59
the
1:11:00
sports
1:11:00
editor
1:11:00
and
1:11:01
is
1:11:01
now
1:11:01
in
1:11:01
the
1:11:01
writers
1:11:02
wing
1:11:02
of
1:11:02
the
1:11:02
Baseball
1:11:02
hall
1:11:03
of
1:11:03
Fame.
1:11:03
And
1:11:04
so
1:11:05
one
1:11:05
of
1:11:05
the
1:11:05
players
1:11:06
walks
1:11:06
up
1:11:07
to,
1:11:07
to
1:11:07
Cobbledick.
1:11:09
And
1:11:10
in
1:11:10
a
1:11:10
voice
1:11:11
loud
1:11:11
enough
1:11:13
that
1:11:13
Vit
1:11:14
could
1:11:14
Hear
1:11:15
the
1:11:16
player
1:11:16
said,
1:11:16
hey,
1:11:17
Kabi,
1:11:18
I
1:11:18
want
1:11:18
to
1:11:18
tell
1:11:18
you
1:11:19
what
1:11:19
just
1:11:19
happened.
1:11:20
We
1:11:20
just
1:11:21
had
1:11:21
this
1:11:21
meeting
1:11:22
and
1:11:23
we
1:11:23
just
1:11:24
decided
1:11:24
that
1:11:24
we're
1:11:25
doing
1:11:25
things
1:11:25
our
1:11:26
way
1:11:26
from
1:11:26
now
1:11:26
on.
1:11:27
We
1:11:27
don't
1:11:27
care
1:11:27
what
1:11:28
Vit
1:11:28
wants.
1:11:29
We're
1:11:29
calling
1:11:30
the
1:11:30
shots.
1:11:30
We're
1:11:30
calling
1:11:30
from
1:11:30
now
1:11:31
on.
1:11:31
And
1:11:31
he
1:11:32
made
1:11:32
sure
1:11:33
Vit
1:11:33
heard
1:11:34
it.
1:11:34
That's
1:11:35
how
1:11:35
blatant
1:11:35
they
1:11:35
were
1:11:36
with
1:11:36
their
1:11:37
second
1:11:37
rebellion.
1:11:39
So,
1:11:40
I
1:11:40
mean,
1:11:40
what
1:11:40
does
1:11:41
a
1:11:41
guy
1:11:41
do
1:11:41
in
1:11:42
a
1:11:42
situation
1:11:42
like
1:11:43
this
1:11:43
when
1:11:43
he
1:11:43
knows
1:11:43
his
1:11:44
players
1:11:44
are
1:11:44
now
1:11:44
ignoring
1:11:45
him?
1:11:46
What
1:11:47
do
1:11:47
you
1:11:47
do?
1:11:49
And
1:11:49
still
1:11:50
they
1:11:51
chase
1:11:52
the
1:11:52
Tigers
1:11:52
all
1:11:53
the
1:11:53
way.
1:11:53
Now,
1:11:53
the
1:11:53
reason
1:11:53
I
1:11:54
say
1:11:54
it's
1:11:54
a
1:11:54
little
1:11:54
misleading
1:11:55
that
1:11:55
they
1:11:55
finished
1:11:55
the
1:11:56
game
1:11:56
out
1:11:56
of
1:11:56
first
1:11:56
place.
1:11:57
Yes,
1:11:57
they
1:11:58
did.
1:11:58
But
1:11:59
the
1:11:59
situation
1:11:59
was
1:12:00
coming
1:12:01
into
1:12:01
the
1:12:01
last
1:12:02
three
1:12:02
games
1:12:02
of
1:12:03
the
1:12:03
season,
1:12:03
which
1:12:03
would
1:12:04
be
1:12:04
played
1:12:04
at
1:12:04
Old
1:12:05
Municipal
1:12:06
Stadium.
1:12:07
The
1:12:07
Tigers
1:12:08
had
1:12:08
a
1:12:09
two
1:12:09
game
1:12:09
lead
1:12:10
with
1:12:10
three
1:12:11
games
1:12:11
to
1:12:11
play.
1:12:12
The
1:12:12
Indians
1:12:13
had
1:12:13
to
1:12:13
sweep
1:12:14
that
1:12:14
series
1:12:15
in
1:12:15
order
1:12:16
to
1:12:16
finish
1:12:16
one
1:12:17
game
1:12:17
ahead.
1:12:19
Now,
1:12:19
the
1:12:20
first
1:12:20
game
1:12:20
of
1:12:21
that
1:12:21
series
1:12:21
on
1:12:21
a
1:12:22
Friday
1:12:22
afternoon
1:12:24
was
1:12:24
a
1:12:25
game
1:12:25
that
1:12:25
people
1:12:26
still
1:12:26
talk
1:12:27
about
1:12:27
here
1:12:27
in
1:12:28
Cleveland.
1:12:29
I'm
1:12:29
sure
1:12:29
you'll
1:12:29
recognize
1:12:30
this
1:12:30
name.
1:12:31
It
1:12:31
was
1:12:31
the
1:12:31
Floyd
1:12:32
Gable
1:12:32
game.
1:12:35
And
1:12:36
what
1:12:37
happened
1:12:37
was
1:12:37
Dell
1:12:38
Baker,
1:12:38
the
1:12:39
manager
1:12:39
of
1:12:39
the
1:12:40
Tigers,
1:12:41
met
1:12:41
with
1:12:41
his
1:12:42
team
1:12:43
before
1:12:44
the
1:12:44
opener
1:12:44
of
1:12:45
this
1:12:45
series
1:12:46
and
1:12:46
said,
1:12:47
look,
1:12:47
guys,
1:12:49
this
1:12:49
is
1:12:50
all
1:12:51
of
1:12:51
our
1:12:51
money
1:12:52
here.
1:12:52
Mine
1:12:53
as
1:12:53
much
1:12:53
as
1:12:54
yours.
1:12:55
Here's
1:12:55
what
1:12:55
I
1:12:55
want
1:12:56
to
1:12:56
do.
1:12:57
The
1:12:58
Tigers
1:12:58
had
1:12:58
two
1:12:58
ace
1:12:59
pitchers.
1:13:00
They
1:13:00
had
1:13:00
Dizzy
1:13:01
Trout
1:13:02
and
1:13:02
Bobo
1:13:03
or
1:13:04
Buck
1:13:04
Newsome,
1:13:05
depending
1:13:05
on
1:13:05
which
1:13:05
nickname
1:13:06
you
1:13:06
prefer
1:13:06
to
1:13:07
use.
1:13:08
The
1:13:09
Indians
1:13:10
had
1:13:11
Bob
1:13:12
Feller.
1:13:13
Feller
1:13:13
was
1:13:14
finally
1:13:14
going
1:13:14
to
1:13:14
be
1:13:15
pitching
1:13:15
on
1:13:15
full
1:13:16
rest.
1:13:16
He
1:13:16
had
1:13:17
pitched
1:13:17
not
1:13:17
only
1:13:17
as
1:13:18
a
1:13:18
starter,
1:13:18
but
1:13:18
as
1:13:18
a
1:13:18
reliever
1:13:19
through
1:13:19
much
1:13:19
of
1:13:19
September
1:13:20
and
1:13:21
was
1:13:21
exhausted.
1:13:22
But
1:13:23
Feller
1:13:23
was
1:13:23
going
1:13:23
to
1:13:23
be
1:13:23
pitching
1:13:24
on
1:13:24
full
1:13:24
rest.
1:13:27
And
1:13:27
Baker
1:13:28
said,
1:13:29
the
1:13:29
Indians
1:13:30
have
1:13:30
to
1:13:31
sweep
1:13:31
this
1:13:32
series
1:13:32
in
1:13:33
order
1:13:33
to
1:13:33
win
1:13:33
the
1:13:33
pennant.
1:13:34
We
1:13:34
only
1:13:35
need
1:13:36
one
1:13:36
game.
1:13:37
They
1:13:37
have
1:13:37
to
1:13:38
lead
1:13:38
with
1:13:38
their
1:13:38
ace.
1:13:39
They
1:13:40
have
1:13:40
to
1:13:40
start
1:13:40
Feller.
1:13:42
They
1:13:42
have
1:13:42
no
1:13:42
choice.
1:13:43
They
1:13:43
have
1:13:44
to
1:13:44
start
1:13:44
Feller
1:13:45
if
1:13:46
Feller
1:13:46
is
1:13:46
on
1:13:46
top
1:13:47
of
1:13:47
his
1:13:47
game.
1:13:48
Don't
1:13:48
mean
1:13:48
to
1:13:48
be
1:13:49
negative,
1:13:49
but
1:13:49
if
1:13:49
a
1:13:49
Feller
1:13:50
is
1:13:50
on
1:13:50
top
1:13:50
of
1:13:51
his
1:13:51
game,
1:13:51
we
1:13:52
will
1:13:52
probably
1:13:52
lose
1:13:53
the
1:13:54
first
1:13:54
game.
1:13:55
But
1:13:55
then
1:13:56
Vit
1:13:56
will
1:13:56
have
1:13:57
played
1:13:57
his
1:13:57
ace
1:13:59
and
1:13:59
he's
1:13:59
got
1:13:59
nothing
1:14:00
left.
1:14:01
I
1:14:01
still
1:14:01
have
1:14:02
Trout
1:14:02
and
1:14:03
Newsom
1:14:03
to
1:14:03
pitch
1:14:04
the
1:14:04
second
1:14:04
and
1:14:05
the
1:14:05
third
1:14:05
games
1:14:05
of
1:14:06
this
1:14:06
series.
1:14:07
Should
1:14:07
we
1:14:07
lose
1:14:08
to
1:14:08
Feller,
1:14:09
if
1:14:09
we
1:14:10
win,
1:14:10
great.
1:14:11
But
1:14:11
if
1:14:11
we
1:14:12
don't,
1:14:12
I've
1:14:12
got
1:14:13
Trout
1:14:13
and
1:14:13
Newsom.
1:14:14
And
1:14:14
Vid
1:14:15
has
1:14:15
to
1:14:15
pitch
1:14:15
his
1:14:16
second
1:14:16
liners
1:14:16
because
1:14:17
he's
1:14:17
used
1:14:17
his
1:14:17
ace.
1:14:18
I'm
1:14:19
going
1:14:19
to
1:14:19
start.
1:14:19
Floyd
1:14:20
Gable,
1:14:21
who
1:14:21
had
1:14:21
just
1:14:21
been
1:14:21
called
1:14:22
up
1:14:22
from
1:14:22
the
1:14:22
minor
1:14:22
leagues
1:14:23
a
1:14:23
Couple
1:14:23
of
1:14:23
weeks
1:14:24
before,
1:14:26
if
1:14:26
it's
1:14:26
okay
1:14:27
with
1:14:27
you
1:14:27
guys,
1:14:27
this
1:14:28
is
1:14:28
your
1:14:28
money
1:14:29
that
1:14:29
we're
1:14:29
messing
1:14:30
around
1:14:30
with.
1:14:31
But
1:14:31
I
1:14:31
think
1:14:31
this
1:14:31
is
1:14:32
the
1:14:32
strategy
1:14:32
to
1:14:32
use.
1:14:33
And
1:14:33
the
1:14:34
players
1:14:34
backed
1:14:34
him.
1:14:35
The
1:14:35
players
1:14:35
said,
1:14:35
yeah,
1:14:36
let's
1:14:36
do
1:14:36
it
1:14:37
that
1:14:37
way.
1:14:38
So
1:14:38
there
1:14:39
are
1:14:39
46,000
1:14:40
people
1:14:40
in
1:14:41
Municipal
1:14:41
Stadium.
1:14:43
Feller
1:14:43
pitches
1:14:44
a
1:14:44
three
1:14:45
hitter.
1:14:46
He
1:14:46
gives
1:14:47
up
1:14:47
a
1:14:47
two
1:14:47
run
1:14:47
homer
1:14:48
to
1:14:48
Rudy
1:14:49
York.
1:14:50
Gibel
1:14:51
pitches
1:14:51
a
1:14:52
shutout.
1:14:53
Yeah.
1:14:54
Pitched
1:14:55
two
1:14:55
games
1:14:56
that
1:14:56
year,
1:14:58
both
1:14:59
complete
1:14:59
games.
1:15:01
One
1:15:01
game
1:15:01
was
1:15:01
a
1:15:01
shutout.
1:15:02
Yes.
1:15:03
And
1:15:03
it
1:15:03
was
1:15:03
a
1:15:03
shutout
1:15:04
of
1:15:04
the
1:15:04
Indians.
1:15:05
Tigers
1:15:06
clinch
1:15:06
the
1:15:07
pennant.
1:15:07
So
1:15:08
the
1:15:08
next
1:15:08
day
1:15:08
and
1:15:08
the
1:15:09
day
1:15:09
after
1:15:09
the
1:15:09
games
1:15:09
mean
1:15:10
nothing
1:15:10
to
1:15:10
the
1:15:10
Tigers.
1:15:11
And
1:15:11
the
1:15:11
Indians
1:15:11
win
1:15:12
them
1:15:12
both
1:15:12
to
1:15:12
finish
1:15:13
one
1:15:13
game
1:15:13
behind.
1:15:14
But
1:15:14
that's
1:15:14
why
1:15:14
one
1:15:15
game
1:15:15
behind
1:15:15
is
1:15:15
a
1:15:16
tiny
1:15:16
bit
1:15:17
misleading.
1:15:18
Because
1:15:18
after
1:15:18
losing
1:15:19
on
1:15:19
Friday,
1:15:20
they
1:15:21
were
1:15:21
three
1:15:21
games
1:15:22
behind
1:15:22
with
1:15:22
two
1:15:23
games
1:15:23
to
1:15:23
play.
1:15:24
But
1:15:24
I
1:15:24
mean,
1:15:24
still
1:15:25
close,
1:15:25
it's
1:15:25
still
1:15:25
down
1:15:25
to
1:15:26
the
1:15:26
wire.
1:15:28
So
1:15:29
in
1:15:29
the
1:15:29
end,
1:15:30
Vit
1:15:31
loses
1:15:31
his
1:15:31
job.
1:15:32
After
1:15:32
the
1:15:32
season.
1:15:33
Bradley
1:15:33
really
1:15:33
didn't
1:15:34
have
1:15:34
much
1:15:34
of
1:15:34
a
1:15:34
choice,
1:15:35
did
1:15:35
he?
1:15:37
I
1:15:37
don't
1:15:38
think
1:15:38
so.
1:15:39
Bradley
1:15:40
was
1:15:40
in
1:15:40
a,
1:15:40
a
1:15:41
tough
1:15:41
position
1:15:43
all
1:15:43
the
1:15:43
way
1:15:44
through.
1:15:44
I
1:15:45
mean,
1:15:45
he
1:15:45
had,
1:15:45
first
1:15:45
of
1:15:46
all,
1:15:47
made
1:15:47
his
1:15:47
statement.
1:15:49
And
1:15:49
I,
1:15:49
I
1:15:50
explained
1:15:50
this.
1:15:50
I
1:15:50
didn't
1:15:51
know
1:15:51
this
1:15:51
myself
1:15:51
until
1:15:52
I
1:15:52
did
1:15:52
the
1:15:52
research
1:15:53
for
1:15:53
the
1:15:54
book.
1:15:54
And
1:15:54
this
1:15:55
story
1:15:56
absolutely,
1:15:58
absolutely
1:15:59
fascinated
1:16:00
me.
1:16:00
I
1:16:00
would
1:16:01
never
1:16:01
have
1:16:02
seen
1:16:02
this
1:16:02
coming.
1:16:04
But
1:16:04
according
1:16:05
to
1:16:06
Gordon
1:16:06
Cobbledick,
1:16:08
the
1:16:08
rebellion
1:16:09
was
1:16:10
supposed
1:16:10
to
1:16:11
have
1:16:11
taken
1:16:11
place
1:16:12
in
1:16:12
September
1:16:14
of,
1:16:15
of
1:16:15
rather,
1:16:16
August,
1:16:16
August
1:16:17
of
1:16:17
1939.
1:16:19
The
1:16:20
players
1:16:20
at
1:16:20
that
1:16:21
point
1:16:21
were
1:16:21
already
1:16:22
fed
1:16:22
up
1:16:23
with
1:16:23
Vit,
1:16:24
and
1:16:24
they
1:16:25
were
1:16:25
planning
1:16:26
to
1:16:26
go
1:16:26
to
1:16:27
Bradley
1:16:27
and
1:16:28
demand
1:16:28
that
1:16:29
he
1:16:29
be
1:16:29
fired.
1:16:31
And
1:16:31
what
1:16:32
transpired
1:16:33
was
1:16:34
this.
1:16:34
The
1:16:35
players,
1:16:36
the
1:16:37
Indians
1:16:37
were
1:16:37
in
1:16:37
New
1:16:38
York
1:16:39
figuring
1:16:40
the
1:16:40
Yankees
1:16:40
are
1:16:41
going
1:16:41
to
1:16:41
beat
1:16:41
up
1:16:41
on
1:16:42
us.
1:16:42
So
1:16:43
we'll
1:16:43
go
1:16:43
home
1:16:43
on
1:16:43
a
1:16:44
losing
1:16:44
streak.
1:16:44
And
1:16:45
that'll
1:16:45
really
1:16:45
give
1:16:45
us
1:16:45
plenty
1:16:46
of
1:16:46
ammunition
1:16:46
to
1:16:47
go
1:16:47
into
1:16:47
Bradley
1:16:48
and
1:16:48
tell
1:16:48
him,
1:16:48
vitz,
1:16:49
gotta
1:16:50
go.
1:16:51
Well,
1:16:52
what
1:16:52
should
1:16:52
happen?
1:16:53
But
1:16:54
the
1:16:54
Indians
1:16:55
sweep
1:16:55
a
1:16:55
doubleheader
1:16:56
from
1:16:56
the
1:16:56
Yankees.
1:16:58
Okay,
1:16:59
that
1:16:59
kind
1:16:59
of
1:16:59
throws
1:16:59
a
1:16:59
monkey
1:17:00
wrench
1:17:00
into
1:17:00
the
1:17:00
plans.
1:17:01
How
1:17:01
are
1:17:01
we
1:17:01
supposed
1:17:01
to
1:17:02
go
1:17:02
to
1:17:02
Bradley
1:17:02
now
1:17:03
and
1:17:03
tell
1:17:03
him
1:17:03
we
1:17:03
can't
1:17:04
win
1:17:04
for
1:17:04
this
1:17:04
guy
1:17:04
when
1:17:04
we
1:17:05
just
1:17:05
took
1:17:05
a
1:17:05
double
1:17:06
header
1:17:06
on
1:17:07
the
1:17:07
home
1:17:07
field
1:17:08
of
1:17:08
the,
1:17:08
of
1:17:09
the
1:17:09
Yankees?
1:17:09
So
1:17:10
we
1:17:10
better
1:17:11
put
1:17:11
this
1:17:11
on
1:17:11
the
1:17:12
back
1:17:12
burner.
1:17:13
Now.
1:17:13
In
1:17:13
the
1:17:13
meantime,
1:17:15
a
1:17:15
New
1:17:15
York
1:17:16
newspaper
1:17:17
had
1:17:17
apparently
1:17:18
gotten
1:17:18
wind
1:17:18
of
1:17:19
what
1:17:19
the
1:17:19
players
1:17:20
planned
1:17:20
to
1:17:20
do.
1:17:22
And
1:17:23
one
1:17:23
New
1:17:23
York
1:17:23
newspaper.
1:17:24
And
1:17:24
of
1:17:24
course
1:17:24
there
1:17:24
were,
1:17:25
I
1:17:25
don't
1:17:25
know,
1:17:25
20
1:17:25
New
1:17:25
York
1:17:26
newspapers,
1:17:26
but
1:17:27
one
1:17:27
newspaper
1:17:29
printed
1:17:29
a
1:17:29
story
1:17:30
that
1:17:30
said,
1:17:31
Oscar
1:17:31
Vit
1:17:32
is
1:17:32
doomed.
1:17:33
Oscar
1:17:34
Vit
1:17:34
is
1:17:34
done
1:17:35
as
1:17:36
manager
1:17:36
of
1:17:36
the
1:17:37
Indians.
1:17:39
Apparently,
1:17:41
Bradley
1:17:42
either
1:17:42
saw
1:17:43
the
1:17:43
story
1:17:44
or
1:17:44
got
1:17:44
Wind
1:17:45
of
1:17:45
it
1:17:46
somehow
1:17:48
and
1:17:48
decided
1:17:49
at
1:17:49
this
1:17:49
point,
1:17:51
I'm
1:17:51
gonna
1:17:52
nip
1:17:53
this
1:17:53
in
1:17:53
the
1:17:53
bud.
1:17:53
If
1:17:54
I
1:17:54
may
1:17:54
quote
1:17:54
Barney
1:17:55
Fife,
1:17:55
I'm
1:17:56
going
1:17:56
to
1:17:56
nip
1:17:56
this
1:17:56
in
1:17:56
the
1:17:57
bud.
1:17:59
I'm
1:17:59
going
1:17:59
to
1:17:59
rehire
1:18:00
Vit
1:18:00
for
1:18:01
next
1:18:01
year.
1:18:01
If
1:18:02
there
1:18:02
is
1:18:02
a
1:18:03
player
1:18:03
rebellion
1:18:04
brewing,
1:18:05
I'm
1:18:05
going
1:18:05
to
1:18:05
put
1:18:06
a
1:18:06
stop
1:18:06
to
1:18:06
it
1:18:06
right
1:18:07
now
1:18:07
by
1:18:08
signing
1:18:08
Vit
1:18:09
for
1:18:10
next
1:18:10
year.
1:18:12
And
1:18:12
did
1:18:13
the
1:18:13
Indians
1:18:13
swept
1:18:13
that
1:18:14
double
1:18:14
header.
1:18:14
It
1:18:14
was
1:18:14
on
1:18:15
August
1:18:15
7th.
1:18:16
Bradley
1:18:17
rehired
1:18:18
VIT
1:18:19
on
1:18:19
August
1:18:20
11th,
1:18:21
and
1:18:22
so
1:18:22
the
1:18:22
rebellion
1:18:23
didn't
1:18:24
take
1:18:24
place.
1:18:24
What
1:18:24
good
1:18:25
is
1:18:25
it
1:18:25
going
1:18:25
to
1:18:25
do
1:18:26
now?
1:18:26
He's
1:18:27
been
1:18:27
rehired
1:18:27
for
1:18:28
next
1:18:28
year.
1:18:28
Are
1:18:28
we
1:18:28
going
1:18:29
to
1:18:29
march
1:18:29
on
1:18:29
Bradley's
1:18:30
office
1:18:30
after
1:18:30
he
1:18:31
hires
1:18:31
the
1:18:31
manager
1:18:32
for
1:18:32
another
1:18:32
year
1:18:33
and
1:18:33
tell
1:18:33
him
1:18:33
fire
1:18:34
him
1:18:34
anyway?
1:18:35
So
1:18:36
the
1:18:36
rebellion
1:18:37
that
1:18:37
was
1:18:37
supposed
1:18:38
to
1:18:38
happen
1:18:38
in
1:18:39
August
1:18:39
of
1:18:39
39
1:18:41
then
1:18:41
doesn't
1:18:42
happen
1:18:42
until
1:18:42
June
1:18:43
of
1:18:43
40
1:18:43
because
1:18:44
the
1:18:44
conditions
1:18:45
never
1:18:45
do
1:18:45
get
1:18:45
better.
1:18:46
In
1:18:46
fact,
1:18:47
they
1:18:47
get
1:18:48
worse.
1:18:48
Then
1:18:49
what
1:18:49
are
1:18:49
you
1:18:50
going
1:18:50
to
1:18:50
do
1:18:50
if
1:18:51
you're
1:18:52
Alva
1:18:52
Bradley
1:18:53
and
1:18:53
your
1:18:54
players
1:18:54
come
1:18:54
to
1:18:54
you,
1:18:55
and
1:18:56
this
1:18:56
is
1:18:56
without
1:18:57
precedent
1:18:57
now,
1:18:58
there
1:18:58
were
1:18:58
no
1:18:58
doubt
1:18:59
other
1:18:59
instances
1:19:00
when
1:19:00
players
1:19:01
didn't
1:19:01
like
1:19:01
the
1:19:01
manager
1:19:02
and
1:19:03
sought
1:19:03
to
1:19:03
undercut
1:19:04
him,
1:19:05
but
1:19:05
never
1:19:05
did
1:19:06
anybody
1:19:06
just
1:19:07
go
1:19:07
right
1:19:07
into
1:19:08
the
1:19:08
owner
1:19:08
and
1:19:08
say,
1:19:08
fire
1:19:09
this
1:19:09
guy.
1:19:10
We
1:19:10
want
1:19:11
him
1:19:11
out.
1:19:12
Nobody
1:19:13
has
1:19:13
ever
1:19:13
done
1:19:13
that.
1:19:14
If
1:19:14
Bradley
1:19:15
gives
1:19:15
in,
1:19:16
then
1:19:17
what
1:19:17
kind
1:19:17
of
1:19:17
can
1:19:17
of
1:19:17
worms
1:19:18
are
1:19:18
you
1:19:18
opening?
1:19:19
Players
1:19:19
in
1:19:19
all
1:19:20
sports
1:19:20
are
1:19:20
good.
1:19:20
Hey,
1:19:21
look
1:19:21
what
1:19:21
the
1:19:21
Indians
1:19:21
did.
1:19:21
They
1:19:22
got
1:19:22
rid
1:19:22
of
1:19:22
this
1:19:22
guy
1:19:22
they
1:19:22
didn't
1:19:23
like.
1:19:23
We
1:19:23
don't
1:19:23
like
1:19:24
our
1:19:24
manager.
1:19:24
We
1:19:24
don't
1:19:25
like
1:19:25
our
1:19:25
coach.
1:19:25
Maybe
1:19:26
our
1:19:26
ownership
1:19:27
will
1:19:27
do
1:19:27
the
1:19:27
same
1:19:27
thing.
1:19:28
Warren,
1:19:28
you
1:19:29
can't
1:19:29
have
1:19:29
the
1:19:29
players.
1:19:30
I
1:19:30
can't
1:19:30
have
1:19:30
the
1:19:31
inmates
1:19:31
running
1:19:31
the
1:19:31
asylum.
1:19:32
You
1:19:32
just
1:19:33
can't
1:19:33
do
1:19:34
it.
1:19:35
But
1:19:35
at
1:19:35
the
1:19:35
same
1:19:36
time,
1:19:37
you.
1:19:37
You
1:19:37
can't
1:19:38
keep
1:19:38
this
1:19:38
guy
1:19:39
around
1:19:39
after
1:19:41
this
1:19:41
year.
1:19:41
Why
1:19:42
they
1:19:42
dragged
1:19:42
it
1:19:42
out.
1:19:43
I
1:19:43
don't
1:19:43
know
1:19:43
why
1:19:43
they
1:19:44
just
1:19:44
didn't
1:19:44
announce
1:19:44
the
1:19:45
day
1:19:45
after
1:19:45
the
1:19:46
final
1:19:46
game
1:19:46
of
1:19:46
the
1:19:46
season.
1:19:47
Vit
1:19:48
is
1:19:48
done.
1:19:49
Especially
1:19:50
when
1:19:50
your
1:19:50
players
1:19:50
have
1:19:51
gone
1:19:51
to
1:19:52
the
1:19:52
beat
1:19:52
writer
1:19:53
for
1:19:53
the
1:19:53
Cleveland
1:19:53
Plain
1:19:54
Dealer
1:19:54
and
1:19:54
said,
1:19:55
put
1:19:55
this
1:19:55
in
1:19:55
your
1:19:55
paper.
1:19:56
We
1:19:56
are
1:19:56
ignoring
1:19:57
Vit
1:19:58
from
1:19:58
now
1:19:58
on.
1:20:00
You
1:20:00
can't
1:20:00
keep
1:20:01
this
1:20:01
guy.
1:20:01
As.
1:20:02
I
1:20:02
mean,
1:20:02
what
1:20:02
kind
1:20:02
of
1:20:02
tough
1:20:03
guy
1:20:03
are
1:20:03
you
1:20:03
trying
1:20:03
to
1:20:04
be?
1:20:04
If
1:20:04
you're
1:20:04
going
1:20:04
to
1:20:04
tell
1:20:05
him
1:20:05
Vit
1:20:05
is
1:20:06
my
1:20:06
man
1:20:06
and
1:20:07
he
1:20:07
stays,
1:20:08
understand
1:20:08
that
1:20:09
that's
1:20:09
not
1:20:10
going
1:20:10
to
1:20:10
work.
1:20:11
Gary,
1:20:12
we've
1:20:12
been
1:20:12
on
1:20:12
this
1:20:12
for
1:20:13
a
1:20:13
long
1:20:13
time.
1:20:14
We
1:20:14
start
1:20:15
wrapping
1:20:15
this
1:20:15
up,
1:20:16
I
1:20:16
do
1:20:16
need
1:20:16
to
1:20:17
ask
1:20:17
this
1:20:17
last
1:20:18
question.
1:20:19
That
1:20:20
was
1:20:20
it
1:20:20
for
1:20:20
Vit.
1:20:21
1940.
1:20:22
Never
1:20:22
saw
1:20:22
the
1:20:23
majors
1:20:23
again
1:20:23
as
1:20:23
a
1:20:24
manager.
1:20:24
Did
1:20:25
that.
1:20:26
Is
1:20:26
that
1:20:26
why?
1:20:28
Well,
1:20:29
when
1:20:29
he.
1:20:30
When
1:20:30
he
1:20:30
left
1:20:30
town,
1:20:32
he
1:20:32
did
1:20:32
say,
1:20:33
I
1:20:33
will
1:20:33
probably
1:20:34
retire.
1:20:35
Unless
1:20:35
somebody
1:20:36
gives
1:20:36
me
1:20:36
a
1:20:36
really
1:20:37
good
1:20:37
offer,
1:20:38
I
1:20:38
will
1:20:38
probably
1:20:39
retire.
1:20:40
And
1:20:40
somebody
1:20:41
did.
1:20:41
He
1:20:42
was
1:20:42
hired
1:20:42
to
1:20:42
manage
1:20:42
the
1:20:43
Portland
1:20:43
Beavers
1:20:44
of
1:20:44
the
1:20:44
Pacific
1:20:45
Coast
1:20:45
League
1:20:46
at
1:20:46
a
1:20:46
salary
1:20:47
of
1:20:48
$10,000.
1:20:50
Now,
1:20:50
I
1:20:50
don't
1:20:51
know
1:20:51
if
1:20:51
that
1:20:51
was
1:20:51
a
1:20:52
really
1:20:52
good
1:20:52
minor
1:20:52
league
1:20:53
salary
1:20:53
for
1:20:53
1941,
1:20:54
but
1:20:54
I'm
1:20:54
guessing
1:20:55
it
1:20:55
probably
1:20:55
was
1:20:56
pretty
1:20:56
good
1:20:56
salary
1:20:57
for
1:20:57
a
1:20:57
minor
1:20:57
league
1:20:57
manager.
1:20:59
But
1:20:59
as
1:20:59
far
1:21:00
as
1:21:00
the
1:21:00
major
1:21:00
leagues
1:21:01
are
1:21:01
concerned,
1:21:04
how
1:21:04
could
1:21:04
any
1:21:05
owner
1:21:07
justify.
1:21:09
You
1:21:09
know,
1:21:09
I
1:21:10
don't
1:21:10
want
1:21:10
to
1:21:10
phrase
1:21:10
it
1:21:10
the
1:21:10
way
1:21:11
I'm
1:21:11
going
1:21:11
to
1:21:11
phrase
1:21:11
it
1:21:11
because
1:21:12
it's
1:21:12
going
1:21:12
to
1:21:12
come
1:21:12
out
1:21:12
differently
1:21:13
than
1:21:13
I
1:21:14
really
1:21:14
mean
1:21:14
it.
1:21:15
How
1:21:15
can
1:21:15
any
1:21:15
owner
1:21:16
justify
1:21:17
hiring
1:21:17
Oscar
1:21:18
Witt?
1:21:19
Yeah,
1:21:19
I
1:21:19
don't
1:21:20
mean
1:21:20
that
1:21:20
as
1:21:20
a
1:21:20
slap
1:21:21
at
1:21:21
Vit,
1:21:22
but
1:21:22
how
1:21:23
can
1:21:23
you
1:21:23
go
1:21:23
to
1:21:23
your
1:21:24
fan
1:21:24
base
1:21:25
and
1:21:25
say,
1:21:25
I'm
1:21:26
going
1:21:26
to
1:21:26
hire
1:21:26
this
1:21:26
guy
1:21:27
that
1:21:27
they
1:21:27
ran
1:21:27
out
1:21:27
of
1:21:27
Cleveland
1:21:28
on
1:21:28
a
1:21:28
rail.
1:21:29
The
1:21:29
players
1:21:29
did
1:21:30
it.
1:21:30
I'm
1:21:30
going
1:21:30
to
1:21:31
hire
1:21:31
him
1:21:31
to
1:21:31
manage
1:21:32
my
1:21:32
team
1:21:33
anyway.
1:21:34
How
1:21:34
can
1:21:34
you
1:21:35
do
1:21:35
that?
1:21:35
It
1:21:35
just
1:21:36
was
1:21:36
not
1:21:36
feasible
1:21:37
as
1:21:38
I
1:21:38
see
1:21:38
it.
1:21:39
Right.
1:21:41
Yep,
1:21:41
you're
1:21:41
right.
1:21:44
With
1:21:44
all
1:21:45
this,
1:21:45
you
1:21:45
can't
1:21:46
hire
1:21:46
too
1:21:47
much
1:21:47
baggage.
1:21:47
As
1:21:48
they
1:21:48
would
1:21:48
say,
1:21:48
cry
1:21:49
baby
1:21:50
rebellion.
1:21:51
I
1:21:51
can't
1:21:52
wait
1:21:52
to
1:21:52
read
1:21:52
it.
1:21:53
What
1:21:54
a
1:21:54
great
1:21:54
title.
1:21:56
I'm
1:21:56
looking
1:21:57
forward
1:21:57
to
1:21:57
reading
1:21:58
the
1:21:58
book.
1:21:58
I
1:21:59
am
1:21:59
so
1:21:59
happy
1:22:00
we
1:22:01
were
1:22:01
finally
1:22:01
able
1:22:01
to
1:22:02
do
1:22:02
a
1:22:02
show
1:22:02
face
1:22:03
to
1:22:03
face.
1:22:04
Gary,
1:22:04
it's
1:22:05
been
1:22:05
wonderful.
1:22:06
Well,
1:22:06
I'm
1:22:07
really
1:22:07
glad
1:22:07
we
1:22:07
had
1:22:07
this
1:22:07
Zoom
1:22:08
meeting,
1:22:08
Warren.
1:22:09
And
1:22:09
let
1:22:09
me
1:22:10
say
1:22:10
that
1:22:10
I'm
1:22:10
very
1:22:11
anxious
1:22:11
to
1:22:11
read
1:22:12
your
1:22:12
book.
1:22:12
I'm
1:22:12
looking
1:22:13
forward
1:22:13
to
1:22:13
your
1:22:13
book
1:22:14
on
1:22:14
the
1:22:14
College
1:22:15
All
1:22:15
Star
1:22:15
Game.
1:22:16
In
1:22:16
fact,
1:22:17
I
1:22:17
was
1:22:17
just
1:22:17
visiting
1:22:18
friends
1:22:18
this
1:22:19
evening
1:22:19
and
1:22:19
mentioning
1:22:20
the
1:22:20
fact
1:22:20
that
1:22:20
I
1:22:20
was
1:22:21
going
1:22:21
to
1:22:21
have
1:22:21
this
1:22:22
Zoom
1:22:22
meeting
1:22:23
and
1:22:24
that
1:22:24
I'm
1:22:25
looking
1:22:25
forward
1:22:25
to
1:22:25
the
1:22:25
publication
1:22:26
of
1:22:27
your
1:22:27
book
1:22:27
because
1:22:28
I
1:22:29
have
1:22:29
never
1:22:29
been
1:22:29
quoted
1:22:30
in
1:22:30
somebody
1:22:31
else's
1:22:31
book
1:22:31
before.
1:22:33
And
1:22:34
my
1:22:34
friend
1:22:34
said
1:22:35
to
1:22:35
me,
1:22:35
wow,
1:22:35
that's
1:22:36
got
1:22:36
to
1:22:36
be
1:22:36
the
1:22:36
coolest
1:22:37
thing,
1:22:37
seeing
1:22:37
your
1:22:38
words
1:22:38
quoted
1:22:38
in
1:22:39
somebody
1:22:39
else's
1:22:39
book.
1:22:40
And
1:22:40
I
1:22:40
said,
1:22:40
yes,
1:22:40
I
1:22:41
can't
1:22:41
wait
1:22:41
to
1:22:41
see
1:22:42
what
1:22:42
things
1:22:43
I
1:22:43
said
1:22:43
that
1:22:43
Warren
1:22:44
decided
1:22:44
to
1:22:45
put
1:22:45
in
1:22:45
his
1:22:45
book.
1:22:46
And
1:22:46
not
1:22:46
only
1:22:47
for
1:22:47
that
1:22:47
reason,
1:22:48
but
1:22:48
I'm
1:22:48
anxious
1:22:49
to
1:22:49
know
1:22:49
a
1:22:49
lot
1:22:49
about
1:22:49
the
1:22:50
College
1:22:50
All
1:22:50
Star
1:22:50
Game
1:22:51
because
1:22:51
it
1:22:51
was
1:22:51
going
1:22:51
on
1:22:53
when
1:22:53
I
1:22:53
was
1:22:54
cutting
1:22:55
my
1:22:55
teeth
1:22:55
as
1:22:55
a
1:22:56
football
1:22:56
fan.
1:22:56
It
1:22:56
went
1:22:56
on
1:22:57
till
1:22:57
1976.
1:22:59
So
1:22:59
I
1:22:59
know
1:22:59
about
1:22:59
the
1:23:00
College
1:23:00
All
1:23:00
Star
1:23:00
Game.
1:23:01
In
1:23:01
fact,
1:23:02
I
1:23:02
believe
1:23:03
maybe
1:23:03
you
1:23:03
can
1:23:03
tell
1:23:03
me
1:23:04
this.
1:23:06
I
1:23:06
think
1:23:07
when
1:23:07
my
1:23:07
Cleveland
1:23:08
Browns
1:23:08
won
1:23:09
the
1:23:09
1964
1:23:10
championship,
1:23:11
I
1:23:12
think
1:23:12
they
1:23:12
lost
1:23:12
to
1:23:12
the
1:23:13
College
1:23:13
All
1:23:13
Stars
1:23:13
the
1:23:14
next
1:23:14
year.
1:23:15
No,
1:23:15
they
1:23:15
won.
1:23:16
Did
1:23:16
they
1:23:16
win?
1:23:17
Yeah.
1:23:17
The
1:23:17
last
1:23:18
time
1:23:18
the
1:23:18
All
1:23:19
Stars
1:23:19
won
1:23:19
a
1:23:20
game
1:23:20
was
1:23:21
over
1:23:21
Vince
1:23:22
Lombardi's
1:23:23
Green
1:23:23
Bay
1:23:23
packers
1:23:25
in
1:23:25
63,
1:23:26
I
1:23:27
think
1:23:27
it
1:23:27
was.
1:23:27
And
1:23:27
Vince
1:23:28
was
1:23:28
not
1:23:29
happy.
1:23:30
And
1:23:30
people
1:23:30
need
1:23:30
to
1:23:31
understand
1:23:31
how
1:23:31
much
1:23:32
more
1:23:32
seriously
1:23:33
players
1:23:33
and
1:23:34
fans
1:23:34
and
1:23:34
coaches
1:23:35
took
1:23:35
exhibition
1:23:36
games
1:23:36
in
1:23:36
those
1:23:36
days.
1:23:37
It
1:23:37
was
1:23:37
a
1:23:37
big
1:23:37
deal.
1:23:37
Remember,
1:23:38
there
1:23:38
was
1:23:39
a
1:23:39
time
1:23:39
when
1:23:39
the
1:23:39
NFL
1:23:40
played
1:23:40
six
1:23:40
exhibition
1:23:41
games
1:23:42
a
1:23:42
year
1:23:43
and
1:23:43
now
1:23:43
we're
1:23:44
down
1:23:44
to
1:23:44
three
1:23:44
and
1:23:45
soon
1:23:45
enough
1:23:45
it's
1:23:45
going
1:23:45
to
1:23:46
be
1:23:46
two
1:23:46
and
1:23:46
they
1:23:47
hardly
1:23:47
count
1:23:47
anyway.
1:23:48
But
1:23:48
yes,
1:23:48
I
1:23:48
can
1:23:49
imagine
1:23:49
Lombardi
1:23:50
must
1:23:50
have
1:23:50
been
1:23:51
climbing
1:23:51
the
1:23:51
walls
1:23:52
after
1:23:52
the
1:23:52
packers
1:23:53
lost
1:23:53
to
1:23:54
the
1:23:54
College
1:23:54
All
1:23:54
Stars.
1:23:55
I
1:23:55
want
1:23:55
to
1:23:55
read
1:23:55
about
1:23:55
that
1:23:56
and
1:23:56
all
1:23:57
about
1:23:57
the
1:23:57
All
1:23:57
Star
1:23:57
Game.
1:23:58
Yeah,
1:23:58
there's
1:23:58
a
1:23:58
bunch
1:23:59
of
1:23:59
good
1:23:59
stuff
1:23:59
in
1:23:59
there.
1:23:59
I
1:23:59
can't
1:24:00
wait
1:24:00
for
1:24:00
it
1:24:00
to
1:24:00
come
1:24:00
out.
1:24:01
Gary,
1:24:01
thank
1:24:01
you
1:24:02
so
1:24:02
much
1:24:02
for
1:24:02
being
1:24:02
my
1:24:03
guest
1:24:03
today.
1:24:03
I
1:24:03
can't
1:24:04
wait
1:24:04
till
1:24:04
we
1:24:04
do
1:24:04
it
1:24:04
again.
1:24:05
Warren
1:24:05
it's
1:24:06
my
1:24:06
pleasure
1:24:06
and
1:24:06
I'm
1:24:07
looking
1:24:07
forward
1:24:07
to
1:24:07
it.
1:24:09
As
1:24:10
a
1:24:10
player,
1:24:10
Vitt
1:24:11
spent
1:24:11
seven
1:24:11
years
1:24:12
with
1:24:12
the
1:24:13
Detroit
1:24:13
Tigers,
1:24:14
in
1:24:14
three
1:24:14
with
1:24:15
the
1:24:15
Boston
1:24:15
Red
1:24:16
Sox.
1:24:17
He
1:24:17
had
1:24:17
a
1:24:17
career
1:24:18
batting
1:24:18
average
1:24:18
of.238
1:24:19
while
1:24:20
playing
1:24:20
all
1:24:21
three
1:24:21
outfield
1:24:22
positions,
1:24:23
second
1:24:23
base
1:24:24
and
1:24:24
third
1:24:25
base.
1:24:25
He
1:24:26
also
1:24:26
appeared
1:24:26
in
1:24:26
one
1:24:27
game
1:24:27
at
1:24:27
shortstop.
1:24:28
His
1:24:28
biggest
1:24:29
contribution,
1:24:30
though,
1:24:30
came
1:24:30
as
1:24:31
a
1:24:31
manager
1:24:32
during
1:24:32
his
1:24:32
three
1:24:33
seasons
1:24:33
in
1:24:33
Cleveland,
1:24:34
where
1:24:35
he
1:24:35
won
1:24:35
262
1:24:36
games
1:24:37
and
1:24:37
lost
1:24:38
198
1:24:39
for
1:24:40
a
1:24:40
career
1:24:41
winning
1:24:41
percentage
1:24:42
of.570.
1:24:44
Not
1:24:44
bad
1:24:44
at
1:24:44
all.
1:24:45
Thanks
1:24:46
again
1:24:46
to
1:24:46
my
1:24:46
guest
1:24:46
today,
1:24:47
Gary
1:24:47
Webster.
1:24:48
Check
1:24:48
out
1:24:48
his
1:24:48
new
1:24:48
book,
1:24:49
Cry
1:24:50
Baby
1:24:50
Rebellion.
1:24:51
You
1:24:52
won't
1:24:52
be
1:24:52
disappointed.
1:24:53
Thanks
1:24:54
to
1:24:54
all
1:24:54
of
1:24:54
you
1:24:54
for
1:24:55
joining
1:24:55
me
1:24:55
today
1:24:56
and
1:24:56
I'll
1:24:56
see
1:24:56
you
1:24:56
next
1:24:56
time
1:24:57
on
1:24:57
Sports.
1:24:58
Forgotten
1:24:59
Heroes.