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- Lucas: So you're in a meeting with your boss and a key client. You've prepped the numbers, you're walking through the Q3 strategy, and your boss cuts in. Maybe corrects a small detail you had right. Maybe says, 'Well, what Lucas means is...' — and suddenly you're not the expert in the room anymore. Luna: Oof. That's the classic public undermining move. I've been there. It's almost worse than being chewed out in private because you can't exactly push back hard when the client is watching. Lucas: Exactly. And the damage is real — your credibility takes a hit, and the client starts wondering who they should actually listen to. Today I want to talk about a specific case from a listener named Priya. She's a marketing manager at a 500-person tech firm — about three years into the role. Her VP, let's call him Dan, has a habit of correcting her in front of clients, even when she's right. Luna: And is Dan doing it on purpose? That's the question, right? Is he a control freak, or does he genuinely think he's being helpful? Lucas: Right, and we'll get to intent versus impact. But first, let's set the scene. Priya is leading a quarterly business review with a big retail client. She's walking through the campaign metrics — click-through rates up 12 percent, conversion up 8. Dan jumps in: 'Actually, Priya, remember we had that attribution issue? So those conversions might be overstated.' Except they had already fixed the attribution issue two weeks earlier, and Dan signed off on it. Luna: So he's wrong, and now the client is looking at her like, 'Should I trust your numbers?' That's exactly where you feel your authority drain away. Lucas: Priya froze. She said she felt her face get hot, but she didn't correct him in the moment. She just said, 'We can circle back on that,' and moved on. Later, the client emailed her asking for clarification. So now she has to clean up a mess that shouldn't have existed. Luna: And that's the worst part — the extra work. Plus, the client starts to see her as someone who isn't in control. So what did she do? Did she talk to Dan? Lucas: Not right away. And I think that was actually smart. She did what I'd call the '24-hour rule' — she waited a day, cooled down, and then scheduled a short one-on-one. She didn't come in hot. She came in curious. She said, 'In the QBR yesterday, when you mentioned the attribution issue — I want to make sure I'm not missing something. Could you walk me through your concern?' Luna: That's the 'curious clarification' technique. It's brilliant because it doesn't accuse. It makes the boss explain himself. And if he was just being sloppy, he might realize it on his own. Lucas: Right. In Priya's case, Dan said, 'Oh, I forgot you guys fixed that. My bad.' And that's half the battle — getting the boss to admit the error, even casually. But the problem is, the client still has that doubt. So the second step is damage control with the client. Luna: And you can't throw the VP under the bus. You have to frame it as a process improvement. Like, 'After our review, we double-checked the attribution issue and confirmed it's fully resolved. The numbers I presented are solid.' Lucas: Exactly. Priya sent a follow-up email to the client that said exactly that — and cc'd Dan. She wrote, 'Thanks for the great conversation. Just to confirm, the attribution issue we discussed has been resolved, so the conversion figures remain as presented. Dan and I are aligned on this.' That last part is key. It subtly reminds the client that Dan is on board. Luna: And it puts Dan on notice, too. He sees the email, and next time, he might think twice before jumping in. But what about the long-term pattern? One-off correction is one thing; if Dan does this every meeting, you need a bigger strategy. Lucas: Absolutely. Priya told me Dan does this about once a month. So the third step is to have a broader conversation about meeting roles. She set up a 30-minute meeting and said, 'I want to make sure our client meetings are as smooth as possible. Would it work if I lead the presentation, and you save any questions or additions for the Q&A at the end? That way the client sees a unified front.' Luna: That's a great framing. You're not asking him to be quiet — you're asking him to help you lead better. Most bosses will agree to that because it makes them look good, too. Lucas: Dan actually agreed. And in the next QBR, he stuck to it — mostly. He only interrupted once, and it was a genuine question. Priya said it felt like a huge win. But there's a fourth step that's important: documenting the pattern. Luna: Yeah, in case it doesn't improve. You want a paper trail. And not just for HR — for yourself, to see if things are actually getting better. Lucas: Right. Priya started keeping a simple log: date, meeting, what was said, how she handled it. After three months, she had a clear picture. The interruptions dropped from about once a month to once every two months. So progress, but not perfect. And she told me she felt more confident because she had a playbook. Luna: I think that's the key takeaway. When you're undermined, it's easy to feel powerless. But having steps — curious clarification, client follow-up, role negotiation, documentation — gives you back control. You're not just reacting; you're managing the situation. Lucas: And if none of that works? If the boss continues to undermine you despite clear conversations and attempts to align? Then it's time to escalate. But you go to HR with data, not feelings. You say, 'Here are six instances over three months where my authority was undercut in front of clients. Here's what I tried. I need support.' Luna: That's a strong case. HR can't ignore documentation like that. But I want to go back to something you said earlier — the difference between intent and impact. Some bosses genuinely don't realize they're undermining you. They think they're helping. Lucas: That's a great point. And that's why the curious clarification is so powerful. It forces the boss to reveal their intent. If Dan had said, 'Oh, I knew the client would ask about attribution, so I wanted to get ahead of it,' then you can say, 'I appreciate that. In the future, could you give me a heads-up beforehand so we can coordinate?' Luna: Right. You're not accusing; you're collaborating. I've had a boss who used to finish my sentences in front of executives. I finally said, 'I notice you often jump in when I'm explaining technical details — is there something you're worried I'll miss?' He admitted he thought I was too verbose. So we agreed I'd send him a one-page summary before the meeting. Problem solved. Lucas: That's a perfect example. Now, what if the boss is deliberately undermining you? Like, they want to look superior in front of clients or they're threatened by your competence? That's a different beast. Luna: Yeah, then it's less about fixing a communication gap and more about protecting yourself. I think in that case, you might need to build alliances with other stakeholders. If the client knows you're the expert, they'll come to you directly. Lucas: Exactly. And that's a longer play. You start sending post-meeting recaps directly to the client, cc'ing your boss. You build a reputation for being responsive and accurate. Eventually, the client will see through the undermining. Luna: It's more work, but it's career insurance. And honestly, if a boss is intentionally undermining you, it might be a sign to start looking for a new role. You can only manage up so much. Lucas: That's the honest truth. But for most cases, these four steps — curious clarification, client follow-up, role negotiation, documentation — can turn the situation around. Priya is still at the same company, and she says things are much better now. Luna: Good for her. And it reminds me that a lot of this show is about giving people practical moves they can make, not just venting. If you're listening and this hit home, we hope it helps. Lucas: And if you've found value in episodes like this one, we want to mention something. This podcast is ad-free and listener-supported. We keep it that way because we think career advice shouldn't be interrupted by commercials. If you'd like to support the show, you can buy us a coffee — it's a small way to say thanks and keep us going. Luna: Yeah, it really helps. The link is easy — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, but every contribution goes straight into making more episodes. Lucas: And we appreciate every one of you who listens. Now, back to Priya — she had one last insight that I think is worth unpacking. She said the biggest change wasn't in Dan's behavior; it was in her own confidence. Once she had a plan, she stopped dreading meetings. Luna: That's huge. Because when you're anxious, you perform worse, which gives the boss more reason to step in. It's a vicious cycle. Breaking it with preparation is the real win. Lucas: Exactly. So the takeaway isn't just 'manage your boss' — it's 'manage your own reaction first.' Once you're calm and strategic, you can handle almost anything. Luna: Well said. And next time, we'll talk about another listener question — what to do when your boss takes credit for your work in a public forum. That's a classic. Lucas: It is. And we've got some tactics that go beyond 'keep a brag file.' Until then, thanks for listening.