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The Late Debate | 3 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, Welcome the Late Debates. Good evening and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Frey Leach, joined by Holly Hughes and Joe hildurand
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  Speaker 2: filling in for Calebvon and James McPherson. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight on the Late Debate. The Liberals got smashed
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  Speaker 2: at the polls, and now they're split on gender quotas.
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  Speaker 2: Some say they're vital, others say no way. The childcare
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  Speaker 2: industry is in crisis, thousands of abuse cases. Most defenders
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  Speaker 2: are men. Now some are calling for a ban on
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  Speaker 2: male childcare workers. Plus land returns, cash payouts and tax breaks.
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  Speaker 2: The forty four million dollar report that even has its
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  Speaker 2: own authors divided.
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  Speaker 3: Look.
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  Speaker 2: As the Liberal Party licks its wounds after its devastating
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  Speaker 2: election results, a fight has emerged over whether the party
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  Speaker 2: should adopt gender quotas to attract more women. Many moderates
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  Speaker 2: are saying they're a muss, but other more conservative elements
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  Speaker 2: of the party like Angus Taylor, have opposed them. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee is kind of walking a middle ground, saying
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  Speaker 2: she's open to them if that's what the state divisions want.
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  Speaker 2: Jess Collins, who replaced our co host Tonight Holly Hughes
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  Speaker 2: in the Senate the Party members, where she called out
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  Speaker 2: the factional bosses and implored the party not to adopt quotas.
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  Speaker 1: She said, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Tired of factional hacks trying to weaponize the Constitution to
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  Speaker 2: consolidate or hold on to power. We're not going to
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  Speaker 2: find our way out of the wilderness if we can't
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  Speaker 2: change the status quo. If I can help other women
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  Speaker 2: like they have helped me, then I'm confident we can
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  Speaker 2: achieve gender balance with a merit in Parliament, not with quotas.
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  Speaker 1: Now to.
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  Speaker 2: So much, I will just say before we jump into
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  Speaker 2: the debate, to me, I think that's a pretty sensible response.
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  Speaker 2: I think quotas misdiagnosed the problem. It wasn't just women
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  Speaker 2: the demand and the Liberal Party, it was men as well,
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  Speaker 2: all over the country, not just in tail seats in
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  Speaker 2: suburban areas too. And ultimately it's insulting to women to
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  Speaker 2: say they need a quota. Yes, there are problems in
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, but I think they can be solved
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  Speaker 2: without quotas. But before I and Joe have our said,
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  Speaker 2: let's throw it over to our esteem's co host, hollyho.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, Where to start.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I did think I should just maybe read
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  Speaker 5: out some of the text messages I got this morning
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  Speaker 5: when these stories started to break about the please don't
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  Speaker 5: leak leak email.
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  Speaker 4: But the general trend of them all was ba ha
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  Speaker 4: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. But I got it.
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  Speaker 5: Look quite seriously, though, I was quite surprised at the
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  Speaker 5: email that was sent leaked. Clearly it wasn't sent to
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  Speaker 5: me because I understood that Jess ran on a pre
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  Speaker 5: selection pitch of foreign policy, and we've got a situation
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  Speaker 5: at the moment. We've got US tariffs, ourbneezy cant secure
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  Speaker 5: a meeting with Trump, you've got.
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  Speaker 4: The Orcus issue.
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  Speaker 5: As a senator, it's your job to hold the government
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  Speaker 5: to account and talk about policies. So I was surprised
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  Speaker 5: that the email that was sent was dealing with internal
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  Speaker 5: party machinations, not what she intended to do in her
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  Speaker 5: role as a senator. I mean, I can assure you
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  Speaker 5: when I was a senator, I held a number of roles,
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  Speaker 5: set on a number of committees. I was very focused
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  Speaker 5: on the big ticket item of the NDIS and sat
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  Speaker 5: on that committee my full term. I held Climate and
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  Speaker 5: Energy portfolios. I have responsibility for mental health and suicide
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  Speaker 5: prevention and did a lot of work in plenty of
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  Speaker 5: other areas. So look, I do wish jess all the best.
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  Speaker 5: She's got it, I got to say, pretty ordinary. Three
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  Speaker 5: years ahead of her, if not six, it's going to
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  Speaker 5: be a pretty tough place to be. And I hope
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  Speaker 5: that she does understand that as a senator, your job
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  Speaker 5: is to hold the government account to make sure that
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  Speaker 5: you're getting the opposition's message out there and performing in
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  Speaker 5: the media and selling those messages. I mean, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: quite sure where I missed out on that when it
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  Speaker 5: came to merit, because I was pretty much there all
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  Speaker 5: the time. But anyway, look, look, I do wish you
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  Speaker 5: the best. I hope that she understands that it is
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  Speaker 5: more important to deliver for Australians every day than recognize
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  Speaker 5: her so called mentors and talk about internal party mechanations.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just and quite honestly, what also gave
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  Speaker 5: me a bit of a chuckle when a woman knocks
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  Speaker 5: off a sitting female senator in shadow portfolios and then
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  Speaker 5: claims a merit supporting women And I'm supporting women, and look,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to be very interested to see how it
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  Speaker 5: plays out, because Senate is public.
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  Speaker 4: If you're out there selling it in the media and
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  Speaker 4: doing your job properly public. And I think maybe we
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  Speaker 4: can do a comparing contract.
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  Speaker 6: I asked you because when she said, I know this
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  Speaker 6: will just be used by evil factional power brokers, blah
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  Speaker 6: blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, how did she get Jess?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Did Jess get pre selected without any fact honey, without
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  Speaker 6: any factional power brokers.
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  Speaker 5: It's everybody else is a big bad faction. But my
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  Speaker 5: faction isn't a faction. I just got elected because I
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  Speaker 5: was amazing. That's basically what sort of manifested.
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  Speaker 4: And look, you know I've served on our internal state
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  Speaker 4: executive for state for about four eight years, federal for
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  Speaker 4: six or eight or something.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I've done my purgatory on Earth through these
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  Speaker 5: I know you don't stand an email with please don't
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  Speaker 5: leak this. I mean, that's just like flagging a red
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  Speaker 5: rag to a bull. And I think perhaps.
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  Speaker 4: There's a bit of an experience here and how party
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  Speaker 4: actually works.
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  Speaker 2: Going back to sort of the call claim she makes
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  Speaker 2: in this email around, well, she mentions the sort of
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  Speaker 2: party reform process that New South Wales division is going
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  Speaker 2: to but particularly the quota's debate that has really exploded.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you stand on quotas?
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  Speaker 4: So I've never been a fan of quotas ever.
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  Speaker 5: Ever, Ever, I'm very much in the amount of Vanstone
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  Speaker 5: Camp and maybe Jess is part of supporting this, that
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  Speaker 5: we're starting to reach equality when we've got as many
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  Speaker 5: mediocre women as maybe open me. But you know, I
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  Speaker 5: think what I do see the difference is is that
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  Speaker 5: for women to go into portfolio responsibilities, whether it's a
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  Speaker 5: shadow or in government, they tend to have to be exceptional.
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  Speaker 5: Not all of the men who get promoted would I say,
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  Speaker 5: of an exceptional quality. So perhaps a more level playing
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  Speaker 5: field on ability and that favorite of favorite words merit
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  Speaker 5: with it could be applied, maybe a little less of
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  Speaker 5: the boys club, which certainly exists. And look, I'm hoping
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  Speaker 5: now with Susan Leer's leader, we could have gone down
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  Speaker 5: a track of perpetuating that boys club, the monkey pod
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  Speaker 5: club as it's known, would have continued on. Now the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party's got to change to a chance to look
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  Speaker 5: at itself. So no one wants to talk to the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party at the moment. No one wants to hear
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  Speaker 5: about anything. They've got three years to actually try and
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  Speaker 5: get some policies and get some people out there selling them,
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  Speaker 5: and that's what's got to be done.
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  Speaker 3: My position, I think, is that.
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  Speaker 6: A party that needs quotas is too far gone for
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  Speaker 6: quotas to save it.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 6: If you cannot actually set up an environment and a
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  Speaker 6: structure where women or whoever it is is you're trying
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  Speaker 6: to get are encouraged to participate and get a fair crack,
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  Speaker 6: then you're all ready to see.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I don't understand too, And I should
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  Speaker 2: have a disclaimer here. I am a member of the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party. I stood as a candidate in the state
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  Speaker 2: electorate of Balmaine. My husband is very involved in the
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  Speaker 2: Young Liberal movement, and I personally have never experienced anything
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  Speaker 2: but the utmost support from men and women in the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party. And so when people go on and on
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  Speaker 2: about how we need more women, I totally agree. But
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  Speaker 2: I think the problem is they're not joining the party
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  Speaker 2: in the first place, and then they don't want to
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  Speaker 2: put their hands up as candidates. So even if you
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  Speaker 2: had these quotas, you wouldn't necessarily have the willing people
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  Speaker 2: to fill them.
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  Speaker 3: The luck of the quota is not the problem. It's
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  Speaker 3: the policy, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly it is diagnoses the problem.
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  Speaker 5: But it's also the pre selection process because you know,
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  Speaker 5: they've now got this obsession like pleversites with every member.
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  Speaker 5: The members quite frankly, are not reflective of the communities.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of these people, they're wonderful people. They volunteer
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  Speaker 5: their time that don't necessarily reflect the communities they're seeking
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  Speaker 5: to represent. But these to stand as a candidate, you've
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  Speaker 5: got to go to every cocktail party and go to
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  Speaker 5: every women's council meeting. You've got to go to every
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  Speaker 5: branch meeting, every conference meeting, turn up at every state council.
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  Speaker 3: You knows are too smart to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, if you've got a family and it's
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's very difficult. The Liberal Party holds its
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  Speaker 5: women's council meetings in the middle of the day on
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  Speaker 5: a Wednesday once a month.
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  Speaker 4: Now, professional women don't have.
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  Speaker 5: The time to go to a meeting in the middle
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  Speaker 5: of a day on a Wednesday. But the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 5: can't get out of its own way to move away
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  Speaker 5: from that. I mean, they've hadded some night meetings and stuff,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not really what it's about. So it hasn't
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  Speaker 5: moved with the times, it hasn't moved with modern women,
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  Speaker 5: and you know they're going to pay the price.
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  Speaker 2: For Yeah, many issues to dissect there, But on this show,
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  Speaker 2: even this week, we've spoken a fair bit about the
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  Speaker 2: impact AI is going to have on many aspects for life,
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  Speaker 2: but particularly people's jobs. Now, we've on this panel talked
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  Speaker 2: about how this could be the bigginning of mass unemployment
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  Speaker 2: as AI gradually replaces humans. And today we've received more
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  Speaker 2: confirmation that this shift is well and truly underway. Microsoft
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  Speaker 2: is laying off nine thousand people, or four percent of
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  Speaker 2: its entire workforce, and replacing those workers with AI. Microsoft
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  Speaker 2: CEO has said that already more than thirty percent of
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  Speaker 2: their code is now being written by AI. Now, the concern,
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  Speaker 2: Joe is a lot of the entry level engineering positions,
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  Speaker 2: even now mid level engineers. It can all be replaced
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  Speaker 2: by AI. And what are these nine thousand people going
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  Speaker 2: to do. I have no doubt they themselves can find
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  Speaker 2: other jobs. But if this is replicated at a mass scale,
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  Speaker 2: it spells a lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Does Yeah, it absolutely does.
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  Speaker 6: And again, as we've talked about You know, we're encouraging
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  Speaker 6: people say get into STEM and then hang on a minute,
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  Speaker 6: that's actually pathway to oblivion because science, technology, engineering and
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  Speaker 6: mass is that why thing that machines can do better
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  Speaker 6: than people. So they still do STEM. Kids, stay in school,
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  Speaker 6: don't do drugs, go to union everything. No, I'll tell
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  Speaker 6: you what that should do. They should all become plumbers.
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  Speaker 6: They should all become plumbers because I am desperate.
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  Speaker 3: We are desperate. We have a just.
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  Speaker 6: A plumbing apocalypse at our house, and it is just
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  Speaker 6: so hard to find. There's such a skill shortage, such
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  Speaker 6: a trade schoage. AI still can't get under the sink
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  Speaker 6: and put its rubber gloves on, and you know, and.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely in those blue collar trades, absolute trade side, you're
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  Speaker 5: going to want to encourage kids to start looking at
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  Speaker 5: those more career path and one that's going to have
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  Speaker 5: more security because as you say, you know, AI is
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  Speaker 5: not going to be getting underneath the sink or getting
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  Speaker 5: its arm down the system in the toilet.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, there's so.
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  Speaker 5: Many careers that are going to be in jeopardy here,
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  Speaker 5: like PR. You know, and I'm sorry to all my
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  Speaker 5: friends in public relations, but you know, communications, the writing
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  Speaker 5: of documents and putting together things, particularly on high profile
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  Speaker 5: people or high profile issues. AI does a sensational.
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  Speaker 4: Job of it, and very quickly now.
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  Speaker 5: But it's always easier to start with I mean, having
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  Speaker 5: worked in this, it's always easier to start with something
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  Speaker 5: on the paper rather than a blank piece of paper.
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  Speaker 5: And this is just another step and it will continue
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  Speaker 5: to evolve. I'm not saying everyone's going to go, but
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  Speaker 5: it'll be the volume of jobs.
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  Speaker 6: Now. Do you know the interesting thing that AI. It
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  Speaker 6: can write things if they are very straightforward and banal
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  Speaker 6: and predictable. What it can't do is tell jokes. So
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  Speaker 6: AI still can't tell Joe. And so there are things
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  Speaker 6: that make us human that computed. I'm not saying they'll
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  Speaker 6: never be able to do it, but.
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  Speaker 5: Are we allowed to tell jokes anymore? Doesn't nature haul
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  Speaker 5: you in?
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  Speaker 3: But this is what I think will actually happen.
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  Speaker 6: I think that AI will force people to be more creative,
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  Speaker 6: to think outside the box, to be able to think
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  Speaker 6: more laterally. You know, I see the things that AI
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  Speaker 6: comes up with, and this m's out a bit waanky whatever,
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  Speaker 6: But you see something written by AI and as a
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  Speaker 6: as a writer. It kind of makes you sick because
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  Speaker 6: it is so incredibly banal, cliched, and it's well.
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  Speaker 2: It's not creative at all. That's the thing I mean
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  Speaker 2: with generative AI. It can it is remarkably good at
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  Speaker 2: creating things like songs, even artworks. It can do pretty well,
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  Speaker 2: but it's always looking at what is already in the
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  Speaker 2: public domain and then digesting that that element of human
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  Speaker 2: inspiration and creativity that is so exciting. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it can replicate, but it is interesting. Labor has a
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  Speaker 2: target they want to see fifty five percent of Australians
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  Speaker 2: attain a university degree, and when you look at that,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense given the fact that all the
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  Speaker 2: skill shortages are in blue collar jobs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a couple of things.
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  Speaker 6: I think obviously wants everyone to finish high school and
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  Speaker 6: Jason Clair is really really.
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  Speaker 3: Big on that.
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  Speaker 6: But the shift is actually their focus is actually shifting
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  Speaker 6: away from and focusing towards tape and trying to get
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  Speaker 6: as many people in the tape system as possible and
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  Speaker 6: start to reprioritize blue collar jobs, which is good for
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  Speaker 6: the Labor Party because the Labor Party should be a
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  Speaker 6: blue collar party, not a white collar party. And and
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  Speaker 6: also that is I mean, I'm only half joking. That
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  Speaker 6: is where I mean. We've we've got literally tens of
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  Speaker 6: thousands of work dollars of work worth of work that
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  Speaker 6: needs to be done, and we are struggling to find
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  Speaker 6: a plumber and a tyler and an electric and all
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  Speaker 6: that stuff because they are just in such high demand
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  Speaker 6: and so so, and I think we need to not
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  Speaker 6: de stignize. That's probably the wrong word, but I think
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  Speaker 6: they you know, over the last couple.
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  Speaker 3: Of decades, there was this sort of expectation.
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  Speaker 6: That, you know, a successful student goes to university, and
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  Speaker 6: that's just not true and it shouldn't be true, and
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  Speaker 6: we should be giving trade is as much respect and
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  Speaker 6: as much cuteos and as much sort of status in
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  Speaker 6: our society and in the you know, their proud their
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  Speaker 6: proud parents heart, as as any other.
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  Speaker 1: Profession Totally agree.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the last week we've seen some shocking headlines around
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  Speaker 2: the country and it's fair to say that the childcare industry.
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  Speaker 1: Is in crisis.
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  Speaker 2: In New South Wales, there have been nearly two thousand
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  Speaker 2: investigations into physical and sexual abuse cases at childcare centers
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  Speaker 2: since twenty twenty. That's two thousand investigations in just five years.
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  Speaker 2: That is roughly a new investigation every single day just
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  Speaker 2: in New South Wales. Now, of the abuses in the
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  Speaker 2: last year, just two of them were not men. Men
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  Speaker 2: account for ninety eight percent of child sex offenders. Now
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  Speaker 2: you look at those statistics, you look at the horrific
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  Speaker 2: abuse that has led to some people calling for men
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  Speaker 2: or men to be banned from working in childcare centers.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Clair was asked about this today.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think that's going to be the solution here,
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  Speaker 7: and the former Deputy Ombudsman brief education ministers on Friday.
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  Speaker 7: That's where CCTV reforms coming from. That's where increasing penalties
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  Speaker 7: and more information for parents is coming from. We've got
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  Speaker 7: to bring all of these recommendations together. That's happening now.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Holly, I understand the concern.
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  Speaker 2: I understand you look at that it is a fact
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  Speaker 2: that most child sex offenders are male. But the reality
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  Speaker 2: is that predators will go to places where they think
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  Speaker 2: they have access to victims, and currently they're going to
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  Speaker 2: childcare centers. Now, I think that would suggest that there
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  Speaker 2: needs to be better oversight, better policing, better background checks.
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  Speaker 2: But it seems really unfair to paint all men with
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  Speaker 2: this brush that somehow they might be predators.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Look, it's a really unfortunate thing that people are calling
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  Speaker 5: for that, and I don't think that's a really fair
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  Speaker 5: thing at all.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, not childcare but teaching.
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  Speaker 5: You know a lot of my kids the teachers that
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  Speaker 5: were my favorite of my kids with my teachers, and particularly.
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  Speaker 4: For the boys.
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  Speaker 5: We should have more male teachers, absolutely we should. But
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  Speaker 5: I think what's really interesting about this is this is
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  Speaker 5: one of the problems of federalism. All the states hold
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  Speaker 5: on to their working with children checks, their police records
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  Speaker 5: and all their own information. There's very little sharing between
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  Speaker 5: the states, so it's not that hard for predators to
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  Speaker 5: move from one state to another without being caught. And
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  Speaker 5: I did notice that Courtney Whosos, the new South Wales
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  Speaker 5: finance minister in the Men's government, has called for a
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  Speaker 5: national register. And I think for parents there should be
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  Speaker 5: a national register not only of the ease of the
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  Speaker 5: access of bangranted working for children checks if there are
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  Speaker 5: any issues nationally we know, but also for all of
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  Speaker 5: these centers that have got investigations and particularly that have
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  Speaker 5: found that there has been wrongdoing.
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  Speaker 4: Occurring that parents have oversight of that.
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  Speaker 5: Now you know, obviously there would be changes within those centers.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: I'm sure most of them will be horrified that this happened.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: But parents should have the right to know that these
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: sorts of things were taking place and understand what steps,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: stages and steps are being put in place to mitigate them.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: But even basic things like CCTV cameras shouldn't that be mandatory.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got these extremely vulnerable kids. They often
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: they're so young they can't advocate for themselves or speak
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: up or report abuse.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: It just seems like they're basic things that aren't being done.
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if CCTV cameras are necessarily the answer.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: I think the question is better screening, making sure that
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: candidates for jobs check out. So to give you an idea,
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: and this is actually banning men could make the problem
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: even worse, ironically, but so, yes, there's undeniable that men
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: are the vast majority almost all of sexual abuses, both
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: child sex abuses and adult as well. But you know
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: they're all men, and there's obviously some kind of weird
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: biological sort of reason for that that doesn't mean just
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: because most abuses of men doesn't mean that most men
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: are abuses. It is still a tiny, tiny, tiny minority,
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: and it is also a tiny minority with a very
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: high level of recidivism. So you don't just commit one
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: element one active abuse and think, oh, that's it, I'm.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Never going to do it again.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: And this is where all people get this wrong about
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: things like domestic violens and raps. Hey, men, just stop
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: doing that, just stop doing it. Well, most men aren't
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: doing it at all, and the ones who need to
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: be told aren't listening. So and you've also got a
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: sector which is crying out. Almost all childcare workers are
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: women anyway, like the vast, vast, vast majority, and it's understaff.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: It's desperately looking for new staff all the time.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: And that may be why not all the.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: References are always checked out or the background checks aren't
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: always carried out, because they desperately need that so much.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: So you need to do that all properly.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: Courtney Hussos is very very smart, and that is an
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: absolute no brainer. So you actually need to sort of
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: attack the specific problem, which is how predators getting in,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: rather than just say.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know this is still a tiny minority.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: These these are incredibly.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Rare events and as horrible and shocking as they are,
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: and they're shocking because they are rare.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: The idea is to say, right, who did this? A man?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: All right, we're going to ban all man? That is bonkers.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're also not that rare.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: One investigation every day, two thousand incidences in five years.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: It's shockingly common in.
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: Fact, of course, but that's out of you know, hundreds
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of kids
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: who are in there. Again, these are just incidents being investigated,
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: you know, they're not of the level of seriousness that
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: happened there. But again, I mean we know that at
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: the place where this horrible monster was working, there had
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: been a previous complaint that actually never never got adequately
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: followed up. So again the little things weren't being done
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: properly along the way exactly.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's a system that definitely needs reform.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: After four years and forty four million dollars, Victorian government's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: URUK Justice Commission has delivered its report, which contains one
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: hundred recommendations. Some are so controversial that three of the
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: five commissioners who authored the report.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Didn't even want to endorse it.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Some of the most controversial include offering compensation essentially reparations
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: for past colonial wrongs by returning land, providing monetary compensation,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: tax relief, and other financial benefits, while also giving Indigenous
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: people a share in natural resource revenue. Others are implementing
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: quotas for Indigenous people on boards. Others include renaming significant
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Victorian sites with Indigenous place names, or how about Victorian
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: universities should recognize and compensate Aboriginal staff for the additional.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Colonial load that they bear.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Just since Allen has not ruled adopting any of those recommendations,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: so they're all up for grabs at the moment. And
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: even the Indigenous community is divided over the report. Some
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: are saying it's going to send the state broke. I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: can see how that might happen, while others are saying
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: it's the reckoning the state needs.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: But I would say when three of the.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Five authors of the report don't even want to stand
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: by the report, you know it's absurd. And I think
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: unfortunately when people overreach like this, it actually does more
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: damage to the Indigenous community because it creates the impression
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that they've been hijacked by activists and it's this radical
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: political move.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Which it is.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: It's not about genuine reconciliation.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Exactly what has happened.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: And let me tell you, in the Senate and anywhere else,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: whether you're in the judicial system, if the minority have
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: a view, that would then be called the dissenting report,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: and the majority view would be the actual report. So
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: the fact in Victoria that's all upside down and the
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: other way around is just so Victoria.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, Victoria is in such a bad way.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, they could barely keep energy going, the costs
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: of the taxes that they're imposing, the lack of property
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: rights that they're trying to put into place, this is.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Just this constant barrage.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Codots to all of you still
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: living in Victoria, I mean you hanging in there. I
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: know there's some great restaurants, but I've got to wonder
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: what else you're doing down there, because investment is going
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: to absolutely flat out of this state at a rapid
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: notes if they if they take on this, because it
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: will send the state broke, it will cause more division
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: within the within the population. An investment as I said, Will,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: just why would you go there, like when they're going
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: to tax you for ridiculous things that you had nothing
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: to do with, let alone foreign investment who had zero
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: to do with it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is just insanity on Ster.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And look, Joe.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Some of the recommendations in the report were things like
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: essentially treating Aboriginal Australians as their own individual like hundreds
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: of little nations with their own legal and political systems,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Separate rules for Indigenous kids in schools so you can't
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: expel or suspend them the same way you can to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: non indigenous kids. My dad grew up in apartheid South
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Africa and you look at some of those recommendations and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: it is honestly reminiscent of the kind of differential racial
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: treatment you do see in some apartheid contexts. It is
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: not Australian. It's fundamentally UnAustralian.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: Look, there's already a huge amount of Indigenous respect and
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: study built into public school curriculums. And you know, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: know from my kid's own schooling, it is without a
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: doubt the most significant sort of touch time at the
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: beginning of every sort of assembly or event or whatever.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: So that is there.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: So that is a chart, and that's just fine, that's good.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: But I think the question what is this trying to achieve?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: That is the question. So these are these measures?
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Are they supposed to punish the Victorian government for past wrongs?
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Are they supposed to you know, you know, is it
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: the reckoning they need? So it's a form of punishment,
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: it's like a fine that they have to pay for
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: things they've done previously. Or is it to actually close
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: the gap and to make sure the most disadvantaged Indigenous
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: communities are no longer dying ten years earlier than non
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: indigenous communities, because that to me would seem like a
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: more worthwhile priority. And I'm not sure how you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: putting an extra you know, payload on indigenous academics.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: We see these, we see it all the time.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: The money never gets to the communities that they need,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: It never gets on the ground.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: Matters the problem because you have a debate that is
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: overwhelmingly led by you know, sort of urban elites, like
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: in every other walk of life, urban elites who are
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: doing quite well. They're already at the UNI diversities, they're
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: already on a pretty good wicket and good on them,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: and so they should be, but these are that is
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: not the priority for someone who is, you know, in
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: a camp outside Alice Springs or in Wipana where they're
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: suffering domestic violence rates that are maybe stain time text elbow.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Later tonight in the Senate last term, we tried to
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: get up and Lydia thought there's a name.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: He didn't think I'd be saying I voted with.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: But Lydia and I were in support of each other,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: with Drinda Cox and just Enterprise trying to get an
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: investigation into a number of these Aboriginal bodies and where
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: the money was going and how it was being spent
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: and how it was being distributed, and it was blocked
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: at every turn by Labor, the Greens, Pocock and.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: I have to go back Jacks.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but I think Lambi went
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: with them as well. But you know, it was absolutely
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: disgraceful that there was no investigation allowed into a number
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: of these land corporations and bodies, that they were sacking
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: CEOs every five minutes because behavior, and then we weren't
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: allowed to have any.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And if more money was the answer, I think we
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: would have solved.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: The problem going to be fixed finance.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Because clearly there's more going on here than just money. Well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: while the Victorian state government is spending millions perpetuating cultural
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: self loathing, its economy is struggling. Surprise, surprise, The Victorian
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: property sector has recorded the lowest confidence in the country,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: with property developers citing the state's prohibitive taxes. Now, Melbourne
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: is going to be the size of New York by
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: twenty to fifty and the city is simply not going
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to be able to cope if it cannot build the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: housing and the infrastructure. And it seems pretty clear tax
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: after tax, Victorians have the highest property taxes in the country.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: They're simply not going to be able to build the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: homes required for all the migrants Labour's going to bring in.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: I literally just my first ever inheritance. I just inherited
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: a house in Victoria which I'm going to use to
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: replace the future of legacy media. And yeah, and so
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: you've I've got a bit of skin in the game
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: and you sort of look at it. And my family,
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: of course, you know, bought houses in all the worst
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: possible suburbs, you know, like well houses, there's one so
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: I've got my mom my, mum's a day. It doesn't
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: even have a functioning toilet, and then we've got another
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: house of philiphlah blahlah blah.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: But anyway, but you do you just look at.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: You look at kind of what's happening in Victoria, And
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: so I started thinking, oh, you know what a property
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: prices of birth blah blah blah, and it is just
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: an apocalyptic wasteland.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: It is like it is common the.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Size of New York. By twenty fifty, people may be
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: vacating the space.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: But I mean, we're just talking about don't have a
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: situation where you've got every single indigenous nation and hundreds
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: of them in Victoria are now going to have a
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: say about what you can do on that block of
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: land or what you can do here.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Why would you build?
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Like why would you because you don't know what crazy
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: thing just into Allen's going to come up with it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know if it's even that, but just
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: like the idea that you would be like Victoria is
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: a state that absolutely bankrupt, is broke. It cannot even
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: afford to put on the Commonwealth Games. It's unbelievable, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: they're they're killing their own property, and they're killing that
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: goes that lay the golden egg by jacking up all
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: those land taxes and having all these crackdowns on rentals
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: and stuff like that. And then what do they do
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: to say, oh, let's have a debate about you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: true reparations, stuff that happened a century A guy that
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: just off the reason exactly.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And if they also rename all of Victoria with indigenous
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: place names, it's not going to be a very fun
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: place to live because you won't be able to get
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: around or know where you are. But another interesting thing
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that's going on at the moment is weight loss drugs
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: may soon be available through the PBS. The pharmaceutical industry
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: is waiting with baited breadth as the PBS Advisory Committee
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: considers whether or not to make weight loss drugs like
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: ozen pic and Wegovi available.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Through the PBS.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Currently, there are no weight loss drugs available or subsidized.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But obesity does cost Australia around twelve billion dollars a
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: year just in direct costs and many more billions in
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: indirect costs. Sixty five percent of Australian adults and twenty
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: six percent of children are either overweight or obese. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: when you consider the cost of that, While it would
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: be another expense to taxpayers to list these drugs on
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the PBS, I mean the cost of obesity to our
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: country already all right billions every year, I personally in
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: favor of it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Look, if you go on one of these weight loss drugs,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: it's between four and five hundred dollars a month. So
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: you know, when you're looking at people that are in
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: you know where most obesity is occurring, these aren't people
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: who are generally going to have that sort of disposable
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: income per month. And it I think at a certain
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: point within the ob city there should be access through
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: the PBS. I wouldn't be holding my breath for the
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: fast action of feedback, but hopefully it is going to
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: move through one of their meetings. But you know, it
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: is a long I think it is a longer term
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: cost saving. I think it is something that we should
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: be encouraging. But it does also need to be coupled
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: with the forever favorite diet and exercise.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: It's such a kill draw.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Even if you're injecting yourself once a week, but the meal,
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: the one meal or two meals a day you have
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: a big mac and then a kfsa baker, you're not
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: really going to be helping yourself along too much. So
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: it is going to have to be in conjunction with
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: both dietary and exercise. But for a lot of people,
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: they've got to get that first ten kilos off before
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: they can really start to see the exercise sticking in.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: And I think it's important.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: And it's also for women with PCOS, so women who
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which can have weight as a
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: as a part of that. It's a hormonal thing, So
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: it shouldn't just be diabetes and obesity at a certain
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: point for different you know, all sorts of issues.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: There are things like PCOS that can cause issue.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: And I to say, as the only person on this panel,
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure who actually just had a box of
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: KFC chicken for dinner. I think it's absolutely fantastic. I
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: don't you know, for some reason, I don't seem to
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: put on weight, but I guarantee, now, my god, do
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: you really hit five years later, I'm going to be
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: sitting there with a giant saying sid kids, But no,
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: I think I'm absolutely all for it. You are absolutely
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: right that obasically, like all other health problems, is something
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: that disproportionately affects poor people because they can't afford all
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: the more expensive fresh food and everything, and because they're
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: more usually more time for and they're struggling.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: To juggle everything.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: And you know, we all know that flashy inner city
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: rich elite bankers get to read all the magazines and
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: go to their you know, organic whole food shops and
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: order their soy lattes or whatever whatever whatever. So the
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: real people, the real punters, they do need this and
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: not only will say the taxpayer money, but it will
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: be better for the economy because they'll be more productive,
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: there'll be more fit, they'll be able to contribute more work.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: But not great for fast food chains, but better for
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the rest of it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: Again, just fine, I promise I will personally make sure
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: that KFC survives this terrible epidemic.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: They'll be thanking you, Joe. Look, the Holocaust memorial in Ottawa,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Canada was vandalized with the words feed me, a reference
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: to claims of starvation in Gaza, and the identity of
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the accused vandal has been revealed as an overpaid middle
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: aged lawyer for the local Ottawa City council. Look, Joe,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: they say, don't judge a book by its cover, but
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes there's a reason we judge.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, even if even if this incident had never happened,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: you just look at that guy and think, I bet
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: he's defaced a Holocaust memorial.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: So it is just so like, it is just so great.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Like these stupid, smug, dull eyed activists, like these ideologues,
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: they're just look in their eyes, honestly, they're.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Like shark's eyes. They're dead because they are so.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: Obsessed with and you see it when you talk to
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: look full on card carrying comedies. They're just so obsessed
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: by the cause of soon.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: I don't hang out with many.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: From a distance.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: I went to Melbourn Unity, so I met a few,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: but there's just like they are just programmed to you know.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: And this is where this is where you get.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: This is why ideologies like you know, communism, Stalinism, Nazism
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: are so deadly, because once you get fully indoctrinated, you look,
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: it's the ideology is all that matters, and you will
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: kill anyone that stands in your way without a second
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: thought because their lives don't matter.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: All that matters is the cause.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: And that is the same for extremists on the left
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: as it is for extremists on the right.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And you can tell that this.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: Guy doesn't care about human beings because the worst time
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: that that was ever done during the Holocaust is something
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: he has decided to make a piss sweet little joke about.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: You want Holocaust victims when they found them in the
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: few survivors in the concentration camps, here's a dark joke
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: for you. They couldn't feed them. They were so starved.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: The stomach act they actually keep food down. That's how
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: that's so so starving that you cannot eat. And that's
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: what this douchebag has decided to make a joke about.
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  Speaker 2: And there's something also here, holly about it seems to
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: be that these radical activists always end up in university
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  Speaker 2: administration bureaucracies or local councils. I don't know what it
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: is how these activists are always drawn to, I guess,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: institutions where there is no accountability.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Maybe the guys he works for the council, he's a lawyer.
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  Speaker 4: That looks all the boxes that hair I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, as it wake out, is he blond and died
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: at pink at the top or did he do it all?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that is just that is a crime.
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  Speaker 6: That's how you do That's how you tell people that
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  Speaker 6: you're right on. That's how you tell people you're really
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  Speaker 6: left wing.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look house right, yes, because that's for us.
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  Speaker 3: To talk. That would even worse.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's very very disturbing.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go over ten years ago, Malaysian
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  Speaker 2: Airlines flight MH seventeen was shut down by pro Russian separatists,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: killing all two hundred and ninety eight people on board,
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  Speaker 2: including thirty eight Australians. Now, the international body that governs
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  Speaker 2: airlines basically said that Russia was at fault because they
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  Speaker 2: used the Russian weapon et cetera, et cetera, And despite
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Russia being ordered to pay full reparations to the families,
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  Speaker 2: Russia has not given a single cent to any of
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the victims affected. Over ten years later, really they end
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  Speaker 2: up with very little, and you look at the list
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  Speaker 2: of victims and it's truly sad.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: So just quickly on that. I mean, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't expect anything more from Russia, I guess, but you
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: think about the families, like whole families were wiped out.
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  Speaker 1: It was a tragedy.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: If I remember what it happened to, there was a
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: I think it was a grandmother and grandfather with their
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: grandkids and they were flying to make the parents and
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: they were all killed.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: And it was incredibly tragic.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: But unfortunately, we saw the way that Russia responded to it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: We saw that their denials that they.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Put in place, their refusal to participate in the international
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: court that was looking into it. They've ignored now that
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: they should be paying reparations, and I think that's just
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: what we're going to expect.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: So sad well.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Coming up in the papers after the break, we have
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: bombshell tags from a leaked Liberal Pinty group chat and
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: academic urges Iran.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: To develop nuclear weapons to deter Israel.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Find out more after the break. Now to a breaking
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: story that will make plenty of headlines around the world tomorrow.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Liverpool footballer Diogo Jotta has died in a car crash.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Pictures of the car crash scene in northern Spain are
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: just coming in. The twenty eight year old was driving
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: with his brother when his Lamborghini left the highway and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: caught fire. Early reports indicate that a tire blue while
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: he was overtaking another car. Both men died tragically. Yota
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: was only married last week. He and his wife have
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: three children together. Last season, Yota was part of the
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Liverpool team that won the Premier League. He's also a
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Portuguese national. British Prime Minister Sekis Sama paid tribute earlier today.
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  Speaker 8: This is devastating news and I'm sure I speak for
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: everyone in saying our first thoughts are going to be
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: with his family and his friends. In particular, there are
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: millions of Liverpool fans, but also football fans are non
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: fans who will also be shocked by this.
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  Speaker 2: Very very sad news. Well, let's move on to the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: papers now, Holly kick us off.
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  Speaker 5: Look, you know, I feel like there's a bit of
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: a theme happening tonight at the front page of the
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: pellagraph WA New South Wales Liberals where a girl your
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: son brought home. You'd have Mark Connaine's number on spadar.
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  Speaker 4: This is seriously so late.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Chat show lives in open warfare over quotas no text bomb.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Explosive leaked WhatsApp messages from a Liberal party chat group
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  Speaker 5: have revealed senior party members are in open warfare over
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: a push for gender quotas, with former female Vice president
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: Tina McQueen declaring ffs, no one struggling to pay the
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: bills cares one bit about quota.
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  Speaker 3: Where's the lie? Where's the law on a.
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party Quotas versus merit group erupted after a meeting
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  Speaker 5: of the party's new South Wales Women's Council on Wednesday night,
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  Speaker 5: which had discussed a proposal to boost female representation in
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Parliament by creating gender quotas with enforcible expiry dates Tina.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Anyone that knows Tina mcqueid knows that's exactly what she
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: would have said. And Tina has never made backwards in
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: coming forwards and how she feels about these things. And
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: I'm going to say Tina is one hundred percent spot
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: on everyone out there in the electorate that's struggling to
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: pay their power bill, put groceries on the table and
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: keep the lights on. They are not worried about gender
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: quotas in the Liberal Party. And it is absolutely obscene
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: that if the Liberal Party wants to tear itself apart
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: for the next three years talking about how many women,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: which women, what women are well that's not really a
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  Speaker 5: woman because it's not a woman from my faction. This
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: is the rubbish that will see the Liberal Party in
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: opposition for a very very long time.
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  Speaker 3: Very well, said Holly.
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  Speaker 6: And just because you took Tina's side, I'm going to
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: take Charlotte Mortlocke's side because she's an old friend.
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  Speaker 4: I love her, and you're the contrarian.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: I another contrarian. But she has been doing lots of whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It's quite hat.
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  Speaker 5: Why would you get yourself from one of these WhatsApp
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: group chats like, you know, hey liberals guys, any of
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: you if you've got if you're on a group Liberal
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Party WhatsApp group, either don't say anything stupid or get
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: off it now, because one thing I can guarantee you
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: in the Liberal Party is it will be leaked at
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: some point.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: And if you say.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Something stupid, even if you think it's with your factional buddies,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: that's not really a faction. Remember someone's screenshotting them and
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: keeping for them when they don't like it, So just
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: get off them and stop doing it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Or is it possible that the person wanted the comments
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: to be leaked the christ mister, Yeah, absolutely, anyone, any
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  Speaker 6: politician on WhatsApp chat knows that you know everything there
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  Speaker 6: is potentially well clearly not potentially ending up on the
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  Speaker 6: front page of the Daily Telegraph, and God love them
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: for it. It's fantastic. Let's go now to a real
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: news story. Townsville bulletin. Locals under siege as pigs go hogwile. Yes,
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: it's the bore war. Get it because it's like all
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: those farmers in South Africa that the British shot away
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: residents are begging for an end to nighttime raids from
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: tusk pests after constant visits from herds of feral hogs.
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  Speaker 3: I did not say anything.
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  Speaker 6: Pigs are emerging from the former Queensland nickel refinery site.
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  Speaker 6: That's not clives, is it? According to local Total causation
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: is not correlation. Total Townsville Council says peak populations have
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: boomed on the back of a large wet season. I
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: went pigging once, pig hunting, and it was well, we
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: didn't actually catch a pig, but we tried.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: But it's full on.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: It's quite the thing.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: And the dogs, quite substantially in size, am vicious and.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: They're very active pests as well. In Australia. Yeah, they
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: are enormous.
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  Speaker 6: That's why you have to get your dogs to tear
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: them to pieces before you finish the job.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: But when I was the only to do we have
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: people that would come and stay in the in the
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: workers quarters which were not used so terribly run down,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: but they would come and stay there to go pigging
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: for the weekend.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: And would they subscribers to the popular publication.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Babes and I may know some people who featured in
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Babes and Bores, But.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: Wow, does that mean they did they subscribe to me?
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: They may subscribe to the rival publication Bacon Busters.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Save that for after the show. Why don't we moving
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: on to The Australian now.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: The headline reads Kidney cops to police child's care. Commonwealth
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Kidney Cops will carry out snap inspections of childcare centers
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: as the nation's biggest childcare chain install CCTV cameras across.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Hundreds of daycares.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: New powers of entry for fraud officers to conduct unannounced
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: spot checks of daycare centers will be part of childcare
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: safety legislation to be introduced to Federal Parliament within weeks.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I mean kind of not surprised that the story good.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: They're doing something seems like a sensible measure.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: The alban Eezy government has to act.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. That's a great endorsement. I'm going
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: to write down.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's an endorsement leg endorsers, you know what.
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  Speaker 5: It's not in the camera times, So they're not considering
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  Speaker 5: it doing it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, Go Nuclear Iran Analytical a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: and U academic, an academic at Australia's National University, has
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  Speaker 2: suggested an overseas in an overseas interview that Iran should
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: consider serious nuclear measures to counter Israel in the wake
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: of its devastating defeat in the Twelve Day War. A
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: and YOU senior lecturer in Middle East studies, Alam Salah
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: told Al Jazeera in the past week that Iran would
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: never be secure if Israel could attack it without fear
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: of serious retaliation, and that the continuation of the Islamic
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Republic's nuclear weapons program was in its best interest.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: So I didn't have a nuclear weapons program.
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  Speaker 6: I thought that was all just I didn't think that
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: was just right wing propaganda.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Look, I got to wonder what type of visa.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Perhaps mister Salah is on whether he should be here
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: for much longer.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: I mean that is disgusting.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: What A and you decides to do about it will
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: be very interesting and how quickly they're jumping to his defense.
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  Speaker 4: But I also think it, you know, the use of
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  Speaker 4: the term academic could be ironic in this case.
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  Speaker 3: I think perhaps those views should be shoved up.
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  Speaker 5: Someone's an us pretty shocking, Joe, I knows the time.
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  Speaker 4: We're kind of out of family, but we do.
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  Speaker 2: On an interesting note, we should look into these Middle
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Eastern study centers at universities because a lot of them
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: are receiving overseas funding and that may be influencing how
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: some of these academics approach certain issues. Look After the break,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi will reveal his top Aussie tracks for Triple
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: j's Hottest one hundred, from pub rock classics to a Heartfelt.
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  Speaker 1: Dog and them Don't Go Anywhere Welcome Back Well. Alban
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  Speaker 1: Easy has.
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  Speaker 2: Released his top favorite Australian songs of all time, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: what do We Reckon?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I like it?
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  Speaker 6: I have to say, of course, I would say that
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  Speaker 6: would objectively, I think he's got lookjectively, there's another word.
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  Speaker 6: I've got a huge I've got a few corrections to make,
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  Speaker 6: but here's the top ten. So we've got the angels.
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  Speaker 6: Am I ever going to see your face again? Spoiler alert?
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  Speaker 6: No way?
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  Speaker 3: Did you know?
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  Speaker 6: Fun fact that was never ever meant to be part
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  Speaker 6: of the original song? No organically organically and a gig
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  Speaker 6: in Aubrey I think it was, which tells you all
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  Speaker 6: you need.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: To go about you started it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Colature is all flame Trees, probably their second best
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: song after Casan. The Foes dogs are the best people. Yep,
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: that's a quality kind of creeper. I met the lead
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  Speaker 6: singer with the Foes at the big day out actually,
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  Speaker 6: when I.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Was we're going to do this on every band.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got a story to tell us, like between
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: its cal and Kane, You and I Purple Speakers. Now
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: the UMI song should have been damage or My Heavy Heart?
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: But anyway, how does and collectors throw your arms around me?
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: It's a banger.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: It's a banger. Could have also gone with Holy Grail,
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: but he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: That's all right.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: The Triffids, Wide Open Road, Spider Mate by Me Your
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Pony Go Janet, Midnight, Old Beds are Burning, I think
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: that's probably their probably their best, so strong played their
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: PM Paul Kelly how to make Gravy obviously a Christmas
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: classic every twenty first of December, but I would have
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  Speaker 6: gone with luck.
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  Speaker 1: So no, some good songs there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm honestly surprisingly impressed by Albert.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I'm marking that again twice now on July third. Frail
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: endorsers Anthony Alban.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: This is not an endorsement, This is a not extreme criticism.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: But another leader who's putting their stamp on things is Trump.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: He has now released his original centered fragrance. The name
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: of this is called Victory forty five to forty seven
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: because according to Trump, they're all about winning, strength and success.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Now this is He's now adding these to his collection
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of other products he's selling through his website, a cell phone, sneakers, watchers, guitars.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: He's also got his own bitcoin and digital trading cards.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: All of these products combined have brought in over seven
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: million dollars to Trump. So he's a good president. He's
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: also a good businessman.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: I just love that in his ad, the last thing
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: he says is and it smells good too.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an afterthought.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: That's the whole thing about the perfume.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: It's going to be great. Everyone's going to love you,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: everyone's everyone's going to think you're awesome. It's great to
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: be helping your dad is great. Oh yeah, this smells
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: good too.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: So there's also been a roller coaster getting stuck in
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Ohio with many people caught upside down for ten minutes
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: on a roller coaster. I mean that would have to
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: be up there with I think many many people's West nightmares.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: And we'll be up at the theme parks next week.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: And when I took Fredo on, got him on a
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: couple of roller coasters, my autistic son. We were on
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: one that the jet skis you ride at about ten
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: meters before you would dy it off. It stopped and
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: got stuck, and we actually were stuck there for.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: About half an hour, and they had to come with.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: We weren't upside down or anything, but fred big Fred
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: likes to tell the story a lot, and the thought
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: that I'm going to get him on another roller coast
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: of this trip, I'm going to go with a big night.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: I love the fact that guy said the coaster's safety
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: system performed as designed.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: The ride was restarted and guess.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: So all we had to do was turn it off
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: and turn it back on again.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely terrifying. Well that's it from the Late Debate. Thank
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you so much to Holly and Joe for joining us.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: It's been such a great week with you guys. We'll
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: be back on Monday at ten pm.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Up next is the reed A Pan of He Show.