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Empowering Women in Tech: Walking in Authority · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Welcome everyone to another episode of Chatting with Experts TV show
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  with me, Paula Okonneh, the host.
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  Every week I bring to you fabulous women from Africa, the
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  Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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  Our mission is to empower, is to encourage, is to inspire women globally.
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  And every week I have a woman, and sometimes a man, who does this just that.
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  So today I'm going to be talking to women.
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  Our topic is Women Walk In Your Authority to foster responsible technology.
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  And with me to do that is minister Dr.
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  Ann Ingraham.
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  But before she comes on, I want to tell you a bit about her.
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  She is an audience minister and a seasoned health information technology strategist.
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  Well, I can never get that word right.
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  Strategist.
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  who holds a PhD in business administration specializing in
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  engineering and technology management.
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  She's also the CEO of Exponential Health Tech Advisors LLC and
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  Axion Galaxy Incorporated and is also the chief of staff at the
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  Government Blockchain Association,
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  we are going to be talking about women walking in authority to
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  foster responsible technology.
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  And so I'll have her come on and do just that.
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  So welcome to the show, Dr.
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  Ann, I get that wrong all the time, Minister Dr.
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  Ann Ingram.
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  I am thrilled that you are here.
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  Thank you.
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  Welcome to the show, doctor.
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  And I get that wrong all the time.
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  Minister Dr.
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  Ann Ingraham.
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  Welcome.
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  That's Ann.
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  Ann is great.
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  Ann is great.
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  All right.
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  But I want to make sure that people know that.
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  You worked for that minister, certification, a doctorate, you worked
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  for, so we'll give you that honor and then from now onwards, I'll just call you Ann.
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  How about that?
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  Sounds good.
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  Perfect.
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  All right.
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  So, I gave a brief description, and I say brief because your bio is
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  much longer than what I read out.
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  So, tell us a bit about you before we go on with the rest of the show.
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  Sure.
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  Well, I was born and raised in Kingston, Jamaica, so I'm an island girl.
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  Island girl.
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  The best island in the Caribbean.
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  All right, we can stop the recording now.
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  All right.
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  Immigrated to the U.
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  S.
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  when I was 15.
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  And I don't know when we started, whether or not you saw my image photo with my
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  high school picture way, way back when.
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  And then so I went to high school in Brooklyn and went to College of State,
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  New York, and then joined the military.
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  So I'm a veteran.
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  That's good.
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  Yeah, I served active duty for about three and a half, four years.
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  And then I got out and when I went to Europe and then came back and then went
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  back to school for medical technology and then IT, and then, got my PhD.
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  So it's been kind of a long journey.
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  And then within that timeframe also was ordained actually this year.
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  But I've been serving the Lord for a long time.
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  But my ordination was actually prophesied in 2016, but it didn't come to pass
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  without my doing anything about it.
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  But God spoke to the pastor, my part of my journey here.
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  When I came to Florida he said, the Lord told me to ordain you.
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  And so the ordination happens.
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  And so here I am and living my best life.
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  And nothing's better than that.
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  Living your best life in the Lord.
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  Yes, absolutely.
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  In obedience.
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  In obedience.
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  And that's a topic for another day because I could talk a lot about obedience.
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  Yes.
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  What got you down this field?
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  Because I know this is a lonely field for women.
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  We've always talked about how there's not enough women in technology.
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  And our topic today is to Encourage Women to Walk in their Authority
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  and foster Responsible Technology.
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  So what got you into this field in first place?
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  Yes.
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  So I always loved technology.
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  I've always been good in science.
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  When I went to college, I actually went to be a research chemist.
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  So I started out as a chemistry major and then transitioned from...
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  in the military, I was a chemical laboratory technician.
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  So I used to work with radiological agents, nerve agent, anything talk about,
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  you know, your weapons of mass destruction worked in the lab and also used to teach
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  chemistry, math, radiation, physics.
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  He used to teach all of that.
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  Okay.
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  And then I transitioned into healthcare and then computers,
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  when I was in college was the start of, IT, so think way back when.
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  I didn't think I would be a programmer, definitely not because it was so
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  boring to me, but with the advancement of technology and I just love it.
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  I love Star Trek.
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  I love, all of those futuristic scientific, shows that we used to see.
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  And so technology has always been easy for me.
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  Science has always been easy for me.
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  It's kind of what my gifting is.
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  And so I got into healthcare and then now at the intersection of healthcare and I.
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  T.
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  and actually working with more emerging technology like blockchain and A.
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  I.
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  Right.
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  So it's just I'm in my stream, just in my path and I just go with it and I love it.
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  Yeah, I can tell.
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  I mean, your voice says it, your body language says it.
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  So it's good to see women excited about technology.
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  So now let's talk about what is responsible technology?
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  Responsible technology, that's a very good question.
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  And as we know, technology drives organizational success,
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  especially in these times, right?
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  But the point is Responsibly is very important.
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  So alongside the innovation benefits, right?
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  We have concerns that arise about data protection, privacy, inclusivity,
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  bias, in everyday technology.
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  You hear the sparks and concerns about AI and what AI can do
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  if allowed to run amok, right?
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  So responsible technology involves considering the values, the unintended
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  consequences and mitigating risk.
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  It provides inclusivity and ethics and development and deployment,
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  addressing data privacy, security, inclusivity, and ethical use.
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  And so we have to think about how is it going to impact the human.
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  And so when we're talking about ethical technology, we have to think
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  about all those things I mentioned, the privacy, the technology, but
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  then the impact to the human.
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  for that.
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  And what do we need to do, especially as women in tech, ensuring that when
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  technology is created, when algorithms are created, that it does take into
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  consideration the feminine aspect, right?
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  The cultural aspect, right?
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  Racial aspect to reduce biases.
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  And as leaders in technology, we need to have some oversight over that
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  and influence how things are done.
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  Okay.
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  Right.
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  I see the relevance of that, especially now, with AI just being first and
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  foremost and everyone's face, even the places that I'll say in my case,
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  I don't like seeing it on my WhatsApp.
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  I'm like, what is this?
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  This is supposed to be encrypted.
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  And then if I see AI, there's like.
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  Question mark, question mark, question mark.
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  Yeah.
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  So how do we, I mean, how do you go about implementing this responsible technology?
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  Okay, that's a very good question.
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  One of the things that I think we need to make sure that we understand is
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  that we should not be afraid of it.
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  We should not be afraid of it.
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  We should really embrace technology and use it to our advantage.
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  So in terms of as a woman in tech and walking in that leadership authority.
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  Here are some recommendations I would have for you.
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  All right.
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  Right.
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  Let's hear that.
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  Number one.
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  Celebrate your strengths, right?
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  So when you're in that tech field, you have a strength that comes with you.
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  That's what I'm calling that divine authority that God has given you, right?
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  And, we can talk about what that really means maybe at another time, but you've
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  got to celebrate those strengths.
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  You have to be confident in who you are.
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  That means that you need to lead with confidence, right?
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  You need to be bold.
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  You need to break social norms.
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  You need to empower others.
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  So one of the things that I love to do is as I work with other women or
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  young people, you know, try to impart my knowledge to them, right, about the
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  concerns that technology could bring to the table, and then how to work with that
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  concern to reduce and mitigate risks.
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  We have to also embrace growth, right.
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  So, as the technology advanced, there is growth.
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  And we shouldn't shy away from that, right?
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  We should embrace it, to understand it, to influence it, right?
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  Influence that growth.
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  We have to also foster collaboration, as I mentioned, right?
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  Try to build a diverse network and collaborate towards a common goal.
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  You talk about information, implementing that ethical technology.
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  It's about collaboration.
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  It's about understanding the impacts.
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  To different sectors of the population, right?
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  And then we should implement in that technology, do our best to leave an
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  impactful legacy right in the world, because whatever it is that we as
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  leaders in tech right now, implement downstream, there is going to be an
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  impact could be positive or negative.
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  And you want that legacy to be a positive legacy.
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  So we do have to take those things into consideration when implementing
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  and thinking about a human-centric ethical design for technology.
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  Love that answer.
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  You met human-centric ethical design.
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  Wow.
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  And that's why, I think is particularly important that we have women sitting on
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  those boards, sitting at that table, being able to point that out because sometimes
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  we just need that female influence to say, Hey, this is gonna affect not just
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  my generation, but generations to come.
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  And it's important.
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  Absolutely.
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  And as women and men think different, right?
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  Listen, women are from Venus, men are from Mars, right?
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  That whole concept.
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  Mm-Hmm.
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  So we have different way of looking at things, right?
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  And the technology, if it's all male-centric design, you know, by
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  the male mindset, then it leaves out the concerns of the female.
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  And so we really, it's important for us to be at that table.
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  It really is important for...
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  it's important.
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  Today was reading an article about Gen Z's who are now in a phrase.
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  What's the phrase I had grid zero.
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  Where they're deleting or hiding all the pictures that they have on
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  the Gram, because it's like, it's only dawned on them that publicity.
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  I mean, these, the digital imprints are there for life, at
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  least life as we know it now.
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  And so, I mean, people change.
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  Yes.
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  Teenager may not be the same person at 20 years old or 30 years old.
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  And those things live on the, you know, on the web.
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  Absolutely . And whether you're male or female, just as a human you're thinking
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  about your trajectory to adulthood.
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  The way you thought at 15 is different than what you're going to, the way
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  you're going to think at 20, which is different than 30, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Some of the actions that we took at 15, we look back now and we
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  go, Oh my gosh, I read that.
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  Right.
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  And now you've pushed it to the web and it's there for life.
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  For life.
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  And so you now go to an employer and that employer wants to look back because.
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  You know, you can dig and find things on the web, right?
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  Now you've just put yourself in a precarious position where, you
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  know, an offer for an opportunity may be rescinded because.
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  Of something you may have posted decades ago, right?
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  That impression that you give that individual.
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  You know, Maya Angelou said, if someone showed you who they are, believe them.
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  Right?
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  Yes.
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  Really?
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  So really, you know, my 15 year old, let me say, picture of my exposing myself.
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  Is that who I am at 30?
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  That's so true.
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  That is so true.
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  And so, you know, that kind of puts into consideration exactly
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  what we're talking about.
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  Making sure, I mean, responsible technology should start from almost...
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  these days, it starts really from the crib because I see so many parents using iPads
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  or phones, you know, as like a babysitter, they just stick that in from the child.
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  And then you wonder how come the children know what they're not supposed to know.
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  It is so true and you know, the other day I ministered and taught
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  because I'm a teacher at church.
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  That's my gift.
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  My calling is in teaching.
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  So I'm ordained minister with a mandate in teaching.
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  So I'm not a preacher, you know, I always want people to be able to
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  walk away with the word of God in their heart and with understanding.
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  So I'm going to answer your question and kind of make a point here about
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  just putting technology in front of your children and walking away and
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  allowing them to do whatever they want to do, especially with AI.
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  So there is an application, an AI application where you can talk to Jesus.
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  You can talk to the prophets.
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  You can talk to the apostles.
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  You can talk to the angels.
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  You can talk.
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  I don't know that I like that.
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  Okay.
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  Yes.
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  And it's AI driven, right?
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  So you can download this app.
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  And there's a premium version.
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  You can even talk to Satan and it's a premium version.
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  You have to pay for that.
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  So here, just think about it now, right?
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  Where is the ethical and if, especially if you're a believer in Jesus Christ, right?
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  Where's the ethical design for that?
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  Because now I hand this application or this smartphone to my child.
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  Who doesn't have a foundation, a strong foundation, and now they're
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  able to talk to this AI technology and get error in their responses, right?
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  It has an impact.
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  It has an impact.
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  So it still goes back to the human centric aspect of who we are.
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  Yes.
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  Of making sure that there's a foundation and that the parents in
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  the home, the mothers in the home, the leaders in the home, right?
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  The men.
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  Take their position in the home, leaving their family if you
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  have a male in the home, right?
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  But if you're a single mother, a single parent, you have to take that
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  responsibility to ensure that the technology that you are allowing your
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  young ones to use has some ethics based on your cultural or social dynamics.
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  Otherwise, that technology becomes now the parent, becomes now the God in your home.
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  Yes.
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  These are very deep conversations that have to be brought out there and
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  discussed because at the end of the day, we hope, I mean, we are humans.
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  And we hope to continue this human race and this is getting scary, I have to
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  admit, when it seems as if control is going away from human beings and being
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  put in these programs that are programmed by people who may, yeah, by people
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  may or may not have the same values as the parent may have for their child.
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  Absolutely.
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  Anyway, you know, I love using AI additions to my technology, right.
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  And the work that I do, it really it can shorten your effort, right.
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  And time that you take to do things, so like in Chat GPT or in
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  a generative AI tools that are on your phones now, it is a great help.
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  If you use it responsibly,
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  if you use it,
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  yes, it still requires you to think what I'm finding is that even in the
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  workplace, and I work with, again, a lot of executives and high tech
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  people, but sometimes I find people just taking whatever the chat box
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  gives them and republishing it.
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  Right?
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  They don't take time to.
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  Think through is it giving me accurate information?
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  Does it make sense?
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  So there's a problem with that, whether it be in your home or in your workplace.
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  It's still a little bit of plagiarism.
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  And as an academic person...
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  academia, you can, there's an issue with plagiarism.
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  There's nothing wrong with using the technology to spark your thinking or
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  to give you a framework to working because personally, I, yeah, I just
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  like starting with a blank slate.
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  You know, why create, why recreate the wheel,
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But take that wheel and do you need to turn it one way or the other, have a
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  conversation with it within your own self or your own educational realm and
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  research or with your counterparts, right?
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  Use that technology to spark conversation and help you not just
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  put your whole life and say, what it gives me is what I'm going to take.
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  Because as you mentioned, right.
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  Another human programmed the algorithm, even though the
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  technology is learning by itself.
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  But if it's a human that has a bias and that bias is against you,
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  the outcome,
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  The outcome is going to have problems.
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  It's going to have problems, yeah.
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  Oh boy.
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  So that brings us back again to, women in technology and women asserting
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  their authority in the tech industry.
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  And what we talked about a bit earlier is about women sitting at the table.
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  Because some of these conversations...
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  because we are human, sometimes are driven by people who haven't had the,
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  not the human touch, but I want to say the maternal touch, the, that nurturing
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  touch to say that, yes, this may look good on paper or good when program,
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  but there's a younger and very easily influenced generation coming up and
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  we need as the responsible leaders to, put certain parameters in place.
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  Yes.
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  So
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  when a machine, even if it's maybe AI, right, AI is going to think right
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  and dependent on a different type of AI is going to think, but then
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  we come back to that soul aspect of who we are that makes us different.
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  The human versus the technology, right?
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  The technology is not human, cannot be human, will never be human.
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  It could be human-like, right?
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  But there is that soul within us.
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  And for us who are believers in Jesus Christ and are saved, there is the Holy
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  Spirit, which is in us, which is going to give us guidance and give us truth.
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  So when we think about us as women sitting at the table, especially, and
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  I'm really pushing for women who are believers, but by accepting Jesus Christ
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  to be at the table during this era
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  where there's technology advancement, right?
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  We need to be there to bring in that divine inspiration and that
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  understanding of who God is.
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  Yes.
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  To truly be able to stop what could be.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  To stop what could be.
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  Yes.
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  I totally agree.
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  And for those of you listening, you probably would have guessed by
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  now that both ministered and myself Bible-believing-followers of Jesus Christ.
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  And so because of that, I'm talking to other women, because this is a women's
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  show, for the most part, who are also Bible-believing- Christians, to know
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  that many times we need, not to just be in church, but we need to be out there,
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  in the marketplace, in the workplace, sitting among others who may not believe
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  what we believe, so that they can know, and they can be guided by the truths.
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  Because if we are not there, if we are just in the church, we are not.
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  We are not influencing anyone.
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  We're speaking to ourselves, so we need to get out there.
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  We need to sit at the table.
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  We need to be, among, whether it's professionally or wherever people are, not
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  espousing, but letting the truth be known.
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  And that is one reason I had to invite Ann on, because technology
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  is evolving in leaps and bounds.
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  And if we consider ourselves women of Christ.
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  And who also are in the tech world are not at that table.
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  It scares me to think what can happen.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  In 2015, I'm thinking about 2015, the Lord said to me, walk in your authority, right?
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  And so you have to ask, so what is that authority?
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  And so it should be the Christ-inspired authority.
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  When I was younger, leadership was always like a natural for
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  me, but I shied away from it.
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  I didn't want that responsibility.
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  Other people would see it.
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  But I would like that's too much work, because leadership is responsibility
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  and leadership is service.
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  Yes, it is service.
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  It is.
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  So when the Lord said to me, walk in your authority, I said, I am.
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  So right now, anybody that knows me knows that.
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  In my secular professional world, they're getting a believer and a
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  leader according to the gospel.
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  There's no separating those, right?
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  There's a marketplace aspect of who we are, right?
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  If you look back, who did Christ recruit for his apostles?
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  They're all business people, were they not?
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  They were working.
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  Okay.
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  Yep.
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  Esther assigned for a time such as this.
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  Joseph, my book is there, right?
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  A sign within government for a time such as this and the wisdom that God gave
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  Joseph saved the known world at that time.
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  Yes.
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  So my question is for us as women, cause we talk just as believers as a whole,
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  but no, this is a women's program.
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  What is your authority in Jesus Christ?
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  And if God were to say to you today, walk in your authority.
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  What does that mean to you where you work right in your assignment, because
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  what is God going to use you for to save the known world at this time,
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  whether it be in your household, whether it be in your business, whether it
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  be in your government sector, how is God going to use you to save others?
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  We really need to think about that.
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  And if it's in technology, which is where I'm at, I then have a
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  responsibility to have the foresight
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  that Holy Spirit would impart within me to know how to navigate
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  this world and to then to educate my fellow believers who may not be
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  exposed to AI, who may not be exposed to emerging technology, who may not
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  be exposed to the things that are happening behind the scenes with this
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  technology to be able to navigate.
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  Joseph knew based on Pharaoh's vision that he had or his dreams that he
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  had, there was going to be seven years of plenty and seven years of famine.
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  And only Joseph could interpret that dream.
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  Yes.
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  As a woman in tech.
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  Well, how are you going to be the only one to recognize certain aspects of where
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  the company is going, or the government is going if that's where you are, and to
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  be able to navigate to plan and prepare.
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  So, I get passionate about this because,
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  because it's relevant.
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  It's relevant.
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  Yes.
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  We have to,
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  we have to, we have to.
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  Yes.
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  Right.
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  And, you know, as you talked about Joseph, we also see it with Esther.
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  Yes, through her being there at that time, she was influenced and change
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  actions that were not in the favor of the people that were there at that time.
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  Absolutely.
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  Even Moses, Abraham.
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  Yes.
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  Read Hebrews 11.
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  Yes.
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  All those people.
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  All those people.
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  Had an assignment, was walking in their authority.
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  It just so happens that I've been born in this century, and
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  tech is where my mountain is.
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  Yes.
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  Where's your mountain?
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  And that's what some, something I wanted to say is that because yes, we read, that
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  was, hundreds of thousands of years ago, but human beings have not really changed.
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  And we each have a purpose, God has a purpose and plan for each one of us,
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  wherever he may call us, and know that when you have that purpose, you are
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  accountable to him, to doing it, and
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  Yes.
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  Asking him to direct you.
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  Yes.
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  So I'm going to...
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  in my book, I talked about this and I'll try to give a definition here.
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  All right.
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  So
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  if I can find the script, I'm looking at my computer here.
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  All right.
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  So, my pastor Michael Hopel here in, in Florida, he always says some are called,
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  some are chosen and some are sent, right?
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  So let's talk about what being called means.
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  So you can kind of.
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  Figure out where you are in your journey, because if you know and understand
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  where you are in your journey and your assignment, you'll get a bit of
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  understanding of what you need to do.
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  And if you're in tech, you'll understand even more.
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  Okay.
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  So being called by God means that we have a spiritual calling to
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  accomplish a particular mission or ministry or role in the world.
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  When call you're invited, and you're divinely selected and appointed.
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  All that being chosen by God means that we are uniquely
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  selected for an elevation, right?
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  A specific task, a mission, or a role in God's divine plan.
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  But being sent is yet another level of assignment, right?
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  God appoints us to the most exalted office conceivable.
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  Those that are sent are set apart in your commission, your commission to
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  fulfill a mission at an appointed place.
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  So my question to you as a woman leader or a leader in tech like I am, where
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  is your appointed place that your commission, anointed and set apart to be.
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  Joseph was commissioned as there was commission for specific place and time.
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  Okay, so when you're sent to that appointed place.
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  You are to uphold and sustain.
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  A level of authority that God gives you
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  and that authority is to be able to influence
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  that place and those people and to have dominion.
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  Okay.
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  A lot of time as well as even as women in tech, we may sit at the
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  table but we may not have dominion.
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  Yes, expand on that.
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  Okay.
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  When you have dominion.
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  Let me give you an, I'll explain by giving you an example.
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  So, God gave me a part of my assignment in 2021 some real estate, and he
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  said to me when I got here, and there's a long story getting towards
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  this he said to me, Goshen, right?
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  So our place is called Goshen.
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  And just as an example, Goshen was the area in Egypt where the During the time
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  of the famine with Joseph, where his family came into Egypt for provisions and
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  then met him, you know, the whole story.
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  But Goshen is where Pharaoh and Joseph placed 70 people that came in and they
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  prospered over that time and the plagues of Egypt, I think only two even affected
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  them, but everything else missed them.
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  And it's in Goshen where they multiplied that, but like 3 million people left.
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  When they left Egypt out of Goshen and took all the wealth with them.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  Yes.
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  So here in Goshen, when I came, it was a little bit rough, right?
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  We had grass that was higher than the tractor, which was clearing it.
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  We had snakes, we had wild boars, we had everything.
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  So talk about dominion.
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  So one day I was, I stepped off the tractor and I was talking to my son.
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  He was on the tractor.
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  And I went to go step back.
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  And before I step back, the Holy Spirit said to me, stop, look back.
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  So again, we need to be tuned into the Holy Spirit to be listening
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  because we're going to need those instructions in these days, right?
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  And even if you're sitting at the tech table.
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  You have an advantage when you have the Holy Spirit instructing you on what to do.
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  So, as I went to go step back, I looked back and there was a snake.
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  Oh my word.
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  And so I stepped aside.
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  I didn't know at the time it was a good snake, bad snake.
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  Snake was just a snake to me.
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  It was just a snake, yes.
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  It was just a snake to me.
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  But as I step back, then the snake kept on going.
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  So in a way, the snake waited
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  until I stepped out of his pathway before it went forward, showed me that I had
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  dominion in that land, the snake respected me, understand who I was in that land.
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  It was waiting.
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  It understood who the master was.
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  And this is the dominion that Adam had in Eden before he lost it.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So take that now, that understanding of dominion, put it in and at that
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  table, it's not a level of arrogance and ownership and manipulation, but it's just
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  having that authority that God has given you for that particular realm and area
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  that you were sent to, assigned to, right?
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  And when you look at, if you look in the concordance and research, the difference
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  between like power and authority.
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  Authority is the legal and formal right to give commands and make decisions.
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  Do you have that authority?
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  Versus power is potential,
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  but authority is a legal right.
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  So your dominion in your dominion at that table in tech, you have the
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  God given legal right and the God given formal right to make decision.
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  When Joseph was in Egypt, Pharaoh put a ring, the signet ring on his finger.
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  That gave him dominion.
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  That gave him authority.
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  That gave him the formal legal right to make decisions.
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  Yep.
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  We could continue there because I'm thinking of Mordecai.
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  I'm thinking of Esther.
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  Same thing.
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  Yes.
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  But we will have to continue another day.
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  This is so good.
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  But before we go, you talked about Joseph.
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  You've got a book called Joseph's Wisdom.
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  You recently published that.
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  Yes, I did about probably three months ago, something like that.
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  Mm, mm, mm.
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  Yes.
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  Can you just tell us a bit about that?
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  Because I do know that you are online.
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  You're in tech, so you have to be online.
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  But just tell us a bit about that, and then we tell people how they can get
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  in touch with you, get the book, etc.
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  Sure.
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  Absolutely.
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  So as God assigned me to Goshen and gave me an understanding that in
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  my assignment, I am a Joseph right and understanding what is coming.
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  Again, all prophesied word, we know we're in the end times.
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  We can see around us in the natural things that are happening, but that's
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  also things in the spiritual, right?
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  So, the Bible, Matthew 24 tells us we're going to have wars and
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  rumors of wars, we're going to have famine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Well, what God did, He assigned me to prepare, right?
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  Prepare for such a time as this.
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  So within Joseph's wisdom, how to survive and thrive in the era, in Goshen, in the
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  era of the New World Order, I outlined, kind of share a little bit of my journey.
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  I also outlined Joseph and his life and the wisdom that God gave him.
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  God has also given me some prophetic foresight that is in
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  that book for each year up to 2032,
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  giving me a plan as to how to mitigate some of those risks.
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  In the book, I also educate and try to educate people as to some
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  of the shifts that are happening because of technology, right?
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  There's going to be a shift in power.
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  There's going to be a shift in money.
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  Okay.
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  Do we understand what is going to happen and how do we prepare ourselves?
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  Do we understand the mindset behind what I'm going to call the elites
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  who are making decisions and may not be God like decisions, right?
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  And some of the things, the thinking and strategies that there,
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  those people up here, let me make sure we can see it are making that will impact us.
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  And some may not be good.
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  COVID 19, and the time during COVID gave us an example of potentially
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  the power that we gave up.
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  So, all of that is in the book.
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  Yes.
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  They need to buy it to find out even more
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  amazon.
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  com, you can go to amazon.
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  com and get it from amazon.
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  com.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  But I think, you know, even just to understand what technology will do
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  and how it will shift our day to day.
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  I think it's important for us as believers to know.
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  Because a lot of times we are behind the scenes because
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  this is what you're so holy.
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  Yes.
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  You're no earthly good.
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  Be good.
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  Yes.
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  , that's a phrase I say all the time.
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  We've got to be aware of what's happening in the world so that you can pray,
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  so that you can ask for wisdom and how to deal with certain situations.
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  Yes, but you've gotta be earthly good as well.
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  Absolutely.
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  Heavenly minded, earthly good.
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  Exactly.
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  We could talk for hours.
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  I think we're going to have another show because I want to talk more about you.
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  There's going to be a shift.
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  And also, we got to know there's going to be a shift even in
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  the currency as we know it.
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  Talk about blockchain technology.
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  I think we'll have to continue this on another episode, but in the interim,
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  how can people find you online?
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  From what they've heard, I'm sure a lot of people will be interested
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  in knowing more about you and trying to get in touch with you.
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  How can they find you online?
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  They can email me at info, I N F O @ genesis4510.
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  com.
• 40:52
  And if you're going to read Genesis 4510 and 11, you'll have more understanding.
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  So you can email me there and also have a website same domain genesis4510.
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  com.
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  Awesome.
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  And so again, to you, my listeners and viewers, I always say
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  listeners because I was a podcaster before I became a TV show host.
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  As promised, this has been another exceptional episode
• 41:21
  with an exceptional woman
• 41:23
  Thank you.
• 41:24
  as a guest.
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  If you'd like to be a guest on my show, you can reach out to me
• 41:29
  on my website, the contact page.
• 41:32
  My website is chattingwithexperts.
• 41:35
  com or even better.
• 41:39
  You can connect with me on LinkedIn.
• 41:42
  I'm also on Instagram and my handle there is at chat_experts_podcast.
• 41:51
  And these days I'm more present on Facebook than I'm than I've ever been.
• 41:57
  Just look for Paula Okonneh.
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  Dr.
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  Ann, I want to say thank you for,
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  thank you.
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  I wanna call this part one.
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  Yes.
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  And so we'll continue again at another date, but thank you so much for all you
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  shared and letting us know as believers.
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  We have an authority, and as women in tech, we have an even
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  greater responsibility than we probably thought before.
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  Thank you again.
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  All right.