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Derek Carr talks Max Crosby's future, Derek's return to the league, NFL Franchise tags · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecop three
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  Speaker 1: and out podcast. How are we doing? We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: some football today and we're gonna do it to start
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  Speaker 1: with a former NFL quarterback, potentially unretired NFL quarterback, Derek Carr,
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  Speaker 1: longtime Raider quarterback, former Fresno State Bulldog, will join the
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  Speaker 1: show today and we will chop it up about him
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  Speaker 1: coming back, about just a bunch of different stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: then after I talk to Derek, I'm gonna react to
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  Speaker 1: just some of the news on the franchise tags, Drew Dolman,
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  Speaker 1: the Star Star would be strong but really good center
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  Speaker 1: for the Bears, randomly retired Kyler, Murray Cutt, Trey Hendrickson
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  Speaker 1: not tagged, just available after what he went through last year.
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  Speaker 1: So we got a lot going on and still several
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  Speaker 1: days still free agency. But so car will join us
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  Speaker 1: who might be involved next week and is come back
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  Speaker 1: and then and then we'll just do about fifteen twenty
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  Speaker 1: watch on YouTube. Let's dive into some football. Okay, very
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  Speaker 1: very excited.
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  Speaker 2: Do have a.
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  Speaker 1: Former NFL quarterback. I don't know if that's about to change,
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  Speaker 1: but former buddy of mine from Fresno State, Derek Carr,
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  Speaker 1: live from Fresno, California, DC. How you doing, bro?
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  Speaker 2: I am doing great, man, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: How's life you got? The big family got? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: retired at thirty three years old? Must be nice.
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  Speaker 2: It's not bad at all. Yeah, I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 3: I was spent all last season coaching my kids and
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  Speaker 3: so I haven't been able to do that and be
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  Speaker 3: that focused on them for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: So that was great.
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  Speaker 1: What are the kids ages now?
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  Speaker 2: Man? We got twelve, about to be ten.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, those are the two older boys, and then I
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  Speaker 3: got six, and then I got five little girl, little princess.
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  Speaker 2: And then we got one on the way next month,
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  Speaker 2: we got five. So congratulated. Yeah, thank you you have
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  Speaker 2: a I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean you have a basketball starting lineup.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's what I told my wife.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, if we have another one, we run
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  Speaker 3: the risk of me having to play a fivesome on
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  Speaker 3: the golf course.
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  Speaker 2: And I never want to do that. And so I'm
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  Speaker 2: that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, how great is it having do your boys play golf?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, so's it's a great.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just I have a seven week old,
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  Speaker 1: which is yeah, you know, it's not easy. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's a crid, but it's like, just get to like
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  Speaker 1: seven eight years old. I never need an excuse to
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  Speaker 1: go to golf course. You know, we just get at
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  Speaker 1: any moment and she's cool to get him out of
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  Speaker 1: the house.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I take them all the time, Like so,
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  Speaker 3: I take them one at a time and have like
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  Speaker 3: little dates with them. You know, take my boys and
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  Speaker 3: you know, take my little girl out there everybody, and
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  Speaker 3: it's always it's always like one of their favorite times.
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  Speaker 2: So not only is it is it good for us,
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  Speaker 2: but they enjoy it too.
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  Speaker 1: Future quarterbacks or you're not a right, No, I got one.
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  Speaker 3: I for sure definitely have one. Was coached him this year.
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  Speaker 3: He was nine years old.
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  Speaker 2: Playing up.
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  Speaker 3: I make him play up on my twelve year olds
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  Speaker 3: teams and uh. And he was nine years old just
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  Speaker 3: throwing three four touchdowns a game. He'd throw a pick,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't care, like the just perfect mentality, like I'll get
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  Speaker 3: it back dad, my bad like just like does no
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  Speaker 3: no phase at all. I'm losing my mind, like why
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  Speaker 3: didn't you throw the post? And he's like, it's my bad, dad,
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  Speaker 3: I'll get it, you know. And so he's got the
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  Speaker 3: perfect demeanor one to do it. My oldest plays receiver
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  Speaker 3: in safety and he hardest working might be person that
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  Speaker 3: I know. I'll just catch him in the backyard running sprints.
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  Speaker 3: I can catch him working on his footwork, working on
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  Speaker 3: the dribbling.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then my my third boy is definitely a three
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  Speaker 3: technique or a middle linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Just wants to rip people's heads off. So we'll see what's.
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  Speaker 1: What's the scouting report on the receiver more Hunter renfro
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  Speaker 1: or more DeVante.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's more Tay.
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  Speaker 3: He's big, he's strong, like people try and get their
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  Speaker 3: hands on him, uh, and he just runs right through
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  Speaker 3: them like they can't get their hands on him.
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  Speaker 2: It was funny, man.
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  Speaker 3: They started h obviously I'm calling the plays so you
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  Speaker 3: could imagine where the ball was going. And they people
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  Speaker 3: started doubling him, putting the best player on him, cutting
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  Speaker 3: the safety on him. Uh and and he's still getting open.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm so proud of him because it started off
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  Speaker 3: like we didn't know what he was gonna do, but
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  Speaker 3: he's like, no, this is what I'm gonna do. And
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  Speaker 3: he just worked his butt off and now he's he
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  Speaker 3: was one of the best players in the whole league.
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  Speaker 2: It was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Are you you like, I'm sure you've seen those clips
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  Speaker 1: from Greg Olsen. You know the standard in which they
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  Speaker 1: hold the little kids too. I mean, are you like
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  Speaker 1: Gruden throwing it all on them, or are you keeping like
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  Speaker 1: just the basic high school spread offense, just a couple
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  Speaker 1: couple numbers to run plays.
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  Speaker 3: So what's really funny is I throw a lot at
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  Speaker 3: them in the training camp part, just to see what'll stick,
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  Speaker 3: and they started picking up like I'm running like choice Stuccoh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm running like plays with them, and they have no clue.
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  Speaker 3: I'm calling them like thor and Iron Man and Spider Man.
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  Speaker 3: They have no clue what it is, but they're running
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  Speaker 3: like real NFL concepts reading coverage to say, if they
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  Speaker 3: play too high, I want you to go like this.
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  Speaker 3: They have one guy in the middle goal like this,
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  Speaker 3: and they're doing it. I just just to see if
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  Speaker 3: they could do it. And so we ended up the
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  Speaker 3: team I think the year before like one no games,
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  Speaker 3: maybe scored one touchdown. We end up winning seven and
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  Speaker 3: we one of the highest scoring teams. So and it's
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  Speaker 3: all due to the kids just being able to pick
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  Speaker 3: them up.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So before we dive into your names, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: just type your Derek Carr into Google right now. Last year,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say it for you, it probably
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  Speaker 1: didn't come out of nowhere, but you know, you retire
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  Speaker 1: based on an injury because you didn't want to just
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  Speaker 1: go on in reserve and take a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 1: Can you take me through that, like, did you get
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  Speaker 1: surgery this offseason? Did you just rehab? Like how did
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  Speaker 1: that all play out? The ending of the Saints and
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  Speaker 1: the situation you found yourself in.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great question.
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  Speaker 3: So what happened was is come around March end of February,
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  Speaker 3: early March. I cameraer the exact date now, but I
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  Speaker 3: start my throwing you know, to get ready and this
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  Speaker 3: is easy me. I was just start playing catch. I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't throw the ball ten fifteen yards like I'd go
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  Speaker 3: to throw it. I was like, dude, something, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was just awkward from resting, and I
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  Speaker 3: kept trying and it just was not okay. So I
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  Speaker 3: went and you know, had my doc look at it,
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  Speaker 3: and surgery was an option. You could get a shot,
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  Speaker 3: get a shot in it, and then rehabit. And I
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  Speaker 3: was either way, I was not going to be ready
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  Speaker 3: until you know, November December, and and Mickey was great,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with the GM Saints. Like Mickey was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: we want you back, man, Like you know, you've played
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven games for us, You've played really well.
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  Speaker 2: We just you know, built around you win some more games.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be awesome. And and he was great.
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  Speaker 3: But I was like, Mickey, I'm not going to be ready,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like someone's gonna be taking all the OTA reps,
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  Speaker 3: all the training camp reps, leading the football team, all
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  Speaker 3: these things, and then come week thirteen, fourteen fifteen, whenever
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  Speaker 3: it is that I'm ready, I just step in and
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  Speaker 3: take over. I say, that's that's not fair to the team.
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  Speaker 3: That's not fair to you. That's not fair to me.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, man, I can't do it. So
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  Speaker 3: I ended up making the decision with my wife. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you know, if I retire, it doesn't it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't hurt the team, you know, you know, it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: hurt them financially or anything like that. And that's the
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  Speaker 3: last thing that I wanted to do was hurt them
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  Speaker 3: because of money.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I didn't think that that was fair.
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  Speaker 3: And although Mickey didn't want me to do it, I
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  Speaker 3: still was like, look, I understand, but he also understood,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I guess why, at least to me, he
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  Speaker 3: understood why I was doing it. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: take his money, which everyone thought I was crazy, especially nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: You know, why wouldn't you just take it and sit there?
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  Speaker 3: And I just, uh, you know, just praying about it.
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  Speaker 3: I just couldn't do it. And so I end up
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  Speaker 3: retiring and uh and rehabit and honestly, if I if
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  Speaker 3: I'm completely honest, like it took a long time, John
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  Speaker 3: like like I was like I'd say, into December before
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  Speaker 3: I felt like really really good, no surgery, just re
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  Speaker 3: no surgeries. I got a shot and rehabbed it, uh,
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  Speaker 3: strengthened everything around it, did all those things. And I
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: got a few calls during the season, you know, about
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  Speaker 3: two or three teams, you know, saying hey man, we
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  Speaker 3: we would love for you to come in sign play
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  Speaker 3: with us and be with us next year.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, guys, I'm honored, but I'm just
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  Speaker 2: not ready, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And then by the time I was actually ready, it's passed,
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  Speaker 3: the deadline, all the all that kind of stuff. So
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  Speaker 3: it was it was just it was it was hard
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  Speaker 3: because I didn't I didn't want to be done mentally,
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  Speaker 3: but physically I just couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: So these stories come out out that Derek Carr could unretire.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: You'll be You're fully healthy now, like you do you
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  Speaker 1: feel one right now?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah? One?
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  Speaker 1: Yep? Does that story come from you? Does that story
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  Speaker 1: is something that you want to get back playing in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL? How did that kind of play out over
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  Speaker 1: the last what month of this story kind of growing?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's hilarious. Me and my brother were laughing
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  Speaker 3: about this. You know, we do our show, obviously, run
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  Speaker 3: our set, you know, we do our show. And like
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  Speaker 3: eight months ago we did an interview and I said
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  Speaker 3: the same thing in that interview that I said just
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  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, when I come back, I.
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  Speaker 3: Said, well, first off, I'd have to be healthy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and second all, I'd want to be on a team
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  Speaker 3: that can win, you know, like a team that can
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  Speaker 3: actually have a chance to go to the playoffs, win
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  Speaker 3: a championship, like do those things.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be a part of a rebuild
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  Speaker 3: kind of scenario. You know, I've done that before. It's hard,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and uh, just where I'm ad at don't want.
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  Speaker 1: To do it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I said that, and all of a sudden, I'm
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: sitting there on Super Bowl Sunday, and it's like Derek
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  Speaker 3: Carr might unretire. It's like, guys, And I said the
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  Speaker 3: same quote eight months ago, you know, but it did
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  Speaker 3: spark some and so I was being honest. Then I'm
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  Speaker 3: being honest now, like what I of course I would, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I definitely would.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: There's been i'd say probably three or four teams that
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: have been serious, you know, a couple others that were
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: just like feeling it out, you know, and uh and
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: and so they're kind of going through that process. My
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: agent's going through that process. I'm I'm not saying anything.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just enjoying my life. I've been training the whole
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: time physically throwing. Now I ramp that up because I
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: was like, well, if this is real, I'll ramp that up.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been feeling great doing that, and so would
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  Speaker 3: I do it? Absolutely, I would do it, But it
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  Speaker 3: would take a special scenario for for that, for that
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  Speaker 3: team and for myself, you know, uh, because I don't
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  Speaker 3: I don't hate my wife, so I don't need to
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  Speaker 3: just go play.
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  Speaker 1: So do you expect to be playing this fall?
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: My expectation right now is Seriously, it's gonna sound weird,
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  Speaker 3: is this day to day because so many things, so
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  Speaker 3: many conversations changed, you know, so many teams are they
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: just show up and hey we heard that this is
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: real now and it's like I want to take my
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: time in away all that, and so do I expect
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  Speaker 3: to That's a tough question.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can answer it, like mentally,
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  Speaker 3: if I know that for sure, I think it would
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  Speaker 3: just take the right the right wave of coach, team offense,
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  Speaker 3: you know, all that stuff for it to go the
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: way that I think that, then I would say for sure,
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  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, but right now to expect it, I
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  Speaker 3: can't say that because it would depend on the situation.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, you're kind of numb to it because you've
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: been around the NFL since what was Dave Draft in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 2: Two one doesn't do something like yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you're not driven by you know, some of these
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: guys talk about, like your kids get a little older
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: seeing you play, it's different than when they were younger,
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  Speaker 1: that that doesn't phase you at all, Like you're not
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: you don't care about that, that they've already had some
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: of it. But now that, like you said, they're wel
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: and you know, by the time the seasons are made,
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: they're thirteen and they kind of can understand it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more. When they're my age or your age,
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: they can kind of be like, God, that was really cool.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't phase you at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, that doesn't phase me. You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's something that we've actually joked about because we have
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  Speaker 3: a you know, we're expecting our fifth in April, and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like I told our fan,
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: like my kids and everybody, I was like, hey, don't
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  Speaker 3: even tell them, don't even tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, a little Dayton that I played quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to see the moment that he just
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: comes up to me, like, Dad, is that you like
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: on YouTube?
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  Speaker 2: Is that is that used to? Like?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I I have a running thing at our house, Like,
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: don't even tell him. I want him to see the
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: helmets and be like, oh, that's cool and then someday
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: it just hit him.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that for me, I don't, I don't. I
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  Speaker 3: don't need it. That's the crazy part is I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need it to fulfill me or give me
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  Speaker 3: something you know that I'm missing because you know, I
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: don't think that I am missing something, you know. But
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: the competitiveness and that kind of stuff. Obviously, if you
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: can still do it, it's such a fun game and
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: being around those teammates and trying to win, it's it's
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: a special feeling.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously you could still. I mean you're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure a chance to start here in the next
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks or as these situations play out. But
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: one thing I wrote down is, as you aged, I
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  Speaker 1: mean you could play. I mean, you see some of
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: the numbers, these backups get like as you were, thirty seven,
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: thirty eight. They're like, you could play in the NFL
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: for a long on good teams. You know, the coach
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: reads the koubiat. I mean, these these guys, the Shanahans,
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: you would you could play for a long long time.
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  Speaker 1: I know you've made a lot of money and had
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of success, But are you ever torn, like
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: kind of miss just the the action of just the practices,
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: the game plans, the juice of that week, because I
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: know how fired up you used to get when you
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: were younger, running out the tunnel, playing in the games.
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, I think it's hard because I played.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: I played the game with so much emotion, you know,
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: you know, through the highs and the lows.
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  Speaker 2: I just I just loved it. Man Grewdon would always say,
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: you love the misery. Man, you know, I don't. I
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: don't know if I love it, you know, but I
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: know handle it.
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  Speaker 1: But I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I miss the I missed the team, you know, aspect,
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: the locker room, the you know, the the excitement after
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: a win, you know, standing in there taking a hit,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: your oldlignement, picking you up, you know, like you know,
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: pat you on the head, great throw, you know that
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff you missed, that kind of stuff
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: like those are great memories. And again I don't need
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: it to fulfill me, but being human, of course you
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: miss it. Like it's once in a lifetime one of thirty.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Two you know guys.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the world that gets to do a thing
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: and if people still want you to do it, Like
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: I've been so honored by some of the calls and
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: some of the.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Texts like man, like that's that's pretty cool. I didn't
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: play last year.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: You know, it's pretty it's pretty neat, and so that
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: part of it's been awesome and and really also too,
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: you know, is is given back of the game, you know,
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: like I know, I'm at a point where you know
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: you're not you're not getting me, and you're thinking ten
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: years down the road, you know, I'm gonna be thirty,
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: I'm thirty four, gonna be thirty five.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Like there's a cool aspect.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Of that to be in a room, you know, maybe
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: with a young guy to help them under stay in
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: the game, because so many of these young guys with
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: the CBA is there's just not enough time, you know,
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: But you know it may may not want to go
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: sit in there with a coach, you know, quarterback coach
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: for eight hours, but he'll go hang out at the
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: quarterback you know, and you know, you guys can go
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: on the golf course and teach him other things. And
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: so I love just seeing the game just get better
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: and you know, you know, giving your wisdom to other guys.
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• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that Raider logo behind you, And you know Crosby's right
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: now a big point of conversation heading into free agency,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and I think he parallels you in the sense that,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you know, being really passionate and loyal to the Raiders
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: is not something that a lot of guys do. And
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: from early on and when you got drafted, you you
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: took so much pride in being a Raider. And Max
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: once he got there after you, what year did he
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: get there, like eighteen or nineteen or he immediately just
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: bought all in and still to this day he's got
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the tattoo. He loves being a Raider. And you learned.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, this league is, I mean you've known through
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: your brother is pretty cutthroat, right, But until it happens
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: to you, right, it's it's it's easy to see. It's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: like anything in life, right, you see other people go
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: through things, You're like, oh, that's got to be kind
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of tough. And then it happens a year like damn,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and like I don't know if you still communicate with Max.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: But that situation, how it's played out in the Raiders,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: do you think it's just has it ran its course?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: You know for a guy that you were kind of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: forced into it, it feels like Max is kind of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: might be forced his hand a little bit, which I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: can't really blame him.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: You know, what's the situation that the team is in.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: You know, just from a business aspect, you're thinking, Okay,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: we're gonna be young, we're gonna have a new coach.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Do we just start over, right?
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: And I always hesitant with that, you know, because if
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: you're a if you're on that team and you're a
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: veteran or you're a free agent, you know, you guys
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: are getting rid of Max, you know, like, yeah, yeah,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: we all we all want to win and everyone needs
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: a pass rusher. Everyone needs someone with that kind of motor,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: everyone needs a leader. Well guess what you got three
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: and one right there. You know, he's he's the alpha
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: in that building. You know, he's gonna run the show.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: When I when when my time there was coming to
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: an end, you know, Max came over to my house
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: and and yeah we still talk. I literally talked to
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: him on the phone two days ago, and uh, you
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: know that's my brother and I love him. But I
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: had him come over to the house. I said, look, man,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: there's gonna come in time. This is all you now, bro.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Like everything, I've had to answer the questions, I've been
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the face. I've done all these things right, and I've
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: had to do all those things. I said it's gonna
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: come in time, and it's gonna be on you. And
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I said, just make sure you're mentally prepared for the
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: ups and downs because they're gonna come. And it's crazy.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Some stuff will happen. You won't even believe it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: You know. If I wrote a book, it'd be a
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: number one seller right now.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: But that I nfilure. Yeah, I can't believe it, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: and but I never will, you know. But Max, I'm like, man,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: this is this is you now? And He's like, no, no,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I'm with you. And if there's anybody that could handle it,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: it was him. And so you know, I knew how
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: much the Raiders meant to me that we were leaving
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: them in a good place because they're in his hands now.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: If you ship him out, you just got to understand
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and that the heart and soul of your team is
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: now gone, and so you got to fill that void.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that there's just one guy you
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: go out there and fill it with, because that if
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you look around the league, not a lot of guys
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: have that energy and that passion, that that impact on
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: a whole building the way that he does, especially from
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: an important position. So I pray that they don't get
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: rid of him. I hope that, and I hate say
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: get rid of him. No one's getting rid of him,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: but you know, trade him for assets and these kind
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: of things.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And all that kind of stuff.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't happen, John, I really don't, because
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: you know, what else do you want in a defensive end.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: He plays it every snap. You know, he'll play through anything.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: He plays harder than everybody next to him. He holds
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: everyone to that standard. And so I hope that they
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: do not. But as we both know, it's a businessman,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: It's not an apples to apples comparison because you and
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Khalil were drafted together. You guys were best friends. Fernando
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and Max don't know each other. And there are going
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to be a bunch of new players, I'm sure on
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the Raiders. But when Khalil's trade, what a week before
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the start of the season, I mean, he's probably on
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the short list of best players in the league. I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: mean he's still at thirty five years old. I mean
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: he's got He's got Arnold Schwarzenegger level Pythons and he's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: had him since he was like twenty. Uh that, like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you say, removing the heart and soul from a physicality standpoint,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: which ultimately football is. Did you did that moment when
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: when you got the news? I don't know if you
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: someone forged you the tweet or you're you're in a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: team meeting. Uh, clearly had gotten weird because he was
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: holding out. I'm sure you didn't sign a contract expecting
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Khalil Mack to not be there. Gruden's new What was
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: that emotion and situation like for you personally just the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: team because clearly it was rough there for a minute.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, for sure it was rough. You know that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, before I even thought football, just like
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I was crushed because my friend was going, you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: like we're not gonna be joking around the locker room,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: you know, beton push ups doing all that kind of
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, you know, hanging out at my house
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: like we like that part like hits you first. You're like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: dang man, like that sucks, you know. And uh, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: you know him coming over to the house and teaching
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: my teaching my kids how to use their hands and pass.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: For us, you know, like like all that stuff.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I was like, man, those memories. It's okay, well that's done.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: And so you sit there and then you start thinking
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: business wise. You're like, I thought I signed a contract
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to where this could happen. You know, I was under
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: the impression that we could still have him. You know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: other teams have done it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I thought we.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Could do it, and clearly that wasn't the case. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: so I knew also we were in a unique situation
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: in Oakland, especially when we're moving to Vegas. You know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you're moving, You're you're you're relocating for a lot of reasons.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: One is probably a stadium in two is probably because financially,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: it's a great decision for the organization. And so you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: if we were in Vegas, I'm fairly confident we would
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: all still you know, we would have all still been together.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: But the situation that we were in at the time,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: it just wasn't feasible. I guess, you know, clearly it wasn't,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you know, because we traded him.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: So that one still hurts.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: That one's still hard because you know, you go from
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I go from breaking my ankle and say, okay, well
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I will bounce back, and then all of a sudden,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: but yeah, and then Khalil's gone and it's.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Like just a couple of years right there. Man, it
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: was just that that was.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Hard for me, and uh, you know that's that's the
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: sucky side of football sometimes. But you know, once you
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: get out of it, like I did, and I guess
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: in media, uh, you start seeing it from a from
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: a different perspective, and it's like, man, it's crazy how
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: fast it can turn. You know, because when you're in it,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you think you're in it forever. But it's crazy how
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: quick stuff can turn like that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: When Max traded, does grow even address the team or
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: is it just like everyone knows and just moves on.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely when it's that caliber.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: And it's not even the caliber player, it's the type
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: of person, you know, Uh, the effect they have on
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the locker room. You know, if they have they have
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of pull, you know. He heat Growdon talked
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: to me, he talked to you know, the team, He
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: talked to everybody. Gruden Grewen was the best man. He
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: was opening about everything, you know, with the team and
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: even even at the very end with his stuff, he
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: was wide open with the whole team and were like Okay, God,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Everyone's like, all right, cool, they probably find you, you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: but we'll move on and all that kind of stuff.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: We didn't know what it was gonna be, but Gruden
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: told us Aul, and so yeah, he was.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: He was super open with us.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: You know, I just I wish, you know, you go
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: back and you're like, man, is there something else I
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: could have done? Because I would have I would have
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: done anything with that contract to make sure that he
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: could have been there with me. And and honestly, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: thought that we did.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: You know, going back to the broken ankle. One, on
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a lighter note, I've always laughed that they put you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: in the front of the cart. Did you ever? I mean,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you're probably your head spinning, but they put you in
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the You sat in the front seat with a broken
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: ankle instead of the back of the cart. Has anyone
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: in your family like am I alone? When I saw
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that one? You were having like an MVP season. You
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: guys were competing to like get the one seed. Weren't
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you Khalils like Defensive Player of the Year. You were
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: kicking Indies but they had lucked at you right, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you guys were up like three touchdowns, but putting you
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: in the front of the cart. Is that is that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: something the car family discusses still this day.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: You're gonna love this because there was a reason.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: All right, So if I were to go in the
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: back of the cart, the way that they have to
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: drive out of the Oakland.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Coliseum is a very steep hill you'd fall in.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: They were scared I was gonna fall out, and that
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the cart can't make it up with the power the
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: weight being in the back. And so that's why I
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: got in the front because of the colisseum and our
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: cart didn't have enough juice and the hill was way
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: too steep.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And the best part about it is we drive out right,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: so I get hurt. Well, they're not thinking people are
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: leaving the stadium, you know, like people are all right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: we're you just it's a football thing. It's it's disheartening everyone.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So people we're drive out, we're in the parking lot.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: We're not even in the stadium anymore. We're driving through
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the black hole parking lot and people are slapping my
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: shoulder pads. Oh it's gonna be okay, You're fine. My
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: ankle's just flopping. So it was it was a complete uh.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Oakland rhitorics experience. I'll just say that, do you think.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: That card had been there since like the A's Reggie
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Jackson mid seventies, John Madden? I mean, how old was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that cart?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: That car?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, like it had no juice left and
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the they were on slicks. There was no tread on
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the tire, So yeah, that thing had been there a minute.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: That was I mean, that was a crappy football experience
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: because obviously you were playing great, the team was awesome.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I don't not to go back down a negative memory lane,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: but was that Is that your toughest on the field
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: moment of your career?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: For sure? Yeah, that's the first like real serious injury
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that I've had.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: And you know, for for the most part until my
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: last season, I've been super healthy, you know and college,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: high school everything, And so when that happened this first time,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I thought, like, you know, dang, it's all over, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: like the immediately or like my ankles and half you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: in half, And what does this even mean to you know?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: For me?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: So I'm thinking of my family and that moment I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: laying on the field, think of my teammates. I'm looking
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: up in my offensive line, I have like two offensive
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: linemans steing at me with tears rolling down their face,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: and I'm just like, dude, this must be serious, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm usually super optimistic and you know, but all
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: those things as a human you think, dang did I?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I hadn't signed a contract yet, so you know, is
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: this the end? Is this the end of me playing football?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Is what I've made, you know, gonna help take care
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: of my family? Well, I gotta do something else. Like
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: all these thoughts start going through your head until you realize, Okay,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: we're gonna be okay and earth, you know, finally stop
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: shaking right then. But yeah, man, Like, that was definitely
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the hardest on a football field moment for me because
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: you could you could feel the.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Air out the stadium as soon as it broke. It
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: was just this.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: It was just like really weird silence, and so yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: for me, that was probably not even probably that was
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: for sure the hardest moment I've ever been through on
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: a football field.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Can you explain something to me because I've never quite
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: understood this. Like when you watch Josh McDaniels as an
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator give a press conference or interact, You're like God,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: this guy is so impressive. This guy clearly, his resume
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: as a coordinator is speaks for itself. Right. Hell, he
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: gets goes to the Patriots there in the Super Bowl
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and the quarterback had a chance to win the MVP.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yet when he becomes a head coach, clearly something changes
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you he gets hired, you know, by the end of
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the season. I don't know if it's a personal conflict
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: on the field. You know it wasn't going well. What
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was your you know, I know you were excited when
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: he was hired. Who wouldn't be. But by the end,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: what happens that we don't see on the outside with
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Josh because you've been around Gruden, You've played against coach Reed,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I mean all these guys, what you see is what
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you get. Clearly with Josh, I don't know if something
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: flips when he becomes the head man.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's crazy is like, So I talked
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: to Josh when I was with the Saints. I actually
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: called him and was like, hey, man, I remember you
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: taught me this, this and this, and it's paying off.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Man, thank you. Like we had a great conversation. So
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: him and I were great, know, you know, it was at.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: The end there it was a contract thing, and I
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: whether I agree or not doesn't matter.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: It happened, you know, and so we both got to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: live with that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: But I would say when he came in offensively, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: learning that system from what we came from West Coast.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: You know, you know the ZD crosses, the this, you
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: know the ex shallow cross the you know, the hanks
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that this this world that's just timing and rhythm and
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, and formation's making sense, like this
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: was this offense is a totally different thing than I've
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: ever learned for the receivers, Like this's not really a
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: lot of rope memorization. It's just like you just got
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: to know it, you know. And it's because they grew
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: from with Brady. They had this and then they added this,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: like oh man, let'll just add this.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: We'll just so.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Then you get to the end of this thing and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: they're running this stuff that's way down the road here
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: instead of the basic stuff to start it out, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh man, it's going to take us a while.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: And I really felt John if I was like, man,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: if we had another year in that we would have shredded,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Like we would have done great because we were I
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: was starting to I was actually starting to figure out, oh, well,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: this is what he wants. Oh, this is what he expects.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: So oh when it's this, I know he said, but
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: he's he wants it here. And we were starting to
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: all feel that way if I'm honest, and we're like, man,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: this could be something special. But the hard part about
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: that season was, you know, you get in that head
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: coach seat and he's a brilliant play caller and one
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: on one he's freaking awesome.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Like you sit there having a conversation. But I love him,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you know. I had a great time with him. Yeah,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: But then you go in there and the culture that
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: we had built and what was hard for me, the
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: culture that I had worked so hard to build over
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the years, through all the changes and to hold it
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: together and do all those things. It comes in and
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: immediately it's completely different culture and we're like, we don't
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: do that way anymore, and it's like this is the way.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: This is it, and I get it. And I was
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: like I would joke all the time.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm all in on the Patriot Way, guys,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I'm all in, you know, trying to be the soldier
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: out in the front and ended up getting me.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: You know, stad right in the chest.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: You know, you know, I'm like, guys, I got you,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: you know, even though I disagreed with something or this,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: so that didn't matter. But it was such a culture
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: shift that it affected the whole team, and obviously you
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: saw it the next year it got tough, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: forum and uh and and for the players and things
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: like that. So I think for us, for that group,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you know, it was just such a culture shock and
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: such a culture different that it affected a lot of
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: us as players.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: There's there's definitely no deny.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Now can you force a culture on a locker room
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: or do you kind of have to let the players
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: organically create it?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: You know, now that I've been through it, I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: that you one, you just kind of be yourself as
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: a head coach, uh, lead them in. But what I've learned,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: especially as the generations keep going year after year, is
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you you gotta be able to go to John Middlecoff
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and make him play at his best a different different
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: way than you got to get Derek Carter do it
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: different way than you gotta get Max Crosby to do it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Now the overall theme and the message this is us,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: this is what we do, and this is the standard.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: And if you don't do it, but.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: There's a relational part of it that you got to
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: have that relational piece because if we don't have the
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: relational piece, I'm just gonna be offended.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: You know when I think it's when I think it's
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: one way in a meeting and we get in a
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: different meeting and you're acting a different way towards me.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Now we got like, hold on, now we have a problem,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: you know, so I think And that's throughout all my
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: years that I've learned, the more that you can just
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: be yourself and then relationally have people understand that this
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: is the expectation, that this is how I'm gonna coach
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: you that once you do that, no one coached me
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: harder than John Gruden. But he also he let me know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna hold your standard. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: it's because I love you, you know, I love you more
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: than than life itself. And he would tell me that
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: and he would call me at night and be like, dude,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: great job on the slant man, great throw, great time,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: great check man.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Oh you saw it. Wait wait, good protection check man.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: But you got to be quicker, you know. And so
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, man, of course I'll run through a wall
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: for you, you know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: And so I think the relational part of it is
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: the biggest piece when building a culture. So you've got
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: to understand the people that are in the room.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You think the gruden you got because there's some stories
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you know, way back in the day, you know, young
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: hungry Edgy was a little more better with the relationships
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: with the players once he got in there as an
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: older guy.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I absolutely because we would have some of his old
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: quarterback to come in like this guy's an a hole.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sitting here, like I love this guy,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: So I'm pretty sure it's like any older kid. It's
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: like when the oldest kid in the family is like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you know, getting spanked, and then the young kid doesn't
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: ever get spanked, you know, getting in trouble.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, how come this kid's not getting in trouble?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: It's a little different now we're figuring things out, but
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I think for me, you know, I definitely got I
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: got the best version. Man, He's he's a lifelong friend
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: of his family to me. We talk almost every week
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: that you know, still to this day.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You see the clip of him and rich on the
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: streets of San Francis and the Vinny Testaverdy snapcout one's
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: pretty good too. He's really good.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I love what he's doing. You know, he wants to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: get back in coaching. It seems like all that I
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: was like, man, I kind of just selfishly want you
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: to keep making the videos.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I told I think he is. And this is
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: why everyone's like the next Gruden or Madden like that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: There are some rare personalities that are just that there
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: is no matching with John Gruden brings the table, right,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: It's not even close. I'll tell you right now.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: You could go through every install meeting with any offense
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: corninator in the league right now, and you'd sit there
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: and you'd learn something and be like you go in
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: there with John Gruden, you think you just got done
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: through a Disney ESPN production.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: You know, like you're like, dud, do I have to
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: pay pay for this? Like this was awesome? And so the.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Way that he can engage everyone in the room, I've
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: never seen it before.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll get you out of here on this Kubiak
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: who you played, I mean the first two games of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: your Saints season with him. I mean, you guys look
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: like the best team in the history of the league.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: You know, so you I know you have a strong
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: relationship with him. Uh, just your thoughts on him as
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a as a person, as a coach, and and then
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the offense in which the Shanahan Koubi X which I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: basically call cousins, they're in the same family tree, like literally,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: like they're uh on that situation in him as a coach.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know the thing about him, You know Janoko,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Rick Dennison, you know Nick Colts is there. But they're
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: all number one, some of the best people I've ever
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: met in football. Like they genuinely they have that relational factor.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: They care about you as a husband, They care about
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: you as a father, They care about you as a
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: football player because that's how we all get paid, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: you know our jobs are on the line, so obviously
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: care about and they hold you to a standard. He
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: tells you every day, like, guys, this is a standard.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna coach Derek the same way I coach the
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: practice squad. Guy, I'm gonna coach, you know, Chris Olave
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the same way I coach the seventh receiver.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Like the standard isn't changing. You know. If if you
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: can get.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: In there with the ones and Derek checks it, something
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: did something, you better know it, you know, and like
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: that's that's how we do it. And what's really cool
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: about them is they have a scheme that they believe
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: in and they draft for. And my one fear with
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the Raiders is if they don't give them enough time.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: You and I can think about this. You're a scouting mind,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: so this will make sense to you. You fill a
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: team full of you know, one thing because that's the
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: head coach's philosophy.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Well then he's fired.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Well you got a new head coach, and it's a
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: new scheme. It's a new little line coach. It's a
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: new they want new corners. Well now you got six
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: three corners, all right, Well that's gone. We're gonna fire him.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: So now we got we want smaller corners. We want
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to play man, we want to be sticky in coverage.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: We want you got a team full of guys that
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I look at them over the years and it's a
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: lot of different schemes, you know, it's if they just
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: let them grow this scheme because it works.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: We see it year in, year out. It works, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: that's why he got the job. But if you let
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: them grow it, and you let them have their guys,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: and you let them fine tooth coment, they're gonna. I
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: really think that they could all be there twenty you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: twenty years. Yeah, you know that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I really believe that because they're they're that type of people,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: and they're that hard at workers.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: They're just like growing. They're up at four and they're crazy.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I talked to one of our mutual buddies at the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: combine who was there with you and worked for Kubiak
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and their boys, and I asked him, like, was it hard?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: He's been in a million schemes too, was it like
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: learn the offense and the intricacies of it. He's like, no,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: it's the easiest offense of it because the play calls
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to play call, you know, the timing is the timing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: There's not you know, Josh's offense complete opposite, right, There's
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: seventy million things going on. This is the play calls,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the play call were running it, and these are a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: couple options and that's it. It's it's it's probably the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: most effective simple thing, like the history of American business.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I said this, I was like
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza, We're all assuming.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: He's going number one. He's going one, exactly. He doesn't know.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: He's a good kid. He does.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: He still doesn't even know how good he has it,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: you know he does. You don't even understand with that
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: scheme and those coaches and some of those players that
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I know, like, you really don't understand how good you
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: have it. Like he's going to go in there and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: just be able to play free and play fast quicker.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I see young guys in this system be able.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: To play at the NFL level a little faster, like
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I look at Spencer Rattler. You know he didn't win
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: his first ten games, Well neither did I. Who cares,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: you know, it's part of the NFL. It sucks, you know,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: but when you watched him play from a knowledge standpoint,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: from getting the ball out, from seeing it, from going
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: to one to two to three. They coach it so
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: well and so detailed that if a young guy can
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: come in a fourth fifth round pick like he was
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: and just pick it up Fernando Man like as hard
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: a worker he is, he should excel man. It should
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: be awesome and fun to watch.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I followed your scores of Tahoe the last couple
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of years in the golf tournament you were actually I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: think you shoot seventy five or seventy six, like you
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: had a really low round. So a couple of rounds
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: in the seventies last year.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Last year was good.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: The year before I shot a seventy, which is my
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: career best ever.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I've never shot under park except in that tournament.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Now I'm playing that. You guys technically aren't playing the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: tips tips right more?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's played short.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: What's it going to take? You know, you got the Molders,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the Marty Fishes, there's some really really good place they have.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: If you stay retired, you're gonna have time on your
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: hands too. But what's it take to win that tournament?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Is that a goal of years once in your life
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to win the top Curry's won it. It feels like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: he plays less golf.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: He's got a big family as well, but he's a stick.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent as a goal, one thousand percent.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: It's a goal for me like I am. So I
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: saw the trophy one time. That's all it took. I
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: was like, we got a trophy for this. So I
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, I gotta win this trophy. And
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: so I've been working hard and I've been climbing every year.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, forty a thirtieth, I got up close
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: to the top ten.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: You know that one year.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: What do you have to shoot to win it?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I think you got to. I think if you shoot
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: at par you have a chance.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: If you shoot at par all three days, you got
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: a chance because you know, sometimes Marty will go in
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: there and drop a sixty eight, but he'll Daniel shoot
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: seventy three. And so if you're right around par and
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: you give yourself a chance, you'll have a chance on
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the last day. So you know, for me, any and
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I've seen guys shoot seventy five and be up there
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: in the top three.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Because if you make birdies, you get points, right, it's
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: three points.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: You know, Bertie's and Bogie's are nothing, you know, it
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't even count for anything. So that's that's the main part,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: is getting Bertie's and and keeping the ball away from the.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Bears, because there's bears out there middle cough.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I was walking down the fairway and I'm like, that
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: is a bear, you know, is anyone? And before I
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: can even say anything, three cop cars pull up on motorcycles.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: All right, we're good.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: So how awesome is that event? I mean, that thing
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: is really blown up to I mean the vibes on
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Saturday on that was it, whole seventeen. The water, it's that.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: That's now the football community is really embraced. I mean,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks and players. Kelsey's out there, both of them.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: They need it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Travis a bad Jason needs a little work, low work.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: It needs a little work. There's a couple of rough
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: ones out there. But no, yeah, it's that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Like you said that, that whole seventeen at the American
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Century Championship is probably one of the coolest sports things
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I get to do in my life, you know, and
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I get to do it every year.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Thankfully.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: The people over there have been awesome to me that
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I can keep went out there. But that, like you've said,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: that hole right there and then the finishing hole eighteen
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: is just beautiful with the lake in the background.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: So it's it's a great time.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Derek, congrats on potentially unretiring, and if you don't,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: congrats on hanging with the fam and just keep rocking
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and rolling. Man, good to see you, and I'm glad
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: we uh we crossed pass once upon a time. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed following your career and you've really turned
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: into I mean, you were always a mature guy, but
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it's it's been really cool.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Man. No, I really appreciate that. Thank you. We gotta
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: get you. We gonna get a bulldog behind you. Yeah,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: bulldog next time.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know I went the last time,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: or I went a couple weeks ago, but I was
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: on Colin when I did that of six months ago.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I got two techts immediately. One was Derek Carr and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: one was Pat Hill. Two guys, both of them in
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the gym watching Colin and uh, within like honestly five
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: minutes of each other. Derek, Pat Hill, don't come, I
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: see taking screenshots. That was cool. So go dog, You're right,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I need to I need to get a bulldog.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: This one little bulldog up in the corner.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: That's all I asked, Man, go dog, see you, buddy, yep,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: see you. Okay, let's dive in. I actually think this
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: is the biggest story of the day is I saw
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: in Pro Football Talk before I talked to Derek at
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: like seven thirty in the morning that the Bears had
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: become the betting favorite to land Max Crosby. It's obviously
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a huge discussion in Bear Land. I think it's a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: realistic play for them. What one thing they have in
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: their back pocket is like they could package maybe less
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: draft capital and throw in DJ Moore. So it's like, hey,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: would you take a one to three and Dj more
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: instead of given you two ones with the young quarterback.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: You know, Kubiak likes physical wide receivers. I think there
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: was some symmetry between those two organizations. Drew Dolman, who
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: is a Pro Bowl center who that the Bears just
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: signed last year to a three year, forty two million
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: dollar deal, I think it's fair to say abruptly retired
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: today that you know you're in your mid to late
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: twenty I think it's twenty seven years old. Not only
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: did no one expect Dolman to retire, he was leading
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I think what widely considered one of the best interior
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: offensive lines in the entire league and was going to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: become kind of the battery mate with this ascending young
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: player in Caleb. So when this news came out, I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: sure the Bears brass polls Ben already knew. But to me,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: this has major, major butterfly effects on Max Crosby because
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I think you have to think twice. I mean, this
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: is not just some random guard. I don't think it
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: would have impacted Crosby if this had been Joe Toney.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And listen, Joe Toney is a really good player. But
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: it's like out, we'll figure it out a guard. I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: think you're center. This is a big blow. This is
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a really big blow. And I do wonder now if
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Max ultimately gets dealt, if this makes the Bears think
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: twice before taking a huge swing and giving up a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: bunch of their draft capital because of this center. You know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: are they going to pay? I know they have some
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: cap situation that, like a lot of teams are trying
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: to figure out. By all accounts, is Tyler Linnenbaum's gonna
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: get twenty plus million dollars a year at center. I mean,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: there's never been a better time to be a pro
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: sport athlete. I mean, you got like average players and
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you know, ky look at the the Dodgers signed that
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: dude from the Cubs. We'll get his numbers from last year.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: He's making sixty million dollars a year. It's like design
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: even playing games, he makes like fifty. I mean, it's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a great time, you know in football, like you gotta
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: be kind of good to earn your money. But linden
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Baum's gonna get twenty million. It'll probably get like four
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: years ninety million, do I mean, he's gonna get an
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: astronomical amount of money for a center. They're important, They're
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: really important. And this had to whenever they found out,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: whether it was yesterday, whether it was this morning, before
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the news broke. I would be stunned if
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the Stanford guy who'd signed this contract didn't reach out
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: to the team. Ben and Poles first got to be
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: rattled by this. How would you not be? And I
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: just think this has implications on their Crosby pursuit, which
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you if you're a Bears fan, you're like, everything is
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: going so well. Middle Koff met Ben Johnson, their buddies.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: We made the second round of the playoffs. We beat
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the Packers twice, once in a playoff game at Soldier Field.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: We have this team coming back that we just need
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to figure out our left tackle situation because our left
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: tackle tours I think was a patella or achilles. Might
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: have been achilles. But like, we have a foundation up front.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: We got really good skill guys. We've got a couple
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of young rookies in Loveland and Burton. Our guy can
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: find running backs. We got we could trade Dj Moore
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to help us get some defensive help. We could use
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: our we could go get Crosby. And now you're like,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: what the fuck? And that's that's the craziest part about
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the NFL is a position of strength can go from
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: a position of weakness immediately, because there's no debating just
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: if three of your five guys are like Pro Bowl level,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you have a good offensive line, you just have a
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: good offensive line, and then you factor in Kleb's movement abilities,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: well now it's like our offensive line is kind of
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in flux. So and this is no one's fault. Like
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: you random retirement, I don't know enough. I don't have
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: any information more than I've seen them the internet in
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: terms of guy retired, Like I don't know, concussions, I
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: want to do something else with his life. I don't know,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: but making a lot of coin. He gave up a
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: lot of money. I mean he's in year one of
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: forty two million dollars. That's not what you expected. The
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: other big news today is are these franchise tags? And
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I think Florio Roads like the least amount of franchise tags. Instance,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: like the origination of the U of the mechanism, right,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I mean typically I remember being in the NFL, it
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: felt like ten guys would get franchised. Now part of it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: It was more complicated than cap space. The league was
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: a lot different fifteen ten years ago. Now the money
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: is so huge, teams can franchise tag people with relative ease.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: But I don't think good teams want to franchise tag people.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And Breese Hall got franchise taged, George Pickens got franchise tagged,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts got franchise taged. My personal opinion, if
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you have to franchise tag someone, it's not an ideal situation.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And I think somewhere somehow your organization regrets were made
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a mistake. When I say regrets like not figuring out
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: this out early, not being more proact. If good organizations
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: typically there are extenuated circumstances avoid franchise tags, especially in
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: this modern day with the entire number hitting your cap,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: you want to avoid a franchise tag if at all possible.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give the Falcons a little bit of
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a pass because would you extend Kyle Pitts right now?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: They got a new coaching staff, they got a new
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: GM who knows you know, Kyle Pitts is kind of
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a unique player. Is it gonna fit? You don't want
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to lose them, like you want to keep them, but
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that it's gonna work. So I kind
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: of get it, Like, I don't hold that against him.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: You franchise tag Briese Hall, Like, I just I can't
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: take you that seriously. I mean, I really can't look
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: at everyone's like they're gonna franchise tag Kenneth Walker. Do
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you follow John Schneider's career? No chance. Now, Breeshall is
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: a better player, But the type of guy that gets
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: franchise tagged is like a Bijon Robinson, a Saquon Bart Breesehall.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I do not get it. And Jerry, to me, this
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: is so avoidable. You could have been aggressive during the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: season and given this guy contract extension, and now you're
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: in a position where you're paying him a lump sum
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: amount of money. He's still there's a lot of money,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: but you're still trying to get a long term contract,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and maybe it gets done by the time training camp
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: gets here. But I just feel like this situation is avoidable.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And the thing that is not avoidable transitioning Daniel Jones.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: They transition tag, meaning other teams can sign them at
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: thirty seven million dollars, is just I'm not even blaming
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the Colts. They don't have a choice that there is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: no team. That is just more like, yeah, we're kind
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of screwed. We got no first round picks. We got
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: this quarterback who was good for us in the first whatever,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: they were eight and two. He's got a torn achilles.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing. It's like Daniel Jones has ah,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: he broke his leg. I mean that'll be healed by
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: this might be healed now, but the achilles is definitely not.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: So you have to train, transition tack a guy that
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: played almost half a season for you, who had never
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: been that good before you. You have to pay him
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: thirty seven and a half a million dollars. I see
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: some of these people. What if another team, No one's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: going after Daniel Jones on a torn fucking Achilles. And
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: this is the situation they put themselves in when they
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: made the Sauce Gardner situation. Then the Daniel Jones thing imploded.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I They're just screwed. They probably tried to take a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: little bit of it. There's no point in franchise stat
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: You're gonna just transition to them. Who are you gonna
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: be bidding against? So the Minnesota Vikings like it. The
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings are not paying Daniel Jones thirty seven and
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a half a million dollars, we're paying him more money
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: than that. That's just not happening. So I just think
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the Colts are just found themselves in a major, major
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: predicament and they just didn't have a choice. But it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: just it's a disaster. And sometimes you put all your
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: chips in the middle of the table. I'm not a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: big poker guy, but I'm a blackjack guy, and you
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: feel really cocky, and then all of a sudden you
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: look and she's flipping cards and maybe you're you've had
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: a couple of drinks and you're like your math and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: your head's not going. You're like, that's not good. There's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of low single digits, and all of a sudden,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you have a twenty and you got one thousand dollars
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: on the board, and she flips over eight cards to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: get twenty one, and she's like, oh, maybe next time
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: she takes all your money. And you look, there's no
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: clock in the casino. It's three in the morning. You're like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: what just happened to me? And that's what I kind
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: of feel like with Chris Ballard, he was like, God,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: this is too good to anyone ever sit down on
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: a blackjack table, bring a couple hundred bucks. All of
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you look, You're like, god, got like twenty
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. Especially, you know, when you're young, you
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: maybe show up with like now you can't find a
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: table for like under twenty five a hand. But back
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: in the day you could play like five dollars hands
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: in the indie casino. Hell in Vegas you had fight
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: dollar hands. Now you go to Vegas sometimes it's like
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: fifty dollars tables. But you know, if you just show
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: up with a couple hundred bucks and all of a sudden,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: you're in the four figures. You're like, I am right,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: That's what it kind of felt like with the Colts,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry that they never envisioned when they gave
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones fourteen million dollars that looked like, at one
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: point time they were gonna be the best offense ever
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: in the number one seed, and then all of a sudden,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: they go do something that they never do to a
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner like trade, which I thought at the time
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: was crazy. And that was before I knew Daniel Jones
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: had a broken leg and he was gonna have a
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: torn achilles, Like it was a pretty bold move. They
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: weren't trading for revs in this prime, like sa Us
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is kind of a unique player, and then obviously he
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: gets injured. It's just it's a nightmare. And it's like
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: they I don't even blame them for doing this transition tag.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: They really have no other options. They really don't. And
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: you know, what's his name wants to trade. It's like, yeah, fuck,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: who's trading for you? Just just a nightmare scenario for
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Chris Ballard. It's why, you know, forever he pushed back
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: against drafting quarterbacks or sign it. You know, just sign
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: these you know, plug and play guys. Finally drafts a
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: guy who's terrible, who's just not any good, tapped out
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the game. I mean, couldn't have
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: gone worse. It couldn't have gone worse because even though
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance was not a good player, tried hard all
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the off the field stuff, check checked the boxes. Andy
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Richinson's like, does the team kind of hate this guy,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: like not like because he can't play, because they think
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: he doesn't get it? And to me, Chris Ballard has
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: always kind of been you know, he's not ead. I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: wouldn't call him Al Davis, you know, I wouldn't call
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: him Andy Reid, who was like, yeah, I'll probably coach anybody.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Can you play? Been in jail a couple times, No
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: big deal. I've always thought kind of Chris was kind
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: of a tight ass that way, and not that Athony
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Richison was a bad guy. But it was a pretty
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: big swing. It felt much more like something you know,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Al Davis in his prime would do. You know, Andy
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Reid twenty years ago might have taken a swing. Chris
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Ballard did not feel like that that he did it,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: and several years later he's got himself in a position
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: where he's paying Daniel Jones thirty seven and a half
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: million dollars and he has one foot that works. Kyler
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: was cut. I mean, is that is that even a story?
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kyler is gonna play somewhere for the veteran minimum.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals are gonna pay him thirty six million dollars.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I do not think he's gonna have a very good
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: market I really do not. Trey Hendrickson. I mean, think
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: about the saga we went through last year for him
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: to have the year he got injured. Now the Bengals
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: just letting him walk. That's his classic NFL. It's like
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: this guy wanted a bunch of money. All his players like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: pay the guy a bunch of money, and then they franchise,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: tag him or whatever. Maybe they gave him a raise.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember. And now a year later, it's
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like the market value on him does not feel the
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: same his arrow felt like now it's pointing down. It's
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: much more like early in his career, which fair or not.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, someone could sign him for a one year
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: contract and get a great player, But it's like things
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: no sport changes faster in guys like the prime of
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: their career than the NFL. I mean a couple of
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: years ago, Trey Hendrickson, did he have like seventeen sacks?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: How old is again? I'm looking it up right now.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: He is drafted in seventeen, so he's a little older.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: He's thirty one. I mean in basketball or baseball, at
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: thirty one, you're like in the prime of your career.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: If you tell me Trey's never quite the same, I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: believe you. He's just like a solid player for a
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: couple more years than his career is over. Like that's
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: where I'd be nervous about. You know, his career is
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a late bloomer, and there's nothing wrong with being a
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: late bloomer. Jason Kelsey was a late bloomer. But you
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: have a weird season, people just start to you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he'd been pretty durable. He went back to back year
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: seventeen and a half sacks Cincinnati, and then last year
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: missed a bunch of games. So to me, he's gonna
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: be a pretty fascinating player. Other than that, I think
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that'll do it. So any story's break over the next
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: couple of days. There's a chance I'm just not feeling great.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I don't do a podcast tomorrow. But you know, if
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: an AJ Brown, if a Max Crosby, if something like
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that breaks, will be all over it. Even though I
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that's gonna be the case. I don't
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: remember two high profile players like AJ Brown and Max
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Crosby where there just hasn't been like a legit tweet
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: from like rap sheet or shafter of like the Raiders
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: have three offers on the table from so and so,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: so and so and so and so the best offer
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: right now is a one in two twos, or like
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: how he is deciding between two teams, basically the bat
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: signal to be like, hey, this deal is about to
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: go down. Anyone else want a seat at the table.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: That's where it feels like, at least sitting here it
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: was crazy. You have a child, you know, off season
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you start doing I'm podcasting at six o'clock at night.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Is you just don't know, right? You just it does
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: not feel like these guys are in a rush to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: trade them some years, you know, like this guy's gonna
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: get traded, right, Even DJ Morris like I think the
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: guys can get traded. I read an article today on
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: the Athletic so Yeah, they kind of go back and
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: forth because you know what, it's hard to get good players.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: You watch the draft, you know, I mean greyco Sell
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: thinks Makayle Lemmon's the most overrated player he's ever seen.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: So I mean some of the in fairness, like some
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: of these draft guys, all they get a bunch of
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: hype and they get to the NFL, they're not that good.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: It's like everyone thinks, on this guy's the next Mike Evans,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: this guy's the next you know, Drew Dolman, and then
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the guy gets cut in three years. You know, that's
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the draft. You think you're getting something in the draft.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: You never know. But if you get if you can
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: get Max Crosby or a J. Brown, Like how many
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Max Crosby's think are gonna be in this draft? Like
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: is there a guy in this draft that is ever
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: as good as Max Crosby? History would say, like multiple
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: time all pro slim to Night and maybe that's maybe
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: that's a false Maybe you know Ohio State guys. One
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: of those guys Bailey at Texas Tech, formerly a Stanford
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: who I think is pretty fascinating. I talked to a
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: buddy that was with him at Stanford, did I you know,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people are shouting from the rooftops,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: this guy's the greatest thing since slice bread. Polarizing player,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: let me say that. It's like I think Jeremiah Love
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: is the next Christian McCaffrey or Bijon or Saquon. But
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: we've said that about a lot of players. Then all
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're just people like Kyle Pitt's gonna
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. Kyle Pitt's gonna be
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Up until this season, people like,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: is this guy even good? That's the thing with the draft, man,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you got I love it, you love it, we all
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: love it. But it is unknown. It is the unknown
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: world of I hope this guy turns out to be good,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: and you just never know, And all of a sudden,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you look back three years later, you're like, the best
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: player in our draft was a fourth rounder. All of
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, God, who would have thought that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Jason Kelcey or Richard Sherman or George Kittle. It's like,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: no one knew that. And we look back five years
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: later and go, God, that guy wouldn't make it out
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: of the top ten. That's the crazy part about drafts.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: You're dealing with human beings. And if AJ Brown was
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: in this draft at twenty eight years old, where would
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: a J.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Brown go?
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Ironically, probably go like the Titans at four. But that's
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: my point. If Max Crosby was in this draft at
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, where would he go? He'd probably
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  Speaker 1: go two?
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this is where I think teams they
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  Speaker 1: get hesitant because they don't it's gonna cost a lot
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  Speaker 1: to acquire these players. Like that's the thing. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are having long discussions
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  Speaker 1: this week from the combine of like are we willing
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  Speaker 1: to do this because it's a lot. And look, I
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  Speaker 1: don't blame GMS. You're you're afraid of giving up draft
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  Speaker 1: capital because if you do hit on first and second
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  Speaker 1: round picks, they become bargains on your team. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: look at the Ravens. How have they been good for
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  Speaker 1: so long? Because they're always good and they always nail
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  Speaker 1: picks and you know, in the first round, and that
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  Speaker 1: guy's cheap for like three or four years. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to pay that much money. It's not like they're
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  Speaker 1: drafting fourth they're typically drafted in the twenties and if
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  Speaker 1: you hit you know, Wiggins or the safety from Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: it's like that guy makes like two million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, all of a sudden, we got back
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  Speaker 1: to back good players in our secondary that are cheap.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, you have these long conversations
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  Speaker 1: and uh OnEnd on that.
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  Speaker 2: The volume m