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Browns name Deshaun Watson STARTER over Shedeur Sanders, 49ers Owner Jed York ARRESTED, NFL Training Camp Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on my people? How are
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Speaker 1: we doing? John Middlecock Three and Out Podcast. Hopefully everyone
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Speaker 1: lead the show with today. What a story out of Ohio?
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Speaker 1: Speaking of Ohio, the Browns named a starter, a couple
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Speaker 1: other things in the NFL. We'll do Dad Diaries, We'll
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Speaker 1: Last couple weeks before NFL football starts. I think we
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Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff up there as well. But
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Speaker 1: we got to start with Jed York and one of
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Speaker 1: the most embarrassing moments I ever remember in the history
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Speaker 1: of the NFL. There's really no way around it. Jed
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Speaker 1: York was just involved in one of the most embarrassing
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Speaker 1: moments of my lifetime when it comes to the National
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Speaker 1: Football League. And I woke up this morning, I actually
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Speaker 1: woke up way later than usual. We had to say.
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Speaker 1: We had a rough night on Sunday with the little
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Speaker 1: seven month old. Would be the understatement of the year.
1:43
Speaker 1: It was a disaster. So there wasn't much sleep going on.
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Speaker 1: I was up really, really late. She kind of took
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Speaker 1: over in the middle of the night, and I kind
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Speaker 1: of came to at like seven forty five in the morning,
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Speaker 1: which is the latest I've slept in in what feels
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Speaker 1: like forever. I mean, I can't even remember the last
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Speaker 1: time my eye saw seven. And I wasn't wide awake
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Speaker 1: all over the house whatever. And my phone was inundated,
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Speaker 1: I mean just flowing with text messages, screenshots, pictures, and
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Speaker 1: the first thing I see is Jed York in a jumpsuit,
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Speaker 1: so obviously it's mugshot. He's been arrested, and the headline
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Speaker 1: is arrested in East Palestine. I thought, you're telling me
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Speaker 1: this half Jewish guy went to Gaza. That was honestly
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Speaker 1: the first thing I thought about was like, this guy
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Speaker 1: got an arrested internaction, what is going on? What's he doing?
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Speaker 1: What's going whisey what? I was in disbelief. It was like,
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Speaker 1: I need to get a little coffee. And then over
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Speaker 1: the next hour you start learning all the details come
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Speaker 1: out that there's just no way around it. And this
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Speaker 1: gets back to the embarrassment to have a guy that
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Speaker 1: runs one of the most prominent franchises in American sports
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Speaker 1: get arrested in a sting in a mobile trailer park,
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Speaker 1: in a trailer park soliciting a hooker, which hot take
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Speaker 1: probably lucky that this was is crazy to say a
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Speaker 1: police sting because Jenny Ork's not exactly built like Dan Campbell.
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Speaker 1: You roll into one of these trailer parks in the
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Speaker 1: middle of fucking bfe Ohio in a range Rover or
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Speaker 1: a Benz or whatever. This could have gone really, really bad.
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Speaker 1: My wife wants a lot of these crazy documentaries, and
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Speaker 1: this had the feelc in some of these pictures where
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Speaker 1: it could have gone wrong, which clearly it was all fake.
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Speaker 1: Finds the prostitute online and from what it seems like
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Speaker 1: the information I have, I don't know. The cops are
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Speaker 1: waiting for him, set up someone fake busted them and
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Speaker 1: spent the night in prison. As I'm or jail as
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Speaker 1: I'm recording this, he has to serve two days. He
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Speaker 1: gets credit for Sunday. Maybe he's still in there serving
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Speaker 1: that second day. And I think for the forty nine
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Speaker 1: ers to put out a statement that read as, this
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Speaker 1: is a legal matter which has been resolved, we will
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Speaker 1: not be providing any more information at this time. To me,
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Speaker 1: a legal matter that has been resolved is like, you know,
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Speaker 1: a dispute with a landlord and a tenant, a dispute
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Speaker 1: with the bank, something in civil court over money. You know,
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Speaker 1: if you ran a business like the forty nine ers,
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Speaker 1: maybe getting sued by employees. When you get arrested for
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Speaker 1: soliciting a hooker in a trailer park, that's a little
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Speaker 1: bit more than Yeah, it's a legal matter that's been resolved.
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Speaker 1: And he was going to the hooker was going to
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Speaker 1: cost one hundred and forty dollars. He had one hundred
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Speaker 1: sixty dollars on him, which means he had planned to
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Speaker 1: tip under fifteen percent, which I listen, not a hooker guy,
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Speaker 1: don't know the going rate on how a tip works
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Speaker 1: for performance is rendered, but there's no way around it.
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Speaker 1: I mean there is no I don't even think there's
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Speaker 1: a debate. The league is going to suspend him. We
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Speaker 1: see players constantly getting suspended for worse. This to me,
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Speaker 1: and I've seen a lot of comparisons to this, to
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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft, an eighty year old man in Palm Beach
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Speaker 1: getting a little you know what from a massage therapist,
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Speaker 1: which I'm sorry, I don't even think they're comparable. Then
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Speaker 1: a guy in his forties who got divorced or filed
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Speaker 1: for divorced a couple months ago, looking on the internet
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Speaker 1: for a hooker and going And the reason he's in
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Speaker 1: Ohio is his family's from Ohio. That was the home
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Speaker 1: base of the de Bartolo family, going back to Eddie's dad,
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Speaker 1: his parents live there, So it's not like he's just
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Speaker 1: he flew to Ohio to go to a trailer park
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Speaker 1: to get who knows what. But like I understand why
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Speaker 1: he was there, I cannot fathom. I don't care how lonely,
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Speaker 1: how big of a disaster his divorce is, how bad
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Speaker 1: of a mental state he is in, under no circumstances.
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Speaker 1: If you are him, can you drive into a trailer
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Speaker 1: park looking for a hooker? And that goes back to
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Speaker 1: the league of like, I'm sorry, and I'm not one
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Speaker 1: to like you got to suspend him for this many
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Speaker 1: games because I don't even know what that means for
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Speaker 1: an owner, But he is gonna get in trouble and
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Speaker 1: the some of these laws in Australia. I was talking
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Speaker 1: to someone last week. We mentioned this on the show
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Speaker 1: about marijuana it being very it taken very seriously over there,
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Speaker 1: which again seems like counterintuitive. If I would have thought Australians,
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Speaker 1: I'd have been like, ah, super liberal, just drugs, you know,
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Speaker 1: just hanging out. I guess that is not the case. No,
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Speaker 1: we So that's gonna be a conversation with the players
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Speaker 1: of I don't know if you can sneak in some gummies,
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Speaker 1: but they take it very seriously. And if you have
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Speaker 1: some of these things on your record, like it was
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Speaker 1: not gonna be easy to get there. I don't see
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Speaker 1: how Jed York suspension or not would even be allowed
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Speaker 1: into Australia given what just happened. So my guess is
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent he is not going to Australia, which
7:23
Speaker 1: again he's no different than just a fan in the stands.
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Speaker 1: But now that the legal matter had been resolved, because
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Speaker 1: what does the league usually say, Well, we let the
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Speaker 1: process play out, and let's be real, I mean, this
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Speaker 1: is rich guy taking advantage. How fast it happens. I
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Speaker 1: watch Matt Mayoko, who covers the forty nine ers, had
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Speaker 1: on a legal expert lawyer, so it's just pretty unheard
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Speaker 1: of to have something like this get turned over this quick.
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Speaker 1: Clearly the Yorks, the the U, the law team behind
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Speaker 1: him work very very quickly to make some things happen.
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Speaker 1: Enters a plea agreement, Boom serves two days, pays a fine,
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Speaker 1: kind of little fugazi on the wording of like criminal
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Speaker 1: tools instead of soliciting prostitution, disorderly conduct or whatever. It's like,
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Speaker 1: That's what was so confusing when the story broke. I've
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Speaker 1: never especially covering talking about sports when people get in
8:31
Speaker 1: trouble seeing criminal tools, criminal tools, like what is what
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Speaker 1: are we talking about? But to have an owner get
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Speaker 1: arrested in this fashion, and given where he was arrested,
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, and you know me,
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Speaker 1: I'm no moral police, Like, I mean to pretend that
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Speaker 1: other people in the NFL, powerful people aren't involved with
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Speaker 1: hookers or paying for sex, Like, you'd have to be really,
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Speaker 1: really naive, you really would. So Like, I don't care
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Speaker 1: what you do behind closed doors, but I just know
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Speaker 1: that you cannot have Jed York rolling into a mobile
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Speaker 1: trailer park with one hundred and sixty dollars in cash
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Speaker 1: trying to get laid and having the cops they are
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Speaker 1: ready to pop them based on an Internet ad. Like. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: the crazy part about this for a guy that has
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Speaker 1: been based and lived in Silicon Valley for decades so
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Speaker 1: has a pretty good understanding of the Internet, of all
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Speaker 1: the ways to attempt to get laid with some hired help,
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Speaker 1: just finding an ad on the Internet and then going
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Speaker 1: once you plug it into your phone and seeing where
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Speaker 1: you're going to then attempt to to do that. I
10:02
Speaker 1: almost can't. I can't believe you're sober. I can't believe
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Speaker 1: a sober human being would attempt that. The problem with
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Speaker 1: that argument is it was nine thirty five in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Nine thirty five in the morning, now listen, not the
10:20
Speaker 1: biggest drinker. Honestly, it's kind of say I have more
10:23
Speaker 1: of a binge drinker than you know. I go forever
10:26
Speaker 1: with Adam Cocktail's. Obviously, if your bo you know, hardcore boozers,
10:30
Speaker 1: you got a problem. You can drink all hours of
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Speaker 1: a day. But it is really hard for me to
10:35
Speaker 1: wrap my head around that a sober individual in his forties. Listen,
10:41
Speaker 1: we're all human beings, so regardless of what your bank
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Speaker 1: account says, you go through hard times can really mess
10:47
Speaker 1: with you. But like you would have some knowledge of like, eh,
10:52
Speaker 1: this is pretty sketchy, probably shouldn't do this, and then
10:55
Speaker 1: you factor in like, hey, if something goes wrong, this
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Speaker 1: is a massive public story. And that's what this turned
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Speaker 1: into the moment. Yeah, it actually wasn't a hooker. It
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Speaker 1: was pretty clearly the cops behind these fake ads. We've
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Speaker 1: all watched enough television shows to go yet pretty easy
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Speaker 1: to set up, and they're just waiting for you. And
11:17
Speaker 1: again the twenty dollars tip brought the extra twenty dollars.
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Speaker 1: It is somewhat funny to me, but awful. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's just no way to put it. I mean, what
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Speaker 1: do you even say? The statement honestly makes it even
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Speaker 1: more embarrassing, Like what I would recommend and listen. I'm
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Speaker 1: a big believer. I think PR is a little overrated.
11:45
Speaker 1: Like not every human being that follows the forty nine
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Speaker 1: ers or follows the NFL is waiting for a forty
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Speaker 1: nine er statement. Hot take, don't say anything. What could
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Speaker 1: you possibly say to not make this worse unless you
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Speaker 1: just tweeted like a statement from Jed and Kyle. I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure is scheduled to talk on Tuesday. Obviously he's
12:08
Speaker 1: gonna be asked about it. My guess is he completely deflects, like, hey,
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Speaker 1: this is a personal matter between Jed. I got no comment,
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Speaker 1: and I don't blame him that. That's really the only
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Speaker 1: tactic you can take. I think Jed is gonna have
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Speaker 1: to say something. This is gonna be one of those
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Speaker 1: where Jed's gonna have to say something. Maybe he goes
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Speaker 1: to sex rehab or I don't know, He's got something's
12:33
Speaker 1: gotta happen. And I would imagine when the NFL comes
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Speaker 1: down on him. Maybe that is associated because I just
12:42
Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing a guy going through a
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Speaker 1: rough time, and I'm gonna give him the benefit of
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Speaker 1: dout on that this divorce which he filed for. I
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Speaker 1: think I read today in May, so it's still relatively fresh.
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Speaker 1: You've got young kid. I think kids are kids. He
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Speaker 1: definitely has one. Okay, listen, I've known my friends and
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Speaker 1: family member people got through doors. It can fuck you up.
13:08
Speaker 1: I don't care to pull this off, like I just
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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to wrap my head around it
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Speaker 1: really is now. I've also seen some over the top
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Speaker 1: like he's gonna get kicked out of the league. Like
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Speaker 1: he not getting kicked out of the league. You don't
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Speaker 1: get kicked out of the league for Hooker. You just
13:27
Speaker 1: don't that that would be a slippery slope. Remember, I
13:32
Speaker 1: think why a lot of people thought that the NBA
13:35
Speaker 1: was going to beat around the bush on the Balmer thing.
13:40
Speaker 1: Obviously that Steve had unlimited resources because like one of
13:43
Speaker 1: the richest humans on this planet, and he's definitely the
13:45
Speaker 1: richest NBA owner. But the other big reason was like, hey,
13:49
Speaker 1: they didn't want to get into a situation where a
13:50
Speaker 1: lot of the other owners are like, don't look at
13:53
Speaker 1: under my books, don't look at my franchise. This is
13:56
Speaker 1: one of those where I'll promise you this, I would
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Speaker 1: bet my life life on this that there aren't going
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Speaker 1: to be people to be like, yeah, let's kick Jed
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Speaker 1: York out of the league and force him to sell
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Speaker 1: because he got caught with a hooker. That'll be something
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Speaker 1: that is not going to get brought up by other
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Speaker 1: NFL owners because a lot of glasshouses in that room
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Speaker 1: promise you that. But regardless, this is something that just
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Speaker 1: can't take place. I've said it before and I will
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Speaker 1: say it again. When I was a freshman in college
14:25
Speaker 1: and the show playmakers came out and the NFL freaked,
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Speaker 1: and Paul Tagliabu forced ESPN to cancel the show because
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Speaker 1: they had a player doing blow. They had an owner
14:37
Speaker 1: who was hiding or a coach hiding a sickness, They
14:39
Speaker 1: had an owner who was they had a bunch of issues,
14:41
Speaker 1: concussion issue, had all sorts of stuff going on. It
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Speaker 1: isn't remotely as bad as what goes on in the
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Speaker 1: actual NFL. And if you just take the last calendar
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Speaker 1: year of things that have happened, it doesn't even scratch
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Speaker 1: it's the surface of the realities that the actual human
15:03
Speaker 1: beings associated with the number one television show partake in
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Speaker 1: get in trouble with situations they're just involved in. And
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Speaker 1: this truly takes the cake again. Say it out loud.
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Speaker 1: The owner of the forty nine ers goes to a
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Speaker 1: mobile park in some random town in Ohio to get
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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty dollars hooker with twenty dollars to
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Speaker 1: give her as a tip. That's my that's that makes
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Speaker 1: me laugh. It just does. Now. There, you know, we
15:41
Speaker 1: got some people, depending on where you are in the
15:42
Speaker 1: political spectrum, they're like, solicitation as long as you're overage
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Speaker 1: should be legal. That's not the conversation we're having. But
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Speaker 1: I just know that can't happen, and I would expect
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Speaker 1: the NFL to suspend them. It wouldn't shock me if
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Speaker 1: they are if rogers, I mean, this is a pretty
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Speaker 1: embarrassing moment. You know, Kraft got the orchids of Asia
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Speaker 1: on the day of the AFC Championship. Craft's an eighty
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Speaker 1: year old man. I'm sorry. I just look at it
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Speaker 1: a little differently than like a guy in his mid
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Speaker 1: forties who's like active in Silicon Valley, who's politically active,
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Speaker 1: like who just in theory should hold him to a
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Speaker 1: higher standard than an eighty year old man. Fair not.
16:23
Speaker 1: I just do you know the Craft thing, Honestly, didn't
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Speaker 1: bother me. I thought it was kind of funny, you know,
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Speaker 1: he didn't get any trouble because I bet most people did.
16:32
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit, that's my take. Who gives you
16:34
Speaker 1: this one? Is like, yeah, this is a problem because
16:40
Speaker 1: it's hard to think that this is just the random
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Speaker 1: first time, Like you are putting yourselves. You're putting yourself
16:49
Speaker 1: if you're jed in situations. Well, I mean, let's face it,
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Speaker 1: We've seen documentaries like Bro, you get killed in these situations, beaten,
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Speaker 1: beat into a pulp, Like I truly believe, and I
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Speaker 1: said it earlier. I think he is lucky the cops
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Speaker 1: were there. These are type situations that could go from
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Speaker 1: bad to as bad as it gets real in the
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Speaker 1: blink of a fucking eye. I mean seriously, so I
17:19
Speaker 1: this has I don't think has any impact on the
17:21
Speaker 1: actual team, Like their success is gonna come down to
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Speaker 1: McCaffrey and Kittle and Bosa and all those guys. But
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Speaker 1: this isn't staying on the organization. And this is an
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Speaker 1: organization that once upon a time. The reason his family
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Speaker 1: got the team was because Eddie de Barbelow in the
17:38
Speaker 1: late nineties was caught with a bag or a briefcase.
17:41
Speaker 1: I forget the exact you know instrument he used to
17:47
Speaker 1: carry the cash a four hundred thousand dollars met a
17:50
Speaker 1: politician to try to get a riverboat casino in Louisiana,
17:55
Speaker 1: and that politician was wearing a wire and was being
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Speaker 1: tracked by the Feds, and Eddie got popped and that
18:02
Speaker 1: ended his reign, which at the time was one of
18:04
Speaker 1: the greatest runs in the history of sports. And We'll
18:07
Speaker 1: go down is one of the great runs in the
18:09
Speaker 1: history of sports. And if someone texts me today, the
18:11
Speaker 1: crazy part is, like Eddie de Bartlow is younger than
18:15
Speaker 1: Robert Craft, younger than Jerry Jones, Like he could still
18:18
Speaker 1: have been running the forty nine ers. Now there is
18:21
Speaker 1: some debate whether he got kicked out of the league,
18:24
Speaker 1: whether he just kind of didn't want to deal with
18:27
Speaker 1: it and just gave the team to his sister, which
18:30
Speaker 1: is Jed's mom, who I think it was like two
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Speaker 1: thousand and seven or two thousand and eight officially named
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Speaker 1: Jed the CEO, and then over the course of the
18:39
Speaker 1: last like five years, they have moved the shares. I
18:44
Speaker 1: don't know if he's officially had to pay for him
18:46
Speaker 1: or they could just move it to him that he
18:48
Speaker 1: is the largest shareholder of the forty nine ers, not
18:50
Speaker 1: his parents, because for a long time it's like Jed
18:52
Speaker 1: runs the forty nine ers, well technically his parents do.
18:55
Speaker 1: And that's the thing with Kraft, Like at the end
18:57
Speaker 1: of this is why it's easy to be a little
18:58
Speaker 1: harder on Jed. It's like Kraft bought the fucking Patriots.
19:03
Speaker 1: Craft is a rich guy. Jed got the team because
19:07
Speaker 1: his uncle once got in trouble and then his parents
19:11
Speaker 1: funneled him the team. And listen, I got no ill
19:14
Speaker 1: will towards Jed. I don't know him, maybe briefly kind
19:17
Speaker 1: of talk to him in a scrum situation. But I
19:20
Speaker 1: just think that I'm a human being, you know, and
19:24
Speaker 1: I just you don't shake shit like this. You don't,
19:29
Speaker 1: And it'll be fascinating what the NFL does. I think
19:31
Speaker 1: they're almost obligated to suspend him again, whatever that means
19:36
Speaker 1: with an owner can't go to games. I mean, I
19:40
Speaker 1: don't think the forty nine ers is a business necessarily
19:42
Speaker 1: skips a beat, But yeah, it's an ugly situation. You know,
19:47
Speaker 1: you poster him all over the internet everywhere you look, right,
19:50
Speaker 1: especially in the Bay Area. The papers will all have
19:52
Speaker 1: his face in the mugshot. It's one thing, you know.
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Speaker 1: I what the mugshot is associated with, right, that matters,
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Speaker 1: It just does. And his mugshot will always be associated
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Speaker 1: the day was the Cleveland Browns, which the way I
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Speaker 1: would say it is they just if you are a
21:40
Speaker 1: fan of the Browns, they just don't like you. They
21:44
Speaker 1: just do not like you. Because we talked about this,
21:49
Speaker 1: I always thought Watson was going to be the quarterback
21:52
Speaker 1: and then that the last forty eight hours happened where
21:56
Speaker 1: he looked absolutely atrocious in a preseason game move can't throw,
22:01
Speaker 1: just can't, I mean can't play and in fairness, in
22:04
Speaker 1: the nineteen games in which he has played, he's thrown
22:06
Speaker 1: nineteen touchdowns and average twelve million dollars if you factor
22:09
Speaker 1: in his contract a game. That and one of the
22:13
Speaker 1: reasons he missed a bunch of games because he was
22:15
Speaker 1: suspended is once he made the comments, I was like,
22:20
Speaker 1: I this you just gotta cut bait and it's gonna suck.
22:23
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a bunch of money. But this this
22:25
Speaker 1: can't continue. And it wasn't about I think Shador is
22:29
Speaker 1: the next Mahomes, you know, I don't know, maybe he'll
22:33
Speaker 1: be a solid player. I got no clue. It was
22:36
Speaker 1: just you just gotta start them. It'll breathe some life
22:38
Speaker 1: into the team. It'll make people want to watch them.
22:41
Speaker 1: It just just move on from this situation. And then
22:44
Speaker 1: part of the thing you wake up to with Jed
22:46
Speaker 1: York is the Browns also, uh, the Browns raise their hand, Jed,
22:49
Speaker 1: and they have named Deshaun Watson the starting quarterback. And
22:53
Speaker 1: I think it just shows you this was never in competition.
22:57
Speaker 1: None of this mattered. You can't tell me it's based
22:59
Speaker 1: on practice because they rotated the quarterbacks in the games.
23:04
Speaker 1: If it was based on practice, you just would have
23:07
Speaker 1: kept starting the guy who was better in practice. This
23:11
Speaker 1: was simply money. This was we've paid him a bunch
23:14
Speaker 1: of money. We're paying him a bunch of money this year.
23:17
Speaker 1: He has screwed our franchise. We might as well just
23:20
Speaker 1: see if there's anything there in the actual games, which
23:22
Speaker 1: I can't quite understand because we've seen him play these
23:29
Speaker 1: games and it's looked exactly like it has in the
23:31
Speaker 1: preseason unplayable, awful. If Deshaun Watson was two million dollar
23:39
Speaker 1: free agent signing or a six to seventh round pick,
23:43
Speaker 1: he would get cut. They would release him, and then
23:47
Speaker 1: the comments and the toxicity and the negativity around him,
23:52
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, the Jed York thing,
23:55
Speaker 1: like when the Niners run out their first home game,
23:58
Speaker 1: like Jess's not on the field, just not coaching the team,
24:01
Speaker 1: just as give press these owners ever talk, there's a
24:05
Speaker 1: chance we hear from Jed once a year now. He
24:08
Speaker 1: profits and the equity off the team has allowed him
24:11
Speaker 1: and his family riches beyond their wildest imagination. They are
24:17
Speaker 1: and Jed specifically is filthy rich. But like the success
24:21
Speaker 1: or whatever of the team, and who the spokesman for
24:23
Speaker 1: the team, he has nothing to do with. We're on this.
24:26
Speaker 1: When you're the starting quarterback, you obviously are judged on
24:31
Speaker 1: the game, but you speak for the team on Wednesday,
24:33
Speaker 1: you speak again for the team after the game. So
24:37
Speaker 1: the only person who talks more than the starting quarterback
24:39
Speaker 1: a week is the head coach. You are the spokesman
24:42
Speaker 1: for the franchise. You represent the franchise. And I know
24:45
Speaker 1: we tried to walk it back a little bit on Monday,
24:47
Speaker 1: saying his emotions got the best of them. But it's
24:50
Speaker 1: just it's past the point of no return. There's a
24:54
Speaker 1: toxicity around this guy and just a pure hatred of
24:59
Speaker 1: the situation from the fan base, which is totally understandable.
25:03
Speaker 1: They despise this human being, and this human being represents
25:07
Speaker 1: the guy off the field and the guy on the field.
25:10
Speaker 1: They don't want to watch them, They don't want to
25:13
Speaker 1: root for him. All these guys, anyone with half a
25:17
Speaker 1: brain knows they weren't gonna be that good anyway. But
25:19
Speaker 1: to lose week in week out, and having to watch
25:23
Speaker 1: this guy when at least, hey, let's just see if
25:25
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders kid, you know that helped Colorado win nine
25:29
Speaker 1: games and can at least throw an accurate football. Can
25:33
Speaker 1: we just see if he's got anything. We know we're
25:36
Speaker 1: in the quarterback market next draft. We know we're gonna
25:39
Speaker 1: move heaven on Earth to try to make a huge
25:41
Speaker 1: trade if we're not draft the night up and do
25:42
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get one of the top guys
25:45
Speaker 1: in this class, assuming it lives up to its hype.
25:50
Speaker 1: Gide the money's been paid. The salary cap situation is
25:53
Speaker 1: a salary cap situation because I'm gonna give Todd Munkin
25:57
Speaker 1: a little bit of a pass. He is coach for
26:00
Speaker 1: the last several years. Lamar Jackson, I think he's got
26:03
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't
26:07
Speaker 1: work in the NFL. At this point, I think this
26:10
Speaker 1: is one uh management above his head decision. I cannot
26:18
Speaker 1: even contemplate a human being watching what we all watched
26:25
Speaker 1: and going yeah, I'm gonna go and then and then
26:26
Speaker 1: factoring in the booze the comments and going, yeah, let's
26:29
Speaker 1: row with that guy. Let's let's put him as our
26:32
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. There's not a more negative situation in the
26:36
Speaker 1: entire league. I also think DeShawn his comments, with the
26:41
Speaker 1: power of social media and things that go viral, he's
26:44
Speaker 1: opened up a hornet's nest where they're gonna boohim on
26:46
Speaker 1: the road. This guy has become a target. This guy
26:51
Speaker 1: has this isn't your well, we're safe away from home
26:54
Speaker 1: because a lot of people say today, well they are
26:56
Speaker 1: on the road the first couple of weeks. Give a
26:59
Speaker 1: little soft land for you know, their first home game.
27:02
Speaker 1: It's not like they're opening up in Cleveland. I don't
27:06
Speaker 1: think it matters at this point. I really don't. They're
27:09
Speaker 1: playing in Jacksonville. I think week one they're gonna get
27:11
Speaker 1: the ship booted out of them. And it's not gonna
27:13
Speaker 1: be booed at Munken or boot at any of the
27:16
Speaker 1: offensive redevate. It's gonna be booed at Deshaun Watson. He
27:19
Speaker 1: is the number one villain currently in the NFL for
27:22
Speaker 1: everything he represents, for everything he represents, And I just
27:28
Speaker 1: think the Browns some franchises as a buddy texts me
27:33
Speaker 1: in a high level operation that this is basically to
27:43
Speaker 1: defend people working in Cleveland, people in that organization that
27:47
Speaker 1: have given decades of their life to work at the
27:49
Speaker 1: highest level. Now I have to sit back and watch
27:51
Speaker 1: this clown be the starter. Tough times, man, I think
27:56
Speaker 1: that's well put. Imagine working for the franchise in the
28:00
Speaker 1: business side, in the scouting side, obviously the coaching side,
28:04
Speaker 1: and just knowing like the owner who's trying to be like, hey,
28:08
Speaker 1: I'm staying out of the way. You can't convince me
28:11
Speaker 1: that this is an ownership decision, because this feels the
28:13
Speaker 1: only justification could be like, yeah, we're paying a bunch
28:16
Speaker 1: of money, which is what losing franchises do. And I
28:21
Speaker 1: think the cool part about rough Day for the state
28:25
Speaker 1: of Ohio is like when I think about Ohio, like
28:28
Speaker 1: that is a place where people love football. Football is
28:32
Speaker 1: a really big deal, high school football, small school football.
28:37
Speaker 1: I mean John Carroll produced like half the NFL. It's
28:42
Speaker 1: the Ohio State Michigan game like that. That is a
28:44
Speaker 1: hotbed for the sport that we all love in America.
28:48
Speaker 1: If you just threw me in Ohio, not East Palestine
28:52
Speaker 1: in the trailer park, but just other places where and
28:55
Speaker 1: who knows, I'm not listen. I don't know if there's
28:56
Speaker 1: hookers and that maybe they're not peaceball. I'm sure I'd
28:58
Speaker 1: get along. We'd probably talk football, and you just know,
29:02
Speaker 1: this is what you have to consume, Like this is
29:06
Speaker 1: I hate it when companies do things that's basically an
29:10
Speaker 1: f you to the consumer, because the consumers all of
29:13
Speaker 1: our lifeblood, no matter what we do. And this is
29:18
Speaker 1: a this is an industry where it's like, yeah, you're
29:22
Speaker 1: guaranteed the money win or lose, but like you're still
29:26
Speaker 1: pretty dependent on these people. And because of the monopoly
29:31
Speaker 1: that a team has in their region and on their face,
29:35
Speaker 1: like no one wants to change a team at like
29:37
Speaker 1: forty five years old. They're countless people in their forties
29:40
Speaker 1: and their fifties. They just love the Browns and it's
29:43
Speaker 1: like I listen, I this sucks, but like I want
29:47
Speaker 1: to see it get turned around and just want it
29:49
Speaker 1: to happen. No different with the Jets or the Cardinals
29:52
Speaker 1: or just some of these franchises that are just an
29:54
Speaker 1: embarrassment for the biggest league we have, and they're just
29:59
Speaker 1: hoping one day maybe a new owner will come, maybe
30:01
Speaker 1: we'll get the right coach. Maybe we'll just strike, you know,
30:04
Speaker 1: oil with a quarterback and it'll just be fun, and
30:07
Speaker 1: maybe we could have our Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes run.
30:11
Speaker 1: Maybe we could just find our Peyton Manning to change
30:13
Speaker 1: our franchise. And the Browns have consistently showed more than
30:18
Speaker 1: likely that this is not gonna happen, and that has
30:21
Speaker 1: to make a lot of people sad. But this turns
30:23
Speaker 1: into anger, and you never want to get to the
30:26
Speaker 1: point where people are apathetic, where they're just out, they're
30:31
Speaker 1: unemotionally moved. Like the moment she stops caring what you think,
30:37
Speaker 1: you're fucked. She doesn't need to like you, but if
30:40
Speaker 1: she hates you and she's anger, that emotion is powerful.
30:43
Speaker 1: No different with fans. Right the moment they do not care,
30:47
Speaker 1: You're done as so well, And I think the Brown's
30:51
Speaker 1: got to be very, very careful because today, well not
30:55
Speaker 1: the biggest stain on the league. I thought was also
30:58
Speaker 1: a pretty embarrassing moment. A couple of the Titans stink.
31:03
Speaker 1: I don't know what else say that they are terrible.
31:06
Speaker 1: I mean that Seattle rolled at their backups and obliterated
31:10
Speaker 1: them in the first quarter. I mean it felt like
31:12
Speaker 1: watching the jvvers varsity game. It was like, are the
31:15
Speaker 1: Titans safe out there? And I just hope that this
31:19
Speaker 1: cam Ward thing is not going well. You know, the
31:24
Speaker 1: owner is a kook. She has fired so many people.
31:29
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Robert solid guy, but god damn he
31:34
Speaker 1: might have taken excuse my language, the wrong gig. Great
31:39
Speaker 1: place to lift. I got married there. I love Nashville,
31:42
Speaker 1: beautiful place, no state income tax, safe places. It's just
31:46
Speaker 1: it's gorgeous. Broadway can be a little much, but also
31:49
Speaker 1: kind of fun. Man. I just think that not looking good.
31:57
Speaker 1: The other thing that's happening this week that you got
32:00
Speaker 1: to get right is because these big cuts cutdowns are
32:03
Speaker 1: gonna come toward the end of the week and into
32:05
Speaker 1: the weekend and into Monday. Is evaluation of your own team.
32:12
Speaker 1: Every team has dedicated scouts to watching all the fringe
32:17
Speaker 1: bubble guys. So all these guys that get cut Sunday, Monday, Saturday,
32:23
Speaker 1: potentially some of them the teams that play on Thursday
32:25
Speaker 1: and Friday, you are gonna have multiple grades on any
32:29
Speaker 1: guy who's solid, and on just most of the random guys,
32:33
Speaker 1: you are gonna have a grade people watched all his snaps,
32:35
Speaker 1: put a grade separate from his college grade, like if
32:38
Speaker 1: there's a seventh round pick, how he played in his
32:41
Speaker 1: twenty eight snaps in the preseason. And obviously some guys.
32:45
Speaker 1: You kind of make lists based on the grades certain
32:48
Speaker 1: guys at certain positions that you need. You are going
32:51
Speaker 1: to think about either signing or you know, claiming in
32:54
Speaker 1: the waiver situation when guys get cut, or trying to
32:58
Speaker 1: poach and put on your practice squad. The key is,
33:04
Speaker 1: if you're a team, is to keep the right guys.
33:08
Speaker 1: The evaluation process of your own team make or break you.
33:13
Speaker 1: And all these teams now you know a lot of
33:18
Speaker 1: these joint practices happen. So if some of these guys,
33:20
Speaker 1: even if you haven't played them that much in the preseason,
33:23
Speaker 1: these other teams have seen him in the joint practices.
33:26
Speaker 1: People talk. It's kind of like high school. Everyone knows everybody.
33:30
Speaker 1: Word travels fast. This is the You don't want to
33:34
Speaker 1: cut a guy that ends up on another team, or
33:37
Speaker 1: trade a guy you know it's a seventh round pick
33:40
Speaker 1: to another team, and then in two years that guy's
33:43
Speaker 1: a high level starter and they're a playoff team. You
33:47
Speaker 1: just don't want that to happen. So the evaluation process.
33:50
Speaker 1: Before you can truly nail every guy around the league,
33:54
Speaker 1: you better keep the right fifty three guys. And obviously
33:56
Speaker 1: you already have a pretty good idea who like the
33:58
Speaker 1: top forty guys are on your team, But the difference
34:01
Speaker 1: of forty one to sixty could be just tough evaluations,
34:06
Speaker 1: tough conversations, opinions of assistant coaches and coordinators versus the scouts.
34:12
Speaker 1: These are these meetings every single day. You know, whether
34:17
Speaker 1: it's in the morning or the afternoon or the night
34:19
Speaker 1: after dinner. You know, these off days, like when a
34:22
Speaker 1: team plays on a Saturday, the players are off on Sunday,
34:29
Speaker 1: the scouting staff and the coaches are not off. So
34:32
Speaker 1: they will meet at some point in time that day
34:35
Speaker 1: and go over the game and go over the guys
34:38
Speaker 1: standing on the team. If you've watched Hard Knocks, and
34:41
Speaker 1: they go to that big room with like seven hundred people,
34:44
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, you see John Schneider kind of off to
34:46
Speaker 1: the corner. I'm sure a bunch of other scouts and
34:48
Speaker 1: trainers are in there. That is what that meeting is
34:52
Speaker 1: is to try to figure out your roster. Who you're
34:55
Speaker 1: gonna keep, Who do you think The individual coaches who
34:58
Speaker 1: they think they should keep. To the GM and the
35:00
Speaker 1: head coach work in unison to try to either agree
35:04
Speaker 1: or be like, hey, we got to do this because
35:06
Speaker 1: of the number game. It's a complicated formula and it's
35:10
Speaker 1: all about getting it right with your own team. So
35:13
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this time of year because always we
35:18
Speaker 1: see guys released or some weird trade and that guy goes.
35:24
Speaker 1: The Chiefs once traded for Tarvarius Ward in the middle
35:28
Speaker 1: of training camp. He went on to be a three
35:31
Speaker 1: year starter for them from the Dallas Cowboys. Then he
35:36
Speaker 1: went to the forty nine Ers on a big contract.
35:38
Speaker 1: Then he went to the Colts on a big contract,
35:40
Speaker 1: like he can't let those guys go, you know now,
35:43
Speaker 1: And sometimes for whatever reason, specific player doesn't fit the scheme.
35:47
Speaker 1: But it's almost like, hey, can we figure out a
35:49
Speaker 1: scheme to make this guy work. He's too good to
35:51
Speaker 1: let go somewhere else and thrive when we're the one
35:55
Speaker 1: who kind of you know, developed him during the last
35:58
Speaker 1: six months, found him, signed him, like drafted them late.
36:03
Speaker 1: And it's it's a very very tensions probably the wrong word,
36:08
Speaker 1: but just it's these are long days and those couple
36:11
Speaker 1: days when guys get cut. I remember I slept in
36:13
Speaker 1: the office. I didn't sleep in the office much, but
36:15
Speaker 1: I did a couple of times during that period of time,
36:19
Speaker 1: my first couple of years, just because you got so
36:21
Speaker 1: much going on. And that was actually an easier time
36:24
Speaker 1: because we went from seventy five to fifty three. Now
36:28
Speaker 1: they just go from ninety to fifty three, so you
36:30
Speaker 1: just have a lot more players. The waiver wires, you
36:33
Speaker 1: print that thing out, it's like seventy five pages long
36:37
Speaker 1: before the mail bag My quick Dad Diaries is they
36:44
Speaker 1: get teeth right, and Jack has a couple of teeth
36:47
Speaker 1: coming up the bottom, like a like a rabbit. We've
36:50
Speaker 1: been calling him jack Rabbit because he's got these two
36:51
Speaker 1: little teeth. He hasn't got any above and forever. When
36:55
Speaker 1: you're playing with them, making them laugh, you could like
36:57
Speaker 1: stick your nose in his mouth and he kind of
36:59
Speaker 1: chomps down like he's got you know, like he's an
37:03
Speaker 1: old lady in a nursing home. Would takes out the
37:05
Speaker 1: dentures and he's just got gums so he couldn't hurt you.
37:09
Speaker 1: And these teeth at first they're just tiny, little white things,
37:11
Speaker 1: and then they get big, and now he's just got
37:13
Speaker 1: two solid sized teeth that are kind of jagged. And
37:17
Speaker 1: the other day, you know, you put him in the bath,
37:19
Speaker 1: we have a little routine bath. You loationing him down,
37:23
Speaker 1: put him in a little sleepsack, you know, take him
37:25
Speaker 1: to bed. Well, he sometimes he goes nuts when you
37:30
Speaker 1: put the lotion on him, hands, kicking, freaking out. So
37:33
Speaker 1: I've been kind of holding him down like he's in
37:36
Speaker 1: an insane asylum, and I try to make him laugh.
37:40
Speaker 1: So I was making him laugh the other day and
37:42
Speaker 1: I was putting my nose, which I've always kind of done,
37:45
Speaker 1: kind of by his mouth, and we were just messing around,
37:48
Speaker 1: and I put my nose all the way in his mouth.
37:51
Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking about it for whatever reason. All
37:55
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he clamps down like he's a great
38:00
Speaker 1: white shark in the Pacific Ocean, and I could feel
38:04
Speaker 1: his tooth going through the side of my nose, and
38:08
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my eyes. I mean, it was
38:10
Speaker 1: as painful of anything I felt in a minute. And
38:14
Speaker 1: I look down and my nose is just clamped down
38:17
Speaker 1: in his mouth, and I had to open it and
38:20
Speaker 1: pull out. I had blood coming from my nose. And
38:23
Speaker 1: as I do that, he takes his hand and he
38:26
Speaker 1: slices my eye. I've had a scab for like three
38:30
Speaker 1: days right by my right eye. So I got Wolverine,
38:36
Speaker 1: I got jaws, and I I didn't quite give her
38:40
Speaker 1: enough respect. Maybe when he first started getting teeth one
38:43
Speaker 1: night she was breastfeeding. Maybe it was during the day
38:47
Speaker 1: she was breastfeeding, and all of a sudden, she let
38:50
Speaker 1: out a scream. You would have thought someone just got shot.
38:54
Speaker 1: And it was the first time he had ever truly
38:56
Speaker 1: like clamped down and then pulled back with the teeth.
39:01
Speaker 1: Gotta be careful, man, you gotta you gotta respect as
39:05
Speaker 1: my wife said, the other day, I'm scared of a
39:07
Speaker 1: seven year old in my home. We are scared of
39:11
Speaker 1: a seven of a seven month old. Uh, mainly because
39:14
Speaker 1: at any moment he can take away our entire night's sleep.
39:17
Speaker 1: At any moment, he could rip off a nipple or
39:19
Speaker 1: a nose. Uh. It is. It is truly crazy. How
39:24
Speaker 1: when you don't like I've never even thought, oh, babies,
39:28
Speaker 1: you know, like cry a little bit, don't sleep, whatever
39:30
Speaker 1: it is, they are in full fucking control of your life.
39:35
Speaker 1: It's it's wild. But that that piercing pain of the
39:40
Speaker 1: two jagged teeth going in the side of my nose
39:44
Speaker 1: and the gum part up top clamping down, you know,
39:47
Speaker 1: like when when the mob takes a car to get
39:51
Speaker 1: rid of at the uh at the yard that smashes
39:54
Speaker 1: the car. That's that's the car felt like my nose,
39:57
Speaker 1: and he felt like that machine that just destroys, you know,
40:03
Speaker 1: makes like a suburban, you know, a foot high. It
40:07
Speaker 1: just it just it just smothers it. Be careful once
40:12
Speaker 1: they get teeth, you gotta watch out. Okay, let's do
40:27
Speaker 1: a couple of mail bad questions. I've listened to your
40:31
Speaker 1: show for close to ten years now. This is Dakota.
40:35
Speaker 1: I appreciate that bro in joint practices do opposing teams
40:41
Speaker 1: ask the other side of the ball to run specific
40:43
Speaker 1: player formations to see how they perform. I imagine the
40:46
Speaker 1: offense would run a team specific play, but say, for instance,
40:50
Speaker 1: a generic power play. Is it normal for defenses to
40:53
Speaker 1: ask for that just so the coaches can see how
40:56
Speaker 1: they look against someone other than themselves. Well, the head
41:01
Speaker 1: coaches work together, So the head coaches before they practice,
41:06
Speaker 1: maybe two or three days, are on the phone going
41:09
Speaker 1: over how we want to run practice. And some of
41:13
Speaker 1: these teams have done it years in the past, so
41:16
Speaker 1: they already know what the other teams like. But you
41:19
Speaker 1: work with the other head coach. I would imagine some
41:22
Speaker 1: teams even have the coordinator's touch base, so you could
41:26
Speaker 1: set up the practice script of hey, we're going red zone. Hey,
41:30
Speaker 1: when we're doing the ones, can you do the ones?
41:32
Speaker 1: Or are we gonna go ones on twos? Hey, maybe
41:35
Speaker 1: we get a period where we don't know your script,
41:39
Speaker 1: we don't know what you're doing. You do whatever you want.
41:42
Speaker 1: Maybe we set up a period, you know, for both
41:45
Speaker 1: of our offenses, like a blitz period against some of
41:47
Speaker 1: your looks. So you work hand in hand with the
41:52
Speaker 1: other staff. You don't just show up to practice blind,
41:55
Speaker 1: be like, what do you guys want to do? So
41:57
Speaker 1: you come with the plant, maybe ad lib a little
41:59
Speaker 1: bit out there, but it is it's a team effort.
42:04
Speaker 1: It's not like a game. I would say, it's the
42:06
Speaker 1: opposite of a game. You show up to a game
42:08
Speaker 1: ideally no one has any information, right and we see
42:11
Speaker 1: who the better team is. The practice is a complete opposite. Hey,
42:15
Speaker 1: how can we service you? How can you service me? So?
42:18
Speaker 1: Jed said, And uh, yeah, it's it's a team effort
42:25
Speaker 1: by both teams you've been on. Aaron Glenn made me
42:28
Speaker 1: think of a quirky question for you. Seven head coaches
42:32
Speaker 1: currently played in the League. Of those, I would assert
42:35
Speaker 1: that Glenn and Demiko were stars. Maybe you put Vrabel
42:41
Speaker 1: as a star too. Definitely a high level player. Jim
42:44
Speaker 1: Harbaugh long career, but was kind of a journeyman. Kellen Moore,
42:48
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, Todd Bowles were role players. I would go
42:53
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell and Todd Bowles were like legit role players
42:56
Speaker 1: like they played. Kellen was just a lifetime a second
43:00
Speaker 1: third stringer like he was a He was not on
43:03
Speaker 1: their level. But I hear what you're saying. I went
43:05
Speaker 1: back and looked forty years ago, nineteen eighty five. God
43:10
Speaker 1: makes all feel old. I think more than half the
43:12
Speaker 1: coaches had played the Super Bowl after eighty five match
43:16
Speaker 1: two coaches who had been Hall of Fame players Ditka
43:21
Speaker 1: and Raymond Berry. So the question is this, is the
43:24
Speaker 1: former player as a head coach gonna be extinct in
43:28
Speaker 1: twenty years. How can Aaron Glenn compete when he plays
43:32
Speaker 1: till he was thirty seven against Shanahan and Kubiak and McVeigh, etc.
43:36
Speaker 1: Who are in the NFL meeting rooms at twenty two
43:39
Speaker 1: to twenty four. Do you think being a former player
43:42
Speaker 1: brings anything the table as a head coach in the
43:44
Speaker 1: twenty six game, the difference is, is Aaron Glenn, like
43:50
Speaker 1: if you played all thirty seven, right, you have been
43:53
Speaker 1: with the team in the meetings, so you are dialed
43:56
Speaker 1: in on football. Now you have off days when they work.
44:00
Speaker 1: Your schedule is lighter, right, just in terms of work hours.
44:04
Speaker 1: I mean you have to play in the game, but
44:06
Speaker 1: like you don't get there as early as them, you
44:09
Speaker 1: definitely leave way before them. I think the number one
44:13
Speaker 1: reason this has gone the other way is I mean,
44:16
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn's a little older. I came in the league
44:18
Speaker 1: in the nineties. How are you going to convince a
44:22
Speaker 1: guy who's made one hundred and fifty million dollars to
44:26
Speaker 1: work ninety one hundred hours a week. You go back
44:29
Speaker 1: to Ditka, Raymond Berry. You just go around the league
44:32
Speaker 1: in the in the eighties, right, no one had made
44:36
Speaker 1: any money, so you weren't rich. All the guys now
44:41
Speaker 1: are filthy rich, like so rich that their kids' kids
44:45
Speaker 1: knows there ain't running out of money. That's where I
44:48
Speaker 1: think that you know, Dan Campbell was a role player,
44:51
Speaker 1: Like you said, who else did you lift? Todd Bowles?
44:57
Speaker 1: Tod Bowles played in the eighties, Tom Bows I didn't
45:00
Speaker 1: make that much money. Jim Harball was destined to be
45:03
Speaker 1: a coach. He idolized his dad and his dad as
45:05
Speaker 1: a coach. Uh Vrabel, I would say, is somewhat unique.
45:10
Speaker 1: But I bet if we look Mike Vrabels career earnings,
45:19
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel earned twenty two million dollars playing in the NFL.
45:24
Speaker 1: I bet in the as a as a coach, he's
45:28
Speaker 1: probably three x that. So if you are a role
45:33
Speaker 1: player and no ever make any money, and he loved football. Like, yeah, coachings,
45:38
Speaker 1: but if you're I just think that it's going to
45:42
Speaker 1: be really difficult to convince guys who don't need it financially.
45:46
Speaker 1: It's gonna be an itch. And I think one thing
45:48
Speaker 1: you've seen is a lot of them go to the
45:50
Speaker 1: U Sports because they love football, right Keikley and Greg
45:55
Speaker 1: Olsen and Philip Rivers. And you just go around, you
45:58
Speaker 1: see you see a lot of these guys coaching high
46:00
Speaker 1: school because, like you know, it's a little easier, but
46:03
Speaker 1: they still get their juices flowing. I truly think it's
46:07
Speaker 1: the money. It's just the money. Now they're gonna be up.
46:10
Speaker 1: There's going to be a player who's made a lot
46:12
Speaker 1: of money that wants to coach in the NFL. But
46:15
Speaker 1: it is a grind, the scrutiny of it, the pressure
46:18
Speaker 1: of it. It's a lot. It's just it's a lot.
46:23
Speaker 1: So I don't think they're at that big of a disadvantage.
46:27
Speaker 1: If you've been like trying to think of a guy
46:31
Speaker 1: who's a good example of like an older if like
46:35
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, who's super rich, right, he's made a bunch
46:38
Speaker 1: of money. But if Joe Flack was like, I could
46:40
Speaker 1: be the head coach one day in the NFL. He's
46:42
Speaker 1: not wrong. You probably could if he cared. If you
46:44
Speaker 1: want to do well. It's like, well, Joe's starting at
46:47
Speaker 1: forty years old and he's got to go up against
46:49
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, and Demiko's a bad example because now Demiko's
46:52
Speaker 1: career got cut short because of injuries. But let's just
46:55
Speaker 1: use Mike McDonald. So they're basically the same age. But
46:59
Speaker 1: Mike's been coaching since he got out of college. Well,
47:02
Speaker 1: Joe's been in these quarterback rooms and worked hand in
47:06
Speaker 1: hand with coordinators quarterback coaches, like he knows exactly what
47:10
Speaker 1: it looks like. So the tutorial for him would be
47:15
Speaker 1: way less of a transition. Now, if you play dB
47:20
Speaker 1: and you just think like I'll be the defensive coordinator
47:24
Speaker 1: corner specifically, like in two years, it could be a
47:27
Speaker 1: little more difficult. You look at like Demiko Vrabel, like
47:30
Speaker 1: these guys calling the defense, you know, Kellen Moore quarterback,
47:34
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, quarterback, Aaron Glenn just worked his way up.
47:40
Speaker 1: I mean Aaron Glenn started at the bottom and worked
47:42
Speaker 1: his way up. Who's the other guy, Demiko? Demiko did too.
47:46
Speaker 1: Demiko started with the forty nine ers as a quality
47:49
Speaker 1: control coach. Now he flew to the top. I mean
47:52
Speaker 1: within like three years he was defensive coordinator. Maybe a
47:54
Speaker 1: little bit longer than that. I see comments online. Might
47:59
Speaker 1: have been on Instagram asking this question, and it got
48:01
Speaker 1: me thinking what value do NFL owners actually provide? The
48:06
Speaker 1: TV deal pays the running costs, and as we've seen
48:09
Speaker 1: with the Bills new stadium, the taxpayer front the costs
48:12
Speaker 1: of the new stadium. With the Packers able to operate
48:14
Speaker 1: without an owner, other than the occasional scandal, what are
48:19
Speaker 1: the NFL owners actually providing to the league. Well, they
48:23
Speaker 1: provide to their teams. So if you have, if you
48:26
Speaker 1: have an owner who is more willing to spend on players,
48:30
Speaker 1: give big bonuses, spend cash. Not all teams are the
48:34
Speaker 1: same in terms of their practice facilities. Google Denver, Bronco's
48:38
Speaker 1: new practice facility. Would you rather be in that or
48:42
Speaker 1: just some of these other? Like all the all the
48:44
Speaker 1: major colleges PRACTI facilities are nicer than most of the nfls.
48:47
Speaker 1: Why because in the NFL, I don't recruit you, I
48:50
Speaker 1: pay you to do the job. You know, the chiefs
48:52
Speaker 1: take a lot of shit for a long time. So
48:54
Speaker 1: they can have better equipment, they can have better rehab equipment.
48:57
Speaker 1: You can pay, you know, to have better coaching. I
49:00
Speaker 1: mean the Chargers historically up until Jim Harbaugh never paid
49:03
Speaker 1: a coach. So they are more I would say, important
49:10
Speaker 1: to their individual organization than to the totality and the aggregate.
49:15
Speaker 1: The aggregate, they're very replaceable. They mean nothing during a week.
49:20
Speaker 1: They can't impact you negatively. Dan Snyder used to be like,
49:23
Speaker 1: draft this guy, or you know, sign this guy, but
49:26
Speaker 1: most guys aren't necessarily doing that. It's more like, hey,
49:31
Speaker 1: we want these three free agents, but to cook our books,
49:33
Speaker 1: we need to give them more cash and signing bonuses
49:35
Speaker 1: so we can you know, amortize it over the costs
49:38
Speaker 1: of the deal. And some owners be like, yeah, I'm
49:40
Speaker 1: not paying that much cash, and other owners be like,
49:41
Speaker 1: do whatever you see fit. So I think it's more
49:44
Speaker 1: that what Week one games are you most excited about? Well,
49:50
Speaker 1: not counting the primetime games, because I think we all,
49:54
Speaker 1: you know, the first the first two games are really good.
49:57
Speaker 1: Seattle Pats Niners, Rams, I would say, if we're just
50:02
Speaker 1: looking at Sunday and obviously Chiefs Broncos. I mean those
50:05
Speaker 1: are fantastic games. I think there were three that jumped
50:09
Speaker 1: out to me. Saints Lions cannot wait. The ten AM
50:13
Speaker 1: slate actually isn't terrible. Saints Lions, Ravens at Colts is
50:19
Speaker 1: a good one. Bears Panthers, I mean, I want to
50:22
Speaker 1: watch Kleb. Bill's Texans is fantastic. I mean that could
50:26
Speaker 1: be an AFC Championship preview. Packers Vikings pretty interesting. I
50:31
Speaker 1: would say I would say Bill's Texans best game. The
50:34
Speaker 1: ten AM slate's not bad. Bears Panthers, Ravens, Colts, Saints Lions,
50:41
Speaker 1: Bucks at the Bengals. There's some bad ones though, chand s.
50:45
Speaker 1: Titan's Dolphins, Raiders, who the Cardinal Cardinals? Chargers? What's the
50:50
Speaker 1: line on that thing? Charger are a ten point favorite
50:53
Speaker 1: week one? You know you suck. If you're a ten
50:57
Speaker 1: and a half point underdog week one, you suck? I mean,
51:01
Speaker 1: Jesus okay two more, huge fan of the show, Why
51:05
Speaker 1: do you think most people won't acknowledge how bad of
51:07
Speaker 1: a pick Will Campbell truly was? Membo? Banks and Simmons
51:11
Speaker 1: were picked after and played in a different stratosphere than
51:14
Speaker 1: Campbell's rookies. The kid Mims on the Bengals is also
51:17
Speaker 1: a freak athlete. Even if Will Campbell reaches the ceiling
51:20
Speaker 1: and cleans up his technique, like Whitworre says, his athletic
51:24
Speaker 1: upside is nowhere near the four guys I just mentioned.
51:27
Speaker 1: So I don't see any scenario where the Patriots can justify.
51:31
Speaker 1: I think they really fell in love with his, like
51:34
Speaker 1: his makeup, super high character. Team captain just wants it, cares.
51:41
Speaker 1: But there are certain positions like guard. You know, I
51:44
Speaker 1: can just win on toughness and guile and grit and
51:47
Speaker 1: just just griminess. As a left tackle, it's just like
51:51
Speaker 1: you verse all the dudes and can you take him down? Now?
51:56
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna write the guy off after rookie season.
51:58
Speaker 1: Some of it he was injured. But Week one you
52:02
Speaker 1: got some fucking dudes. You're playing and they just worked
52:06
Speaker 1: you on the super Bowl. Well you're playing week one
52:11
Speaker 1: Wednesday night football. There ain't gonna be one hundred million
52:14
Speaker 1: people watching. How many who we think are gonna watch
52:17
Speaker 1: Wednesday night Patriots at Seahawks. My guess will be thirty
52:20
Speaker 1: million people. Thirty million people. Maybe I'm low. I think
52:25
Speaker 1: these first two games. Netflix second game, but like NBC,
52:30
Speaker 1: everyone has the channel. I think this is the rating
52:34
Speaker 1: on this game. Super Bowl rematch is gonna be massive.
52:37
Speaker 1: And you watch Seattle, they're backups against the Tennessee Titans.
52:42
Speaker 1: Their backups that first quarter it looked like are they
52:45
Speaker 1: trying to hurt people out here? Their mentality that they're
52:48
Speaker 1: gonna come for this guy, and Mike is an elite
52:52
Speaker 1: defensive coach. I think we learn a lot right away,
52:56
Speaker 1: like what's this kid got? That's a big, big night
52:59
Speaker 1: for the guy. I'm not gonna write them all. I'm
53:01
Speaker 1: not gonna write anyone off after one year, but I
53:04
Speaker 1: hear you it's pretty scary because he like Simmons and
53:08
Speaker 1: the cheat like not even comparable. Help me understand your
53:11
Speaker 1: resistance to NFL rookies who are cut unhappy going back
53:15
Speaker 1: to college for NIO money. Don't we want football players
53:18
Speaker 1: to be able to play football. It seems anti capitalists
53:21
Speaker 1: to prevent players from earning what they can while they can't. Well,
53:27
Speaker 1: this group of guys, their eligibility was over and now
53:31
Speaker 1: they're just going back and saying they have an extra year,
53:35
Speaker 1: Like we have to have parameters and rules, like you
53:37
Speaker 1: can't just play college football forever? You know why because
53:40
Speaker 1: there are eighteen year olds on the field, so I
53:42
Speaker 1: can't have thirty year olds. Why didn't Texas Tech when
53:45
Speaker 1: Soresby got in trouble just call Patrick Mahomes you anti capitalists?
53:49
Speaker 1: Like why why can't he just go back? Well, why
53:51
Speaker 1: couldn't you know if Baker Mayfield didn't want to play
53:54
Speaker 1: for the UH Bucks anymore, they don't give him a contract,
53:56
Speaker 1: why couldn't you just go back and play at Oklahoma? Like?
53:59
Speaker 1: Where do you draw the long? Like I'm not as
54:01
Speaker 1: bothered by these guys that aren't gonna be in the league.
54:04
Speaker 1: I had no problem, But can I just think that
54:07
Speaker 1: there has to be specific rules about once you go
54:11
Speaker 1: to an NFL training camp. It's no different with the basketball.
54:15
Speaker 1: You can't be in the G league and then go
54:16
Speaker 1: back and play at Alabama. Tried to happen last year. People,
54:19
Speaker 1: It's like we have to draw a line in the sand.
54:22
Speaker 1: No one has a problem that has any common sense
54:24
Speaker 1: or brain with anyone getting paid. And I actually watched
54:27
Speaker 1: Lang Kiffin today and I do understand what he says.
54:30
Speaker 1: He's like, there's a unique circumstance the Kwan Wright wouldn't
54:33
Speaker 1: have left college if he would have had an extra
54:36
Speaker 1: year of eligibility, or I do think it gets weird.
54:39
Speaker 1: Is like if you could be on a practice squad
54:42
Speaker 1: and you go back to college. I think that I
54:46
Speaker 1: just think it gets weird. I mean, I listen, I'm
54:48
Speaker 1: as capital, I'm a capitalist. I'm all for us making
54:52
Speaker 1: much money as you can. I'll give you a high
54:54
Speaker 1: five and celebrated. But I also think, like if you
54:57
Speaker 1: go to the NFL, especially if you declare and you
55:02
Speaker 1: get drafted and then it doesn't go well, that you
55:05
Speaker 1: can just return. Like we all abide by certain rules.
55:10
Speaker 1: The NFL has specific rules. They used to have rules
55:12
Speaker 1: for the practice squad. If you burned your practice squad eligibility,
55:16
Speaker 1: you weren't eligible anymore. Right, there are certain eligibilities in
55:19
Speaker 1: anything that once you hit you know, like a movie
55:23
Speaker 1: ticket or a lift ticket to Snowski. There's a difference
55:26
Speaker 1: in what you pay at fifteen than what you pay
55:28
Speaker 1: at ten years old. There are just specific rules of
55:31
Speaker 1: things that you can do. And I just think that
55:36
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, there is this is so new
55:39
Speaker 1: and it was always viewed as taboo that I am
55:41
Speaker 1: not offended by this guy going back to lang Giffen,
55:44
Speaker 1: where I do think it will get interesting. Of like,
55:46
Speaker 1: we want you on our NFL team. You've been with
55:49
Speaker 1: our NFL team and I'm going back. Do we feel
55:51
Speaker 1: no sympathy for the guy that they have to cut
55:54
Speaker 1: someone to make room on these rosters, but like you're
55:59
Speaker 1: afking the wrong guy. Of like I'm not, I'm not
56:02
Speaker 1: like morally disturbed by any of this. I do think though,
56:07
Speaker 1: in any highly functioning operation, there has to be some
56:10
Speaker 1: rules and regulations, and there has to be a precedent.
56:15
Speaker 1: It's why I've always said, like, hey, you can go
56:17
Speaker 1: to the combine, you can work out up until the draft,
56:20
Speaker 1: you go back hell after the spring. But like once
56:23
Speaker 1: you join the workforce, to then hop back and forth
56:28
Speaker 1: to me feels a little bit in this weird gray area.
56:33
Speaker 1: These guys, as Lane said, specific their situation is different
56:39
Speaker 1: than everybody. But like, why couldn't a guy who's been
56:42
Speaker 1: on a practice by the last two years, who still
56:44
Speaker 1: has a year of eligibility just return? Why can't anyone
56:47
Speaker 1: return if they have any eligibility left? Some of these
56:49
Speaker 1: guys went early, justin Jefferson still has college eligibility left.
56:53
Speaker 1: Could he just take a year off and rejoin LSU.
56:55
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious, Like where do you draw the line?
56:58
Speaker 1: And maybe he never would because they could never pay
57:00
Speaker 1: him what he's getting paid. But I just think there
57:04
Speaker 1: has to be some sort of and this this is
57:07
Speaker 1: more of a college issue than an NFL, Like there's
57:09
Speaker 1: just no rules. You just can't have a lawless society,
57:14
Speaker 1: you know, I've lived in California and Arizona like that.
57:17
Speaker 1: There's some difference in how things are handled when it
57:20
Speaker 1: comes to crimes. You know, to have a high functioning society,
57:26
Speaker 1: you need rules and you need people to follow those rules.
57:30
Speaker 1: And if you don't, especially break some specific rules, there
57:34
Speaker 1: has to be consequences. And I think there's just no
57:38
Speaker 1: consequence for anything. And listen, did the players get screwed
57:41
Speaker 1: for a long period of time not getting any money?
57:45
Speaker 1: Should they have been paid more than they were even
57:47
Speaker 1: getting paid under the table at the SEC schools? One
57:51
Speaker 1: USC did too, Pete Carrol. Everyone was cheating and I
57:54
Speaker 1: was never bothered by it, But I do think this
57:58
Speaker 1: the pendulum is swung and now it's like you can
58:00
Speaker 1: just do whatever you want, whenever you want, even if
58:03
Speaker 1: I take a coach from a team, I gotta pay
58:05
Speaker 1: a buyout. If I hire coach exits buyout his ten
58:09
Speaker 1: million dollars, I have to pay him whatever. I gotta
58:11
Speaker 1: pay him for him and accept my job. And I
58:14
Speaker 1: have to pay that school ten million dollars. There's none
58:16
Speaker 1: of that with college. Some of these teams are going
58:20
Speaker 1: back and forth trying to get buy out and they
58:22
Speaker 1: can never figure it out. So I guess it's a
58:26
Speaker 1: long winded way of saying that. I just think we
58:29
Speaker 1: need some concrete. This is what's allowed and this is
58:32
Speaker 1: not allowed. And I think that's what makes people uncomfortable,
58:36
Speaker 1: is like, what's what is allowed? It feels like everything's allowed.
58:41
Speaker 1: I don't think this story gets super crazy unless a
58:44
Speaker 1: guy makes an NFL team. Let's say a seventh rounder
58:47
Speaker 1: makes the NFL team, but he's clearly the last guy
58:50
Speaker 1: in the roster. He's making, you know, the minimums eight
58:53
Speaker 1: hundred grand, and he's like, well, my program will match
58:57
Speaker 1: that money, and I'll start like that. That would be crazy.
59:00
Speaker 1: Nothing so far, none of these guys are gonna play.
59:03
Speaker 1: We'll have to keep it up. I think Jack, what's
59:06
Speaker 1: his name, I forgot it when I was talking to Colin.
59:12
Speaker 1: Let's see Jack Pieburn the dude on Tampa. He's gonna
59:18
Speaker 1: be an interesting test case. Some of these guys are
59:21
Speaker 1: gonna want to play in the NFL. I don't want
59:23
Speaker 1: to be in college campus anymore. I've been there for
59:24
Speaker 1: four years. But again, like I'm not this is not
59:28
Speaker 1: this story doesn't work me to the fact of like,
59:32
Speaker 1: can never watch college football. It's it's immoral. I know
59:36
Speaker 1: I'll be watching all the games. I do believe that
59:38
Speaker 1: the commissioner should have stepped in and have just create
59:42
Speaker 1: some hard and fast rules and work together, but that's
59:44
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. So at the end of the day,
59:46
Speaker 1: I know what I'm watching. It's a lawless, ruleless operation,
59:52
Speaker 1: which is still very entertaining on Saturday. But like a
59:54
Speaker 1: lot of guys in the NFL still have eligibility, are
59:58
Speaker 1: one of these guys gonna try it one day? I
1:00:00
Speaker 1: just don't even think it's capitalism. It's more like, I
1:00:03
Speaker 1: guess anyone else can always return to school. So you
1:00:07
Speaker 1: kind of got me stump. Maybe you got a point,
1:00:10
Speaker 1: because again I'm not that worked up over it. The
1:00:13
Speaker 1: more and more you kind of read into it, and
1:00:14
Speaker 1: who we're talking about now, it was like Saquon's going
1:00:17
Speaker 1: back to Penn State, Like, this is kind of crazy. Okay,
1:00:20
Speaker 1: I'll end on this in all seriousness. If you are
1:00:23
Speaker 1: the billionaire heir to the owner to one of the
1:00:25
Speaker 1: world's most valuable sports, Francis, what are you doing with
1:00:29
Speaker 1: a hooker in central Ohio? This ain't the same thing
1:00:32
Speaker 1: as Craft getting a working girl in Miami during Super
1:00:35
Speaker 1: Bowl Week? A little often the details there, but I
1:00:38
Speaker 1: know what you mean. And after seeing what the Seahawks
1:00:41
Speaker 1: just went for, what do you think you think there
1:00:45
Speaker 1: will be outside phone calls testing the waters now? And
1:00:48
Speaker 1: what do you think the Niners value would be twenty
1:00:51
Speaker 1: five billion or more? Uh? They don't in the stadium.
1:00:56
Speaker 1: That's the thing with the Lakers. Like everyone agrees the
1:00:58
Speaker 1: Lakers aren't worth and a half million dollars. They don't
1:01:01
Speaker 1: own the stadium. Like part of the value in some
1:01:04
Speaker 1: of these big time franchises, like when you own the stadium,
1:01:08
Speaker 1: you own it all. Like part of the value of
1:01:10
Speaker 1: the Rams is you would get sofi you know, so
1:01:13
Speaker 1: the value of that franchise would dwarf any franchise when
1:01:18
Speaker 1: you factor in la market, when you factor in what
1:01:20
Speaker 1: you can make off so far that is paid off
1:01:23
Speaker 1: as well, so you get a factor all that. In
1:01:26
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers have a lease agreement with the
1:01:29
Speaker 1: city of Santa Clara. I mean it would go for
1:01:32
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean all these if Seattle went for
1:01:35
Speaker 1: nine and a half, I don't know. In Silicon Valley
1:01:38
Speaker 1: with all those guys in their backyard fifteen, I guess,
1:01:41
Speaker 1: but he ain't selling or I be stunned. I guess.
1:01:45
Speaker 1: You can never say never, but I don't expect like
1:01:50
Speaker 1: you said that the twenty dollars was for the tip,
1:01:52
Speaker 1: so it was one hundred and forty in central Ohio.
1:01:56
Speaker 1: Have I ever been to Ohio? Yeah, I guess. I
1:01:57
Speaker 1: went to CINCINNTI Bengal game once. I think I stayed
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Speaker 1: in lexingon Kentucky, which is right across the river. I
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Speaker 1: remember kind of liking it. It was like the stadium was
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Speaker 1: at the time old, still the same stadium, but I
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Speaker 1: just remember the vibe. I was like, this place is
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Speaker 1: kind of cool. Bengals pretty good back then. When on
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Speaker 1: that audios, take it easy and stay out of those
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Speaker 1: trailer parks. Man. The volume