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Full Episode - Trump Won’t Say It… But He Knows The Economy Sucks + Capitol Hill Is A MESS & The Vibes Are LOW · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: that code. Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. Welcome to another
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  Speaker 1: episode of the Chuck Podcast. So got another pack show
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  Speaker 1: for you. Got a top five list that's come up.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll be intrigued by that. I let's just
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  Speaker 1: say I enjoyed putting that one together. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: great interview with the folks that Notice. I would say
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  Speaker 1: one of the new news organizations in Washington that has
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  Speaker 1: really made a positive splash. Probably not since the advent
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  Speaker 1: of punch Bowl, and we had a new news organization
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  Speaker 1: really sort of fill in a gap that was missing.
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  Speaker 1: And Notice, which is sort of the brainchild of Robert Albritton,
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  Speaker 1: a former founder and owner of Politico. He sold Politico.
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  Speaker 1: This is a bit of a startup nonprofit. It's intended
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  Speaker 1: to be also an academy to help mentor and train
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  Speaker 1: younger journalists. I just find the work they're doing terrific.
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  Speaker 1: They're really doing smart reporting on Capitol Hill. But they're
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  Speaker 1: doing something that they're filling a role that the Washington
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  Speaker 1: Post has just abdicated, which is they're covering the town
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  Speaker 1: of Washington. The Washington Post. They've done some they've done
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  Speaker 1: some good reporting lately. And don't get me wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: you can feel this seed change. This is not Washington's
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  Speaker 1: newspaper anymore. It is a national newspaper located in Washington, DC,
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  Speaker 1: and it is It's one of these things where I know,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't live here, you probably haven't really noticed
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  Speaker 1: the changes that much. But if you live in the town,
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  Speaker 1: if you live in the DMV, you're like, the Washington
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  Speaker 1: Post isn't the Washington Post anymore. It's just a different things.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a This is not one of those cases
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  Speaker 1: where they've gone from being a real news organization to
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  Speaker 1: a non news organization. That's not the point I'm making.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you've heard me use this metaphor before,
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  Speaker 1: use this comparison before. I think what Jeff Bezos wants
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Post to be is the Wall Street Journal, right,
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  Speaker 1: a national paper that happens to be located in New York,
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  Speaker 1: which is the Wall Street Journal. In this case, it's
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  Speaker 1: to be a national paper that happens to be located
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  Speaker 1: in Washington. You know. It's coverage of the Virginia governor's
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  Speaker 1: race was pretty much the what by implying that it
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  Speaker 1: was the worst coverage the Post ever gave would imply
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  Speaker 1: that they did coverage. They just sort of treated Virginia
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  Speaker 1: governor as if it were Kansas governor. Like it was
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  Speaker 1: as if they were, like, we're going to report on
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  Speaker 1: this strange land that is like thousands of miles away
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  Speaker 1: from us, rather than a community, that they're part of
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  Speaker 1: the community. It feels that way when you're wondering about
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  Speaker 1: local DC politics. You know they'll cover the top lines.
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  Speaker 1: Mario Boser's not running that gets a story, But their
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  Speaker 1: coverage of local news cultural Washington, if you will, has
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  Speaker 1: been missing. And Notice and we get into this conversation,
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  Speaker 1: my guess are two people from Notice managing editor Kate
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  Speaker 1: and Sarah Congression correspondent Reesce Gorman and I spent a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time talking about. Look, we talk about certainly
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in Capitol Hill in the moment, things
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  Speaker 1: like that, although do not we take this a few
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  Speaker 1: days ago, but they really and perhaps it's just simply opportunity, right,
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  Speaker 1: if the Washington Post isn't going to co this is
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  Speaker 1: a good opportunity for them. But they've already provided better
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  Speaker 1: coverage of the Washington DC mayor's race than anything I've
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  Speaker 1: seen in the Post. That's just one example of this.
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  Speaker 1: But they also sort of cover Capitol Hill both sort
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  Speaker 1: of in the normal way that you'd expect any professional
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  Speaker 1: DC publication to do, but they also capture a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the community aspect of things, something Roll Call
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  Speaker 1: was usually pretty good at doing, but again I go back,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of what we used to get out
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  Speaker 1: of the Washington Post. And again it's you can just
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  Speaker 1: feel it. And I don't want to take anything away
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  Speaker 1: from from the hardcore reporters. There's still good national security reporters,
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  Speaker 1: great congressional reporters. I mean, I never miss a Paul
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  Speaker 1: Kaine piece, I never miss Karen Pummelty. So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want this to come across as
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  Speaker 1: as a burn or some sort of that I'm like
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  Speaker 1: roasting the Washington Post. It's just clear that their priorities
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  Speaker 1: are no longer the region. They're not interested in being
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  Speaker 1: the region's paper or of the local paper. You know.
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  Speaker 1: The best version of the Washington Post to me is
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  Speaker 1: when that's doing both right, it's being the paper of Washington.
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  Speaker 1: So that's uh, that's been missing. And notice has been
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  Speaker 1: just this pleasant surprise a couple of years old. But
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  Speaker 1: this year I really feel like they've they've gotten their
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  Speaker 1: sea legs, and it's just it is now probably the
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's on my four or five I have
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  Speaker 1: to read in the morning list. Not a nice to read,
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  Speaker 1: it's a have to read. On this point, So and
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  Speaker 1: in case you're wondering who I have to reads are,
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  Speaker 1: It's punch Bowl, It's Dispatch, It's the Wall Street Journal,
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  Speaker 1: New York Times, Washington Post. Notice those are my you know,
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  Speaker 1: have to read because they have an impact on the conversation,
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  Speaker 1: even if whether you whether or not you know. And
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  Speaker 1: then there's a There's plenty of other stuff that I
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  Speaker 1: dig into. But it's like, if I really want to
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  Speaker 1: understand what's happening in the business of Washington, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to hit those. You have to hit those markers.
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  Speaker 1: Political one of them too. I don't want to. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't mean to dismiss them. But anyway, that's the that's
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  Speaker 1: the big interview on this one. Like I said, I
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  Speaker 1: have top five lists. I also want to talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about an interesting phenomenon that I think is
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  Speaker 1: developing on the democratic side of the aisle. It's the
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  Speaker 1: subject of my substack this week. Again, I have a
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  Speaker 1: free substack. I'm not going to charge you because I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to paywall here. This is why I've paid
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  Speaker 1: advertising on this and and why you know, trust me,
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  Speaker 1: I get fun little emails from you. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: why are you advertising this? Why are you I'm taking
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  Speaker 1: advertising money so I can make this paywall free if
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  Speaker 1: you will so. But I think you'll be intrigued by
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  Speaker 1: a thesis that I've developed on my substack this week
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  Speaker 1: that involves Gavin Newsom, Mark Kelly, and Jasmine Crockett. All
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  Speaker 1: three of them walk into a bar. No, but the
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  Speaker 1: three of them have something in common. I want to
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  Speaker 1: get into that. But before we then, look, let's uh.
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  Speaker 1: This appears to be the week that Donald Trump wants
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  Speaker 1: to deal with the economy, or wants to show that
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  Speaker 1: he's dealing with the economy. Trip to Pennsylvania Monday, he
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  Speaker 1: announces the big Farmer bailout, does an interview with Political saying, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: he thinks this his economy. The stamp he's putting on
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  Speaker 1: the economy is a plus plus plus. Look, here's the
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  Speaker 1: good news for Republicans that are going to be on
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  Speaker 1: the ballot in twenty twenty six. The President's finally talking
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  Speaker 1: about the economy. Here's the bad news for Republicans on
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  Speaker 1: the ballot in twenty twenty six. He doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 1: accept the premise that this isn't a troubling economy. That
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  Speaker 1: this is and anything that people feel negative of course
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  Speaker 1: he wants you to say, hey, blame my predecessor. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's not it. I'm creating this golden age. But the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he had to do a bailoff for farmers
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  Speaker 1: is a cell phone, right, This is why do we
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  Speaker 1: have this? Because China's boycotting soybeans from the United States,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just a double whamming on our farmers. This
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  Speaker 1: is not a Biden policy. This was Liberation Day that
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump did. And I think that that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting with presidents and how they try to blame,
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  Speaker 1: particularly first year presidents always want to keep the predecessor
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  Speaker 1: in the news long enough to have them still be
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  Speaker 1: seen as the foil if things aren't quite working out right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Barack Obama seemed to go almost four years
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  Speaker 1: convincing the public that he was dealing with this Bush
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  Speaker 1: economy that he inherited, and for the most part, the
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  Speaker 1: voters gave him that benefit of the doubt. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he did the unique trick of changing the question of
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  Speaker 1: are you better off than you were four years ago
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  Speaker 1: to are you going to be better off four years
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  Speaker 1: from now? He flipped the question when that met Romney
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  Speaker 1: race and pulled it off. But for them, and for
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  Speaker 1: his most of his first term, he was able to
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  Speaker 1: convince the public this was Bush's economy, and we had
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  Speaker 1: the Great Recession, and something that catastrophic is not something
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  Speaker 1: that happens overnight. So there was certainly a public that
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  Speaker 1: was you know, believe that it was that was Bush policies,
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps Clinton policies and Bush policies coupled together. Right. So,
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  Speaker 1: but Trump is is not succeeding with that. When you
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  Speaker 1: actually look at polling pluralities, say this is Trump's economy,
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  Speaker 1: say that it's on him. The costs haven't gone down.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, you know, Trump only has himself to blame, right,
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  Speaker 1: his typical bravado, This will be easy, I'll fix this
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  Speaker 1: right away. The Golden Age starts YadA, YadA, YadA, bing
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  Speaker 1: bang boom. Right, Well, it ain't a boom, right, that's
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  Speaker 1: the situation he's in. What's fascinating is is how he
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  Speaker 1: keeps claiming he's going to pay for this bailout of
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  Speaker 1: the farmers. Right, it's a twelve billion dollars in bailout
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  Speaker 1: money that's he's announced. He says he's going to use
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  Speaker 1: the tariff money. Now he's also said he's going to
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  Speaker 1: use the tariff money to give relief checks for middle
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  Speaker 1: and lower income folks who have been hit hard by
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  Speaker 1: the terriffs. And then he also thinks the tariffs are
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  Speaker 1: going to replace the income tax. We just do a
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  Speaker 1: little mass reality check because this is in some ways
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  Speaker 1: this is Donald Trump, right, this is the developer in him.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he promises the world and then let somebody
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  Speaker 1: else finance it or pay the bill. So far, the
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  Speaker 1: US is collected approximately two hundred and fifty billion dollars
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  Speaker 1: in tariff revenue this year. Let's just say that's just
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  Speaker 1: a tag shive of the two point six six trillion
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  Speaker 1: dollars the Internal Revenue Service collects. So two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty billion doesn't quite replace two point sixty six trillion.
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  Speaker 1: So if Donald Trump does plan to have tariff revenue
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  Speaker 1: replace income the income tax, let me just tell you
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  Speaker 1: the dollar store will become the five hundred dollars store.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if we go to a consumption tax, which
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  Speaker 1: many there's always been this movement of some on the
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  Speaker 1: right who hate the income tax and want to repeal
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  Speaker 1: the constitutional amendment that allowed the income tax. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they push what they call a fair tax or a
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  Speaker 1: consumption tax. The Europeans call it a vat tax of
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  Speaker 1: value added tax. Literally, what it does is double, triple,
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  Speaker 1: quadruple the price of a common consumer good. You know.
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  Speaker 1: The argument goes, hey, if a rich person buys a yacht,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to pay an exorbitant tax, and that will
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  Speaker 1: be good for the coffers. But the problem is it
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  Speaker 1: is it is going to be lower and middle income
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  Speaker 1: that end up paying a bigger chunk of their income
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  Speaker 1: to taxes than upper income. Well, so it is a
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  Speaker 1: totally regressive tax system punishes middle and lower the middle
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  Speaker 1: and the lower class, and rewards and rewards the wealthy.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting to me how often Trump hints at wanting
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of the income tax, which is ultimately
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  Speaker 1: it is. To me, it's sort of a very fringe
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  Speaker 1: thing to believe when you consider sort of power system works.
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  Speaker 1: But he's trying to mainstream the idea. But again, his
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  Speaker 1: plan is to he I think he called it once,
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  Speaker 1: the external revenue service will replace the internal revenue service.
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  Speaker 1: But guess what, folks, The American consumer would pay the
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  Speaker 1: taxes just like the American taxpayer pays. But there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more fairness in our tax code. It could
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  Speaker 1: be a little more fair, and it's not. But at
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  Speaker 1: least the tax code as it stands a heck of
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  Speaker 1: a lot more fair than doing some sort of consumption tax,
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  Speaker 1: which would just be a punishing and talk about exasperating
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  Speaker 1: income inequality. It would do so in a heartbeat. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's but in some ways I'm burying the lead here.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that Trump is talking about two things regarding
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  Speaker 1: his tariff policy right. One is to bail out the farmers,
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  Speaker 1: and then two is to use tariff income to cut
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  Speaker 1: a government check to anybody, as he called it, not
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  Speaker 1: including high income, but a two thousand dollars check for
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  Speaker 1: every for every taxpayer. I don't think that's going to
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  Speaker 1: pass Congress. You already have some deficit hawks, and again
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  Speaker 1: sometimes want to be careful using the phrase deficit hawks.
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  Speaker 1: There are no deficit hawks in Washington. What you have
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  Speaker 1: is you have partisans who care about the deficit when
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  Speaker 1: the other parties in charge. Right, there are chunks, and
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  Speaker 1: that is a fact. There. There's a handful of Democrats
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  Speaker 1: and a handful of Republicans that do talk about the
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  Speaker 1: debt and deficit. Usually they care about it more when
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  Speaker 1: the other party's in charge. Yes, there's one or two.
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  Speaker 1: And I think on the Republican side there's enough that
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  Speaker 1: don't want to look like hypocrites that they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be for writing these writing these checks. But again
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  Speaker 1: I go back, the real headline is Donald Trump admits
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  Speaker 1: his economy isn't working, so he's desperately trying to throw
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  Speaker 1: money at the problem. Right, That's what's really happening here.
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  Speaker 1: And if they feel like they have to go down
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  Speaker 1: that road, they're in big trouble. Now, let's talk about,
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  Speaker 1: just very quickly, sort of how the economy plays in
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  Speaker 1: a campaign. There's sort of a traditional measurement here, and
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  Speaker 1: sort of there's sort of a running theory. This has
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  Speaker 1: gotten There's been studies among political scientists on this. This
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  Speaker 1: isn't just sort of sort of speculation. But basically, what
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  Speaker 1: the economy actually is in May June of an election
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  Speaker 1: year is what that economy is will be the perception
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  Speaker 1: of the economy that the voter thinks of going into November.
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  Speaker 1: The point being is that if we are in a
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  Speaker 1: recovery in August, September, October, the voter isn't going to
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  Speaker 1: feel it by election day. This happened. This happened to
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  Speaker 1: George HW. Bush in nineteen ninety two. The economy wasn't
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  Speaker 1: doing well. It was starting to recover in the fall
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  Speaker 1: of ninety two, but by that point it was too late.
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  Speaker 1: Clinton had already won the argument that Bush had taken
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  Speaker 1: his eye off the ball in the economy, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and then it was up to him to turn it around.
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  Speaker 1: Why did he get a quick turnaround in the economy
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  Speaker 1: because it was already kind of turning around, right. It's
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  Speaker 1: like how Donald Trump inherited a healing economy from Barack Obama,
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  Speaker 1: so suddenly it was but he got all the credit
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  Speaker 1: when we had a sort of an economy that actually
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  Speaker 1: started to hum in twenty seventeen until he did the
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  Speaker 1: tax the tax cut, which in a weird way sort
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  Speaker 1: of caused a lot more long term deficit issues and such.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the big headline out of this is that
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  Speaker 1: he's at least if you're an elected Republican and Capitol Hill,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to be relieved they're at least trying, or
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  Speaker 1: at least there's an attempt to try. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he undermines himself on his economic argument when he'll you know,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't want to. He calls affordability a con job
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  Speaker 1: or you know, he says, yes, I know things need
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  Speaker 1: to go lower, but hey, that was the previous one,
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  Speaker 1: and we're making you know, this is going to be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, he talks about things that aren't happening yet,
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  Speaker 1: all this manufacturing that he's bringing back. In theory, he's
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  Speaker 1: hoping to bring back some manufacturing. But as we've seen,
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  Speaker 1: this economy actually has been been punished on the manufacturing front,
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  Speaker 1: more so with these tariffs. But that to me is
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  Speaker 1: the biggest To me, the really big headline is Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump acknowledges his economy's terrible, and he's trying to throw
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  Speaker 1: money at the problem to try to to try to
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  Speaker 1: buy some call. Right. And frankly, I think any president
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  Speaker 1: in this position would be looking for some way to
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  Speaker 1: do this. Trump being a you know, he's sort of
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  Speaker 1: a non ideologic, you know, sort of his version of
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  Speaker 1: populism is chicken in every pot, Let me write a check,
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  Speaker 1: let me do this, let me you know, you throw
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  Speaker 1: money today and worry about tomorrow tomorrow. Right. That is
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  Speaker 1: the philosophy of Donald Trump, which is why when he
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  Speaker 1: leaves the presidency. Whoever's his successor is going to have
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  Speaker 1: a total and complete as show to deal with because
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he will not care of the situation he leaves. He
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: will do everything he can to push any problem off
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: on his successor, no matter who his successor is. A
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: quick little update on Obamacare before I get to the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: sort of the main my main monologue topic for the day,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: keep an eye out on the following compromise. Punchble had this,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was an important compromise. It's a
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: bipartisan group of House members are introducing a bill to
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: extend the Obamacare subsidies. They would extend them for two years.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: They would add income limits so there'd be some sort
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: of essentially means test of some sort, and put in
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: some anti fraud measures, which is usually code for you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: waste fraud and abuse. Frankly, anytime you know each party
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: claims that they're always worried about it, I think they
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: generally are worried about it, but they always put a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: higher price on what waste croad of abuse is going
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to deliver than it actually does. Just so you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: this is true, whether it's Democrats doing it or Republicans
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: doing it, I'm just telling you, whenever you hear, oh,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: we're going to get what waste froed and abuse is
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: going to count for x percent. Okay, good luck with that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: You know that those are not real do to be
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: counting on. But the reason I find this bill to
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: be the potential starting point of a healthcare compromise number one,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I just think the politics are so bad right now
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: in healthcare for Republicans that they're looking for an exit ramp.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: This seems like a reasonable exit ramp. Again, it's bipartisan
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: House members. The Republicans are Brian Fitzpatrick Swing district in Pennsylvania,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Don Bacon who's retiring, Rob Resdahan Swing district in Pennsylvania.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Nicole Maliotakis in New York another swing district. On the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Democratic sidey of Jared Golan retired Golden retiring Tom Swazi
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Swingish district in New York, though safer under this, Don
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Davis in North Carolina. They're in the middle of new
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Jerry Mander and then sort of the queen of the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Blue Dogs these days, Marie Glusen camp Perez. So it
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: is sort of on the conservative side, on the Democratic
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: side on the sort of very centrist side on the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Republican side. In theory, in the pre Trump era, this
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: is how compromises were struck. This is how you got
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: out of this situation. I think this is chance. This
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: is is the framework. They're threatening a discharge petition if
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: they can't get a vote. We know where Johnson is
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: on this. He doesn't want to. But the point is
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: is if you told me senators sort of took up
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: this framework as a framework, it wouldn't surprise me. Now, look,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: let's be realistic here. If we're going to get an
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: extension of the Obamacare subsidies, a couple things have to happen.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Number One, Trump has to endorse this in some form
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: or another, either say won't veto it, he's not against it,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you know something, and sort of there's different levels of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: him supporting it. He can sort of grudgingly promise he'll
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: sign the bill into law, which is code for let
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Democrats carry most of the water, provide just enough Republicans
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to get it passed. So in the Senate that would
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: mean you go find thirteen Republicans in the House. I'm
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: guessing it would be sort of, you know, two thirds
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of the Democratic House and one third of the Republican House,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: so something that can to that. Obviously, I still think
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: there's a chance Trump just says no, extend it. Maybe
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he does one year or whatever, and he sort of
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: dictates the terms of the debate. But I still think
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it made, you know, in that sense, then maybe it
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: will be more Republicans than Democrats. But I think where
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: things stand now in the House, what I don't envision
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: is a bill that passes the House with more Republicans
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: than Democrats to extend Obamacare subsidies. That I don't quite see.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: But the point is, pay attention to that one. It
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: seemed to be the most reasonable compromise that's making the rounds.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: You know. Two years sort of takes it out of
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the political you know, sort of does throw it back
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty eight political stream, if you will.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: But maybe there should be a presidential fight, if you will.
• 21:50
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  Speaker 1: I just want to it's sort of my way of
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  Speaker 1: dealing with what's going on in Texas and the primary situation.
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  Speaker 1: But it's more of a you know, the world of journalism.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: When you're a reporter, we all operate under the rule
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of three, right, which is three's a trent, two's interesting,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: but three's a trent. And I've been stewing on an
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: idea that it had two being interesting. And that was
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: how Gavin Newsome and Mark Kelly both successfully used fights
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: with Donald Trump to sort of vault them into the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: zeitgeist of democratic chatter, particularly twenty twenty eight presidential chatter, right,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you know, and how it wasn't it's not being done
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: with ideology, not being done with an issue. It's being
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: just shown as being willing to fight Trump. Right, So
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom has been willing to fight back at Trump
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: re redistricting debating Rondecantis last year, right, he is he
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: has not been an ideologue. I mean, if you know
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom and you're honest about where his place in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the California Democratic Party. You know, he's the business friendly
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Democrat and always has been business friendly Democrat. When Jerry
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Brown was governor, who was Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom hanging
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: out with then Lieutenant Governor Rick Perry excuse me, governor
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Texas Governor Rick Perry talking up, you know, admitting that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: sometimes California made it hard, a little bit harder to
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: do business than Texas. I don't know those of you
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: have a memory that goes back that far. I know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: anything pre COVID, all of our brains get a little mushy.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: But this was sometime in like, you know, twenty eleven,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve, when Gavin was sort of the lieutenant governor
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: with nothing to do, which most lieutenant governors have nothing
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to do, and he wasn't always very close with Jerry Brown,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: so he was kind of in no man's land and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he had it just sort of make his own way.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So you know, he's not a left winger. I know
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the perception of California Democratic politics is is all liberal
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and left wing. He really is sort of considered a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: business friendly Democrat. I think on social issues, you could
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: certainly call him a big liberal, but it's one of those.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: But it's been interesting to me how he's become essentially
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: their early front runner for twenty twenty eight. And it's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: not due to anything. He's no big policy proposals that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: he's rolled out. Nothing, no big policy the he wants
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to run on in California. If anything, his job approval
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: ratings when California voters have been middling at best, kind
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of underwater during twenty twenty four. But what really jump
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: started him was a fight with Trump, a fight with
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Mega right. Take Mark Kelly and the and the and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the video. Well, Mark Kelly had a nice little run
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: here for the last couple of weeks. In fact, I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: got to read you. I got to read you this.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: You know, he's become such a darling if you will,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: after this fight over following you know, over not following
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: illegal orders where Pete hakes Hath sort of threatened to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: bring charges against him. Well, he's he's become something that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: we hadn't seen before. You know, Kelly has this. His
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: bio has more charisma at times than Kelly comes across, right,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and he's not alone at John Glenno. This always hung
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: over John Glenn's head, like I've always wanted to write
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: a book of a collection of essays on I can't
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: believe they never became president. When you look at the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: resumes of some people that ran for president but never
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: became president, Bill Bradley and John Glenn are two people
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I've always in Bob Dole, right, those would be the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: three you'd put the cover. You're like, given everything they
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: did and accomplished in the world of in Bill Bradley's case, sports,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, and academia versus the world of you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a hero an American hero, astronaut, and John Glenn an
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: American hero in the battlefield in Bob Dole. But Glenn
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: always had this and I think, if you know, if
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to orbit the Earth by yourself, you kind
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of have to be pretty good at being a loner.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't always make you the most charismatic figure.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And Glenn's resume was always more charismatic than the person himself.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And that's been whispered about about Mark Kelly, and you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of people know he's kind of interested, he
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: might be interested in running for president. He was on
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the shortlist for Kamala Harris when she was interviewing VP candidates.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But there's always been whispers of you know, he's got
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the astronaut personality, which means you know, when you're when
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you're going up and staying in space for a while,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, you just you it is. It's just
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: it takes a different type of personality to to do that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's not always the most outgoing personality, if you will.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But boy, have Pete Hegsith, you know, threatened court martial
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: after you, and it, first of all, really fired up.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I saw a version of Mark Kelly I hadn't seen
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: before on television, and he's taken advantage of the moment.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: He did doing fundraising emails. Let me read you this
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: one that he did for Katie Obbs, the governor of Arizona,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and it begins. You've been hearing a lot from me
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: lately about the threats and attacks made against me from
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his administration, what they represent, and why
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: this is such uncharted territory for all of us. I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: can't think thank you enough for all the support you've
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: shown me, my team, and my family. But today I'm
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: writing you to urge you to support Katie Hobbs's reelection campaign.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: The point is is that you know, Mark Kelly's also
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: considered to be somewhat of a centrist. He taught he
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: himself rigs about being a former Republican. He's not, you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: he's not going to be mistaken for AOC or Bernie Sanders.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But he got some juice because he he picked a
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: fight with Donald Trump, right. It gave him some energy,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It gave him juice, allowed him to stand out in
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a way he hadn't been able to stand out yet
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: among those that are pondering twenty eight. So that was
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: what I was hanging by. I was like, Okay, this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: is interesting. There's two. But I wasn't ready to write
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: about it until I saw the announcement video for Jasmine Crockett. She,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of course, is the Dallas congresswoman I've interviewed here. I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: really encourage anybody who didn't catch that interview I did
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: with her a few months ago to go back and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: listen to that intervi view with Jasmine Crockett, because I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: can tell you I went into it with one idea
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of who she is, and I came out of it
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with a totally different idea. I think people underestimate her
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: at your own peril. I think this is somebody who
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: might be too quick. So maybe she speaks too quick,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe she speaks faster than she thinks sometimes. But the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: point is she's always thinking and she's very savvy and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: she doesn't make the same mistake twice, which is always
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: interesting with with smart politicians. But her announcement video was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: even more It was sort of even more grounded in
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: fight if you will, with Trump, it's just her in silence.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: You know that she doesn't say a word. All you
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: do is hear every Donald Trump insult against Crockett. So
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: it's just Donald Trump's voiceover insulting Jasmine Crockett in all
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: sorts of ways, her intellect, et cetera.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: How about this new one.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: They have their new star.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: How about her?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: She's the new star of the Democrat Party, Jessmine Crockett.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: They're in big trouble.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: But you have this woman Crockett.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: She's a very low IQ person.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I watched her speak the other day.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: She's definitely a low IQ person. Crocket. Oh man, oh man, She's.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: A very low IQ person.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And it's just first it's a stone faced Crockett and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: then at the end, She smiles. But it's so there's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: my trend, right, which is are you going to run
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: on something, are you going to run on an ideology,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: or are you going to run as a fighter? And
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: right now, the fastest way to get traction in democratic
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: politics is to be a fighter. It's more than being
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: left or right. It really is fight versus unite. Right,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: there's I've said, there's sort of there are multiple divides
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: inside each party. The two biggest in the Democratic side
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: are the progressives and the sort of centrist. That's a
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: big one and not insignificant, and certainly one that is
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that could hold Democrats back from having a massive successful
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: election Night twenty twenty six, depending on how these primaries
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: pay out. But the problem is the primary voter wants
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: a fighter. Now, they'll take a centrist if you're a fighter.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And that's the point I'm making here. I think it's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: fascinating to watch, particularly with Newsom and Kelly, because having
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the fighter sort of picking a fight with Trump avoids
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the progressive litmus tests, and in some ways you can
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: connect with progressives on emotion rather than on substance, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: you can and that look Bill Clinton, I would argue,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: was able to win over the base of the party
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: when he showed himself to be a fighter. He never
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: changed his ideology. He never sort of veered left on ideology,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you know, he was always sort of very much in
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the center left. But he showed he was willing to
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: punch back and so and certainly when he took a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: hit with impeachment, that's when the base really finally fell
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: in love with him, because again, he showed himself to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: be a fighter. So I think there's I'm not saying
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: that this might not you know, that this might be
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a necessity if you want to run for office in
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: twenty six or twenty eight, but I will lament that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You know, if I could argue that Democrats are going
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: down the same road that Republicans have been on for
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the last decade, which is Republicans don't run on anything.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: They don't run on any big ideas. What they really
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: run on is owning the lips, right, Like that's the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: cohesive messaging, which is back right, it's been I've heard
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it from conservatives. So you got to fight back, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: you know there's not enough fight. I mean, you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: in fact, it gets me to one more item. I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: want to get to get to you guys here in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a minute. That kind of fits this sometimes where the
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: where the left and the right aren't very self aware
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: of their own of their own behavior sometimes. But Republicans
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: have been running on this sort of just looking for fighters,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and in some ways you can overcome certain, you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: old stances, whether it's neocon stuff or it's formally democratic
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: ideas or quote unquote woke things if you bring the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: fight to owning the Libs right, and now you really
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: have a democratic party that may be more animated by
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: looking for those that are willing to quote unquote own
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the magas right, you know, own the right. The downside
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to this is you don't stand for anything, and I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: think there's a little more risk there for Republicans, for
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Democrats on that than Republicans. I think there's a chunk
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of voters that do expect Democrats to stand for something,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: do expect a lot of issue papers and white papers,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: and there could be some disappointment in that when that's missing,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And I could argue that, you know, I wish you know.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Another part of my sub stack is, you know, we've
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: got a lot of important issues we should be debating.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But even on the even if we debate the right issue,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: we debate it the wrong way. Let me give you
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: an example. Take take immigration. Right we fight it is
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: kind of an eighty twenty issue, as if it is
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: xenophobia versus open borders, when really what we should debating
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: is what does a functional citizenship pathway look like? What
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: do modernized worker visas look like? How do you increase
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: strong border security in addition to having more legal immigration.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: These are fifty one to forty nine issues, meaning you know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the country's pretty divided on these solutions. They're not divided
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: on the big ticket ideas, but they we really should
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: have a debate on. Okay, how would we do this,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and we're not going to have that debate. Public education
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is another one we just us. You know, school choices
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: just shorthand for conflict. It isn't for the debate. If
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: if you look at it as a fifty one forty
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: nine problem, then we would be having a debate about
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: teacher retention, funding formulas, How would we teach ai in classrooms?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: What is the purpose of high school in the twenty
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: first century versus what it was in the twentieth century
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: versus what it was in the nineteenth century. But that's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: not sexy, that's not viral. So it's like the only
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: time we have our debate substance is when we have
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: we sort of create straw men about the other side. Right,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: each side creates an eighty twenty straw man that doesn't
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: really exist in the real electorate. The real electorate is divided,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you know, is actually more in general agreement, but divided
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: on the implementation of of of those solutions. There's general
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: agreement that immigration is a net positive in this country.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: There's general agreement that there should be reasonable pathways to citizenship,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: but some of the details we genuinely disagree on. But
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have those debates, So that to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: me is the risk here. But make no mistake, we
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: are seeing and I think the fact is I think
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you're going to have I don't. I don't think you're Look,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: do I think one or two Democrats are going to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: try to be the issue candidates? I do. That's going
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to happen in twenty twenty. Someone always tries to play
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that role. Bruce Babbott was that guy in ninety two.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren was that person in twenty twenty. You know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: there's always a version of that candidate. They don't always
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: do as well as they might in political science classes
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: on that front. But I think you're going to see,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you know, am I skeptical that Krockt can win that
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Senate seat? I am, But I'm not skeptical that she
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: can win the primary if she shows, you know, especially
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: because she's positioning herself as I'm the one that's taken
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the fight to him and James Tallerico is more of
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the hey, let can't we all a little bit of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: e can't we all just get along? So we're going
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: to have an interesting fight where two people who I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: think both would describe themselves as progressive, but you're going
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to have a divide a fight versus unite and what's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the attitude of the Democratic Party in going to be
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: in the spring of twenty six. It's possible by the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: spring of twenty eight, when we're having the presidential primary
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: fight that Democrats are looking for a uniter by then,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: because maybe they've won both Houses of Congress in the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: twenty six midterms. But until they have some power, I
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear that the fighting that the litmus
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: test for a Democratic candidate for office, at least right
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: now appears to be Are you willing to have a
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: fight with the Trump administration? Have you picked a fight
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: with the Trump administration? Or will the Trump administration pick
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a fight with you that will be seen as an
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: asset not a liability. One more nugget. I'm sure some
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of you caught Nancy Mace's abed in the New York Times.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I found it hilarious because it's sort of a I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: can't tell you how often each there are members of
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: each party that really believe this about the other party.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Here's what she writes, Here's a hard truth Republicans don't
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: want to hear. Nancy Pelosi was a more effective House
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Speaker than any Republican this century. I agree with her
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: on essentially nothing, but she understood something we don't. No
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: majority is permanent. When Democrats hold the majority, they ran
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: through the most progressive policies they can. They delivered for
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the coalers and elected them while they are in power.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Let me stop her right there, so, I promise you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: if you survey House Democrats who have been in Congress
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: as long as Nancy mays, if not longer, many of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: them would say the following When Republicans hold the majority.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: They ran through the most conservative policies they can. They
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: deliver for their coalition that elected them while they are
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: in power, but Democrats don't ever do it. Ask a
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: progressive if they think Democrats know how to use power,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: they will tell you that Republicans are better at using power.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: And here's Nancy May saying, no, Republicans suck at using power.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: It's the Democrats that know to use power. It's astonishing
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that we all live in the same country right like
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: that we are seeing this. The bottom line is is
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that you you know, if you look at at Democrats,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: they ended up you know, they were sort of they
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: took a haircut, right, Joe Mansion made Joe Biden take
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a haircut. Right. They didn't get to jam everything through.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Barack Obama stood down on trying to do cap and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: trade after he did Obamacare. It's actually Trump and the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Republicans that seem to at least keep pushing the ut.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: They're willing to take a bad vote to fulfill a
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: promise in a way that Democrats aren't always willing to do.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And I think part of that is this version of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party won because they effectively made the argument
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that the previous leadership regime of the Republican Party, sort
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: of the Bush Romney era, didn't fight hard enough, didn't
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: try to push conservative principles compromise, and always threw the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: right under the bus. But I just found the op
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: ed amusing to me because that phrase when when she
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: claimed when Democrats hold the majority, they ram through the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: most progressive policies they can. Literally half the Democratic Caucus
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: believes when Republicans hold the majority, they ran through the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: most conservative policies that they can. This is the world
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: we live in, right where it's a lot easier to
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: portray yourself or your party as a victim of some
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: sort rather than acknowledging the actual reality of the actual
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: situations that we're in. All right, I've done enough here.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Let's sneak in a break, and when we come back,
• 42:17
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  Speaker 2: It is.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: News of the United States. The otis potusctis all of
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: those fun little acronyms that we Washingtonians love to use
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and abuse. But Notice has become it is the original.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: One of the original founders of Politico, Robert Albritton is
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: basically is the godfather of Notice. It is a nonprofit
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: that's in some ways they are becoming the Washington Bureau
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: for independent local news. In some ways they're the independent
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Washington bureau that exists today. And I'll just put it
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: in these terms. In Washington every morning, I now care
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: about four email alerts that I have to read before
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I read anything else. Washington Post, punch Bowl, Politico, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I put Notice in that category. They have been scoop
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: machines on Capitol Hill because that's the point they've been
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: going to where the best news, the easiest place to
• 44:43
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• 44:48
  Speaker 1: In joining me now or two of the one is
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the managing editor, Kate Nesara and one of their great reporters,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Rees Gorman, who just started a podcast for Notice. Welcome
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to both of you. Thank you, appreciate appreciate you coming on, Kate.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Before we get into sort of the world that we're
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: all in the middle of covering right now and and
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: what we're watching, and I will time stamp this. We're
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: taping Tuesday afternoon here on December second, So if you
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it might be a few things out of date, but
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: why don't you add to what I didn't include in
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: yours in the description of Notice and in the origin story,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: in your origin story of how you got there?
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Sure, as you said, Notice is a non partisan newsroom
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: in Washington, d C.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: We cover power and politics.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: A lot of our focus of our coverage is on
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: the Hill, but we also cover agencies, the White House
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: policy uh and we our model is we have early
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: career journalists, work with more veteran journalists like Michelle and
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: bring them through you know, a two year fellowship over
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: at the All Britton Journalism Institute.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: That's our nonprofit side work with them.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: They get, you know, full newsroom experience, They focus on
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: state delegations, they focus on different beats. They really get
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: like the full education of what it is to be
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: a Washington.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: See a reporter.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: It's super inspiring, wonderful to work in a place where
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: people you know, really want to do this job and
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: want to do this great work. And at the same time,
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: like we break news, you know, we have reporters like
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Reece who are on Capitol Hills breaking news and teaching
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: these folks how to do it. And it's awesome just
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: to bring everybody together and like towards the school, you know.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Making Washington. We are entering our third third year.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: This is your third year. My apologies, it feels still
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: feels new to Washington. Still feel new, Yeah.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, I still feel I still feel.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: New, new to notice.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: But I think that's like the exciting part of being
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: at a startup, being at something new, is that it
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: does feel new and fresh. I do think that, Like really,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: in the last year, we have established ourselves as you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: a go to place for people to get their news
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: and very reliable.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: You use you went out of your way to use
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the word non partisan. How how do you you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: other than saying it a million times? Right? Give me
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: how how do you? I go back in the movie
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Tommy Boy, there's this guy says I want to guarantee
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: on the box, right, and he says, I like it
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: saying guarantee right, we all want to say nonpartisan. What
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: does it mean? And how do you execute a policy
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: that guarantees that this is nonpartisan?
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think it means like not pulling your punches
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: right or making sure that you.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Just be you know, one.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Person says the sky is blue, and so the other
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: person has to say the sky is black. It doesn't
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: mean that. I think it means that we're going to
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: tell the stories that are interesting to our readers, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: we don't really care if they're about Republicans or Democrats.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: We're going to break big news about about all the
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: characters in DC. And what non partisan means to me
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: is going after the stories that our audience wants, that
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: our audience needs, like what serves them best. And so
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: to me, that is not some sort of middling or
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: mealy mouthed way of saying like, yes, we need to
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: show both that we obviously go and ask for comment
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: from both sides. But I think that it is about
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: making sure that we go where the story is.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to say about the phrase fair and balance.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Balance is the code word there. It's called fairness. If
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you're fair you can't balance the truth, just like you're saying.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: It's like sometimes there's both sides to an argument. Sometimes
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: there's not. You're just seeking the truth. So it is
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: what it is. One other one other thing you've mentioned
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: is your audience. Who do you believe is your who?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Who do you imagine is your audience? Right? Like we
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: all you know, there's the audience that you have, the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: audience that you want, So tell me the audience that
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you want. And who you think your your sort of
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: median reader is.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Think our median reader is a pretty knowledgeable Washington you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: someone who who is a policy maker. We definitely want
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: to talk to the people who are looking at laws
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: making laws. But then that ring sort of expands outwards.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: We also something we have at Notices called the Washington
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Bureau Initiative where the fellows from the A. J. I. Side,
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: who who are reporters notice cover state delegations. I think probably,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: as you know, a lot of state delegation coverage has
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: really gone by the wayside, and so it's yeah, yeah,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: it's gone right, Like probably like the New York Post
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: has as a reporter in DC, but they're they're covering
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: the delegations, so having eyes and ears on lawmakers see uh.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: And we partner with local outlets in a number of
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: different states and and are able to provide them coverage.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: So there's that circle, and then the circle of you know,
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: sort of expands outwards from there, right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think about you know, when you
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: were talking about its early entry journalists. You know where
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I got my start was at the Hotline, and that's
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: basically was our pitch. You know, we were there, we
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: want to be your first job, your first real job
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: out of journalism, your first real job as you get
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: ready to understand Washington. And there were other entities out
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: there that were sort of similar put it this way,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: similar financial lifestyles, meaning you didn't make very much money.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: It was there was something called State's News Service. You'd
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: have things called like Medill's News Service, which was you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: in a few other journalism schools that tried to do
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: the same thing you're doing with your institute, which is,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: can you kind of be a Washington bureau for news
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: organizations that don't have one, Like I remember a friend
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: of mine at the Hotline got to be the Washington
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: bureau for the Dover Delaware, the Delaware State News, which
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: meant he got to sit down and interview their senior
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: senator at the time, a guy named Joe Biden. And
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: it was like, because there was no other person to
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: talk to if you wanted to talk to the state's
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: largest newspaper, Are you guys alone in this space now?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Or State's News still around you see this? Are you
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: guys suddenly the only only shop in town that is
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: sort of turning into this incubator for young journalists political journalists.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't go as far to says that we're the
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: only shop in town. I think we're probably the best
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: shop in town personally, but you know, certainly, I think
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: one of the more intensive programs for the fellows that
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: come in through here and they have, you know, a
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: very long, intensive boot camp when they first arrive, but
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: then every day is really a boot camp working in
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: a newsroom. I know when I started on Capitol Hill,
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: I was just kind of like dropped into it and
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: it was like figure it out. And there is a
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: method to that madness, right like sink or swim?
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Can you do it?
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: I do think like journalists, you know, learn how to
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: figure it out, But like I didn't know where the
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: food was on the.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Hill for a really long time. I was just walking
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: around hungry all day.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Bathrooms, right Like I always say this, like that's how
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you you know, you know, over time you figure out, Yeah,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: you know what, the second floor in Rayburn has a
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: bathroom that's you know, actually kind of clean, and you know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: don't you know if you get over here. But that
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: takes time. I mean, I know that's silly, but it's
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: not silly, you know, it's the way you do your job.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Ment Like mentorship, real mentorship between reporters like Reese or Riley,
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Rodgerson or the you know, the people that really do
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: this day in and day out, where where the younger
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: fellows can come and learn from them directly and learn
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: from the editors directly. Like that is not built into
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: most newsrooms that I have ever seen. We like to
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: call it like a teaching hospital model, where we are
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: you know, we're we're here, we're doing really important work,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: and the residents come in and learn from us, but
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: they are also really doing the work. I mean, some
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: of our biggest stories have been broken by aji fellows
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: who are also reporters, and so you know, I'm just like,
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: incredibly proud every day of the work that I'm doing.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: And to be doing this work in twenty twenty five
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: and feeling both like very proud and inspired, I think
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: is probably probably rare.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: I can speak for myself and just say that I'm
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: very happy to be doing what I'm doing.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Rees I mean, describe your experience at notice, how'd you
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: get there? And I like to echo what Kate said,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of my feeling in what I'm
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: doing in the world of independent journalism. It must be
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: nice to be at a place that wants to grow
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: rather than shrain.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Definitely, And that's kind of how I got I mean,
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: I was in Oklahoma doing local news and then start
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: got a job with the Washington Examiner covering Congress and
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: was really had just kind of thrown to the deep
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: end and just started doing it. Went to the Daily Beast,
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: was there for only about three or four months, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: too point, the Daily Beasts did.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Not want to grow.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: We got sold about three months into me being there,
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: and they basically just were like, you guys are not
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: going to be here much longer. And I don't think
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: they have a DC Bureau anymore. And so in that
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: I was like looking for obviously a job. I mean,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: the variety was on the wall that we're I was
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: gonna be laid off, like they're getting rid of everyone.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: And Notice came along.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: And I got a I think Tim, I know for
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: a fact. So I get a call from Tim Alberta,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: who's one of our uh one of a mentor here
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: at Notice for the for the Fellows, and he was like,
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I want you you should come work at Notice. And
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: I was like, I don't even know really what Notice
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: is at this point, Like I I think my boss,
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: my boss, the Daily Beast had gone, but like I
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: it was still less than a year old at this point.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: And he was like, just come get a drink with
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: me and Tim Greve, the editor, and I'll convince you
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  Speaker 5: to come. So I think that night got a drink
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: and I was by the end of the night, I
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: was like, Okay, sounds like I'm going to Notice. So
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: that's kind of why I wanted to go and then
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: start a feeling to your point, is very fun. It's
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: nice to be able to be a place that grows,
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: having the freedom to chase down stories that I like
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: chasing down. I get time if I tell Kate about
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: oh I have this crazy tip or whatever, there's the
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: freedom to me to go chase it down, to report
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: it out without the pressure of this has to be
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: a story. It's okay if there's something I chase down
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: turns out to be a dead end, which happens a lot.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: That happens a lot of journalism. That's it's not always
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: so I do appreciate the ability to just go chase
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: down tips that I get without the pressure of being like, Okay,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: this doesn't pan out, then I'm going to be in trouble,
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: and that's happened a lot. But also a lot of
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: the tips I've been given the ability to chase out
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: and have worked out to be good stories and have
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: turned out to be very promising ones as well. And
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: they're not afraid to take a big swing at people,
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: and that's something I love.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, a lot of the stories I've written have
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: made people mad, and I love having the people that
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: are stay behind you, like, oh, we'll support.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: You even if these people are mad. We're not going
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: to cower back down. That's a lot of fun.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Well, that's always nice. Areas I always say, if you
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: to be a good journalist, You've you've got to be
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: comfortable not being popular. Unfortunately, in today's algorithmic uh world,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: that doesn't always Trent. You know that, doesn't you know that?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: That doesn't always? That isn't as easy as it sounds, right,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: it should be easy for a journalists to say hey,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: without fear or favor. I don't care what you think.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: What we're all human beings and the way these algorithms work. Kate,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how often you know do you do you
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: feel like you've got to play two algorithms? Do you
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: think about that when you guys are posting stories? How much?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the whole search optimization frankly nonsense.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I get that it's a necessity if you're looking for traffic,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: but I hate the way it can distort a headline.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: How do you strike that back? You guys strike me
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: as an organization that doesn't want to get caught up
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: in just chasing clicks. So what's your How do you
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: strike the balance? As an editor?
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: I think it is always nice to have people read
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: your stories, but to me, not at the expense of accuracy, fairness.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: I it is just not something that I am obsessing
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: over in the same way. It is very helpful obviously
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: that we you know, we how we started our connection
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: with with Ajai. Those things sort of built in meant
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: that we were not going to be an organization that
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: was out there like gunning for traffic all the time. Obviously,
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: I love it when people read our stories or stories
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: blow up, when like a big story breaks and there
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: are a lot of eyeballs on it and people are
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: talking about it, yes, like I yes, but I want
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: people to read my stories that like, that's what that's about.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: That's not about.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: It's not about a traffic chase necessarily, And we are
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: in a really unveil pole position where you know, we
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: we do have traffic goals again, wanting people to read
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: our stories, but it's not like the top measurement of
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: what we feel makes a great story or why a
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: story would be important to publish, if that makes sense.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: And recent how you know it used to be. You know,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: when I first got in, I remember moving from the
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: hotline to NBC, and I had a standard explanation for
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: what the hotline was. And then the first time I
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: called on Behalf saying I was working at NBC, I
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: didn't have to have an explanation of what NBC was right,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: And I remember it was an empowering feeling that first
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: time you're like, Okay, finally I don't feel like I
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: have to convince somebody that I am a legitimate reporter
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: with a legitimate news organization. Here's what it is. And
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of time with the Hotline, it was us
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: trying to introduce what it was to somebody who hadn't
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: run in politics before. What is this? What are you? Well,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: we're kind of a trade and this is what we do,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: and et cetera. I imagine over the last year you're
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: having to explain what notices less and less, and given
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: the fragmentation of media, is that even a challenge anymore?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Do you feel in some ways not being part of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: the legacy media is actually an advantage?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I think definitely.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: They definitely come like they approach me with less of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: a I guess, kind of just a negative light.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes. I think it's also if I were look at you.
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  Speaker 1: And see like a Peacock logo or the Post logo
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  Speaker 1: or the Times logo, they just see a guy with
• 1:00:41
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  Speaker 5: And also it does there is times when it's definitely
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  Speaker 5: harder when I do have to like kind of explain
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: myself more to get in get in the door with
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: some people or also people to talk to me. And
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: I find that less difficult when it's people on the hill,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: are people in politics. I feel as though when I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: call them, I mean, I've worked with these people the examiner,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: at the Daily bas etcetera. Where it's not I don't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: have to necessarily explain it, but it's more so would
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: be I'm talking to people not in the DC echo ecosystem,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: where for example, I did a story on hore emails
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  Speaker 5: and his broad Star and how all these people said
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: that he didn't save their lives. So I was calling
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  Speaker 5: these veterans that had served with him, and two of
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: the veterans were shot and wounded, and I had to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: explain they.
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  Speaker 2: Weren't readers of notice.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: They If I were to call sales with the Post
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: or the Ties, it probably would have definitely not necessarily
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: been easier, but I would have had to explained it. I'd
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: be like, oh, this is our publication, this is what
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: we do. We're a startup, or it's a founder of Politico.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: So Politico started notice and send them a website and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: it takes it definitely is more of like an explaining thing,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: but they are never once were they like, oh, like
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: I don't really want to talk to you. I've heard
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: bad things about your outloads. We're just like, what is it?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: And so there is less of a I guess to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: be disposed kind of idea of what notice is, which
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: is helpful in a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 1: Kate, one thing that I iced.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, no, I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, like I was at BuzzFeed
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  Speaker 4: when BuzzFeed news started and trying to explain what BuzzFeed
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  Speaker 4: knew was to put Grassley or anybody else was So like,
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  Speaker 4: notice is very easy in comparison to that.
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  Speaker 1: because I am so appalled by what's happening at the
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  Speaker 1: Washington Post when it comes to being covering the DMV as.
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  Speaker 1: I try hard not to use that phrase because I
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  Speaker 1: do feel like it confuses people outside of the district
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  Speaker 1: Maryland in Virginia. No, I'm not talking about getting your
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  Speaker 1: driver's license, but I feel like, and you tell me
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  Speaker 1: this local Washington politics in some ways, you guys feel
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  Speaker 1: like is part of your responsibility. That is something that
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  Speaker 1: I think the Washington Post has decided is no longer
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  Speaker 1: their responsibility. I saw it. It was striking to me
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  Speaker 1: how they covered the Virginia governor's race as if it
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  Speaker 1: were like the Kansas governor's race. It was like this
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  Speaker 1: really bizarre detachment. They have one person left in the
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  Speaker 1: Richmond bureau. They've made a decision they want to be
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  Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. I get it. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if that's the right call, but I understand. I get
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're literally retreating on all things local
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  Speaker 1: and wanting to be a more national conversation. I've seen
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you guys lean more into local. I feel like you've
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: covered the mayor's race more often than the Washington Post does,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: for instance, intentional or just opportunistic.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't say either.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're really interested in political stories, stories about
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: the Democratic Party, stories about the federal government taking over Washington,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: d C. Which is obviously a massive, important local and
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  Speaker 4: national story.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the stories from.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: Virginia about where the Democratic Party is heading super important,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: Wes Moore in Maryland, like, these are all national stories
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  Speaker 4: that also serve as the local story in the back yard.
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  Speaker 4: I just think like for us, it's like, we're here,
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  Speaker 4: We've got people, these are interesting stories. Why wouldn't we
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  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't we tell them? Like I think what I
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  Speaker 4: would say is, I'll just never say no to an
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  Speaker 4: interesting story.
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  Speaker 1: And all of the so it's not like, Okay, we're
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: covering local Washington and how much culture?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, like an explor but like what has happened?
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  Speaker 3: What happened? What's happening to the Kennedy Center?
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  Speaker 4: Fascinating story that we feel like we should be telling
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's fun that you like picked up
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  Speaker 4: on that, because I think, I.
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  Speaker 1: Guess I see it what it does for me. It's
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  Speaker 1: sort of like if you guys weren't didn't exist, I'd
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  Speaker 1: feel like there was a bigger gap in, Like there's
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of what I would say are
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  Speaker 1: quote local stories, as you say, with national implications that
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Post has just decided no longer to cover.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if that is a temporary decision
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  Speaker 1: by them or not, but I think good. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is primarily I think how you've worked your way
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  Speaker 1: in my daily news stream because it feels like you're
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: covering stories that they stopped.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: Covering to that point as well. I think also, we
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: just like breaking news a lot, and if there's a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: way to break some news on anything, I think we're
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: all in. I mean, we broke the news about the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: I remember it was the week the White House Corresponds week.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 5: It was a Sunday afternoon. I was very hungover, and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: we got a story of that the Washington Commander Stadium
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  Speaker 5: was moving to the old RF Kent and that they
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  Speaker 5: the city had an agreement they're announcing on Monday, And
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  Speaker 5: I remember being at a bar and just like typing
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  Speaker 5: up my phone and it was just like, it is
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  Speaker 5: a local story, not necessarily a national, not usually my wheelhouse,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: but it's just like we like breaking it.
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  Speaker 2: We like that whole thing.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, this is a good kind of
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: scoop or a good way to kind of break news
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  Speaker 5: and not gonna like nothing's really too small in that sense,
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  Speaker 5: because it's like, oh, there are readers that really do
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  Speaker 5: care about this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about like the environment that we're
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  Speaker 1: in right now and sort of Washington, Kate. I've had
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  Speaker 1: a friend who says, who's lived here a long time,
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  Speaker 1: who says, you know, it's DC feels just different. And
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  Speaker 1: I always joke about like there is you know, the
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  Speaker 1: buildings stay the same, although right with this administration, he
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: might actually change the building design. But it is funny
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: how the occupant makes people look at a building differently
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: and look at things a little bit differently. Do you
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  Speaker 1: sense that the city has changed in the last year, Like,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: is he the cultural imprint on the city itself? On
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  Speaker 1: the attitude you know, as a friend of mine jokes.
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  Speaker 1: Are we an occupied city at the moment?
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't necessarily feel that way.
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  Speaker 4: So I I'm a bit of a transient. My permanent
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: residence is in Massachusetts, and I come down to Washington
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: quite often.
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  Speaker 1: So you already Washington as sort of a you've got
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: a different relationship with Washington and perhaps I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I live.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I lived here for I lived here for thirteen years,
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  Speaker 4: and and to go, you know, with my family and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But it's interesting to come back because come back and forth,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: because I read about you know, this is happening, and
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: this is happening, and I come back here and I'm like, oh,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: it feels exactly the same.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to know, people say, what's it like with the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: National Guard troops, I'm like, other than people wearing fatigues
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: every once in a while walking on the sidewalk, nothing's
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  Speaker 1: really change. And in fact, yeah, I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: And I always say, if they were going to do this,
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  Speaker 1: use a little bit of extra extra I.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, I mean I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really think that it was Donald Trump necessarily
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  Speaker 4: necessarily like this term of Donald Trump. But uh, to me,
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  Speaker 4: the biggest difference was covering Capitol Hill before the pandemic
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  Speaker 4: and before January sixth, and then covering Capitol Hill after
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  Speaker 4: the pandemic and after January. And that is there's like
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  Speaker 4: market difference.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me more, tell me more about that, just.
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  Speaker 4: Like the collegiality of their gone in gone just nothing
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  Speaker 4: that it's nothing and and and I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I think the relationship with between the.
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  Speaker 4: Press and members is more strained, definitely more difficult. I
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  Speaker 4: think that even I mean Reese is there every day,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe it's gotten better, but the collegiality between members
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  Speaker 4: of the press, you know, when I was there covering
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  Speaker 4: things was feet It was a very this.
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  Speaker 3: Was your friends.
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  Speaker 4: It was like little like they're your friends who wanted
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  Speaker 4: to be Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Team Press Corps though, wasn't it like yeah, you felt
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: like everybody. It's the way the White House Press Corps.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I used to say, being in the White House Press Corps,
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  Speaker 1: particularly when we went overseas, it was team America, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and there was and there was sort of a
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: relationship with fellow reporters that was different.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: You know, yes you competed, but yeah, yeah, and and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: re please correct, like, please correct me if I am wrong.
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  Speaker 4: But I am trying to when I bring the fellows
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: up there and bring the Hill team up there, like
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: I am trying to change a little bit of that,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: like making sure that people understand that this is, you know,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: a like a really special place to cover, be the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: best place to cover.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: I think best places start works.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and see, like these people are your colleagues. These
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: are the people that you are, you know, go to
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: work with every single day and maybe we'll even go
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: through like pretty crazy situation with at some point. And
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: so it's about treating them with respect and collegiality. But
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: which again, like I just feel like it was it
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: was warmer ye before.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: But Reese, I'm sure you don't love hearing about the
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  Speaker 1: good old days because the other the good old days
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: is that they're old, right, you know, And I'm aware
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: like we're never going to go backwards, We're always going
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: to go forward. But how often do you hear a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: similar sentiment as Kate just expressed from older colleagues on
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  Speaker 1: the Hill.
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  Speaker 2: Quite a bit.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, I do feel I mean, a lot of my
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: closest friends are on the press corps. But to your point,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: it's like it's very clickie. I mean, I'll just admit that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's very much like it doesn't seem like it.
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  Speaker 5: There's people who I mean, I've worked alongside up here
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: for Congressional talked to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never talked to. It's just very different in
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: that sense.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not like there's any animosity or hard feelings
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: for it's just like, oh, yeah, your friends.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that it gets to do you start to
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: recognize people you don't know their name of right, You're like,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: at some point we ought to we ought to at least,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: you know, acknowledge each other's existence. That's work side by
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: side every day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: There is also though, like a really it's it makes
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: it fun too, in the sense that it's like it's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: very competitive. I played golf in high school and college,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: and I compare it to a golf team where it's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: like you're on the same team because you're all like reports,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: like you're just here there and your friends, but at
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: the same time, like you want to kick their ass,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: like you want to beat them really bad, and so
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: there is much more of like competitive spirit, which I
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: also kind of chalk up to just there's more. I
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: feel like there's a lot more different outlets on the
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: hill now, like there's a whole lot more competition to
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: go against because it's such a I think there's there's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: just so much a lot of information, so much quickly.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: A lot of people just tweet out little things that happen,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: or Politico has their blog that they can quickly write
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: stuff up, so it's a lot more of like quick
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: hit scoops, and so that just makes the competition so
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: much more where that's not necessarily stuff I focus on.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: I don't really care about the quick who's meeting with who,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: what's going on, who said this in conference? I like
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: more caring than getting those things and writing like a
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: bigger thing. But that still is like you're trying to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: get it, and then it's like do I run with
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: this now because it might get out there, or do
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: I hold it and use it as like an antidote
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: as a larger, larger story. There's just so much more
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: competition and the flow of information is so much quicker.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: It's either you get scooped right away or you you
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: hold in and try to hope that no one else gets.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: It for it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about your first guest for your podcast. First
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: of all, tell me you guys launched that this week.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: What's uh? Do you have a mission? You have a
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: north star for the podcast? What's the what give me
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: your focus?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was definitely. I came to them about I
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: want to say, like six months ago. I was like,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: I'd like to start podcasts. I think there's a lot
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: of news of the day podcast where it's like, here's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: what's happening today, and you can get to your it's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: hard to differentiate yourself from that.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like, there's so many of those.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: I there's a couple I listened to, but for the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: best joy of me the podcast, I listened to our
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: more in depth get to know somebody like you have
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: time to talk to them. And I was like, there's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: so many members of Congress that I think that there's
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: the general public doesn't necessarily know unless you're you're Ao
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: c or Jim Jordan. You're on TV all the time,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: like they know who those people are. But even then
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: it's like just like they don't really know them no personally,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: and so I catched an idea of I was like,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: I want a podcast where it's not necessarily just it's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: getting another member. I want someone a listener, to be
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: able to listen to these interviews in six months, a year,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: two years and be like it's still it's relevant.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: It's not talking about so in.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Somebody's an oral profile, an exact professional profile. Is the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: is the goal of each of these Yes, So it's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Steve Scalise as your first guest. And what's remarkable about
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: him is how he has survived all this change inside
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party, right, like you know, basically you know
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: when you when you look at the House leadership, he's
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: the I guess he's the last man standing. That goes
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: back to was he did he serve with Bayner too? Right? Right? Yeah,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: So so goes back to Bayner through Ryan and all
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: of that. So he is you know, it's funny, he's
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: always been considered more on the conservative side. Now I
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: don't know what the definition of conservative is anymore. That
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: was a subject of a podcast I just had with
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Jack dan Forth where we were you know, what what
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: did what people think it's conservative today is not what
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: people would have called conservative when Steve Scalice began running
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: for Congress. So how does he fit in today's Republican Party.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: I mean he's still universe. I mean the republic Party
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: is still just. I mean, he's really been able to
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: move with the party as it goes. He's made he's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: a close ally Trump. Trump still brings him up all
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: the time, and these things, especially the story that Trump
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: continually brings upbout him is how he visited him after
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: he got shot, how his during this station tip And
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: he always is like your wife, do you have a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: great wife? Like she was like, I'm super nice to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: talk to you when you're in the hospital, and always
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: brings that story up when he brings up Steve Scleeze.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: But he's really been able to adapt with the times,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: which is not something that other members of leadership.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna say many haven't been able to pull
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: that off.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: And he had Bader left beforehand, Ryan left and then
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: McCarthy got ousted, and.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: That's what I wanted. People haven't wanted to adjust and
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: he's like he's good to adjusts.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Like he's made it work. Is he not?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: There has to be some I mean you know, he
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: probably used to not take Mike Johnson's calls right away,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: right like he was the dean of the delegation and
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: you know this young Mike Johnson, he might have screened
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson's calls. He probably wouldn't admit if he did that,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: but my guess is he might have at first. And
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: now he's got a uh. You know, Mike Johnson has
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: the job that we know Scalice would love to have, and.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: It also the job that Steves Cleese did try to get.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: He tried and he was blocked by the Freedom Clocks
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: and Jordan Allies and that was I mean, I remember
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: people asking him basically when this happened, it was like
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: you were supposed to be the speaker for Louisiana and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: now you're like, you're having to hand off to this
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: other eye. And I mean, he would never admit it,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: but you definitely know there is They're really close. I mean,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: john Siscleise are close.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Now. They were really tight.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: Very differentlationsip than him McCarthy had, and but you could
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: see that he was definitely disappointed, like he that was
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: supposed to be his speakership. He was the majority leader.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: He was next in line and he was blocked. I mean,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: there was stuff that he just couldn't get around. But
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: the ability that he's been able to stay leadership for
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: this long is remarkable. It's especially through an assassination attempt,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: through cancer, through two Trump presidencies, when through an ever
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: changing conservative faction in the House. Yeah, it's wild how
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: he's been able to kind of he might he might
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: have been blocked for me a speaker, but he was
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: also like one of four people that are blocking a speaker.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't not that that was unique to hand.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: Nobody would have been was perfect until Mike Johnson. And
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: so it's just it's you definitely do sense that there
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: is probably some disappointment because that's the job he's always wanted.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: But him and Mike Johnson are very close. They had
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: they hold a relationship that is really good.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Kate, I'm curious, given your experience now covering a decade
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: of Trump at the variety of locations that you covered him,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: we're all sitting here. I think this time is different.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: We've had these Trump dips below and and I think
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: we're all a little uh, you know, there's nobody left
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: that hasn't predicted incorrectly the demise of Donald Trump. Okay,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: over the last twenty five years of his of his
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: public life. You know, up, that's it for Trump, you know,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: and the TV stars dead, and that's it for Trump
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: the casino guy, right. You know, he's the master of reinvention,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: He's the master of frankly, always being counted out a
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: little bit too soon. But this time feels different because
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: part of it, I think is we're impacting a Trump fatigue.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: But what's your sense and is you know, what's the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: similarity to twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, and what make what
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: if it is different? What do you think it's different?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest difference between twenty seventeen and twenty
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: eighteen is twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen there were like
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: norms within the administration that they were still adhering to.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: I think when they came back into When Trump came
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: back into office, it's very purposeful, like we are going
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: to enact our agenda. I mean, the people he had
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: around him in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, we're all
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: pretty establishment Republicans who were there, who said, you know,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: we know how to run a White House, like think
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: about John Kelly like that, Like these are people who
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: who've been in d C and doing it a long time.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: And Trump this time was like, no, we're not doing that.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: We are going to bring We're going to have the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: people around me that are loyal above all else, the
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: trust you know that I trust above all else, and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: we are going to do.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: What I Donald Trump and they want to do.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: And so that to me, I look, I am out
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: of the prediction business. I mean prediction one time, a
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: very long time ago, and I shall never do it
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: again because I.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: Was very fond.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: What was the prediction that Eric.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: Cancer would not lose his primary?
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's right, you never Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: I don't do that anymore.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: And uh so you know, I I just it is.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: It is hard for me when I do go up
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: to the hill, when I am in Washington and talking
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: to Republics, like I don't see any fatigue really from them,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, people are just keep rolling like it
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: like there is whatever whatever scandal, whatever news story, whatever
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: is happening, and there there is always seems to be
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: a way out for people, you know, say and that
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: is so I so I am not I don't see
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: it in the in the party, and I think that
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: you know, the elections next year will tell us more.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: But again, don't need predictions, you know.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Recent I'm curious of your experience because this is something
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that I think is going to make this mid term unique.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Is our fragmentity information ecosystem. If you don't want to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: hear bad news for your side, whatever your side is,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: you can avoid it. You know, you can feel better
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: about how things going if you have a certain news
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: feed and or a certain information feed. Can you sense
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: which members sort of are more fully informed see it
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: at a three hundred and sixty degrees of the information
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: ecosystem versus those that frankly maybe live in a curated world.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: Oh definitely, I mean I was talking. It's a lot
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: of times the members who have been there for a while,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: and that have been here free Trump and know what
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: it's been like for ten twenty years. At some points,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: they're the ones that are much more open eye to
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: this situation of like, this is not fun, this is
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: not good, this is not We're going to lose. I
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: talked to a member today where Mike Johnson was a conference.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: He was basically trying to be like, oh, Republicans. We're
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: not just going to keep it, We're gonna grow it,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: Like we have perfect ability to grow it.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Grabbed a veteran member.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: Afterwards, they told me, they're like, yeah, and I thought
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: I was going to date the prom queen in high school,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: but like, we don't always get what we want, and
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: that was their exact quote, and I was so they're
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: much more being like this is terrible, like interesting, But you.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: See a really a real dividing line between those that
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: basically that were there before twenty sixteen and those that
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: it got elected during Trump's during Trump's.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: One hundred percent because they these younger members I would
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: even say young younger in the amount of time they've
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: been in Congress. Rather they they don't know they think
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: Trump can is the only figure of the public BRD
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: though he could do no wrong. They are type of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: people that came up and like, if you ran for
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: Congress as a Republican for a first time at post Trump,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: you're running for Trump. You're not running like you're running
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: because you say something in Trump and there's really and
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: the only way to win was to run towards Trump.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: You cann't really run make your own really Republican lane,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: so those members are feel more of a sense of oh, like,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: he'll always find a way to make this right. He'll
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: find a way to say that like, oh, it might
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: be terrible right now, but we're still gonna be okay.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Where is it?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: The same dividing line among those who lament the lack
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: of that Congress has given away too much authority to
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the presidency. That that is also that that divide is
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: between sort of the newbies and the veterans.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, definitely, because I don't think newbies really know what
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: it was like when Congress actually had its full power,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: like when they could stand up. I mean, they don't
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: know what it was like before Congress was like if
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: they're actually passing appropriations, built, they're funding the government, they're
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: doing this, like they don't fully remember what is like
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: what are these older members who have like, oh, like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: I remember, like Congress is actually like we stand up
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: to a president, we disagree.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: With that, and we still here's the irony to that
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: the era they're talking about. Those of us that cover
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: that era would say this is kind of a weak Congress.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: They're seeding too much power to the presidency. So I
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: mean it is sort of amusing to me because this
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: has been a forty year I'd argue a forty year
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: phenomenon that started with the Reagan White House sort of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: you surping more and more power, and this has been
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: a consistent thing. Presidents never give power back to Congress.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: I don't care what body they are.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: I remember I read a good book, The Admission of
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: the Power, about Jim Wright and great about how he was.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: I think he was the last speaker to really fully
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: be like, no, like the House, I am equal to
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: the president. I'm going to use this power to do
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: what I need to do. And he that's what he did.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: He literally saw himself as like equal to the president.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: He said he was taking leaders with foreign leaders, like
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: he was doing his thing like and I feel like
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: reading that and then looking at today, I'm like Mike
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: Johns would never he would never try to go against
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: I mean even like Ken McCarthy and Johnsonderby, like even
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: to the point they were like, oh, that's that's an
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: executive issue, that's not a legislative issue, Like even in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: opposite parties, that would never really happen because they would
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: be like, oh, that's not our issue.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Where before under Jim Wright.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: He was like, Oh, there's an issue, like I'm going
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: to make it a legislative issue, like it's going to
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: be my thing, And you don't just don't see that anymore.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: No, I think, you know, it's inevitable we'll have another.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: You know, look, if you look at things with a
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: really long lens, we've had cycles of weak congresses versus
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: strong congresses, and I think a period of a stronger
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: legislative branch, particularly if we have to continue with a
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: series of one term presidents, is going to be inevitable.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: We've had three in a row, and the last time
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: we had that was over one hundred years ago. So
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: in that sense, Kate, if there's another difference between twenty
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty eighteen and today, it's on the democratic side.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: There was confidence and confidence associated both words were associated
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: with the democratic leadership circa twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Those are not two words you would here to describe
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the democratic leadership of today. How how much of a
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: problem could that end up being for Democrats as they
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: even as the political environment is pretty good if you're
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: the party not in the White House, yeah.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: I mean I it is funny to watch them. They
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: always get in their own way, right, Like it's like, oh,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: you caught the ball, and then you fumble, and you
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: caught the ball and then you fumble. Nancy Pelosi, I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: think even her biggest critics would say she she counted
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: every single vote, She knew how to get something that
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: she wanted done done, and just had this you know,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: armor around her where she just.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: Did not let that.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: The infighting truly like trickle in, and it does not
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: seem that current Democratic leadership has has got that figured
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: out at this point.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: Reese and I were in New Hampshire.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: A little while ago to see some senator shortly after
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: the government reopened, some people who may or may not
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: be thinking about running for a president in twenty twenty eight, uh,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Senator Chris Murphy, Senator Corey Booker, who both you know,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: had pretty like tough things to say about their leadership,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: and Senator Chuck Schumer, which is just I don't think
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: is something you saw. I mean, people were obviously very
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: critical of Harry Reid, but it just it was it
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: was different, you know, and people didn't Harry Reid was
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: still able to keep folks together and get done what
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: he needed to get done. And the you know, the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: overwhelming criticism of Schuber post shut down was that he
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: just let he you know, he let this coalition dissolve
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: and for what. At the end of the day, it
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: was like they had kept the government shut down and
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: for what.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: So I'll be really interested to see what.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: How how the party run, you know, I think this
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: idea that they can run on economy and affordability like
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: Trump did in twenty four and as we saw in
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: the November elections, if they can keep on that message,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: maybe we'll see. But there's a lot of noise out there,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: especially on the far left, and it is very hard
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: for the party, I think, to tune that out.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Reese, what do you sense of the nervousness among you know,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: do Democrats feel bullish or are they always looking over
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: their left shoulder literally that you're Democrats that you talked to.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: I think from talking to them, they definitely feel bullish
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: going into the midterms, but they there's just a sense
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: that there's never gonna like they don't really have full
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: like like clearly Nancy Pelosi is what the leader as
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: to her point of the Decocratic Party, and they don't really
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: have a leader like Republicans going into midterms, even when
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: they're down, they're like, oh, Trumps aren't like Trump's gonna
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: endorse especially yeah where I mean my colleague Alex Rody
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: wrote about this, Well, it's about Senate races where they
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: don't really have a forced clear primaries. They don't have
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: a force to help get the right candidate elected. Where
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: Steve Dain's last cycle, the former NRSC chairman was like,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: we have our candidate, that's the guy who can win,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: and we're gonna just have Trump endorse these people to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: then help our field. Like they could put up a
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: candidate in Michigan who might not be able to be microagers.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: They might put up a candidate Maine who can't beat
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: Susan Collins, and they have these Well they've cleared some fields,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: but I mean not in Texas.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: There's possiblity Jasmine.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Right, Roy Cooper cleared a field. I don't believe anybody
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: that Chuck Schumer did nothing to clear that field. Shared
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Brown's no he by the way, they didn't even clear
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: that field, right shared Brown's not the heavy favorite, but
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: it didn't scare off one challenger with a couple of bucks,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: And then Texas, I mean they have James and then
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: the Crockett might get it, and that would also be
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: a best for them. So there's also this sense of
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: like what should be like, Oh, we're gonna win it.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: It's like, dang, like are you gonna well, how's it
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: going to work? In the citate, we can nominate the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: row candidate. Same in the House, I mean the redistrict.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Your stuff is definitely getting to them.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Do they accept the premise. Do Democrats accept the premise
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: that they can't win the mid terms without winning both
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: the House and the Senate.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think they do. I think they're really focusing.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: I think they're like, oh, if we win the House,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: were good, they could just like hinder.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That that to me is that's a loser mentality.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: That's not a win.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: It is hard to Definitely the sinate is definitely significantly harder,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: but means you would think.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: That ever seats.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: I just did this. I just did a bunch of
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: research on this. We've had We've had thirty three midterms
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: since eighteen ninety four, which was the first time the
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: out party swept the House and the Senate in the
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: midterm and in eighteen of the twenty one times at
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: the Out Party in those thirty three elections gained Senate seats.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Eighteen of the twenty one times that the Outparty gained
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Senate seats, they gained four or more Senate seats. So
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: in theory, picking up four Senate seats is sort of
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: the norm. If that party picks up most of the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: time it is four or more. So the idea that
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: they viewed that as a reach right now, I think
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: is a real indictment of the fact that they're no
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: longer a national party because they just can't compete in
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: literally a third of the country.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: And then there are also is concerned, I mean even
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: about states that should be safe New Hampshire with Johnson
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: neu new getting in, like they're gonna have to spend
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: money there when usually I mean if it was just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: Scott Brown that would have the National Party would not
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: have had.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: To spent some money. Eh, they might have to spend
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: some I think people under estimate Scott New Hampshire is
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: a quirky state. It is where yeah, you know it's
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: it's you know, it's really smart. People pissed off how
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: cold it is, right like it's just, you know, it's
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: just you know, you never know, very dark.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: That was all your hotline popping out there. Check just
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: I just well, I'm just vomiting my my data that
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: I just sort of accumulated because I was obsessed with this.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: How many times has there been an actual clean suite
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: where the out party won both the House and the Senate.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: It's actually, I only happened six times since the since
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party became one of the two major parties. Ironically,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: the first time it ever happened is the first time.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: It was for Grover Cleveland's presidency, in the second mid
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: term of his second non consecutive term. I'm not saying
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: history repeats itself, but.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: But I think you also been a difficulty for Democrats
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: that I'm hearing a lot is that there's no cohesion.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: A message like the shutdown, I think really amplified that.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: Where there were some people, I mean, they're just and
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: even if there is a message, they don only fight
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: to push forward with it. Like the message was, oh,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: it's a Republican shutdown, but like we're not going to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: open it back up until we get healthcare, Like it
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: was just Democrats are really upset about how there wasn't fake.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Because it wasn't about healthcare. But they couldn't say what
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: it was really about because the public didn't you know,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: it was really about not trust that the executive in
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: a weird way, it was an old fashioned Hey, the
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: executive branch doesn't respect the legislative branch. We can't trust
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: them to the laws that we pass. They won't try
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: to nullify. But your good luck selling that message hard.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone on Capitol Hill really feels
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: like a winner right now.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like vibe up. There is so bad people.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: I've heard it's super bad. And I mean, you know,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: you hear the anecdotes. I mean that people are demoralized.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: That should I mean, look, I assume we're going to
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: see two to three retirements a week for the next
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: six weeks. And it feels especially if, like I said,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: we're taping before the Tennessee special. If you know, I
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: assume Republicans hang on and went narrowly win it. But
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: if an earthquake happens, a retirement earthquake could happen.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't necessarily think that there'll be like immediate
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: resignations like MTG.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: But I do you think to your.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Point that people are just gonna be like, I don't
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: want it, probably especially if they're like I don't want
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: to be in the minority, Like it's miserable to the majority,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: this will be even more miserable to the minority. I'm
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: gonna just leave, right and it's gonna be really.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: Interested members who say, like being in the minority is
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: like slightly more fun because you don't really have to
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: like do anything, you.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Know, like you don't really have to don't do anything.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: You don't do anything, like you just show up and
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: yell a little bit, and you don't actually have to
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: be responsible for for policies in the same way. Obviously,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: obviously they you know.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: They want to win the majority.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: But I just think I think that like the as
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: you said, the you know, getting getting cohesion or talking
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: like a winner, that there is none of that, there's
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: none of that feeling anymore among any like that. I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: don't feel like they're even trying necessarily, you know, like
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: Kristin Jilbrand, Kristen.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: Jilbrand is the is the DSCC chair, right? Is that correct?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: How about the fact that no, it is, but I
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: do the same thing, Kate. It's it is Kirsten Jillibrand
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: because talk about somebody who has chosen to have the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: yeah in an anonymous footprint, like you know, it's like
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: she does not want to be seen. She does not
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: It's a strange thing. I'm very curious about a relationship
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: with Schumer. I'm sure it's okay, but I'm usually senators
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: from the same state, from the same party, you know,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: the relationships it's never usually great. Weirdly, the relationships are
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: better when it's when it's from opposite parties. Sometimes unless
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: you're Ron Johnson and Tammy Baldwin, but you get along
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: with Ron Johnson, right, But it is, it's a it's
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: been really strange watching this DSCC. They are I think
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: the argument they would Kate is, hey, everybody hates the establishment,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: so we don't want to we don't want to stick
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: our head up and become a target.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: Well, then why I pick an establishment senator to run
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: the DSCC. You know, It's just it's very it's it's
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: bizarre to me because I feel like, you know, previously
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: previous DSCC chairs twenty twenty fourteen and twenty eighty some
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: of the other midterms I've covered, Like.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: There's brief it.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: You know, there's briefings, they're they're they're doing things, they're
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: out there, they're talking, and I just I don't see.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Well, Rees, I was just going to say, do you
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: think if you've got a question about a Senate race,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: do you go to Schumer's office or Jilli Brand's.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: Office, I go to consultant. I'm like, this is like
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of times the DS. I'm gonna be honest,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: like I found it. I find that the DS is
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: not super responsive all the time.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Like and I think that.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: Also, like if I wanted to know something specific about
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: the Senate rate, like will either go to the candidates
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: or people in the state there who are like maybe
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: not necessarily working for a candidate, but might be working
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: for the state party or might just be a consultant there.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: That's more where I focus. And I think that it's
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: been it's just been difficult. Like there there's a lot
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: like the NSC has been hosting briefings and they've been
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: like there's at least been some more conversation and communication.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: It's I will say the D trip is really good.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: I get into the D trip is really communicated. So
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: the NRCC, but the DS I've just found to be
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: not like just I just I don't know. I just
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: has been kind of a more of a difficult relationship.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: And I don't know, maybe that's on me. Maybe I'm
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: not doing pretty my best foot for well, you're not alone.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: It's just that they just don't they don't You get
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: the sense that that they're there keeping their head down
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: because there's this awkward conversation happening in some of these
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Senate primaries where there's where supporting Schumer is a litmus
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: test and which is gonna put the D and you know,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: so my guess is they're almost afraid to go on
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: the record about any Senate Democratic candidate.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then also like their whole they completely true.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: And there's also I mean, I remember they Jill Brand
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: I believe, was saying literally on the record that oh,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: we're not gonna get involved in the main primary. We're
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: gonna let this play out. And then I reported and
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you have a joint fundraising committee with Suit
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: with Jana Mills, like this is and then like I
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: tweeted that out, I'm like, this is a JFC with
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: Jana Mills in the d SEC like, I don't know
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: how much more cleary it could be, and then that
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: later was like, oh, like that's not really an endorsement.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: I'm like, it is one hundred percent endorsement if you're
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: joint fundraising with her. And so there's just like they
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: want to help their candidates, but at the same time,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: like that could be.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Mad to this race. Did they start one with Grant
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: with Platner yet or not?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: They did not start arning the Grant platter I don't
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: think that's in the cards.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: And same thing in like.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: Michigan, like they're very much behind Hailey Stevens, but it's
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: like they don't want to publicly put all their weight
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: behind her.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Well she looks, I yeah, I mean talk about a
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: candidate that you can tell is in baseball there's an
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: expression having It was an old expression called rabbit ears,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: and it was for baseball players who were too tuned
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: into what the people in the crowd were saying and
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: not focused enough on the game. Haley Stevens strikes me
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: as a candidate that's got Robert ear. She reads every
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: bad press clipping she gets and is constantly fearing she's
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: got the look of a candidate running scared and she
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: wants to recreate the Slotkin campaign, and it's not going
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: to happen this cycle. It's just a different cycle. And
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: I could feel the pressure seems to be getting there.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I think the question now is at Elsie, she looks
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: like a candidate that's running nervous, and nervous candidates don't win.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: And my colleagues Altrody and Danielle Diaz wrote a good
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: story about Haley Stevens about how the party is actually
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: like dang, do we push for the right person?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: Like this is?
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: It had been better off with McMorrow. But the problem
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: is that's the thing. Is it a scarlet letter if
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: you get the party's endorsement, right, is it automatically sending
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: the wrong message, which is a really troubling place for
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: the for the brand of the party to be. Let
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: me get you both out of here on the following
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: and Kate, I'll start with you, and that is, give
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: me a couple of names that people don't know right
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: now that you think will be household names in Washington
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: a year from now. You know, maybe it's a member
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: of Congress, maybe it's a uh, you know, a candidate
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: for Congress, but somebody that that may become more of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: a household name. You know that In a similar question
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: for you, Reese, but really focused on your being on
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Capitol Hill because I think sometimes the so called backbenchers, right,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: you know, Mike Johnson was a backbencher until he wasn't,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: right like, and I think that's we know this happens.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: So give me a couple of names, Kate and Reese.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: I want to get you out of there on the
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: same question.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know, like like DC household.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Names, but I right that that actually you know that,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: let's put it in another way that either the Ruthless
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: guys or the Pod Save America guys are going to
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: be obsessing over this person a year from now, and
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: right now, this person wouldn't be on either of their
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: radars right there. To me, they're the sort of the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: partisan zeitgeist guys, right, you know whatever the zeitgeist of
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: the left or the zeitgeist of the right is. They
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: kind of both sort of seem to tune their podcasts
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: into that. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So I'll shout out to someone who's an upcoming guest
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: on the On.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Notice podcast that's a smart way to do it. Yeah, promoting.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: Becca Balance from Vermont. She's a at large member from Vermont.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: She first term, right, right, this is the Peter Well.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: She is, she is, she took Yeah, well she's see it.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: And a lot of people see her as sort of
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: the heir apparent to Bertie Sanders if Bernie does retire,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: will she take up his mantle? You know, they sort
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: of see her as as just a potential successor. And
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: I thought Reese's conversation with her was fascinating. So hope
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: people listen to that one and tune in, and so
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: I think she'll she's definitely on the radar. And then
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: someone who's a little more I think already on some
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: people's radars, is another upcoming Unnice Gas. Marie Glusen camp Perez.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, I just fine to be just.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: We're this close to where MGP is going to mean
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: something to people, right, We're not quite there, right, Marie
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Glusen camp Perez.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: But they different than.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: Exactly or or or or MTG, right, you know, so
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: or STP, which for NASCAR fans they would know. Reese
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  Speaker 1: over to you give.
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  Speaker 2: Me two in the Senate, two in the House, the Senate.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to go rubined Diego, who freshman Democratic Center
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  Speaker 5: from Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: You think his stars all going to get brighter over them.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: I think it's only going to grow.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: He is really kind of making a name for himself
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: in the Senate, both in foreign policy realm and then
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: also with the defense video that Trump he seems to.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Be seeking it out right, He's seeking out action.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves he loves it.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: And then also I think Bernie Marino from Ohio, who
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: be shared Brown, is I think he just has again
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: like a good foreign policist but also like a political
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: actionen that he is catching the eye of a lot
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: of people. And he I think that these two freshmen
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: are definitely not household names by any stress imagination. But
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, you don't be shared Brown and not have
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: some kind of skill and stay with Rumaguego. I mean,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: he beat Kerry Lake, who wasn't necessarily the hardest candidate
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: to beat, but there was still I mean Trump on
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: Arizona that year and or guessing last year.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: You know the way you described Marino and and I've
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: actually heard it that it sounds like he's a future
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: in r SC chair.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: I think that I mean always a possibility. He has
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: this just this real political wit about him and he and.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest, he's a car salesman and I and
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: I mean this in the in the best way to
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: describe it. You know, he knows how to talk, he
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: knows how to community exactly.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: And then on the house, I'm gonna say, I think
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: someone who's definitely not a household name, but I would
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: keeping out is Brian Jack. He's Trump's former political director
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: in the White House.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: He is.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: He also worked for Kevin McCarthy as a political director
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: prior to running, and he is he doesn't do a
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: lot of TV hits. He's not a big media guy.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: But there was even rumor, I mean, when Richard Hudson
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: was considering whether to try to go for n C
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: chairman or go for NRCC, his name was thrown out.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: He hadn't been sworn in yet as a possible NRCC
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: chairman as a freshman, which obviously that I mean Hudson
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: decided to go and the route of saying in RCC chairman. Uh,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: but yeah, Brian Jack is definitely someone who is really
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: just a great operator. McCarthy loves him Trump, He's he
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: has a really close relationship with Trump.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: And to have both. Yeah, he's not going to be Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You're not gonna see him what Fox us all the time.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: But I mean a lot of times most the best
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: operator in the house are the people that you don't
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: necessarily see all the time.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Well that's that's that's why I was asking you guys,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: because I that's all right. It's the old cliche the
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: show horse versus the workhorse, exactly. You know, you have
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: those that think just showing up on Fox News is
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: the job right on others or ms, you know others,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: And I.
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  Speaker 5: Think someone who is like a perfect example of that.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: I mean Patrick mckenry. He went to Congress being like
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be a show horse, got some talking to
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: became a workhorse, and was speaker pro tem for three weeks.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: Like he really reinvented himself in that sense.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: But like I enjoy referring to him as mister speaker.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: I see him quite a bit these days. It's uh, yeah, it's.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: I see him.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: His kids go to school right by my house. I
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: always see him walking to his kids. I still say
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: mister speaker. I think it pisses him off to.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Know when oh so weirdly, I think he kind of
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: I think he realized. Yeah, yeah, I mean I love
• 1:47:54
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  Speaker 1: let's get some questions. We'll get to a little last chuck.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'll get to my top five list, ask Chuck.
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  Speaker 1: First question comes from Tyler and he asks, with all
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: the ice raids and that economy for working class, do
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  Speaker 1: you think Trump support with Latinos will start to go
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: down drastically? If yes, do you think states like Florida
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: and Texas could be in play for Democrats in twenty
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: twenty eight. Well, first, Tyler, the numbers have already softened
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: a great deal. And I have to tell you one
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: of the weirdest things that took place in twenty twenty
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: four in the post election analysis was assuming that every
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: voter that voted for Trump is suddenly a Trump voter,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: meaning like they're suddenly part of the Trump coalition and
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: like a base and sort of talked about as a
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: base voter. And so there was this, hey, look, you
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: know to me, you know, we used to have a
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: rule in and I think they still do at the
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: NBC Newspot. But the rule was, when you saw a
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: trend in a demographic don't report on a trend that
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: you'd never seen before. You know, a dramatic spike or drop,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: you know, among the specific demographic group could be men
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: could be women, could be, Latinos could be African Americans, Cutter,
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  Speaker 1: don't report it until we see it. Two poles in
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: a row. Well, I think that applies to elections, which
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: is now. There had been some softening among Latino support
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: for Democrats for the last couple of cycles. Then we
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: had the dramatic swing in twenty twenty four, led by
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: what we saw in South Texas. But that was a
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: dramatic swing. And it's arguably when you see a swing
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: like that, you wait one more cycle before you declare
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: that voting group a part of a semi at least
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: no members permanent of any coalition, but a you know,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: fairly consistent member of said coalition. Well, we've only had
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: one election with Latino's decidedly leaning Republican. But I just
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: simply think that Latino working class voters are swing voters.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: They're no different than white working class swing voters and
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: black working class swung voters. And we saw all working
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: class voters, black, brown, or why all lean Trump and
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: in some cases swung Trump very hard. And all of
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: them have already swung back, and if either some of
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: them are already voting Democratic on the generic. Some are
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: simply expressing disapproval of Trump and are sitting and undecided.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Others are sitting in independent. So we've already seen the erosion.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty dramatic if you compare it to
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: his success of twenty four. I don't find it very dramatic.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: I kind of see it as expected. But it was
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: treated his twenty twenty four success was treated as if
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: it was permanent. And you know, one of the things
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: I remember, not every member, not everybody who votes for president,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: does so enthusiastically. Right, there's a lot of people that
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: do this. Oh, by voting for right, you're holding your
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: nose and you're going, all right, I guess I'm gonna
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: go here. And it's usually more because you can't bring
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: yourself to vote for the other person. It's less about
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: it is it is, you know, the Maybe it's the devil,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's the least of the two worst options. Whatever.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: When in south Park one year, I think did an
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: election between a turd sandwich and I can't remember what
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: it was. It was like a tird sandwich and a
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: shit sandwich or something like that. Pardon my French. That's
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: kind of the same thing. I kind of they had it.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: I think I'm getting it I apologize for mangling and
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: as a proud member of gen X, I should never
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: get any South Park references wrong. So my apologies for there.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: But it was it was one of their better episodes,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, it was a giant douche
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: and a tird sandwich. That's what it was. It was
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: a giant douche and a third sandwich. But what I
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: love was at the end is like, you don't understand
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: sometimes that's your choice, but you've got to make a
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: choice because in America sometimes your only choice is a
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: giant douche or a turd sandwich, and you got to
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: pick one, and you got to decide which one's going
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: to do the least amount of damage. So I think
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: we Now you're asking which states. I think it's more
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: likely to have an impact in Texas than Florida. Florida's
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: the Florida Latino voter is slightly different. In Central Florida,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: there's there's the Central Florida Latino voters more likely to
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: behave like the South Texas Latino voter. But in South
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: Florida it's a different it's a different Hispanic voter. A
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: lot of Cuban Americans Venezuela. A lot of Central and
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: South Americans who are there who came to this country
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: sort of escaping communism in the case of the Cubans,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: or escaping authoritarianism in the case of the Venezuelans and
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: the Nicaraguans, et cetera. So so it's now if he
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: botches this Venezuela build up and lets down a whole,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a scenario where he decides not decides
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: to cut a deal with Maduro that maybe popular, maybe
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: the thing that is the right thing to do for
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: the Mega movement, but actually will alienate Cubans and Venezuelan's
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: and South Florida, and that could really scramble Florida politics.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: But I'm not quite ready to say that that that
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: shift's going to happen in Florida. I think it has
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: a bigger impact in Texas and a bigger impact in
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: Arizona also, you know, with a and even in basically
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: everywhere except South Florida. That's probably the way to put it.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: Next question comes from Matt in Chesterfield, Virginia. Matt writes, Hey, Chuck,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: longtime fan of both you and Crystalizza, your weekly conversations
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: and election night live shows that've been a breath of
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: fresh air. As a JMU grad, Hey, all right, let's
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: go Dukes. I'm on cloud nine about crashing the playoffs.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: That's how you grow the sport, even if it won't
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: impact the champion. And he had a case. But it's
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: not jam U's fault that the acc messed up. It's tiebreaker.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: You got that right, Well, you and Chris have a
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: bet on that game. Far look ahead feels like the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: next open VA Senate races prime to be Spamberger versus Youngkin. Ooh,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: that's that's I've heard that before. I think Youngkin runs
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: for president before he runs for Senate next. I'm not
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: saying you won't eventually run for Senate, but I think
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: he wants to. He wants to take twenty twenty eight
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: for a test ride first before he runs for Senate.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: If he's a Senate candidate, my guess would be not
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: till not till twenty thirty he goes. Go Dukes and
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Red's how about that? Baseball economics are bad, But like
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: my Duke's was happy to be part of the party
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: this year. Matt from Chesterfield. Actually, Silis and I are
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: going to have a bet because silisam married into a
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Texas A and M family. He is if you know
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: the Modello ads that talks about the different fans that
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: they're looking they're looking to reward, and he says, there's
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: the there's the fan that married into the married into
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: the family, you know, married in to the fandom. Well
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: that's Elizabeth Texas A and M. So we're gonna have
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: a little Miami v. Texas A and M bet and
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: we're probably going to tailgate together in College station. We'll
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: see if the Gigghams and the Todds can get along.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, I'm looking forward to that. But
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: to go back to your Senate race, far look ahead
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: Spamberger versus Youngkin. Like I said, both of them could
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: be on it. Both of them could be on the
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: ballot in twenty eight for a little bit of a
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: higher office. Spamberger as the VP, Youngkin running for president
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: for the Republican nomination. Just have something to think about,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: all right. Next question comes from George and the Twin Cities. Hey, Chuck,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: thanks for the great programming. Lately, the Iowa Senate candidate
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: ms Iker and others have been terrific. As someone who
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: grew up on a farm in East Central I would
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: love to hear debate on reforms like electing the Attorney
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: General into pendently, requiring timely congressional votes on confirmations and emergencies,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: and clarifying presidential immunity, which the founders were largely silent on.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: These changes could help restore balance and accountability across the branches,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: thoughts I like them. On a lighter note, glad to
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: see Miami made the playoffs. Had the head should have
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: always mattered, and I thought Notre Dame's reaction was a
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: bit much Georgian and the Twin Cities. Well, look, my
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: top five list is going to be a little bit
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: about that, just to give people a sneak preview that, man,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: I'm in playoff Heaven, so I'm going to have a
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: little bit too much football over the next couple of programs.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to spare those that roll their eyes
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: about it and put it at the end so that
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, you don't have to listen to that
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: part of the podcast if you're burned out on it.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to think I've turned some of you
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: into at least semi interested college football fans, so let
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: me tick through your reforms very quick. So obviously we
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: don't elect that attorney it's interesting, would you like to
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: see us in elect I think you're asking we should
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: elect the attorney general independently. I've you know, you saw that,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: Sarah skir and I I threw that adder as sort
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: of we got to come up maybe a federal reserve way.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: If the Spring Court is going to rule in such
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: a way that all anybody in the executive branch is
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: an at will employee of the President of the United States,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: regardless of whether it's a quasi independent commission versus one
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: that is directly present appointed by the president, does sort
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: of shake up this. I do think we either need
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: either Congress has to be more specific on which agencies
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: are independent and which aren't, which I do think they
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  Speaker 1: could designate on their own and just say, hey, they're
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: operating under the branch, but as written into law. This
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  Speaker 1: is I think, and this has been sort of essentially
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: the philosophy of John Roberts, which is he just thinks
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: Congress needs to be more specific in their intent and
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  Speaker 1: that the executive you know you're If you're not, then
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  Speaker 1: you're just making it giving the courts no choice but
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: to give the executive branch difference. But you know, if
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: you look at where he's always at, it's always he's
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  Speaker 1: essentially trying to get Congress to do its job. And
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: on that score, you know, I think he's right. I
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: think he's He sometimes leans on it as a crutch
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: to sort of avoid ideological fights sometimes or try to
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  Speaker 1: rationalize certain ideological outcomes, but largely I don't disagree with him. Look,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: you got a lot of members of Congress that want
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: legislation to be as as as ambiguous as possible so
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  Speaker 1: that they can they can sort of claim credit for
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  Speaker 1: the good stuff, but keep their hands clean if things
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: get dirty, right and say, oh, it's how it was implemented.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: They don't want to take responsibility for the implementation, which
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: is why there's such a light on specifics on how
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: to implement these things. Which what they've done is that
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: they've essentially just handed the executive brand more power. And
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: that's the you know, you're saying, you know, we should
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  Speaker 1: have timely congressional votes and confirmations emergencies, yes, which you're
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: basically asking, can't we just have Congress to it's job.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: The answer is yes. Now on presidential immunity, I disagree
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  Speaker 1: that the Founders were silent. I think what the Founders
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: really believed in was a robust legislative branch that would
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: have no problem holding the executive to account via the
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: impeachment process. Right, that is why they wrote it into
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: the Constitution. They saw it as an important check, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things you have to you know that
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: I've had pounded in my head by Founder scholars, and
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: I think I want to pound in everybody ahead here.
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  Speaker 1: If they didn't write, if they wrote it, if they
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  Speaker 1: wrote a specific in the Constitution, they did it for
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  Speaker 1: a reason, and if they didn't. So take the issue
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: of super majorities. I'm a big fan of supermajorities for
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: judicial picks, but it's notable. And as as those that
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: have pushed back on me through the lens of sort
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: of originalists or sort of what founders intent, I don't
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: like originalism. I like sort of founders intent, which I
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: think sort of is a way to is a way
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  Speaker 1: to both sort of honor the original intent and at
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  Speaker 1: the same time modernize it. Right, when the Founders thought
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: super majorities were necessary, they wrote that into the Constitution.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that they didn't in certain places means
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: they know they were you know, they thought fifty There's
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: a reason they thought fifty plus one could work. I still,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I still think when it comes to judiciary,
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  Speaker 1: if you if you want an impartial judiciary, then you
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: have to raise the limits. You have to raise the
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: vote threshold to sixty, sixty six or seventy five. You know,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: you know, essentially sixty votes two thirds or three quarters. Now,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: some argue that that would just there would be gridlock
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: all the time. I disagree. I think you'd get a
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  Speaker 1: different type of noominee. I just I do. For the
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: most part, you get those, you get those nominees. So,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: but ultimately, what I find interesting about your email is
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: what you're really asking is, Hey, Congress, can you make
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  Speaker 1: the legislative branch great again? And it's really what all
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: of us are asking. Right, they have the authority on tariffs.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: They just need to to remind the executive branch on
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: that they have the authority to rescind these emergencies. They
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: have the authority to recind this nebulous, ambiguous aum F,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: which allows for the use of military force to go
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: after designated terrorists whoever the President and the State Department
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: define as terrorists, and they've invented this narco terrorist category,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: which is really not an accepted category, and not quite Again,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: I go to the only, the only directly narco terrorists
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: by by the definition that I think of terrorism, as
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: was among the Taliban in Afghanistan who were using the
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: poppies and heroin essentially to fund to fund their extremism.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: That's not what's happening here in Venezuela. But that's to me,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: that's the question I really took away, which goddamn it, Congress,
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: do your fing job all right, Sorry, George, didn't mean
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: to put add those flourishes in your voice. Last question
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: before I get to my top five list is Matthew
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: m He said, Hey, I'm concerned about Senator Morenos Bernie
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: marinos proposed Exclusive Citizenship Act and what it says about
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: Magus America. First mentality is a dual citizen of Luxembourg
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: in the US Army veteran. I find the implication implication
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  Speaker 1: that dual citizens are less American to be offensive than
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  Speaker 1: historically misguided, especially given how many Americans, including the first
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: Lady whold dual citizenship do you think this bill has
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  Speaker 1: any legal traction or political upside, particularly in diverse states
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: like Florida and Texas. Thanks for every great work. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've always had this weird relationship with dual says,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: we don't. We've never I don't think the United States
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: ever recognized dual citizens. Other countries are the ones that
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: allow somebody to be a citizen of of their country
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: and as citizen in the United States. So and I
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: do think it would I don't think that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that that would pass at all. I mean, because
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: of all the examples you cite, there's quite a few
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: members in the I think what is it isn't it
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: isn't the current the current head of the Center for
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: Medicare and Medicaid Services right CMS, doctor Oz, I believe
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  Speaker 1: he's a dual citizen of Turkey and of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So the point is is that there's quite a few
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: people in power that have that. I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: I really don't think that's going anywhere. I understand why
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  Speaker 1: why it offends you. I get it, but it is not,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: like you know, it is not uncommon, especially ironically, especially
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: among some of the wealthier allies of the president. Many
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: of them have a second citizenship somewhere for tax purposes
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: and all sorts of things. So I doubt it, But
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to rule anything out that
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: suddenly gets traction. What does the how do the how
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: does the court? I'm pretty convinced they're not going to
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: somehow get, you know, grant Donald Trump the authority to
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: sort of negate birthright citizenship. It's in the constitution. But
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: if you told me they did a stricter definition of
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: what qualified as birthright citizenship, I don't want to rule
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  Speaker 1: anything out. I don't think they will, but I think maybe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it feels like I don't think anything's a
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: given anymore. And if something like that gets redefined, then
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: maybe something like this gets real traction. All right, I'm
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: gonna get to my top five.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: List, to top five.
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  Speaker 1: Top top My top five list is going to be
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: five bowl games that are not playoff games, the top
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: five bowl games that, if we played them as the
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  Speaker 1: first in the first two weeks of August next year,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: would be some of the most would be some of
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  Speaker 1: the great games that the entire college football season could
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  Speaker 1: give us. Because I have a I have a proposal
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  Speaker 1: that I know I'm in the minority on with some
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: of my college football fanatic fellow fanatic friends. I've I've
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  Speaker 1: pitched this for a while. Some of you have heard
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: me on my hobby horse before. But I think we're
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: at a moment where I think there's going to be
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: there's going to be some openness to doing something different
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: with the non playoff connected college bowl games. And that is,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: you know, with the opt outs, with the transfer portal,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: with coaches taking other jobs, the number of teams that
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: have opted out of these of these bowl contracts that
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: the Big twelve VCC. In fact, what is it, two
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: teams opted out in the Big twelve and they were
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: fined because you know the money that the bull money
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: is pooled, right usually you know, the team that earns
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: the bull bid gets to keep you know, a big
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: chunk of that money. But like it's like half goes
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: to the school and half goes to the conference. So
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: suddenly you know, this is denying everybody money. When you
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: choose not to go to a bowl game. Notre Dame
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: is not in a conference, although they selectively you want
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: to be a member of the ACC when when, when
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: it's convenient they suddenly felt as if the ACC were
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: burning a bridge with them when they ACC promoted their
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: football member over their non football member. I don't know
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: what Notre Dame expected there. When you humiliate the ACC
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: by refusing by sort of treating the ACC as a
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: minor league scheduling assistant, which is what you've done for
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: all your other sports, don't be shocked when the ACC
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: isn't there to have your back in football. You want
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: the ACC to have your back in football. Join full
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: time rather than just using the ACC as a minor
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: league scheduling system. But the point is, I think by
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: them pulling out of a bowl in some ways they could.
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  Speaker 1: This could It feels like this is the year the
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: death knell of the non playoff bowls. I don't want
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: to see these balls go away. I love the theory
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: of these matchups. What I'd like is these matchups to
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: me something. Well, you know, one hope I had a
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: few years ago is that the advent of nil, that
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: you'd actually see bonus money being paid to players to
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: play in a bowl game. Hey, if you play, here's
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: an extra two hundred fifty thousand dollars. There's an extra
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars whatever, Right, if you agree to play
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  Speaker 1: in this meaningless bowl game, that that maybe would improve
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: things Like I don't know this, but I'm guessing cam
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: Ward got compensated for playing the first half of the
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: Pop Darts bawl that you know, he got extra money somehow,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: which is why I only played one half. Maybe it
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: was part of the deal. I don't know anything, but
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: it certainly that's what it smells like. Travis Hunter did
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: similar things. I mean, and by the way, it's an
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: exhibition game. I mean, you know, the entire world of
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: tennis operates on appearance fees, right, and in some ways
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: it's a quote unquote appearance fee. But I don't think
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: we want that. I think we want real competitive games.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'd like to see is you take all
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: these incredible bowl matchups that we have and instead of
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: having meaningless games that we Yes, it's nice to have
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: on a Tuesday afternoon in the week between Christmas and
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: the years, because it's nice to have something on the air.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I will miss that when it's gone.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can move the FCF playoffs to the week,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: to the middle of the week and we can all
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: start getting into South Dakota State. But I digress. I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to see essentially use the ball matchups that you have,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: but you'll play the following year. Now, I know I've
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: pitched this around to various folks, and the pushback I've
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: gotten is, well, what about the reward for a good season? Well,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: in this case, the playoff is the reward, and if
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: you don't make the playoff, it doesn't feel like you
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: had a good season. Well, the players that earn the
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: good season won't be there to play. Well, a lot
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: of them opt out anyway. So in the hot light
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: of that, here are the top five incredible games that
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: would start in my By the way, if you earn
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: a bull bid, then you get in an extra thirteenth game,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: and you get thirteen games to deliver on your resume
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: for the playoff committee rather than twelve, which having an
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: extra win could be a big deal, having an extra
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: loss could be diluted. So I just think that there's
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: and again, it'd be great if people showed up in Frisco,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: Texas in August. By the way, school hasn't started in
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of the country. You could still have family trips,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: you could have more places hosting outdoor bowl games across
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: the country rather just in the South or the Sunbelt. So,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: without further to doo, my top five games that we'd
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: all be looking forward to in week zeros in the
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: first and by the way, college football would own the
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: month of August. It would be theirs right now, they
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: own Labor Day weekend. That's good, own the entire month
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: of August. Nobody will care about NFL preseason. You guys
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: will step on all of that at Baseball is in
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: a weird lull in that moment in time because of
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: you know, before the Pennant race heats up in September.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: I think it would be good for the sport. And
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: look at these matchups. Okay, Number one, how would you
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: like for an opening week Bowl game in the cheese
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: at Citrus Bowl between the Texas Longhorns and the Michigan
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: Wolverines Arch Manning and Bryce Underwood. Do we really think
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: we're going to get the best versions of Arch Manning
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: and Bryce Underwood in this matchup when they play? How
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: many of the teams or are we going to have
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: people that really care about winning this game come August
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: of next year? So that's number one? What a game.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: What a terrific game, all right, number two on my
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: list of to me that would be the among the
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: most watchable. This is a fun one and it's because
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: it's my way of it what I call the Smart Bowl.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: It's what is going to be the pop Tarts Bowl
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: this year, which should be BYU and Notre Dame, which,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: by the way, what an amazing Week one game that
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: would be or Week zero game BYU and Notre Dame
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: in the pop Tarts preseason Bowl. Right, it's a game
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: that counts. You get all the pop Tart bs that
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: you can get your that your heart desires, and you'd
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: get this great matchup of the Mormons and the Catholics. Okay,
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: we could call it, you know, the super Holy War, right,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: I know Utah and BYU already has the Holy War. Sorry, Lauren,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want to steal the great rivalry name there,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: but you could have call it the Crusades. I don't
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: know if I've offended somebody. I wasn't intending to offend
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: on that. But what a much better game going into
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: the season. Now, let me give you my number three.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: How about a little Penn State Clemson and Yankee Stadium.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: How cool would that be in August rather than some
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: frigid game that nobody cares about with the interim coach
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: at Penn State. Right, But instead it's the debut of
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: Matt Campbell's Penn State, Nitney Lyons playing Dabo Sweeney on
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: the hot seat, and Clemson that's really interesting Unfortunately not
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: an interesting bowl game. Let's see. So there's three, number
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: four on my list at this point, I'm going to
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: go with Arizona State and Duke. You'd have the party
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: crashers from two years ago versus the near party crashers. Right,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: Arizona State wins, the Big twelve gets into the tournament,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: Duke wins. The ACC tried to talk its way into
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: the tournament. But this would be an El Paso that
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite bowl nicknames, the Tony the Tiger
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: Sun Bowl. Give me some Arizona State and Duke then
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: versus whatever middling game that no one's going to care
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: about this year other than the fine folks that go
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: go to the game in El Passa and then fifth
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: on my list. Number five on my list is simply
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: because I think it would become a super popular bowl
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: game in the preseason and a much more desirable bowl
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: to make, and that is the Shared in Hawaii Bowl
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: between Cal and Hawaii. It's probably going to be the
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: one of the more watchable bowl games in this exhibition
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: season that we're about to embark on. But imagine this
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: is week zero, I'd be a little nervous with Cal
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: as a member of the ACC, Tommy Chang's putting together
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: bringing trying to make Hawaii football great again. I still
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: I have a memory of their incredible run that got
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: into the Sugar Bowl one year, where they were just
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: out playing out of their minds and such an exciting
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: team to play. There was nothing like that run and
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: gun team of Hawaii when your midnight nothing else is
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: on and you're watching them win a game sixty five
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: sixty four. Right. The point is all five of those
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: Bowl games I told you nobody's going to give a
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: darn about over the next four weeks. Everybody would be
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: glued to any of those games if they were being
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: played in the first two weeks of August Week thirteen. Anyway,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm just here to solve problems. That's what
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast is about. We're just trying to figure
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: out how can we solve problems. So how do we
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: solve polarization? How do we solve the bold mess? All
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: right with that, I'll see you in twenty four hours.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and until we upload again.