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Episode #194: Science Got It Wrong: Rethinking How Your Body, Food, and DNA Really Work (Biophotons Part 2) · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_00: What you're suggesting is that the the emotional conscience, our ability to forgive, to be grateful, to love, has the capacity to make coherent light within our cellular structure.
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SPEAKER_00: Trying to put in layman's in in uh in former terms here, um, that our uh you know, we could say our our attitude and our our uh you know our conscious um perception of of things creates this coherent light that then diffuses through our cell structure and is either protective if it's coherent, or if we're all in a stew, then it it's incoherent and actually, in essence, it encourages incoherent light within the cell structure, which then manifests itself as you know some sort of a cancer or a disease.
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SPEAKER_00: Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels, the podcast with yours truly, Joel Salatin, the farmer, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough, who's been on an interesting uh bit of a tear lately uh looking at at light.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, we did an episode not long ago and and moved us to how cells actually in the body emit light and how that how that responds then to many of these, you know, red light therapy and the different light therapies that we're seeing now in some of the alternative wellness community.
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SPEAKER_00: We kind of ended at that point.
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SPEAKER_00: But um uh, you know, Sina, she's a bit of a she's a bit of a a bulldog on these issues.
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SPEAKER_00: And so she's been continuing to research and is quick to admit that um that all the answers aren't here yet, but it's an exciting discovery.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know about you guys, but for me, you know, when Sina gets excited about researching something, it's fun just to you know watch where that leads, you know, where those threads lead.
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SPEAKER_00: And so um I'm gonna be as interested ever as everybody else in seeing uh what she's uncovered in the couple of weeks since that last episode.
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SPEAKER_00: You can pick that up, you know, in the uh to to bring you up to speed.
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SPEAKER_00: But um let's let's delve into and see what Cena's uncovered uh in the in the time period since that initial episode.
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SPEAKER_02: Great.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Joel.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm so excited about this topic, Joel.
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SPEAKER_02: The more I learn, the more I'm like I'm on the right track.
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SPEAKER_02: As you said, I don't have all the answers, but um, we're gonna continue to explore this topic together and um bring you along as I learn more.
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SPEAKER_02: And feel free to please send us messages on Discord or email us and help us fill in this puzzle that we're that we're actually um building together.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so a quick recap uh from for part one of the show.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to make sure everybody um is up to speed so we can move forward with this.
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SPEAKER_02: So just a quick recap.
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SPEAKER_02: In part one, we were tackling the questions that modern science cannot explain.
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SPEAKER_02: Modern science used the body as a machine, and we are made up of chemicals, and the chemicals randomly bump into each other um in order to um have the body function.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's a lot of it happens by random chance.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: If that's the case, then science can't answer some simple questions.
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SPEAKER_02: Like if there's a hundred thousand chemical reactions on average in every cell every second, how are they communicating instantaneously?
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SPEAKER_02: How are they working in harmony?
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SPEAKER_02: If you flex your bicep muscle, how is it that all of those um actin and myosin filaments move in uh in a rhythmic and coordinated manner, like practically instantaneously?
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SPEAKER_02: How do some reflexes happen faster than chemical reactions or electrical signals would allow them to?
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SPEAKER_02: Where is your memory actually actually stored?
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SPEAKER_02: And and the final question we tackled was how can you sense that somebody's staring at you even before you see that person?
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SPEAKER_02: So modern science can't answer those questions with any kind of certainty.
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SPEAKER_02: In part one, we busted the myth that your genes are the all-powerful dictators of your destiny.
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SPEAKER_02: We know epigenetics shows that diet, lifestyle, emotions can flip your genes on and off.
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SPEAKER_02: So then we dove deeper.
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SPEAKER_02: We dove into the biofield.
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SPEAKER_02: You can think of the biofield sort of like an invisible Wi-Fi network of energy that connects every part of your body together.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is actually a term biofield that was coined by Western scientists.
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SPEAKER_02: It is accepted in Western science and Western medicine.
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SPEAKER_02: And it could still seem kind of out there to you, right?
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SPEAKER_02: This concept of the biofield, but remember that before the internet, the notion of Wi-Fi itself also seemed really out there.
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SPEAKER_02: And now it's just common knowledge.
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SPEAKER_02: We talked about how ancient healing systems like Ayurveda and traditional Chinese medicine have recognized this invisible energy field for centuries, and that even Western medicine once believed in this organizing energy field until reductionist thinking took hold in the 19th century.
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SPEAKER_02: But now modern sciences science has catched is catching up, and we know that our bodies communicate in ways beyond chemical and beyond the electrical impulses that we can measure, like EEG and EKG.
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SPEAKER_02: Next, we went a step further and we explored biophotons.
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SPEAKER_02: These are ultra-weak bursts of light that are emitted from your cell, as Joel explained.
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SPEAKER_02: In the 1970s, a device was created called a photo multiplier, and it was able to measure these itty-bitty beams of light.
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SPEAKER_02: And then in 2009, scientists had this ultra-sensitive camera where we could actually see these biophotons emitting from our body.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a concept that might sound strange, but you've heard it before.
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SPEAKER_02: If you recall from high school chemistry, electrons jump to higher orbitals when they get excited.
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SPEAKER_02: When they drop back down, they release light or photons of energy.
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SPEAKER_02: So you already were taught that this happens in the body.
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SPEAKER_02: Now imagine instead of just one electron jumping up and down in one cell, imagine your whole body doing this on a massive coordinated scale.
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SPEAKER_02: I like to think of it as like a tiny firework show that's going on within us, but it's just invisible to the naked eye.
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SPEAKER_02: According to Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Fitz um Fritz Albert Popp, he was a um groundbreaking biophysicist.
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SPEAKER_02: He taught us that biophotons are how the body communicates.
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SPEAKER_02: And how every reaction, chemical reaction in your body takes place.
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SPEAKER_02: This concept makes sense because, as you know, we have lightning fast reflexes.
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SPEAKER_02: That's even what we call them lightning fast reflexes.
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SPEAKER_02: You touch a hot stove, you have to move your hand really fast away from it.
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SPEAKER_02: Some of these reflexes occur too quickly to occur via means of chemical or even electrical signals.
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SPEAKER_02: These must occur at the speed of light, through light.
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SPEAKER_02: We then talked, we brought this down to the personal level.
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SPEAKER_02: We brought it down toward to health and disease.
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SPEAKER_02: And we talked about how sickness and stress, negative emotions actually scramble these light messages in your body, which then lead to dis-ease.
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SPEAKER_02: In contrast, high vibrational frequencies like love and joy create coherent, organized messages so that this whole light show in your body dances in sync, like a well-tuned symphony.
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SPEAKER_02: In that perspective, returning to health or building health means you are restoring coherence to the body.
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SPEAKER_02: You're transforming static messages back into melody so that the body's messages again sing with clarity.
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SPEAKER_02: This, as Joel mentioned, is what we think right why we think light therapy, including infrared therapy, can heal the body.
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SPEAKER_02: But it's also light generated within the body that can heal itself.
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SPEAKER_02: We talked about how nerves can actually send SOS signals as light signals.
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SPEAKER_02: They can send these SOSs in light that recruit cells from nearby to help them repair any damage that's been done.
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SPEAKER_02: And then finally, we moved into the question of if DNA is not the boss of us, if we're more than just machines, then who orchestrates this biological symphony?
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SPEAKER_02: And the leading theory is consciousness.
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SPEAKER_02: Your consciousness might be the grand conductor that's weaving every cell and everything in your body, every beam of light together in this remarkable tapestry that is you.
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SPEAKER_02: We talked about how light, how light was created by God on day one.
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SPEAKER_02: And that wasn't light from the sun, it wasn't, it wasn't the moon.
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SPEAKER_02: And we we questioned what is this light?
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SPEAKER_02: We also talked about how light is emitted in a zinc spark when a sperm and an egg come together.
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SPEAKER_02: So, what is that light?
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SPEAKER_02: According to some great thinkers like Jordan Peterson and some scientists, that light may actually be consciousness.
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SPEAKER_02: So then we we concluded that your life, your consciousness, may actually be the greatest tool that you have to achieve health and longevity.
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SPEAKER_02: It's God given and it's free.
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SPEAKER_02: So we asked you to think about our take-home message was think about your inner monologue that you're carrying around, right?
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SPEAKER_02: You're the narrator of your own personal movie.
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SPEAKER_02: So is your story one of doom and gloom?
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SPEAKER_02: Like you can't do anything right.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm sick, there's no way I can actually heal myself, no one knows what's wrong with me.
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SPEAKER_02: Or is it a voice of resiliency and gratitude and of infinite possibility?
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SPEAKER_02: This is where our conversation is heading now.
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SPEAKER_02: We're gonna explore deeper into my theory, my prediction that light is the future of nutrition, health, and agriculture from mitochondrial dysfunction to microbial imbalance, to tight fascia, mental illness, chronic disease, a frazzled nervous system and fatigue.
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SPEAKER_02: The common thread weaving all of these health conditions together is a lack of coherent light.
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SPEAKER_02: So I want to dive deeper into these perspectives.
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SPEAKER_02: We're gonna talk about food and agriculture, and we're gonna tackle the controversial story of DNA.
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SPEAKER_02: So let's start with something we all love, which is food.
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SPEAKER_02: So imagine you're shopping for eggs at a grocery store.
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SPEAKER_02: By old school science, an egg is basically an egg.
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SPEAKER_02: They're all the same, they're all made up of protein and fat, vitamins.
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SPEAKER_02: And some would argue that these are all identical.
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SPEAKER_02: Some even still to this day argue that conventional are no different than organic.
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SPEAKER_02: But all of that is actually we're finding to be not true.
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SPEAKER_02: Researchers have tested um free range eggs versus factory farmed eggs, and they found that the free-ranged eggs emit more coherent light than the factory farmed eggs, even though they look identical on the nutrition labels.
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SPEAKER_02: So then we also have research that was done by Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Pop, and he showed that using light, he could actually distinguish between conventionally grown and organically grown tomatoes, you know, bought in a supermarket.
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SPEAKER_02: And all he did was measure their biophoton emission.
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SPEAKER_02: Of course, the organic had more coherent light than the conventionally grown tomato.
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SPEAKER_02: Lots of people have now studied this, and lots of them have tested different foods, and we're seeing the same phenomena.
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SPEAKER_02: This new discovery challenges our conventional notion that all foods are identical if they're all labeled in the same category, such as apples or bananas.
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SPEAKER_02: That's actually not true.
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SPEAKER_02: It also challenges the conventional notion that a calorie is a calorie because food is not just fuel for our body, it's information.
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SPEAKER_02: The body doesn't burn on calories like a furnace.
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SPEAKER_02: We talked about this last time.
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SPEAKER_02: The body actually organizes and utilizes energy based on the biophotonic potential of that food.
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SPEAKER_02: And we talked about this last time how when we eat food, we're not necessarily trying to just eat calories or even the chemical compounds in those foods.
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SPEAKER_02: We're actually trying to suck the light out of that food.
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SPEAKER_02: And that is the question that now I present to my kids when helping them make better food choices is I ask, which food can you suck the most coherent light out of?
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SPEAKER_02: Another way of saying that is which food is going to provide me with the most light, right?
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SPEAKER_02: The most healing energy.
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SPEAKER_02: So after this was discovered, Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Pop actually took it one step further.
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SPEAKER_02: And this I found very fascinating.
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SPEAKER_02: He was researching two molecules that had the same molecular formula.
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SPEAKER_02: So they had the same um atoms in them, the same chemical structure, but the only difference was in how their rings in that structure connected together.
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SPEAKER_02: So we would call them structural isomers of each other.
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SPEAKER_02: So again, they have the same chemicals in them, the same atoms in them.
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SPEAKER_02: These two chemicals, these two molecules were benzoapyrene, and benzoapyrene is one of the most lethal carcinogens to humans, and then its twin is benzo E pyrene, which is mostly harmless to humans.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: His question was why is one of these compounds harmful and one of them is practically harmless when they have the same chemical structure?
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SPEAKER_02: So what he what Pop did was brilliant.
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SPEAKER_02: He shined UV light on both of the molecules.
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SPEAKER_02: The molecule that would cause cancer in humans absorbed this light and then it re-emitted the light at a completely different frequency.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like it scrambled the light.
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SPEAKER_02: And then the compound that was practically harmless to humans, it allowed this UV light just to pass right through it.
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SPEAKER_02: It was not altered.
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SPEAKER_02: This baffled him.
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SPEAKER_02: So he tested 37 more chemicals.
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SPEAKER_02: Some of those chemicals were carcinogenic and some were not.
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SPEAKER_02: And what Pop found was there's a consistent pattern.
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SPEAKER_02: He could actually predict, uh, based on the interaction with light, which chemicals could cause cancer.
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SPEAKER_02: And every time the carcinogens scrambled the UV light and they did it at a frequency of about 380 nanometers.
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SPEAKER_02: And the compounds that were were harmless to humans let the light pass through it untouched.
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SPEAKER_02: So he started to wonder hmm, is there a connection between cancer forming in a human body and distorted light communication?
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SPEAKER_02: So basically, your light has been scrambled.
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SPEAKER_02: So he started to look at a phenomenon called photorepair.
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SPEAKER_02: Photorepair is where you can blast a cell with UV light and cause major damage to that cell.
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SPEAKER_02: You can you can kill it, but you can blast it to the point to cause major damage.
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SPEAKER_02: And then you can repair that damage using the same UV wavelength that you use to kill it, but you're going to use it at a weaker dose.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: The sweet spot to doing this photo repair was at around 380 nanometers in Pop's research.
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SPEAKER_02: That was the very same frequency that the carcinogens scrambled.
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SPEAKER_02: It was 380 nanometers.
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SPEAKER_02: So Pop reasoned that the carcinogens might actually cause cancer because they're interfering with your photorepair system.
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SPEAKER_02: So the ability of your light to repair damage in your body.
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SPEAKER_02: And they did that, those carcinogens did that by scrambling that light.
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SPEAKER_02: They made it incoherent.
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SPEAKER_02: They made the messages confusing.
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SPEAKER_02: So the body couldn't use it to heal.
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SPEAKER_02: And that would prevent the cells from fixing themselves.
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SPEAKER_02: So what he concluded from this set of experiences is that light can heal the body, internal light can heal the body.
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SPEAKER_02: Cancer is caused from light getting scrambled or blocked.
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SPEAKER_02: And that if you eat carcinogenic foods, or for that matter, breathe them in, it can distort or block your light, which can cause disease.
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SPEAKER_02: Doesn't that sound familiar, Joel?
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SPEAKER_02: Doesn't that sound like what ancient cultures have talked about for centuries and what chiropractors call this life force and it gets blocked and then you get disease?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the the the they just didn't have they didn't have the uh the whatever the the biometrics and the photonic language uh to you know to measure it to see it.
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SPEAKER_00: They certainly didn't have cameras, but the um, but yeah, I mean antiquity, all antiquity cultures knew that there was something magic, something whatever, non-physical almost, uh uh not uh about living things.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, I mean some some worshiped the creator and were amazed at the design.
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SPEAKER_00: Others worshiped the beings themselves, you know, animists and and uh all this and and turned the spirit in uh kind of you know into a uh a non whatever you know a non-divine uh that we are gods or trees are gods or you know, whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, Kates, I've never seen anything as lovely as a tree, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Um you have the romantic poets.
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SPEAKER_00: I gotta bring some literature into this, uh you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh, you know, so you had yeah, you have that, um but but nobody had the the technical language to actually identify what is this spark, you know, where what is this this energy that's that's beyond anything that we can almost comprehend.
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SPEAKER_00: Um yes.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember I remember last uh last time we were starting down this, we talked about uh you brought up the nine the nine consistent markers for cancer, and seven of them were were not physical.
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SPEAKER_00: They were emotional, they were you know lack of forgiveness or vengeance or hatred.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh only two were actually physical.
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SPEAKER_00: And um and that's you know that that's pretty consistent with this.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, what what you're just to make sure I'm with you, um, what you're suggesting is that the the emotional the the the conscience, the emotional conscience, our our ability to forgive, to be grateful, to love, um actually makes has the capacity to make coherent light within our cellular structure.
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SPEAKER_00: Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to trying to put in layman's in in uh in farmer terms here, um, that our uh you know we could say our our attitude and our our uh you know our conscious um perception of of things creates creates this coherent light that then diffuses through our cell structure and is either protective if it's coherent, or if we're all in a stew, um uh then it it's incoherent and actually um uh helps to scramble or or or well it scrambles, but but in essence, it encourages um incoherent light within the cell structure, which then manifests itself as you know a uh some sort of a cancer or a disease.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: You got it spot on.
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SPEAKER_02: That was a great summation.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so we touched on that a little bit in the last podcast when we talked about um placebo effect and nocebo effect.
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SPEAKER_02: Those work on a conscious level, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Those work because of your consciousness and your ability of your consciousness to actually change matter.
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SPEAKER_02: You so we gave examples in the last podcast about experiments that have been done, thousands of experiments that have been done, particularly at Princeton, um, where they showed that the mind, your your consciousness, Your intention can move matter.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is not really disputed anymore because there's such a wealth of literature published, peer-reviewed, and published about this.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, like I said, Princeton did these studies along with other universities.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's not fringe organizations that are doing this, it's reputable universities.
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SPEAKER_02: We also shared the real life example of how oh my gosh, I've the name's the name has escaped me.
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SPEAKER_02: Um the man who healed his spine.
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SPEAKER_02: Um yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um gosh, why can't why can't I think of it in this minute?
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SPEAKER_02: I must have scrambled light going on right now.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm afraid.
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SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, he healed his spine by combining um intention with positive emotions, like with high vibrational frequency emotions.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: So so he moved matter in his own body with his consciousness.
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SPEAKER_02: And and so we know that that this does exist.
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SPEAKER_02: Um we we even hear about it in our culture, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Like you could like you can do anything with a positive attitude, and you know, I mean, we have all these sayings in our in our culture.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, the Bible talks the this talks about this as well, about staying staying positive, renewing your mind daily, you know, practicing forgiveness.
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SPEAKER_02: So all the things that the Bible is telling you to do in that regard are going to actually bring coherence to the body um by by creating coherent light.
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SPEAKER_02: So uh gosh, it really I I it really bad because I can't think of his name.
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SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Joe Spenza.
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SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Joe Spenza.
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SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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SPEAKER_00: I I I there's a there's a reason why I take notes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I was looking at my notes from the previous uh from the There you go.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, who who I love, by the way.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, yes, so we have real-world examples of people doing this to heal themselves.
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SPEAKER_02: So we have scientific literature that has been peer-reviewed and published published showing that um consciousness is this master conductor of the body.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and and what I'm saying is, yeah, it it it can actually cause incoherent light or it can cause coherent light.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: So we're back to that whole concept of you create your own reality, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So you you go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: So so um uh I don't know whether I've shared this on here in the past, but you know, my my dad um had gone in for a physical.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: He was uh whatever, 60, 61.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: And um doc checked him all over and said, you know, you might you might have your your prostate feels a little bit enlarged.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: You might go to a urologist and and uh check that out.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: And so he did, and they took a biopsy, and he was he was completely from all outward appearances at the time, physically fit.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was 60, he I mean he had a dad was one of the most disciplined people I've ever known.
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SPEAKER_00: He he had a rug, he had a rug he would put, he would run in place, you know, he had his own exercise regime and all this stuff.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, remember, he's the guy that at you know, his late 50s bought a 10-speed bicycle to ride 17 miles to work and back every day to not buy to not buy uh uh gasoline during the Arab oil embargo.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: And so anyway, um I was out we we we were milking these two Gersey cows, and um I was out in the barn and he hadn't come home.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh so he went to town to get the you know the doctor to get the results of the biopsy, and um and I was milked, he hadn't come home yet, so I went ahead and milked his cow too, and um he walked in the barn, I was almost done with his cow.
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SPEAKER_00: He walked in the barn, I looked over, you know, I saw somebody was there.
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SPEAKER_00: I looked over, I didn't recognize him.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't recognize him, Cena.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean not for long.
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SPEAKER_00: I knew I knew who it was pretty quickly, but but that initial just who is that?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I got cancer.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena, he died that day.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, it took him it took him five more years to actually pass away.
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SPEAKER_00: Um but but but I can tell you that diagnosis, that was the end.
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SPEAKER_00: That was the end, and it and it so changed his countenance and his demeanor that I didn't even recognize my own father when he walked in the bar and you know, I was smoking his cow.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how much it changed.
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SPEAKER_00: Which so you know, looking back on that, I've I've often wondered um what was it a real diagnosis?
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SPEAKER_00: Was it not?
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SPEAKER_00: Was it um what what if what if he'd never gone to the doctor?
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SPEAKER_00: And and you know what, and and here I'm older than he, you know, he he died at 66, I'm now 68.
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SPEAKER_00: And um I haven't been to a doctor in I don't know what, 20 years, 30.
27:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I had a physical when I went to college, you know.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Um and you you never know how you're gonna respond to something like that.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: You just never know.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: And so I just I feel good.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: I think he felt good when he went for that physical.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: I think he felt, I mean, man, we were, you know, we were working out here, we'd loading firewood, and we, you know, we were, we were um, I mean, I was having a time of my life.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: I was here, you know, I had just um just left the newspaper and was here full time.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: And here I was, you know, with dad, and he was he had brought his accounting practice home and was, you know, was uh uh doing his own accounting here at home.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: He'd been he was home for the first time in his life doing his own little uh his accounting practice.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, uh it was it was like, man, life's good here.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: And and I mean, but it did, it wasn't, didn't last long.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: And he right there at that time, he went for this thing and and uh came back and was was different, was changed.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: And um I just can't help but think there was a lot of emotional stuff going on there.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: And I would like I would like to think that if I went, you know, I'm supposed to be going for, you know, men or men over sitting here supposed to go and get these colonoscopies and all this stuff.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: And I feel good.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: I, you know, I well, you know, sure, I'm not 20 anymore.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: I get, you know, I I was lifting a big piece of firewood actually this winter, and I kind of hurt my shoulder a little bit.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: And it took, you know, took a little bit for that to to kind of go away, you know, not like I'm 20, but but you know, but but basically I'm you know I feel good.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't um uh I mean you do age and and and there's nothing you can do about aging, but um I I just uh I'm happy, grateful, and have a lot of purpose and joy, and I'm just gonna go on.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: But there are a lot of people that think, well, that's just that's just stupid.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, you're a 70-year-old man, you're supposed to be going for all these tests and stuff, but um, but but but then I have to fight against I have to fight against the am I not going for the test because I'm worried, you know.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: So then you gotta deal with that, you know.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: Am I worried that they might find something?
30:12
SPEAKER_00: And so you gotta deal with that negative emotion.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: The list goes on and on.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: Plus, yeah, some of the tests can actually end up causing imbalances in the body.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: There was just an article published about how routine colonoscopies can actually cause um dysbiosis of the microbiome, you know, in the gastrointestinal tract.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, and then we've heard like mammograms, for example, um, you know, the exposure to radiation.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: So some of the tests in and of itself are the reason why some of us don't go to go, you know, but I I don't submit to those, you know.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: Um but Cena, wow, yeah, that that's powerful because because it's one thing, wow, you know, we're we're uh we might be going down a rabbit hole here, but but uh I'm I'm I feel like I'm I've got a chance at a good counselor here.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: So so you can either you could either say, well, I'm not going for all these tests because I really don't want to find out anything, or you can say, you know, those things can be dangerous.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna stay away from them and just go on on my routine, you know, and and and and those things could be dangerous.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, to me, those are two different emotions.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, two two to one one is negative.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going because I'm worried.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: The other is I'm not going because uh because I don't trust them or because something bad, they they might they might be as toxic as a can of you know uh Dr.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Pepper.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: And so so I I'm not gonna just like just like I I stay away from you know Coca-Cola and Lunchables and Hot Pockets and McDonald's, uh, and and that's not a negative emotion.
31:59
SPEAKER_00: That's that's a protective.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: That's a I'm protecting that's protective, but that's not negative, it's positive.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh that that really does uh change the change the outlook a little bit.
32:10
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
32:11
SPEAKER_02: And as we're talking about, it's this is your consciousness.
32:13
SPEAKER_02: It's all about your perspective.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: It's a story that you tell yourself.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: So um if you are going to get, you know, the annual exams and and all these things they want tests they want you to get as you age, for example, if you're doing it because uh you don't want to go because you're afraid they're gonna find something, then that is a fear-based response.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna sit in fear.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: And as we talked about in the last um part one, that fear is the ultimate low vibrational frequency that fuels disease because it sends that message.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: If you hold on to fear in your field, it does send the message to the body because energy carries information.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: And emotion is just energy carrying information.
33:03
SPEAKER_02: And so it sends that message of fear to your body and it will respond on the chemical level accordingly.
33:09
SPEAKER_02: So you will produce cortisol and pro-inflammatory markers in your body because the body's trying to protect you because you told it that it's in a fearful environment.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: If you are not going, like one of the, you know, if you're not going because you don't want to be exposed to the radiation or you don't want to drink the solution for that specific type of um colon cancer uh test that could cause dysbiosis, you know, in them in the gastrointestinal tract, for example.
33:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, that's a whole different scenario.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: That's a I'm empowered.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: I have knowledge, I have educated myself about these tests.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: I have maybe prayed about it, I've decided that this is not the right um path for me.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: And so I feel empowered to say that's not what I'm going to do.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: That's not out of fear.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Empowerment is different than fear, right?
34:05
SPEAKER_02: It's almost the opposite of fear.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Um you know, and so what I so I would piggyback on top of that though, to check in with yourself, you know, like preventative care in the way that we do it in modern medicine may not be preventative for some people.
34:25
SPEAKER_02: It may be for some, but it might not be for others.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: It may be harmful for others.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, just the like you talked about, the stress of the appointment itself, you know, the stress of waiting for the results itself.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, but we didn't always have that in human history, and humans did better than they're doing today, um, in terms of longevity and living well into the old age.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so yeah, actually, and actually, Joel, I just um listened to a medical doctor who was talking about based on her research, she thinks that humans could easily be living to 120 well, living well to 120.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: But it's things like our consciousness, the story we tell ourselves that are actually causing us to die.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I will piggyback onto that.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: I also check in with myself, like I think probably our ancient ancestors did.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: They were, they seem to have been much more intuitive, much less um not as quick to outsource their power to supposed experts and you know, um fad diets and you know what their friends are doing.
35:32
SPEAKER_02: And they didn't have all that stuff to contend with.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: And so I check in with myself, do I have any quote unquote symptoms, which are the body telling you that there's an imbalance, there's lack of coherent light in that part of the body?
35:43
SPEAKER_02: So do you have symptoms?
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Right?
35:46
SPEAKER_02: If you have some kind of symptom, I'm not saying go get those tests that Western medicine offers, but I'm saying figure it out, pursue it because you have a symptom.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: The body is talking to you and telling you that something is out of balance.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: So I'm not saying ignore that kind of stuff.
36:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm saying you be your expert, listen to the body and ask it what it needs.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: You I don't do the tests, I don't do the physical exams for myself, I don't do the aging test because I don't believe in them, you know, and I don't want to come at it with fear.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: I just depend on what is my body telling me, and um, and I get my guidance from God on how He wants me to proceed.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: Well, I you know, I I can't help but think of what what a difference it was, you know, for me at um at COVID.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, two 2020 comes along and people are just freaking out.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's all over the news.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: You got the I mean, you know how it was in the spring of 2020.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: And I I can tell you, Teresa and I never gave we gave never gave it another thought.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: We did, we didn't expect to get it.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: We didn't, in fact, you know, I said, I said, give it to me now.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm healthy, and you know, um, but we'll give it, give it to me now, you know.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: And of course, then I was vilified, you know.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: Washington Post even did a story on this lunatic farmer that said, give me COVID, you know.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, bring it on, bring it on.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh, that is a very uh positive empowerment attitude versus oh no, I I hope they get a vaccine.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: I hope, I hope they can get me a you know, get me a solution.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh that there was such such a very, very different uh uh approach there.
37:29
SPEAKER_00: And um, I mean we still we still haven't gotten COVID.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: We didn't, and we just of course I keep drinking out of a I had friends here, had drinking out of the stock tank.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: I had friends here, friends here over the weekend, young uh uh actually a professional athlete.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: And uh we were up on top of the mountain, and there's a spring up there, and um he had never he'd never seen spring water.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: And um, so we're looking at it, and um, you know, the water's running down through, and it's got little, you know, bugs skittering off, you know, on it.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's it's you know, it's not a it's not a great big spring, but it's definitely makes a little stream that you can step across.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: And um he said, You can can you drink that water?
38:11
SPEAKER_00: I said, Oh, absolutely.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: I said it's wonderful water.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: So I I jumped down quick, you know, and just slurped up and drank.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know if I got any bugs or not, but he was he was so intrigued by that.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: And there were about about uh five of us there in the group, and and um he next thing I knew here he was down, you know, alongside and he was drinking out of it.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: And uh, wow, that really tastes good.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, if you've never tasted that, I call it living water.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's it's the real, you know, it's it's act it's um well, it it's coming out of the mountain.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: Um it is not sterile, it is but it it is wonderful, wonderful water.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: And um so he actually had a little you know plastic bottle of bottled water that he brought that it was empty.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: So he put that down, filled it up.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: He drank that the rest of the day, and and I saw him the next day, and he was still healthy.
39:05
SPEAKER_00: So I guess you didn't make him sick.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: No, see, listen, Cena.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: I I I I I was telling him about you know the microbiome and stuff, and he uh here he is, you know, college educated, sharp young man, he's you know, 28 something.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: He said, What is the microbiome?
39:23
SPEAKER_00: I've never heard of that before.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: And so I explained, you know, as best I could the mic, but I'm thinking, man, oh man, are we still that?
39:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the world you and I live in, I mean, microbiome is like is like, you know, uh it's old news.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: I know, I know, and and and yet, you know, I'm convinced we've got a lot of people in this country, yeah, don't have a clue.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: Their doctor doesn't tell them about the microbiome.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: The schools don't tell them about the microbiome.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: And and they just the and so anyway, it was it was a bit of a wake-up call for me to realize, man, I I I live in a a strange, you know, a little um uh a silo niche, you know, uh culture that that um is that big.
40:15
SPEAKER_00: All right.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: Look, well, we we got off on a rabbit trail here.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: So I'm sorry, I got I got you distracted, but let's let's go on with this.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: Where what are you what are you finding?
40:24
SPEAKER_02: Let's let's Yeah, no, that's great.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, if so if if people aren't learning about the microbiome, they certainly aren't learning about what what we're talking about today.
40:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so so let me write it back into food.
40:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, so there are food companies that are already using uh light as a detection to measure food quality.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: They're using biophoton detection.
40:51
SPEAKER_02: So um, and that's because coherent, um the more coherent light a food emits, what they're finding is the more nutrient dense it is, the fresher it is, and the more vitality it carries.
41:03
SPEAKER_02: They've shown that uh the amount of light emitted is tightly coupled to the physiological state of the plant.
41:11
SPEAKER_02: That means they've they've been able to use light to determine the vitamin level, the amount of enzymes, the antioxidant level, fat and protein content.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: And also they can use light to detect contaminants uh like adulterants or what they would call parasites or pesticides, and also spoilage.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: So if you think about it in the future, using light emission uh might become a new objective criterion for determining the quality and freshness of food products.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: And it's basically just measuring the flow of energy that's going through that product.
41:52
SPEAKER_02: Um so I can actually envision us not too far off in the future, Joel, standing in the grocery store with a little device, or maybe it's on our phone, and we're scanning pieces of produce for its light signature.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: And it might become as common as scanning barcodes, you know, um, which would be fantastic.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, go ahead.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is what the the Bionutrient Food Association has done, uh Dan Kittredge.
42:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that that's their that's their whole theme, is uh is to create a handheld device that you can wand, you know, wand food and measure.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is this is how we know what's in the you know what's in the stars and different things is is you you measure the light and and you know all the different uh whatever elements give off a different wavelength of light.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: And so here we can, you know, we can measure what's in a star.
42:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, we can certainly measure what's in a squash.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: Yes, you know, uh and so does Dan use is he using light in his handheld device?
42:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes, is he measuring light emission from it?
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
42:59
SPEAKER_00: They're there's cool.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: We should do you think he'd come on the show and talk more about that and what he's finding?
43:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure he would.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure he would.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: Because that would be fascinating.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, because also, you know, think about like when we have like E.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: coli outbreaks, for instance, or salmonella outbreaks of these quote unquote pathogens that are on the food.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: Imagine if you could just go into the lettuce section and scan it and see if there's an imbalance of those microbes on it, right?
43:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, the last time I was in Great Britain doing seminars, one of the other speakers at the last seminar that I did there was from the uh uh British um meat meat inspection service.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: And he was telling us his presentation was about an experiment they were trying to use where all pathogens emit um emit frequencies, like, like a imagine a radio dial.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: So you You can dial over.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is E.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: coli.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Dial over a little bit, and that's Campylobacter.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: Dial over that's Salmonella, you know.
44:08
SPEAKER_00: And and so what they're what at that time they were, and I haven't been back since COVID, but uh this was pre-COVID, but um w we call this BC before COVID, BC.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, he he said that what they were what they were doing was um trying to get rid of, you know, in America, we have all these inspectors all over these plants that we have to pay for uh that are that do the what's called poke and sniff, you know, poke and sniff.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: So what they were trying to do was um use um light in in the infrared spectrum, and the the the the beef carcass, for example, would go by a series of cameras in the infrared spectrum, and and they would show up salmonella, E.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: coli, listeria, they uh on the carcass, and that eliminated a physical inspector having to stand there and look at these things because you can't see it anyway.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: You can't see the E.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: coli or salmonella, but with the infrared, if there was a little bit of manure or or something on that carcass, you could the camera was would pick it up in the UV spectrum, and you could wash off that part and and clean it up.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: And they were already doing this in Great Britain, you know, back six or seven years ago.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: And um, and so that this this frequency, especially in the UV uh spectrum, you know, it's been around a while.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's how insects um you know communicate.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, good good plants, good plants emit emit um light in the infrared spectrum.
45:57
SPEAKER_00: Healthy plants emit scrambled light, and I mean healthy plants emit coherent light and and unhealthy emit scrambled, and that's what attracts the bugs to them to uh to take them out.
46:12
SPEAKER_02: They're attracted to that scrambled light?
46:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
46:15
unknown: Yeah.
46:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this was this was shown by where's the um I'm looking for the book here on the shelf.
46:25
SPEAKER_00: Where is it?
46:26
SPEAKER_02: Um I have good eyesight, but I can't see that far.
46:35
SPEAKER_02: Here it is, here it is.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: Tuning into nature by uh Philip Phil Callahan, solar energy, infrared radiation, and the insect communication system.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: And um he goes into all the all the amazing um the the amazing frequencies that are emitted on on insect antenna and and plant um stomata.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: Pretty pretty fascinating.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: And when was that book?
47:14
SPEAKER_02: When was that published?
47:19
SPEAKER_00: That was published in 1975.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that was the year I was born.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're such a young thing.
47:29
SPEAKER_02: No, but that's cool, and um, I would like uh it noted that Joel was already exploring what some would call woo-woo stuff before I came along.
47:42
SPEAKER_02: So now there's proof.
47:45
SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't even know that, what you just talked about.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, you know, uh Dan Kittridge at uh at um Bionutrient Food Association, he thinks, and what you've said tends to confirm it, he he thinks that if if if they can actually create and manufacture a device like this that measures the light energy of food, um imagine that would that would literally eliminate all or could all of the certifications.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because it could detect the paperwork.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well you don't need all the paperwork.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it the the proof's in the pudding, you know, and and and so and so what they're trying to do is determine what is good, average, bad, you know, and um they they've already but now that they've been measuring what they're trying to do is they're trying to calibrate the light to the nutrients.
48:48
SPEAKER_00: So this is yeah, this is this is um they're looking at 150 150 nutrients and then trying to correlate that with the light so that you so that you actually have a um uh a measurement, but it takes it takes a lot of data to know, well, what does that light frequency mean?
49:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, what's what's a good one, what's a bad one.
49:12
SPEAKER_00: And you know, what they found is that like you go to the you you eat you eat the bet like they've tested carrots, for example, and if you um get the best carrot in one carrot, you get the equivalent of like 70 of the worst carrots.
49:31
SPEAKER_00: So you have to eat worst carrots to get the nutrition of the best carrot.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, if you if you if if you actually had an index, you know, that that here's the here's the um the the reading on the good carrots, and you could just go to a farmer's market or a grocery store or whatever, and you could just wand these things.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean imagine power.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: You talk about consumer power and and and and a scramble for compost and away from chemicals, trust me, it'd be the biggest scramble toward compost of anything you've ever seen.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: That's that is such um in an empowering and exciting pathway because a lot of us instead of like you know, it's like seeing is believing.
50:20
SPEAKER_02: It's and we're kind of the backwards now is the believing is seeing.
50:24
SPEAKER_02: Now it's seeing is believing.
50:25
SPEAKER_02: And so when you walk into that grocery store, like we said, the organic carrots look like the conventional carrots.
50:31
SPEAKER_02: The organic lettuce looks like the conventional lettuce.
50:33
SPEAKER_02: And so if a mom could go and scan it and see, woo, this one shines up with glyphosate and you know, whatever, chloromaquat, like you know, I mean, and then it pops up next to that and says, This has been associated with all these conditions, like that is so empowering.
50:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, when he spoke, I had him speak at our uh Stopman grass farmer gathering uh last last summer here, last fall, and um it was fascinating.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: He said that in there they they've done carrots, broccoli, and now they're working on beef.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: And um and he said when they when they did the carrots and broccoli, one of the things they found was that the the top ones were not organic, organic certified.
51:23
SPEAKER_02: You mean top in terms of nutrient micronutrient content?
51:26
SPEAKER_00: The top in turn in terms of nutrients were not organic certified.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: And and you you could you could feel the the air suck in, you know, through the audience.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: Um he says some of the some of the very best ones were at Walmart.
51:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, all right, he has got to come on and talk to us.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: So imagine how that would upset the food apple cart if we actually found out that it it wasn't as simple as we thought, or you know, it wasn't uh it's it's not just uh I love that because nothing is as simple as we think when it comes to there's so much at play here.
52:07
SPEAKER_02: And uh yeah, my first thought was well, he's not gonna get any funding then from those from that those industries, but maybe Walmart will fund him and get him on everybody's phones.
52:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but yeah, so we let's definitely have him on the show, but let's go on so I can finish this because I don't want it to spill over into another podcast.
52:24
SPEAKER_02: Like I don't know how much light topics our our our listeners can handle.
52:30
SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's wrap up on the we don't we don't want to we don't want to ex overexpose this topic.
52:41
SPEAKER_02: I can tell someone has a lot of coherent light running through their body right now.
52:45
SPEAKER_02: You're quick.
52:48
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's wrap up the agriculture part.
52:51
SPEAKER_02: So uh so we already know you can use the biophoton emission of plants to determine if they have a mechanical wound.
52:59
SPEAKER_02: If there were things like elevated salt concentrations that they were exposed to, if there is drought, or if there's pathogens on them.
53:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, you can use light to actually test seeds for their um their ability, their germinative ability or potential to grow, and also to test for their vigor, which is the post-um-germination performance potential.
53:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, people actually think that, well, some scientists are actually thinking that there's this photon signaling that plays a key role in the actual development, the growth of the seed.
53:32
SPEAKER_02: And the fact that it's underground might enable the plant's roots to kind of exploit those biophotons to relay information from the environment back to the seed.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: So information like soil humidity and temperature and oxygen.
53:49
SPEAKER_02: And so they're thinking that this information that they can gather through the biophoton emission could inform the seed on seasonal patterns and allow that seed to select the most favorable window of germination for it.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, I kind of liken it to echolocation, you know, where like bats and stuff will um emit a sound and then it bounces back to it comes back to them and they can determine location of objects and help them navigate their environment even when they're in the dark.
54:20
SPEAKER_02: And so this sounds something something that's similar that plants are able to do uh with these biophotons.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: So you know it's interesting, Cena, that all seeds need a flash of light in order to germinate.
54:36
SPEAKER_00: So, for example, um in tillage, which you know, we're not big on tillage, but in one of the one of the whatever problems that people don't talk about too much with tillage is that it only takes one so you've got you know you've got seeds buried in the soil, and and you know, they've been there.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: It only takes one millionth of a second of light, one millionth of a second of light for a buried seed to germinate.
55:07
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
55:09
SPEAKER_00: And so and so disturbance, disturbance actually, um, a lot of times stimulates weeds because you're exposing these buried seeds to a millionth of a second of light.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: They wouldn't sprout otherwise, but because they've had a millionth of a second of light exposure, now they'll sprout.
55:37
SPEAKER_02: That's fascinating.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: So now what if I so let's say I get seeds, um, like I buy seeds and they come in an envelope, and then I'm gonna go plant the seed.
55:46
SPEAKER_02: Now it's under the ground.
55:47
SPEAKER_02: Did it have enough light exposure?
55:49
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, yeah, it was it was in your house, so you took it out to the garden.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it had plenty of light exposure, plenty of light.
55:58
SPEAKER_02: That is so fascinating, and that fits right into what we're talking about with the power.
56:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh light is some kind of an initiating signaling.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: Yes, you know, but that that's amazing.
56:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so now be so I don't want to run out of time.
56:11
SPEAKER_02: Let's jump into DNA.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, and we're gonna I'm gonna pontificate.
56:15
SPEAKER_02: And then um I'd love to talk about how our light, how we this is kind of cool, Joel, how we suck each other's photons.
56:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: So, okay.
56:30
SPEAKER_02: So so it so according to some researchers that are that are studying this field, the there's a lot of biophotons um coming out of what what we're gonna call DNA.
56:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
56:44
SPEAKER_02: So I don't want to get hung up on the name DNA because we are beyond labels here.
56:49
SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna say DNA because that's what is mainstream people are familiar with, but really it could just be any of the components, like the nucleotides, the building blocks that make up the DNA.
57:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we could just be talking about building blocks here and not the full double helix of a DNA.
57:10
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so lots of light.
57:12
SPEAKER_02: Some estimate about 75% of the biophoton activity comes from this DNA.
57:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, I will add as a caveat, it ultimately comes from the field.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but I'm talking about the light in that's inside the body, that there's a lot of biophoton activity coming from the DNA.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: What they have found is that as the DNA um unravels itself, light is actually emitted from it.
57:36
SPEAKER_02: And in experiments, the more it actually unwound, the stronger the intensity of the light.
57:42
SPEAKER_02: They also found out that DNA can send out a wide range of frequencies of light.
57:48
SPEAKER_02: And those seem to be linked to certain functions in the body.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: So, which is kind of cool.
57:54
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like the sun, right?
57:56
SPEAKER_02: It it it seems almost like an internal sun where the sun gives off all these different wavelengths of light, and so does um the DNA.
58:06
SPEAKER_02: So this also led to the hypothesis that maybe DNA can store light.
58:13
SPEAKER_02: And Dr.
58:14
SPEAKER_02: Pop viewed DNA as a master tuning fork of the body.
58:19
SPEAKER_02: So if it's if it strikes a certain frequency, certain molecules would follow that frequency.
58:26
SPEAKER_02: He thought this could potentially explain how a single cell turns into a fully formed human, for example.
58:34
SPEAKER_02: So so the DNA, in his view, is a master tuning fork, and it can do that because it emits all these different wavelengths of light.
58:44
SPEAKER_02: And you're gonna love this, Joel.
58:46
SPEAKER_02: Remember junk DNA?
58:49
SPEAKER_02: This was the the huge, the vast majority of DNA that was referred to as the non-coding region that wasn't involved in protein synthesis, and the scientists called it junk because we didn't know what it did.
59:02
SPEAKER_02: And they said that it was probably leftover genetic debris because the body's so inefficient and everything, it just creates debris.
59:12
SPEAKER_02: So now more recent research is suggesting that the junk DNA is emitting light as biophotons.
59:21
SPEAKER_02: So this DNA that was discarded, uh thought to be just debris, is potentially directing all cellular processes in the body.
59:32
SPEAKER_02: So what I think is happening, and there's there's literature to support this, is that DNA, whatever you want to call it, these building blocks in the body are serving as an antenna.
59:44
SPEAKER_02: And they're they're harnessing light from outside of your body, but also from inside, these biophotons produced inside of the body.
59:52
SPEAKER_02: They they they are an antenna that collects it and they can store that light, and then they can divvy it out to coordinate communication, to repair the body, for instance.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_02: And um if you go back to the experiments that Pop did where he shined the UV light through the carcinogenic compounds, and he found that there's basically in two molecules that looked identical in terms of their chemical um makeup, there was an optical difference between them, um, even though they have the same composition.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: It's possible that the the structure of DNA will determine what type of light is being emitted.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_02: So it will determine the wavelength and it will determine the coherence.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_02: And so this may be some middle ground we're talking about when um, you know, when some people are saying, oh, your genes control your destiny, or you have these genetic markers that we're looking at.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_02: So it could be that the way that those building blocks are connected together could be what's actually changing the coherence and dictating a specific wavelength of light that's causing the downstream physical effect.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_02: So um, but but that's kind of a rabbit hole.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_02: We can't get into that.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, in in addition to DNA, there are other structures in your body that can also serve as detectors of light, like so they can receive the light and they can actually um re-edmit the light out to help coordinate and communicate messages in the body as well.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: Some of these we talked about in the last podcast, which was NADH, uh, which is uh, I talked about NADH and FAD, uh, which are electron carriers.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_02: And then we also talked about the electron transport chain, which is in the mitochondria.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_02: And that's the big to-do when you talk about mitochondrial dysfunction.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_02: They're in large part talking about this electron transport chain, which literally transports electrons down it.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, and they say that it takes the, you're basically taking oxygen and you're turning that in you're you're creating ATP.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, but as we talked about, those electrons are actually um capturing light.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so they also are able to store light and emit light.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_02: Now there's another structure in our body that can do this, and these are the aromatic amino acids.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_02: So the ones like tryptophan and tyrosine that have rings, they can absorb light and emit them.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_02: Here's the cool part they exist in high density in what are called microtubule uh cytoskeletons.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_02: Have you heard of these?
1:02:40
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_00: That was on no, it was not on my reading list yesterday.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that was on my weekend reading list.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_02: So okay, so I don't want to lose people here, but so I'm just really in simple terms.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_02: We have these microtubules, and we think they give the cells their shape, you know, like they kind of form scaffolding structures.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I don't want to just say cells because we do know that not every tissue has cells, and so they they give um structures in our body shape, okay.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_02: They also act as little tiny roads that can help move things around inside cells and inside the body.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_02: They also help um to divide cells, okay.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_02: Um, but now these microtubules are getting a second look by scientists because they think that they help light travel.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_02: So they're in nerves, they're part of the nerve structure, and they think these are potentially the tubes that help that can help nerves um, you know, uh that can help light travel to the nerves and through the nerves.
1:03:49
SPEAKER_02: And some scientists are actually saying that these microtubules, because they can channel light and they can guide light throughout the body, may be one of the architects of our consciousness.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_02: They live near mitochondria.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_02: So we know that the mitochondria can produce biophotons, they're a main source of them, and we know they can emit biophotons.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_02: And they believe that the microbial tubules might actually be absorbing the light from the mitochondria and channeling it across larger distances in the body.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_02: So it's like a fiber optic highway in your body that's created by God.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_02: And the micro mitochondria themselves may actually work like um almost like cell towers communicating at long distance between each other.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_02: So as I'm learning this, Joel, I started to question some of the basic physiological principles that I was taught in school.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_02: Because as you know, my undergrad degree is neurobiology, physiology, and behavior.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_02: So I'm learning all this, and I'm thinking, well, that I learned in school was wrong, and that was wrong, and like what was right?
1:05:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_02: So I started to this is what I started to think.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_02: What if the goal of eating, the goal of breathing, the goal of your heart beating is all to produce and consume light?
1:05:20
SPEAKER_02: So I'm just gonna quickly pontificate here.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_02: Why do we need to breathe?
1:05:26
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:05:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh Joel, why does why does modern science tell us that we breathe?
1:05:31
SPEAKER_02: What's the purpose?
1:05:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh to get oxygen.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_02: To get oxygen.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_02: So why does the heart need to beat?
1:05:40
SPEAKER_02: What is it doing?
1:05:42
SPEAKER_00: To pump your blood around.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_02: Yes, it transports oxygen in the blood.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_02: It trans they say it transports other things like nutrients, but let's stick to oxygen.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_02: So it transports oxygen around the body.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_02: Why do we need oxygen?
1:05:57
SPEAKER_02: What do we do with it?
1:06:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_00: I guess we use it.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes, we use it to produce energy.
1:06:07
SPEAKER_02: But what type of energy they will say is to produce ATP right through the electron transport chain.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_02: That's why we call it aerobic metabolism with oxygen.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_02: There's anaerobic metabolism, which is fermentation, but there's aerobic metabolism, metabolism that requires oxygen.
1:06:26
SPEAKER_02: So you breathe to get oxygen, your heart beats to pump that oxygen to different tissues, and the tissues use the oxygen to produce energy, and they say it's ATP.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_02: But when we produce ATB, we also produce free radicals.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_02: And they produce and emit light.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_02: So let me just walk you through that real fast.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_02: Oxygen itself is involved in producing light.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_02: Photons are emitted, as I already discussed, during aerobic metabolism.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_02: So metabolism that requires oxygen.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_02: When you are have when you have metabolism, aerobic metabolism going on in your body in the mitochondria, you produce reactive oxygen species.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_02: Now, most people have heard of reactive oxygen species and they've heard them in a negative light.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_02: Like they're a bad thing because if you get too many of them, it causes oxidative stress, which is a culprit for disease.
1:07:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_02: But we know that you need some free radicals.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_02: It's actually a balance of them that you need in your body.
1:07:41
SPEAKER_02: They are important for functions in the body like communication, like defense against aging and overgrowths of microbes in your body.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_02: Now we're learning that the free radicals also form light.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_02: They are high energy.
1:07:58
SPEAKER_02: This is one reason why they can be so destructive, is because they're high energy.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_02: They have this electron sitting there.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_02: And when they when the free radicals are broken down, those electrons are returned to a lower state, a lower orbital, and they emit light.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_02: This process of free radicals being formed and creating light happens all the time as part of your body generating energy through mitochondrial respiration, even through glycolysis.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_02: And in the plant, this happens during photosynthesis.
1:08:36
SPEAKER_02: So we all do this on a regular basis.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_02: And that means the free radicals are all producing light for us.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_02: So we breathe in oxygen, our hearts beat to move that oxygen to our tissues.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_02: And I contend that it's so that we generate light is not ultimately the end game isn't to produce that ATP.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_02: The end game is actually to produce light.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_02: So okay, so are you with me on that point?
1:09:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm with you.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_02: So I think that the fact that we were taught in chemistry class that these biophotons that are emitted as electrons jump down to lower states, I think this is all wrong.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_02: I think how we are taught that ATP is this end product and it catalyzes all these reactions in the body, I think that's wrong.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna give you another example.
1:09:35
SPEAKER_02: So we talked about uh myofascia before.
1:09:39
SPEAKER_02: And um, so connective tissue.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_02: Modern science views connective tissue as basically this physical thing that holds tissues together and helps the body be more flexible, right?
1:09:50
SPEAKER_02: So it has a physical mechanical role.
1:09:53
SPEAKER_02: That's pretty much as far as we go with connective tissue.
1:09:58
SPEAKER_02: But now science is learning that your fascia is its own fiber optic network that transmits light throughout your entire body.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_02: There is a um uh a study in from 2023.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna love the title of this of this journal, Joel.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_02: It's called the Journal of Complexity in Health Science.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_02: So it had this really complex study in it, um, detailing all these things and going into the quantum and um electron tunneling and whatnot.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_02: So I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna bore you with all that, but it did conclude that connective tissue quote plays a fundamental role in the transport of electromagnetic energy.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_02: It's transporting light.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_02: So remember when I asked that question of when you contract your muscle, how do those cells, how do those actin myosin fibers coordinate in a rhythmic and like instantaneous manner?
1:10:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, they do it through light.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_02: The muscle cells are like tiny biophoton or light factories generating large amounts of light.
1:11:07
SPEAKER_02: And what these studies are showing is that they produce this light and there's this connective tissue framework that's actually in the muscle fibers and it goes throughout the whole body.
1:11:17
SPEAKER_02: Your connective tissue is actually all connected together.
1:11:20
SPEAKER_02: It could it forms this single myofascial system throughout the whole body.
1:11:25
SPEAKER_02: So doesn't it seem logical that it could be used to actually transport light as this like highway, if you will, throughout the entire body to send messages from one part of the body to the next.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_02: So so much for you know, um breaking down the body into individual mechanical parts that each part works separately, they are all connected.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_02: And one way they're connected is through the connective tissue or this myofascial system.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_02: So that means when light is generated in the muscle, it can be distributed throughout your entire body by traveling along that highway.
1:12:01
SPEAKER_02: You know, Joel, I started thinking about it.
1:12:03
SPEAKER_02: This may actually explain one reason why exercise um can improve your health.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, my minor was exercise physiology.
1:12:13
SPEAKER_02: So I've always been interested in this field.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, we know that when you weight train, for example, your muscle cells will make more of this actin and myosin, those filaments, leading to muscle growth and increased strength.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_02: But it's plausible that the more you have of those actin filaments, which form like these crystalline-like structure, um, and the more densely organized they are, the greater volume and coherent light emission you can have.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_02: And um, your connective tissue also builds when you exercise, it becomes stronger and denser.
1:12:47
SPEAKER_02: So it could act to kind of fine-tune this light orchestra that's inside of you, bringing more coherence.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh mitochondrial number, especially with aerobic exercise, also increases in muscle cells, we can enhance which can enhance your light network.
1:13:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, so this isn't this has not been proven yet.
1:13:06
SPEAKER_02: I'm pontificating here, but it offers a different angle on how exercise could actually bolster health by literally pumping up your body's internal light network, you know?
1:13:19
SPEAKER_02: So, did you want to jump in?
1:13:20
SPEAKER_00: Or that's that's fascinating.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so then that's why I said remember, I was telling you like the whole future of nutrition and health, and I think agriculture is tied to light because every single um organ, every dis ease I could find, I can find stuff on light that is connected to light is that common denominator.
1:13:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so do we have time to do the last part, or do you want me to just save that for later?
1:13:47
SPEAKER_00: Are we over?
1:13:48
SPEAKER_00: No, we're we're over by about 10 minutes, but um okay, then that's okay.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_02: Let's save uh it will be like um a trailer now to um so so uh later, let's talk about how we affect each other, how we suck each other's photons, and what this means for herbals and homeopathy.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_02: So we'll so there's my cliffhanger.
1:14:13
SPEAKER_02: We'll keep you know on the edge of your seat, coming back for more about that.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's fair enough.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, uh that's a that's a fascinating um uh fascinating research discussion.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're this this is this is cutting edge stuff, and no doubt, Cena, this is the kind of thing that's in some of these really uh edgy, edgy clinics that we're you know that we're seeing now uh sprout up around the country because this creates a whole new a whole new therapy and well just a way to look at just a way to look at disease.
1:14:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, when when you look at it as not an invasive pathogen, it is an it as it is um an enabled dysbiosis that is largely driven by our consciousness.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's exactly right.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_00: That's a completely different way of looking at these things.
1:15:25
SPEAKER_00: Which which means which means if we as we age, if we don't sit around and I hope I don't get sick, well, I hope I don't get this, well I hope I don't get that.
1:15:36
SPEAKER_00: We're we're we're we're broadcasting into our inner selves uh this the very thing that we don't want to get.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly right.
1:15:52
SPEAKER_02: Can I add just one quick thing?
1:15:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this this ties into a previous podcast we did where do you remember me quoting studies from big name universities that showed that you can actually build your skeletal muscle?
1:16:08
SPEAKER_02: So you can like build your bicep muscle, for instance, not by lifting a weight, but by actually um visualizing it in your mind.
1:16:17
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember that episode?
1:16:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
1:16:20
SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's your consciousness at work.
1:16:22
SPEAKER_02: You actually moved matter by what you thought.
1:16:27
SPEAKER_02: So you visualize lifting the weight, and the body responds accordingly, just through your thought.
1:16:34
SPEAKER_02: So that's why I'm saying like this is the most powerful tool you have in your toolkit.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_02: This is why a lot of times people will try to heal their uh dysbiosis in their microbiome using like they'll buy supplemental probiotics or whatnot.
1:16:49
SPEAKER_02: But like you're saying, if you still have the same thoughts, if you still have like the same negative thoughts going on, the same fear-based thoughts going on, you may um on the short term change the composition of the microbiome, but it will ultimately go back because your blueprint for creating your body is harnessed in that negative thinking.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:17:11
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:17:12
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_00: So I think we need to we need to uh close this out.
1:17:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's been it's been really, really interesting.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_00: I hope um I hope our folks have appreciated how much this can alter the way we the way we view food, the way we view our bodies, the way we view, you know, our uh our own um attitudes.
1:17:39
SPEAKER_00: And so I guess my question to our uh listeners for our community today is um if you were to put your your um uh you know, I want to say attitude, but it it your outlook.
1:18:01
SPEAKER_00: If you could put your outlook on a spectrum, you know, one one being Eeyore, uh nothing's gonna turn out all right, and ten being, you know, completely um um trouble, trouble and uh worry free.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_00: Where do you think you are on that spectrum?
1:18:24
SPEAKER_00: And if you're not over five, uh, what can you do to move it above five?
1:18:34
SPEAKER_00: This is this is where we're going to this kind of self, you know, we you we talk about listening to our bodies for you know for for prognoses of things.
1:18:46
SPEAKER_00: Um I think sometimes we get done with this, Cena, and and I think that our our biggest body check is not a physical body check, it's a mental body check.
1:18:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:18:57
SPEAKER_00: Where are we on the on the mental on the mental spectrum?
1:19:01
SPEAKER_00: Who are we?
1:19:01
SPEAKER_00: I I just um I actually just preached Sunday at our church.
1:19:05
SPEAKER_00: I was the um had uh a pastor wanted me to stand in, and so I did, and uh um I I did it on uh on Achan, who you know stole the the money, the gold and silver at Jericho when Jericho collapsed.
1:19:22
SPEAKER_00: God spoke, Jer took Jericho.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, these were the Israelites.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_00: They they were they were heading into the promised land, they'd crossed the Jordan.
1:19:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we could say that's a type of salvation, and so they were, you know, they were in God's plan.
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SPEAKER_00: They were, you know, they were heading the right direction, they were into the promised land.
1:19:36
SPEAKER_00: Here's Jericho.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_00: And uh and this guy, this guy um takes uh and and God told him, he said, don't take anything.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_00: He said that was the only city that they couldn't take any spoils.
1:19:49
SPEAKER_00: The rest of the cities, they could take spoils, they could take gold and silver, and they could take you know, animals to eat and different things.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_00: But Jericho, that first one, was was holy.
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SPEAKER_00: He said, I I want this, I'm doing this, I want all this.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_00: And uh, and Aiken took took that, and then of course, you know, he he uh ended up causing them to lose it at AI, the next town, and then they discovered it and then they stoned him, and everything was okay.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_00: But um, but what I wanted to examine was what what was it?
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SPEAKER_00: What was Aiken's deal?
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SPEAKER_00: What was his problem?
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SPEAKER_00: And his problem was that he wasn't willing to let go of what God had control of.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_00: God took Jericho, Jer Jericho, and so my question in the sermon was well, what's your Jericho?
1:20:43
SPEAKER_00: Is your Jericho an abusive uh abusive parent situation, a whatever, uh a delinquent, wayward child, a a terrible ex, you know, uh injustice, uh, unfairness at work.
1:20:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, there's there's a million Jerichos uh that we can have, but then do we give it up?
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SPEAKER_00: Do we hang on to it with vengeance and anger and frustration and and and and self-pity and all these things?
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SPEAKER_00: Are we willing to give that over and give it up so we can get on to the promised land?
1:21:17
SPEAKER_02: Wow, that's so beautiful.
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SPEAKER_02: I I'm over here and I'm like, I want to give it all up.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I want the promised land.
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SPEAKER_00: And and so so on the spectrum of one to ten, I think I think the self-evaluation is good.
1:21:31
SPEAKER_00: You know, do do I have do I have some of this gold, silver, and this Babylonish garment that I have I have taken from what you know, from what I don't have control over and shouldn't.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_00: But am I am I holding on to it, uh, reminiscing over it, you know, um, you know, fondling it and uh, you know, and and and and keeping it for myself because I'm not willing I'm not willing to uh let it go.
1:22:02
SPEAKER_00: Um great, great, uh, great, great information, Cena.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_00: Good.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_00: And um that that question.
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SPEAKER_00: So the question one to ten, uh one being an Eeyore, everything's gonna be terrible, ten being uh no no care at all, where are you on that spectrum?
1:22:17
SPEAKER_00: And uh and and do and and take some time to do some some evaluation where you are and realizing that that your your think about a flashlight, your your light, your light beam is a direct um is a direct application of where you are on that one to ten spectrum.
1:22:39
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for being with us on another Beyond Labels podcast.
1:22:43
SPEAKER_00: Sorry we went a little long, but uh hope this has been as interesting to you as it was to me.
1:22:48
SPEAKER_00: I think we've all learned something and and been challenged and encouraged both uh in this.
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SPEAKER_00: So thanks for being with us, and we look forward to being with you again next week on Beyond Labels.