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Marcus Ogden's Path from Player to Parent - Inspiring story of resilience (Former NFL Lineman) · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

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  Speaker 2: So enjoy and let's get right to Marcus Ogden.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Quarterback Dadcast.
• 1:36
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• 1:43
  Speaker 2: Today's episode is fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: It's from a referral from the fantastic Leslie Vickery, and our guest is the talented Marcus Ogden, a speaker, an executive coach, a former NFL player, someone who's gone through adversity, someone who's gone really, really, really, at times hit rock bottom, but he persevered.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: He's going to share with us how he persevered.
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: He's going to talk about growing up in a single parent home and learned so many great things from his father.
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  Speaker 2: He played football for Howard University from 1998 to 2002.
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  Speaker 2: And then he also went on to play in the NFL and follow his brother's footsteps.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not why we're having him on.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have him on today because we're going to learn how Marcus is working hard to become that ultimate quarterback or leader of his household.
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  Speaker 2: So, without further ado, mr Ogden, welcome to the Quarterback Dadcast.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: Hey Slack, how you doing today, my friend.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: Well, we always start out each episode with gratitude, so tell me, what are you most grateful for as a dad today?
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: I'm grateful for both of my girls.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: I got divorced.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: I filed for divorce in July 2022.
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: Unexpected, it wasn't something I was planning on or wanting to do and I have a now 20-year-old stepdaughter.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: I've been in her life since she was eight, so I divorced her mom, not her.
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: And then I have a 10-year-old daughter and I haven't seen her for nine days because we have like five for her mom.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: We go two to five, and so I had my five normal days.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: But then I had my normal days of monday, tuesday of this week.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: I was in las vegas delivering a big keynote for a client, so I was not able to see her, and so now I have her now and it's awesome because now you know, her and the babysitter are going to go do some carving while I'm doing this, and then we're going to go and do some stuff for the front porch and we're going to do like some things in this weekend.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: We got a whole weekend planned.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: So, without a doubt, I'm grateful for both my daughters.
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: So cool.
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: What I'm most grateful for today is a couple things.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: One we got we got homecoming weekend and my daughter's high school, she's got those festivities.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: I got my mom in town.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: I'm actually going to be traveling next week, so I got a speaking thing in Nashville, so I'll be going there.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: But I'm also grateful for my son, marcus, who's a freshman in college and just the as you can probably remember, as an athlete, the ups, the downs, the days you're like man, what's you just is this ever going to figure this stuff out?
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: And just it's so fun watching his growth.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's so fun Like having now like big time mature conversations and him saying man, dad, thank you so much, I love you, this is super helpful.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: Thanks again tonight.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's like, it's so fun just watching this evolution of our relationship and I'm just I'm like when I talk to him, I'm so present and grateful in those moments, um, and I just like even talking about now it just kind of brings, gives me goosebumps and get that great feeling inside inside my heart.
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: So Love it man, I love that.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, with my daughter 20 and you know, in college having those same type of conversations.
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: She's a junior and my daughter 10.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: So it's.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: I, I'm right there with you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go inside the Ogden huddle.
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: I want to learn a little bit more about your daughters.
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: Tell me what lights them up, what are their things that bring them joy in life.
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  Speaker 1: So Ava, my 20-year-old.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: She is big into fashion.
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  Speaker 1: She used to be much into technology when she was younger, more to herself, more introverted.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: She's still kind of an introvert now, but she's much more outgoing than she ever was.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: She is studying nursing at NYU.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: She loves it.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: She earned a full scholarship for this upcoming for the year she's in now, which was fantastic and I'm just proud of her and what she does.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: She's very much wants to help people.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: She's great with her little sister.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: Her sister, farrah, is 10.
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  Speaker 1: Farrah is very bright.
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  Speaker 1: She likes school and math and reading and she's very sensitive, likes to help other people, very caring, likes to try to take care of the little kids, like to try to have engaging conversations with the older kids.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: She's very much into sports.
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: Farrah is she's playing basketball.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: Older kids she's very much into sports.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: Farrah is she's playing basketball.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: She has tried soccer, she has tried volleyball, she has tried baseball and you know, I think as she gets older, I think her sport will probably be basketball.
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: I can coach her a little bit in that and help her in that area.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of expertise that I play football but of course I play basketball and have a lot of friends that I play with now in the Raleigh area that were college players.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: Some guys played some pro, some semi-pro.
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: We even have J Cole, the music star, who comes and plays with us sometimes in Raleigh as well, which is pretty cool.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: So again, both my daughters are alike in a lot of ways and Ava is not into sports at all.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's trying to learn football because you know her boyfriend likes it and trying to teach her, which is great.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: As a dad you know all that kind of good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But again, ava's more, like you know, into fashion and to, like you know, the Manhattan scene.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: You know she's done a really nice job again but keeping her grades really really high but still enjoying her time in college.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: And Farrah great student, she's gifted in, like you know, know those gifted programs that they have for, you know, middle school for elementary schoolers and she'll be in middle school next year.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: So as as an o-lineman, as I so like my alignment when I centrally at central washington they called themselves the brotherhood, the old line brother.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys ever did that, but like as a member, as a big guy, you got to work in the post game.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: Is she going to be outside game?
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: I'm a total banger, get in there, rebound her.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm almost 6'6", her uncle's 6'9" We've got some height, she's not afraid of getting in there.
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: What I'm trying to teach her is how to, you know, you know, keep her head up while she dribbles, and how to pass it, be more.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: You know kind of see the the court better.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: But she's definitely a banger and she loves to get in there and she's like, say, she's tall and she's, you know, likes to, you know, just have fun and hang around the the basket.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: So, without a doubt, she's kind of more of a Charles Barkley kind of a player in that regard.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: Well, my daughter's a junior in high school.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: She's a hooper.
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know where she gets her basketball skills.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: Definitely not for me.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was like I played until like ninth grade and I was like the quarterback that squeezed every ounce of athletic ability out of me to keep playing in college.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: That's what's fun.
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: Like my son's a college golfer and my daughter's now aspiring hope to play in college hoop.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: But she's like a five, five, four, really good shooter, but scrappy.
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: There's a loose ball, she's going head first and uh, it's just.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I love having a tough daughter.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: It's the best, oh yeah, man because when they're tough in sports, I believe they're going to be tough in life.
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: They're going to be gritty, they're going to get after it, they're going to go after what they want, they're going to keep digging, keep digging and not take no for an answer.
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: So when you have a daughter like that, that's awesome because, again, that's all about what us dads want.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: We want our daughters to have a lifestyle that they can do when they leave the house, grow up, get married, all that they can take care of themselves.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: Of course, I want them to find a mate and all that and a partner, but I want my daughters to be able to take care of themselves so they don't have to rely on somebody else.
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: They can rely on themselves first, and that's the most important thing as a dad.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: Amen, man.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: Well, one question I like always asking my guests is to kind of really rewind the tape and take me back to what life was like growing up for Marcus and share with me some of the values that were really important to you that you now share with both of your daughters.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: So for me, we grew up also in a single parent household, single dad.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: My brother, jonathan Osden, is the Ravens' first draft pick ever.
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: He is a first battle Hall of Famer in the NFL.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: He played his whole 12-year career with the Baltimore Ravens and growing up in our house, when our mom left us and our dad stepped up and raised us you're talking about a quarterback dad you know three things were important Respect yourself, okay, Respect women and education over sports.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: So I teach my girls respect themselves, right, respect men who they're going out with or who they're interacting with and, you know, make sure that man respects them.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: And education over sports.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: Now, luckily with Ava, she's not really into sports but Farrah does enjoy sports.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm always pushing with her education, school reading.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: I don't really have to push her like that, it's more like encouraging her because sometimes she'll get frustrated like math things or reading things, stuff like that, and I'm always going to help her kind of work through that, talk through that.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: And also, you know Farrah is a little bit sensitive because of the divorce.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're divorced, you know.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be final.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: It's a year next month because in our state of North Carolina to be separated for a year and then the divorce becomes official and final.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: So in reality, you know, it's only been a year finalized and so Farrah has had some trouble adjusting to not having both her parents at the house and you know, like she doesn't like me to, I'm not allowed to date, in her mind anyway, you know all that kind of stuff.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, man, I mean it's, it's, it's hard, you know, because I was the same with my dad, like, and I didn't really like my dad dating a whole lot.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: Now I think about it.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Then, as I got older, you know I was like man, you know, okay, I see why you mom divorce, got it, and then I wanted him to date, you know, but unfortunately my dad never remarried, which I wish he had.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: I was hoping he dated, he was engaged when I really liked, but it just didn't work out, unfortunately.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: So what I'm really wanting my daughters to know is that it's about respecting themselves, respect whomever they're dating and vice versa, make sure they respect them as well.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: And then education over everything else, because if you have a great education, you're always, you will always be in a position to win.
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: Now that's gold, um, it's.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: It's ironic.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: I'm reading a book right now about um.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: I usually read a lot of nonfiction business books, but I'm reading a book on world war two and concentration camps called the happiest man alive, and it is.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: I can't put the thing down and part of the book, the.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: I mean just what this guy went through.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: It's just like it can't even be.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: It can't imagine I can't imagine.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Dude, it's like I can't even.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: You're right, that's, I just can't imagine.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: So in his book his dad talked to him about education and he said education will save your life.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: And literally at one point he was about to go to another concentration camp and he ended up somehow getting out of it because he was at the hospital, because he got thrown a rock at his face blood everywhere, he's getting stitches and he saw one of these machines that his dad used to fix and make.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: And as he walked by the hospital he told the neurosurgeon he goes oh, this is that machine.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: And the doctor's like how do you know?
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: He's like oh, because I used to make those things.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: He's like do you know how to fix them or can you make more?
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, so like if he didn't learn to do that at a young age.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: It's called Happiest man on Earth.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: I'm halfway through.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: I only started it yesterday.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: So respect yourself, respect men or women.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: And then education over sports Easier said than done, but I love those.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: Those are fantastic.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: Before I dive in a little bit, is your dad still with us?
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: No, he passed away in 2006.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: I actually spoke last Saturday in Houston, texas, for the Living Bank for their 55th annual gala, talking about living organ donor awareness, about how living donors could be giving kidneys or spleens, whatever the case may be.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: So it's more about donor awareness education and I spoke there honoring his legacy.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: So he passed away in 2006.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: uh, man, I'm sorry.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: Well, we have that in common too.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: My dad passed away december 29, 2021.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: Um, uh, I was lucky enough to be there for his last breath, but it was, you know, and people who listen to the podcast.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: Season three was dedicated all to him, and so I know what it's like.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: But what did your dad do?
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: My dad, when he was working in his younger days, worked in the banking industry.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: So he was the first African-American bank manager for the Federal Home Loans Bank of New York in their DC office.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: So he was all about helping.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: You know, you know people and he was leading teams of all races.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: You know all ethnicities, you know all diverse backgrounds and you know our dad was a true champion about change.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: He was doing things.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: He was actually doing diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging and inclusivity and creating psychologically safe environments before it was even being talked about like it is today Like there's DEIB, which is a great initiative, absolutely awesome but our dad was doing that before it was even talked about wow, it's funny.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Um, that's awesome that he did that and it's awesome that, um, I want to.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I want to talk, I want to.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I got to make sure I connect you to a guy who impacted me in 2020.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Got him dale favors.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that name I don't but I love to meet him.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, dale's he, marcus.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: He taught me more about diversity in 2020.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Got him Dale Favors.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that name I don't but I'd love to meet him.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, dale's he, marcus.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: He taught me more about diversity in 2020, right in the heart of the social unrest, black Lives Matter movement.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: And he is, I consider, one of my great friends of life and someone I look up to.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Even though I've only spent, I'd say, 10 hours worth of my life in person, I feel like I'm known my whole life.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: And he's he opened my.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: He opened my eyes to many different things, specifically just around understanding the word privilege in 2020.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Um, I used to.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I say this.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I used to be embarrassed to say this, but I'm not anymore.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: I just this is what it is like.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I used to be like a white person that would say man, privilege, privilege, I work my ass off.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I had squeezed every ounce of athletic ability out of me and he's like you don't get it.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: And what he's saying, casey, is that as a white man, right, as a white male, you have more privilege and opportunity than other people who are not white males.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Right, and that's just the way that it is, because in big business, most of big business is run by white males.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: And does it mean that they don't want to give opportunity to blacks or whomever?
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: That's not what we're saying.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: What we're saying is privilege is when people tend to like kind of gravitate naturally to people that look like them, talk like them, act like them, and that's just human nature.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: And so what's very important is understanding that, like you're doing now from that perspective, and what I do is I understand that as well, but I don't allow it to be an excuse for me not to go out and get what I want in life either.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: So just because I don't have the same skin tone as you do, maybe the same background you do, maybe some of the same opportunities you do, doesn't mean I can't create my own, doesn't mean I can't go after what I want in life.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: So when I hear privilege, that's true to some degree for some people if it depends upon where you are or what you want, right, that's true.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, privilege doesn't mean that you as a person who's not quote unquote privileged, can't still have what you want.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: It just means you have to kind of go another way, sometimes another lane, another alley, another turn, and that's I mean.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: That's just what it is.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I mean like now again, for me, like when our podcast started you know our podcast, which is now in the top half percent most popular worldwide A lot of people who weren't athletes weren't really coming on our show.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I mean again, so you know that's.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You know, because I'm an African-American, I interviewed a lot of my athlete brotherhood in the beginning because I knew them, I was comfortable with them, I was just starting out, I didn't know how to hold conversation, I didn't know to have the back and forth dialogue I do now, and so I wasn't as polished as I am now.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: But now, two and a half years going forward, I can interview anybody and I interviewed Sebastian Bach, formerly singer of Skid Row, a couple of weeks ago.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Scott Page and Pink Floyd to David Archuleta, former American Idol, came in second to Kelly Clarkson.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: You know all these type of people because I have learned how to just be a better communicator and be able to connect with people from all backgrounds, from all different types and different ways of life.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Wow, I love that One thing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I was going to just finish on that thought about privilege, one of the things that he talked about and helped me grow.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: When I was in college I played with Hawaiians, samoans, african Americans, but I wasn't curious or patient enough, marcus, to slow down and ask more questions about like hey, what was life like for you man?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: We were just like teammates and balling and doing our thing and he really made me stop and after, like in season two and season three, I went and interviewed every team that I could think of of that didn't look like me and I wanted to just get curious and I asked him questions and they were like, so grateful and to me it was just like.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: It was almost like this relief of like man, how did I not do this earlier?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: But without Dale that doesn't get unlocked and uh, like I I was.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm 48 years old.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I'll never solve racism when I'm alive, but if I can put a dent into it, dent, dent into it, and just chip away and just open people's eyes and look at things differently.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And the the the most beneficial part of Dale when I met him was, um, I interviewed him in the height of Black Lives Matter.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Right when it was like things were tense for everybody and I said I want to interview you live on YouTube.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: We're going to do this thing.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And I want to know from a white dad talking to a black dad, like, what's it like to be a dad right now?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Like, what are you saying to your kids during this social unrest?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: He's like, let's do it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And I said I asked for your grace, like I might.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to say, but I just want to go in as vulnerable as possible.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And it was the best thing, man, it was like I invited my mom, my stepdad, my former athlete teammates, I invited coaches who have coached me.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get as impact as many people as we could.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: So anytime I get a chance to talk about Dale obviously he's close to my heart and talk about Dale, obviously it's he's a close to my heart and I just love giving the guy love because he's, I think, the world of him.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I know it's not what we're here to talk about, but you like sparked it when you were telling your story.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: So, um, okay.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: So respect, respect yourself, respect men and women, educate over sports you.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Then you get to college, um, your, your dad banker, paving the way for many, for many, setting an example, doing great things.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: You get to Howard, you get to the league and then, after that, life starts hitting you in the face a little bit.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So I ended up having a really hard time adjusting after the NFL, and then I finally got off the couch and stopped, you know, looking for people to hand me stuff and say, hey, I was like I was.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I was feeling privileged for being an athlete.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Why don't you want to work with me?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Why don't you want to help me?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I'm a retired NFL player.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: You should walk me around.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Well, that's does it mean anything?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That's retired.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That's not who I am now.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: That's who I was, and so many people focus on who they were and not who they are.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And so I finally got into who I was and I started Caden Premier Enterprises.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: We became the largest African-American owned subcontractor in the city of.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Baltimore and the state of Maryland for two years in site work earthwork, concrete demolition.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: We crushed it, but unfortunately I didn't have my dad around to help keep me in check.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: To respect myself, I didn't hire a business coach which I should have and my ego just got enormous.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It got monstrous.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: It became Marcus, marcus and more about Marcus and because of that, casey, I ended up making a lot of mistakes, treating my people poorly and I ended up losing everything that I owned.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: In 2013 because I made a mistake of trusting a client contractor, developer that I shouldn't have.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I did about $3 million of work.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Contracted developer that I shouldn't have I did about $3 million of work.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: My developer's change order that I put in for it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: They denied it because it wasn't signed, which was my fault, and then, two days before Christmas in 2012, the bank tells me they're shutting down my line and it's over Done.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: All my lines of credit, my equipment line, everything froze stopped, shut down and oh, by the way, they were saying the beginning of January 2013,.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: They were going to come after whatever they could.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: So basically, that was two days before Christmas.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I was told that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So I had Christmas that year, knowing I was about to lose everything.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: January that year, I had to start trying to pack things up, try to do things quietly and get out of Dodge.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: And finally got out of Dodge April 2013, moved to Raleigh, had $400 to my name and that's all I had and I literally was bankrupt.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I was, I was broke, I was almost homeless.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I was so broke, I was so destitute.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I had four hundred dollars to my name.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even pay the bankruptcy full fee of thirty three hundred dollars to take care of that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: To protect me from five and a half million dollars of debt me from five and a half million dollars of debt I had to piecemeal it and I finally got a position to get it paid off in September 2013.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And that's when I hit rock bottom after being fired from two jobs in the same week.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I worked as a custodian in downtown Raleigh and I had my rock bottom moment with somebody's trash nasty, maggot filled garbage, gets all over me on my ship and I clean myself up and I cry on a curb right by that trash can.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And I realized that I had no accountability, no responsibility in my life for my people, for myself, for my business.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I was all about everything money, fame, notoriety.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I was not about getting value to people, I wasn't about relationships, I wasn't about helping people, and it cost me everything.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And after that moment, that's when I said I got to do better, I got to get my life together and I started trying to speak in September 2013.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Didn't get a paid job until April 2016.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Got that paid job, got coached, got developed, made some great relationships and then, next thing, you know now what's that?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Eight years, eight and a half years since our first paid job.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: We've worked for over 70 Fortune 500 brands as a speaker, four-time bestselling author and actually about to be part of another book that could probably be an international bestseller.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And then I have a podcast speaking, coaching, consulting.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But then again I said everything was going well.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Then I got divorced in 2022.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Had to move into an apartment November 1st 2022.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Dilapidated, broken down, garbage infested, just absolutely nasty and atrocious.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Moved into that apartment and for about two and a half months I was just in a horrible mental state.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: January of 2023, I said enough's enough.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I got to get myself back into what I do well my business, my relationships, my people, my network dug in and then I bought my dream home May of 2023.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And now business is better, I'm having healthy relationships and I'm just about helping people move forward in their life.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: How well, jesus man, talk about.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: You've had enough adversity, Don't be signing up for any more.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean damn.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So you know everybody's different.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Some people have, whether it's faith, higher power.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: They're either the religious, spiritual.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Some people have therapy For the dad at home that's struggling, that's listening to this, and then he's like they're like.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: They're like damn, I'm stuck, I don't know how to get out of it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Like, can you think back to what you?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: What was those first steps to get you out of that mindset, to reverse your tracks?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: First thing I did was I really thought about what is my talent or my craft right that I can do well right, Pursuing your passion is great, but sometimes pursuing your passion, you may not be good at it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: So if you're not really good at it, it's hard to sustain it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So I really realized that, you know, I was struggling and I was down the dumps and I was this feeling blue that I was really good at communicating and I was this feeling blue that I was really good at communicating, really good at communicating.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And so that's when I said, OK, let's try to start speaking.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So that was a tout that I had.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Now, of course, I was wrong, I didn't know what the heck I was doing and I struggled, Right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But there's a great quote by Rutherford B Hayes Every expert was once a beginner.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And so that's what I realized is I had to go through the struggles, the trials, the tribulations to get where I'm at today.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: So, if you're a dad that's struggling, figure out what is your talent, what is your craft that you're good at, and then lean into that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Don't think about, don't focus on what you're not good at.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Think about and focus on what you are good at and then as you perfect that talent and that craft and you get more passionate about it, then you're in what I call the zone, because then you're doing what you love from a craft perspective or a talent perspective.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Then you're passionate about it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Then, after that, boom again, like me, like I started speaking what?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: 2013, 11, a little over 11 years ago.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't make a dime in the first two and a half years years.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Now I do well, but again, I was always chasing, I was always pursuing my talent, which then eventually, within very quick time, became my passion.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I think and I believe I believe everything you said, because I believe everybody on this earth has a gift and we were all.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: We all have gifts and talents.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the mind can be the biggest asset.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: It also can be the biggest weakness, because sometimes we love that the self-talk kicks in.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: All the work I do, my coaching around, is mindset work for people.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: But one of the things I love you said is just if dad, if you're, if you're home, if you're a dad, a homeless, embrace that.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Embrace that when he said what Marcus said, because you do have a gift and you do have something positive to say, and I and I hope the one thing that's hitting everybody in the face and slowing us down is Marcus's vulnerability is so inspiring, because it's easy to be able to say, to not want to talk about these things, but we're all flawed, every one of us on this earth, and we all, I always like to say, might as well stay humble, because life's going to humble us anyways.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Um, so how do you?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: One thing I love to know is for how, how do you stay like from the journey you've been through?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: How do you stay now humble to go down this path Because you're, you're rolling now?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: That's real easy, my good friend.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: When you lose everything, you appreciate everything.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I do very well financially.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: We as a brand do very well.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm the same guy, love it, same guy.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to change.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm speaking in front of 10,000 people, like I was in Vegas, or if I'm going to Destin, florida, for a huge mastermind with high, high, ultra network dentists.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: That are all seven, eight figure people.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I have a seven figure business, but I don't act like it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I don't carry myself.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I carry myself as just an individual who is proud of who he is, where he's come from and his journey.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And when you lose everything, you appreciate everything.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter to me what I make, what I do.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: We're building this super awesome mindset community and so many people want to be a part of it, so many.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It could do so many great things helping so many people.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: All types of financial opportunity Like it's endless.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: No matter how big it gets, I'm still the same guy.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So again, when you lose everything, you appreciate everything.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I went through a lot of adversity.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: When I was 17 years old in sports.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I had a big injury and a lot of times I've talked about this on this podcast before, but just the spirit of time won't go into it, but like it that's kept me humble my whole life.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And then in my corporate group markets, I remember that I was a part of a deal, one of the biggest deals in our company history, and then it fell apart like three months later.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Not nothing that I did or didn't do.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: It was a budget shit show from a client I was working with and the vice president I worked with.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: He said Case, the day you won it, the day you lost it you're the same dude, thank you.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And when I hear that stuff, that inspires me and motivates me more than anything.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So I love that the universe has brought us together because I think we think alike along those same lines.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Curious how much of your I think we think like along those same lines, have you?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm curious.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Have you shared?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: how much of your story have you shared with your girls?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: My 20-year-old knows everything, I mean she.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: You know, farrah knows a little bit because she actually heard me speak in Phoenix, but at 10, I mean she gets it but not.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: But Ava knows everything, like when we moved here, how broke we were, how hard it was, how we had no money, how I was fired from two jobs, how I had to start over.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You know, ava knows it all.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Ava knows it all and she even knows why we divorced.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: We had that conversation and that was not easy.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And it was not easy because she didn't believe me at first.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like no, that's what happened.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: And she just didn't want to believe it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And then once she found it was true, then she's like okay, dad, I'm sorry and it's that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So with my 20 year old it's no holds barred.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite horrible 80s movies with Hulk Hogan in it is no Holds Barred.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And with my girls it's no Holds Barred, especially Ava and Farrah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: She knows all things business-wise.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I haven't talked to her about the divorce, like she's a little young for that.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but business-wise, what I've gone through and the struggles and all that, oh yeah, farrah is very aware maybe not to the magnitude you know of like comprehension full for 10, but she knows that daddy lost a lot of his money and daddy had to start over and daddy was like poor and all that kind of stuff.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm sorry.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: You've always, ever had to go through these struggles, man, but you are um.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Your story is is it's not surprised me why you're having success on the speaker circuit.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: It's not surprising why people want to hear you talk and cause I think I don't I don't I've talked to you now twice, but you were as real as they get my man and um, it's inspiring for others and I hope that um other dads at home can take some from our conversation, specifically the things your dad taught you.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Um, now that you're teaching your daughters and um, I just, I just think that there's always a there's always a way to to make a shitty day today better tomorrow.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Um, I always say the sun's going to come up tomorrow, whether we want, whether you, and no matter how bad, today is the best part about tomorrow.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: It's a new day.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: It's a new day.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I said I had three sales calls.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: One got all of them got pushed.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: One got pushed to Monday trying to close for a sponsor.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: One got pushed to next Thursday.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: One didn't even take my call.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I saw her in Vegas.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: We had a great conversation.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I thought she was excited.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I called her no show.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's today.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow, new day, right, and that's what I tell people.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Mindset the ability to condition your mind to believe what your heart knows, is achievable.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite quotes on mindset from Bruce Lee.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Don't tell yourself.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: My favorite quotes on mindset from Bruce Lee.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Don't tell yourself, don't tell your mind negative thoughts in a joking manner.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Your body cannot dissimilate the difference.
• 34:21
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• 34:32
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• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Through our three lines of business ClearEdge Marketing, recruiting and Rising that help organizations across the recruitment and HR tech sectors grow their brands and market share while building their teams with excellence and equity.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I believe we were one of Casey's very first clients.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: He helped our sales and account teams really those people on the front lines of building and developing client relationships in so many ways.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Here are a few.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: He helped us unlock the power of curiosity.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: For me it was a game changer.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I was personally learning all about TED-based that's, tell, explain, describe, questioning and that really resonated with me.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: We also learned about unlocking the power of humility and unlocking the power of vulnerability.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Casey taught us to be a team player, to embrace change, to stay positive.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: He is one of the most positive people I know.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: He believes that optimism, resilience and a sense of humor can go a long way in helping people achieve their goals and overcome obstacles.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And I agree.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Casey's book Win the Relationship, not the Deal.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: It is a must read.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Listen, whether you're looking for coaching and training or a powerful speaker or keynote.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Casey is one of the people I recommend when talking to companies.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: The end result for us, at least as one of Casey's clients our own clients would literally commend our approach over all other companies From the way we were prepared in advance of a call to how we drove meetings to how we follow up.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: It sounds really basic, I know, but let me tell you it is a standout approach that led to stronger relationships.
• 36:13
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• 36:17
  Speaker 3: You have nothing to lose by having a conversation and a lot to gain.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Now let's get back to Casey's podcast, the Quarterback Dadcast.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Gold.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Well, let me give you five, let me give you some more stuff so that we can share our wisdom together.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: That people, people taught us.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I teach like sales teams and corporations.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I teach my kids this.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But I say have you ever heard people swearing like MF or F or hear some bad words?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I said I'm going to teach you five new swear words, which is need to, should, to, want to, have to and can't.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Those are the worst swear words ever because they create anxiety, they don't create a plan.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And I like to tell them stories because I think it connects thoughts together.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So I imagine, like, how often would you jump in an airplane with a pilot and says and you have to take off, he or she gets on the mic around you know 10,000 feet.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: And they're like man, hey, welcome to a flight.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: One, two, three, hey, man, I should file a flight plan.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I need to do that.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta, I gotta get going on that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: And you'd be like what the hell You'd be, I'd be freaked out.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: But it's like why do we let our minds do that?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: And so, like I'm, I like teaching the power of I will and writing it down so we can see it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Um, so I think so much about that is about, just like you know, setting expectations and seeing the growth.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: So I love that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Your mindset too.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know we got to get wrapped up here because you got to get going, but how do people?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: How can I make?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: How can I help people find you?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: What's the Great question?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: My friend.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: We have an app called the Marcus Ogden app M-A-R-C-U-E-S-O-G-D-E-N.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Go to your app store on your Apple or Android phone.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Type it in bam.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: You can follow us to our website, which is wwwmarcusogdencom.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: You can shoot me an email, marcus at marcusogdencom.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You can connect with us on social.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: On LinkedIn, it's Marcus Ogden.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Instagram at Marcus Ogden.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Facebook Marcus Ogden.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: We love to communicate and to connect with amazing people that just want to share and just want to help others succeed.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: All this will be tagged in the show notes Before we get into the fun lightning round, which I go really random on you and show the negative hits and take the hits not bong hits, but football hits in college.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: If you were to summarize what we talked about today, marcus, that dads can take other than the great advice you talked about, you know respect yourself, respect men or women and educational supports, if you had to summarize kind of three themes, two or three themes that dads can take from our conversation to to really check themselves, look themselves in the mirror and be that ultimate quarterback or leader of their home, tell me what comes to mind.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you one thing, Casey, because it all sums up in one aspect.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Bet on yourself.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Let's go Bet on you.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Anytime you bet on you, you can always win.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Anytime you don't bet on yourself, don't believe in yourself, don't have confidence in yourself, you are going to end up not getting what you want in life.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: So this conversation was all about bet on you Love it, man?
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I got to, if you're.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: If you're watching this on YouTube, everybody, you see the belief sign behind me.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: There's a little Ted Lasso theme.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: But I ask myself often sit through self-talk, do you believe what you do matters?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And when you believe what you do matters, it gives you this unleashed, unlocked superpowers.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And I love that you brought up the word believe again, which, again to me, is serendipitous that we met.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: So thank you.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, lightning round.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: My job is to ask you questions quickly.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: My job is to try to get you to laugh.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Your job is to not laugh and answer these questions as quickly as you can.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, true or false.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Once at Howard, you kicked a 48 yard field goal False.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I almost laughed at that one because I just the visual of you doing that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: True or false.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: You hit the sled earlier today.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, true or false.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: You hold the deadlift record at Howard by 1200 pounds False.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, if I went into your phone right now, what would be the one song that might shock your daughters?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: It ain't my fault, but I still have the shocker.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, if I came to the house tonight, what would we have for dinner?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Spaghetti, oh I love spaghetti Meatballs.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, nice, nice, I bet it would be an old Lima.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: You're going to feed me well, sure.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Um, if you were to take the girls on vacation right now, where would we go?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Cabo Mexico, okay, love Cabo.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Um, if there was to be a book written about your life, tell me the title.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Mindset matters, mindset matters.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: All right Now, marcus.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Mindset matters, mindset matters, all right Now, marcus.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Mindset matters.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I know you know this cause, you believe, but this, this book selling out everywhere, every, every, every airport.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Every bookstore cannot keep this book on the shelves.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: And so now Netflix has found out about it and they're going to make a movie, and you are the casting director.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I need to know who's going to star Marcus Ogden in this new hit.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: That's easy Denzel Washington.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Ogden in this new hit, that's easy Denzel Washington, denzel, I love Denzel.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, and then last question Tell me two words that would describe your daughters Brilliant, kind, brilliant and kind.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: All right, lightning rounds over.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I giggled at my own jokes, which is that's what dads do we laugh at our own stuff.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: At least someone laughed at it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: It's been an honor spending time with you.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I my cup is filled.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for you, what you're doing in the world, man, and when I started this podcast nearly five and a half years ago, the goal was to have vulnerable conversations and remind dads, no matter if you're an NFL player, corporate guy like me, turn entrepreneur.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Our kids really don't care.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: What they care about is are you the best dad possible?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Can you get me to Susie's house?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Can we go get ice cream?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, can we go take a walk?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Hey, can we go see that new movie?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And so it's reminding dads stay humble, stay vulnerable, stay curious.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And you are leading from the front, brother.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I want to say thank you so much and I'm grateful for our time together today.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on my friend, it was awesome.