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Krista Rice | The Christian Reeve Podcast #180 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian re
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  podcast. Today's guest is a professional
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  care and artist and writer from the UK, her name is Christa
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  rice. Welcome to the show.
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  How you doing? Hey, I'm good.
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  Thank you. How are you?
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  I'm very good. Thank you.
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  So, you're finally on the show to give people listening some
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  context, who may not be aware. Krista has been a friend and
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  follower of mine for maybe a year and a half.
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  Now maybe long say Something like that.
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  Yeah, before we get into you, I'm just curious because you
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  were very eager to get on the show.
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  Why why, why did you want to be on the show?
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  I'm interested to be fair to start with it.
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  Did actually start out like as a joke because I thought, ya know,
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  there is no way that I'm ever going to do anything.
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  No. But then it was just like, you
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  know what to be, could be fun. So why not?
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  Okay. So just that to have a good
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  conversation and stuff from all right, wicked, wicked, wicked.
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  So there's normally you know everyone knows that I do a lot
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  of research of my guests and I've got like a certain way that
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  I go about this and there's a lot of different directions that
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  we can go today and I'm going to try and cover them all.
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  So I'm going to start today with your artwork.
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  How did you get into arts and who are your sources of
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  inspiration? Oh so obviously I've done at
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  school didn't take it as a GCSE because I was told not to would
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  you mean? Well I was told not to because I
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  have friends in older years and they had taken our and they were
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  like don't bother there is absolutely no point so I didn't
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  bother but I've always enjoyed drawing.
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  I think it's something that like you can like really Croissant.
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  And but it's a way that likes better steps.
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  Always to like improve yourself as well.
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  Yeah, look at that. Look at that.
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  There's a lot of things that I like in life to that have a
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  similar concept, like skateboarding.
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  I think I've said this before, like I used to do skateboarding
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  years ago and I always liked the concept of how it taught you a
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  lot about life. As far as like, you know, know
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  you have simple stuff like never giving up but also things like
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  how trying a different technique or slightly tweaking, something
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  can have like, really really different results.
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  And I think with Like art. It's interesting because
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  obviously everyone has like their favorite way of drawing or
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  painting or whatever and then it's sometimes it's weird to
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  kind of combat the comfort zone and do something different that
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  maybe you're not used to. But then when you do it, maybe
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  you discover a newfound Talent, you didn't know about.
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  Yeah. But I got a pretty sure you a
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  little bit on this. Like they did your friends, not
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  saying it because I remember, GCSE art my scone, take it, but
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  I remember seeing people do it and complain about it and it
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  sounded awful like Oh, the key thing that I remember was two
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  things, one, it was a kid that I knew who was an amazing artist
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  like if he's not drawing for anime.
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  Now it's a crime because he was amazing.
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  Then I can only imagine how good he is now.
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  So he used to say that, they would try to force him to do
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  stuff that he wouldn't normally do, like it wasn't interested in
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  doing that kind of artwork, but obviously, that was kind of part
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  of the, I suppose the degree which not degree.
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  So, the lesson, which kind of in a way I kind of understood.
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  It's The court to do a subject like that where while it is
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  purely creative and it's but it's not the same as like
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  something like maths like Maps. You've got like a clear set of
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  questions or whatever that you need to study for equations or
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  whatever, and you complete them, and you get a score and then,
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  that's it, right? With our, the thing that I never
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  understood is like, it's all subjective.
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  So, when you're judging someone else's work to, what extent can
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  you? Really say that something is
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  like crap or good like gin and I mean, like, yes.
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  And I get like, maybe the the way they structured it would be.
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  Okay, so we want you to do cubism for example and then
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  let's say you fucked up and you just I don't know, it didn't
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  look like cubism maybe then you could judge them on that like to
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  the extent to which they mimicked, the artists work.
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  But then I don't know to me that just kind of sounds pointless
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  like okay you learn different ways of drawing and painting or
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  whatever. But at the same time you
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  probably never used We get f is but anyway, oh, and also that
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  there's apparently like a three-hour exam that's just
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  painting or drawing what? But I don't know, dude, what did
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  your friends say anything about? Like why it sucks so much and
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  why you should avoid it. Because I asked me, obviously,
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  what sort of art but I do like doing and I obviously I do more
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  portraits and anything, they aren't, you know?
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  They aren't sort of like, you know, Jackson Pollock's here,
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  you know what I mean? Like, really, really great, but,
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  but how do you get given a subject to draw?
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  You're wrong. They are very good.
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  I digress, but they're very good.
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  I know, I'll make sure to include a link to your stuff
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  down below. She's being very modest.
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  She's very, very good artist. So yeah, she's all you've made.
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  Drawings of me which thank you. And just blew my mind.
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  There was one. I think the last one that you
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  ever did of me actually stunned me as a wow.
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  Let's talk a little bit about that because you do it on.
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  Is it you do it on like a drawing app or a painting Gap or
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  something? Right?
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  Like it? Yes.
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  Yeah. Like how long does that take?
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  What's the process like for that?
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  I think it depends on what I'm doing and how focused I am
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  because there are some time Times that you can start a piece
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  and you've got your outline and everything else and then you
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  start, like maybe putting your colors in in your light, okay,
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  that's not looking too bad and then it will be one side of the
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  face. Looks slightly different to the
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  other and you're like, hmm. Like I know, obviously faces
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  aren't exactly symmetrical, but then, it's a bit like, yeah, I'm
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  just going to stop with this before I start getting annoyed
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  with it because It's not going the way I want it to, and then
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  sometimes you end up, you stop it completely and then you don't
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  go back to it. But then there are other times
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  that you are sort of focused and your light actually I am really
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  enjoying this and I really want to get this done to me feels
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  exactly the same as songwriting. Like I can totally relate on
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  that it's there's some songs of yeah I just like now this is
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  shit and I don't ever bother finish it and there's other
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  times where it's like you do in 5 minutes and boom.
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  Yeah. Interesting.
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  You listen to music when you're painting right?
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  Or yes, just any in particular specific music, I think it
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  depends because I live So, a whole like range and variety of
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  music. So, if I stick my music on
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  shuffle for instance, and I can literally be listening to a
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  song. And I'm right, right?
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  Okay. Actually, like with this song
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  comes like, It's weird. It's like a, a vision of A a
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  form of art. Okay.
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  Would you been in the way of? I don't even know how to explain
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  it because I suppose it seems a bit weird.
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  It's like you listen to the music and you can even sit
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  there, you know, with your eyes closed. and then when listening
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  to it, you like Envision it You're talking about the are
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  like the the yeah, you envision the art while listening to the
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  music. Okay.
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  Yeah. Because this is kind of the next
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  question. I wanted to ask connecting to
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  this because I remember when I was a kid, my mom was an artist
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  and there were pieces of art hanging around all around the
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  bloody flat and I loved it. I loved it.
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  I was inspired. She used to take me to all these
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  art galleries and Stakes, but I think it explains a lot about
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  why I'm now. Just with our music and creative
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  things. I think it was.
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  I owe a lot to my mom. So thanks Mom.
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  If you ever see this, I don't think she listens to the show,
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  but if you do on the off-chance, thank you, love you.
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  She said that there were certain pieces of art like and I
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  remember there were pieces of art that she made that will, I
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  kind of disturbing and I was like, oh, you know what, what's
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  the message here? Or you know what What you trying
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  to convey with this. And while we were talking about
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  it should say that sometimes she'd be listening to certain
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  stuff and she should be like okay I was listening to like
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  Nirvana and Metallica and I made this and that's why this has
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  kind of got more of like a a darker vibe to it or whatever.
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  Like so I guess my question to you is to what extent do you
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  feel the music? You listen to Eva changes, the
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  moods you convey. In your artwork or like to what
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  extent does it kind of actually influence the artwork?
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  I think I would say. Again I think it also depends on
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  the mood gotten me and when I listen to the music.
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  So say like than I, my last piece, for instance, my popper
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  Emeritus for from Ghost, I listen to I was listening to
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  rest by on the spitalfields from ampera and I just had had like
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  this sort of, you know, vision and and then I was like, do you
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  know what? Actually, I suppose I could make
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  it album inspired. So I just literally carried on
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  like so started the album again. You know, going through every
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  song and then it was going through every song felt like it.
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  I did more. Okay.
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  Alright. Yeah.
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  I can do. I get it, I get it in the same
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  way that like an album. Often is is like a collection of
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  it's, an idea is, it's a concept, you listen to an app,
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  like okay, some albums and more obvious with that some lesser.
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  So and some are just a collection of songs from
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  together. Yeah.
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  Like for instance I'm a massive fan of Dream Theater, the band
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  for those, don't know sir, progressive metal band heavily
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  inspired by like Rush Pink Floyd bunch of other metal bands.
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  Anyway point is they love. They love their concept albums.
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  They do. And yes, they look, they love
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  them concept don't but I don't know why I'm didn't ask any way
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  they did this one hour, but this is how I discovered them.
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  They did this album called scenes from a memory and the
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  whole concept was that like it was a story woven into the whole
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  album about. I think it was like, I've always
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  is as it was like someone living past lives and going into
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  someone's dreams in order to kind of like discover the past
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  or that was a fascinating. Like I'm really for anyone who
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  you know, even if you're just not really into that music, just
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  check it out because it's interesting, but yeah.
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  And they've kind of they did it in such a way that you can
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  appreciate the songs on their own, but you can also appreciate
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  them as part of a wider narrative.
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  Yeah, just connecting it back to what we were talking about like
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  I suppose in a way When you're sitting down creating art and
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  you're listening to all those different songs and as you say,
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  they hid different points that there's like, maybe one song is,
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  it's particularly violent. And so those like shades of red
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  or whatever, odds on the artwork and then then then you get more
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  happier place and maybe it's shades of blue.
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  I don't know. I'm simplifying this.
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  I'm sure it's a lot more complex than that.
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  I don't know what the fuck that. Yeah.
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  Okay, is it like that? I don't know.
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  I suppose so say, for instance, again, using my last piece as an
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  example Why I had again, it was the idea of like Poplar Emeritus
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  for like, just being Papa and Papa.
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  Again, it was respite on the spitalfields really gave me like
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  the inspiration for it. And like, once I'd finished like
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  the main part of it, it then come back to like it was when
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  doing the background And honestly, that is on my favorite
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  bit about that because, again, listening to different songs,
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  gave me like different things to add.
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  So I'm pretty sure it was Hunter's Moon gave me the idea
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  to put a big glob in Moon behind him.
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  And then the fog around, I'm pretty sure was inspired by
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  Darkness from the heart. My love.
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  I'm pretty the rain was spillways.
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  Yeah, it was literally just adding more as it like, you
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  know, again it's just like listening to the music feeling
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  it. And taking them like feelings
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  and just a page. Awesome.
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  I mean, it's interesting. I've always found it fascinating
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  like people's creative processes because it's always so
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  different. Everyone's got different
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  approach in a different way of seeing things visualizing
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  things, it's intriguing. What, what are you trying to
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  achieve with this? Because I've always thought and
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  I know people listening to this, our friends will definitely
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  agree with me on this that, you know, you should.
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  I don't know, maybe the commissioner sell this in some
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  way. Try to monetize it like d, are
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  you thinking to do that, you want to do that?
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  You have any goals for this or is it just for fun?
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  Like what's the deal? Literally just one just because
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  I enjoy drawing and I'll put it out there and if someone likes
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  it someone likes it enough he couldn't be swayed into may be
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  doing. Ian's, I think you're really
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  good. I think it's, I don't know.
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  I think like you could really do something special with that
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  Lance. I think it depends on what the
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  commission's will be. Okay.
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  All right. So it's like a maze like a maybe
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  if the price was right, the project was right?
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  Yeah, it's a project was right? That's cool man.
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  I think I think is always more important to be more concerned
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  with the projects as opposed to the money, you know.
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  Yeah. Because you have to be happy
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  with what you're putting out. Let's flip to your writing.
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  So as you get into writing and what inspires your work again,
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  it's very sort of Music driven, okay?
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  It just like you can again, is that whole listening to a piece
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  of music and then you sort of I don't know, I feel the way that
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  I process it is via What it makes me feel what that piece of
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  music makes me feel because I feel like I'm a very light sort
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  of emotional person. Oh my God, my dogs like you do
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  because your dog, your dog, a goose grease.
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  My daughter, I raised my daughter.
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  He says, probably someone entering the building.
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  Oh my God. Right there with me, like two
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  seconds. The Isle of distractions like
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  this. Please please.
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  It would just be like a squirrel or some shit or just like it's
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  more than likely if not, she's just heard a car pull up.
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  That's it. Honestly, my dog is an absolute
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  nightmare. I love it.
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  But yeah. So going back to that.
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  I'm quite an emotional person when it comes to him very like
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  emotional driven. in, like the way that things make me feel,
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  whether it be like, I don't know, again, listening to a
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  piece of music, how do I feel when I listen to this piece of
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  music but with with the feelings, come again, like
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  different ideas and I also think it depends on I don't know.
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  Because I'm a person that does get obsessed with things quite
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  easily, like a very like, you know, attachable light like a
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  limpet but it's just sometimes it's like, putting into words.
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  How those, how you feel, or what, what something makes you
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  feel. I think it's odd because I don't
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  really talk about this sort of stuff.
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  So, to vocalize, it is a little bit.
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  I don't know how to put it into words because again, it's very
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  emotional driven. So it's very feeling driven know
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  I got, you been. I get him in.
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  I think sometimes there aren't words to explain it.
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  It's like, it's just, as you say it feeling and emotion.
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  Yeah, you can vary some Times. It'd be like it is because it do
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  indeed indeed. Indeed lead early okay Ned
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  Flanders fuck yeah and same question is before you know,
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  what was kind of like your process and approach to writing
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  but you have like a particular way method talk to us about
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  that. Again, it's that whole I can
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  start something and like never finish because I'll start
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  something and it'll be like, okay, so I'll start off maybe
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  with like, oh, this will be like a short story.
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  Hmm. And then it's like no, I'm okay
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  we can we can push a little bit further with this and then I'll
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  get like a little bit further and then it's like Yeah.
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  No, I don't know how to like segue into like this next back
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  or I'll have like a beginning and an end but not middle.
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  Hmm. Like I know how the beginning
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  starts. I know what I want in the end as
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  the outcome but I don't know how to get there.
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  Yeah I've heard some people say that it's good to work your way
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  backwards. Hmm.
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  I always wonder like It sounds straightforward but yeah because
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  I've tried writing stories before.
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  I'm not good at. I can do, poetry can do
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  songwriting, but I suck at writing books and I do always
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  amazed at how people do that. I've read your short stories and
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  they're really good. Obviously we've in some
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  instances, read them out even online, which is pretty cool.
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  Same here, dog is like you did what?
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  And he goes with the writing or is it same as your artwork.
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  So again it's just for fun. Usually, it's very
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  self-indulgent as it should be but I don't The amount of things
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  that I've started and not published, sometimes it only
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  literally goes to my best friend and like she'll read for them.
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  And sometimes she gives me ideas as well and she's like, I really
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  like this. But how about if you do it this
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  way instead or how about you can segue it by using x y and Zed?
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  And I'm like, yeah, that's great.
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  But you know most of the It is like I'll send it to her and
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  I'll be like, read this what you think it should be like.
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  Oh, that's that's, you know. That's, that's really good.
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  That's really cute. I'm not too sure on that one
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  because there are there are like different themes.
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  I do, I do like to touch up on upon some of them I wouldn't
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  say. Okay.
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  Maybe some of them are a little bit Cebu but not PG.
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  No, definitely not. But because it's over there and
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  I looked at some of them and I can't read this.
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  Yes literally it was really good.
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  They give ear o busy. But I can't read this and you're
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  like, oh, okay, nobody's, we never saw that one.
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  Tobias is good stuff. I mean, I think I think the
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  thing that interests me about you is because I get what I'm
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  getting, is that you do your artwork.
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  In your writing is almost like a form of therapy for you.
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  It's you, it's part of you, it's like fun and, and that's cool.
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  That's cool as fuck. If that's if that's what it is.
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  And that's all it is. It's cool.
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  You know, that doesn't, it doesn't have not everything you
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  do in life. Has to be something you turn
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  into, you know, something you monetize like that there are
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  things. I'm interested.
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  Like, poetry is a good example for me.
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  Like I have no 0 Ambitions to be like a professional poet, you
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  know? I just, I just write it
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  sometimes and it's like, yeah, you know, like, I don't know
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  playing games. Like I'd never want to be like a
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  professional. Like, for example, professional
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  gaming, like, Esports level, all that stuff.
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  Like to me, I don't get it. Like, I kind of do it a dome,
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  like, Member, I actually met someone who I work with when I
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  was younger. Who did these competitions?
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  Like a, and it's basically, like this was back in the Cod 4 days,
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  OG days Xbox 360 where my where my posse are that's who do that.
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  But, no in all seriousness, like, he remember him telling me
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  that he got to fly it to like LA and, you know, compete
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  competitively and do all this cool stuff.
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  And I saw, that's awesome. And I was intrigued.
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  I was like, well, do you And it's like a dumb question, but
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  as I do, you still enjoy playing the game and he was like,
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  honestly like it's a difficult question to answer because it's
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  kind of like, yes and no. Yes, in the sense that he
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  enjoys, the competitive nature in it, but knowing the sense
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  that like just playing for fun is not really something he could
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  do. Like the fun is kind of sucked
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  out of it. And I think that's always the
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  danger when you try to monetize things.
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  Like I've had to kind of Writing things back a little bit myself.
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  Like obviously you know, my frustrations with everything I
• 23:59
  do online and stuff and while my goal is to be like a
• 24:03
  professional actor, that's what I want to do.
• 24:04
  That's my goal in life, other things like content, Creation in
• 24:10
  the podcast and stuff. Like I want them to succeed and
• 24:14
  when they don't I get like a bit sad about it, but then I've had
• 24:18
  a lot of people yourself included have just kind of been
• 24:20
  like wool, why don't you focus? More on that.
• 24:24
  What you love about this? And make that your focus rather
• 24:27
  than just always worrying about the numbers and stuff.
• 24:28
  And it's difficult for me specifically, because I've maybe
• 24:34
  this comes from my business background like I just said, I'm
• 24:37
  obsessed with numbers. I find it interesting.
• 24:40
  You know, you learn a lot about that sort of stuff.
• 24:42
  For example, the majority of people that listen to the show
• 24:45
  are female. Hello there, ladies got speak
• 24:48
  properly. Yeah, and they're not smart to
• 24:51
  English. Yeah.
• 24:52
  It's very comfy. Impute between the ages of about
• 24:56
  18 to 40, you know, that's something that is interesting to
• 25:00
  me because that's interesting. So it appeals to this
• 25:02
  demographic, specifically it's more.
• 25:04
  What about this is more appealing to women than it would
• 25:07
  be to meant? What is this?
• 25:08
  That's more appealing to people between these ages, you know,
• 25:10
  stuff like that, fascinates me. But then, obviously inevitably
• 25:14
  you're like comparing yourself to others sometimes or you're
• 25:17
  like, ah, you know, I wish this was doing but I wish more people
• 25:20
  were hearing it, that's always my biggest thing is, I wish that
• 25:24
  more people would hear the show because I think that the
• 25:28
  conversations and I've thrown off this is just my opinion but
• 25:31
  I always come away from this show every time feeling like
• 25:36
  I've gained something I've learned something.
• 25:39
  You know I've enjoyed a conversation I've had with
• 25:41
  someone, you know like that's how I feel.
• 25:44
  Yeah and people that listen to the show have communicated that
• 25:49
  to so I know it's not just me but to get back to the point.
• 25:53
  Like it's it's difficult sometimes to, you know, to not
• 25:58
  focus on that number stuff and to lose sight of the fact that
• 26:01
  like, you know, why did I want to do a podcast initially
• 26:05
  because I just wanted to just wanted to which brings me to my
• 26:09
  next point. I actually wanted to initially
• 26:12
  do a wrestling podcast and I have done since I appeared on
• 26:19
  someone show, a few episodes shout, the chi guy.
• 26:23
  And against the mat wrestling podcast.
• 26:26
  And I quickly realized that my concern about It ultimately led
• 26:31
  to my ability to not do it which is that there's so much
• 26:36
  wrestling out there. There's so much.
• 26:38
  It's just impossible to keep up with all of it.
• 26:40
  So what do you have to do? You have to choose and a lot of
• 26:42
  people do that. But if you're doing a wrestling
• 26:44
  podcast in the sea of other wrestling podcasts that are out
• 26:48
  there, it's very difficult to differentiate yourself and a lot
• 26:52
  of people do the whole watching wrestling on the regular basis,
• 26:55
  blah blah, blah. Point is, I couldn't do that on
• 26:59
  a regular basis as I, okay? Well, at least I can say, I've
• 27:02
  ticked that box and then I tried even now I'm not really keeping
• 27:08
  up with wrestling. I kind of jump in and out
• 27:10
  dipping down. Your wrestling fan has 8.
• 27:16
  So my and we've spoken about it often and it's quite funny
• 27:21
  because no one else and our friend group is a wrestling fan.
• 27:24
  So sometimes they have no fucking idea what we're talking
• 27:26
  about. Took hours for this shit.
• 27:29
  Yeah. So for anyone listening now that
• 27:31
  my own oppressed like again God is gets on my rest.
• 27:36
  Yeah, let's go by wrestling, guys.
• 27:39
  How did you get interested? It was actually my partner.
• 27:44
  Oh, like properly. So when I was younger, I
• 27:48
  watched, it sort of like inspections but I want my mum
• 27:52
  and dad, I'd say 60. Wow.
• 27:56
  Really. Oh yeah.
• 27:57
  So I bought it sort of inspects and Sparks, it wasn't always
• 28:03
  consistent. And then obviously, like my mom
• 28:09
  and dad used to buy a like the games and stuff on like PS2 and
• 28:15
  obviously enjoyed that. And yeah, it wasn't until I got
• 28:20
  with Shane like I've got like properly into it.
• 28:23
  Mmm, Is he still a big wrestling fan?
• 28:27
  Um, not so much anymore. Again, it's that whole like
• 28:32
  there's so much going on. Yeah, like we watched like maybe
• 28:37
  like a couple of matches. Obviously, usually we end up
• 28:39
  getting like we watch WrestleMania.
• 28:41
  Yeah. And like Royal Rumble and stuff
• 28:44
  like that. But yeah.
• 28:47
  I think it just I think it just depends.
• 28:49
  I mean if there is like a good-looking much like we've
• 28:52
  followed the storyline or not, if There is a good-looking match
• 28:55
  for like, yeah, we're gonna watch out.
• 28:57
  So I think this is an important Point as well because there's a
• 29:00
  lot of conversations out there about modern wrestling and how
• 29:05
  it compares to say the attitude error or gold mirror, or
• 29:09
  whatever, the case may be different areas in professional
• 29:12
  wrestling and I'm the same as you WrestleMania season.
• 29:16
  So for those who don't know, the WWE the biggest wrestling
• 29:20
  company in the world, basically operates what they call.
• 29:24
  Many a season between January to April time.
• 29:28
  So that covers a span of four months.
• 29:30
  The first pay-per-view is the Royal Rumble, which is a really
• 29:34
  awesome concept. We're basically 30 men and 30
• 29:38
  women get into a ring and for each other over the top rope and
• 29:41
  it's quite fun and you get a lot of people entering those matches
• 29:45
  that maybe you haven't seen in many years, you get people
• 29:48
  debuting. You get all sorts of crazy
• 29:51
  Antics. And it's always different.
• 29:52
  And it's just a breath of fresh air.
• 29:54
  Amongst the other wrestling stuff that they do.
• 29:57
  The reason it's called WrestleMania season is, is
• 29:59
  because it's all building up to WrestleMania the biggest show in
• 30:05
  professional wrestling, kind of considered the Super Bowl of
• 30:08
  professional wrestling. And yeah, I mean I suppose it's
• 30:14
  cool. Wasn't it?
• 30:14
  That you normally the Royal Rumble sets up like a new
• 30:17
  Superstar or someone that's deserve to be at the top, which
• 30:21
  finally gets that opportunity and there's I don't know.
• 30:24
  I feel like maybe I don't know if you how you, if you agree
• 30:27
  with me on this or not, but I feel like everything outside of
• 30:30
  WrestleMania season just doesn't compare in terms of excitement.
• 30:35
  And you know, like it says it's like you said like I'm always
• 30:39
  right, right? Right now I'm kind of glancing
• 30:41
  at what's going on in weawwy ever.
• 30:43
  And if there's a particular match that looks really good or
• 30:47
  I'll go out of my way to see, I'll keep up to.
• 30:49
  I'm always up to date, I know what's going on.
• 30:50
  I just want to say really go watch the weekly television.
• 30:54
  Hmm, But this kind of brings me back to like the initial point
• 30:57
  about how resting is changed. Like back in the day, do you
• 31:02
  know, Raw and SmackDown for WWE or tiene or whatever that was
• 31:06
  like, must-see television and you wanted to watch it every
• 31:10
  single week. And yeah, these days, I gotta be
• 31:13
  honest. Like there is, don't get me
• 31:14
  wrong, there was good television and there's good moments, but I
• 31:17
  feel like it's A lot of it's a slug like Roar is like three
• 31:22
  hours long and that when you've got a work that work at a career
• 31:26
  and hmm responsibilities. I mean look for example let's
• 31:30
  say you wanted to watch aw and WWE in its entirety.
• 31:35
  Okay? Just for argument's sake so
• 31:37
  that's 33 hours of raw two hours of SmackDown, that's five hours,
• 31:42
  right? And they've got that 2005 Live
• 31:44
  show, which I think that's the right size, six hours.
• 31:48
  And then you've Got NXT, which is two hours, right?
• 31:52
  So that's eight hours. And then fuck me.
• 31:56
  So, eight hours of Television just for WWE and then aw two
• 32:01
  hours Dynamite then you've got. Was it Rampage?
• 32:05
  That's three hours. Which okay, fair enough, free
• 32:07
  hours of main television to catch up with that's not too
• 32:10
  bad. Yeah.
• 32:12
  And it but then there's like aw dark and if you could be dot
• 32:15
  elevation, which I don't think there's any point watching those
• 32:17
  shows there. Cheap shows, they do have like
• 32:21
  storylines and stuff occasionally, but mostly it's
• 32:24
  just a bunch of dark matches filler matches.
• 32:27
  So squash matches. So for those who don't know, the
• 32:29
  lingo basically squash matches are.
• 32:33
  Like, imagine I come into a ring and I just beat a guy up for 30
• 32:38
  seconds and pin him that's it. And there's no story and it's
• 32:42
  not really interesting. I mean, it's interesting.
• 32:44
  It's supposed to be like, oh wow.
• 32:45
  Look at this Behemoth destroying this guy but actually, it's just
• 32:48
  Kind of disappointing and I think the biggest thing it made
• 32:53
  me realize is that without Story.
• 32:56
  Wrestling is really boring. Yeah.
• 33:00
  You know, because like I know a lot of people will disagree with
• 33:02
  me on this and say, oh well, Christian wrestling's changed.
• 33:05
  Yeah, moving the times. It's just a much more athletic
• 33:09
  thing right now, but the thing is that look wrestling is
• 33:11
  entertainment. You know, if you're talking
• 33:14
  about like amateur wrestling and you know, stuff like that.
• 33:17
  Then fair enough. I agree.
• 33:18
  It's all about Sport. But professional wrestling at
• 33:21
  its core is about entertainment. That's what it's supposed to
• 33:24
  mean. And what's at the core of good
• 33:28
  entertainment is a good story. Yeah, you know.
• 33:30
  It's like it's not enough to just be like, oh, these two
• 33:32
  people are going to have a fight.
• 33:34
  Isn't that great? It's like know what I want to
• 33:36
  know why they want it. Like why do you want to beat
• 33:38
  each other up? Like sometimes it can be absurd
• 33:41
  like WrestleMania 18 Edge and Booker T had a fight over
• 33:46
  wanting to have a shampoo commercial.
• 33:48
  Shal. Yes, that was a fight.
• 33:51
  And you know what? It was a good fight and it was a
• 33:53
  funny fucking angle. And then you have other things
• 33:55
  where like, I don't know. People were like blood brothers.
• 33:59
  And it turns bitter and ugly, and it pays out over a long
• 34:02
  period of time. Or you know what, sometimes you
• 34:04
  get shoot stuff. Like, I don't know if you've
• 34:05
  been paying attention to what's going on in.
• 34:07
  Aw, right now. But there's this whole Ruckus
• 34:10
  we're seeing Punk was involved in a fight situation with Kenny
• 34:16
  Omega and the Young Bucks and it's All just a bit crazy in and
• 34:20
  there's people going, oh, it's a work, it's got to be a work.
• 34:22
  And, but basically, they all got suspended and it's looking like,
• 34:26
  maybe none of them will return. But if we know anything about
• 34:29
  wrestling, it's that These situations often get turned into
• 34:35
  money. It will be used in matches later
• 34:38
  down the line. If it doesn't, I think it's the
• 34:39
  biggest wasted opportunity of all time.
• 34:44
  Yeah. And to be fair bring it back to
• 34:46
  the general kind of idea of what we're talking about right now.
• 34:50
  It's that's the sort of stuff that keeps wrestling.
• 34:53
  I feel interesting and relevant these days but those moments are
• 34:57
  few and far between hmm where it used to be that most of
• 35:01
  wrestling. Like that.
• 35:02
  And you had a bit of silliness in a bit of Comedy, or whatever.
• 35:05
  Now, it's like, you got a lot of Comedy.
• 35:06
  You've got a lot of just, just endless matches of nothing.
• 35:12
  Like, I don't know. Like, maybe it's just me.
• 35:14
  But like, I feel like a lot of the wrestling that's out.
• 35:16
  There is just like just gymnastics routines.
• 35:20
  That is Jim cornette, connect puts it.
• 35:21
  Like it's just like you got to make me care about this that.
• 35:24
  Like if every move just looks like it's you know, I kicked you
• 35:29
  I kicked you in the face but you got straight back up and now
• 35:31
  you're For this move it's like this is yeah, what is this?
• 35:35
  Even I don't, I don't understand how I can care about this.
• 35:44
  Oh no, I totally get it because like I think it also goes back
• 35:48
  to that whole thing of like so in like the 70s and 80s even
• 35:52
  90s, you had like kayfabe, right?
• 35:56
  And it's that whole like, I don't know.
• 36:00
  For instance like Just explaining that it's like if you
• 36:04
  were to, I don't know, hit a hard move on Undertaker, but he
• 36:10
  just gets right back up and you're like, dude, that's that's
• 36:14
  going to hurt. Yeah.
• 36:15
  Like, you know, all that looks like that is supposed to hurt
• 36:19
  quite a lot and you're getting up like it's literally nothing.
• 36:25
  like, it doesn't feel as I can't even think of a way to explain
• 36:33
  it. Now, I get what you mean, but
• 36:35
  because it's about suspending, disbelief, isn't it?
• 36:38
  Yeah. Like we all know.
• 36:39
  It's not real. And as wrestling fans, I'm sure
• 36:42
  you've had this over the years. People always be like, don't,
• 36:45
  you know, it's fake. You're the heroes, you know,
• 36:47
  it's not real, right? And it's like, I know, I know
• 36:51
  you just don't get it, it's entertainment.
• 36:53
  It's not, it's not about if it's real or not like gonna be like,
• 36:57
  I don't want your movie and go, oh, it's not Captain America.
• 37:00
  He's real, wasn't a like no base, a bit, like when you
• 37:05
  really break it down, like wrestling is live action theater
• 37:08
  essentially? Yes.
• 37:09
  Yes. Actually, what it is of just
• 37:11
  like people beating each other up, to be fair.
• 37:14
  I don't think wrestling does itself any favors because
• 37:16
  wrestling off often people. In the industry will refer to it
• 37:19
  as a sport and it's like, it's not really though, is it?
• 37:22
  It's, it's so, I think see, okay?
• 37:26
  And its controversial. When Vince McMahon started
• 37:29
  coining the phrase Sports Moment Corvette, Sports entertainment.
• 37:32
  I think that spot on because it's like Jim cornette says
• 37:36
  wrestling is dead, like wrestling still exists in the
• 37:39
  Senate but it's still there. It's still pro wrestling but
• 37:42
  it's not wrestling like how it used to be.
• 37:45
  It's part of the whole point of professional wrestling was that
• 37:47
  you didn't know. It was a work.
• 37:49
  Yeah. Like you you weren't aware, or
• 37:52
  if you were aware, only a subsection of people were aware.
• 37:55
  Now, everyone's in on it. It's like, okay, fine and things
• 37:58
  have to change. Don't get me wrong, but there's
• 38:00
  a little Things you can do like, for example.
• 38:03
  And I think this has been done really well.
• 38:05
  Roman Reigns right now, you'll see he's pretty much always in
• 38:11
  character. Now, this is really good.
• 38:13
  Like if he's a press conference he would just be his Moody self
• 38:17
  dinner me and he kind of blurred the lines a little bit when he
• 38:20
  was on the Logan pool podcast, he kind of came out cat eat.
• 38:23
  It does come out coats and every once in a while.
• 38:25
  But I think I guess my point with this is that it's better
• 38:29
  like ideally you want to be looking mjf where you're just in
• 38:31
  character all the time, your And also at signings and stuff and
• 38:35
  hmm. See, that's great everyone, it's
• 38:38
  got it and here's a great thing about mjf, right?
• 38:40
  It's gotten to the point where people were not actually sure if
• 38:44
  he's an asshole or not. And that's brilliant, because
• 38:48
  it's like, everyone's order is great.
• 38:50
  It's great. It's just like, really, really
• 38:51
  good. Like, you commitment to Cafe,
• 38:53
  but it's like, no. No.
• 38:54
  He might actually be a asshole like that.
• 38:57
  That's actually him, but that's great.
• 39:00
  That's the magic of wrestling. That's what it should be.
• 39:02
  Yeah. But I do know, I can't count how
• 39:05
  many times I've been, like, really Amazed by what someone's
• 39:08
  done in the ring and how serious.
• 39:10
  They are an intense, they are, and then you see them do a
• 39:12
  fucking interview afterwards. They're like, oh yes.
• 39:15
  Okay, I'm going to give to this charity, and do this lovely
• 39:17
  words. And then I'm going to go to
• 39:18
  Disneyland and weekend. And it's like the are.
• 39:20
  Come on, you're supposed to be a hill.
• 39:23
  God damn it. Yeah, it's like, just like,
• 39:25
  can't you just? But then, but then here's the
• 39:28
  thing, like They are human beings and it's like I remember
• 39:35
  listening to that old. It's the infamous CM Punk shoot
• 39:41
  into visited back 2040. I've listened to it like a
• 39:43
  million times. It's just a work of art.
• 39:47
  What are the things that he said in it?
• 39:48
  Which I thought was very interesting was how you do you
• 39:51
  expect it to be this character like all the time.
• 39:55
  And that must get very jarring and tiring after a while and but
• 39:59
  And you blurs the lines in it because you are not that
• 40:02
  character. Yeah, you know, animate like
• 40:05
  it's like a magic legend of the actors had to do that.
• 40:07
  Imagine if, like, Tom Hiddleston had to just be low-key all the
• 40:11
  time, I would drive. You drive him nuts.
• 40:13
  He will want to know. Yeah, it's fine to just rock up
• 40:15
  to Comic-Con once in awhile. Be like I am lucky, you know?
• 40:18
  So that's fine. That's cool.
• 40:20
  Yeah, but like, if you had to just play that character the
• 40:22
  time that I don't know. That shit drive me nuts.
• 40:26
  Yeah, definitely definitely agree with that because then
• 40:29
  Those cause you probably got that conflict of, you know,
• 40:32
  obviously that you are playing a character, but there's that part
• 40:36
  of you that's like, but that's not me.
• 40:40
  That's not me. If that's not really.
• 40:42
  Oh, my God. Is that mean, I guess, what do
• 40:46
  you think makes a good wrestling match?
• 40:49
  Um, oh, Definitely as we've just discussed about like having a
• 40:58
  good storyline and like knowing like reasons why they're going
• 41:04
  to be fighting. Because sometimes you can get
• 41:06
  behind, either one or the other and you know who to root for.
• 41:12
  I also do think it's the interaction between the two
• 41:20
  superstars, how they lie. play off of each other, and Also, I
• 41:31
  think like crowd participation as well, yeah.
• 41:36
  Yeah, that Judo did you watch wrestling during the pandemic
• 41:39
  any chance? Yeah, like again like little
• 41:44
  bit, like I remember this, the biggest thing at taught me is
• 41:49
  just how important it is to have the crowd there.
• 41:52
  Yeah. Because like without the crowd,
• 41:54
  like it's not that it sucks because it didn't there was
• 41:57
  still some good stuff done, but it was very sometimes, things
• 42:02
  would fall on deaf ears, and it'd be very kind of, like, what
• 42:06
  would have worked with a crowd of people doesn't work if
• 42:09
  there's no one there. Yeah.
• 42:11
  And then Times x is odd. Like you just hear like someone
• 42:14
  shouting another guy. And you can hear the Echoes and
• 42:17
  like, maybe there's like it was really odd.
• 42:20
  And then other things were just like, I don't know.
• 42:24
  It was just, they were just instances that were, there was
• 42:26
  such a shame that would have been so much better with a
• 42:28
  crowd, you know? I like Brody, Brody lie in.
• 42:31
  Aw, you know, such a shame that I didn't He wasn't able to do
• 42:36
  that in front of a crowd for real people.
• 42:38
  Yeah, but yeah. I don't know.
• 42:40
  And it applies to other things as well.
• 42:42
  Like sports football matches. Without a crowd odd.
• 42:46
  Yes, under Sunday League was really hard.
• 42:50
  Yeah, yeah, it really does. Like, I feel like sometimes The
• 42:56
  crowd makes the match, you know like for instance and this has
• 43:00
  been said before, Millions times, one of my favorite
• 43:02
  matches of all time is the Rock vs.
• 43:04
  Hulk Hogan WrestleMania, 18, abuse it, you know, the match.
• 43:08
  Yeah, yeah, it's probably the best crowd of any wrestling
• 43:13
  match, ever. It's like 92,000 people in
• 43:17
  Toronto. Canada.
• 43:18
  It's insane. And if you just look at that
• 43:21
  what they do in the ring, like I said, from a technical Technical
• 43:25
  standpoint, I suppose, if they don't, particularly have a great
• 43:28
  resting a start, you know, Hulk Hogan, 50 years old doing is,
• 43:33
  you know, but he doesn't need to be as a thing about resting that
• 43:36
  I love is that you don't have to be an acrobatic extraordinaire.
• 43:42
  Like you can just kind of just do your thing and I mean the
• 43:44
  whole cooking built career offer a delight for 34 years.
• 43:47
  It was just a tell me something brother and the pythons and the
• 43:50
  leg drop. And that was it.
• 43:51
  That was his thing. Yeah, he could wrestle they're
• 43:54
  doing it like There's proof of him doing it in Japan and he was
• 43:57
  trained properly and everything, but it would make more sense and
• 44:00
  gotten more money and just worked all around to do his his
• 44:04
  stick, as they say. Yeah.
• 44:06
  And but the point is that that match was so heavily aided by
• 44:11
  the crowd. Like like if, if the crowd have
• 44:15
  been flat that night, I mean, it's impossible.
• 44:17
  If it had it would have been a very different match but people
• 44:20
  still talk to. It's about it to this day
• 44:21
  because it was, it was electric and there were other
• 44:24
  interesting. Things as well that that they
• 44:26
  had to call on the fly. Like for instance, The Rock in
• 44:29
  that match was supposed to be the good guy, but the baby
• 44:32
  faces. They call it and Hulk Hogan was
• 44:33
  the bad guy but there was no way in hell that everyone was
• 44:36
  booing. Hogan is it's his first time
• 44:39
  being in WWF WWE. Since I think 94 95, something
• 44:47
  like that. This was 2002, there's a long
• 44:50
  time and so they had to call it on the Fly and basically The
• 44:55
  Rock Had to kinda what Acca bad guy in that much.
• 44:58
  Yes. And there was even talk of
• 45:00
  possibly like calling an audible on the spot and basically maybe
• 45:04
  the rock losing but the rock won the match has planned and it
• 45:07
  worked out and they had a little altercation with the NWO
• 45:11
  afterwards and it was like, you know, team Rock and Hogan
• 45:13
  against, you know, then they you know it was, it was pro
• 45:18
  wrestling is best and you still see elements of that today, but
• 45:22
  I feel like it's few and far between you got like a few
• 45:25
  Matches here and there that like wrestling and like everything
• 45:27
  else is just like hmm. Okay.
• 45:31
  Okay. Like I try re I really try, I
• 45:36
  try I try hard to like it but I just I can't force myself to and
• 45:41
  that's fair though I totally get like where you are coming from
• 45:46
  because like you say, then moments are few and far between
• 45:49
  but there are times where you get like a really good match and
• 45:53
  you're like this. Is wrestling.
• 45:57
  For me, it was okay. I'm not a big fan of Kenny
• 46:02
  Omega, I'll be honest, I think he's amazing athlete.
• 46:06
  I just I don't want him in the box and you know Penta ceremony
• 46:14
  or do ever is fuck his name is changes every week.
• 46:17
  It does. It's just there's a lot of
• 46:20
  jumping around moves, not meaning.
• 46:22
  Anything like the only thing I've seen with Kenny Omega,
• 46:25
  that's actually in line. The wrestling is that, I think
• 46:29
  to the best of my knowledge, no one has kicked out of his
• 46:31
  finisher in. Aw.
• 46:33
  All that. Oh, maybe only one person has
• 46:36
  and that was always a thing in wrestling of like, protect the
• 46:38
  Finish. Because it's like, yeah, the
• 46:41
  move, you know, and you know he he's a personality, it's great,
• 46:48
  but I did not, I just always found it.
• 46:51
  Difficult watching his matches, they're very predictable.
• 46:53
  They're very, they go through the motions.
• 46:56
  It feels like there's an expression.
• 46:57
  In in resting of getting your shit in like you know getting
• 47:00
  all know, all your moves in the matches that you do everything.
• 47:03
  It's like that's not really what resting should be at its best
• 47:06
  and its best. It's like you you impress the
• 47:09
  audience but you tell a story. But when he had his match with
• 47:15
  Bryan, Danielson the first time and I think it was this was 20,
• 47:19
  21. Arthur Ashe Stadium.
• 47:21
  The aw Grand Slam. I think it was called now.
• 47:25
  Brand-new Bryan Danielson. Is like the best example of
• 47:29
  everything that I Restless should be.
• 47:31
  Yeah, it's just all right. Like he gets it like he's great
• 47:35
  in the ring. Everything means something he's
• 47:37
  great on the mic. He could tell a story, he could
• 47:40
  do it all. He's like if there's like a
• 47:43
  Mount Rushmore of like today's wrestlers, he's on it and he and
• 47:47
  everywhere he goes even in WWE where you know, for a long time,
• 47:51
  a lot of wrestlers, restrained, and find it difficult to move
• 47:53
  within that, like, he still made the best of it and made it work.
• 47:57
  Work for him and props to him, but bringing it back to this
• 48:00
  match. He got a good match out of Kenny
• 48:02
  Omega. That was a genuinely good match,
• 48:04
  but I feel like he had to kind of like or, you know, push that
• 48:08
  out. He had to mean that and be like,
• 48:10
  no, I'm in charge. I like the captain know.
• 48:15
  It works. It works.
• 48:16
  And yeah, there's other people that do it like CM Punk.
• 48:19
  Does it very well as like to, it's like the old guard.
• 48:23
  I worry that there's not many guys like that around girls
• 48:25
  around like that anymore. It's always people of a certain
• 48:28
  generation life. You want say to what the women
• 48:31
  Serena deeb is a good example, of a woman who gets it.
• 48:36
  But yeah, I feel like modern wrestlers these days.
• 48:40
  It's a few here and there, Austin Theory.
• 48:44
  He's exciting for on break from break.
• 48:48
  I'm sorry Rick. Steiner.
• 48:49
  He's a style. Come on, that's it.
• 48:52
  That's the biggest crock of shit out of that.
• 48:53
  There's a few things that annoy me.
• 48:55
  Okay. So rechsteiner that for Those
• 48:57
  don't know. Steiner family is like the
• 49:00
  Scott, Steiner raced, right? Well, what's the on rice?
• 49:04
  No, I'll come a name. Oh, this is bad.
• 49:08
  I'm a terrible fans scoffs that is Scott Steiners brother.
• 49:12
  Oh, ah, but brightness. Not bright as they were coming,
• 49:18
  but I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. Please don't beat me up.
• 49:21
  Steiner Brothers, okay, started rumors.
• 49:25
  So It's not Scott. The other one, had a son, has a
• 49:29
  son, and he's in WWE, and it's like, imagine if let's say you
• 49:37
  have like a bunch of ducks, right?
• 49:41
  This is such a bad and I do well, will be a bit example.
• 49:46
  It's like you can't hide what you are.
• 49:50
  You can try. You can try and tell me like oh
• 49:52
  that's that's not Steiner. No, no, but it's like bro.
• 49:56
  He talks like Scott Steiner and he moves that both of the
• 50:00
  Steiner Brothers in the Rick. He's a Steiner call him a
• 50:02
  fucking start. He's a Steiner.
• 50:03
  That's what he is. And he's exciting and he get,
• 50:06
  he's wrestling, he's gets you excited.
• 50:08
  That's a modern guy that gets it.
• 50:10
  I'm telling you. One day, the main event of
• 50:12
  WrestleMania will be Braun. Break rechsteiner bronstein at
• 50:18
  something Steiner versus Austin. See that right there is a can
• 50:22
  Main Event. If I ever heard one though, you
• 50:24
  could do that now in that big, great match, but They need time
• 50:27
  to build and become rivals or whatever.
• 50:30
  Also, I had to Google it just to make sure it is Rick Steiner,
• 50:33
  Rick, Steiner, Steiner, Rick Scott.
• 50:36
  I'm so sorry. Rick nice, good watch this.
• 50:39
  But yeah, yeah. So Ron breaker moves like Rick
• 50:45
  Talks like Scott, he's just it's amazing to watch but I just
• 50:50
  don't get how yww decided to take his name from him.
• 50:55
  I really hope they give it back to him one day and work down to
• 50:57
  a story that and the aw does it as well.
• 51:00
  There's this guy called Preston Vance or 10 is in this group
• 51:04
  called The Dark order and like. Okay, so the guy wears a mask,
• 51:08
  he's built like a brick shithouse.
• 51:10
  He's like six foot four, if you seen this guy without a mask,
• 51:14
  he's a Very attractive, man. Like he looks like fucking
• 51:18
  Hercules or some shit and you put musket him.
• 51:21
  Why are you doing that? Don't take the mask off like
• 51:25
  that's money. Like and that wrestling
• 51:27
  shouldn't be about looks but it is and so much of it is like how
• 51:32
  you look and how you talk and you moving and Charisma and you
• 51:36
  know that that's why. Yeah, what was so successful,
• 51:38
  you know, even smooth, he's good-lookin each is already had
• 51:42
  it all, you know. I just don't get that when
• 51:46
  companies do that. I mean, maybe it's just money,
• 51:49
  waiting down the road. Like you make a storyline out of
• 51:51
  taking the mask office or whatever but then there's a time
• 51:54
  again they don't they done the same thing with Kane.
• 51:58
  Dad that you can shoot at the mosque on?
• 52:00
  Well, no. Well I do know actually sorry.
• 52:03
  Glad some some really good stuff was done with unmask cane, but
• 52:08
  when they went back to Moscow and it was like that this is no,
• 52:11
  they should have just kept it at that.
• 52:13
  They shouldn't Miss never unmask them with ink, but it is what it
• 52:16
  is. But I'd be unmasked Ray Mysterio
• 52:19
  and WCW. And that is that what was the
• 52:20
  point like? Well, you tried it.
• 52:22
  There's the worst, just the shits.
• 52:26
  Battered. A wrestling is subjective and
• 52:31
  some people refer to it as like, a buffet, which I think is very
• 52:34
  apt. It's very, on the nose.
• 52:37
  I mean, maybe but don't know that resting actually comes from
• 52:40
  the circus and traditionally, historically, and that's why
• 52:44
  they have, like, Carney the language that they still speak
• 52:47
  in the business to, some people still speak.
• 52:49
  That's where a lot of The Insider terms come from my mark
• 52:52
  and stuff like that. Hey, Fable.
• 52:54
  That shit. But breast has changed a lot.
• 53:00
  Yeah, and I don't always agree with like Jim cornette's views
• 53:03
  and things. I think he could be quite
• 53:04
  extreme sometimes with how he puts his message across, but
• 53:08
  what I will say is right, but it what he's saying is not wrong,
• 53:13
  he's not wrong. Like it's the reason why
• 53:16
  wrestling worked for so long for so much like we're talking like,
• 53:19
  since the early 20th century made him, just before that, you
• 53:25
  know, it work. It's because it was like a
• 53:26
  formula and it got tweaked over the years and everything, but it
• 53:29
  was like a formula and when you deviate from that formula and
• 53:33
  you just do something different, like fine, rest, wrestling more
• 53:37
  competitive now more sporty. Yes, that's fine.
• 53:39
  But you can still die and there's matches.
• 53:41
  I've seen like Austin theory is a good example of this because
• 53:45
  he sells there's so many wrestlers these days, don't
• 53:49
  sell, and it just pisses me off. It's like if I kick you in the
• 53:53
  face, really hard, You should probably fall over and be like
• 53:58
  Ah, that's her but no, they just get right back up and just go.
• 54:02
  It's like they just going through the motions taking
• 54:04
  yeses, and this is a slight, it makes it more it.
• 54:07
  I just skip through most of it, to be honest.
• 54:09
  Hmm. You know?
• 54:10
  And that's, that's why I don't keep up with wrestling these
• 54:12
  days, you know, I glanced at it, I'll check out, you know, if
• 54:16
  there's a big pay-per-view like, I don't know, Brock Roman
• 54:19
  Reigns, I'll check that out, you know, but a lot of the time,
• 54:22
  it's just like, you know and it shouldn't be that it Cut.
• 54:25
  It can be so much more than that, but I don't know.
• 54:32
  Anything you want to add a question for you?
• 54:36
  What is your favorite type? Favorite match.
• 54:39
  A lot of all time. Oh, that's hard.
• 54:46
  Fuck I'll give you like a bunch because I can't really pick.
• 54:52
  So I love all of them. Like the TLC matches the
• 54:56
  classic. So we're talking Edge and
• 54:58
  Christian The Hardy Boys. Yeah, that'd be boys just
• 55:01
  amazing stuff a bit obscure but there's a match.
• 55:06
  So, if you've ever seen Survivor Series, 2002, so many good
• 55:11
  matches on that, the main event, really in the first match in
• 55:17
  like it. It's a Do it some this was when
• 55:20
  The Dudley Boyz split they got back together at the end of this
• 55:22
  which was cool but it was Bubba, Ray Dudley, Jeff Hardy and who's
• 55:28
  the other one Spike Dudley versus three-minute warning,
• 55:32
  very short-lived team with Rico so it's Rosie and Jamal.
• 55:38
  So I think row Jamal went on to become a manga and Rosie went on
• 55:44
  to become hurricanes Cyclones. Psychic common borders called
• 55:51
  the name of the character. But yeah, Big Injustice because
• 55:54
  he was such a great wrestler. Yeah.
• 55:56
  And he's I believe he was the cousin or Uncle relation to
• 56:01
  Roman Reigns. Yes.
• 56:02
  Visually you can see it as well as Matt anyway, really great
• 56:06
  team and they did this map. It was a tables match and
• 56:10
  obviously Jeff did some crazy shit as always it was just a
• 56:14
  really good like opening to a match.
• 56:16
  It's kind of like, you know, angle Mysterio.
• 56:19
  Oh, to SummerSlam. It's like sometimes you just get
• 56:21
  these bangers and that whole card was just full of really
• 56:25
  great matches the other. I mean, to be honest, I thought
• 56:28
  I was like there's a lot of good matches in that era of Ruthless
• 56:31
  aggression actually, do you know?
• 56:34
  Yeah, like of all time. Big fan of.
• 56:44
  Rock Austin's Trilogy I think is really good.
• 56:49
  Austin Bret Hart WrestleMania 13.
• 56:52
  I think it was a good one. To me it I always gravitate more
• 56:58
  towards psychology. I like a good story so like
• 57:01
  sometimes I felt like I really like it's not even a really good
• 57:04
  match but I love it. Anyway, is Hogan Vince McMahon
• 57:08
  Wrestlemania 19 like it's shit, it's 20.
• 57:13
  Been paying each other work with like stare.
• 57:16
  It's mostly just bids with nine Gators head kicked in, which is
• 57:19
  great to see, it's just, you know, best heel of all time.
• 57:24
  Oh, definitely agreed there. But the video package they did
• 57:29
  for that which WWE, you know, they've got a lot of flaws.
• 57:33
  They've got a lot of passes when it comes to production.
• 57:36
  No one can touch them. Then there will never be any
• 57:39
  company out there better than WWE when it comes to wrestling
• 57:42
  program package. Has and back in that era, like
• 57:45
  if you've seen the promo package to Rock, Austin WrestleMania 17.
• 57:49
  It's the best thing you've ever seen.
• 57:51
  Ever was limp biscuits. Was it my way or think?
• 57:56
  One of the comment by the name of song, Perfect?
• 58:00
  And the same with the rock Hogan thing.
• 58:02
  They had a really good story. They wove in reality into it and
• 58:06
  it worked same pay-per-view actually talking to Great
• 58:09
  matches. Brock Lesnar car angle, one of
• 58:14
  the best matches of all time. I love amateur wrestling.
• 58:18
  I remember one time they did Black a 50-minute high-end match
• 58:21
  on a Smackdown in that era. I think and it was insane.
• 58:24
  Yes. Hey so good.
• 58:27
  Oh my God. Gosh, I could go on all day
• 58:31
  about so it's just I don't know how about you very much is 0
• 58:37
  matches to be fair I'm I will say Jeff Hardy and Undertaker.
• 58:45
  I can't remember. I can't remember what much.
• 58:49
  I'm pretty sure it was a ladders match.
• 58:51
  Is it episode of Raw in like 02? I remember.
• 58:54
  Well, yeah, yeah, that one. I don't know.
• 58:58
  I think it's just the resiliency of Jeff Hardy.
• 59:04
  You know what's really good about that much as well?
• 59:06
  Just talking about psychology, it wasn't, just because Jeff
• 59:09
  obviously he won everyone over for just being fucking crazy
• 59:13
  madman Daredevil. But that match told a good
• 59:17
  story. As you say, the resiliency, it
• 59:19
  was, he kept coming back and I think like didn't was it like
• 59:23
  Undertaker of beating them up and did he like flip Undertaker
• 59:26
  off or something? Or like was like he just kept
• 59:28
  getting back up and in yeah he definitely kept getting back up
• 59:31
  and I'm pretty sure take Take a got on his Harley was about to
• 59:36
  go and Jeff had the mic and he's like, where the fuck do you
• 59:40
  think? You're going ahead?
• 59:44
  Yeah, that's Busey, I love that. They'll never be another one
• 59:50
  like Jeff Hardy. My never, definitely brilliant.
• 59:54
  The current charismatic Enigma that is Jeff a hobby I always
• 59:59
  just loved his dress sense is because I've never seen anyone
• 1:00:02
  dressed like that. I mean, I guess it's kind of
• 1:00:05
  like somewhat reminiscent of like cybergoth stuff but I don't
• 1:00:09
  know. Like I've never like he's he's
• 1:00:11
  very unique like he's always he's always been that way as
• 1:00:14
  well. Like he's never never been
• 1:00:15
  different. It's just cool.
• 1:00:17
  You know and he's artwork and music.
• 1:00:21
  I just hmm. Yeah, just just all around very
• 1:00:25
  talented human being. So yeah, we could we could talk
• 1:00:32
  about wrestling all day. What we?
• 1:00:33
  What we won't shit. I want to shift things on and
• 1:00:38
  move into the opposes final chapter of this podcast.
• 1:00:42
  So we want to talk about your care work.
• 1:00:50
  How did you get into care? What?
• 1:00:54
  so, I think I have been looking for jobs at the time, I done
• 1:01:06
  childcare and I'd only done it for three months because that
• 1:01:10
  experience was not a good experience.
• 1:01:13
  How come I don't want to go into detail on that one?
• 1:01:20
  The problem. So yeah, that that wasn't a good
• 1:01:24
  experience and thing is, I don't get me wrong.
• 1:01:28
  I enjoyed looking after the kids.
• 1:01:31
  Sure they were all a lovely bunch of kids but it just wasn't
• 1:01:38
  for me. So I thought if I've already
• 1:01:41
  tried child care, how about? I don't care.
• 1:01:48
  Okay. And naturally ended up my first,
• 1:01:57
  my first care job was dementia care.
• 1:02:02
  So, what did I'm intrigued by is, how come you weren't
• 1:02:07
  completely put off by your care experience?
• 1:02:09
  Because I would imagine that while because it is different is
• 1:02:14
  completely different styles of care.
• 1:02:15
  Like there's different needs, different expectations,
• 1:02:18
  different approach, etcetera, Did you kind of think like, oh
• 1:02:21
  I'll give this a try, because maybe it'll be different or, you
• 1:02:26
  know, like there were aspects that I liked with the childcare,
• 1:02:30
  maybe they can be applied. Like what was the thought
• 1:02:33
  process behind that? I think it was somewhat to do
• 1:02:38
  with like it enjoying looking after someone, if that makes
• 1:02:44
  sense. But then during that time that
• 1:02:50
  time Time frame like a couple years prior, my nan had cancer
• 1:02:57
  and it was removed. And she was being looked after
• 1:03:01
  by MacMillan nurses, they were coming in and they were looking
• 1:03:04
  after and making sure that, you know, she had everything that
• 1:03:07
  she needed and whatnot and I saw what they were doing and was I
• 1:03:14
  okay like, you know, they've made my nun's life easier.
• 1:03:20
  Mmm. Why can't I make somebody else's
• 1:03:25
  life easier? if I know that's like a weird
• 1:03:30
  thought process, but I thought if It's that whole of if I can
• 1:03:36
  give something to someone. I would. one thing I've
• 1:03:45
  understood about you as a human being, is that you're very And I
• 1:03:51
  think this kind of applies to anyone that works in that your
• 1:03:56
  profession is that you have to be very strong like an
• 1:04:01
  emotionally. I know you'll be like, oh well
• 1:04:03
  you know you don't see me crash. When I come back from it and all
• 1:04:05
  this. And yeah, you're a human being,
• 1:04:07
  you have their emotions, you deal with them.
• 1:04:09
  You did with them, but the point still stands that you'll go
• 1:04:12
  through these crazy shifts. Sometimes and go for several
• 1:04:16
  weeks of are having a day off, your do all this stuff and then
• 1:04:19
  but you're able to internalize how you feel and not let that
• 1:04:22
  affect how you do the job and then you deal with it later.
• 1:04:28
  How do you do that? Well, how did like I regulate my
• 1:04:39
  feelings? Yeah, I mean like how do you how
• 1:04:46
  do you not let it affect your job?
• 1:04:47
  How do you How do you do it? Like I've I guess I guess what
• 1:04:52
  I'm trying to say without being like you know you're amazing you
• 1:04:56
  because I want you to know that you're amazing but it's is
• 1:04:59
  inspiring because I know that I couldn't do that job, I know
• 1:05:01
  that I would crack I could I could give it a shot but I think
• 1:05:05
  I wouldn't be able to handle I won't be able to push aside my
• 1:05:12
  feet. I think I would I wouldn't be
• 1:05:14
  able to do it but you're able to do it because you're that kind
• 1:05:18
  of person that's able to like handle that.
• 1:05:21
  I just wonder like how do you do that?
• 1:05:26
  So because it's dementia care. It's more difficult than
• 1:05:31
  residential care because these are people with wealth Dimension
• 1:05:37
  will be. I suppose seen as a mental
• 1:05:41
  health issue because it does affect your cognitive
• 1:05:44
  impairments. It is a cognitive impairment and
• 1:05:49
  yes, sometimes shifts are hard, they are crazy.
• 1:05:57
  And sometimes you do feel like you haven't done anything to the
• 1:06:02
  best of your ability. but there are some times where, Someone
• 1:06:10
  might look at you and smile and say thank you, you've just made
• 1:06:13
  my day. Or you might have a laugh and a
• 1:06:18
  joke with these people and sometimes you might not
• 1:06:21
  understand exactly where they're coming from with what they're
• 1:06:25
  saying, because they can't vocalize exactly what they want
• 1:06:29
  to say. Properly.
• 1:06:30
  Lighting might come up in like I don't know like a jumble of
• 1:06:33
  words that don't make sense, but to them, it's a sentence but you
• 1:06:38
  can still gather what they're saying.
• 1:06:43
  And then literally again, sort of like I often joke with them
• 1:06:47
  about that and sometimes it just makes you feel good to put a
• 1:06:50
  smile on. Someone's face to make them feel
• 1:06:53
  a little bit better because I've had one or two people residents
• 1:06:59
  come up to me and bear with me a second.
• 1:07:03
  I'm going to try and shut the dog up.
• 1:07:06
  It's driving me nuts. Hey, talk, we're having a
• 1:07:10
  moment. I'm trying to explain what I do
• 1:07:15
  for other people and what you do for me is drive me nuts.
• 1:07:19
  We see the dog. Are you gonna do it like that?
• 1:07:26
  Yes. Awesome mean maybe she comes
• 1:07:30
  back in. All right note there have been
• 1:07:36
  times where sometimes your you are having a hard shift and I
• 1:07:43
  have one day. Someone come up to me and She
• 1:07:49
  she was having sort of moments of clarity throughout the day,
• 1:07:52
  but it wasn't like consistent. And she she wanted to go home
• 1:08:02
  which is sometimes quite a regular thing.
• 1:08:04
  So I don't understand why they're there and as I was
• 1:08:09
  walking past our, I said their name and she looked at me, And
• 1:08:16
  she had, she sort of looked a bit shocked and I was like,
• 1:08:20
  you're right like, what's matter?
• 1:08:23
  And she was like, and she started crying.
• 1:08:27
  And she was like, finally, someone recognizes me. and, I
• 1:08:34
  gave her a cuddle and it sort of like moved me to tears a bit
• 1:08:38
  because it was a bit like She, she felt like she was in like
• 1:08:44
  this to people, but nobody recognizes that.
• 1:08:48
  That she was alone. In place for The Strangers. and,
• 1:08:57
  She hugged me tight and choose sort of prying into my shoulder
• 1:09:03
  and she said, I am so glad that I found you and that I recognize
• 1:09:09
  Who You Are. And it was just so like you
• 1:09:16
  know, I'm standing there in a lot.
• 1:09:18
  No, I made you do you do have moments like that?
• 1:09:24
  Where something does actually get to you?
• 1:09:29
  But most of the time, it's just knowing that you can do a little
• 1:09:35
  something to help someone else's life, be that little bit easier.
• 1:09:43
  Hey so you know to make them feel better there.
• 1:09:46
  The like quite recently there was a gentleman I was sitting
• 1:09:49
  there I was doing or my paperwork and whatnot and all
• 1:09:54
  day. He had followed me around
• 1:09:57
  throughout the whole day and I wasn't exactly sure why but Is
• 1:10:05
  what it is. And I'm sitting there doing my
• 1:10:08
  paperwork and he grabbed, hold of my wrist and started
• 1:10:12
  stroking, my hand and he was like, I feel like I need you,
• 1:10:17
  like a baby and I looked at me a bit confused because I was like,
• 1:10:21
  okay, like I don't understand what what you're getting at here
• 1:10:27
  and he grabbed me like my hand a bit tighter and he was like,
• 1:10:32
  with you, I feel safe, I feel protected. and I'm sitting
• 1:10:38
  there, like, and that is what I did my job for What do you
• 1:10:47
  think? Are the qualities that good
• 1:10:51
  carried should have. The one of you men time,
• 1:11:00
  patients. Understanding. and the ability
• 1:11:09
  to I don't know how to explain this one, but Ticks.
• 1:11:16
  Oh my gosh I think that you do. Come you don't nice.
• 1:11:26
  Come here, dog. Let me go.
• 1:11:30
  We saw the dog. They go ask beautiful beautiful,
• 1:11:34
  dog. You shush, please see.
• 1:11:38
  I could that I could, I could never be mad at the dog for
• 1:11:41
  ruining my podcast. Yeah, I'm kidding obviously.
• 1:11:47
  Um, I forgot where we were now. Yeah, time patience
• 1:11:54
  understanding. I do think selflessness.
• 1:12:01
  As well because you're not doing it for you.
• 1:12:04
  You're doing it for somebody else. guess, I'm just kind of
• 1:12:08
  always intrigued by, like, how You're able to put yourself to
• 1:12:14
  one side and be there. So completely for those people,
• 1:12:18
  you know, like it's it, it kind of fascinates me to be honest.
• 1:12:21
  Because I understand that it requires a great deal of
• 1:12:24
  empathy. And, you know, like, you got to
• 1:12:28
  go out of your way for these people and I guess maybe a bit,
• 1:12:32
  a good question to ask you be like, what exactly does care
• 1:12:36
  work mean to you? I suppose I feel like, because
• 1:12:46
  I'm quite a very, like, passionate and caring person.
• 1:12:50
  Hmm. I suppose, although sometimes, I
• 1:12:52
  definitely don't throw like that outside.
• 1:12:54
  Look like, I think it's just being able to again, it's a
• 1:13:05
  whole like Been able to give. What you'd I suppose at the same
• 1:13:18
  time? How you want to be treated if
• 1:13:21
  that makes sense. But it's the fact that These
• 1:13:30
  people? Yes, they've lived their lives.
• 1:13:34
  But now they need help. Okay?
• 1:13:38
  And Some some need a lot more help than others, depending on
• 1:13:46
  the different types of dementia. Obviously different varying
• 1:13:50
  degrees and different stages and it obviously is not just
• 1:13:54
  dementia, there are other light health conditions that sometimes
• 1:14:00
  come with it or just just different health conditions,
• 1:14:05
  say, like osteoporosis that, all that sort of stuff. and again,
• 1:14:11
  it's just Being able to make someone comfortable and happy to
• 1:14:20
  their life. Do you have like on-site
• 1:14:24
  therapist or psychologist? No.
• 1:14:28
  Do they sometimes? Come in?
• 1:14:31
  Yeah. Sometime.
• 1:14:33
  Okay. And those are you on about like
• 1:14:35
  for service users or four stars for the people staying there?
• 1:14:45
  I think sometimes. Yes, but most of the time, it's
• 1:14:50
  like dementia services and they come in, and they do assessments
• 1:14:55
  like memory assessments, okay, and stuff like that.
• 1:14:58
  And then from there, all of the assessments for then, get given
• 1:15:02
  to to like the managers and the nurses in charge and from there,
• 1:15:09
  they will have to update their care plans.
• 1:15:11
  If anything Needs changing in the way of how we deliver care
• 1:15:17
  to these people because K is individualized to everyone.
• 1:15:22
  It's called persons and okay. So every person you go to you
• 1:15:28
  tailor your approach differently.
• 1:15:35
  See, I think the thing that just amazes me like hearing Snippets
• 1:15:39
  of what your job is. Like, is it just kind of It's
• 1:15:43
  always amazed me like how much it must require from you
• 1:15:47
  physics, so sometimes it is definitely physically
• 1:15:52
  emotionally and mentally draining.
• 1:15:56
  And again, there are times where you walk out and you do want to
• 1:16:00
  cry because it has been a bit too much.
• 1:16:06
  But again it's always every day is different.
• 1:16:11
  Is 88. Never the same is that like,
• 1:16:14
  what keeps you going, because I wonder sometimes like when I've
• 1:16:18
  sometimes when we've spoken just in general about it or you've
• 1:16:21
  told us that our little group of friends, like the things you're
• 1:16:25
  going for and I wonder like, What, why not?
• 1:16:29
  Try like a, you know, like a different career path.
• 1:16:32
  Like I obviously I understand like how much this work means to
• 1:16:34
  you and I think that's a big part where you keep doing it,
• 1:16:36
  but like, is there other things keeping your gut like what?
• 1:16:39
  What drives you, what keeps you motivated to to do this again?
• 1:16:47
  I think it's a everyday is different.
• 1:16:50
  I do, I absolutely love my job. I wouldn't do it if I didn't
• 1:16:55
  love it. I also I do feel like I maybe
• 1:17:03
  like a soccer for that sort of torture, some time.
• 1:17:11
  Yes, they did. Especially after like, you
• 1:17:14
  you've really bad days and it's like, I'm, I'm like a soccer for
• 1:17:18
  the stress. I thrive on stress and Chaos.
• 1:17:20
  Well, okay, do, but you've done some something there.
• 1:17:23
  No. Because sometimes people
• 1:17:25
  actually work better under stress than they do.
• 1:17:27
  You feel that way. Definitely, yeah, I love I love
• 1:17:31
  when shifts that easy and when I say easy, I mean easier.
• 1:17:37
  Because again, every shift is different.
• 1:17:41
  If you're caring for people, people are unpredictable,
• 1:17:44
  sometimes people are hard to deal with.
• 1:17:47
  And, and again, going along with these people are in like
• 1:17:52
  unpredictable everyone. Everyone's unpredictable, you
• 1:17:56
  know, it's from my uncle. Someone walking down the street
• 1:17:59
  and I could turn around, stop to one.
• 1:18:00
  That's unpredictable. I don't know.
• 1:18:02
  It's a good point. Yeah, but these people can't
• 1:18:07
  help their unpredictability. How do you sort of deal with?
• 1:18:15
  Because I know, you're quite senior, you've been doing this
• 1:18:18
  awhile. People look to you for advice
• 1:18:21
  support, Etc. How do you navigate around?
• 1:18:24
  Because there are stories that we hear from time to time of
• 1:18:28
  people that, you know, aren't doing the job.
• 1:18:31
  Well, you know, maybe they're not as sympathetic as they
• 1:18:34
  should be. Or, you know, sometimes even
• 1:18:37
  horrible things like stealing stuff like that.
• 1:18:40
  How do you have you? Dealt with having to sort of
• 1:18:43
  discipline, someone in that regard or deal with someone like
• 1:18:46
  that had. And how did you deal with?
• 1:18:49
  It? Always just always report it to
• 1:18:54
  a nurse in charge, okay? And it's literally see it's a
• 1:18:58
  triple it, that's us. Always always document whatever
• 1:19:04
  sort of things you've seen. You never confront the person
• 1:19:08
  that's doing it because obviously it can lead to other
• 1:19:12
  things like what in the way of because you don't know how that
• 1:19:19
  person is going to react the unpredictability of people.
• 1:19:23
  So if If I was to say, I don't know.
• 1:19:31
  Say, for instance, I walk into a room and somebody is watching
• 1:19:37
  the dressing service user and the person either gets a bit too
• 1:19:44
  rough for instance, okay. Hates hates the person, right.
• 1:19:49
  You literally leave the room and you go until you notice, you
• 1:19:52
  don't do anything else because that that is mutually in our
• 1:19:56
  policy. Procedures that we don't
• 1:19:58
  confront the person. You have to have like a another
• 1:20:01
  senior member of Staff deal with that.
• 1:20:04
  Is that to sort of make sure that the situation doesn't
• 1:20:06
  escalate further. Yes, basically.
• 1:20:09
  Okay, because they wouldn't necessarily react to you because
• 1:20:16
  you're not seeing you as that kind of the mentality there or
• 1:20:19
  is it what I think it is obviously to protect other
• 1:20:23
  members of Staff because again, you don't know.
• 1:20:26
  Know what this person is going to do and plus if they're doing
• 1:20:29
  it to a resident and you're standing there with this
• 1:20:34
  resident, you don't know how it's going to make them feel.
• 1:20:37
  You don't know how it's going to affect that person, okay?
• 1:20:45
  Justin, and I mean, there have been obviously situations in
• 1:20:50
  which I have been working with people and people have been a
• 1:20:56
  bit too rough. And you do say, What you doing
• 1:21:03
  like you don't you don't need to be like that.
• 1:21:06
  The these are people skin is fragile, like you don't, you
• 1:21:12
  don't need to be that heavy-handed I can think it was
• 1:21:21
  2013, 2012, something like that. Ricky Gervais stood, a series
• 1:21:26
  called Derek, which was about care work in the care home set
• 1:21:30
  right now. I feel like largely a lot of
• 1:21:32
  that was kind of like the backdrop to the story.
• 1:21:36
  That was sort of playing out and stuff.
• 1:21:38
  But, you know, they did Cover a lot of ground with that given
• 1:21:41
  that you work in that industry in that field.
• 1:21:44
  Firstly, did you see that program?
• 1:21:45
  And secondly, what did you make of it?
• 1:21:48
  Did you think it was kind of? Can accurate portrayal, did you
• 1:21:51
  think it did a disservice that what was your thoughts on?
• 1:21:54
  Haven't watched it. So, I can't answer that.
• 1:21:56
  Okay, all right, interesting, we'll move on see, say, for
• 1:22:03
  instance, sort of supposed going along that line.
• 1:22:06
  So you invite news, articles and news reports of like residents
• 1:22:10
  being he having stuff, stolen stuff like that.
• 1:22:14
  It makes me physically sick to my stomach.
• 1:22:17
  Yeah. Because it's like What, why are
• 1:22:21
  you doing this? The these people are vulnerable.
• 1:22:23
  They need your help and then you're taking advantage of them.
• 1:22:28
  But then it also tells us all with the same brush, whether
• 1:22:32
  it's one person, whether it's two people we all get tarred
• 1:22:36
  with the same brush and then people look at us like white,
• 1:22:40
  We're scum. and sometimes that is, I suppose not difficult to
• 1:22:47
  deal with because I've never personally had an interaction
• 1:22:49
  with someone but has come across and looked at me, like I am a
• 1:22:53
  bit of dirt, hmm, But it's just that whole people are more
• 1:23:01
  apprehensive about You know, putting family members into
• 1:23:07
  Karen's, sure, because of things like this.
• 1:23:10
  And it's just hard because everyone that I have met in the
• 1:23:19
  care industry, the people that I've worked with, I've worked
• 1:23:23
  two different companies, both four years each But like
• 1:23:30
  everyone, I have met or has the same mentality.
• 1:23:37
  As we are here to care for these people, we are here to look
• 1:23:42
  after these people. We are here for them.
• 1:23:49
  You put yourself aside, we are here for them and it's a good
• 1:23:54
  mentality. Because it's like it doesn't I
• 1:23:58
  don't know. It just sort of I suppose makes
• 1:24:01
  team like Joe together because it's not just We're looking
• 1:24:07
  after people. We are also looking after each
• 1:24:10
  other in the way of like staff. Cuz you, you have to be safe
• 1:24:16
  because if you're unsafe. How can you look after someone,
• 1:24:21
  if you're unsafe? I think it's interesting to me
• 1:24:29
  that these horror stories were here about.
• 1:24:32
  Like that's an able that's allowed to have.
• 1:24:34
  Like people get into the industry and I suppose you could
• 1:24:37
  argue that maybe tougher, checks need to be replaced background
• 1:24:40
  checks. Whatever the case may be
• 1:24:42
  sometimes it's just like These things happen.
• 1:24:46
  Obviously it's unacceptable, but it's like, definitely
• 1:24:48
  unacceptable, but I feel like sometimes more, more care
• 1:24:54
  workers do need to speak up. Hmm.
• 1:24:56
  Because I do believe things probably are being seen and not
• 1:25:01
  report it because it's if I report, they're gonna know, it's
• 1:25:05
  me. And then Oh you mean like a fear
• 1:25:08
  of like splitting those other? Yeah.
• 1:25:10
  Basically but that's why you have your voices, blowing
• 1:25:13
  policy. Please.
• 1:25:19
  So there's a lot. See?
• 1:25:20
  This is one of the biggest things I wanted to.
• 1:25:24
  I wanted to explore this in depth review because I felt like
• 1:25:27
  there was a lot we could talk about and a lot of different
• 1:25:30
  areas we could cover. And it's just fascinating to
• 1:25:32
  finally be able to talk to you about it in debt, you know,
• 1:25:35
  we've spoken a little bit in person about it but like it's
• 1:25:40
  nice to kind of, actually get your thoughts and feelings about
• 1:25:45
  the work that you do and what it means to, you know, this is This
• 1:25:49
  is nice to hear. I just wanted to make a moment
• 1:25:52
  of our main arrays. Okay.
• 1:25:53
  Yes. So sometimes it just sounds like
• 1:25:56
  I'm rambling and making no sense.
• 1:25:58
  It definitely doesn't make sense to me in my head and it's just
• 1:26:02
  our words are coming out but yeah, no.
• 1:26:05
  I again, I absolutely love my job and I wouldn't do it if I
• 1:26:10
  didn't love it. That's literally the bottom
• 1:26:15
  line. When you were working through
• 1:26:21
  the covid-19 pandemic, like how did your work change experience?
• 1:26:27
  Not to be fair, they were busy quite a lot changes, like more
• 1:26:35
  policies and procedures in place like for in the event of an
• 1:26:41
  outbreak in the home, how to protect ourselves as well
• 1:26:46
  inside. And Outside of the home and
• 1:26:51
  obviously, the wearing more PPE during an outbreak.
• 1:26:58
  So for instance I think the major changes were the residents
• 1:27:04
  can see their families, right? So families couldn't come in.
• 1:27:09
  Due to the fact that all of you see where it was spreading like
• 1:27:12
  wildfire, we didn't want the residents getting it and then we
• 1:27:15
  didn't want them passing it on to staff or vice versa that sort
• 1:27:20
  of thing. But it was also like so
• 1:27:26
  mentally. I think for our service users
• 1:27:31
  that was hard not seeing their families, because we were
• 1:27:35
  getting a lot of questions day in day out.
• 1:27:37
  When can they go? That's, that's a usual sort of
• 1:27:42
  everyday. Today's question.
• 1:27:47
  But why haven't my family been in to see me?
• 1:27:52
  And then having to explain that, there is a pandemic going on and
• 1:27:56
  World a respiratory disease that you really don't want, but then
• 1:28:04
  it'll be like Okay. So why can't my family come and
• 1:28:09
  see me? So, that was difficult.
• 1:28:13
  And then when we started wearing masks as well, I don't think
• 1:28:19
  that helped because obviously they can't see a lot of faces
• 1:28:26
  and then it also muffles, what what you're saying?
• 1:28:31
  Obviously, because you've got Place cloth over your mouth and
• 1:28:34
  some, some of these people have hearing impairment some people.
• 1:28:37
  Hearing aids, some people have hearing aids, but don't want to
• 1:28:40
  wear them because I don't like them because I don't like the
• 1:28:43
  feel of them and then it's just eight sort of broke down like
• 1:28:48
  communication barriers. Zoom D.
• 1:28:51
  I did. Barriers like with communication
• 1:28:56
  which made that quite difficult Zoom, the the residents didn't
• 1:29:02
  have to wear masks, no, no staff to resident Stone, but it got to
• 1:29:08
  a point where we only. I'm pretty sure we only had To
• 1:29:17
  outbreak cases and we got that down.
• 1:29:22
  I think it was only one or two people that actually had it.
• 1:29:28
  But again, to be on the safe side due to the fact, it was
• 1:29:32
  like spreading really quick. We had to isolate people to
• 1:29:37
  their rooms so it didn't spread which again, the these people
• 1:29:48
  are like cognitively impaired, and then you're going to isolate
• 1:29:54
  them to their rooms. You've got more communication
• 1:30:01
  barriers because of the fact that we're now wearing masks and
• 1:30:06
  if you were going into a person that had covid, you had to
• 1:30:12
  double up on your PPE, obviously, the face Shields, the
• 1:30:18
  gauntlets to make sure your arms are covered really long April, 1
• 1:30:23
  by 8. Yeah, Oh, oh wow.
• 1:30:28
  Make sure that we didn't get it on our uniforms, interesting,
• 1:30:34
  okay. And I've never, I've never heard
• 1:30:36
  it. I've seen everything I could but
• 1:30:37
  I've never heard of these ongoing little.
• 1:30:39
  Yeah, they think only it's all we had at one point.
• 1:30:43
  We did actually have a, it was like an apron.
• 1:30:48
  I know you again, I thought you were going in like, although, we
• 1:30:56
  didn't actually Perhaps Hazmat States it was more.
• 1:31:00
  So we have makeshift hazmat suits and you think we're going
• 1:31:05
  into these people and they're seeing us come in like that and
• 1:31:09
  they're like what the fuck's going on?
• 1:31:13
  Yeah, that's because what is the been so scary for him?
• 1:31:17
  I mean we did try our best to explain to them what was going
• 1:31:22
  on to try and get them to like maybe he's up about the
• 1:31:25
  situation. So I mean, if you've got someone
• 1:31:27
  as coming in and fall like near enough like hazmat suit and
• 1:31:31
  they're like, oh yeah, we do we just coming in to see if you
• 1:31:33
  want a cup of tea, right? Well, why are you dressed like
• 1:31:41
  that? You're asking me if I want a cup
• 1:31:45
  of tea, you're not right, I'm not infectious Saul's but you
• 1:31:51
  are like, how long did you have to wear all that shit?
• 1:31:56
  And so all of like the extra Garbin stuff was only until
• 1:32:03
  outbreak ended once like the outbreak and then did.
• 1:32:06
  Did we went back to just wearing our masks and obviously no more
• 1:32:10
  PPE. So that's mainly that was for
• 1:32:14
  the people that had covid but obviously it was again, the
• 1:32:22
  infection control and everything else like changing masks
• 1:32:25
  constantly every I mean, that's how you do it.
• 1:32:28
  Anyway but it just I think due to the fact it was a pandemic
• 1:32:33
  and everyone was trying to be right more.
• 1:32:36
  C8 was late. Really like, it's all right, I
• 1:32:42
  suppose it away. Like in a ritual, right?
• 1:32:46
  In a way like making sure that you're taking everything off
• 1:32:50
  before you come out of a room. But you've literally got to make
• 1:32:53
  sure that you've got everything just outside the room.
• 1:32:57
  I remember when I did volunteer work, it was it was the same
• 1:33:00
  thing. Like when I work inside the the
• 1:33:04
  charity place, I did. Like I served like people in
• 1:33:09
  there that Mill mini store that they had, and I was like
• 1:33:12
  frequently changing my gloves, every like a couple of minutes
• 1:33:15
  and changing my mask frequently. Like, as you say, it was very
• 1:33:19
  ritualistic, it just became like what you do but it was, I don't
• 1:33:23
  know, very frustrating and kind of like Almost suffocating in a
• 1:33:28
  way? That's weird.
• 1:33:29
  Yeah, especially when you're working in a hot building,
• 1:33:33
  right? Yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Been told you can't open the windows.
• 1:33:38
  Jesus Will. That's interesting.
• 1:33:42
  What was the mentality there? So we didn't come in.
• 1:33:49
  I'm not even literally just in case it was in like the filters
• 1:34:00
  just in case it got out. Coming out right inside.
• 1:34:04
  Look, it's like lurking in the hedges outside.
• 1:34:07
  Like I'm gonna come in late really like what do you think
• 1:34:10
  this is Legion? Is like a leopard.
• 1:34:15
  A flat but everywhere that I worked or dip.
• 1:34:19
  Volunteer work out whatever, they had the windows wide open
• 1:34:21
  with the idea that hey, we should ventilate this because it
• 1:34:24
  will help stop the spread. The thing is, is what we we were
• 1:34:28
  getting so many different like, Mixed information specially when
• 1:34:33
  it first started in the height of it and everyone's panicking.
• 1:34:36
  And we were getting literally, so many different, like,
• 1:34:39
  Snippets of information as to what was going on and it was
• 1:34:43
  like, do we open the windows to we not?
• 1:34:45
  Are we allowed to have like ventilation input?
• 1:34:47
  Also at the same time, like we don't have our air corn on.
• 1:34:54
  But it's hot in here. It's hot outside.
• 1:34:58
  But staff can also take their masks off to have a drink.
• 1:35:02
  Like, what really? Yeah.
• 1:35:05
  Like we have to leave the unit. Wow.
• 1:35:10
  So if we if we needed to like chug a glass of water we'd have
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  to take it out into the garden. Okay.
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  Because we've taken our masks off.
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  Wow, like I knew I knew it was difficult for you to remember
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  speaking to you about it. But like at the same time I
• 1:35:28
  didn't realize it was like this much hassle just just to fuck it
• 1:35:31
  up. But again, I think it's I must,
• 1:35:35
  I must like admit my company done dumb really well.
• 1:35:41
  Okay, no II can't, I can't fault them for that for the handling.
• 1:35:48
  Of like the pandemic at all. So I definitely give props to my
• 1:35:55
  managers for that definitely and like, our regional top bosses
• 1:35:59
  and whatever. But, but yeah, no definitely.
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  They handled it with care and they were also Like, our top
• 1:36:10
  bosses were sending out letters to us, basically saying, like,
• 1:36:16
  look, we understand, we know it's really, really hard, but
• 1:36:20
  you guys are doing great. When there's more information
• 1:36:25
  that comes in, we will let you know.
• 1:36:27
  We were always kept in the loop as to what was going on, like
• 1:36:31
  changes in policies and procedures.
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  We were always always like, you know, told as soon as they come
• 1:36:38
  soon as they got. Centro basically.
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  But ya know and it was definitely nice as well because
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  some sometimes you don't feel like sometimes you do feel like
• 1:36:51
  you're taken for granted. Yeah.
• 1:36:53
  Sometimes obviously it's not you know I mean like it's not all
• 1:36:59
  the time some sometimes yeah there are times where you do
• 1:37:04
  feel like you do feel like I think it's especially on days
• 1:37:07
  where it is a stressful and hard shift you do feel like that's
• 1:37:12
  what you feel. Light, obviously, might be
• 1:37:15
  different for different people. But, yeah, it's there are
• 1:37:19
  sometimes where you just do feel like a number.
• 1:37:25
  But again, that's only on them them shifts, where it does get a
• 1:37:28
  little bit too much and I've totally forgot where I was going
• 1:37:34
  with this to be honest because I've just actually sidetracked
• 1:37:36
  and just gone. No, but it was like, you know,
• 1:37:43
  having messages from like you managers and like the top bosses
• 1:37:48
  saying that guys, like, we know it's been hard but you are doing
• 1:37:52
  fucking well. It was just one of them might
• 1:37:55
  moments where it was like, okay, like that's good, that's good to
• 1:38:02
  hear that. You did get some positive
• 1:38:05
  reinforcement. Some some Kudos that you deserve
• 1:38:08
  it. Like it's I think are work in
• 1:38:10
  general. I mean, I can sort of relate
• 1:38:13
  from like a because I've worked in customers.
• 1:38:14
  I again, I'm working in customer service now obviously.
• 1:38:19
  I think you were industry requires a hell of a lot more
• 1:38:23
  than custom. The service does.
• 1:38:24
  But one thing that they do, both share is that they are both
• 1:38:27
  hideously underpaid and yet expect so much from you.
• 1:38:32
  That's the thing like it's so tough and so it's great and
• 1:38:36
  encouraging to hear that you do get like respect and that and
• 1:38:40
  you know, get appreciated for the work you put in because I
• 1:38:43
  think it's definitely very much an unsung heroes kind of thing.
• 1:38:47
  I think one of the biggest lessons you've learned through
• 1:38:51
  care work To roll with the punches.
• 1:39:00
  Take each day as it comes because every day is different.
• 1:39:06
  Well purple. Yeah, Bryn.
• 1:39:09
  What's the best advice you've ever received the best advice
• 1:39:12
  I've ever received? Probably from a residence, I was
• 1:39:19
  going through quite like a tough time. and I went in to go and
• 1:39:28
  you know, cc's of this lady, wash and dress are and I said to
• 1:39:34
  her life's hard at the moment and she said to me, literally
• 1:39:41
  was the only words that left her mouth life wasn't made to be
• 1:39:44
  easy. And I know, it doesn't sound
• 1:39:50
  like much. But it sort of Life wasn't made
• 1:39:56
  to be easy, but you make it what you make it like we don't have
• 1:40:01
  any wind. We're never given a book on.
• 1:40:10
  My daughter looks contribution. Yeah, that's my girl.
• 1:40:16
  That's my dog's life lesson, but white bark, bark, bark, live
• 1:40:20
  long and live life live laugh, bot.
• 1:40:22
  Bigger Market. Oh, okay.
• 1:40:47
  What's going on right now? Talking about the life lessons,
• 1:40:52
  I've learned from work or like what's the greatest piece of
• 1:40:55
  advice I've ever been? Given that they're going to die.
• 1:40:58
  Don't get Jesus. Well, Shane's contribution diet.
• 1:41:11
  Oh my God. Amazing.
• 1:41:15
  They say it's like two sides of a coin.
• 1:41:19
  I can't really that spicy food. Oh, my God.
• 1:41:27
  On this day. I can relate to it.
• 1:41:30
  What you were saying before? I think.
• 1:41:36
  Not say you just trying to make my life harder fucker up and
• 1:41:44
  play Minecraft. That's just play, Minecraft
• 1:41:50
  shop. How much do you think your
• 1:41:53
  relationship helps with? With this.
• 1:41:58
  How much do you think your relationship helps with you
• 1:42:02
  know, everything in your life? As far as I getting through care
• 1:42:05
  work and everything else? What?
• 1:42:09
  Like my relationship with shame? Yeah.
• 1:42:11
  Like have having, whoa, that plus a support, their work.
• 1:42:14
  Whatever, you know, to be fair, I don't, I don't try not to talk
• 1:42:19
  to him. Okay.
• 1:42:21
  About my work, obviously that there are times that I do and
• 1:42:26
  yeah, there. Times, I do complain to him and
• 1:42:28
  whatnot. But again, I try not to because
• 1:42:32
  I don't, I will lawyer site, I don't so don't ever want to be a
• 1:42:35
  burden to anyone else. But hmm, like, I feel like my,
• 1:42:43
  my problems are my problems, somebody else shouldn't take
• 1:42:46
  that. But my, I feel like my
• 1:42:50
  relationship with showing does help because he's a complete
• 1:42:55
  Nutter in Brazil. So, it makes Me forget things.
• 1:42:59
  And you know, he is very funny. I mean, some of the stuff he
• 1:43:03
  comes out with it's quite shocking and you're like why
• 1:43:06
  aren't you're not FBI watch list?
• 1:43:09
  But no this is good, isn't it? Someone that makes you laugh
• 1:43:14
  brings joy in your life that can I can help you go.
• 1:43:16
  You need that? I'm yeah.
• 1:43:18
  That reason I've been going through a very difficult time
• 1:43:20
  and sometimes something as simple as just like memes.
• 1:43:25
  That's really helped. Ya just get me food but like
• 1:43:29
  names going back to like the lifeless.
• 1:43:32
  So the advice that you shared like I feel I really relate to
• 1:43:36
  that especially now with everything that's going on.
• 1:43:41
  Cuz when the biggest stuff is happening and it's difficult and
• 1:43:45
  you're struggling, I feel like it's a little things that help
• 1:43:49
  you sort of get through. Yeah, keep going.
• 1:43:52
  And that's and that's all you ever really can do.
• 1:43:54
  Like, you just have to keep going and, and life is hard and
• 1:43:58
  it's, I think, but I think in a way it's kind of good because it
• 1:44:01
  makes you appreciate the good times, appreciate, you know,
• 1:44:06
  getting through the hard times and just in general being
• 1:44:10
  grateful. all for the good things in life, Bozo, kind of I
• 1:44:15
  think it makes you stronger in general, like this, bring it
• 1:44:18
  back to you, you know, you're a very strong person.
• 1:44:21
  I know you disagree with me and be like there are not but like
• 1:44:23
  you are definitely not but you met you managed to, you know,
• 1:44:27
  build up a sort of a resiliency in a strength of in yourself
• 1:44:30
  that enables you to do this job and do it very well and that's
• 1:44:33
  that's not easy. Not everyone is able to achieve
• 1:44:36
  that. And, you know, it's something I
• 1:44:38
  think we're all working at and, you know, we have moments in
• 1:44:41
  life where we struggle and All we can really do is our best.
• 1:44:46
  That's all we can ever do and just hope it all works out.
• 1:44:56
  And to just sabotage my show, he is thank you so much.
• 1:45:00
  What are you even listening to got through it?
• 1:45:07
  Can I just ask a lot few questions and then we end it
• 1:45:10
  like. Yeah, right.
• 1:45:12
  Is it look? What's the biggest life lesson
• 1:45:28
  you've learned so far? Oh, is that for me or Shane?
• 1:45:34
  Yeah, yeah. Again it's hot and I just roll
• 1:45:42
  with the punches take every day. As it comes.
• 1:45:44
  Yeah, fine. You can have a, have a breakdown
• 1:45:48
  if you need to. But then you literally just pick
• 1:45:54
  yourself up off if I can go again.
• 1:45:57
  Like just don't stop no matter how much you want to give up, no
• 1:46:05
  matter how much you want to stop doing something, even if you
• 1:46:08
  have to take time out and Away, obviously always think about
• 1:46:14
  yourself, always think about you and your mental health, your
• 1:46:18
  physical health because nobody else will another truth.
• 1:46:26
  Obviously always think about you, always try to put you first
• 1:46:32
  obviously in situations where you can.
• 1:46:36
  But yeah, always try to put you first.
• 1:46:39
  Make sure that you're okay before helping somebody else.
• 1:46:44
  Mmm. But again, it's that whole if
• 1:46:50
  you do need to take time away and if you are going through a
• 1:46:55
  tough time, whoo. Will you just piss off?
• 1:47:02
  I can use this to go away. Get yourself someone like Shane
• 1:47:13
  in your life looking they can make you laugh because that's
• 1:47:16
  something that's going to get you through as well.
• 1:47:18
  Just get yourself, okay. Him in his sleep we got we got
• 1:47:30
  we got that we've got the point that I think Sediment and that's
• 1:47:33
  good. Thank you.
• 1:47:36
  Just take some say, if you need time out to light, have a
• 1:47:39
  breakdown, fucking do it because sometimes you're definitely
• 1:47:43
  going to need that but then don't forget to pick yourself
• 1:47:46
  back up and go right? Okay, back on it.
• 1:47:49
  Let's go. I thought punch sounded like a
• 1:47:52
  sound effect. Doesn't raising as a whole.
• 1:47:54
  Some shitty slap is a backhand my day.
• 1:47:57
  I know I know but it sounded like Spectrum.
• 1:47:59
  It was like something out of a cartoon is all.
• 1:48:03
  I might sample it. I mean you can't do a few
• 1:48:06
  months, all right? As we do things to a close for
• 1:48:11
  today. Do you have any upcoming
• 1:48:12
  projects for some final thoughts?
• 1:48:14
  You'd like to share with others and upcoming projects?
• 1:48:18
  Know may-maybe I might I don't know put out a couple more art
• 1:48:24
  pieces. Yes definitely.
• 1:48:26
  Alright some more I don't know but I will definitely obviously
• 1:48:31
  hit you up. If I do and then yeah you can
• 1:48:35
  you can have a look. These have a ganders bushes.
• 1:48:38
  Look well and any final Falls it's been fun it's actually been
• 1:48:47
  more relaxing and enjoyable than I thought it would.
• 1:48:50
  So I don't know why you're so nervous that Salto told you
• 1:48:55
  told, you know, it's like, you know again I am like a stress
• 1:48:59
  driven person. That's good.
• 1:49:03
  I feel like I've learned a lot more about you actually through
• 1:49:04
  this both as a friend as a person.
• 1:49:07
  It's good. And yeah, a massive, thank you
• 1:49:10
  for being on the show and yeah, keep being human.
• 1:49:14
  The world needs more. People like you.
• 1:49:17
  Thank you for having me pleasure.
• 1:49:19
  And for all the listeners of the Christian era podcast, I hope
• 1:49:22
  you enjoyed this episode. As always be safe, be well, and
• 1:49:26
  I'll see you in the next one.