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Audrii, 11, Dead in River, MOM SPEAKS OUT: Perp Naked in Court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: In the last hours, the freak that police say attacked,
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  Speaker 2: murdered and I believe molested a little eleven year old girl,
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  Speaker 2: Audrey Cunningham refuses to put on a pair of pants
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  Speaker 2: to appear in front of the judge.
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  Speaker 3: So if he's going to act like that to a
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  Speaker 3: judge with.
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  Speaker 2: Complete disdain and disrespect, how do you think he treated
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  Speaker 2: an eleven year old little girl behind closed doors? This
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  Speaker 2: guy had full access to the home of an eleven
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  Speaker 2: one year old girl, a guy with a very lengthy
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  Speaker 2: rap sheet including boy, this is like putting perfume on
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  Speaker 2: the pig enticing a child another little girl. He got
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  Speaker 2: into bed with her and wrestled off her underwear in pjs.
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  Speaker 2: He had access to her home too, and now Audrey
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  Speaker 2: is dead.
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  Speaker 4: This guy, in the last hours.
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  Speaker 3: We learned, will not even put on his clothes.
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  Speaker 2: To come before a judge. This as we also learn man,
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  Speaker 2: this guy is he should win the oscar because he
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  Speaker 2: managed to put on quite the show, going door to door,
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  Speaker 2: knocking on doors saying have you seen Audrey.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking for Audrey.
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  Speaker 2: Knowing full well, according to police, that he had murdered
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  Speaker 2: her by blunt force trauma to her head, her pants
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  Speaker 2: found far away from her body at the river's edge,
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  Speaker 2: her body tied to a rock by a rope, and
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  Speaker 2: according to Tim Miller from Equa Search, her body was
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  Speaker 2: caught in an eddy, just swirling round and round and
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  Speaker 2: round and round. Yeah him, I Nancy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories and on Serious XEM one eleven before I
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  Speaker 2: address McDougall, butt naked, wearing nothing but all of his
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  Speaker 2: hate tattoos. To go in front of a judge like
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  Speaker 2: that and they try to get him to get dressed,
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  Speaker 2: he won't do it. That said, before I get to
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  Speaker 2: a naked McDougall going door to door, Hey, have you
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  Speaker 2: seen Audrey knowing all the while he killed her? Before
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: we get into that, Liz, please turn on Audrey's mom,
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  Speaker 2: Miss Matthews, sound so she can hear me. Now joining
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  Speaker 2: me right now is Audrey's mother. There's been a lot
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  Speaker 2: of speculation about her, A lot of mean things have
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  Speaker 2: been said about her online. I want you to meet
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  Speaker 2: Cassie Matthew's Ms Matthews. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am, I just I want to do everything that
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  Speaker 5: I can for my baby.
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  Speaker 2: Miss Matthews. Everyone's joining me is Cassie Matthews. This is
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  Speaker 2: little Audrey Cunningham's mother. Audrey eleven years old when she
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  Speaker 2: was killed. Audrey, when I look at her, Miss Cassie
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  Speaker 2: is just so full of joy and life. I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at a picture of her now with a little white
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  Speaker 2: T shirt on with the blue sun dress over it,
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  Speaker 2: and now she's got on a little black T shirt
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  Speaker 2: and looks like a little pocketbook strapped over her shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: She's just so precious, looked so well taken care of.
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  Speaker 2: How in the hay do you believe this happened, Miss Matthews.
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand how it happened at all.
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  Speaker 6: I don't understand how they put so much effort into
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  Speaker 6: keeping her from me, but they couldn't put the same
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  Speaker 6: effort into knowing the people that they had around her.
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  Speaker 2: Miss Matthews. What happened when you discovered that Audrey was missing?
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  Speaker 2: How did you find that out? Or did you know
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  Speaker 2: that before you found out that she had been killed?
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  Speaker 5: So it was Thursday evening. I'm going to say it
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  Speaker 5: was like seven o'clock.
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  Speaker 6: Tabitha herself had gone and contacted or went to the
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  Speaker 6: home of my fiance's mother and was asking her if
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  Speaker 6: she knew where we were, if we were there and
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  Speaker 6: had said Audrey was missing. Now his mother instantly calls him,
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  Speaker 6: of course, and she she she makes her get on
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  Speaker 6: the phone with me, and she's telling me that she's
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  Speaker 6: missing and asking me if I had seen her, And
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  Speaker 6: of course I no, I haven't seen her. I honestly
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  Speaker 6: wanted to ask her if it was a sick joke,
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  Speaker 6: but I I didn't. And I'm used to a lot
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  Speaker 6: of crazy things from that family. So so when she
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  Speaker 6: said no, she's she's missing.
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  Speaker 4: Did they call you immediately?
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  Speaker 6: Of course, my fiance's mom called him instantly, and she
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  Speaker 6: told him that I needed to be on the phone asap,
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  Speaker 6: and then she put Tabitha on the phone and made
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  Speaker 6: her talk to me.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't she want I mean, I would think she
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  Speaker 2: would have called you first, had they been blocking you
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  Speaker 2: seeing Audrey.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't had any type of contact.
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  Speaker 6: I had the last bit of contact that I had
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  Speaker 6: with Josh where I was once again begging to see
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  Speaker 6: my daughter in any way that made him or her comfortable.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever I needed to do, I had to do that
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  Speaker 6: through my fiance's messenger.
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  Speaker 3: Why were they keeping you away from Audrey?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: They said it was for her protection, but I still
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  Speaker 6: don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: So the grandma shows up your fiance's mom's place.
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  Speaker 4: Looking for Audrey.
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  Speaker 2: Then your fiance's mom has her call you, and.
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  Speaker 4: What did she say?
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  Speaker 6: She tells me that she's missing. She didn't make it
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  Speaker 6: home off the bus. Asked me if I had seen her.
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  Speaker 4: When they asked for is Audrey? What did you say?
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  Speaker 6: I of course told them I haven't seen her, And
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  Speaker 6: in my mind I wanted to snap and tell her,
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  Speaker 6: of course I haven't seen her.
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  Speaker 5: You and your son haven't let me see my daughter
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  Speaker 5: in how long now?
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  Speaker 6: But I didn't because I instantly wanted to know where
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  Speaker 6: my daughter was.
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  Speaker 5: That was the thing that took over.
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  Speaker 2: He also asked the grandma, where is Stephen? And we
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  Speaker 2: know that to be Stephen McDougall.
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  Speaker 1: Why, yes, I did.
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  Speaker 6: I had told her about him messaging me out of
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  Speaker 6: the blue the night before and told her that he
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  Speaker 6: had said to me that he was going to take
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  Speaker 6: her to school that morning, and I asked her where
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  Speaker 6: he was and had she seen him? And she went
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  Speaker 6: from hysterical to stuttering, I.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta go, you told me earlier. She went from calm
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  Speaker 2: to hysterical.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, she went from hysterical to stuttering,
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  Speaker 6: and she had to go.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as she realized that Stephen McDougall yes had
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  Speaker 2: been with Audrey, she had to go and hung up
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  Speaker 2: with the fine It was.
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  Speaker 5: Her stuttering the word.
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  Speaker 6: She didn't have anything else to say other than I
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  Speaker 6: got to go now. In the nine to one one call,
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  Speaker 6: you can clearly hear him in the background.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, we are speaking with Cassie Matthews. This is Audrey
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  Speaker 2: Cunningham's mother. What happened after that? After she hangs up?
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  Speaker 2: What do you do?
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  Speaker 6: I'm about to melt down. I hit my knees, I prayed.
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  Speaker 6: My fiance is sitting there trying to comfort me, but
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  Speaker 6: I didn't even want him to touch me.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't understand what was going on.
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  Speaker 6: I'm pacing a rut in my house, just wondering where
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  Speaker 6: she could be, where I could look, what I could do.
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  Speaker 5: I'm waiting for the officers.
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  Speaker 6: When officers finally showed up, they asked if they could
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  Speaker 6: search my home, and of course I asked him if
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  Speaker 6: I needed to step outside. Whatever made them more comfortable,
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  Speaker 6: but I wanted them to go ahead and you know,
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  Speaker 6: get that done and start looking for my baby.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 6: I tried to ask a couple questions, and they just
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  Speaker 6: kind of looked at each other after they searched and
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  Speaker 6: were like, okay, it's all clear, let's move on, and
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  Speaker 6: then left. Nobody really answered any questions for me for.
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  Speaker 5: A long time.
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  Speaker 2: What was the next thing that happened in your world?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the next thing that happened was I am being
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  Speaker 6: advised that it would probably be best well advised but
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  Speaker 6: not advised, which makes no sense to me, but that
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  Speaker 6: is what has been said.
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  Speaker 5: That I should stay put in my own home.
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  Speaker 6: And then shortly after that, I me and my fiance
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  Speaker 6: and the roommate that we have at the time, we're
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  Speaker 6: getting picked up by the Sheriff's office and you know, investigators.
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  Speaker 6: We go and we spend I think it was almost
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  Speaker 6: sixteen hours up there.
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  Speaker 5: Now the entire time, I'm being.
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  Speaker 6: Asked twenty million questions that I'm able to answer with
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  Speaker 6: no problem. They keep trying to say to me, I
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  Speaker 6: feel like there's something you're not telling us. I feel
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  Speaker 6: like there's something you're not telling us. Well, Finally I
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  Speaker 6: snapped for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, who took you where the Sheriff's department?
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  Speaker 6: And they had a few of the investigators with them.
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  Speaker 6: They took us up to the Polk County.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department, time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: So you were there, your fiance was there, and your
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: roommate was there, and they were peppering you with questions,
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  Speaker 2: really about where's Audrey?
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  Speaker 4: When have you last seen her?
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  Speaker 2: Did you take her, did you hide her? Questions of
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  Speaker 2: that nature?
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  Speaker 4: Correct?
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  Speaker 6: And about the messages between Steve and I from the
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  Speaker 6: night before.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Now that's very curious, Cassie, because I find those
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  Speaker 2: text messages that McDougall sent you very very incriminating for him,
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  Speaker 2: because he is playing on your emotions.
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  Speaker 4: He knows how much you want to see Audrey.
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  Speaker 2: And he's saying, I can get her to you come
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  Speaker 2: meet me down by the river. So basically, Cassie, McDougall
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  Speaker 2: is using your daughter as bait to lure you down
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  Speaker 2: to the river where her body was later found. Why
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  Speaker 2: was he doing that and claiming he was going to
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  Speaker 2: keep it secret from her dad?
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  Speaker 4: What was he what was his game?
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  Speaker 5: Well, when he first approached me.
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  Speaker 6: And see when I say approached me, it was all
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  Speaker 6: through Facebook, Messeger. I've never had his number or anything
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  Speaker 6: like that. But he had said that he was Audrey's babysitter,
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  Speaker 6: which was instant red flag. I didn't understand. But he
• 12:04
  Speaker 6: had said that he wasn't going to pick parents sides,
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  Speaker 6: that he was concerned about what Audrey wanted and how
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  Speaker 6: she felt, and that he thought it was wrong for
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  Speaker 6: her to be kept from me if she wanted to
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  Speaker 6: know me. So he played on the fact that I
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  Speaker 6: was desperate for anything. I wanted, pictures, I wanted, I
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  Speaker 6: just anything that had.
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  Speaker 5: To do with my daughter. And for a minute I
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  Speaker 5: could have believed that.
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  Speaker 6: But then I thought more into it, and I just
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  Speaker 6: knew something was wrong, and I had been speaking to
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  Speaker 6: my family about it. I've been telling my my fiance
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  Speaker 6: told me from the jump not to associate with him
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  Speaker 6: in any way, do not.
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  Speaker 5: But he doesn't understand.
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  Speaker 6: How I was feeling when I just I was craving
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  Speaker 6: something something of my daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have any idea this freak was your daughter's babysitter.
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  Speaker 6: Not until he had messaged me, and I had tried
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  Speaker 6: to contact Josh wondering what the.
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  Speaker 5: Is going on?
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  Speaker 6: And I asked my family over and over again if
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  Speaker 6: they could try to contact and they tried to get
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  Speaker 6: no answer. I wanted to know why a man that
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  Speaker 6: nobody knows is being left with my eleven year old daughter.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he could have chose anyone else under the
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  Speaker 6: sun and it would have been okay. But when he
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  Speaker 6: invited me down to go fishing to see my daughter, well,
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  Speaker 6: for one, I knew better. But at this point, knowing
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  Speaker 6: what I know now, I feel like he did something
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  Speaker 6: to Audrey Wednesday before he even messaged me, and that
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  Speaker 6: if I would have went, he would have gotten rid
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  Speaker 6: of me as well, and then it would have been
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  Speaker 6: chalked up to I kidnapped my daughter and I ran
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  Speaker 6: with her, and people would have forever been looking for
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  Speaker 6: two people that don't exist, not looking in a river.
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  Speaker 3: Question, So you believe this was part of a bigger plan.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you believe, Cassie he needed in his mind
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  Speaker 2: to kill Audrey.
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand that at all. Actually, I can.
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  Speaker 6: Understand the little bit of hatred that he would have
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  Speaker 6: for me, because I would be the only person that
• 14:28
  Speaker 6: could remove her from the home, you know where he
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  Speaker 6: was already a residings.
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  Speaker 5: I have no idea why he felt the need to Actually,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, and this is oh my god, it
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  Speaker 5: makes me sick to my stomach to say.
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  Speaker 6: But I think that in a pedophile's mind, they see
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  Speaker 6: a child and they see their actions as.
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  Speaker 5: An adult would see another adult.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I feel like maybe he was in love with
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  Speaker 6: my daughter and he thought that maybe at one point
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  Speaker 6: she did say that he was her favorite person or
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: something like that, maybe he was good to her, but
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  Speaker 6: she was looking at him as nothing other than an
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  Speaker 6: uncle the way a child should, you know, if at most,
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  Speaker 6: But what if he was in But what if he
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  Speaker 6: was in love with my daughter? What if he tried
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  Speaker 6: to make an advance on my daughter and he didn't
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  Speaker 6: get the reaction that he wanted. He either snapped or
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: he knew that she would tell That is what I think.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe he had already molested her?
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  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know that I didn't find out that her
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  Speaker 6: pants were on the bait until I watched your interview
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  Speaker 6: with Tim Miller.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, Cassie, I didn't know either
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  Speaker 2: until I was talking to Tim Miller.
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  Speaker 4: And he told me live.
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  Speaker 2: At that moment, I didn't know that either, and it
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  Speaker 2: felt like a knife in my heart.
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  Speaker 4: How did you I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Really trying to hold it together.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Cassie. I am so sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sick. I'm stick to my stomach. Guy, I don't understand, Cassie.
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  Speaker 2: How did you learn that they had found Audrey?
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  Speaker 5: A lady from the Sheriff's department and one of the
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  Speaker 5: jailers I believe was sent to my home to tell
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  Speaker 5: me and to sit with me until a family member
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  Speaker 5: or some type of support. They weren't supposed to leave
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  Speaker 5: me alone, and they didn't.
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  Speaker 6: She was really good to me, But I just knew
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  Speaker 6: in my stomach when my fiance come to the room,
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: because I hadn't gotten out of bed.
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  Speaker 5: I was just stuck in my bed.
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  Speaker 6: When he had come to me and said that there
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  Speaker 6: was a lady from the Sheriff's apartment at the door
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  Speaker 6: and that they they needed to speak with me, I knew.
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  Speaker 4: I knew, you know what, Cassie. I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: people know that.
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  Speaker 2: But when I found out that I was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: call my fiance sister, I knew.
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  Speaker 4: I knew he was dead. I knew right then.
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  Speaker 2: So when you hear there's a sheriff lady at the door,
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  Speaker 2: you knew that Audrey was gone.
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  Speaker 4: I knew.
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  Speaker 6: My stomach dropped, my heart just everything to stop for
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  Speaker 6: a minute, honestly, and I felt like I couldn't breathe
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  Speaker 6: when she told me.
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  Speaker 4: What did she say? Did she reveal anything?
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  Speaker 6: No, she just she looked at me in my face,
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: asked me to sit down, and then she said, this
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: is not news that I want to be giving you
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  Speaker 6: right now. And I just I started bawling, and she
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: she was like, yeah, you know, baby, you know, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: then she was right.
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  Speaker 5: And honestly, I still don't know how to pro any
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  Speaker 5: of this. If you want me to be nothing.
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  Speaker 6: But truthful, I am in search for a therapist at
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: the moment because I have been a manic depressident with
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: extreme anxiety since I was fifteen years old. I am
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: so scared that this is going to be a depression
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  Speaker 6: that I can't get myself out of.
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  Speaker 5: I feel numb. I don't feel much of anything else
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  Speaker 5: at all. I feel numb. I don't sleep, I don't
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  Speaker 5: I just sit.
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  Speaker 6: There and I watch videos and look at pictures and
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  Speaker 6: I read all of these comments on the internet, and
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  Speaker 6: that's all I could do. All I could do is
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: just put all of my thoughts into this. In general,
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  Speaker 6: I can have someone sitting right next to me and
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  Speaker 6: they're talking to me and I don't hear a word
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  Speaker 6: that they say.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm Tessy. I'm going to hook you up with
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: a therapist. I've got somebody for you, a lady for
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: you to talk to, and I'll hook you up with
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: her in just a few moments. Cassie, did you have
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: any idea about McDougall's record.
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  Speaker 4: Why was he.
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  Speaker 2: Living in the back yard, Why did he have access
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  Speaker 2: to the home?
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  Speaker 4: So?
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  Speaker 6: I had no idea until I made the Facebook post
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  Speaker 6: and people started commenting. Because as much effort as put
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: into keeping me away, I figured they would put the
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: same type of effort into knowing the people that were around.
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  Speaker 6: If I would have known that I needed to do
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: her father's job because he didn't give a shoe to
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  Speaker 6: do it, I would have known.
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  Speaker 5: But I knew. I knew from the jump.
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  Speaker 2: Some people. I've got a question for you, Cassie. You
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: said that as soon as you told your fiance, he
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: wants to meet me down by the river, and he's
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: going to bring Audrey. Your fiance immediately said, do not
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  Speaker 2: talk to this guy, stay away from him. Did your
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: fiance did everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Know this guy was bad news? Why would he say that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: He did not like the fact that he was like
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: persistent on trying to get me alone. He said that
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: he had a bad feeling about him and that there's
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: just something wasn't right. And my fiance is an excellent
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: judge of character. Who really is was right?
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Question to you?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Did you discover that McDougall was actually going door to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: door like he was looking for Audrey.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: That that's the part right there that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Just infuriates me to the point where I could put
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: my hands around his throat and squeeze and not stop.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: How do you know, damn good and well which you
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: did to my daughter? And then and then you search
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: for her like you care. You don't care.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: You killed my daughter, and then you want to and
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: then you want to search.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: For when you found out that Audrey was missing, it's
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: sick and mcdoogal.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Rights he was taking her to the bus.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Did you ever text him or call him and say
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: where's Audrey?
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: He messaged me actually and he said, hey, have you
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: seen Audrey. She didn't make it home off the bus,
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: and I said, where the is my kid, Stephen?
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Because I just I knew.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: He was trying to cover his tracks.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I wonder if he was trying in some way to
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: set you up.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I can't figure it out, but I guarantee you this,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Miss Matthews, I will figure it out.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: You're not the first person to say that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And I want you to know not only are we
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: praying and thinking about you, we're not letting go of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: this until this guy gets a Texas death penalty.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: I know you don't care if he gets a death penalty.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Other people do.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: I actually don't want him to receive the death penalty,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: only because.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I am not God.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: It is not my place to, you know, judge when
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: somebody else's life ends, and that to me, is an
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: easy way out for him. I have to live with
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: the fact for the rest of my life that I
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: will never see my daughter again, the things that happen
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: to my daughter, and I feel like he should get
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: life without parole, so he has to deal with all
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: of the repercussions every single day for the rest of
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: his life just as well.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Do you think he cares?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Do you think mcdoogal will in jail a sorry and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: let me say something, he can get right with God
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: on his way to hell.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: No, I never expect him at all to even have
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: any type of remorse because you could see it in
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: his face the type of monster he is and the
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: things that he did to my daughter. But the other
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: people that he will have around him, well, damn sure
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: make sure that he does not enjoy a single minute
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: of it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Miss Matthews.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I want you to try, and I know these are
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: just words that don't mean anything. You've got to stay
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: strong because you've got to make sure there is justice
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: for Audrey. You have got to stay strong, don't fall
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: into that depression and spiral down to where you can't
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: get out.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: You've got to be her.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Mom now and stay strong and be her voice because
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: nobody else has been her voice, and now it's on you, Cassie.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: You got to be her voice and you can do that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: I failed my daughter once by being bullied into submission
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: and being made to believe that she was in a
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: good home.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: But I will not fill my daughter again. Nancy. That's
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: everybody thinks that I don't care that I'm I'm shrugging it. Off.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: Oh she's not crying, She's not this, she's not that. No,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: I break down in my home where I'm comfortable. My
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: grieving is not everyone's business. But what is everyone's business
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: is the fact that this isn't over and things need
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: to be done concerning my daughter. So if I got
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: to keep a straight face and I gotta I gotta
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: look heartless for it, well so be it. But if
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: I'm sitting there breaking down, I'm not getting a damn
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: thing done.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Who cares what they think. All that matters now is
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: what God thinks and getting justice.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: That's all that matters right now. Yes, ma'am Cassie, thank
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: you for being with us.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Now, joining me an all star panel to make sense
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: of what we know right now. But before we get
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: going with them, you've got to hear.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: It from the horse's mouth.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to McDougall as they're trying to get
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: him to put his pants on to appear before the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: justice and the peace of the judge.
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: Come on, JP.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Wants to talk to you. Where's your total We'll put
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: your smile from that. Come on out here.
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: No, no, no, man, come on, man, don't disrespect me
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: like well, wrap up.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: In that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: Come on, you have vitor nine silent, not make any
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: statement at all, and don't have any statement that you
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: may again, we'll be used against.
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: You a trial in court.
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: You have the right town attorney, present advisor which advised
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: you hior to question.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: You are hearing Stephen McDougall behind bars refusing.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: To put on any pants. What a stubborn jackass.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Now, doctor Bethany Marshall, You're the shrink, not me, Bethany Marshall.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: High profile psychoanalysts joining us out of l A at
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Dr Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I mean my
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: diagnosis is his jackass?
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: What's yours?
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I thought two things.
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: One, well, the officers has said he was being disrespectful,
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: but I was wondering if he was lingering a psychiatric illness,
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: like acting crazy to get.
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: A more lenient sentence.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: The other thing I wondered was.
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: Did he have an erection? And the reason I wonder
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: that is he's already a child molester allegedly, is he
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: also an exhibitionist? Because all these perversions tend to go
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: hand in hand. So I don't know if the officer
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: is allowed to stay. But that was one of my first.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Questions, Can I ask you something, doctor Bethany, How is
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: put on your clothes? How is that some kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: stimulant to give him an erection? If anything, I think
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: my diagnosis is much better than yours, Doctor Bethany.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: What is yours?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: He's a track ass, I mean, you know, and there's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: more to it than just that. Lana Shadwick joining me,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction where Audrey was murdered,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: where I believe this little eleven year old girl was molested.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: What does that mean again, I'm the one putting the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: perfume on the pig. It means she was either raped
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: or sodomized or both. This girl, this little girl is
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: dead from blunt force trauma, and I believe.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: She was molested before she was killed.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Lana Shadwick joining me, former judge and prosecutor in this
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in this jurisdiction, now legal analyst for Breitbart.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: You can find her Atlantashadwick dot com Lanta.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Really, he wouldn't put on his clothes, and you know
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of people would say, oh, that's wrong to
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: make him appear wearing a blanket.
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: B s.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: That's his decision. If he wants to show his rear
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: end that way, then he can.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: The constitution doesn't protect him from his own personality, No
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it doesn't.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And he's a psychopath.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, anyone who could number one go the next
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: morning and be at a donut shop right across from
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: the courthouse. The judges can see you out the windows.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: How delusional are you?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Go house?
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: The house, you know, and where's where's Audrey? Where's Audrey?
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: Clearly the sign of a psychopath. A psychopath that murders,
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: that blors people in there's social media accounts that says,
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: you appear to be a nice guy at times, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: he's a psychopath.
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: But Nancy, he's also a very attention getting psychopath.
• 28:34
  Speaker 13: He loves the attention, you know, going to the donut shop,
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: going to help the house.
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: Of course he's trying to draw attention away from him.
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: But on the other hand, you use the term jack House,
• 28:43
  Speaker 13: and I would say histrionic jack House, and that means
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: somebody who just loves being in the limelight and loves
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: getting the attention. And who's he trying to get attention
• 28:52
  Speaker 13: from little kids? I mean, that is one's so alarming
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: and frightening and disturbing about all of this histrionic.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You know, it reminds me of a little old lady
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that lived in my hometown, rural bib County, in the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: middle of Georgia, on a red dirt road.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: No matter whose.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Funeral it was, she would wait till right before.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: The family came in and walked down the aisle being
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: assisted on both sides and carried up front. And somehow
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: every funeral and every wedding was about her. That's how
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I define histrionic.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: It's just over the top drama and it's all about you. Yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I can see that, but I'm still sticking with jackass.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: over three hundred homicides under his belt that he's investigated,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a work toom. I found him in the interview room
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that's his YouTube channel during the Coburger trial, I mean
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the Coburger investigation, Chris McDonough.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: When you get a defendant like that, Chris, I had.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: A guy, a drug lord. He had very violent and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the Constitution doesn't protect.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: You from yourself. Guess what he wore to court?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He wore red bright fire engine red leather pants and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: a bright fire engine red leather barmber jacket, tons of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: gold chains. And guess what the witness said about the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: park that was selling dope that night. He had on
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a red leather jacket and red leather pants. I was
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: so happy the constitution did not protect him from his
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: own personality. Same thing here McDonough. God won't even get
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: dressed to seat go in front of the judge. They
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: have to force him to put on a blanket to
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: cover up his penis and his naked rear. End.
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: It's just another slap in the face to the system
• 30:46
  Speaker 14: as a whole. On this guy always felt that he
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: was above the system. Look how he played the cops.
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: Just in that clip Nancy, out by the subway, he's
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: just leaning against the car, you know, like he's having
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: an everyday chut chat.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I want to see that, Liz, if you could put
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: that up and you also have video lists from the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: other side, and I can see him just you.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Know, rare it all propped up on the back of
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: that car. Yep, that's it, and I can see it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: He's moving, but he's just casually kicked back.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Chris McDonald's right, he's not worried why nobody's going to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: testify against him because the victim is dead. He knows that,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and here he is refusing to come into court and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: with clothes on. Guys, take a listen to the judge
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: speaking to McDougall.
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: You're righting jermy interviewed at anytime you have the right
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: Jens and and driver Orcus of Abel, do you entertain
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: to right them?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: So?
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: Do you want to report the attorney.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: You're gonna hire your o?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Which one.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: You're gonna hire your own?
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: Listens?
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: All right, I need some friend here for me your
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: charges capital murder, and it's an obn.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Bob Price, and Bob is
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: associate editor c your news contributor, Bright Bart.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Bob, thank you for being with us. I love this judge.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: First of all, I also want to thank kat RK
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: for getting that video because I can tell you about.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: It till I'm blue in the face.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: But a picture speaks a million words, a video two million,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: So thanks kat RK. Bob Price, I love this judge.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: She's like, here's a guy covered in tattoos.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: I'm about to be arraigned in the murder, and I.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Believe we're going to see six charges as well.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'm an eleven year old girl. He's butt naked. They
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: forced him to use a blanket. She just keeps right
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: on reading his rights. She doesn't care, doesn't blink, and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I love her.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Nancy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: I was told that he actually dropped the blanket in
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: front of the judge as well. You know, it's clearly
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: he's reaching for attention. And this is one despicable human being.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: And I'm using the term human being very loosely here.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: He's an animal. And you can tell by not only
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: what he did to Audrey Cunningham, but other people throughout
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: his life. Was he pled guilty to a charge in
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: Montgomery County, just fifty miles away from here in December,
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: and had he been sentenced on that case, he would
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: have been in jail and not been able to take
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: this action against Audrey. And then we had other cases.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: There's so many times this seemingly irrelevant string of events
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: that all came together leading to Audrey's murder, where one
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: single action could have changed the course of Audrey's life
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: and saved her life. And yet time and time and
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: time again, Stephen McDougall was given another chance. The father
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: said he wanted to give him another chance. He committed
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: at least three assaults that I know of in the
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: last quarter of the last year. I don't know what
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: second chance this guy thinks he deserves, or what anybody
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: else around him thinks he deserves. He's the law enforcement
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: sources inside the jail say that he is clearly a psychopath,
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: but they said he's also very competent to stand trial.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to circle back with doctor Bethany Marshall
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the fact that psychopathy does not mean you are legally insane.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: That's like saying Ted Bundy was a psychopath. That did
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: not mean he was insane and shouldn't go to trial.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Guys also with me is a renowned death investigator, professor
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: forensics at Jacksonville State University, and author of Blood.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: He's also the star of a hit podcast series, Body
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, I want to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: have a little reality check while we're kicking around this guy. Oh,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: that actually drops his blanket. Bob Price joining us from
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Breitbart just said a reporter reported that the he drops
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the blanket so the judge can see all of his
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: gentle and rear end. You know what, it's almost laughable,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and we can kick her around.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Oh he's a jackass, but you know what, he's a killer,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: That's what he is. And I don't want to.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Make light of him. I want the world to know
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: what happened to Audrey and Joe Scott. You've been in
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: front of many a jury, as have I. I've seen
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: them WinCE when I describe what happened. I've seen them
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: literally turn their face away from a witness on the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: standar witness like you from the Medical Examiner's office. But
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you can't turn away from the truth and excuse this guy.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: For just being a rear end.
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: Tell me what happened to this eleven year old girl, Nancy.
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: He put his hands on her, he beat her, he
• 35:52
  Speaker 15: probably choked her. And then then at the end of
• 35:57
  Speaker 15: all of this, he ties this rock to this ruscious
• 36:00
  Speaker 15: little angel's body Visa VI another rope that he had
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: weighted her down in the Trinity River and left her there.
• 36:08
  Speaker 15: And she's literally oscillating in the water. Her body is
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: spinning around and around and around and around, and he
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: drives off and disregards her. And let me tell you
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: one more thing if you like that one. We're coming
• 36:22
  Speaker 15: off of the heels of Adam Montgomery's trial up in
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: New Hampshire. Relative to that precious angel, Harmony Montgomery, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 15: see a lot of similarities here because you know Adam Montgomery,
• 36:34
  Speaker 15: he couldn't even show his face in court to stand
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: to stand before the court to answer for what he
• 36:40
  Speaker 15: did up there. This is the same pattern they can abuse.
• 36:44
  Speaker 15: They can treat young children like this and then they
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: don't expect that there is going to be any hell
• 36:50
  Speaker 15: to pay. And let me tell you something, Hell's coming
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: with this guy, just like it did with Adam Montgomery,
• 36:56
  Speaker 15: because he literally, he literally carried that little girl around
• 37:00
  Speaker 15: from place to place to place, treated her like garbage.
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: And that's what this animal has done with this precious baby.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Alana Shadwick joining me and
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: everybody on the panel please jump in.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: You're the brain trust.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Lana reminding me again of where I grew up in
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: rural bed County, not even inside the city.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: As her body was being.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Taken to the funeral home, the community came out and
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: lined the streets. That's what we would do when I
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: was growing up in a funeral procession would go by,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: and of course, if you're in your car, you pull
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: over and turn.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Your lights on and turn your car off to stop
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the world just for a moment.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: And when I think of everybody lined up along the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: sides of the street as her body went by, it
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: just breaks my heart. Landa.
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: And this was that scene that you're seeing. Right there
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: is the donut shop. So he stood in front of
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: that donut shop nonchalantly like I can handle this, I
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: can fool everybody whatever. And then this is where her
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: body is brought back. It's right across from the courthouse.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: It's just.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: It was devastating for the community, and the streets were
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: lined people are just the heaviness, the sadness, the grief
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: that surrounds the entire community. This is only there's only
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: five thousand and six hundred people in Livingston, Texas. There's
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: fifty two thousand and.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Paul Kelney, the social media in the public.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: Backlash, I mean, it's just been in the grief. It's
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: just been amazing.
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: There's another irony in all of this.
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: Just like he showed his private parts to that little girl,
• 39:22
  Speaker 13: he wanted to show his private parts to the judge too.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: So He does the same thing everywhere.
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: Just like he stood nonchalantly in the donut shops so
• 39:32
  Speaker 13: that the judges could see him across the street. He
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: was a very nonchalant about molesting and killing this poor angel.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: As we've been calling her.
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: And so this guy is consistent in all of his patterns.
• 39:46
  Speaker 13: He's hysterical, he's history onic. He is a psychopath. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 13: you asked earlier about that. A psychopath is not a
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: psychiatric illness. He's not crazy. It's a personality disorder. And
• 39:58
  Speaker 13: this personality disorder lacks a con loves to kill.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Loves to inflict cruelty.
• 40:04
  Speaker 13: They're very sadistic because that's how they get sexually excited,
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: and that is the mo for this crime. And you
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: know what, he's excited by all this attention as well.
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: And that's the sick part of this upcoming trial is
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: he'll get off on it, Nancy, just like he gone
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: off on killing a child.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: You think I care what he does behind bars? Have
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: at it, you know.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Bob Price joining me from bright bart Texas. Bob, I
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: am now hearing. Of course we've heard from Cassie Matthews,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: who is Audrey's mother, But I'm now hearing the other
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: side of the family, the grandma, the grandpa, the dad,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the bio dad who let this guy live in the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: backyard in a camper and have full access to their
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: home when the little girl was there. I mean, I
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: don't let people just wander into our home when the
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: twins are there. Oh ATBLN, I don't know you uh uh,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: You're not going to have traps something like a parade
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans on Marty Grond No, that's not happening.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: But now wait for it. They're actually saying that the
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: system failed them, Bob Price.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: The system failed them because they did a background check
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and they didn't know he was a sex offender.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: B s.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: They're saying they didn't know he wasn't on the sex
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: offender registry. That's BS because isn't it true by Price
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that he got a two year sentence for when he
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: got to bed with that little girl. He was charged
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: with enticing a minor and more, he got a two
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: year sentence. That's not a misdemeanor. If it's a two
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: year sentence, that would be a felony, which would have
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: showed up on his record.
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: Yes, no, Joshua Cunningham, it's you, they'll let your daughter down.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: It's not.
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: The system certainly did let her down as well, But
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: it took me about thirty minutes of doing some Google
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: researches online to find out not only had this guy
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: crawled into bed with another ten year old girl, and
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: pedophiles have a range, they have a range of age,
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: very tight bracket they're attracted to. And this little girl
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: and Audrey were basically the same age, within a few
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: months of each other at the time of their attack.
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: And not just this crime against this little girl, but
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: dozens of crimes from two thousand and one till two
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: months before Audrey was murdered. He was being charged, arrested,
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: convicted of crimes, violent crimes, and had no business being
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: around any child, let alone this little eleven year old angel.
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: It's pathetic that these parents, this grandmother and father, would
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: allow this animal around their daughter. I wouldn't let him
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: within thirty to six range of my daughter or grandchildren.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And now the hypocrisy of say, oh, the system let
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: her down. It's the system's fault because he wasn't a
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: registered sex offender. Yeah, well, you know what, that was
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the prosecutor's fault for not pushing that and making that
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: part of his plea deal, which it was such a
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: sweet plea deal it makes me seek to my stomach.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: He didn't even have to say I'm guilty. He got
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to say no lo contenderate and he didn't even contest it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: He took his sentence, and I believe that sentence Atlanta
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Shadwick was two years, which means it was a felony,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: which means you heard Bob Price say, all you had
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to do was google him. For Pete's sake, you don't
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: have to go get a wrap sheet and pay twenty
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: five dollars for it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: You can look it up on Google. For Pete's sake.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: They knew he had a record.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: He had a possession of a dangerous drug Liberty County
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: two thousand and three, two thousand and six, another possession
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: in two thousand and six assault on a public servant,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: which is exactly what the Arian brotherhood.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: They have to assault a public servant or a correctional.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Officer in order to be part of a game.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: He was convicted of that assault on a public service
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: servant and.
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: Serve time and then the enticing of a child out
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: of Brissouria County, in two thousand and eight, twenty and
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: ten aggravated assault with a deadly weapon to twenty fourteen
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: reckless driving, and then another aggravated assault in twenty nineteen
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: and another thumbder the nose to law enforcement in twenty
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: twenty three when he was convicted of resisting rest. This
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: man is a man of violence.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Well, how could they now claim it's a system's fault.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: You can find all that on a Google search. You
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: don't have to go into official court records. And what
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, why I keep talking about the
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: sentence was two years and more because a misdemeanor which
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: would not show up as a felony conviction is twelve
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: months or less. When you have two years or more,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that means you've been convicted on a felony which absolutely
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: would have shown up. So I don't understand why now
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: they're claiming like the system failed. Just Scott, I want
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: to circle back to the evidence really quickly.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I want to figure out hold on my price. Do
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: we know yet what the formal charges are going to be?
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: Right now?
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: It's a capital murder charge, Plus he has the outstanding
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: charge for aggravated assault causing serious moodily injury to David.
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I forgot David's last name. Who he assaulted
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: in August last year? David, Yes, sorry. You know, so
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: he committed at least three assaults in the last quarter
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: or the last six months of.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: But we know that right now he's going to be
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: charged with capital murder.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm waiting to find out if there are
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: going to be sex charges that he performed against this
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: little girl. Joe Scott Morgan back to you, death investigator,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: What is a hold up? How quickly upon a rape
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: kit exam, which is an examination of the rectum and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the vagina and all surrounding areas, in fact, the whole body,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: even though she had been in water.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: How long is that going to take?
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: And if sperm DNA is found, then we got to
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: make a DNA comparison.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, we do.
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: And they listen, they've got him. He's a known so
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: they'll do the Buckla mc coastal swath on him, scraping,
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: so they'll they have that in a static position, I.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Mean the mouth, Yeah, and they just reach in your
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: mouth with something that looks like a que tip and
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: gets saliva and sells from the inside of your jaw.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Don't like a COVID test, Go ahead.
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And so he's a known so they can compare
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: that what they have to what It's going to be
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: key here though, Nancy, And keep in mind, this little
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: angel was in a water environment, and it sounds as
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: though that she's at least partially unclothed. Remember they found
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: her clothing on the river bank here, which is significant.
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: So any area her vagina, her rectum, her mouth, it
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: could be all flushed out. Here's my key what I'm
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: thinking about. She's very young, Nancy, and I would there
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: may be a chance that if she was assaulted through
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: this rape, that there would be evidence of vaginal trauma,
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: antal trauma, whatever the case might be. And of course
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: that's going to fall to the forensic pathology. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: torn skin. And one more thing I got to point
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: out here. This guy is so comfortable right now, Nancy.
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: He's very comfortable the way he's behaving. One of the
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: things that's really piqued my interest in this. If he
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: is this comfortable assaulting first off, this other ten year
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: old and this little darling here, I want to know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: are there any unsolved cases that fit this age range?
• 48:05
  Speaker 9: That are out there that might be missing that he
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: had proximity to agree.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I agree he didn't just do this two times in
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: his life.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: You can mark my words on that. And one quick thing.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: I know we got to go, and I don't want
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: to lose you guys, but I just want you to
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: look at.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: This piece of video that has been unearthed. This looks
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: to me like Audrey actually putting a tattoo on an
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: adult male is what it looks like to me. Look
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: at this, This little girl as working a tattoo pen.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Wait for it, there you go.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I can't tell if.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: That's a man or a woman's leg. If it's a
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: man's leg, it could have been shaved to apply a tattoo.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: What in the hay is going on in that house?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Why is this little girl? What jump in by a price?
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: What is this?
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: It's disgusting. It's clear, you know, I said a minute ago,
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: Joshua Cunningham, that let his little girl down, and this
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: grandmother and a lot of people let this little girl down.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: But I want to if I could go back just
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: a minute to the public outpouring of support for Audrey.
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: This procession that you showed a minute ago that started
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: in Houston, local police officers went down to bring this
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: little girl home. It started in Houston, and as it
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: traveled up through Cleveland and Porter and Shepherd and some
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: of these other communities along the way, more law enforcement,
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: more police cars, more fire trucks, more citizens got in
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: this line. And by the time they got to where
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: you see it here in Livingston, there were hundreds of
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: people standing along the streets on Washington Avenue and Church
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: Street as they moved towards the funeral home. And there
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: she goes right there. It really was tremendous. And then
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: you have the little memorial that was built for her
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: under eath the what I'm now calling the Audrey Cunningham
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: Bridge on US fifty nine. Sheriff Greg Capers of San
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: Jacino County, where her body was recovered, told me that
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: they're talking to tex Dot now to get some kind
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: of a temporary memorial right there where you see where
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: the circle is was where she was found, and get
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: a temporary memorial built there. I say temporary because they're
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: getting ready to rip all of that out and build
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: a new highway, Interstate Highway through there. But it's the
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: love and support for this little girl that they're seeing
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: from the community. And I don't want to say that
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: this family didn't love her, but they certainly didn't protect her.
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: And that's a father's number one job.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: You know what, Bob Price, I appreciate you being careful
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: when you're referring to her family that she lived with,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: but I see it in very clear terms. She died
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: on their watch. They allowed this guy in the back
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: yard and in their home. So this Friday night, there's
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: going to be a memorial for Audrey, an eleven year
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: old girl. Eleven years old, and we want justice, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Who falls in the search for justice, but we will
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: get justice for this child. Goodbye, friend,