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Ali Mau: From TV Icon to Startup Founder at 60 (And How She Paid For It) · Making Cents

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  A
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  lot
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  of
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  us
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  want
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  to
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  do
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  work
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  that
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  actually
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  means
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  something
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  to
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  us.
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  The
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  thing
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  that
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  stops
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  us
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  can't
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  figure
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  out
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  how
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  to
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  afford
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  it.
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  Look
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  at
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  the
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  end
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  of
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  the
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  day,
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  workers
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  to
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  pay
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  the
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  bills
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  and
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  what
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  we
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  find
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  meaningful
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  doesn't
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  always
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  come
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  with
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  a
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  paycheck.
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  But
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  what
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  if
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  it
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  could?
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  If
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  you
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  could
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  find
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  a
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  way
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  to
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  change
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  the
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  money
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  side
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  of
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  it,
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  to
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  make
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  this
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  a
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  reality.
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  Ali
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  Moore
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  knows
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  all
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  about
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  that.
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  She
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  spent
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  more
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  than
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  two
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  decades
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  as
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  one
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  of
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  New
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  Zealand's
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  most
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  recognized
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  faces
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  on
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  TV
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  Breakfast
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  Fair
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  Go
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  seven
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  Sharp
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  one
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  News.
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  She
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  was
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  also
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  made
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  redundant
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  five
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  times
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  along
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  the
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  way.
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  Nothing
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  like
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  the
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  good
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  old
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  media
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  meat
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  grinder.
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  But
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  actually,
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  turns
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  out
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  that
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  grim
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  cycle
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  was
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  best
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  things
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  to
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  happen
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  to
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  her.
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  Because
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  each
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  time
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  she
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  got
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  pushed
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  out,
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  she
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  got
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  clearer
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  on
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  what
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  she
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  actually
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  wants
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  to
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  do.
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  And
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  eventually
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  she
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  walked
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  away
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  from
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  broadcasting
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  to
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  build
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  something
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  of
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  her
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  own
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  from
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  scratch.
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  If
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  you'd
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  told
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  me
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  a
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  tech
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  startup
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  co
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  founder
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  in
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  my
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  60s,
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  I
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  would
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  have
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  told
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  you
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  you
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  were
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  crazy.
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  But
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  here
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  we
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  are.
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  So
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  what
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  does
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  it
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  take
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  to
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  keep
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  the
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  lights
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  on
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  while
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  you're
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  building
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  something
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  new?
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  Stable
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  income
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  and
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  a
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  passion
• 1:10
  project
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  are
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  two
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  very
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  different
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  things,
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  and
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  most
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  of
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  us
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  need
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  a
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  plan
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  for
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  both
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  at
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  the
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  same
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  time.
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  Nobody's
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  paying
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  a
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  charity
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  CEO
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  600
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  grand,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  you
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  have
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  to
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  be
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  okay
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  with
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  that.
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  Her
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  new
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  project
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  is
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  Tika,
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  what's
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  described
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  as
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  a
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  tech
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  for
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  good
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  organization
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  helping
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  victims
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  of
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  sexual
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  harm.
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  Not
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  exactly
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  an
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  easy
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  area
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  to
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  get
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  into
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  then
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  when
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  you're
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  becoming
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  a
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  tech
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  founder
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  and
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  stepping
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  into
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  an
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  arena
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  where
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  the
• 1:37
  stakes
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  are
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  high
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  and
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  you
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  get
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  it
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  wrong.
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  So
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  1%
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  of
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  contestable
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  funding
• 1:44
  opportunities
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  in
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  Aotearoa,
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  New
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  Zealand,
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  is
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  targeted
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  to
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  issues
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  of
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  domestic
• 1:50
  or
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  sexual
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  violence.
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  So
• 1:52
  welcome
• 1:53
  to
• 1:53
  Making
• 1:53
  Sense.
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  It's
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  the
• 1:54
  podcast
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  for
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  people
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  who
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  want
• 1:55
  financial
• 1:55
  freedom
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  without
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  giving
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  up
• 1:57
  their
• 1:57
  coffee.
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  I'm
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  Francis
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  Cook,
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  financial
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  journalist
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  and
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  fellow
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  financial
• 2:01
  freedom
• 2:01
  seeker
• 2:01
  who
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  makes
• 2:02
  money
• 2:02
  simple
• 2:03
  for
• 2:03
  you.
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  Today
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  we're
• 2:05
  figuring
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  out
• 2:05
  how
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  to
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  afford
• 2:06
  a
• 2:06
  career
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  you
• 2:07
  actually
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  believe
• 2:08
  in.
• 2:08
  This
• 2:09
  episode
• 2:09
  of
• 2:09
  Making
• 2:10
  Sense
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  is
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  supported
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  by
• 2:11
  Odoo,
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  the
• 2:12
  affordable
• 2:12
  way
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  to
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  get
• 2:13
  your
• 2:13
  business
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  working
• 2:14
  smarter.
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  Go
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  to
• 2:15
  odoo.com
• 2:16
  that's
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  o
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  d
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  double
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  o.com
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  for
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  more
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  help
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  as
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  many
• 2:21
  people
• 2:21
  as
• 2:21
  possible
• 2:22
  reach
• 2:22
  financial
• 2:23
  freedom
• 2:23
  by
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  taking
• 2:24
  control
• 2:24
  of
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  their
• 2:25
  money.
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  You
• 2:26
  can
• 2:26
  help
• 2:26
  me
• 2:26
  in
• 2:26
  that
• 2:27
  mission
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  two
• 2:28
  really
• 2:28
  easy
• 2:28
  ways.
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  First,
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  hit
• 2:30
  subscribe
• 2:30
  wherever
• 2:31
  you
• 2:31
  like
• 2:31
  to
• 2:31
  listen.
• 2:32
  YouTube,
• 2:33
  Spotify,
• 2:33
  Apple
• 2:34
  Podcasts,
• 2:34
  or
• 2:34
  any
• 2:35
  other
• 2:35
  podcast
• 2:35
  player.
• 2:36
  Then
• 2:37
  send
• 2:37
  this
• 2:37
  episode
• 2:38
  to
• 2:38
  a
• 2:38
  friend
• 2:38
  so
• 2:38
  we
• 2:39
  can
• 2:39
  all
• 2:39
  level
• 2:39
  up
• 2:40
  together.
• 2:40
  Then
• 2:41
  the
• 2:41
  show
• 2:41
  Grows
• 2:41
  and
• 2:42
  I
• 2:42
  can
• 2:42
  keep
• 2:42
  giving
• 2:42
  you
• 2:43
  the
• 2:43
  money,
• 2:43
  info
• 2:44
  that
• 2:44
  makes
• 2:44
  a
• 2:44
  difference
• 2:45
  for
• 2:45
  your
• 2:45
  life.
• 2:46
  Okay,
• 2:46
  back
• 2:47
  to
• 2:47
  it.
• 2:48
  Welcome
• 2:48
  in.
• 2:49
  I
• 2:49
  mean,
• 2:49
  I
• 2:49
  feel
• 2:49
  like
• 2:50
  getting
• 2:50
  you
• 2:50
  in
• 2:50
  front
• 2:50
  of
• 2:50
  some
• 2:50
  cameras.
• 2:51
  This
• 2:51
  is
• 2:51
  probably
• 2:52
  very
• 2:52
  much
• 2:52
  like
• 2:53
  home
• 2:53
  turf.
• 2:53
  You,
• 2:54
  you've
• 2:54
  had
• 2:55
  one
• 2:55
  of
• 2:55
  the
• 2:55
  most
• 2:55
  recognizable
• 2:56
  careers
• 2:57
  in
• 2:57
  New
• 2:57
  Zealand
• 2:58
  media.
• 2:58
  From
• 2:59
  the
• 2:59
  outside,
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  very
• 3:01
  much
• 3:01
  looked
• 3:02
  like
• 3:02
  the
• 3:02
  dream.
• 3:03
  Was
• 3:03
  it
• 3:03
  like
• 3:03
  that
• 3:03
  on
• 3:04
  the
• 3:04
  inside?
• 3:04
  I
• 3:05
  think
• 3:05
  people
• 3:06
  assume
• 3:07
  television
• 3:07
  as
• 3:07
  a
• 3:07
  little
• 3:07
  bit
• 3:08
  more
• 3:08
  glamorous
• 3:08
  than
• 3:08
  it
• 3:09
  is.
• 3:10
  Case
• 3:10
  in
• 3:10
  point.
• 3:11
  I
• 3:11
  remember
• 3:12
  they
• 3:13
  used
• 3:13
  to
• 3:13
  give
• 3:13
  tours
• 3:14
  for
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  public
• 3:16
  of
• 3:17
  the
• 3:17
  TVNZ
• 3:18
  studios.
• 3:18
  This
• 3:19
  is
• 3:19
  back
• 3:19
  in
• 3:19
  the
• 3:19
  kind
• 3:19
  of
• 3:20
  2000s.
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  And
• 3:22
  sometimes
• 3:22
  they
• 3:22
  would
• 3:23
  bring
• 3:23
  people
• 3:23
  through
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  dressing
• 3:24
  rooms.
• 3:24
  I
• 3:24
  don't
• 3:25
  know
• 3:25
  why,
• 3:25
  but
• 3:26
  remember,
• 3:26
  this
• 3:26
  is
• 3:27
  state
• 3:27
  television.
• 3:28
  So
• 3:28
  the
• 3:29
  people
• 3:29
  would
• 3:29
  walk
• 3:30
  into
• 3:30
  the
• 3:30
  dressing
• 3:30
  rooms
• 3:31
  and
• 3:31
  say,
• 3:32
  where
• 3:32
  are
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  flowers?
• 3:33
  Where
• 3:33
  are
• 3:34
  all
• 3:34
  the
• 3:34
  kind
• 3:34
  of
• 3:35
  the
• 3:35
  lights
• 3:35
  around
• 3:36
  the
• 3:36
  makeup
• 3:36
  mirror?
• 3:37
  Like,
• 3:37
  where's
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  glamour?
• 3:38
  And
• 3:39
  they
• 3:39
  were
• 3:39
  literally
• 3:40
  little
• 3:40
  gray
• 3:41
  cubicles
• 3:42
  in
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  TVNZ
• 3:43
  building
• 3:44
  in
• 3:44
  Hobson
• 3:44
  Street.
• 3:45
  When
• 3:45
  you've
• 3:45
  worked
• 3:45
  in
• 3:46
  television,
• 3:46
  you
• 3:46
  know
• 3:46
  that
• 3:47
  it's,
• 3:47
  there's,
• 3:48
  there's
• 3:48
  not
• 3:48
  a
• 3:48
  lot
• 3:48
  of
• 3:49
  glamour.
• 3:50
  But
• 3:50
  you
• 3:51
  know,
• 3:51
  I,
• 3:51
  I'm
• 3:53
  really
• 3:53
  grateful
• 3:54
  for
• 3:54
  it.
• 3:54
  I'm
• 3:55
  really
• 3:55
  grateful
• 3:55
  for
• 3:55
  all
• 3:56
  the
• 3:56
  experiences
• 3:57
  that
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  had
• 3:57
  in
• 3:57
  media.
• 3:58
  So
• 3:59
  I
• 4:00
  think
• 4:00
  it
• 4:00
  was
• 4:01
  fun
• 4:01
  at
• 4:01
  times,
• 4:02
  very
• 4:03
  boring
• 4:03
  at
• 4:03
  times.
• 4:04
  Pretty
• 4:05
  much
• 4:05
  like
• 4:05
  any
• 4:05
  other
• 4:06
  career,
• 4:06
  really.
• 4:07
  Yeah,
• 4:07
  it's,
• 4:08
  it's
• 4:08
  funny,
• 4:08
  isn't
• 4:08
  it?
• 4:09
  Because
• 4:09
  the
• 4:09
  way
• 4:09
  I
• 4:10
  sometimes
• 4:11
  describe
• 4:11
  it
• 4:12
  to
• 4:12
  people,
• 4:12
  I
• 4:12
  mean,
• 4:12
  nowhere
• 4:13
  near
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  heights
• 4:14
  you
• 4:14
  reach.
• 4:14
  Let's
• 4:15
  be
• 4:15
  clear
• 4:15
  before
• 4:15
  I
• 4:16
  start
• 4:16
  talking
• 4:16
  about
• 4:16
  that.
• 4:17
  I
• 4:17
  don't
• 4:17
  know,
• 4:17
  you're
• 4:17
  very
• 4:17
  famous.
• 4:20
  But
• 4:20
  the.
• 4:21
  When
• 4:21
  I
• 4:22
  interned
• 4:23
  TV3
• 4:23
  Wellington
• 4:24
  way
• 4:25
  back
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  day,
• 4:25
  and
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  remember,
• 4:26
  like
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  just
• 4:27
  had
• 4:27
  this
• 4:27
  real
• 4:27
  clear
• 4:28
  memory
• 4:28
  of,
• 4:29
  you
• 4:29
  know,
• 4:29
  to,
• 4:29
  to
• 4:30
  get
• 4:30
  in.
• 4:30
  When
• 4:31
  you're
• 4:31
  with
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  crew,
• 4:32
  it
• 4:32
  was
• 4:32
  this
• 4:32
  like
• 4:33
  rusty,
• 4:34
  squealy
• 4:35
  garage
• 4:36
  door
• 4:36
  that
• 4:36
  would.
• 4:37
  You
• 4:37
  had
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  push
• 4:37
  the
• 4:38
  button
• 4:38
  like
• 4:38
  three
• 4:39
  times
• 4:39
  before
• 4:39
  recognizing
• 4:40
  that
• 4:41
  up
• 4:41
  and
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  whole
• 4:42
  thing
• 4:43
  very
• 4:43
  much
• 4:43
  held
• 4:43
  together
• 4:44
  with
• 4:44
  duct
• 4:44
  tape,
• 4:44
  you
• 4:44
  know.
• 4:45
  And
• 4:45
  yet
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  bit
• 4:47
  that
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  enjoyed
• 4:48
  was
• 4:50
  these
• 4:50
  experiences
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  can't
• 4:51
  get
• 4:51
  elsewhere,
• 4:52
  that
• 4:52
  you
• 4:53
  get
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  go
• 4:53
  places
• 4:54
  you
• 4:54
  can't
• 4:54
  otherwise
• 4:55
  talk
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  people
• 4:55
  you
• 4:55
  can't
• 4:56
  otherwise.
• 4:56
  I
• 4:57
  mean,
• 4:57
  what
• 4:57
  was
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  highlight
• 4:58
  for
• 4:59
  you
• 4:59
  at
• 4:59
  that
• 5:00
  point
• 5:00
  in
• 5:00
  your
• 5:00
  career?
• 5:01
  What
• 5:01
  was
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  good
• 5:02
  bit?
• 5:02
  If
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  think
• 5:02
  of
• 5:03
  my
• 5:03
  favorite
• 5:03
  job
• 5:03
  ever
• 5:04
  in
• 5:04
  television,
• 5:06
  100%
• 5:06
  it
• 5:07
  was
• 5:07
  fair
• 5:07
  go,
• 5:08
  lovely,
• 5:08
  fair
• 5:08
  go
• 5:09
  rip.
• 5:10
  It
• 5:10
  really
• 5:11
  was
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  dream
• 5:11
  job
• 5:12
  because
• 5:12
  you
• 5:13
  had
• 5:13
  that
• 5:13
  investigative
• 5:14
  part
• 5:15
  which
• 5:15
  is,
• 5:16
  you
• 5:16
  know,
• 5:16
  really
• 5:17
  where
• 5:17
  I
• 5:18
  feel
• 5:18
  that
• 5:18
  my
• 5:18
  career
• 5:19
  which
• 5:20
  started
• 5:20
  long
• 5:21
  time
• 5:21
  ago
• 5:21
  in
• 5:21
  newspapers
• 5:22
  was
• 5:22
  kind
• 5:23
  of
• 5:23
  rooted.
• 5:24
  A
• 5:24
  little
• 5:24
  bit
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  travel
• 5:24
  and
• 5:25
  you
• 5:25
  get
• 5:25
  to
• 5:25
  meet
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  most
• 5:26
  extraordinary
• 5:26
  people
• 5:27
  who
• 5:27
  are
• 5:28
  experiencing
• 5:29
  sometimes
• 5:30
  really
• 5:30
  distressing
• 5:30
  circumstances
• 5:33
  and
• 5:33
  you
• 5:33
  get
• 5:33
  to
• 5:33
  help
• 5:34
  them.
• 5:35
  That's
• 5:36
  why
• 5:36
  I
• 5:36
  just
• 5:37
  loved
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  job
• 5:39
  beyond
• 5:39
  any
• 5:39
  other.
• 5:41
  Because
• 5:41
  it's
• 5:41
  interesting
• 5:41
  because
• 5:41
  you
• 5:42
  were
• 5:42
  on
• 5:42
  record
• 5:43
  as
• 5:43
  well
• 5:43
  at
• 5:43
  one
• 5:43
  point.
• 5:43
  You
• 5:44
  know,
• 5:44
  you've
• 5:44
  been
• 5:44
  made
• 5:44
  redundant
• 5:45
  five
• 5:45
  different
• 5:45
  times
• 5:46
  and
• 5:46
  you're.
• 5:46
  Five
• 5:46
  times.
• 5:47
  We
• 5:47
  love
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  media,
• 5:48
  so
• 5:48
  great,
• 5:49
  so
• 5:49
  stable.
• 5:51
  But
• 5:51
  do
• 5:51
  you
• 5:51
  think
• 5:51
  that's
• 5:52
  a
• 5:52
  transferable
• 5:52
  skill
• 5:53
  of
• 5:53
  getting
• 5:53
  used
• 5:53
  to
• 5:54
  rejection,
• 5:55
  starting
• 5:55
  over,
• 5:56
  building
• 5:56
  up
• 5:56
  again?
• 5:57
  Yeah,
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  think
• 5:57
  so.
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  think
• 5:58
  it's
• 5:58
  useful.
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  can't
• 6:01
  promise
• 6:01
  you
• 6:02
  that.
• 6:02
  I
• 6:04
  learned
• 6:04
  very
• 6:05
  quickly
• 6:06
  from
• 6:06
  all
• 6:06
  of
• 6:07
  my
• 6:07
  redundancies.
• 6:08
  It
• 6:08
  is
• 6:08
  a
• 6:08
  shock
• 6:09
  and
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  personal
• 6:10
  affront
• 6:12
  every
• 6:12
  single
• 6:12
  time
• 6:13
  it
• 6:13
  happens
• 6:14
  and
• 6:14
  generally
• 6:15
  it's
• 6:15
  not
• 6:15
  done
• 6:16
  very
• 6:16
  well.
• 6:17
  You
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:17
  I've
• 6:18
  had.
• 6:20
  So
• 6:20
  my
• 6:20
  second
• 6:21
  redundancy
• 6:22
  was
• 6:22
  from
• 6:24
  Sky
• 6:25
  TV
• 6:26
  after
• 6:26
  they
• 6:26
  bought
• 6:27
  prime
• 6:29
  and
• 6:29
  they
• 6:30
  botched
• 6:31
  that
• 6:31
  situation
• 6:32
  up
• 6:32
  so
• 6:32
  badly
• 6:33
  that
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  actually
• 6:33
  was
• 6:34
  one
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  those
• 6:34
  people.
• 6:34
  There's
• 6:35
  lucky
• 6:36
  people
• 6:36
  that
• 6:36
  got
• 6:36
  a
• 6:37
  massive
• 6:37
  payout.
• 6:38
  This
• 6:38
  is
• 6:38
  back
• 6:38
  in
• 6:38
  2005.
• 6:40
  Right.
• 6:40
  When
• 6:40
  they
• 6:40
  still
• 6:40
  had
• 6:41
  money
• 6:41
  for
• 6:41
  a
• 6:41
  payout.
• 6:41
  Yeah,
• 6:42
  yeah,
• 6:42
  yeah.
• 6:43
  All
• 6:43
  of
• 6:43
  them,
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  think,
• 6:44
  have
• 6:45
  been
• 6:45
  rather
• 6:45
  poorly
• 6:46
  handled.
• 6:47
  I
• 6:47
  think
• 6:47
  people
• 6:48
  could
• 6:48
  get
• 6:48
  better
• 6:48
  at
• 6:49
  that,
• 6:49
  if
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  wouldn't
• 6:50
  mind.
• 6:51
  But
• 6:52
  it
• 6:52
  is.
• 6:53
  It's
• 6:54
  a
• 6:54
  personal
• 6:54
  blow
• 6:55
  every
• 6:56
  time.
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  remember
• 6:58
  when
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  was
• 6:58
  made
• 6:59
  redundant
• 6:59
  from
• 7:01
  Mediaworks,
• 7:02
  from
• 7:02
  my
• 7:02
  radio
• 7:03
  job,
• 7:05
  I
• 7:05
  was
• 7:05
  standing
• 7:06
  in
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  supermarket
• 7:08
  in
• 7:09
  the
• 7:09
  wine
• 7:09
  aisle
• 7:10
  when
• 7:10
  my
• 7:10
  phone
• 7:11
  rang
• 7:11
  and
• 7:11
  it
• 7:11
  was
• 7:11
  my
• 7:12
  boss.
• 7:14
  He
• 7:14
  said,
• 7:14
  I'm
• 7:14
  just
• 7:14
  ringing
• 7:15
  to
• 7:15
  tell
• 7:15
  you
• 7:15
  that
• 7:16
  your
• 7:16
  contract's
• 7:16
  not
• 7:17
  going
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  be
• 7:17
  renewed.
• 7:18
  It
• 7:18
  was
• 7:18
  like
• 7:18
  two
• 7:18
  days
• 7:19
  before
• 7:19
  Christmas,.
• 7:22
  Just
• 7:22
  that
• 7:22
  bluntly
• 7:23
  and
• 7:23
  that
• 7:23
  upfront.
• 7:23
  Yeah.
• 7:24
  And
• 7:24
  I
• 7:26
  kind
• 7:26
  of
• 7:27
  goldfished
• 7:28
  for
• 7:28
  a
• 7:28
  minute
• 7:29
  and
• 7:29
  then
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  said,
• 7:29
  well,
• 7:30
  I'd
• 7:30
  like
• 7:30
  to,
• 7:31
  you
• 7:31
  know,
• 7:31
  I'd
• 7:31
  like
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  face
• 7:31
  to
• 7:32
  face
• 7:32
  conversation
• 7:32
  with
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  at
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  very
• 7:33
  least.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:35
  his
• 7:35
  response
• 7:35
  was
• 7:35
  extraordinary.
• 7:36
  He
• 7:36
  was
• 7:36
  like,
• 7:37
  oh,
• 7:39
  well,
• 7:40
  I'm
• 7:40
  really
• 7:40
  busy
• 7:41
  tomorrow.
• 7:41
  And
• 7:42
  I
• 7:42
  said,
• 7:42
  you're
• 7:42
  going
• 7:42
  to
• 7:43
  fit
• 7:43
  me
• 7:43
  in.
• 7:43
  I'll
• 7:43
  be
• 7:44
  there
• 7:44
  at
• 7:44
  one
• 7:44
  o',
• 7:44
  clock,
• 7:45
  you
• 7:46
  better
• 7:46
  book
• 7:46
  a
• 7:46
  room.
• 7:47
  And
• 7:48
  then
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  phoned
• 7:49
  my
• 7:49
  lawyer
• 7:49
  and
• 7:50
  my
• 7:50
  lawyer
• 7:51
  said,
• 7:52
  look,
• 7:53
  you
• 7:54
  could
• 7:54
  fight
• 7:54
  them
• 7:54
  and
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  might
• 7:55
  get
• 7:55
  another
• 7:56
  10
• 7:56
  grand.
• 7:57
  He
• 7:57
  said,
• 7:58
  my
• 7:58
  advice
• 7:58
  to
• 7:59
  you
• 7:59
  is
• 7:59
  to
• 7:59
  go
• 7:59
  into
• 8:00
  that
• 8:00
  meeting
• 8:00
  tomorrow
• 8:01
  and
• 8:01
  use
• 8:02
  all
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  your
• 8:02
  skills
• 8:03
  that
• 8:03
  you've
• 8:03
  built
• 8:04
  up
• 8:04
  over
• 8:04
  the
• 8:05
  past
• 8:06
  30
• 8:06
  years
• 8:06
  in
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  business
• 8:07
  and
• 8:08
  make
• 8:08
  them
• 8:08
  feel
• 8:09
  really
• 8:10
  uncomfortable.
• 8:12
  So
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  did
• 8:12
  and
• 8:13
  it
• 8:13
  was
• 8:13
  great.
• 8:14
  It
• 8:14
  was.
• 8:14
  I
• 8:15
  thought
• 8:15
  my.
• 8:16
  There
• 8:16
  were
• 8:16
  two
• 8:16
  people
• 8:16
  in
• 8:17
  the
• 8:17
  room
• 8:17
  and
• 8:17
  I
• 8:17
  thought
• 8:17
  one
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  them
• 8:18
  was
• 8:18
  going
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  throw
• 8:18
  up
• 8:19
  at
• 8:19
  one
• 8:19
  point
• 8:19
  and
• 8:20
  he
• 8:20
  was
• 8:20
  white
• 8:20
  as
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  sheet.
• 8:22
  You
• 8:22
  know,
• 8:24
  that's.
• 8:24
  If
• 8:24
  that's
• 8:24
  all
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  get
• 8:26
  to
• 8:26
  take
• 8:26
  away
• 8:27
  after
• 8:27
  you've
• 8:27
  been
• 8:28
  very
• 8:28
  rudely
• 8:29
  Treated
• 8:31
  and
• 8:31
  treated
• 8:32
  with
• 8:32
  no,
• 8:34
  you
• 8:34
  know,
• 8:34
  concern
• 8:35
  for
• 8:35
  your
• 8:35
  own
• 8:35
  mental
• 8:36
  health,
• 8:36
  then
• 8:38
  I'm
• 8:38
  all
• 8:38
  for
• 8:38
  it.
• 8:39
  And
• 8:40
  I
• 8:40
  have
• 8:40
  supported,
• 8:40
  actually
• 8:41
  I've
• 8:41
  supported
• 8:42
  other
• 8:42
  women
• 8:43
  in
• 8:44
  high
• 8:44
  profile
• 8:44
  media
• 8:46
  at
• 8:46
  their
• 8:47
  exit
• 8:47
  interview,
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  know,
• 8:48
  their
• 8:49
  post
• 8:49
  redundancy
• 8:50
  shock
• 8:51
  interview.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:53
  that's
• 8:54
  been
• 8:54
  really
• 8:54
  useful
• 8:54
  for
• 8:55
  them
• 8:55
  because
• 8:55
  generally
• 8:56
  as
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  person
• 8:56
  who's
• 8:56
  being
• 8:57
  made
• 8:57
  redundant,
• 8:57
  you're
• 8:57
  in
• 8:58
  a
• 8:58
  panic
• 8:58
  state.
• 8:59
  And
• 9:00
  to
• 9:00
  have
• 9:00
  somebody
• 9:00
  there
• 9:01
  with
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  that's
• 9:01
  been
• 9:01
  through
• 9:02
  it
• 9:02
  before,
• 9:02
  knows
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  industry
• 9:04
  and
• 9:04
  is
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  journalist
• 9:05
  and
• 9:06
  can
• 9:06
  sit
• 9:06
  there
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  ask
• 9:07
  some
• 9:07
  really
• 9:07
  uncomfortable
• 9:08
  questions,
• 9:10
  that's
• 9:10
  sometimes
• 9:10
  really
• 9:11
  helpful.
• 9:11
  Talk
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  me
• 9:12
  a
• 9:12
  little
• 9:12
  bit
• 9:13
  about
• 9:14
  what
• 9:14
  you're
• 9:14
  doing
• 9:15
  now
• 9:17
  and
• 9:17
  when
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  first
• 9:18
  started
• 9:18
  to
• 9:19
  feel
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  itch
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  build
• 9:20
  that.
• 9:21
  I'm
• 9:22
  not
• 9:22
  a
• 9:22
  journalist
• 9:22
  anymore,
• 9:23
  which
• 9:23
  is
• 9:23
  kind
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  weird
• 9:24
  in
• 9:25
  itself
• 9:25
  because
• 9:26
  when
• 9:26
  I
• 9:27
  left
• 9:27
  journalism
• 9:28
  in
• 9:28
  2023,
• 9:29
  that
• 9:30
  was
• 9:30
  my
• 9:30
  40th
• 9:31
  year
• 9:31
  in
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  business.
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  did
• 9:33
  start
• 9:33
  as
• 9:34
  a
• 9:34
  teenager.
• 9:35
  It
• 9:35
  was
• 9:35
  my
• 9:35
  entire
• 9:36
  work
• 9:37
  life
• 9:37
  and
• 9:37
  my
• 9:37
  entire
• 9:38
  identity
• 9:39
  in
• 9:39
  a
• 9:39
  way.
• 9:40
  And
• 9:40
  I
• 9:41
  had
• 9:42
  two
• 9:42
  choices
• 9:42
  really,
• 9:43
  try
• 9:43
  and
• 9:43
  find
• 9:44
  another
• 9:44
  job
• 9:45
  in
• 9:45
  journalism.
• 9:46
  In
• 9:47
  a
• 9:49
  not
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  great
• 9:51
  moment
• 9:52
  for
• 9:52
  New
• 9:53
  Zealand
• 9:53
  journalism,
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  know,
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  number
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  journalists
• 9:55
  employed
• 9:55
  in
• 9:56
  this
• 9:56
  country
• 9:56
  has
• 9:56
  plummeted
• 9:57
  in
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  past
• 9:58
  few
• 9:58
  years.
• 9:59
  So
• 9:59
  there
• 9:59
  was
• 9:59
  no
• 9:59
  guarantee
• 10:00
  even
• 10:01
  that
• 10:01
  I
• 10:01
  would
• 10:01
  get
• 10:03
  find
• 10:03
  another
• 10:03
  senior
• 10:04
  job.
• 10:05
  But
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  also
• 10:06
  had
• 10:07
  to
• 10:07
  think
• 10:08
  about
• 10:09
  whether
• 10:09
  I
• 10:09
  wanted
• 10:10
  to
• 10:11
  abandon
• 10:11
  the
• 10:12
  work
• 10:12
  and
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  kind
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  level
• 10:15
  of
• 10:15
  mana
• 10:16
  in
• 10:16
  my
• 10:16
  specialist
• 10:17
  subject
• 10:17
  that
• 10:17
  I'd
• 10:18
  built
• 10:18
  up
• 10:18
  in
• 10:18
  the,
• 10:18
  in
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  previous
• 10:19
  five
• 10:19
  years
• 10:20
  working
• 10:20
  on
• 10:20
  the
• 10:21
  MeToo
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  Z
• 10:21
  project
• 10:22
  at
• 10:22
  staff
• 10:24
  and
• 10:24
  just
• 10:25
  do
• 10:25
  any
• 10:25
  media
• 10:25
  job,
• 10:27
  or
• 10:27
  whether
• 10:27
  I
• 10:27
  wanted
• 10:28
  to
• 10:28
  take
• 10:29
  that
• 10:30
  and
• 10:30
  use
• 10:30
  it.
• 10:32
  And
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  thought
• 10:32
  probably
• 10:33
  in
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  NGO
• 10:34
  space.
• 10:35
  So
• 10:35
  even
• 10:36
  before
• 10:36
  we
• 10:36
  started
• 10:36
  building
• 10:37
  Tika,
• 10:38
  I'd
• 10:38
  started
• 10:39
  to
• 10:39
  think
• 10:40
  along
• 10:40
  those
• 10:40
  lines.
• 10:42
  And
• 10:42
  then
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  had
• 10:42
  a
• 10:43
  cup
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  coffee
• 10:43
  with
• 10:43
  Zoe
• 10:44
  Lawton
• 10:45
  and
• 10:45
  we
• 10:45
  were
• 10:45
  really
• 10:46
  just
• 10:46
  bitching
• 10:47
  about
• 10:47
  the
• 10:47
  fact
• 10:47
  that
• 10:49
  despite
• 10:50
  five
• 10:50
  years
• 10:51
  going
• 10:51
  hard
• 10:51
  awareness
• 10:52
  raising
• 10:53
  those
• 10:55
  statistics,
• 10:55
  those
• 10:56
  reporting
• 10:56
  statistics,
• 10:57
  you
• 10:57
  know,
• 10:58
  only
• 10:58
  7%
• 10:59
  of
• 10:59
  people
• 10:59
  ever
• 10:59
  report
• 11:00
  what's
• 11:00
  happened
• 11:00
  to
• 11:01
  them.
• 11:02
  We're
• 11:02
  talking
• 11:02
  about
• 11:02
  sexual
• 11:02
  harm
• 11:03
  here,
• 11:03
  by
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  way,
• 11:04
  hadn't
• 11:04
  budged
• 11:05
  in
• 11:05
  a
• 11:05
  decade
• 11:07
  and
• 11:08
  we
• 11:09
  had
• 11:09
  naively,
• 11:10
  I
• 11:10
  suppose,
• 11:10
  expected
• 11:11
  that
• 11:12
  they
• 11:12
  might
• 11:12
  have.
• 11:13
  So
• 11:14
  we
• 11:14
  started
• 11:15
  plotting
• 11:16
  what
• 11:17
  would.
• 11:17
  And
• 11:18
  Zoe
• 11:18
  had
• 11:18
  had
• 11:18
  the
• 11:19
  concept
• 11:19
  in
• 11:19
  her
• 11:20
  head
• 11:20
  for
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  little
• 11:21
  while
• 11:21
  about
• 11:21
  our
• 11:22
  technology.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:24
  the
• 11:25
  first
• 11:25
  thing
• 11:25
  we
• 11:25
  did
• 11:26
  was
• 11:26
  go
• 11:26
  and
• 11:26
  find
• 11:26
  out
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  few
• 11:29
  facts
• 11:29
  around
• 11:30
  why
• 11:30
  people
• 11:31
  don't
• 11:31
  report.
• 11:32
  So
• 11:32
  what
• 11:32
  are
• 11:32
  the
• 11:33
  barriers
• 11:33
  that
• 11:34
  people
• 11:34
  face?
• 11:35
  We
• 11:36
  got
• 11:36
  some
• 11:37
  information
• 11:38
  from
• 11:38
  New
• 11:38
  Zealand
• 11:39
  police
• 11:40
  that
• 11:40
  showed
• 11:41
  its
• 11:42
  lack
• 11:43
  of
• 11:43
  information
• 11:43
  about
• 11:45
  where
• 11:45
  what's
• 11:46
  happened
• 11:46
  to
• 11:47
  you
• 11:47
  sits
• 11:47
  in
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  legislation
• 11:48
  because,
• 11:49
  you
• 11:50
  know,
• 11:50
  people
• 11:50
  are
• 11:51
  unsure
• 11:52
  about
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  legality
• 11:55
  or
• 11:55
  otherwise
• 11:55
  of
• 11:56
  what
• 11:56
  might
• 11:56
  have
• 11:56
  happened.
• 11:56
  To
• 11:57
  them.
• 11:57
  And
• 11:57
  then
• 11:58
  there's
• 11:58
  shame
• 11:58
  and
• 11:58
  self
• 11:59
  blame
• 11:59
  and
• 12:00
  fear
• 12:00
  of
• 12:00
  not
• 12:00
  being
• 12:00
  believed
• 12:01
  and
• 12:02
  kind
• 12:02
  of
• 12:03
  general
• 12:03
  reluctance
• 12:04
  to
• 12:04
  step
• 12:04
  into
• 12:04
  the.
• 12:05
  Into
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  justice
• 12:06
  system
• 12:07
  unsupported.
• 12:09
  So
• 12:10
  taking
• 12:10
  that
• 12:11
  information,
• 12:11
  we
• 12:12
  started
• 12:12
  thinking
• 12:13
  about
• 12:13
  the
• 12:14
  design
• 12:15
  of
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  project
• 12:16
  that
• 12:16
  would
• 12:17
  sweep
• 12:17
  away
• 12:17
  those
• 12:17
  barriers
• 12:18
  and
• 12:18
  allow
• 12:19
  people
• 12:19
  to
• 12:21
  safely
• 12:21
  and
• 12:22
  securely
• 12:22
  and
• 12:22
  independently
• 12:24
  report
• 12:25
  what's
• 12:25
  happened
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  them
• 12:26
  without
• 12:26
  having
• 12:27
  to
• 12:27
  make
• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  decision
• 12:28
  immediately
• 12:29
  about
• 12:31
  going
• 12:31
  to
• 12:32
  police
• 12:32
  or
• 12:32
  another
• 12:34
  justice
• 12:35
  pathway.
• 12:36
  Yeah,
• 12:37
  so
• 12:37
  that's
• 12:37
  where
• 12:37
  it
• 12:37
  all
• 12:37
  started.
• 12:38
  I
• 12:38
  mean,
• 12:39
  you
• 12:39
  say
• 12:39
  that's
• 12:39
  where
• 12:39
  it
• 12:40
  all
• 12:40
  started.
• 12:41
  It's
• 12:41
  simple.
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  mean,
• 12:42
  that
• 12:42
  sounds
• 12:43
  to
• 12:43
  me
• 12:43
  like
• 12:43
  looking
• 12:44
  at
• 12:44
  an
• 12:44
  insurmountable
• 12:46
  problem
• 12:46
  almost.
• 12:47
  Yeah,
• 12:48
  well,
• 12:48
  it's
• 12:48
  solving
• 12:49
  a
• 12:49
  pro.
• 12:49
  The
• 12:49
  simple
• 12:50
  bit
• 12:50
  is
• 12:50
  that
• 12:50
  it's
• 12:51
  a
• 12:51
  way
• 12:51
  to
• 12:51
  solve
• 12:51
  a
• 12:52
  problem
• 12:53
  that
• 12:55
  we
• 12:55
  tend
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  assume
• 12:56
  is
• 12:56
  unsolvable.
• 12:57
  And
• 12:57
  that's
• 12:58
  the
• 12:58
  exciting
• 12:58
  thing
• 12:59
  about
• 12:59
  the
• 13:00
  project,
• 13:01
  is
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  it
• 13:02
  will
• 13:02
  have
• 13:03
  very
• 13:03
  clear
• 13:03
  outcomes.
• 13:04
  As
• 13:05
  someone
• 13:05
  who's
• 13:06
  also
• 13:06
  certainly
• 13:07
  nowhere
• 13:07
  near
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  extent
• 13:08
  you
• 13:08
  have,
• 13:08
  but
• 13:08
  touched
• 13:09
  on
• 13:09
  some
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  these
• 13:09
  issues
• 13:10
  in
• 13:10
  my
• 13:10
  past
• 13:10
  career
• 13:11
  and
• 13:11
  would
• 13:12
  talk
• 13:12
  to
• 13:12
  people
• 13:12
  about
• 13:13
  it
• 13:13
  and
• 13:14
  how
• 13:14
  big
• 13:14
  the
• 13:15
  problem
• 13:15
  was,
• 13:17
  and
• 13:17
  I
• 13:17
  can
• 13:17
  see
• 13:18
  it,
• 13:18
  you
• 13:18
  know,
• 13:19
  you
• 13:19
  talk
• 13:19
  about
• 13:19
  the
• 13:19
  awareness
• 13:20
  raising
• 13:20
  and
• 13:20
  then
• 13:20
  nothing
• 13:21
  happened.
• 13:22
  And
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  think
• 13:22
  that's
• 13:23
  also
• 13:23
  where
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  got
• 13:24
  really
• 13:24
  frustrated
• 13:25
  with
• 13:25
  and
• 13:26
  left
• 13:26
  things
• 13:27
  like
• 13:27
  political
• 13:27
  reporting,
• 13:28
  because
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  would
• 13:29
  see
• 13:29
  that
• 13:29
  constantly,
• 13:30
  the
• 13:31
  awareness
• 13:31
  raising
• 13:32
  and
• 13:32
  then
• 13:32
  like,
• 13:32
  okay,
• 13:33
  now
• 13:33
  we're
• 13:33
  all
• 13:33
  aware
• 13:33
  of
• 13:33
  it
• 13:34
  now.
• 13:34
  What?
• 13:35
  You
• 13:35
  know,
• 13:35
  and
• 13:36
  it's.
• 13:36
  There's
• 13:37
  got
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  be
• 13:37
  a
• 13:37
  do
• 13:38
  at
• 13:38
  some
• 13:38
  point
• 13:38
  and
• 13:39
  there's
• 13:39
  so
• 13:40
  few
• 13:40
  people
• 13:40
  willing
• 13:41
  to
• 13:41
  step
• 13:41
  into
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  do.
• 13:42
  So
• 13:42
  did
• 13:42
  you
• 13:42
  hit
• 13:42
  that
• 13:42
  point
• 13:43
  where
• 13:43
  you're
• 13:43
  like,
• 13:43
  if
• 13:43
  there's
• 13:44
  going
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  be
• 13:44
  a
• 13:44
  do,
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  guess
• 13:45
  that's
• 13:45
  me.
• 13:47
  Yeah,
• 13:47
  it
• 13:48
  was
• 13:48
  exactly
• 13:48
  like
• 13:49
  that.
• 13:50
  I
• 13:50
  remember
• 13:51
  when
• 13:51
  I
• 13:51
  was
• 13:51
  working
• 13:52
  in
• 13:52
  radio,
• 13:53
  I
• 13:54
  had
• 13:54
  one
• 13:54
  of
• 13:54
  those
• 13:55
  moments
• 13:55
  that
• 13:56
  seem
• 13:57
  maybe
• 13:57
  not
• 13:58
  so
• 13:58
  significant
• 13:58
  at
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  time,
• 13:59
  but
• 14:00
  turn
• 14:01
  out
• 14:01
  to
• 14:01
  be.
• 14:02
  I
• 14:03
  was
• 14:03
  working
• 14:03
  with
• 14:03
  Willy
• 14:03
  Jackson
• 14:04
  at
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  time,
• 14:05
  back
• 14:05
  in
• 14:05
  his
• 14:05
  broadcaster
• 14:06
  days,
• 14:07
  quite
• 14:07
  a
• 14:07
  long
• 14:07
  time
• 14:07
  ago
• 14:08
  now.
• 14:09
  And
• 14:10
  he
• 14:10
  used
• 14:10
  to
• 14:11
  get
• 14:12
  just
• 14:13
  buried
• 14:13
  in
• 14:14
  complaints
• 14:14
  and
• 14:14
  texts
• 14:15
  and
• 14:15
  emails
• 14:16
  would
• 14:16
  come
• 14:16
  in
• 14:18
  from
• 14:18
  people
• 14:18
  saying,
• 14:18
  why
• 14:19
  do
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  bang
• 14:19
  on
• 14:19
  about
• 14:20
  Marty
• 14:20
  all
• 14:20
  the
• 14:21
  time?
• 14:21
  You
• 14:21
  know,
• 14:22
  and
• 14:22
  he
• 14:22
  would
• 14:22
  just
• 14:22
  tell
• 14:22
  people
• 14:23
  to
• 14:23
  go
• 14:23
  jump
• 14:23
  in
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  lake
• 14:24
  because
• 14:24
  he's
• 14:25
  got.
• 14:25
  That's
• 14:25
  his
• 14:25
  favorite
• 14:26
  phrase,
• 14:26
  because
• 14:27
  he's
• 14:27
  got
• 14:27
  quite
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  thick
• 14:27
  skin.
• 14:28
  But
• 14:28
  one
• 14:28
  day
• 14:29
  it
• 14:29
  was
• 14:29
  particularly
• 14:30
  brutal
• 14:30
  and
• 14:30
  I
• 14:30
  asked
• 14:31
  him
• 14:31
  in
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  commercial
• 14:32
  break,
• 14:32
  why
• 14:33
  do
• 14:33
  you
• 14:33
  do
• 14:33
  this,
• 14:33
  mate?
• 14:34
  Like,
• 14:34
  why
• 14:34
  do
• 14:34
  you.
• 14:35
  Why
• 14:35
  do
• 14:36
  you
• 14:36
  put
• 14:36
  yourself
• 14:37
  out
• 14:37
  there
• 14:37
  constantly,
• 14:39
  you
• 14:40
  know,
• 14:40
  just
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  get
• 14:41
  battered
• 14:41
  about?
• 14:42
  And
• 14:43
  he
• 14:43
  looked
• 14:43
  me
• 14:43
  in
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  eye
• 14:43
  and
• 14:44
  he
• 14:44
  said,
• 14:45
  if
• 14:45
  not
• 14:46
  me,
• 14:46
  then
• 14:46
  who?
• 14:48
  And
• 14:49
  like
• 14:49
  that
• 14:50
  almost
• 14:51
  physically
• 14:51
  knocked
• 14:51
  me
• 14:52
  backwards.
• 14:53
  And
• 14:53
  I
• 14:54
  always
• 14:54
  remember
• 14:54
  that
• 14:54
  Comment.
• 14:55
  Because
• 14:56
  that's
• 14:56
  the
• 14:57
  point
• 14:57
  that
• 14:57
  I
• 14:58
  got
• 14:58
  to
• 14:58
  and
• 14:58
  Zoe
• 14:59
  got
• 14:59
  to.
• 15:00
  If
• 15:01
  not
• 15:01
  us,
• 15:02
  you
• 15:02
  know,
• 15:02
  who's
• 15:03
  going
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  do
• 15:03
  this?
• 15:03
  Who's
• 15:04
  going
• 15:04
  to
• 15:04
  offer
• 15:05
  survivors
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  sexual
• 15:06
  harm
• 15:06
  who
• 15:07
  are
• 15:07
  currently
• 15:07
  sitting
• 15:08
  unable
• 15:09
  to
• 15:09
  decide
• 15:10
  whether
• 15:10
  they're
• 15:10
  going
• 15:11
  to
• 15:11
  report
• 15:11
  or
• 15:11
  not
• 15:12
  because
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  everything
• 15:12
  they
• 15:13
  hear
• 15:13
  about
• 15:13
  re
• 15:14
  traumatization
• 15:15
  in
• 15:15
  the
• 15:15
  justice
• 15:15
  system,
• 15:16
  who's
• 15:17
  going
• 15:17
  to
• 15:17
  offer
• 15:17
  them
• 15:18
  an
• 15:18
  alternative
• 15:19
  way
• 15:20
  to
• 15:20
  report
• 15:21
  that's
• 15:21
  safe
• 15:22
  and
• 15:22
  secure
• 15:23
  and
• 15:24
  looks
• 15:24
  after
• 15:24
  them
• 15:25
  throughout
• 15:25
  the
• 15:25
  process
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  leaves
• 15:26
  the
• 15:27
  agency
• 15:27
  in
• 15:27
  their
• 15:28
  hands?
• 15:29
  Nobody.
• 15:31
  Yeah,
• 15:31
  yeah.
• 15:33
  So,
• 15:33
  okay,
• 15:33
  so
• 15:34
  you
• 15:34
  decided
• 15:34
  you
• 15:34
  were
• 15:34
  gonna
• 15:35
  step
• 15:35
  into
• 15:35
  that
• 15:35
  arena.
• 15:36
  High
• 15:36
  stakes
• 15:36
  though,
• 15:37
  right?
• 15:37
  Because
• 15:37
  of
• 15:38
  course
• 15:38
  it's
• 15:38
  a
• 15:38
  very
• 15:38
  serious
• 15:39
  issue.
• 15:39
  The
• 15:40
  victims
• 15:40
  would
• 15:40
  be
• 15:41
  putting
• 15:41
  a
• 15:41
  lot
• 15:41
  of
• 15:42
  trust
• 15:42
  in
• 15:43
  you
• 15:43
  as
• 15:43
  well.
• 15:45
  And
• 15:45
  I'm
• 15:45
  sure
• 15:45
  you
• 15:46
  feel
• 15:46
  very
• 15:46
  personally
• 15:47
  invested
• 15:47
  in
• 15:47
  getting
• 15:48
  it
• 15:48
  right.
• 15:49
  So
• 15:49
  where
• 15:50
  did
• 15:50
  you
• 15:50
  start?
• 15:51
  Because
• 15:51
  you're
• 15:51
  not
• 15:51
  someone
• 15:52
  with
• 15:52
  a
• 15:52
  tech
• 15:52
  background,
• 15:52
  you're
• 15:53
  someone
• 15:53
  with
• 15:53
  a
• 15:53
  journalism
• 15:53
  background.
• 15:54
  I'm
• 15:54
  not
• 15:54
  someone
• 15:54
  with
• 15:55
  a
• 15:55
  tech
• 15:55
  background.
• 15:56
  I
• 15:57
  am
• 15:57
  in
• 15:57
  charge
• 15:57
  of
• 15:58
  all
• 15:58
  the
• 15:59
  comms
• 15:59
  and
• 15:59
  stakeholder
• 16:00
  relations
• 16:00
  and
• 16:01
  all
• 16:01
  that
• 16:01
  bit.
• 16:02
  We
• 16:02
  were
• 16:03
  very
• 16:03
  fortunate
• 16:04
  to
• 16:05
  come
• 16:05
  across
• 16:05
  quite
• 16:06
  early
• 16:06
  on
• 16:07
  an
• 16:07
  innovation
• 16:09
  agency
• 16:09
  and
• 16:10
  they
• 16:10
  actually
• 16:10
  built
• 16:10
  the
• 16:11
  proof
• 16:11
  of
• 16:11
  concept
• 16:12
  completely
• 16:12
  pro
• 16:13
  bono
• 16:14
  and
• 16:14
  it's
• 16:15
  taken
• 16:16
  almost
• 16:16
  two
• 16:16
  years
• 16:17
  to
• 16:17
  build
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  platform
• 16:18
  and
• 16:19
  it's
• 16:19
  ready
• 16:19
  now,
• 16:19
  ready
• 16:20
  to
• 16:20
  open
• 16:20
  and
• 16:21
  they've
• 16:21
  done
• 16:21
  a
• 16:21
  fantastic
• 16:22
  job
• 16:22
  and
• 16:22
  they
• 16:22
  really
• 16:23
  got
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  piece
• 16:27
  about
• 16:27
  it
• 16:27
  has
• 16:28
  to
• 16:28
  be
• 16:28
  survivor
• 16:29
  focused.
• 16:30
  So
• 16:30
  every
• 16:31
  part
• 16:31
  of
• 16:31
  the
• 16:32
  design
• 16:32
  has
• 16:32
  been
• 16:33
  carefully
• 16:34
  built
• 16:36
  so
• 16:36
  as
• 16:36
  not
• 16:36
  to
• 16:36
  re
• 16:37
  traumatise
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  person
• 16:38
  that
• 16:38
  is
• 16:38
  putting
• 16:38
  their
• 16:39
  information
• 16:39
  into
• 16:40
  the
• 16:40
  system.
• 16:41
  What
• 16:41
  sort
• 16:41
  of
• 16:41
  things
• 16:42
  do
• 16:42
  you
• 16:42
  need
• 16:42
  to
• 16:42
  do
• 16:42
  for
• 16:42
  that
• 16:42
  to
• 16:43
  work?
• 16:43
  We've
• 16:44
  designed
• 16:44
  it
• 16:44
  to
• 16:45
  feel
• 16:45
  a
• 16:46
  really
• 16:46
  familiar.
• 16:47
  So
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  first
• 16:48
  thing
• 16:49
  you
• 16:49
  do
• 16:50
  is
• 16:51
  register
• 16:52
  like
• 16:52
  you
• 16:52
  would
• 16:52
  for
• 16:53
  any
• 16:53
  other
• 16:54
  online
• 16:54
  product.
• 16:55
  Netflix,
• 16:56
  for
• 16:56
  example.
• 16:57
  So
• 16:57
  you
• 16:57
  give
• 16:57
  your
• 16:58
  email
• 16:59
  address
• 16:59
  and
• 16:59
  your
• 17:00
  name
• 17:01
  and
• 17:02
  you
• 17:03
  read
• 17:03
  the
• 17:03
  terms
• 17:03
  and
• 17:03
  conditions.
• 17:04
  Please
• 17:04
  read
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  terms
• 17:05
  and
• 17:05
  conditions.
• 17:06
  Or
• 17:06
  you
• 17:06
  can
• 17:06
  watch
• 17:06
  a
• 17:07
  little
• 17:07
  video
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  me
• 17:07
  explaining
• 17:08
  it.
• 17:09
  And
• 17:10
  once
• 17:10
  you
• 17:11
  check
• 17:11
  that
• 17:11
  box,
• 17:11
  you
• 17:12
  have
• 17:13
  immediate
• 17:13
  lawyer
• 17:14
  client
• 17:14
  privilege.
• 17:15
  So
• 17:15
  from
• 17:15
  that
• 17:15
  moment
• 17:16
  on,
• 17:17
  all
• 17:17
  of
• 17:17
  your
• 17:17
  information
• 17:18
  is
• 17:18
  protected
• 17:20
  and
• 17:21
  can't
• 17:21
  be
• 17:21
  sought
• 17:22
  under
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  Privacy
• 17:23
  act
• 17:23
  or,
• 17:23
  you
• 17:23
  know,
• 17:23
  so
• 17:24
  it's
• 17:24
  just
• 17:24
  like
• 17:24
  a
• 17:24
  normal
• 17:25
  relationship
• 17:25
  that
• 17:25
  you
• 17:26
  would
• 17:26
  have
• 17:26
  with
• 17:26
  any
• 17:26
  other
• 17:27
  law
• 17:27
  firm.
• 17:27
  Your
• 17:28
  information
• 17:28
  is
• 17:28
  completely
• 17:29
  secure,
• 17:29
  by
• 17:29
  the
• 17:29
  way.
• 17:30
  I
• 17:30
  just
• 17:30
  want
• 17:30
  to
• 17:30
  say
• 17:30
  that
• 17:31
  out
• 17:31
  loud
• 17:31
  because
• 17:32
  people
• 17:32
  worry
• 17:33
  because
• 17:34
  it's
• 17:34
  sensitive
• 17:34
  information.
• 17:35
  We
• 17:35
  have
• 17:36
  international
• 17:36
  bank
• 17:36
  grade
• 17:37
  security,
• 17:38
  but
• 17:38
  we're
• 17:38
  not
• 17:38
  going
• 17:38
  to
• 17:38
  have
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  manage
• 17:39
  my
• 17:39
  health
• 17:40
  situation
• 17:41
  with
• 17:41
  this
• 17:41
  because
• 17:43
  there
• 17:43
  are
• 17:43
  layers
• 17:44
  and
• 17:44
  layers
• 17:44
  of
• 17:44
  security
• 17:45
  that
• 17:45
  have
• 17:45
  been
• 17:45
  built
• 17:46
  in
• 17:46
  right
• 17:46
  from
• 17:46
  moment
• 17:47
  one.
• 17:48
  Worrisome
• 17:48
  that
• 17:50
  our
• 17:50
  health
• 17:50
  system
• 17:50
  is
• 17:51
  so
• 17:51
  bad
• 17:51
  that
• 17:51
  that's
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  comparison.
• 17:52
  But
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  think
• 17:53
  it's
• 17:53
  a
• 17:53
  good
• 17:53
  comparison.
• 17:54
  Right.
• 17:54
  I
• 17:55
  was
• 17:55
  obsessed
• 17:55
  with
• 17:55
  that
• 17:56
  story
• 17:56
  all
• 17:56
  over
• 17:56
  Christmas
• 17:57
  New
• 17:57
  Year.
• 17:57
  I
• 17:58
  was
• 17:58
  just,
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  read
• 17:59
  every
• 17:59
  word
• 18:00
  on
• 18:00
  it
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  could
• 18:01
  possibly
• 18:02
  find.
• 18:02
  You're
• 18:02
  like,
• 18:02
  now
• 18:03
  as
• 18:03
  a
• 18:03
  tech
• 18:03
  founder
• 18:03
  I
• 18:03
  must
• 18:04
  know
• 18:04
  everything
• 18:04
  about
• 18:04
  this.
• 18:05
  Yes,
• 18:05
  100%.
• 18:07
  You
• 18:07
  know,
• 18:07
  safety
• 18:07
  and
• 18:08
  security
• 18:08
  is
• 18:08
  really
• 18:09
  important.
• 18:13
  As
• 18:13
  important
• 18:15
  as
• 18:15
  making
• 18:15
  sure
• 18:15
  we're
• 18:16
  trauma
• 18:16
  informed
• 18:16
  and
• 18:17
  survivor
• 18:17
  focused
• 18:17
  because
• 18:18
  of
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  nature
• 18:19
  of
• 18:19
  the
• 18:20
  information
• 18:20
  that
• 18:20
  we're
• 18:21
  intaking
• 18:21
  from
• 18:22
  people.
• 18:23
  So
• 18:23
  it's
• 18:23
  all
• 18:23
  encrypted
• 18:26
  in
• 18:26
  transit
• 18:26
  and
• 18:27
  at
• 18:27
  rest.
• 18:28
  Only
• 18:28
  Tika
• 18:29
  lawyers
• 18:29
  are
• 18:30
  able
• 18:30
  to
• 18:30
  access
• 18:30
  the
• 18:31
  information
• 18:31
  in
• 18:31
  the
• 18:31
  platform
• 18:32
  and
• 18:32
  they
• 18:33
  have
• 18:33
  not
• 18:34
  just
• 18:34
  a
• 18:34
  two
• 18:34
  step
• 18:35
  authentication,
• 18:35
  they
• 18:36
  have
• 18:36
  a
• 18:36
  chain
• 18:38
  authentication
• 18:39
  chain
• 18:39
  that
• 18:39
  they
• 18:39
  have
• 18:40
  to
• 18:40
  go
• 18:40
  through
• 18:40
  before
• 18:40
  they
• 18:40
  can
• 18:41
  even
• 18:41
  get
• 18:41
  into
• 18:41
  the
• 18:41
  thing.
• 18:42
  So
• 18:43
  it's
• 18:44
  pretty
• 18:44
  secure.
• 18:45
  After
• 18:45
  that
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  start
• 18:46
  to
• 18:46
  report
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  little
• 18:48
  bit
• 18:48
  about
• 18:48
  yourself,
• 18:49
  what
• 18:50
  happened
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  you
• 18:50
  and
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  name
• 18:51
  of
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  perpetrator.
• 18:53
  Now
• 18:53
  we
• 18:53
  have
• 18:53
  kept
• 18:54
  those,
• 18:56
  those
• 18:57
  information
• 18:57
  fields
• 18:58
  as
• 18:58
  tight
• 18:58
  as
• 18:58
  possible
• 18:59
  because
• 19:00
  we
• 19:00
  don't
• 19:00
  want
• 19:01
  a
• 19:01
  situation
• 19:02
  three
• 19:02
  years
• 19:02
  down
• 19:02
  the
• 19:03
  track
• 19:03
  where
• 19:03
  a
• 19:03
  defence
• 19:04
  lawyer
• 19:04
  will
• 19:04
  come
• 19:04
  back
• 19:05
  in
• 19:05
  and
• 19:05
  say,
• 19:05
  oh
• 19:05
  well
• 19:06
  what,
• 19:06
  what
• 19:06
  did
• 19:07
  they,
• 19:07
  here's
• 19:07
  what
• 19:07
  they
• 19:07
  told
• 19:08
  police.
• 19:08
  What
• 19:08
  did
• 19:08
  they
• 19:08
  say
• 19:09
  to
• 19:09
  Tika?
• 19:10
  You
• 19:10
  know,
• 19:10
  there's
• 19:10
  just
• 19:11
  reminders
• 19:12
  all
• 19:13
  the
• 19:13
  way
• 19:13
  along
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  process
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  you
• 19:15
  can
• 19:15
  stop
• 19:15
  and
• 19:16
  save
• 19:16
  your
• 19:16
  work
• 19:17
  and
• 19:18
  come
• 19:18
  back
• 19:18
  to
• 19:18
  it
• 19:18
  later
• 19:19
  when
• 19:19
  you're
• 19:20
  feeling
• 19:20
  more
• 19:20
  up
• 19:21
  to
• 19:21
  it.
• 19:22
  Because
• 19:22
  we
• 19:23
  know
• 19:23
  not
• 19:23
  everybody
• 19:23
  will
• 19:23
  be
• 19:24
  able
• 19:24
  to
• 19:24
  complete
• 19:24
  that
• 19:25
  process
• 19:25
  on
• 19:25
  the
• 19:25
  first
• 19:26
  go.
• 19:27
  So
• 19:27
  all
• 19:27
  of
• 19:27
  those
• 19:28
  little
• 19:29
  touch
• 19:30
  points
• 19:30
  are
• 19:30
  built
• 19:31
  in
• 19:31
  throughout
• 19:32
  the,
• 19:33
  the
• 19:34
  journey,
• 19:34
  the
• 19:35
  client
• 19:35
  journey.
• 19:36
  They've
• 19:36
  all
• 19:36
  been
• 19:36
  debated
• 19:37
  over
• 19:37
  and
• 19:38
  over
• 19:38
  again
• 19:38
  over
• 19:38
  the
• 19:39
  past
• 19:39
  three
• 19:39
  years
• 19:39
  and
• 19:40
  refined
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  the
• 19:42
  point
• 19:42
  where
• 19:42
  we've
• 19:42
  got
• 19:42
  a
• 19:42
  product
• 19:43
  that
• 19:43
  I
• 19:44
  think
• 19:44
  is
• 19:44
  unlike
• 19:46
  anything
• 19:46
  else
• 19:46
  in
• 19:46
  the
• 19:47
  world
• 19:47
  actually
• 19:48
  in
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  way
• 19:49
  it
• 19:51
  leaves
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  choice
• 19:53
  with
• 19:53
  the
• 19:54
  survivor.
• 19:55
  Because
• 19:55
  when
• 19:55
  a
• 19:56
  survivor
• 19:56
  reports
• 19:57
  along
• 19:57
  the
• 19:57
  normal
• 19:58
  methods,
• 19:59
  it's
• 19:59
  immediately
• 20:00
  taken,
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  agency
• 20:01
  is
• 20:01
  immediately
• 20:01
  taken
• 20:02
  away
• 20:02
  from
• 20:03
  them.
• 20:03
  So
• 20:04
  you
• 20:04
  know,
• 20:05
  I
• 20:05
  think
• 20:05
  that
• 20:06
  there
• 20:06
  are
• 20:07
  specialist
• 20:08
  police
• 20:08
  in
• 20:08
  this
• 20:08
  country
• 20:08
  who
• 20:09
  do
• 20:09
  a
• 20:09
  fantastic
• 20:10
  job,
• 20:10
  fantastic
• 20:11
  job,
• 20:11
  but
• 20:11
  nevertheless
• 20:13
  they're
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  ones
• 20:14
  that
• 20:14
  choose
• 20:14
  whether
• 20:15
  to
• 20:16
  prosecute
• 20:17
  and
• 20:17
  they're
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  ones
• 20:18
  that
• 20:19
  set
• 20:20
  the
• 20:20
  journey
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  the
• 20:21
  interaction
• 20:22
  points
• 20:23
  with
• 20:24
  the
• 20:24
  survivor.
• 20:25
  In
• 20:26
  our
• 20:26
  process
• 20:27
  you
• 20:28
  get
• 20:28
  to
• 20:28
  report
• 20:28
  what's
• 20:29
  happened
• 20:29
  to,
• 20:29
  you
• 20:30
  know,
• 20:31
  that
• 20:31
  you've
• 20:31
  probably
• 20:33
  just
• 20:33
  by
• 20:33
  putting
• 20:34
  your
• 20:34
  information
• 20:35
  into
• 20:35
  the
• 20:35
  ticker
• 20:36
  system,
• 20:36
  you
• 20:36
  have
• 20:37
  helped
• 20:38
  keep
• 20:38
  our
• 20:38
  community
• 20:41
  more
• 20:41
  safe
• 20:42
  because
• 20:43
  you
• 20:43
  reporting
• 20:45
  means
• 20:45
  there's
• 20:46
  less
• 20:46
  likelihood
• 20:47
  for
• 20:47
  the
• 20:48
  serial
• 20:48
  perpetrator,
• 20:49
  your
• 20:49
  perpetrator
• 20:50
  to
• 20:50
  go
• 20:51
  and
• 20:51
  harm
• 20:51
  anybody
• 20:52
  else.
• 20:53
  So
• 20:53
  that's
• 20:53
  an
• 20:53
  important
• 20:53
  emotional
• 20:54
  burden
• 20:55
  that
• 20:55
  we
• 20:55
  can
• 20:55
  lift
• 20:56
  off
• 20:56
  people's
• 20:56
  shoulders.
• 20:57
  You
• 20:57
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• 20:57
  have
• 20:58
  to
• 20:58
  make
• 20:59
  a
• 21:00
  criminal
• 21:00
  complaint.
• 21:01
  If
• 21:02
  a
• 21:02
  group
• 21:02
  is
• 21:02
  formed
• 21:04
  you
• 21:04
  can
• 21:04
  choose
• 21:07
  a
• 21:08
  criminal
• 21:09
  complaint
• 21:09
  pathway.
• 21:11
  You
• 21:11
  might
• 21:11
  want
• 21:11
  to
• 21:11
  take
• 21:12
  a
• 21:12
  civil
• 21:12
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• 21:13
  You
• 21:13
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• 21:14
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• 21:14
  to
• 21:14
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• 21:14
  at
• 21:15
  restorative
• 21:15
  justice.
• 21:16
  Not
• 21:16
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• 21:16
  wants
• 21:17
  their
• 21:17
  perpetrator
• 21:17
  to
• 21:17
  go
• 21:18
  to
• 21:18
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• 21:18
  You
• 21:19
  get
• 21:19
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• 21:19
  choose
• 21:19
  all
• 21:20
  the
• 21:20
  way
• 21:20
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• 21:20
  the
• 21:20
  line
• 21:21
  and
• 21:22
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• 21:22
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• 21:22
  pull
• 21:23
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• 21:23
  at
• 21:23
  any
• 21:23
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• 21:24
  It
• 21:24
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• 21:25
  leaves
• 21:25
  a
• 21:25
  little
• 21:25
  bit
• 21:26
  of
• 21:27
  agency
• 21:28
  with
• 21:28
  the
• 21:29
  survivor
• 21:29
  when
• 21:29
  generally
• 21:30
  they
• 21:30
  have
• 21:30
  none.
• 21:31
  That's
• 21:31
  amazing.
• 21:32
  I
• 21:33
  mean,
• 21:33
  you
• 21:33
  say
• 21:33
  it
• 21:34
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• 21:34
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• 21:34
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• 21:34
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• 21:34
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• 21:35
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• 21:35
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• 21:35
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• 21:35
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• 21:36
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• 21:36
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• 21:36
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• 21:37
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• 21:37
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• 21:37
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• 21:37
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• 21:38
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• 21:38
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• 21:39
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  To
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  though,
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  right,
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  because
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  obviously
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  a
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  very
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  meaningful
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  you.
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  It's
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  taken
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  a
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  long
• 23:18
  time
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  to
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  be
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  developing
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  A
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  lot
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  of
• 23:20
  expertise,
• 23:22
  a
• 23:22
  lot
• 23:22
  of
• 23:22
  people
• 23:23
  committing
• 23:23
  to
• 23:24
  it
• 23:24
  and.
• 23:24
  And
• 23:24
  working
• 23:25
  very
• 23:25
  hard
• 23:25
  on
• 23:25
  it.
• 23:27
  There
• 23:27
  is
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  reality
• 23:28
  behind
• 23:28
  this,
• 23:28
  right,
• 23:29
  where
• 23:29
  that
• 23:30
  all
• 23:30
  takes
• 23:31
  time
• 23:31
  and
• 23:32
  money.
• 23:32
  Frankly,
• 23:33
  I'm
• 23:33
  glad
• 23:33
  I
• 23:33
  really
• 23:34
  knew
• 23:34
  nothing
• 23:34
  about
• 23:35
  that
• 23:35
  when
• 23:35
  we
• 23:36
  started.
• 23:37
  Zoe
• 23:37
  and
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  often
• 23:38
  laugh
• 23:38
  about
• 23:38
  the
• 23:38
  fact
• 23:39
  that
• 23:39
  we
• 23:39
  were
• 23:40
  so
• 23:40
  naive
• 23:40
  and
• 23:40
  had
• 23:41
  we
• 23:41
  known
• 23:41
  how
• 23:42
  hard
• 23:42
  it
• 23:42
  would
• 23:42
  be,
• 23:43
  probably
• 23:43
  wouldn't
• 23:44
  have
• 23:44
  done
• 23:44
  it,
• 23:44
  so.
• 23:45
  And
• 23:45
  then
• 23:45
  you're
• 23:45
  in
• 23:46
  too
• 23:46
  deep.
• 23:46
  You
• 23:46
  just
• 23:46
  gotta
• 23:46
  keep
• 23:46
  going.
• 23:47
  Yeah.
• 23:47
  No,
• 23:47
  you
• 23:47
  can't.
• 23:48
  Can't
• 23:48
  stop
• 23:49
  now.
• 23:49
  So
• 23:50
  what
• 23:50
  is
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  reality
• 23:51
  of
• 23:51
  making
• 23:51
  that
• 23:52
  work?
• 23:52
  You
• 23:52
  know
• 23:52
  you're
• 23:52
  putting.
• 23:53
  Has
• 23:53
  this
• 23:53
  been
• 23:53
  your
• 23:53
  full
• 23:53
  time
• 23:54
  project
• 23:54
  for
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  last
• 23:55
  three
• 23:55
  years?
• 23:55
  Yes.
• 23:56
  So
• 23:56
  okay,
• 23:57
  let's
• 23:57
  get
• 23:57
  into
• 23:58
  the
• 23:58
  financial
• 23:59
  nitty
• 23:59
  gritty.
• 24:00
  This
• 24:00
  will
• 24:00
  come
• 24:01
  as
• 24:01
  no
• 24:01
  surprise
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  anybody
• 24:02
  in
• 24:02
  the
• 24:02
  startup
• 24:03
  world
• 24:04
  when
• 24:04
  I
• 24:05
  moan
• 24:05
  on
• 24:06
  about
• 24:06
  the
• 24:06
  fact
• 24:06
  that
• 24:07
  I
• 24:07
  wasn't
• 24:07
  paid
• 24:08
  at
• 24:08
  all
• 24:10
  for
• 24:10
  my
• 24:11
  full
• 24:11
  time
• 24:11
  work
• 24:11
  on
• 24:12
  this
• 24:12
  and
• 24:12
  neither
• 24:12
  was
• 24:12
  Zoe
• 24:13
  for
• 24:13
  the
• 24:13
  first
• 24:13
  year.
• 24:15
  I
• 24:15
  was
• 24:15
  talking
• 24:15
  about
• 24:16
  this
• 24:16
  not
• 24:16
  long
• 24:16
  ago
• 24:17
  to
• 24:19
  a
• 24:19
  young
• 24:19
  woman
• 24:19
  who
• 24:20
  has
• 24:21
  created
• 24:21
  and
• 24:22
  sold
• 24:22
  a
• 24:22
  startup
• 24:23
  project.
• 24:24
  So
• 24:24
  she
• 24:24
  knows
• 24:24
  and
• 24:25
  she
• 24:25
  just
• 24:25
  laughed
• 24:26
  at
• 24:26
  me
• 24:26
  and
• 24:26
  she
• 24:26
  said
• 24:27
  yeah,
• 24:27
  but
• 24:27
  did
• 24:27
  you
• 24:28
  have
• 24:28
  to
• 24:28
  sleep
• 24:28
  on
• 24:28
  anybody's
• 24:29
  couches?
• 24:29
  Like
• 24:29
  did
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  have
• 24:30
  to
• 24:30
  bounce
• 24:30
  around
• 24:30
  mates
• 24:31
  couches?
• 24:31
  Because
• 24:32
  I
• 24:32
  did.
• 24:32
  And
• 24:32
  I
• 24:33
  was
• 24:33
  like
• 24:33
  oh
• 24:33
  no,
• 24:34
  have
• 24:34
  my
• 24:34
  own
• 24:34
  home
• 24:35
  that
• 24:35
  owning
• 24:36
  my
• 24:36
  own
• 24:36
  home
• 24:37
  mortgage
• 24:37
  free.
• 24:39
  Like
• 24:39
  I
• 24:39
  could
• 24:39
  not
• 24:40
  have
• 24:40
  done
• 24:40
  it.
• 24:41
  Having
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  supportive
• 24:43
  partner
• 24:44
  who
• 24:45
  basically,
• 24:46
  you
• 24:46
  know,
• 24:46
  was
• 24:46
  also
• 24:47
  a
• 24:47
  charity
• 24:47
  worker
• 24:48
  at
• 24:48
  the
• 24:48
  time.
• 24:49
  So
• 24:49
  it
• 24:49
  was
• 24:49
  a
• 24:49
  pretty
• 24:50
  lean
• 24:51
  year,
• 24:52
  2023
• 24:53
  and
• 24:53
  then
• 24:53
  in
• 24:53
  the
• 24:53
  middle
• 24:54
  of
• 24:54
  2024
• 24:55
  we
• 24:55
  were
• 24:55
  funded,
• 24:56
  we
• 24:56
  got
• 24:57
  seed
• 24:57
  funding
• 24:57
  from
• 24:58
  Claire
• 24:58
  foundation
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  that
• 25:00
  was
• 25:00
  transformative
• 25:01
  and
• 25:01
  allowed
• 25:02
  us
• 25:02
  to,
• 25:03
  to
• 25:03
  build
• 25:03
  tech.
• 25:04
  So
• 25:05
  if
• 25:05
  you're
• 25:06
  going
• 25:06
  to
• 25:06
  set
• 25:06
  out
• 25:07
  to
• 25:07
  build
• 25:07
  something
• 25:07
  from
• 25:08
  scratch,
• 25:09
  you
• 25:09
  do
• 25:10
  need
• 25:10
  to
• 25:10
  be
• 25:10
  prepared.
• 25:12
  And
• 25:12
  no,
• 25:13
  I
• 25:13
  didn't
• 25:13
  think
• 25:13
  it
• 25:14
  through
• 25:14
  really,
• 25:15
  but
• 25:15
  you
• 25:15
  do.
• 25:16
  My
• 25:16
  advice
• 25:16
  to
• 25:16
  you
• 25:17
  was
• 25:18
  be
• 25:18
  prepared.
• 25:18
  Make
• 25:19
  some
• 25:19
  preparations
• 25:20
  before
• 25:21
  financial
• 25:22
  preparations
• 25:22
  as
• 25:23
  well
• 25:23
  before
• 25:23
  you
• 25:23
  set
• 25:24
  out.
• 25:25
  It
• 25:25
  is
• 25:25
  funny
• 25:25
  though,
• 25:26
  isn't
• 25:26
  it?
• 25:26
  Because
• 25:26
  I,
• 25:26
  I
• 25:27
  think
• 25:27
  that's
• 25:27
  a
• 25:27
  amazing
• 25:28
  privilege
• 25:28
  of
• 25:29
  coming
• 25:29
  to
• 25:29
  something
• 25:29
  like
• 25:29
  this
• 25:29
  later
• 25:30
  in
• 25:30
  life.
• 25:31
  But
• 25:31
  you
• 25:31
  know,
• 25:32
  not
• 25:32
  everyone
• 25:32
  does
• 25:33
  shore
• 25:34
  up
• 25:34
  those
• 25:34
  financial
• 25:35
  buffers.
• 25:36
  So
• 25:36
  amazing
• 25:37
  that
• 25:37
  you
• 25:37
  were
• 25:37
  able
• 25:37
  to
• 25:37
  come
• 25:38
  to
• 25:38
  it
• 25:38
  with
• 25:38
  life
• 25:39
  experience
• 25:39
  but
• 25:39
  also
• 25:39
  a
• 25:40
  little
• 25:40
  bit
• 25:40
  of
• 25:40
  financial
• 25:40
  preparation.
• 25:42
  And
• 25:43
  I
• 25:43
  say
• 25:43
  this
• 25:43
  all
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  time
• 25:44
  that
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  whole
• 25:45
  point
• 25:45
  of
• 25:45
  money
• 25:45
  is
• 25:45
  not
• 25:46
  necessarily
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  money,
• 25:47
  it's
• 25:47
  then
• 25:47
  having
• 25:47
  the
• 25:48
  freedom
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  go
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  pursue
• 25:50
  the
• 25:51
  things
• 25:51
  that
• 25:51
  matter.
• 25:52
  And
• 25:52
  I
• 25:53
  think
• 25:53
  to,
• 25:54
  to
• 25:54
  even
• 25:54
  be
• 25:54
  able
• 25:54
  to
• 25:54
  do
• 25:55
  that.
• 25:55
  I
• 25:55
  mean
• 25:56
  it
• 25:56
  sounds
• 25:57
  like
• 25:57
  you're
• 25:57
  saying
• 25:57
  you
• 25:58
  were
• 25:58
  mortgage
• 25:58
  free
• 25:58
  but
• 25:59
  not
• 25:59
  necessarily
• 25:59
  like
• 26:00
  someone
• 26:00
  who's
• 26:01
  invested
• 26:01
  a
• 26:01
  whole
• 26:01
  bunch
• 26:02
  and
• 26:02
  can
• 26:02
  live
• 26:02
  off
• 26:02
  investment.
• 26:03
  Unfortunately
• 26:04
  I
• 26:05
  have,
• 26:05
  you
• 26:05
  know,
• 26:06
  I
• 26:06
  have
• 26:06
  a
• 26:07
  mortgage
• 26:07
  free
• 26:07
  home
• 26:07
  which
• 26:08
  is,
• 26:08
  you
• 26:08
  know,
• 26:08
  more
• 26:08
  than
• 26:09
  many,
• 26:09
  many,
• 26:09
  many
• 26:09
  people
• 26:10
  have.
• 26:11
  But
• 26:11
  I
• 26:11
  burned
• 26:12
  through
• 26:12
  my
• 26:12
  savings
• 26:13
  pretty
• 26:13
  quickly
• 26:14
  and,
• 26:15
  and
• 26:16
  unfortunately
• 26:17
  accumulated
• 26:18
  much
• 26:19
  more
• 26:19
  debt
• 26:19
  than
• 26:19
  I
• 26:19
  would
• 26:20
  like
• 26:21
  during
• 26:22
  that
• 26:22
  year,
• 26:22
  which
• 26:22
  I'm
• 26:23
  still
• 26:23
  having
• 26:23
  to
• 26:24
  deal
• 26:24
  with.
• 26:24
  So
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  realities
• 26:26
  are
• 26:27
  tough.
• 26:28
  You
• 26:28
  know,
• 26:28
  we
• 26:28
  were
• 26:28
  really
• 26:29
  fortunate
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  get
• 26:30
  that
• 26:31
  funding
• 26:32
  come
• 26:32
  in
• 26:32
  in
• 26:32
  the
• 26:32
  middle
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  2024
• 26:34
  because
• 26:35
  it
• 26:35
  allowed
• 26:36
  us
• 26:36
  to,
• 26:36
  to
• 26:36
  continue.
• 26:37
  And
• 26:37
  what
• 26:38
  is
• 26:38
  it
• 26:38
  like
• 26:38
  pursuing
• 26:39
  that
• 26:39
  sort
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  funding?
• 26:40
  I
• 26:40
  mean,
• 26:40
  what
• 26:40
  are
• 26:41
  the
• 26:41
  options
• 26:41
  when
• 26:41
  you're
• 26:41
  trying
• 26:41
  to
• 26:42
  pursue
• 26:42
  something
• 26:43
  meaningful
• 26:43
  and
• 26:44
  important,
• 26:45
  where
• 26:46
  do
• 26:46
  you
• 26:46
  start
• 26:47
  going
• 26:47
  to
• 26:48
  look
• 26:48
  for
• 26:48
  help?
• 26:49
  So
• 26:49
  we're
• 26:49
  a
• 26:50
  little
• 26:50
  bit
• 26:51
  of
• 26:51
  an
• 26:51
  outlier
• 26:52
  in
• 26:52
  the
• 26:53
  fact
• 26:53
  that
• 26:53
  we
• 26:54
  are
• 26:55
  setting
• 26:55
  up
• 26:57
  a
• 26:57
  national
• 26:57
  charity.
• 26:59
  From
• 26:59
  moment
• 26:59
  one,
• 27:01
  most
• 27:01
  charities,
• 27:02
  and
• 27:03
  there
• 27:03
  are
• 27:03
  lots,
• 27:03
  and
• 27:04
  there's
• 27:04
  2,600
• 27:05
  charities
• 27:06
  registered
• 27:06
  in
• 27:06
  this
• 27:06
  country,
• 27:07
  something
• 27:07
  like
• 27:07
  that.
• 27:08
  Most
• 27:08
  charities
• 27:09
  start
• 27:09
  small
• 27:10
  and
• 27:11
  regional,
• 27:11
  perhaps
• 27:12
  out
• 27:12
  of
• 27:12
  somebody's
• 27:12
  garage
• 27:14
  and
• 27:14
  they
• 27:14
  get,
• 27:14
  you
• 27:15
  know,
• 27:16
  $50,000
• 27:17
  here
• 27:17
  or
• 27:17
  $10,000
• 27:18
  there
• 27:18
  and
• 27:18
  they
• 27:19
  grow
• 27:19
  incrementally.
• 27:22
  We
• 27:22
  can't
• 27:23
  do
• 27:23
  that
• 27:24
  because
• 27:24
  the
• 27:25
  nature
• 27:25
  of
• 27:25
  our
• 27:26
  work
• 27:27
  is
• 27:28
  national.
• 27:29
  People
• 27:29
  move
• 27:30
  around,
• 27:30
  both
• 27:30
  survivors
• 27:31
  and
• 27:31
  perpetrators
• 27:32
  move
• 27:32
  around.
• 27:33
  So
• 27:33
  we
• 27:33
  need
• 27:34
  to
• 27:34
  be
• 27:34
  getting
• 27:34
  information
• 27:35
  from.
• 27:35
  We
• 27:36
  need
• 27:36
  it
• 27:36
  to
• 27:36
  be
• 27:36
  open
• 27:37
  to
• 27:37
  everybody.
• 27:38
  And
• 27:38
  of
• 27:38
  course,
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  more
• 27:38
  people
• 27:39
  register,
• 27:39
  the
• 27:40
  better
• 27:40
  the
• 27:40
  information
• 27:41
  in
• 27:41
  the
• 27:41
  platform.
• 27:42
  Claire
• 27:43
  foundation
• 27:45
  were
• 27:46
  one
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  our
• 27:46
  major
• 27:47
  seed
• 27:47
  funders
• 27:48
  and
• 27:48
  the
• 27:48
  rest
• 27:48
  of
• 27:49
  our
• 27:49
  money
• 27:49
  has
• 27:49
  come
• 27:49
  from
• 27:51
  individual
• 27:51
  philanthropists,
• 27:52
  high
• 27:52
  net
• 27:53
  worth
• 27:53
  individuals.
• 27:54
  One
• 27:54
  of
• 27:54
  our
• 27:55
  major
• 27:55
  gifters,
• 27:57
  Sid,
• 27:57
  recently
• 27:59
  when
• 27:59
  she
• 27:59
  came
• 28:00
  across
• 28:00
  us,
• 28:00
  she
• 28:01
  actually
• 28:01
  couldn't
• 28:01
  believe
• 28:01
  that
• 28:02
  this
• 28:02
  didn't
• 28:02
  already
• 28:02
  exist.
• 28:05
  And
• 28:05
  she
• 28:05
  liked
• 28:05
  the
• 28:06
  fact
• 28:06
  that
• 28:06
  Zoe
• 28:06
  and
• 28:06
  I
• 28:07
  were
• 28:07
  get
• 28:07
  shit
• 28:08
  done
• 28:08
  people.
• 28:09
  So
• 28:09
  she's
• 28:10
  been
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  supporter
• 28:10
  for
• 28:11
  several
• 28:11
  years.
• 28:12
  Claire
• 28:12
  foundation
• 28:14
  funded
• 28:14
  us
• 28:15
  because
• 28:15
  they
• 28:16
  have
• 28:16
  a
• 28:16
  dedicated
• 28:18
  women's
• 28:19
  funding
• 28:19
  stream.
• 28:21
  That's
• 28:21
  a
• 28:21
  really
• 28:22
  important
• 28:22
  point
• 28:24
  because
• 28:25
  in
• 28:25
  our
• 28:25
  approaches
• 28:26
  to
• 28:28
  the
• 28:29
  community
• 28:29
  funding
• 28:30
  space
• 28:31
  and
• 28:31
  other
• 28:32
  major
• 28:32
  foundations,
• 28:33
  we've
• 28:33
  found
• 28:34
  it
• 28:34
  really
• 28:35
  difficult
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  get
• 28:36
  cut
• 28:37
  through.
• 28:38
  Mainly
• 28:39
  because
• 28:40
  we
• 28:40
  kept
• 28:40
  getting
• 28:40
  told,
• 28:41
  oh,
• 28:41
  you
• 28:41
  don't
• 28:41
  really
• 28:42
  fit
• 28:42
  our
• 28:42
  funding
• 28:43
  pose.
• 28:43
  They
• 28:44
  generally
• 28:44
  call
• 28:44
  them
• 28:44
  POs,
• 28:45
  so
• 28:45
  funding
• 28:45
  streams.
• 28:47
  And
• 28:47
  if
• 28:47
  you
• 28:48
  don't
• 28:49
  fit
• 28:50
  precisely
• 28:52
  their
• 28:52
  funding
• 28:53
  outlook,
• 28:54
  then
• 28:54
  there
• 28:54
  are
• 28:55
  plenty
• 28:55
  of
• 28:55
  other
• 28:55
  projects
• 28:56
  that
• 28:56
  do.
• 28:58
  So
• 28:58
  I
• 28:58
  remember
• 28:59
  in
• 28:59
  November
• 29:00
  last
• 29:00
  year
• 29:00
  I
• 29:00
  got
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  call
• 29:01
  from
• 29:01
  Lani
• 29:02
  Evans
• 29:02
  who
• 29:03
  runs
• 29:03
  Fund
• 29:03
  Sorter,
• 29:04
  which
• 29:04
  is
• 29:04
  a
• 29:05
  SAS
• 29:05
  project
• 29:05
  that
• 29:06
  helps
• 29:07
  charities
• 29:07
  of
• 29:08
  all
• 29:08
  kinds
• 29:09
  research
• 29:09
  and
• 29:10
  write
• 29:10
  funding
• 29:11
  applications.
• 29:12
  They
• 29:12
  basically
• 29:13
  used
• 29:13
  all
• 29:13
  the
• 29:13
  information
• 29:14
  in
• 29:14
  the
• 29:15
  Fund
• 29:15
  Sorter
• 29:15
  platform
• 29:17
  to
• 29:17
  rank
• 29:18
  every
• 29:19
  funding
• 29:19
  contestable
• 29:20
  funding
• 29:20
  opportunity
• 29:21
  in
• 29:21
  the
• 29:21
  country
• 29:23
  by
• 29:23
  issue.
• 29:25
  Right?
• 29:25
  So
• 29:25
  there
• 29:25
  were
• 29:26
  36
• 29:27
  issues
• 29:28
  ranked
• 29:29
  1
• 29:29
  to
• 29:29
  36
• 29:30
  and
• 29:31
  domestic
• 29:31
  and
• 29:32
  sexual
• 29:32
  violence
• 29:32
  was
• 29:33
  second
• 29:33
  to
• 29:34
  last
• 29:34
  with
• 29:35
  1%.
• 29:36
  So
• 29:37
  1%
• 29:38
  of
• 29:39
  contestable
• 29:40
  funding
• 29:40
  opportunities
• 29:42
  in
• 29:42
  Aotearo,
• 29:43
  New
• 29:43
  Zealand
• 29:44
  is
• 29:44
  targeted
• 29:45
  to
• 29:45
  issues
• 29:46
  of
• 29:46
  domestic
• 29:46
  or
• 29:47
  sexual
• 29:47
  violence.
• 29:48
  When
• 29:48
  she
• 29:48
  told
• 29:49
  me
• 29:49
  that,
• 29:49
  I
• 29:49
  had
• 29:49
  this
• 29:50
  moment
• 29:50
  where
• 29:50
  I
• 29:50
  went,
• 29:51
  oh
• 29:51
  God,
• 29:51
  it's
• 29:51
  not
• 29:51
  just
• 29:52
  me,
• 29:52
  it's
• 29:52
  not
• 29:52
  me.
• 29:53
  It's
• 29:54
  not
• 29:54
  that
• 29:54
  I'm
• 29:54
  really
• 29:55
  bad
• 29:55
  at
• 29:55
  this.
• 29:57
  This
• 29:57
  is
• 29:57
  actually
• 29:58
  a
• 29:58
  structural
• 29:59
  problem,
• 30:00
  unfortunately,
• 30:02
  for
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  reason
• 30:02
  that
• 30:03
  we
• 30:03
  don't
• 30:03
  yet
• 30:04
  understand.
• 30:05
  But
• 30:06
  the
• 30:06
  Claire
• 30:06
  foundation
• 30:07
  research
• 30:07
  will
• 30:08
  help.
• 30:09
  There's
• 30:10
  not
• 30:10
  a
• 30:10
  lot
• 30:10
  of
• 30:10
  opportunities
• 30:11
  for
• 30:11
  projects
• 30:12
  that
• 30:12
  specifically
• 30:13
  make
• 30:14
  a
• 30:14
  difference
• 30:14
  for
• 30:14
  women
• 30:14
  and
• 30:15
  girls.
• 30:15
  In
• 30:15
  this
• 30:15
  country.
• 30:16
  Now,
• 30:16
  all
• 30:17
  of
• 30:17
  that
• 30:17
  is
• 30:17
  to
• 30:17
  say,
• 30:17
  Frances,
• 30:18
  that
• 30:18
  it's
• 30:18
  been
• 30:18
  really
• 30:19
  hard.
• 30:20
  That's
• 30:20
  not
• 30:20
  a
• 30:20
  lot.
• 30:21
  It's
• 30:21
  been
• 30:21
  really
• 30:22
  hard.
• 30:22
  We've
• 30:23
  had
• 30:23
  to
• 30:23
  try
• 30:23
  and
• 30:24
  find
• 30:24
  people
• 30:25
  who
• 30:25
  have
• 30:25
  feel
• 30:26
  a
• 30:26
  connection
• 30:27
  to
• 30:27
  this
• 30:28
  issue
• 30:28
  and
• 30:29
  this
• 30:29
  cause.
• 30:30
  So
• 30:31
  we
• 30:32
  know
• 30:32
  from
• 30:33
  lots
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  research
• 30:35
  globally
• 30:36
  that
• 30:36
  people
• 30:36
  tend
• 30:37
  to
• 30:37
  give
• 30:37
  to
• 30:38
  issues
• 30:39
  or
• 30:39
  causes
• 30:40
  that
• 30:40
  they
• 30:40
  feel
• 30:41
  a
• 30:41
  personal
• 30:41
  connection
• 30:41
  with.
• 30:43
  Problem
• 30:43
  with
• 30:44
  Tika
• 30:45
  and
• 30:45
  our
• 30:45
  cause,
• 30:46
  sexual
• 30:46
  violence
• 30:46
  or
• 30:47
  sexual
• 30:47
  harm,
• 30:49
  is
• 30:49
  that
• 30:49
  you
• 30:49
  can't
• 30:50
  really
• 30:50
  walk
• 30:50
  up
• 30:51
  to
• 30:51
  somebody
• 30:51
  at
• 30:52
  a
• 30:52
  networking
• 30:53
  drinks
• 30:53
  and
• 30:54
  say,
• 30:54
  hey,
• 30:55
  are
• 30:55
  you
• 30:56
  a
• 30:56
  survivor
• 30:56
  and
• 30:57
  are
• 30:57
  you
• 30:57
  wealthy?
• 30:58
  Can
• 30:58
  you
• 30:58
  help
• 30:58
  us?
• 30:59
  Like
• 30:59
  that
• 31:00
  would
• 31:00
  go
• 31:00
  so
• 31:00
  well,
• 31:00
  right?
• 31:01
  That
• 31:01
  would
• 31:01
  go
• 31:01
  so
• 31:02
  well.
• 31:03
  So
• 31:03
  it's
• 31:03
  actually,
• 31:03
  we
• 31:04
  know
• 31:04
  that
• 31:04
  there
• 31:05
  are
• 31:05
  people
• 31:05
  out
• 31:06
  there
• 31:06
  who
• 31:07
  will,
• 31:08
  when
• 31:08
  they
• 31:09
  know
• 31:09
  about
• 31:09
  us,
• 31:10
  want
• 31:10
  to
• 31:10
  help,
• 31:11
  but
• 31:11
  finding
• 31:12
  them
• 31:12
  is
• 31:13
  really
• 31:13
  tricky.
• 31:14
  Yeah.
• 31:15
  So
• 31:16
  there's
• 31:16
  anybody
• 31:16
  listening
• 31:17
  right
• 31:17
  now,
• 31:17
  hit
• 31:17
  me
• 31:18
  up.
• 31:18
  I'm
• 31:18
  always
• 31:19
  up
• 31:19
  for
• 31:19
  a
• 31:19
  coffee
• 31:20
  or
• 31:20
  I'll
• 31:20
  buy
• 31:20
  you
• 31:20
  lunch,
• 31:21
  a
• 31:21
  sandwich.
• 31:22
  It'll
• 31:22
  have
• 31:22
  to
• 31:22
  be
• 31:22
  a
• 31:22
  sandwich.
• 31:24
  There's
• 31:24
  not
• 31:24
  much
• 31:24
  money
• 31:25
  to
• 31:25
  go
• 31:25
  around.
• 31:25
  But
• 31:26
  I'll
• 31:26
  get
• 31:26
  you
• 31:26
  something.
• 31:26
  Yeah,
• 31:27
  you'll
• 31:27
  be
• 31:27
  sustained.
• 31:28
  We
• 31:28
  could
• 31:28
  talk
• 31:29
  face
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  face.
• 31:31
  It's
• 31:31
  interesting
• 31:31
  though,
• 31:32
  because
• 31:32
  as
• 31:32
  you're
• 31:32
  talking
• 31:32
  about
• 31:32
  that
• 31:33
  I'm
• 31:33
  thinking
• 31:33
  about,
• 31:33
  because
• 31:33
  I've
• 31:34
  had
• 31:34
  a
• 31:34
  lot
• 31:34
  of
• 31:34
  conversations
• 31:35
  with
• 31:35
  people
• 31:35
  recently
• 31:35
  on
• 31:35
  this
• 31:36
  podcast
• 31:38
  about
• 31:38
  changing
• 31:39
  course
• 31:39
  with
• 31:39
  the
• 31:39
  career
• 31:40
  and
• 31:41
  work
• 31:42
  because
• 31:43
  it's
• 31:43
  just
• 31:43
  so
• 31:44
  much
• 31:44
  more
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  a
• 31:44
  common
• 31:44
  story
• 31:45
  than
• 31:45
  it
• 31:45
  once
• 31:45
  was
• 31:46
  of
• 31:46
  people
• 31:47
  changing
• 31:47
  course
• 31:48
  midway,
• 31:50
  whether
• 31:50
  it's
• 31:50
  by
• 31:51
  choice
• 31:51
  or
• 31:52
  having
• 31:52
  to
• 31:53
  figure
• 31:53
  something
• 31:53
  out
• 31:53
  because
• 31:54
  their
• 31:54
  industry
• 31:54
  has
• 31:54
  totally
• 31:55
  changed.
• 31:57
  And
• 31:57
  this
• 31:57
  idea
• 31:57
  of
• 31:57
  the
• 31:58
  accidental
• 31:58
  transferable
• 31:59
  skills
• 31:59
  where
• 32:00
  you
• 32:01
  end
• 32:01
  up
• 32:01
  somewhere
• 32:01
  very,
• 32:02
  very
• 32:02
  different,
• 32:02
  but
• 32:03
  you're
• 32:03
  actually
• 32:03
  using
• 32:04
  all
• 32:04
  of
• 32:04
  these
• 32:04
  skills
• 32:05
  that
• 32:05
  you've
• 32:05
  built
• 32:05
  up
• 32:05
  over
• 32:06
  years
• 32:06
  or
• 32:06
  decades
• 32:07
  just
• 32:07
  in
• 32:08
  this
• 32:08
  totally
• 32:09
  new
• 32:09
  way.
• 32:11
  And
• 32:11
  please
• 32:12
  don't
• 32:12
  let
• 32:12
  me
• 32:12
  put
• 32:12
  words
• 32:12
  in
• 32:13
  your
• 32:13
  mouth.
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  would
• 32:13
  be
• 32:13
  interested
• 32:14
  to
• 32:14
  know
• 32:14
  if
• 32:14
  this
• 32:15
  is
• 32:15
  your
• 32:15
  experience,
• 32:15
  because
• 32:16
  I'm
• 32:16
  picking
• 32:16
  up
• 32:16
  this
• 32:17
  might
• 32:17
  be,
• 32:17
  but
• 32:17
  tell
• 32:18
  me
• 32:18
  if
• 32:18
  it
• 32:18
  is,
• 32:19
  that
• 32:19
  maybe
• 32:20
  the
• 32:20
  skills
• 32:20
  that
• 32:20
  you
• 32:20
  picked
• 32:21
  up
• 32:21
  as
• 32:21
  a
• 32:21
  journalist,
• 32:22
  things
• 32:22
  like
• 32:22
  the
• 32:22
  investigative
• 32:23
  skills
• 32:24
  to
• 32:25
  a.
• 32:25
  Help
• 32:26
  people
• 32:26
  with
• 32:27
  these
• 32:27
  issues
• 32:27
  and
• 32:28
  get
• 32:28
  to
• 32:28
  the
• 32:28
  truth
• 32:28
  of
• 32:29
  the
• 32:29
  matter,
• 32:30
  but
• 32:30
  also
• 32:30
  to
• 32:31
  figure
• 32:32
  out
• 32:32
  what
• 32:32
  other
• 32:32
  countries
• 32:33
  are
• 32:33
  doing
• 32:33
  and
• 32:35
  where
• 32:36
  the
• 32:36
  funding
• 32:36
  sources
• 32:36
  might
• 32:37
  be.
• 32:37
  And
• 32:37
  okay,
• 32:37
  there's.
• 32:38
  There's
• 32:38
  not
• 32:38
  a
• 32:38
  lot
• 32:38
  of
• 32:38
  funding
• 32:39
  sources.
• 32:39
  Where
• 32:39
  else
• 32:40
  could
• 32:40
  we
• 32:40
  find
• 32:40
  them?
• 32:41
  That
• 32:42
  those,
• 32:43
  like
• 32:43
  I
• 32:43
  say,
• 32:43
  the
• 32:44
  accidental
• 32:44
  transferable
• 32:45
  skills
• 32:45
  would
• 32:46
  be
• 32:46
  huge
• 32:46
  there
• 32:46
  to
• 32:47
  my
• 32:47
  mind.
• 32:47
  But
• 32:48
  also
• 32:48
  the
• 32:48
  ability
• 32:48
  as
• 32:48
  a
• 32:49
  journalist
• 32:49
  to
• 32:50
  pick
• 32:50
  up
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  phone
• 32:52
  and
• 32:52
  have
• 32:53
  some
• 32:54
  very
• 32:54
  difficult
• 32:54
  conversations.
• 32:55
  I'm
• 32:56
  sure,
• 32:56
  you
• 32:57
  know,
• 32:57
  like
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  hardest
• 32:58
  conversations
• 32:59
  of
• 32:59
  my
• 32:59
  life
• 32:59
  were
• 33:00
  had
• 33:00
  as
• 33:00
  just
• 33:00
  a
• 33:00
  frontline
• 33:01
  journalist.
• 33:02
  And
• 33:02
  now
• 33:02
  when
• 33:02
  I
• 33:03
  have
• 33:03
  what
• 33:03
  other
• 33:03
  people
• 33:03
  would
• 33:03
  consider
• 33:04
  a
• 33:04
  hard
• 33:04
  conversation.
• 33:04
  I'm
• 33:05
  like,
• 33:06
  that's
• 33:06
  fine,
• 33:07
  I
• 33:07
  don't
• 33:07
  care.
• 33:08
  That's
• 33:08
  nothing
• 33:09
  like
• 33:09
  pulling,
• 33:10
  you
• 33:10
  know,
• 33:10
  so
• 33:11
  true.
• 33:11
  Right
• 33:12
  back
• 33:12
  when
• 33:12
  I
• 33:12
  was
• 33:12
  working
• 33:12
  on
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  MeToo
• 33:13
  NZ
• 33:14
  project
• 33:14
  at
• 33:14
  Stuff,
• 33:16
  I
• 33:16
  phoned
• 33:17
  just
• 33:17
  for
• 33:18
  chat.
• 33:18
  A
• 33:19
  male
• 33:20
  friend
• 33:20
  of
• 33:20
  mine
• 33:21
  who's
• 33:21
  in
• 33:21
  the
• 33:21
  industry,
• 33:23
  he's
• 33:23
  a
• 33:23
  very
• 33:23
  famous
• 33:24
  person,
• 33:24
  I
• 33:24
  won't
• 33:24
  tell
• 33:25
  you
• 33:25
  his
• 33:25
  name.
• 33:25
  I
• 33:26
  phoned
• 33:26
  him
• 33:26
  on
• 33:26
  a
• 33:26
  Thursday
• 33:27
  afternoon
• 33:28
  just
• 33:29
  for
• 33:29
  a
• 33:29
  chat
• 33:30
  and
• 33:30
  he
• 33:30
  picked
• 33:30
  up
• 33:30
  the
• 33:30
  phone,
• 33:31
  he
• 33:31
  went,
• 33:31
  allie,
• 33:32
  do
• 33:32
  not
• 33:33
  ring
• 33:33
  me
• 33:33
  on
• 33:34
  a
• 33:34
  Thursday
• 33:34
  afternoon.
• 33:35
  Because
• 33:35
  of
• 33:35
  course
• 33:36
  that's
• 33:36
  when
• 33:36
  I
• 33:37
  used
• 33:37
  to
• 33:37
  ring
• 33:37
  all
• 33:37
  the
• 33:38
  perpetrators
• 33:39
  that
• 33:39
  had
• 33:39
  allegations
• 33:40
  against
• 33:40
  them
• 33:41
  and
• 33:42
  say,
• 33:42
  oh,
• 33:43
  hello,
• 33:43
  is
• 33:43
  that
• 33:44
  Mr.
• 33:44
  Bloggs?
• 33:45
  My
• 33:45
  name's
• 33:46
  Alison
• 33:46
  Moore,
• 33:46
  I
• 33:46
  work
• 33:47
  for
• 33:47
  staff.
• 33:47
  There's
• 33:48
  been
• 33:48
  some
• 33:48
  allegations
• 33:49
  made
• 33:49
  about
• 33:49
  you
• 33:49
  and
• 33:50
  I
• 33:50
  would
• 33:50
  like
• 33:50
  your
• 33:50
  response.
• 33:51
  And
• 33:52
  you
• 33:52
  know,
• 33:52
  you
• 33:52
  have
• 33:52
  until
• 33:53
  Sunday
• 33:53
  morning
• 33:53
  or
• 33:54
  whatever.
• 33:55
  He
• 33:55
  was
• 33:55
  like,
• 33:56
  don't
• 33:56
  do
• 33:56
  that.
• 33:56
  You
• 33:56
  give
• 33:57
  me
• 33:57
  a
• 33:57
  heart
• 33:57
  attack.
• 33:57
  Do
• 33:57
  not
• 33:58
  call
• 33:58
  me
• 33:58
  within
• 33:58
  working
• 33:59
  hours.
• 33:59
  This
• 33:59
  needs
• 33:59
  to
• 34:00
  be,
• 34:00
  obviously,
• 34:00
  call
• 34:00
  me
• 34:00
  on
• 34:00
  a
• 34:00
  Monday,
• 34:01
  a
• 34:01
  social
• 34:01
  call,
• 34:02
  please.
• 34:02
  Yes.
• 34:04
  So
• 34:05
  look,
• 34:06
  I
• 34:07
  did.
• 34:07
  If
• 34:08
  you
• 34:08
  told
• 34:08
  me
• 34:08
  that
• 34:09
  I
• 34:09
  was
• 34:09
  going
• 34:09
  to
• 34:10
  be
• 34:11
  a
• 34:12
  tech
• 34:12
  startup
• 34:13
  co
• 34:13
  founder
• 34:13
  in
• 34:14
  my
• 34:14
  60s,
• 34:15
  I
• 34:15
  would
• 34:15
  have
• 34:15
  told
• 34:15
  you
• 34:16
  you
• 34:16
  were
• 34:16
  crazy.
• 34:17
  But
• 34:17
  here
• 34:18
  we
• 34:18
  are.
• 34:18
  Yes,
• 34:19
  it's
• 34:19
  really
• 34:20
  helpful
• 34:21
  when
• 34:21
  I
• 34:21
  have
• 34:22
  to,
• 34:22
  you
• 34:22
  know,
• 34:23
  pass
• 34:23
  information,
• 34:24
  for
• 34:24
  example,
• 34:26
  as
• 34:26
  quickly
• 34:26
  as
• 34:26
  possible.
• 34:27
  If
• 34:27
  I
• 34:27
  have
• 34:27
  to
• 34:27
  analyze.
• 34:28
  I
• 34:28
  spend
• 34:28
  a
• 34:28
  lot
• 34:28
  of
• 34:28
  time
• 34:29
  reading
• 34:29
  international
• 34:30
  reports
• 34:31
  and
• 34:31
  I
• 34:32
  have
• 34:32
  some
• 34:33
  really
• 34:33
  good
• 34:33
  skills
• 34:33
  from
• 34:34
  my
• 34:34
  journalism
• 34:34
  career
• 34:35
  on
• 34:35
  analyzing
• 34:36
  and
• 34:36
  picking
• 34:37
  out
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  stuff.
• 34:38
  And
• 34:38
  it's
• 34:38
  helpful,
• 34:39
  it's
• 34:39
  really
• 34:40
  helpful.
• 34:40
  And
• 34:40
  yes,
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  can
• 34:41
  talk
• 34:41
  to
• 34:41
  pretty
• 34:42
  much
• 34:43
  anyone
• 34:43
  about
• 34:44
  anything.
• 34:45
  Can
• 34:45
  I
• 34:45
  ask
• 34:46
  something
• 34:46
  that
• 34:46
  might
• 34:46
  be
• 34:47
  a
• 34:47
  little
• 34:47
  like,
• 34:48
  I
• 34:48
  mean,
• 34:48
  the
• 34:48
  most
• 34:48
  complimentary
• 34:49
  way,
• 34:50
  is
• 34:50
  sometimes
• 34:50
  having
• 34:51
  your
• 34:51
  profile
• 34:52
  also
• 34:52
  useful
• 34:53
  when
• 34:53
  you're
• 34:53
  approaching,
• 34:54
  you
• 34:54
  know,
• 34:54
  these
• 34:54
  high
• 34:55
  net
• 34:55
  worth
• 34:55
  individuals?
• 34:55
  It's
• 34:56
  so
• 34:56
  useful,
• 34:56
  right?
• 34:57
  If
• 34:57
  you
• 34:57
  use
• 34:57
  it
• 34:58
  quite
• 34:58
  deliberately,
• 34:58
  might
• 34:59
  as
• 34:59
  well,
• 34:59
  right?
• 35:00
  Well,
• 35:01
  no,
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  don't
• 35:04
  consciously
• 35:05
  use
• 35:05
  it,
• 35:06
  but
• 35:06
  I
• 35:06
  recognize
• 35:07
  that
• 35:07
  it's
• 35:07
  really
• 35:08
  helpful.
• 35:09
  Somebody
• 35:09
  who
• 35:10
  just
• 35:10
  started
• 35:10
  working
• 35:11
  with
• 35:11
  us
• 35:12
  about
• 35:13
  a
• 35:13
  month
• 35:13
  in
• 35:14
  on
• 35:15
  a
• 35:15
  call
• 35:15
  said
• 35:15
  to
• 35:16
  me,
• 35:16
  people
• 35:16
  trust
• 35:17
  you,
• 35:18
  so
• 35:19
  that's
• 35:19
  good
• 35:19
  to
• 35:19
  hear,
• 35:20
  right?
• 35:21
  So
• 35:22
  obviously
• 35:23
  they
• 35:23
  know
• 35:23
  me
• 35:24
  for
• 35:24
  this
• 35:24
  kind
• 35:24
  of
• 35:25
  work
• 35:26
  because
• 35:26
  what
• 35:27
  we're
• 35:27
  doing
• 35:27
  here
• 35:27
  is
• 35:27
  very
• 35:28
  new,
• 35:28
  it's
• 35:28
  not
• 35:28
  been
• 35:29
  done
• 35:29
  in
• 35:29
  this
• 35:30
  country
• 35:31
  and
• 35:31
  it's
• 35:31
  a
• 35:31
  startup.
• 35:33
  So
• 35:33
  if
• 35:33
  people
• 35:34
  hear
• 35:34
  my
• 35:35
  name
• 35:35
  and
• 35:35
  say,
• 35:36
  yeah,
• 35:36
  I'm
• 35:36
  going
• 35:36
  to
• 35:36
  take
• 35:36
  that
• 35:37
  call
• 35:38
  because
• 35:39
  I
• 35:39
  trust
• 35:40
  that
• 35:40
  she's
• 35:41
  doing
• 35:41
  something
• 35:42
  serious
• 35:42
  and
• 35:42
  useful,
• 35:43
  then
• 35:43
  great.
• 35:44
  Because
• 35:45
  it's
• 35:45
  funny,
• 35:45
  a
• 35:46
  few
• 35:46
  weeks
• 35:46
  ago
• 35:46
  we
• 35:46
  had
• 35:47
  a
• 35:47
  conversation
• 35:47
  on
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  podcast
• 35:48
  about,
• 35:48
  you
• 35:48
  know,
• 35:48
  using
• 35:48
  personal
• 35:49
  brand
• 35:49
  to
• 35:49
  increase
• 35:50
  your
• 35:50
  career
• 35:50
  opportunities
• 35:51
  and
• 35:51
  the
• 35:52
  whole
• 35:52
  idea
• 35:52
  of
• 35:52
  like
• 35:52
  personal
• 35:53
  brand.
• 35:53
  It's
• 35:53
  such
• 35:54
  a
• 35:54
  cringe
• 35:54
  phrase.
• 35:55
  So
• 35:55
  cringe.
• 35:55
  But
• 35:56
  when
• 35:56
  you
• 35:56
  think
• 35:56
  about
• 35:56
  it
• 35:56
  as
• 35:56
  reputation
• 35:58
  instead,
• 35:58
  the
• 35:59
  exact
• 35:59
  same
• 35:59
  thing,
• 36:00
  but
• 36:00
  a
• 36:00
  totally
• 36:00
  different
• 36:01
  emotional
• 36:02
  response,
• 36:02
  I
• 36:02
  think.
• 36:03
  And
• 36:03
  having
• 36:03
  built
• 36:04
  up
• 36:04
  that
• 36:04
  reputation
• 36:05
  on
• 36:05
  something
• 36:05
  that
• 36:05
  is
• 36:06
  a
• 36:06
  really
• 36:07
  hot
• 36:07
  button
• 36:07
  issue
• 36:07
  and
• 36:08
  a
• 36:08
  real
• 36:08
  high
• 36:08
  trust
• 36:09
  issue.
• 36:11
  Yeah,
• 36:11
  surely
• 36:12
  to,
• 36:12
  to
• 36:12
  show,
• 36:12
  you
• 36:13
  know,
• 36:13
  I've
• 36:13
  got
• 36:14
  this
• 36:14
  background
• 36:15
  in
• 36:15
  it,
• 36:15
  I've
• 36:15
  been
• 36:16
  doing
• 36:16
  this.
• 36:16
  I'm
• 36:16
  not
• 36:16
  just
• 36:16
  coming
• 36:17
  in
• 36:17
  here
• 36:18
  thinking
• 36:18
  this
• 36:18
  will
• 36:18
  be
• 36:18
  some
• 36:19
  fun
• 36:19
  project
• 36:19
  to
• 36:20
  make
• 36:20
  myself
• 36:20
  feel
• 36:20
  better.
• 36:21
  I've
• 36:22
  done
• 36:22
  the
• 36:22
  work
• 36:23
  that
• 36:23
  has
• 36:23
  to
• 36:23
  be
• 36:24
  so
• 36:24
  useful.
• 36:24
  It
• 36:25
  is
• 36:25
  useful.
• 36:26
  Having
• 36:26
  said
• 36:26
  that,
• 36:28
  I'm
• 36:28
  not
• 36:28
  a
• 36:30
  qualified
• 36:31
  anything
• 36:32
  really.
• 36:33
  I'm
• 36:33
  not
• 36:33
  a
• 36:33
  counselor,
• 36:34
  I'm
• 36:34
  not
• 36:34
  a
• 36:34
  psychologist.
• 36:35
  I
• 36:36
  have
• 36:36
  done
• 36:36
  a
• 36:37
  lot
• 36:37
  of
• 36:37
  work
• 36:37
  with
• 36:38
  hundreds
• 36:39
  of
• 36:39
  survivors
• 36:41
  and
• 36:41
  I'm
• 36:41
  a
• 36:42
  survivor
• 36:42
  myself.
• 36:43
  So
• 36:43
  I
• 36:43
  come
• 36:43
  from
• 36:43
  that
• 36:44
  lived
• 36:44
  experience
• 36:45
  point
• 36:45
  of
• 36:45
  view
• 36:46
  and
• 36:46
  I
• 36:47
  bring
• 36:47
  in
• 36:47
  when
• 36:47
  they're
• 36:48
  useful.
• 36:49
  My
• 36:49
  public
• 36:49
  speaking
• 36:50
  skills.
• 36:52
  Yes.
• 36:52
  My
• 36:53
  broader
• 36:53
  reputation,
• 36:55
  my
• 36:55
  knowledge
• 36:55
  of
• 36:55
  the
• 36:56
  media,
• 36:57
  that's
• 36:58
  all
• 36:58
  really
• 36:58
  useful
• 36:59
  stuff
• 36:59
  for
• 37:00
  me
• 37:00
  right
• 37:00
  now.
• 37:01
  In
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  work
• 37:01
  you're
• 37:02
  in
• 37:02
  now,
• 37:02
  obviously
• 37:03
  incredibly
• 37:04
  important,
• 37:04
  incredibly
• 37:05
  meaningful,
• 37:07
  I
• 37:07
  imagine.
• 37:08
  Incredibly
• 37:08
  easy
• 37:09
  to
• 37:09
  burn
• 37:09
  out.
• 37:10
  Is
• 37:10
  that
• 37:11
  something
• 37:11
  that
• 37:11
  you've
• 37:13
  experienced
• 37:13
  at
• 37:14
  any
• 37:14
  point
• 37:14
  either
• 37:15
  in
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  reporting
• 37:16
  of
• 37:16
  this
• 37:16
  or
• 37:16
  now,
• 37:16
  you
• 37:17
  know,
• 37:17
  working
• 37:17
  in
• 37:17
  the
• 37:18
  sector,
• 37:18
  Is
• 37:18
  it
• 37:18
  something
• 37:19
  that
• 37:19
  you
• 37:19
  guard
• 37:19
  against?
• 37:20
  I'm
• 37:20
  not
• 37:20
  very
• 37:21
  good
• 37:21
  at
• 37:21
  that.
• 37:22
  So
• 37:22
  yes,
• 37:22
  I
• 37:22
  did
• 37:23
  have
• 37:23
  a
• 37:25
  period
• 37:25
  of
• 37:25
  burnout
• 37:26
  in
• 37:27
  when
• 37:27
  I
• 37:27
  was
• 37:27
  AT
• 37:27
  staff
• 37:28
  in
• 37:28
  2020.
• 37:30
  It
• 37:30
  is
• 37:30
  difficult
• 37:32
  in
• 37:32
  this
• 37:33
  work
• 37:33
  as
• 37:34
  well.
• 37:34
  There
• 37:35
  is
• 37:35
  a
• 37:35
  lot
• 37:35
  to
• 37:35
  be
• 37:36
  done
• 37:36
  in
• 37:36
  an
• 37:36
  incredibly
• 37:37
  small
• 37:37
  team
• 37:38
  currently
• 37:39
  until
• 37:39
  we're
• 37:39
  launched
• 37:40
  and
• 37:40
  have
• 37:40
  a
• 37:40
  bit
• 37:40
  of,
• 37:41
  you
• 37:41
  know,
• 37:41
  more
• 37:42
  funding,
• 37:43
  always
• 37:43
  more
• 37:43
  funding,.
• 37:43
  More
• 37:44
  funding,
• 37:44
  high
• 37:44
  net
• 37:45
  worth
• 37:45
  individuals.
• 37:45
  Please
• 37:45
  pay
• 37:46
  for
• 37:46
  this.
• 37:46
  Yeah,
• 37:46
  please,
• 37:46
  please,
• 37:47
  please.
• 37:47
  You
• 37:48
  know,
• 37:48
  I
• 37:48
  have
• 37:48
  weeks
• 37:48
  when
• 37:49
  I
• 37:49
  work
• 37:49
  all
• 37:49
  weekend
• 37:50
  and
• 37:50
  I
• 37:51
  have
• 37:51
  weeks
• 37:51
  when
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  make
• 37:52
  sure
• 37:52
  I
• 37:53
  just
• 37:54
  go
• 37:54
  and
• 37:54
  ride
• 37:54
  my
• 37:54
  horse
• 37:55
  and
• 37:55
  then
• 37:56
  spend
• 37:56
  the
• 37:56
  rest
• 37:57
  of
• 37:57
  the
• 37:57
  weekend
• 37:58
  lying
• 37:58
  down
• 37:58
  with
• 37:58
  a
• 37:58
  book.
• 38:00
  It's
• 38:00
  a
• 38:01
  constant
• 38:01
  worry
• 38:02
  actually
• 38:02
  in
• 38:02
  the
• 38:02
  back
• 38:02
  of
• 38:03
  my
• 38:03
  mind
• 38:03
  that
• 38:03
  I
• 38:03
  am
• 38:03
  going
• 38:04
  to
• 38:04
  experience
• 38:05
  burnout
• 38:05
  again.
• 38:07
  It's
• 38:07
  really
• 38:07
  easy
• 38:08
  to
• 38:08
  do
• 38:08
  when
• 38:08
  there's
• 38:09
  too
• 38:09
  much
• 38:09
  to
• 38:09
  do
• 38:10
  and
• 38:10
  not
• 38:10
  enough
• 38:10
  people
• 38:11
  to
• 38:11
  do
• 38:11
  it.
• 38:12
  But
• 38:12
  you
• 38:13
  know,
• 38:13
  there
• 38:13
  are
• 38:13
  some
• 38:13
  concepts
• 38:14
  that
• 38:14
  I
• 38:15
  hold
• 38:15
  in
• 38:15
  my
• 38:16
  head
• 38:16
  that
• 38:17
  help
• 38:18
  me.
• 38:19
  One
• 38:19
  of
• 38:19
  my
• 38:19
  favorite
• 38:20
  books
• 38:20
  of
• 38:20
  recent
• 38:21
  times
• 38:21
  is
• 38:21
  Moral
• 38:22
  Ambition
• 38:22
  by
• 38:23
  Rutger
• 38:23
  Bremner.
• 38:24
  He
• 38:24
  points
• 38:25
  out
• 38:25
  that
• 38:26
  you
• 38:27
  have
• 38:27
  2,000
• 38:28
  weeks
• 38:29
  of
• 38:29
  working
• 38:29
  life
• 38:31
  to
• 38:31
  play
• 38:32
  with.
• 38:33
  Puts
• 38:33
  it
• 38:33
  in
• 38:33
  perspective,
• 38:33
  right?
• 38:35
  So
• 38:35
  the
• 38:35
  choice
• 38:37
  that
• 38:37
  you
• 38:37
  make
• 38:38
  about
• 38:39
  what
• 38:39
  you
• 38:39
  do
• 38:40
  with
• 38:40
  that
• 38:40
  time
• 38:41
  is
• 38:42
  the
• 38:42
  most
• 38:42
  important
• 38:43
  moral
• 38:43
  choice
• 38:44
  you'll
• 38:44
  make
• 38:44
  in
• 38:44
  your
• 38:44
  lifetime.
• 38:46
  I
• 38:46
  think
• 38:46
  those
• 38:46
  con
• 38:47
  concepts
• 38:47
  really
• 38:48
  help
• 38:48
  because
• 38:48
  they
• 38:49
  remind
• 38:49
  you
• 38:50
  why
• 38:50
  you're
• 38:51
  in
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  grind.
• 38:53
  But
• 38:53
  I
• 38:53
  am
• 38:53
  A
• 38:53
  bit
• 38:53
  of
• 38:54
  a
• 38:54
  workaholic.
• 38:54
  And
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  am,
• 38:57
  as
• 38:57
  a
• 38:57
  journalist,
• 38:58
  I
• 38:58
  can
• 38:59
  be
• 38:59
  really
• 38:59
  hyper
• 38:59
  focused
• 39:00
  on
• 39:00
  and
• 39:01
  really
• 39:01
  deadline
• 39:01
  driven.
• 39:03
  You
• 39:03
  know,
• 39:03
  when
• 39:04
  I
• 39:04
  wrote
• 39:04
  that
• 39:04
  book
• 39:05
  in
• 39:05
  2023,
• 39:06
  24
• 39:07
  and
• 39:08
  2024,
• 39:10
  I
• 39:10
  wrote
• 39:12
  so
• 39:12
  75,000
• 39:13
  words
• 39:14
  around
• 39:14
  about.
• 39:15
  I
• 39:15
  wrote
• 39:16
  30,000
• 39:16
  words
• 39:17
  in
• 39:17
  a
• 39:17
  year
• 39:17
  and
• 39:18
  then
• 39:18
  another
• 39:19
  45,000
• 39:19
  words
• 39:20
  in
• 39:20
  four
• 39:20
  months
• 39:21
  because
• 39:22
  I
• 39:22
  had
• 39:23
  to.
• 39:23
  So.
• 39:25
  And
• 39:25
  I
• 39:25
  am
• 39:25
  that
• 39:25
  person
• 39:26
  as
• 39:26
  a
• 39:26
  journalist
• 39:26
  since
• 39:27
  I
• 39:27
  was
• 39:28
  18
• 39:28
  years
• 39:28
  old.
• 39:30
  People
• 39:30
  that
• 39:30
  really
• 39:31
  make
• 39:31
  a
• 39:31
  difference
• 39:32
  in
• 39:32
  this
• 39:32
  world,
• 39:32
  in
• 39:32
  the
• 39:33
  for
• 39:33
  purpose
• 39:33
  sector
• 39:34
  are
• 39:34
  probably
• 39:35
  kind
• 39:35
  of
• 39:35
  like
• 39:36
  that.
• 39:37
  You
• 39:37
  know,
• 39:37
  you
• 39:37
  have
• 39:38
  to
• 39:38
  be,
• 39:38
  you
• 39:38
  have
• 39:38
  to
• 39:38
  be
• 39:39
  ready
• 39:40
  and
• 39:40
  able
• 39:41
  to
• 39:41
  really
• 39:41
  knuckle
• 39:42
  down
• 39:44
  and
• 39:44
  keep
• 39:44
  your
• 39:44
  eye
• 39:46
  very
• 39:47
  firmly
• 39:47
  on
• 39:48
  the
• 39:48
  outcome
• 39:49
  that
• 39:49
  you're
• 39:49
  looking
• 39:50
  for.
• 39:50
  If
• 39:50
  someone
• 39:51
  is
• 39:51
  listening
• 39:51
  to
• 39:51
  this
• 39:52
  and
• 39:52
  thinking,
• 39:52
  you
• 39:53
  know,
• 39:53
  I
• 39:53
  would
• 39:53
  love
• 39:54
  to
• 39:54
  do
• 39:54
  that,
• 39:55
  um,
• 39:55
  I'm
• 39:55
  just
• 39:55
  worried
• 39:56
  about
• 39:56
  the
• 39:57
  realities
• 39:57
  of
• 39:57
  it,
• 39:58
  right?
• 39:58
  You
• 39:58
  know,
• 39:58
  keeping
• 39:59
  the
• 39:59
  lights
• 39:59
  on,
• 39:59
  the
• 40:00
  kids
• 40:00
  fed
• 40:00
  the
• 40:00
  whatever.
• 40:01
  Um,
• 40:02
  if
• 40:02
  they're
• 40:02
  listening
• 40:03
  to
• 40:03
  this
• 40:03
  and
• 40:03
  thinking,
• 40:03
  I
• 40:04
  would,
• 40:04
  I
• 40:04
  would
• 40:04
  love
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  make
• 40:04
  some
• 40:05
  changes
• 40:05
  and
• 40:05
  I
• 40:05
  just
• 40:06
  don't
• 40:06
  know
• 40:06
  where
• 40:06
  to
• 40:06
  start.
• 40:07
  Even
• 40:07
  if
• 40:07
  it's
• 40:07
  not
• 40:07
  now,
• 40:08
  then
• 40:08
  soon.
• 40:09
  Would
• 40:09
  you
• 40:10
  have
• 40:10
  any
• 40:10
  words
• 40:11
  of
• 40:11
  advice
• 40:11
  for
• 40:11
  how
• 40:11
  they
• 40:12
  could
• 40:12
  maybe
• 40:12
  start
• 40:13
  preparing
• 40:14
  some
• 40:14
  of
• 40:15
  those
• 40:15
  life
• 40:15
  realities
• 40:16
  to
• 40:16
  let
• 40:17
  them
• 40:17
  go
• 40:17
  into
• 40:18
  a
• 40:18
  more
• 40:18
  purposeful,
• 40:19
  meaningful
• 40:19
  line
• 40:19
  of
• 40:20
  work?
• 40:20
  Yes.
• 40:20
  Downgrade
• 40:21
  your
• 40:21
  expectations
• 40:22
  would
• 40:22
  be
• 40:23
  the
• 40:23
  first
• 40:23
  one.
• 40:24
  So
• 40:25
  we
• 40:25
  were
• 40:26
  talking
• 40:26
  about
• 40:26
  my
• 40:26
  earlier
• 40:27
  career,
• 40:27
  my
• 40:27
  career
• 40:28
  in
• 40:28
  television.
• 40:29
  That
• 40:30
  television
• 40:31
  back
• 40:31
  then
• 40:32
  was
• 40:32
  quite
• 40:33
  well
• 40:33
  paid,
• 40:34
  not
• 40:34
  CEO
• 40:35
  level
• 40:35
  well
• 40:35
  paid,
• 40:36
  but
• 40:36
  in
• 40:36
  the,
• 40:36
  you
• 40:36
  know,
• 40:38
  early
• 40:38
  six
• 40:39
  figures,
• 40:40
  early
• 40:40
  mid
• 40:41
  six
• 40:41
  figures.
• 40:42
  So
• 40:42
  it
• 40:43
  was,
• 40:43
  you
• 40:43
  know,
• 40:43
  it
• 40:44
  was
• 40:44
  a
• 40:44
  really
• 40:44
  well
• 40:44
  paid
• 40:45
  job.
• 40:46
  My
• 40:47
  pay
• 40:47
  rate
• 40:47
  has
• 40:48
  gone
• 40:48
  down
• 40:48
  as
• 40:49
  halved,
• 40:49
  halved
• 40:50
  again,
• 40:51
  you
• 40:51
  know,
• 40:51
  and
• 40:51
  you
• 40:51
  have
• 40:52
  to
• 40:52
  be
• 40:52
  okay
• 40:52
  with
• 40:52
  that
• 40:53
  because
• 40:54
  nobody's
• 40:54
  paying
• 40:55
  a
• 40:55
  charity
• 40:55
  CEO
• 40:57
  600
• 40:58
  grand,
• 40:58
  right?
• 40:59
  So
• 41:00
  money
• 41:00
  can't
• 41:01
  be
• 41:01
  your
• 41:01
  outcome
• 41:02
  anymore.
• 41:03
  The
• 41:03
  difference
• 41:03
  that
• 41:04
  you
• 41:04
  want
• 41:04
  to
• 41:04
  make
• 41:05
  has
• 41:05
  to
• 41:05
  be
• 41:05
  your
• 41:06
  goal.
• 41:07
  So
• 41:08
  it's
• 41:08
  a
• 41:08
  mindset
• 41:09
  thing.
• 41:09
  It's
• 41:10
  also
• 41:10
  a
• 41:10
  reality.
• 41:11
  I
• 41:12
  would
• 41:12
  advise
• 41:12
  against
• 41:13
  quitting
• 41:14
  your
• 41:16
  reasonably
• 41:16
  well
• 41:17
  paid
• 41:17
  or,
• 41:17
  you
• 41:17
  know,
• 41:18
  your
• 41:18
  job
• 41:19
  and
• 41:21
  throwing
• 41:22
  yourself
• 41:23
  into
• 41:26
  a
• 41:27
  project
• 41:27
  that
• 41:29
  we
• 41:29
  don't
• 41:29
  know
• 41:30
  when
• 41:30
  you'll
• 41:30
  start
• 41:30
  to
• 41:30
  get
• 41:31
  paid.
• 41:31
  Make
• 41:32
  sure
• 41:32
  you
• 41:32
  have
• 41:34
  an
• 41:34
  income
• 41:35
  coming
• 41:35
  in
• 41:35
  from
• 41:36
  somewhere.
• 41:36
  In
• 41:36
  my
• 41:36
  case,
• 41:37
  it
• 41:37
  was
• 41:37
  through
• 41:37
  my
• 41:37
  lovely
• 41:38
  partner.
• 41:40
  Excellent.
• 41:41
  It's
• 41:42
  so
• 41:42
  important,
• 41:42
  isn't
• 41:43
  it,
• 41:43
  who
• 41:43
  you
• 41:43
  partner
• 41:43
  up
• 41:44
  with?
• 41:44
  So
• 41:45
  important.
• 41:46
  If
• 41:46
  you
• 41:46
  can
• 41:46
  both
• 41:47
  help
• 41:47
  each
• 41:47
  other
• 41:47
  level
• 41:48
  up
• 41:48
  to
• 41:48
  your
• 41:48
  best
• 41:49
  life.
• 41:49
  And
• 41:49
  that
• 41:49
  can
• 41:49
  be
• 41:49
  in
• 41:50
  so
• 41:50
  many
• 41:50
  different
• 41:50
  ways.
• 41:51
  It
• 41:51
  can
• 41:51
  be
• 41:51
  in
• 41:51
  energy
• 41:51
  or
• 41:52
  it
• 41:52
  can
• 41:52
  be
• 41:52
  in
• 41:52
  finances
• 41:53
  or
• 41:53
  it
• 41:53
  can
• 41:53
  be
• 41:53
  whatever.
• 41:54
  But
• 41:55
  having
• 41:55
  another
• 41:55
  person
• 41:56
  on
• 41:56
  your
• 41:56
  team
• 41:57
  so
• 41:57
  helpful.
• 41:58
  Actually,
• 41:58
  that's
• 41:58
  the
• 41:58
  other
• 41:59
  thing.
• 41:59
  Make
• 41:59
  sure
• 41:59
  you
• 41:59
  have
• 41:59
  a
• 42:00
  sounding
• 42:00
  board
• 42:01
  when
• 42:01
  you're
• 42:01
  starting
• 42:02
  something
• 42:02
  that
• 42:03
  you
• 42:04
  see
• 42:05
  quite
• 42:05
  distressing
• 42:06
  things
• 42:06
  in
• 42:06
  your
• 42:07
  day
• 42:07
  to
• 42:07
  day,
• 42:08
  make
• 42:08
  sure
• 42:08
  you
• 42:09
  have,
• 42:09
  and
• 42:09
  I'm
• 42:10
  blessed,
• 42:11
  absolutely
• 42:12
  blessed
• 42:12
  in
• 42:12
  this
• 42:13
  regard
• 42:14
  as
• 42:14
  well,
• 42:15
  in
• 42:15
  that
• 42:15
  my
• 42:16
  partner
• 42:16
  is
• 42:18
  an
• 42:18
  amazing
• 42:19
  sounding
• 42:20
  board,
• 42:20
  an
• 42:20
  incredibly
• 42:21
  intelligent,
• 42:22
  talented
• 42:22
  woman
• 42:23
  who
• 42:23
  I
• 42:24
  can
• 42:24
  throw
• 42:25
  a
• 42:25
  question
• 42:25
  at
• 42:26
  about
• 42:26
  almost
• 42:26
  anything
• 42:27
  and
• 42:29
  she
• 42:29
  will
• 42:29
  have
• 42:29
  some
• 42:29
  sage
• 42:30
  advice
• 42:30
  for
• 42:30
  me.
• 42:31
  So
• 42:31
  make
• 42:31
  sure
• 42:32
  you've
• 42:32
  got
• 42:32
  that
• 42:32
  kind
• 42:33
  of
• 42:33
  doesn't
• 42:33
  have
• 42:33
  to
• 42:34
  be
• 42:34
  a
• 42:34
  partner,
• 42:34
  but
• 42:35
  make
• 42:35
  sure
• 42:35
  you've
• 42:35
  got
• 42:35
  that
• 42:35
  in
• 42:36
  your
• 42:36
  life.
• 42:37
  Because
• 42:38
  you
• 42:38
  can't
• 42:38
  know
• 42:38
  everything
• 42:39
  and
• 42:39
  there
• 42:40
  are
• 42:40
  some
• 42:40
  times
• 42:40
  where
• 42:42
  you
• 42:42
  realize
• 42:43
  that
• 42:43
  there's
• 42:43
  something
• 42:44
  really
• 42:44
  important
• 42:44
  that
• 42:45
  you
• 42:45
  don't
• 42:45
  have
• 42:45
  in
• 42:45
  place
• 42:46
  and
• 42:46
  you
• 42:46
  don't
• 42:47
  know
• 42:47
  how
• 42:47
  to
• 42:47
  put
• 42:47
  it
• 42:47
  in
• 42:47
  place.
• 42:48
  So
• 42:48
  you
• 42:48
  need
• 42:48
  to
• 42:48
  be
• 42:49
  able
• 42:49
  to
• 42:51
  know
• 42:51
  who
• 42:51
  to
• 42:51
  go
• 42:51
  and
• 42:51
  ask.
• 42:52
  If
• 42:52
  you
• 42:52
  were
• 42:53
  to
• 42:53
  go
• 42:53
  back
• 42:53
  and
• 42:54
  talk
• 42:54
  to
• 42:54
  yourself
• 42:54
  at
• 42:55
  the
• 42:55
  beginning
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  this,
• 42:55
  the
• 42:56
  you
• 42:56
  three
• 42:56
  years
• 42:56
  ago
• 42:57
  and
• 42:58
  give
• 42:58
  yourself
• 42:59
  a
• 42:59
  bit
• 42:59
  of
• 42:59
  advice
• 43:00
  on
• 43:01
  something
• 43:01
  that
• 43:01
  helped
• 43:02
  make
• 43:02
  this
• 43:03
  reality
• 43:03
  for
• 43:04
  you
• 43:04
  and
• 43:04
  you
• 43:04
  could
• 43:04
  even
• 43:05
  go
• 43:05
  back
• 43:05
  and
• 43:05
  say,
• 43:06
  this
• 43:06
  is
• 43:06
  going
• 43:06
  to
• 43:07
  be
• 43:07
  so
• 43:07
  useful.
• 43:07
  Lean
• 43:08
  into
• 43:08
  it
• 43:08
  sooner,
• 43:08
  lean
• 43:09
  into
• 43:09
  it
• 43:09
  harder,
• 43:09
  whatever.
• 43:11
  What
• 43:11
  would
• 43:11
  be
• 43:12
  that
• 43:12
  thing
• 43:12
  that
• 43:13
  helped
• 43:13
  turn
• 43:13
  this
• 43:13
  into
• 43:14
  a
• 43:14
  reality,
• 43:14
  helped
• 43:15
  make
• 43:15
  it
• 43:15
  actually
• 43:16
  happen?
• 43:17
  I
• 43:17
  didn't
• 43:17
  realize
• 43:18
  that
• 43:18
  most
• 43:19
  of
• 43:19
  my
• 43:21
  work,
• 43:22
  most
• 43:22
  of
• 43:23
  my
• 43:23
  time
• 43:23
  would
• 43:23
  be
• 43:24
  spent
• 43:24
  trying
• 43:24
  to
• 43:25
  raise
• 43:25
  money.
• 43:26
  So
• 43:26
  I
• 43:26
  wish
• 43:27
  I'd
• 43:27
  known
• 43:27
  a
• 43:27
  bit
• 43:27
  more
• 43:28
  about
• 43:29
  the
• 43:29
  fundraising
• 43:30
  landscape.
• 43:32
  In
• 43:32
  fact,
• 43:33
  I
• 43:33
  wish
• 43:33
  I'd
• 43:33
  come
• 43:34
  into
• 43:34
  this
• 43:34
  as
• 43:34
  a
• 43:34
  fundraising
• 43:35
  specialist.
• 43:35
  That
• 43:36
  would
• 43:36
  have
• 43:36
  been
• 43:36
  great.
• 43:37
  Being
• 43:37
  curious,
• 43:38
  having
• 43:39
  an
• 43:39
  open
• 43:39
  mind
• 43:39
  and
• 43:39
  being
• 43:40
  willing
• 43:40
  to
• 43:40
  say,
• 43:42
  if
• 43:42
  you
• 43:42
  ask
• 43:42
  my
• 43:43
  partner,
• 43:43
  she
• 43:44
  will
• 43:44
  tell
• 43:44
  you
• 43:44
  that
• 43:44
  traditionally
• 43:45
  I've
• 43:45
  had
• 43:46
  problems
• 43:46
  with
• 43:46
  this.
• 43:47
  I'm
• 43:47
  trying
• 43:47
  to
• 43:47
  do
• 43:48
  better.
• 43:48
  But
• 43:49
  be
• 43:49
  willing
• 43:49
  to
• 43:49
  say
• 43:50
  I
• 43:50
  don't.
• 43:50
  Know.
• 43:52
  Instead
• 43:53
  of
• 43:53
  just
• 43:53
  make
• 43:53
  something
• 43:54
  up.
• 43:55
  Be
• 43:55
  willing
• 43:55
  to,
• 43:56
  you
• 43:56
  know,
• 43:56
  to
• 43:57
  admit
• 43:57
  that
• 43:57
  you
• 43:57
  don't
• 43:57
  know
• 43:58
  and
• 43:58
  that
• 43:58
  you
• 43:58
  need
• 43:58
  help
• 43:59
  with
• 43:59
  things.
• 43:59
  That's
• 43:59
  really
• 44:00
  something
• 44:00
  I've
• 44:00
  had
• 44:01
  to
• 44:01
  learn.
• 44:01
  Yeah.
• 44:03
  Asking
• 44:03
  for
• 44:04
  help,
• 44:04
  I
• 44:04
  feel
• 44:04
  like
• 44:04
  is
• 44:05
  something
• 44:05
  that
• 44:05
  a
• 44:05
  lot
• 44:05
  of
• 44:06
  high
• 44:06
  achieving
• 44:06
  people
• 44:07
  struggle
• 44:07
  with.
• 44:08
  I
• 44:09
  can
• 44:09
  do
• 44:09
  it,
• 44:09
  I've
• 44:09
  got
• 44:10
  it.
• 44:10
  No,
• 44:10
  maybe
• 44:11
  I
• 44:11
  don't.
• 44:14
  If
• 44:15
  someone
• 44:15
  wants
• 44:15
  to
• 44:16
  keep
• 44:16
  up
• 44:16
  with
• 44:16
  you
• 44:17
  and
• 44:17
  the
• 44:17
  amazing
• 44:18
  work
• 44:18
  you're
• 44:18
  doing
• 44:18
  through
• 44:18
  TCAD
• 44:19
  to
• 44:19
  make
• 44:19
  sure
• 44:19
  that
• 44:19
  they
• 44:20
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• 44:20
  to
• 44:20
  date
• 44:20
  as
• 44:20
  well
• 44:20
  when
• 44:21
  it
• 44:21
  launches.
• 44:22
  Where
• 44:22
  can
• 44:22
  we
• 44:22
  find
• 44:23
  all
• 44:23
  your
• 44:23
  good
• 44:23
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• 44:23
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• 44:24
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• 44:24
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• 44:25
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• 44:26
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• 44:29
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• 44:29
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• 44:29
  a
• 44:29
  lot
• 44:29
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• 44:29
  information
• 44:30
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• 44:30
  survivors
• 44:31
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• 44:31
  for
• 44:31
  people
• 44:32
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• 44:32
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• 44:32
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• 44:32
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• 44:32
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• 44:33
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• 44:33
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• 44:33
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• 44:33
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• 44:34
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• 44:35
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• 44:36
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• 44:38
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• 44:38
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• 44:40
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• 44:40
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• 44:40
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• 44:41
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• 44:41
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• 44:41
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• 44:41
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• 44:41
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• 44:42
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• 44:42
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• 44:43
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• 44:43
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• 44:44
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• 44:44
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• 44:46
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• 44:46
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• 44:47
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• 44:47
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• 44:47
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• 44:47
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• 44:49
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• 44:49
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• 44:50
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• 44:51
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  you,
• 44:52
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• 44:52
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• 44:53
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• 44:54
  If
• 44:54
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• 44:54
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• 44:54
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• 44:55
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• 44:56
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• 44:56
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• 44:56
  be
• 44:56
  feeling,
• 44:57
  because
• 44:58
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• 44:58
  all
• 44:58
  those
• 44:58
  barriers
• 44:59
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• 44:59
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• 44:59
  talked
• 45:00
  about
• 45:00
  right
• 45:00
  at
• 45:00
  the
• 45:01
  beginning,
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• 45:02
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• 45:02
  an
• 45:02
  overwhelming
• 45:03
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• 45:04
  scary
• 45:05
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• 45:05
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• 45:05
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• 45:06
  And
• 45:06
  I
• 45:07
  completely
• 45:08
  understand
• 45:08
  that
• 45:08
  as
• 45:09
  a
• 45:09
  survivor
• 45:09
  myself.
• 45:11
  But
• 45:11
  the
• 45:12
  more
• 45:12
  people
• 45:13
  who
• 45:13
  register,
• 45:14
  the
• 45:14
  better
• 45:15
  the
• 45:15
  information
• 45:16
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• 45:16
  the
• 45:16
  platform
• 45:17
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• 45:17
  using
• 45:18
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• 45:18
  make
• 45:18
  those
• 45:19
  connections.
• 45:20
  The
• 45:20
  more
• 45:21
  likely
• 45:21
  you
• 45:22
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• 45:22
  to
• 45:22
  find
• 45:23
  out
• 45:23
  whether
• 45:24
  other
• 45:24
  people
• 45:24
  have
• 45:24
  been
• 45:25
  harmed
• 45:25
  by
• 45:26
  the
• 45:26
  same
• 45:26
  perpetrator.
• 45:27
  The
• 45:27
  more
• 45:28
  likely
• 45:28
  we
• 45:29
  are
• 45:29
  to
• 45:30
  be
• 45:30
  able
• 45:30
  to
• 45:31
  support
• 45:31
  you
• 45:32
  through
• 45:32
  a
• 45:32
  justice
• 45:33
  process
• 45:33
  of
• 45:34
  your
• 45:34
  choice
• 45:35
  as
• 45:35
  a
• 45:35
  group.
• 45:36
  The
• 45:37
  more
• 45:37
  likely
• 45:37
  that
• 45:37
  perpetrator
• 45:38
  is
• 45:38
  to
• 45:38
  face
• 45:39
  accountability,
• 45:40
  the
• 45:40
  more
• 45:40
  likely
• 45:41
  they
• 45:41
  are
• 45:41
  to
• 45:41
  stop
• 45:42
  what
• 45:42
  they're
• 45:42
  doing,
• 45:43
  stop
• 45:43
  the
• 45:43
  harm
• 45:44
  they're
• 45:44
  creating.
• 45:45
  So
• 45:46
  this
• 45:46
  is
• 45:47
  not
• 45:47
  just
• 45:47
  something.
• 45:49
  If
• 45:49
  you're
• 45:49
  a
• 45:49
  survivor
• 45:50
  listening,
• 45:50
  this
• 45:50
  is
• 45:50
  not
• 45:50
  just
• 45:51
  something
• 45:51
  you
• 45:51
  can
• 45:51
  do
• 45:51
  for
• 45:52
  yourself,
• 45:53
  but
• 45:53
  it's
• 45:54
  something
• 45:54
  you
• 45:54
  can
• 45:55
  do
• 45:55
  for
• 45:56
  other
• 45:56
  people
• 45:57
  as
• 45:58
  well
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  keep
• 45:58
  them
• 45:58
  safe.
• 45:59
  Thank
• 45:59
  you
• 46:00
  so
• 46:00
  much
• 46:00
  for
• 46:00
  sharing
• 46:00
  all
• 46:00
  of
• 46:01
  that
• 46:01
  and
• 46:01
  being
• 46:01
  so
• 46:01
  open
• 46:01
  about
• 46:02
  the
• 46:02
  journey
• 46:02
  it's
• 46:02
  taken
• 46:02
  to
• 46:03
  get
• 46:03
  here.
• 46:03
  Can't
• 46:04
  wait
• 46:04
  to
• 46:04
  see
• 46:04
  the
• 46:04
  lawn.
• 46:04
  Thank
• 46:05
  you
• 46:05
  for
• 46:05
  asking.
• 46:05
  I
• 46:06
  think
• 46:07
  I
• 46:07
  would
• 46:07
  like
• 46:07
  to
• 46:08
  encourage
• 46:08
  more
• 46:08
  people.
• 46:11
  As
• 46:12
  Rutger
• 46:13
  says
• 46:13
  in
• 46:13
  his
• 46:13
  book,
• 46:14
  there
• 46:14
  are
• 46:14
  so
• 46:14
  many
• 46:15
  people
• 46:15
  in
• 46:15
  this
• 46:15
  world
• 46:16
  who
• 46:17
  have
• 46:17
  the
• 46:17
  intelligence
• 46:18
  and
• 46:18
  drive
• 46:20
  to
• 46:21
  make
• 46:21
  a
• 46:22
  difference
• 46:22
  for
• 46:22
  other
• 46:23
  people.
• 46:23
  You
• 46:24
  know,
• 46:24
  that
• 46:25
  moral
• 46:25
  ambition
• 46:26
  rather
• 46:26
  than
• 46:28
  the
• 46:28
  usual
• 46:30
  career
• 46:30
  ladder
• 46:33
  that
• 46:33
  you
• 46:33
  climb,
• 46:34
  that
• 46:34
  may
• 46:34
  get
• 46:35
  you
• 46:37
  to
• 46:37
  a
• 46:37
  very
• 46:37
  high
• 46:37
  pay
• 46:38
  rate,
• 46:38
  but
• 46:39
  doesn't
• 46:39
  feed
• 46:39
  your
• 46:39
  soul.
• 46:41
  I
• 46:41
  would
• 46:42
  really
• 46:42
  encourage
• 46:44
  talented
• 46:44
  people
• 46:45
  to
• 46:45
  look
• 46:46
  at
• 46:46
  a
• 46:46
  different
• 46:47
  pathway
• 46:47
  because
• 46:48
  there
• 46:48
  are
• 46:48
  still
• 46:49
  so
• 46:49
  many
• 46:49
  issues
• 46:50
  in
• 46:50
  this
• 46:50
  world
• 46:50
  that
• 46:51
  need
• 46:51
  to
• 46:51
  be
• 46:51
  solved
• 46:52
  100%.
• 46:53
  Well,
• 46:53
  hopefully
• 46:53
  some
• 46:54
  people
• 46:54
  are
• 46:54
  feeling
• 46:54
  inspired
• 46:55
  after
• 46:55
  this
• 46:55
  conversation.
• 46:55
  I
• 46:56
  certainly
• 46:56
  am.
• 46:56
  Thank
• 46:56
  you
• 46:56
  so
• 46:57
  much.
• 46:57
  Now,
• 46:57
  if
• 46:57
  this
• 46:58
  did
• 46:58
  help
• 46:58
  you,
• 46:58
  then
• 46:59
  of
• 46:59
  course
• 46:59
  send
• 47:00
  it
• 47:00
  on
• 47:00
  to
• 47:00
  a
• 47:00
  friend
• 47:00
  and
• 47:01
  this
• 47:01
  might
• 47:01
  inspire
• 47:01
  them
• 47:02
  too.
• 47:02
  Maybe
• 47:02
  we
• 47:02
  can
• 47:02
  all
• 47:03
  make
• 47:03
  a
• 47:03
  bit
• 47:03
  of
• 47:03
  difference
• 47:03
  together.
• 47:04
  Until
• 47:04
  next
• 47:04
  time,
• 47:05
  have
• 47:05
  a
• 47:05
  great
• 47:05
  day.
• 47:07
  This
• 47:08
  podcast
• 47:08
  can
• 47:08
  only
• 47:08
  give
• 47:09
  you
• 47:09
  general
• 47:09
  information
• 47:10
  about
• 47:10
  how
• 47:10
  things
• 47:11
  work
• 47:11
  in
• 47:11
  most
• 47:12
  situations.
• 47:13
  It's
• 47:13
  not
• 47:13
  individual
• 47:14
  financial
• 47:14
  advice.
• 47:15
  If
• 47:15
  you're
• 47:15
  after
• 47:16
  that,
• 47:16
  a
• 47:16
  financial
• 47:17
  advisor
• 47:17
  is
• 47:17
  always
• 47:18
  the
• 47:18
  best
• 47:18
  bet.