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EDP34: Chicago, Melbourne & Perth Marathon Results / The ATHLOS Debate / Femke's 800m Move / · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello, welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 34.
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  I'm joined as always by Owen Smith in his usual surroundings
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  of outside of Dublin Island on a Sunday morning Pretty long run.
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  How you doing, Owen? Doing well, No, no dressing
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  going on today. I'll just have a woolly hoodie
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  because yeah, it's it's definitely getting colder now.
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  It's like 6-7 degrees. So the sun is starting to come
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  up. It's getting a bit brighter
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  outside. But no, I'm good.
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  I'll be out race week next week. So I've I've a lot easier.
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  I feel like in my head like I just had to get to after this
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  long run and then like it's downhill.
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  Just try not get sick. But yeah, I'm excited to race
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  next week. I'm grateful, and I'm sure the
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  listeners are too, that you keep getting up on a Sunday morning
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  at 6:00 AM to ensure that you're getting these recordings in.
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  So I get up early anyway so it probably suits me better and I
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  prefer dinner early Then I like middle of the day for me because
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  normally there's something on on a Sunday.
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  But Nah. I do I do anything for this
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  podcast to keep it going. No good.
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  And we've also got the Menzies dialing in from the unfamiliar
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  location of he's ventured over east and we've finally got on
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  the line. Yeah, a bit of a shaky
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  connection and a bit of a shaky start, but glad to be here and
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  do what we can to to keep the recordings going.
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  Yeah, so we've got a huge episode coming up because of the
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  Perth Marathon and the Melbourne Marathon largely.
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  So have you seen anyone since you landed you?
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  Because you literally flew today as in Sunday?
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  Have you seen people walking? Around with the finishing
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  medals. And I was just in the gym
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  earlier, which was sort of overlooking the MCG and the
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  finish line. You could see people pulling,
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  pulling stuff down. So you can see that it's been a
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  busy day. How's how's the levels of FOMO
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  then on a weekend like this where there's no racing going on
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  from a personal? Level, yeah.
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  And there was racing in the state I came from and the state
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  I've arrived, and it's trying to block it out because there's not
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  much you can do. But yeah, certainly wish I was
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  participating in something, that's for sure.
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  So your your escapism was literally just got oh God he's
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  gone. Yeah, well, I'm gonna keep on
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  going. Well anyway, the Dean just
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  dropped off the line but now I can slag him off and he can't
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  even hear me do it. But his his escapism from the
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  FOMO of not racing was to just get 35,000 feet up in the air
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  and forget about it all. So before we get into it
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  properly, want to say a massive thanks to everyone who's jumped
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  on early and bought the caps. Not sure if there's actually any
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  left. If you click on the link and it
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  allows you to buy them, then that means that there is, but
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  there's also a very good chance that there isn't.
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  So literally, yeah, the Earth. Thanks for everyone and whoever
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  has purchased, they're all in the post.
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  So we look forward to seeing them out there.
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  And we actually saw one of them out there this morning.
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  Host of another podcast, WA podcast here.
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  Simon ironically flew to Melbourne to race and Hemp
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  finally broke the three hour marathon.
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  So I'm not sure whether you could say that the Caps come
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  with a guaranteed PB, but they they give you a good chance
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  based on that. What time do you run?
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  That's some going by Simon. Yeah, he ran 257 I think after
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  having two, at least two attempts of trying to break 3
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  unsuccessfully so. Do you know where his previous
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  attempts were? He done the Goldie this year and
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  then he might have done another WA based one as well.
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  OK. So like Goldie will be fast and
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  where the conditions in Melbourne, were they good or do
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  you know? Yeah, so we put a poll or a
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  little Ask Me Anything on the Instagram earlier to get
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  feedback from the races. And Harry Lavelle actually
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  remember who was training with us in Perth last year, he raced
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  Melbourne to run 248 and he said that the conditions were pretty
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  much perfect and the course is largely flat.
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  Nice. So fair play to Simon.
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  Like super errors. It's such a big goal and now I
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  feel like it's sort of like a monkey off the back and he can
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  like now sort of kick on to the next massively, maybe 230.
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  Simon, come on. Yeah, because maybe you, you
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  have obviously other goals in the 5K10K half marathon, but
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  when you like almost stuck on a big barrier in like any of the
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  distances, you almost get hung up on it and like, find it hard
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  to move on, don't you? Exactly, My mate Philip Marron
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  from over here, he well, he's a miner and he ran, he ran 4 flash
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  I don't know how many times. And then this summer he
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  eventually broke it, but he broke up by like 3 seconds.
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  He got like 357 or something like that.
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  So like it was always in the tank.
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  You just need the right race, the right time.
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  And it was such a monkey off the back that like you never know
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  what can happen, like so 355 or whatever.
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  So yeah, it's, it's sometimes it's just mental block.
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  Definitely. And that always seems to be the
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  story when people finally do it, they've like peppered it for a
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  while, and then when they do it, they like batter it.
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  Yeah, it's so good. Hopefully that'll be me with sub
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  15 at some point. My it's common.
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  It's and especially after this, you'd be amazed after this long
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  break, like to come back so fresh and all that.
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  So it's going to be super exciting.
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  As Crouchy would say, hashtag back stronger.
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  Yeah, also I was wanted to mention and acknowledge that I
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  mean this is the purpose of the double trouble to cause a bit of
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  a stir. But the the sore one from last
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  week from Aaron got a bit of reaction, lots of agreement and
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  a little bit of disagreement. So we we put Apollo as well to
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  kind of gauge people's feelings on that.
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  And there was a high volume of responses.
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  So it wasn't based on a small sample size but 77% of people
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  agreed that it is too expensive, 11% of people said no, like it's
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  quality gear and like therefore justifiably expensive and 13% of
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  people weren't interested or like weren't even aware of socks
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  I think. Are they largely UK based brand?
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  You probably wouldn't be able to get it here.
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  Yeah, it's mainly in the UK. Yeah, so one of the main
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  responses coming back was from Auk based listener who
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  ironically spent some time in Perth earlier on his life as
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  well, Joe Turner. And maybe we have to take his
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  his opinion with a pinch of salt because he's a a sore supported
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  athlete. So he gets all the high quality
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  gear for I don't know if he gets it for free, but I assume he
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  does. But in fairness to him, he
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  obviously has the lived experience because he trains and
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  races in it. So he knows what it's all about.
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  But he was telling us that it's produced in Europe, which means
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  that they have a higher production cost and like the
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  longevity that you get out of it is is worth it compared to other
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  brands and stuff. So yeah, just acknowledging
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  people's different opinions there.
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  Like I like, it's probably like really, really nice gear, really
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  good, really light. And it might be more like I
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  looked it up and I think some of their stuff is still made in
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  China, but umm, majority is made in Portugal.
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  Like I actually text or and ask them this, but a lot of them
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  like this stuff is very, very like it's made the same stuff as
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  like Nike, Adidas and stuff. And like, I don't know about
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  you, but like you go through, you wear T-shirts, like Nike
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  T-shirts. I did AT shirts, New Balance
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  T-shirts and they genuinely all do last years.
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  So what I was saying is a pair like a pair of split shorts for
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  €290.00, nearly €300. I just can't justify that when I
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  can go to the Catalan, buy a pair of Kip run shorts for €20
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  and they're going to last me just as long.
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  And like Sore's big thing is I've seen something and they
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  released a jacket that weighs like 139 grams.
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  Like I couldn't give a shit if yes, if a jacket weighs 139
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  grams and it costs like €600, like I really couldn't care
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  less. I just want a Nike jacket that
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  does me grand for like £40. Like I just can't justify how.
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  And they're definitely making a massive markup.
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  Like they have to be like, I worked in New Balance, I've seen
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  how much of A markup they make on stuff like.
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  So they're 100% no matter how ethical it is, they're making a
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  crazy markup. Do you ever, you know, when if
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  you buy new like training gear or race wear or whatever and
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  then like the first time you wear it, you're almost like, oh,
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  I've just like completely destroyed with sweat saturated
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  my like new top or new shorts and you're almost like a bit
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  gutted. You like you want to protect
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  them a bit like it costs £500. I know I've been on training
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  T-shirt and like it'd be more expensive than let's say a Nike
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  or freaking Adidas T-shirts and but yeah, so I like wear that
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  for only like some sessions and all.
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  And so I'm like trying to save it.
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  But when I moved to Australia, I am bought 3 pairs of white and
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  shy shoe socks, 3 pairs of black ones and three pairs of white
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  ones. And I've just been totally like
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  every, they're all the only socks I wear.
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  I just rotate between them ones. And after like 2 1/2 three
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  years, it's finally time to cave in and buy some new ones.
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  They're sort of because I like, you know, you can be really
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  gentle putting socks on, but I've sort of yanked them on and
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  pulled them up my leg. I think they're sort of going
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  and no holes yet, but they're sort of going.
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  So I think it's finally time to cave and buy some more of them
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  socks. But like I don't mind spending
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  the money on that because I know they are going to last for
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  absolutely ages. Like the amount of times you
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  wear like I would literally wear 3 pairs of socks a day, one for
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  the morning session, then a normal sock and then one for the
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  evening session. Like you wear them so much
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  they're true to wash so much you literally abuse them.
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  And the fact that they literally have no holes near the toes like
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  I Nike ones that have holes in the toes like yeah, crazy.
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  So I don't mind spending the money on them, but because they
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  do a better job than the other brands.
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  But let's say for sore, like I just don't know if they'll do,
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  they'll do the exact same job. Like it's like you're going to
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  run faster in a freaking singlet that is lighter.
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  Like, yeah, I don't know. The the only thing I would say
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  is I have a friend who used to play like low, not low level
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  like professional football, but like lower level.
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  So he's in like League 2 or something and he always used to
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  say look good, feel good, play good.
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  And I feel like summer sores, like designs and stuff, like it
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  is pretty sick. So I would fancy being stood
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  there on the start line in it because it might make you like
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  feel good and therefore run a little bit better.
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  I'll be a bit more confident. But yeah, I don't think I'll be
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  paying like full resale price to be doing so.
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  But I was because some of the clubs here in Ireland actually
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  have sore like club vests. And I was on to my club and I
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  was like, oh, because like you hear about the singlets and they
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  look savage. I'm like, oh, can we try to get
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  sore ones? And then the cheapest single is
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  like 110 euro. Like how are you going to
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  convince like the average like run, I don't know.
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  Yeah. Anyway, it went straight to
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  window. We're going for singlets now to
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  cost like 30. Yeah, the actual like.
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  Club ones, well my club anyway the like proper shit quality
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  like thick as anything like big rim on the course like almost
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  like a old P kiss like to fair the sore gear like it is very
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  clean and like share. I don't know.
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  Yeah, it does look very good, to be fair to them, but I just
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  couldn't justify spending the money unless you're sponsored.
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  Last thing I'll say before we move on because we've got Dean
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  back and we need to make use of him for his results analysis
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  whilst he's here. Is that the reason why I think
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  Joe Turner, the the guy who's provided this feedback or
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  opinion is sponsored by Saw? He's ran 100K in six hours, 35
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  which when I first seen it I was like, I don't really know what
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  that means. So put it into the calculator.
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  Average 357 per kilometer. Wow, it's outrageous.
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  Six hours of running at 4 minute under 4 minute kilometers, that
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  is. Yeah, fuck.
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  You best be hoping Jake's not listening because it'll probably
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  like trigger something in his mind.
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  And want to go out and run it and Jake is fit.
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  Yeah, you're pretty impressed with these 10K workout what you
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  are? Man, I was like the chap I was
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  looking at a Strava bears. When I'm bored I just go on
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  Jake's Strava to just see what he's been doing because he
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  actually doesn't come up on my Strava feed sometimes.
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  So yeah, just constantly hit in 280 K weeks and then you see a
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  session and like K in Tokyo, I thought like 3 O one piece.
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  Yeah, like. A lap course, but.
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  But in that weather, I think it like, yeah, ridiculous.
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  The. I was listening to a video like
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  an interview of who's the favorite for Chicago?
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  Is it Korea? Yeah, he's like defending
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  champion and the interviewer asked about mileage and he's
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  like, yeah, I've put together 4 weeks of 250 KS a week, which
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  ordinarily I'd be like, that's phenomenal.
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  But I get desensitized now after looking at Jake Strava as to
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  what that that is I think. Actually, to see the video with
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  Clayton Young and John Career where they're in the dining room
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  and John Career is after eating, he had like a chicken, rice,
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  whatever, but he has a tea and he has like 10 sachets of sugar.
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  So he's old sachets just thrown on the plate with his leftover
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  food and he's like 10 sachets of sugar in his tea and like, OK,
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  so that's how you get the carbs in.
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  That's a pretty popular and I would like some of the when you
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  stay in some of those hotels and you say that like that's a
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  pretty a bit of a go to, I think the sugary sugar out there,
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  coffee and some teas like yeah. Before I came to Australia, I
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  done a month in Thailand and went to the airport and had this
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  like Thai tea or something, and it was sickeningly safe.
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  And I was like, I just couldn't drink.
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  It's whatever they use, condensed milk or something, and
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  then they put more sugar on top of it.
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  Yeah, not for me. I I spent 4 weeks in India once
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  for work and they have like this very sweet tea and yeah, I mean
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  it was dangerous. I couldn't fit into my suits by
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  the end of it, but it's just yeah, that was a good trip, but
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  good food. But yeah, two carb, 2 carb
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  intense. Two things on the Chicago chart
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  whilst we're here because obviously the race as we record
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  hasn't happened yet and I was going to suggest to Owen I
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  haven't actually done it yet so we'll get his response live on
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  air that maybe later on because we're going to catch up again
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  anyway, me and Owen could double back and review the Chicago
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  results and add the match. So yeah, listeners, they'll be
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  at the end of the episode. All things being well, it's
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  going to be it's going to be stacked because Connor man's
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  going for American record, probably on North American
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  record re Linkletter is going to try and hit the North American
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  record. If you drunk career you've got
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  Kipling. Yeah, we have to.
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  Did you see Jonathan Galt from Let's Run?
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  He interviewed Kipling MO I think it was yesterday, and he
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  asked him like a pretty controversial question, but I
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  was buzzing with it. Have you seen the clip?
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  No. He says, oh, your agent, Doctor
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  Rosa, is getting a reputation for, like, lots of his athletes
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  failing drugs tests. Like, does that worry you or how
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  do you feel about that? And there's a couple of guys
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  because they video it as well. There's a couple of guys stood.
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  Behind Kiplimo and like as. Go get through his question and
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  you, like, get the sense of where he's going with it.
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  Kaplimo is just getting, like, tapped in the back and nudged by
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  must be like, not his actual agent Rosa, but like some sort
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  of representative, as if to say, like, keep your mouth shut.
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  Like don't be actually answering this question.
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  And he's like, yeah, I have nothing to say.
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  Both. Emma, did you hear on the other
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  podcasts that, umm, they say they tell the drug story about
• 16:51
  how I think it was last week we mentioned them as well, your man
• 16:55
  who normally got six years but it got cut down to five.
• 16:57
  And how he actually got sourced the EPO, like he actually didn't
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  know, like in exclamation marks, like he apparently he didn't
• 17:05
  know what he was taken. Like, would you believe that or.
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  No, No, he definitely knows. Yeah.
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  He. Definitely not.
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  Yeah, exactly. That's yeah.
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  Because he was, I think he said he was told that I'm this gets
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  rid of like lactic in your legs or some shit like that.
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  If only there was like. No doubt it does.
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  If only there was a product and a brand that could do that
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  legally. And how cheap and accessible it
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  is as well to be able to like just ask a bus driver to source
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  it for you for what? Like a fiver or something.
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  Like, no wonder they're all like, tempted by the devil.
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  Any because we won't maybe won't otherwise cover it, but did you
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  want to throw out any predictions and see how they age
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  by the end of the podcast? Yeah, I'll say months.
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  Definitely breaks the record, maybe comfortably, but I don't
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  know because it's in, I don't know if you've seen is, is
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  Charter in the lead up, but he sounds like breaking the record.
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  He's almost like assuming is like the benchmark, like that's
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  definitely on. It's what more he can do beyond
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  that. So I don't know how fast they'll
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  go. Don't really want to like put
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  time on it either. And I guess the other question
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  is Korea versus Cappellino, isn't it?
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  I've no idea. I'd just be stabbing in the
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  dark. I'm going to sit on the fence.
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  Who's in the women's field? I'm trying to find it here.
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  We've got it here if you it's in the agenda if you scroll
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  through. Oh yeah, there's.
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  Not as much happening in the women's, to be fair.
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  You've got Cali Thackery and obviously Philly Bowden.
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  I think Dan Yaxley messages she's pulled out fractured
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  names. Oh.
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  My God, I was listening to her reason why she pulled down.
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  I was like, Oh my God, this is exactly what's going to happen
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  to my knee. Did you?
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  Did you? She fell on it though.
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  No I don't. I might have hit it off
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  something but I can't remember so.
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  Yeah, hers was. I thought hers was off the back
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  of a fall. I thought she was saying.
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  Feel bad for her though. Oh yeah because she like got 6
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  good weeks of running. Like the pain went away.
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  It's weird. Way up, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. So she was running on a on that
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  whatever. Yeah, break for Yeah got so
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  close. Then just popped.
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  What? What do you think on man's
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  Linklater Korea Kaplimo then? I think man's run I I think,
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  yeah, I agree. I feel like he's likely in shape
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  to break the record, maybe 20330 maybe, which would be
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  phenomenal. And then I don't know about, I
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  think that Rory Linklater's maybe trying to talk it into
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  existence rather than like man's has like run what, 59 low for
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  1/2. It sort of makes more sense.
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  So I don't know. I don't know if you'll get the
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  Canadian record. I'll say he won't.
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  And then as Korea wins, that's that'll be my tip.
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  I'm about to keep playing, man. Trying to see the weather
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  because I hear it could have been a bit warm.
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  Yeah, I thought maybe it's a bit middling.
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  Not not too bad either way. Above 15 or something.
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  Yeah. 10:00 it's 1511 o'clock 1612 o'clock seventeen. 1:00 it
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  so all. Then we'll be done by then.
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  So yeah, was it 14 to 16°, which you can't really complain about,
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  can you? No, I mean, so Perth today, I
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  think it started at 11 degrees, got up to 15° by the end or you
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  know, 16° by 8. Degrees.
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  So yeah, pretty nice as far as October Perth weather.
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  I think when I did it, I don't know if he a while ago or when I
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  yeah, I think it was like 1617° when you start so.
• 20:52
  When to get it a bit? Cooler then.
• 20:53
  That's nice. When I'd done it last year, it
• 20:55
  got pretty warm in the second-half.
• 20:58
  Well, and yeah, and so they started the marathon at six,
• 21:01
  whereas you're starting that half at like almost 8:00 just
• 21:04
  before I. So it would have been, it would
• 21:07
  have been probably over 20° when you started I think.
• 21:10
  So I could easily like knock off like 2 minutes.
• 21:13
  Minimum. All right, let's let's get into
• 21:17
  the results properly then, because there's there's a few
• 21:19
  maybe spicy takes that are going to come that we're going to want
• 21:22
  Dean around for to defuse. So we'll start in Melbourne.
• 21:29
  So Melbourne Marathon on the men's race was won by the big
• 21:34
  favorite on the day, but obviously he still had to
• 21:36
  execute Jack Rayner 215-O2 and he has run 211 before, but
• 21:43
  clearly he didn't need to run any faster than that today.
• 21:45
  He's beating Steve McKenna in second, who's run APB of two
• 21:49
  1642 and Fraser Darcy was third in This is a weird one.
• 21:55
  It's not technically the fastest time.
• 21:57
  He's run 21738. But if you're being technical,
• 22:01
  it's PB because the whereas fastest time comes from Sydney
• 22:05
  is like technically illegal or ineligible for records because
• 22:09
  of the downhill nature. Then on the women's race,
• 22:13
  Caitlin Abben Adams, the debutant, won in two hours, 3026
• 22:18
  seconds from Sarah Klein backing up from Tokyo in two hours 3559
• 22:23
  and Millie Clark there in 2 hours 3740.
• 22:27
  So before we move on from the marathon, any observations,
• 22:31
  comments on those? But yeah, like you said, maybe
• 22:34
  Jack Randon did enough to win by the I only saw the second-half
• 22:38
  of the stream. Did you watch?
• 22:40
  I don't know if you were up early enough to see the first
• 22:42
  part, but how the race unfolded. But from what I saw, was it
• 22:47
  Fraser Darcy was ahead of, I think Steve McKenna, human.
• 22:50
  Is it Joe Fukuda, the Japanese guy that's been around for a
• 22:53
  long time? We're maybe running together.
• 22:56
  And then perhaps Steve judged, judged his effort better, you
• 23:01
  know, the best of those three and came over the top of them I
• 23:04
  think later to finish second. So I don't know, I think those
• 23:08
  guys, the guys that ran second and third, I think hopefully
• 23:10
  they'll be pretty happy. Like what's it a minute PB for
• 23:15
  or two maybe for Steve McKenna, I think he's run 218 a few times
• 23:18
  and 219 won. So like it's his fourth marathon
• 23:22
  this year. So all pretty solid, solid runs.
• 23:24
  And that's his fastest time, which hopefully he's be happy
• 23:28
  with. I think he would be happy with
• 23:30
  that, I assume, and just fun to be mixing in those races.
• 23:33
  I mean, I would have liked to have been part of that race,
• 23:35
  that's for sure. But yeah, can't race everything,
• 23:37
  can't always be within fit. Yeah, I thought they obviously
• 23:40
  ran as as good as they could. It gave them the opportunity to
• 23:43
  be as competitive as they could be.
• 23:44
  And then yeah, Caitlin Adams, I think that's who we tipped on in
• 23:48
  terms of debutante. So looks like really good debut.
• 23:52
  SA would be pretty pumped because that's second and third
• 23:55
  in the men's and 1st in the in the women's.
• 23:58
  So. And yeah, Sarah, Sarah Klein
• 24:00
  would be happy to be backing up so close to since the world
• 24:04
  champs, right? So yeah, all looked like good
• 24:06
  races. Looked like really good weather
• 24:08
  in Melbourne as well. Looked like looks like they had
• 24:09
  a really nice day. Yeah, SA set in the dominance in
• 24:14
  Victoria. So then that continued to in the
• 24:17
  win women's half marathon as Izzy Bath Doyle took the win in
• 24:22
  6855, which was a course record there.
• 24:25
  So I think from memory last year where it was Izzy, Jess and
• 24:30
  Leanne with that, did they run 69?
• 24:32
  Like kind of like 10-15 ish was it?
• 24:36
  Yeah, and I think maybe that was not long after Izzy had run the
• 24:40
  Australian record for the 10K around that Albert Park course.
• 24:44
  Was it the pre run pre and then was a bit of an upset to get
• 24:48
  rolled at Melbourne really. So yeah, probably happy to be 20
• 24:52
  seconds quicker and like you say, the fastest time ever.
• 24:56
  I don't know. Yeah, nice event.
• 24:57
  I think isn't it it all and and the stream and those sorts of
• 25:00
  things. We'll probably get on to that
• 25:01
  more when we talk about Perth, but it looked like a really good
• 25:03
  morning. They do it so well and I think
• 25:05
  they split the courses up was what the COM I heard along the
• 25:09
  commentary you used to run into each other between the half and
• 25:11
  the full whereas they kept that all separate this year which I
• 25:14
  thought was really good. I think there was a couple of
• 25:17
  listeners were writing in there and I've seen Brett in his
• 25:21
  interview saying I think from the last 12 K the half
• 25:27
  marathoners, the front of the half marathon is made.
• 25:30
  Oh no, the front of the marathoners joined like the mid
• 25:34
  slash back of the half marathoners, which caused a bit
• 25:38
  of weaving and bobbin. So I think people are raising
• 25:43
  that as like a bit feedback for them.
• 25:48
  Do you know the way in Perth Marathon Festival?
• 25:51
  Like the 5K comes in one entrance at stadium, 10K
• 25:55
  another. They've all different entrances
• 25:57
  in Melbourne. Do they all come in the one or
• 25:59
  is it like the same as part to the Aquaman at different angles?
• 26:03
  They all, no, it's a bit different to they all just come
• 26:06
  in and but they all go through different shoots.
• 26:09
  So you all sort of do the same loop around the G, but you sort
• 26:12
  of you get sort of funneled into your own light lane, I suppose
• 26:17
  one's further outside than the other.
• 26:19
  That's the good thing. Well, from my experience in
• 26:23
  Perth, when I done the half like you hit no traffic because
• 26:26
  you're all going in different entrances, which is which is
• 26:29
  really good. Yeah, and I think whereas in
• 26:32
  Melbourne it all gets quite confusing even like you're all
• 26:34
  pretty disorientated on a good day.
• 26:37
  But like in that last five KS, I remember getting completely
• 26:41
  confused trying to. I remember yelling at Hal's, she
• 26:43
  was on the bike and then Hal started yelling at an official.
• 26:45
  I couldn't work out where to go, left or right as you're heading
• 26:48
  down out of. Is it the 10?
• 26:51
  And then, yeah, back into the G as well?
• 26:53
  You're trying to work out which way you turn.
• 26:54
  So yeah, Optus, they do it quite well in terms of the finish.
• 26:58
  They probably just don't have as much of an atmosphere because
• 27:00
  they don't. The people don't gather around
• 27:02
  as much, do they? Was there bottles for the elites
• 27:06
  because I even think Danny Axley and he commented on in the in
• 27:11
  the circle easy to build clubhouse dot M Jack Rayner was
• 27:15
  getting 100 bottles. So was there like was there
• 27:17
  bottles on course for the elites or I feel like that's sort of is
• 27:20
  it cheating? I don't know.
• 27:22
  No. Well, so in the so I did it,
• 27:25
  this is a while back now, but the boxes were the, the bottles
• 27:28
  were still in boxes on tables. Like it wasn't very well
• 27:31
  organised like you'd say in like a Japanese race or even in Gold
• 27:34
  Coast. Like what they'll do with some
• 27:36
  of the tables, at least for preferred and the late starts is
• 27:39
  they'll based on your seed number or bid number, place your
• 27:43
  bottle along a table. Whereas I know in the past for
• 27:46
  Melbourne, you're literally just fishing them out of a, out of a
• 27:48
  cardboard box that gets transported to the table.
• 27:52
  So it's pretty, which is it makes it's a bit dangerous.
• 27:54
  Everyone's running on top of each other trying to get them
• 27:56
  out of there. So what I remember the directors
• 28:00
  said in the past is that if you have someone within the rule,
• 28:03
  there's rules around how many meters either side of an aid
• 28:05
  station you can receive a special drink, but that you can
• 28:09
  get someone. And so I know when House did it,
• 28:11
  there was a group of cyclists that would sort of follow the
• 28:14
  cult run, you know, cycle in parallel with the course so that
• 28:17
  they could get to the aid stations, fish out the drinks
• 28:19
  and hand them to, to use. Because like, surely you're
• 28:22
  saving so much time if you have, if you can avoid the chaos at a
• 28:26
  drink station without slowing down, like if someone could just
• 28:29
  literally just stick out a hand and you can just grab a bottle
• 28:32
  going full speed. Like I feel like you save, like
• 28:35
  it adds up over time, all time, seconds you're saving and even
• 28:39
  like messing with, you're like, slowing down and speeding up.
• 28:42
  Like yeah, I feel. Like, yeah.
• 28:45
  It's illegal. When when I did it that year,
• 28:48
  like the guys that were having to stop, grab the drink bottles
• 28:52
  and then accelerate straight back to get catch up to our
• 28:55
  group because it was there was pacemakers, they were by 25 KS,
• 28:58
  most of them were gone because they just spent so much extra
• 29:01
  energy doing that. So yeah, certainly.
• 29:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those little lactate spikes
• 29:06
  just catch up with you, I think. It sounds like that ruling has
• 29:10
  actually saved Jack Rayner's race today as well because he in
• 29:14
  his post race interview he said he was cramping.
• 29:17
  I can't remember at what distance, but he told his
• 29:20
  brother who was on course handing bottles.
• 29:23
  His brother then went to shop, got salt, put it in his next
• 29:26
  bottle and he then took salt on board when his brother cycled up
• 29:31
  to meet him with the salt in the bottle.
• 29:33
  And you know what, I've seen that.
• 29:34
  I've seen that because normally he's drinking out of like a
• 29:37
  proper like Sookie, like when the bakes bottles.
• 29:39
  But he actually had like, you know, I think it's pump.
• 29:42
  Do you know that bottle? Yeah.
• 29:46
  Yeah, yeah, Mount Franklin, but the fancier 1.
• 29:49
  Yeah. He took a swig at one of them.
• 29:51
  I was like, what? That's so weird.
• 29:52
  Why? But yeah, it must have been
• 29:53
  that. It's a magic bottle.
• 29:58
  Going back to the women's half to finish off the results.
• 30:01
  Then the New Zealand lady who I incorrectly labeled as
• 30:04
  Australian last week, Georgie Georgia.
• 30:07
  Greg Rick was second in 6944, but I will claim that I
• 30:13
  highlighted her ability on paper.
• 30:16
  Beat Sinead diver into third. Sinead ran 70 minutes and 56
• 30:21
  seconds, so feel like that's a decent result on a journey back
• 30:25
  towards the top because there's a couple of ladies in behind
• 30:28
  there who like she would be like glad to be and finish as high up
• 30:32
  as third, no doubt. Yeah, it's a very solid run and
• 30:37
  nice to see her her running good to good good, particularly for
• 30:41
  people over 30 to say that. Oh here actually.
• 30:45
  Big fan of that Nike kit I thought was cool.
• 30:51
  Yeah, with the trip, the tribute call away.
• 30:53
  Yeah, it's cool. They do shit like that so well,
• 30:57
  don't they? Like timed perfectly and it's so
• 31:01
  well thought out. Speaking of, did you did you
• 31:05
  watch Jake Whiteman's recap video where he spoke about his
• 31:09
  silver medal? It's really good.
• 31:11
  I'll put it onto the I nearly posted it into the inner circle,
• 31:16
  but he in there spoke about how the Nike sponsored national
• 31:20
  teams like JB, they would have a like a heats kit and then they
• 31:25
  would have a separate kit for for finals.
• 31:29
  So and it was like a flasher, like looking looking kit.
• 31:32
  You only bust that out if you're if you're yeah, in a final,
• 31:35
  which I just saw. Yeah, again, just another like
• 31:38
  cool Nike, Nike Nike move. Like it's like when Tiger Woods
• 31:42
  used to wear red or black, you know, on Sunday in a in a major
• 31:46
  just as a get himself in the right headspace.
• 31:50
  Tiger Red and then he I was suckered into the market
• 31:53
  employee from Tiger Woods and Nike probably together when they
• 31:57
  released his set of custom Nike irons titled the the VR Victory
• 32:03
  Red irons. I was like, fucking hell.
• 32:04
  I need need these bad boys. What were you saying about
• 32:07
  before? About, you know, feel fast, run
• 32:10
  fast. Well, that's it, yeah.
• 32:12
  Hold a VR then hit a good shot, something like that and shoot 24
• 32:18
  over par rather than 25 over par in the men's house.
• 32:24
  Go on. One last sidetrack, but Harry,
• 32:27
  who ran with us, Harry ran the Melbourne Marathon today.
• 32:31
  Hopefully a friend of the show and friend of ours when we were
• 32:34
  doing a training block together in the lead up for Ballarat.
• 32:37
  But I did see in the in his comments that that he said he'd
• 32:41
  be going out to try and shoot a decent score this afternoon off
• 32:44
  the back of the marathon this morning.
• 32:46
  So someone that can hit the ball well as well as run well.
• 32:51
  Oh yeah. Was that to make himself feel
• 32:54
  better over the marathon or just in general?
• 32:57
  I'm not sure I wasn't exactly sure what the the inside jokes
• 33:00
  were, but I pet potentially. I know like he runs very well,
• 33:03
  but he also plays golf, perhaps even better, I think, doesn't
• 33:07
  he? So I.
• 33:07
  Think he knows something about that?
• 33:09
  I think I distinctly remember him saying in the I was going to
• 33:12
  say in the ice bath, but definitely wasn't the ice bath.
• 33:14
  He didn't spend much time in the in the in the hot bath that he
• 33:17
  plays off scratch. Yeah.
• 33:20
  Good going. We don't really have time to
• 33:22
  waste on this, but if you could convert a scratch handicap into
• 33:27
  a marathon time, you're talking like 20 something probably,
• 33:32
  aren't you? For a man or no?
• 33:37
  Because all pros are like plus whatever.
• 33:39
  Aren't these. Pros are like plus 6 to 9.
• 33:41
  I think so. But I mean, it's it's the real
• 33:45
  point again though. Yeah, for sure.
• 33:46
  Yeah. OK, we won't waste any more time
• 33:49
  than that in the men's half marathon.
• 33:52
  This was the big one where there was plenty of big names and also
• 33:55
  plenty of uncertainties as to how it would play out.
• 33:59
  But now with the benefit of hindsight, it kind of reads
• 34:02
  quite not obvious. But it makes sense that half two
• 34:06
  Shrin Sauce took the win in 6213.
• 34:08
  The fact that this guy's second isn't so obvious.
• 34:10
  Zac Faccioni, That's a unbelievable result for him.
• 34:13
  6321, followed by New Zealander Toby Goldner, 6322 and now
• 34:21
  typically won't read beyond third.
• 34:22
  But Brett Robinson finished in a disappointing 4th and Stu
• 34:27
  Mcswain in a even more so disappointing 6th, both running
• 34:32
  Brett like just a couple seconds under 64 and Stewie 6416.
• 34:37
  So not the best days for the big hitters there for the men.
• 34:40
  Yeah, I'm not. Did you listen to it?
• 34:42
  Well, I guess half in terms of the results was that a quite
• 34:46
  clean sweep for Owen and I. So that's 4 from 4.
• 34:52
  So glad we called it have to go with have to was right and maybe
• 34:58
  you shout out to where where was greenie scoop or maybe credit
• 35:01
  goes to the coach we lost at front runner who's joined on
• 35:06
  Oceania right. So maybe something's going on
• 35:10
  there, but was Zach Fatchione, was he up there in the National
• 35:15
  Cross earlier in the year, I think.
• 35:17
  Yeah, I think so. Did I think I had to mention
• 35:20
  that on the commentary? Yeah, I remember watching that
• 35:23
  race and watching him contesting there.
• 35:25
  So he's obviously had a pretty good year, so good to see it
• 35:29
  transfer from the cross country to the road.
• 35:31
  So but yeah, took some big scalps, but it sounds like there
• 35:35
  was a bit. Was there a couple of groups
• 35:36
  maybe in that Brett and Stewie were maybe running together?
• 35:39
  I don't know if they're spending more time thinking about one
• 35:40
  another or I don't know. Or maybe that's just where their
• 35:43
  fitness is at. Who's the guy who came third?
• 35:48
  Toby Galter, Because that's a good run.
• 35:52
  Like 63 is getting up there. Yeah, I think also that the guy
• 35:58
  who finished 7th next and see was New Zealander as well.
• 36:04
  And then, yeah, well, I'm down to 7 so I might as well say 8th.
• 36:07
  Ryan Gregson finished 8th and 6458, so no doubt he too will be
• 36:12
  disappointed with that. It can't be your day every day,
• 36:17
  but I'm sure Brett, Stewie and Ryan are very much scratching
• 36:21
  their heads this afternoon as to what went wrong.
• 36:24
  Brett particularly like on the back of Sydney, it sounds like
• 36:28
  he felt like he was in a good place going into that and that
• 36:30
  result came as a bit of a shock. And then he had to kind of pick
• 36:34
  himself up from that to go again.
• 36:37
  Would have been hoping for not even like a great result, but
• 36:40
  just an okay result to then go and put another marathon block
• 36:44
  on top of. But he'll probably have to
• 36:46
  battle some mental demons to get himself in a positive frame of
• 36:50
  mind to restart the Valencia block now.
• 36:52
  But hopefully he can put that together and go well in
• 36:55
  Valencia. Lastly for the 10K here the was
• 36:59
  obliterated by Adam Goddard again I think SA 2840 winning by
• 37:04
  over a minute to Johannes Dog Noor 2941 and Zaid Al Saeed 2948
• 37:12
  in 3rd. And for the women's 10K was won
• 37:18
  by Ellie Pashley 3341 on her comeback race.
• 37:22
  I think former was it a World Champs representative rather
• 37:26
  than Olympian and second was Stella Radford in 3412 followed
• 37:32
  by Tiana Katter in. Yeah, I think she ran the same
• 37:36
  world as Moose, didn't she? Yeah.
• 37:41
  Ellie Pashley. Yeah.
• 37:44
  She was she. Ran the 10K with Sinead at the
• 37:48
  2019 World champs, but I thought they were both.
• 37:52
  Yeah, well, who was the Yeah, that's right.
• 37:57
  So yeah, 2019. Yeah, so huge comeback runs from
• 38:02
  both her and Sinead. So I reckon that concludes
• 38:07
  Melbourne. The only other thing to add is
• 38:09
  that, well, yeah, we reached out to the listeners to get feedback
• 38:14
  and lots of it was good on the course on the weather and the
• 38:17
  bad things were about the the marathon and the half marathon
• 38:21
  integrating towards the end. But like the Expo looked class
• 38:24
  and like just the general atmosphere.
• 38:26
  Like it seems to be a proper, I don't know if it's because it's
• 38:29
  a Nike sponsored event and like they just do these things really
• 38:33
  well, but it seems like proper festival atmosphere and like the
• 38:37
  running is just not a small part of the running is like the final
• 38:42
  part of a massive like weekend celebration of running over
• 38:45
  there. So they do things well.
• 38:49
  Ellie was third at the Tokyo Olympics, just so she was at the
• 38:54
  Olympics a couple years later. OK, so yeah, world champs and
• 38:58
  Olympic representative huge. Now then move on to Perth
• 39:04
  Running Festival, which also happened this morning.
• 39:06
  The marathon started at 6:00 AM, just about two kilometers away
• 39:11
  from my apartment, but I couldn't manage to get myself
• 39:14
  out of bed and down to the start line for it.
• 39:17
  So the marathon was paying $10,000 for the win, $5000 for
• 39:22
  2nd and $2000 for 3rd, which is decent if not great prize money
• 39:28
  given the kind of like the calibre of the event.
• 39:33
  And the men's race was won by. I'll get to the controversial
• 39:41
  things later. It was won by Paul Ianni who was
• 39:45
  the winner of last year's race too.
• 39:47
  So back-to-back wins in Perth for the Kenyan, although there's
• 39:50
  an Australian flag next to his name on the official results.
• 39:53
  Matt Smith of WA Slash Perth was second in 2/27/19 and 3rd was
• 40:01
  Carlos Boss Aquino in 2/31/17. I'll do the women's results and
• 40:06
  then we can talk about them. The woman who won the women's
• 40:10
  race was Kellen with Ythira. Now I think she was too a Kenyan
• 40:15
  athlete. But it wasn't the woman who won
• 40:18
  last year's race. The women, the woman who
• 40:21
  finished second was an Australian, Abigail Nordberg.
• 40:24
  So sorry. The winner ran 23852 and Abigail
• 40:28
  Nordberg in second was 24215 and Abigail just finished as the 4th
• 40:34
  Australian at Sydney Marathon just a couple of weeks ago, so
• 40:37
  quick backup for her. And the woman who was third was
• 40:41
  Jane Fardel in Two 4945 South. Any observations here?
• 40:50
  Question. This is probably a really,
• 40:51
  really stupid question and I probably should know the answer
• 40:53
  to it, but so on the results, you've time in your Internet
• 40:56
  time. So net time, is that the same as
• 41:01
  no, which is gun time? Like what's the difference
• 41:04
  between all these? Gun time will be time and that
• 41:08
  time will be when they cross the bloody first time.
• 41:12
  In map, which from the video from WAMC page, you can see that
• 41:16
  for some reason the weather like the big, what's it called, like
• 41:21
  the archway, what you start underneath, they'll start on the
• 41:25
  start line there and then like when they GO-321-GO, the actual
• 41:30
  first timing chip is like 3 yards in front of it.
• 41:34
  So it's took them a couple of seconds to get to the actual
• 41:37
  start timeship, which is bizarre.
• 41:40
  So you actually can't use your net time, you have to use the
• 41:45
  gun time, correct? Officially, yeah, if you are in
• 41:50
  like the elite or priority part of the race, because typically
• 41:54
  you start on the front line or the second line or whatever
• 41:57
  anyway. Whereas if you're seeded further
• 42:00
  down the race, then it's unfair to award those athletes the gun
• 42:04
  time because it takes them 10 seconds, 30 seconds, 60 seconds,
• 42:08
  depending on where they start to actually hit the start official
• 42:12
  start line, if that makes sense. So like, why is gun time?
• 42:18
  Yes. So this is just a bit silly
• 42:20
  really that those guys should have the same gun and net time,
• 42:25
  but because they put the start my head of the start line,
• 42:28
  there's two second variance. I remember there was AGB out
• 42:31
  late, I think it was just Warner Judd that she qualified for some
• 42:37
  race using her of the faster 1. So which which one's only the
• 42:43
  the net time is the faster one. The net time will always be the
• 42:47
  faster one. Yeah.
• 42:48
  So she qualified with her net time but because she was a lady
• 42:52
  and all the lads took this frontline her gun time was
• 43:00
  slower because she didn't cross the line obviously.
• 43:03
  So technically she qualified but because you only take your gun
• 43:07
  time and she didn't qualify which is actually crazy.
• 43:11
  Like why is this still a thing in 2025?
• 43:13
  Get rid. Yeah, you'd be sick if that was
• 43:16
  the case, wouldn't you? And the same if it was like to
• 43:20
  cross a big threshold like 233 hours, four hours, whatever, if
• 43:23
  it was just the wrong side of that for you.
• 43:25
  It makes no sense whatsoever. I think if you're in a, if
• 43:30
  you're in a mass participation race and you're not near the
• 43:33
  front, taking your net time makes sense.
• 43:36
  I think they actually often award the net time in those
• 43:39
  circumstances, but if you have like a seeded start, you always
• 43:42
  get awarded the gun time. Yeah, like Hal's ran the half
• 43:46
  today and she and I was, I was tracking her and I was a bit
• 43:51
  nervous at the start with a 10K split, but then I realized that
• 43:54
  it was over 3 minutes before she crossed the start line.
• 43:58
  Oh wow, and how did she get on in the end?
• 44:01
  Yeah, because she ran, she was 4 minutes quicker than last year.
• 44:03
  So like she was wrapped or when she ran 1/2 last year.
• 44:07
  But yeah, she yeah, ran an hour 41.
• 44:10
  But yeah, had a great time. But I think started far too
• 44:14
  back, far too far back. Like I think she spent the first
• 44:17
  few KS just overtaking people. I mean, she was overtaking
• 44:21
  people the whole way, but but you know, the self seating
• 44:24
  people were Yeah, and. I think it was pretty congested
• 44:27
  at the start. You know, it's very narrow.
• 44:28
  Start starting corral. Is that with the race strategy
• 44:32
  you gave her, she was able to execute to perfection.
• 44:36
  I did prescribe heart rate and yeah, certain heart rates to hit
• 44:42
  and she went slightly ahead of them, but I sort of knew she
• 44:46
  would do that, so it all worked out well.
• 44:50
  I knew she wanted to send it a bit.
• 44:51
  She'd be like Owen loves the loves the smoke.
• 44:54
  So, but I had to, I had to dial it down a couple, but but no,
• 45:00
  she was. Stoked.
• 45:00
  So it was good and it was a nice day.
• 45:02
  So, well, you, you were. Both in the same school, Yeah
• 45:04
  weren't you? So no excuses for you not taking
• 45:07
  4 minutes off your half PB next year.
• 45:10
  Yeah, all right. Didn't you mention last week how
• 45:14
  I just. Absolutely.
• 45:15
  Murdered. My last half by going out too
• 45:17
  hard so maybe just try and execute.
• 45:21
  Maybe because Hales is a good executor, she could provide you
• 45:24
  with your next race strategy in your heart rate zones.
• 45:28
  Probably not a bad shout. I'll read the rest of the
• 45:33
  results from the the festival because there's also 1/2
• 45:35
  marathon and a 10K and then we can talk about it more so.
• 45:39
  So the half marathon was won unassumingly by Tim Vincent's
• 45:43
  who's just represented Australia in the marathon in the World
• 45:46
  Athletics Championships Tokyo. And it wasn't until the half
• 45:51
  marathon started and Tim Vincent's appeared on the live
• 45:55
  stream and Dean Tax like is that Tim Vincent's running around
• 45:58
  Perth? We we realized that he was here.
• 46:03
  So he won in 6517 from Andy Smith in 2nd 7038 and Josh Van
• 46:09
  Zealand in 3rd 7044. The women's race was won by
• 46:14
  frontrunner's own so we can claim this one.
• 46:17
  Massive congratulations to Rebecca Bolster in a 7935
• 46:22
  followed by Benny Ostrich one hour 24/06 and Cat Watt who is
• 46:27
  an avid listener. So well done Cat forgetting on
• 46:29
  the podium in one hour 2419 last.
• 46:35
  I think it's, I think it's just crazy that Tim Vincent ran the
• 46:41
  Perth Marathon Festival and like, we didn't know about it.
• 46:47
  You know, what's what's funny now that like it's apparent
• 46:51
  yesterday morning when I was getting back from a bike ride, I
• 46:54
  was going into the hotel over the road, the Pan Pacific's to
• 46:57
  get a coffee and this guy was coming out and looked like he
• 47:01
  was going for a jog. And you know, when you look at
• 47:04
  you, when you see someone like running, you can tell that
• 47:07
  they're a good runner like always just by how they how they
• 47:10
  hold themselves. And I could see he had he was
• 47:13
  from behind, but he had a pair of mega blasts on.
• 47:16
  And I was like, oh, this guy wonder if he's doing.
• 47:18
  I was almost going to, you know, some like quite forward or weird
• 47:22
  like that. I was almost going to say like,
• 47:23
  oh, excuse me, Are you doing the the marathon tomorrow or the
• 47:26
  half marathon? And like it, it was Tim Vincent,
• 47:30
  now that we know it was him. And how funny would it have been
• 47:33
  if I had to just randomly ask this guy and he's turned around
• 47:36
  like, well, yeah, just run at the World Athletics champs.
• 47:39
  Actually. That's crazy.
• 47:41
  But yeah, $5000 for Tim there and also for Rebecca.
• 47:46
  So unreal payday. And the 10K before we get into
• 47:51
  the stream, etcetera. Was won by Dan Kanala in 30
• 47:54
  minutes. Dad by Max Shervington in 2nd.
• 47:57
  31-O2 Jonah, honey Canary, it's said 3148.
• 48:02
  The women Rachel McCormick won in a blistering 3524, followed
• 48:07
  by Amy Buckingham, 36 O 7, and Lauren Ramsden, third in 3718.
• 48:14
  So I think Owen, you were asleep whilst this was going on
• 48:20
  potentially. I know Dean and I were trying to
• 48:23
  stay in touch with what was going on despite Dean sent a
• 48:26
  photo like literally being in the air.
• 48:28
  So God knows what he was up to there managing to whether he had
• 48:32
  the bird's eye view or if he had some Wi-Fi going on up there, I
• 48:36
  don't know. But I voiced my opinion last
• 48:38
  week, like being rattled by not knowing what the elite field was
• 48:42
  for. I know it's not like a Sydney
• 48:45
  marathon, a Melbourne marathon, the Gold Coast, but like
• 48:48
  nevertheless the direction in which or like the, the
• 48:52
  blueprints that these marathons are laying out in terms of like
• 48:55
  how to structure your social media and like you, you pre
• 48:59
  race, build up and introduce the, the elites and stuff and
• 49:03
  build profile and build hype, build the storylines.
• 49:06
  It's there for everyone to see. Yes, Perth for some reason
• 49:12
  didn't follow suit. And yesterday, out of interest,
• 49:15
  I went down to the Expo because the stadium's very close to
• 49:19
  where I live and mainly because I'd seen on Instagram, I'd seen
• 49:24
  the Melbourne Expo and I was like, oh, looks like it's going
• 49:27
  to be a class atmosphere and stuff.
• 49:28
  I'll just go down to just be a bit of a run in there than be
• 49:31
  involved in it. And there's literally football
• 49:34
  there besides the bib collection, like some playing
• 49:37
  tables, couple of course maps, but like, no sponsors or, you
• 49:42
  know, like little pop up tents or like a stage or like some
• 49:46
  music or like anything to kind of make it more than just a
• 49:51
  transaction of picking up your bib.
• 49:53
  And then there was one desk which said most of them said bib
• 49:57
  collection. There's one desk which said help
• 49:59
  desk. So I went up to that desk
• 50:02
  because I clearly wasn't collecting A bib.
• 50:04
  And I said, oh, excuse me. Do you know, are there any
• 50:07
  international elites in the race?
• 50:10
  And the guy says, I'm sure there is.
• 50:12
  Yeah. And I was like, oh, I know this
• 50:15
  is like, quite random, but like, do you know who they are?
• 50:18
  Or do you have like, a list of anyone's names or anything?
• 50:20
  Like, I'm, I'm sorry that this seems like a bit of a weird
• 50:23
  question, but whatever. And it was just like, well, no,
• 50:29
  almost like, why would I? So at that point I realized it
• 50:33
  wasn't worth really like probing any further, so kind of just
• 50:37
  went away. Not knowing who was going to be
• 50:40
  on the start line until we put the.
• 50:41
  Stream on and then we see Matt Smith we.
• 50:46
  Already in a similar vein, I remember going to collect my
• 50:50
  beer and then asking about like drinks and this is 2 years ago
• 50:54
  and what I could do there and yeah, just got similar sort of
• 50:57
  blank stares in response. So pretty unsophisticated I
• 51:00
  think. And like this probably, what
• 51:04
  with the conversation around this is supposed to be like
• 51:06
  celebration of Perth run and stuff, which rightly so, it's
• 51:09
  the the massive event here. So kudos for putting it on and
• 51:15
  being what it is in the 1st place.
• 51:16
  But obviously we're just kind of highlighting areas where there
• 51:20
  is room for improvements. And it's receipt, it might be
• 51:24
  received as a criticism, but it's not intended as a
• 51:26
  criticism. Yeah, like so say four years
• 51:30
  ago, this was the Perth Marathon was run around footpaths, there
• 51:34
  was a much more modest fries pool, like it was a few
• 51:39
  volunteers run by the marathon club.
• 51:41
  Now it's like closing the major roads.
• 51:43
  It finishes inside a beautiful stadium, great prize money, like
• 51:47
  they've got streamer, like they've actually got a live
• 51:50
  stream for it. So what they're doing is great,
• 51:53
  but there's certainly for both the viewers that want to follow
• 52:00
  it as well as even like athletes.
• 52:02
  I think Hal's mentioned the first one, K, like K Mark as she
• 52:04
  saw was at 20 KS today and like like the timing mats.
• 52:09
  I think the timing mats for the marathon was something like 13.5
• 52:13
  kilometers, 23 and a bit kilometers and then 32.
• 52:17
  Like they made no sense. They weren't at your 5K split so
• 52:20
  it's hard to follow people. Hard for athletes to even work
• 52:23
  out what pacing they're on. Like you don't even know.
• 52:25
  I remember when I did it, you don't even know what the turn
• 52:27
  around point. Like you don't even know when 21
• 52:29
  KS is because you know your garments freaked out when it's
• 52:32
  gone through the tunnel. So things like that could make
• 52:35
  the athlete experience so much better and even the the stream
• 52:39
  itself. Ron, did you have any
• 52:42
  reflections on that? Yeah, so I was going to say
• 52:45
  fastly, like, kudos to them for even putting a stream on.
• 52:48
  Like, not lots of races, but there are races where there
• 52:52
  isn't a stream. So like when you see that
• 52:54
  there's a stream available, more often than not you're glad about
• 52:57
  it. But then Dean flicks the link
• 52:59
  through and it's actually done by an external streaming company
• 53:03
  called Streamer. And I don't know where the
• 53:07
  whether the responsibility lies with the commentator or the race
• 53:11
  organizers in terms of passing this information over.
• 53:15
  But the commentator didn't mention, I don't think anyone in
• 53:19
  the races name full stop. And the camera for 2 1/2 hours
• 53:24
  was so not solely, but 99% of the time it was from a lead bike
• 53:30
  which had the camera attached to the back of it pointing toward
• 53:32
  the lead man. And throughout the race, he was
• 53:35
  referred to as the lead man. And after they went through the
• 53:39
  first time and Matt, the kind of live results updated.
• 53:42
  So if you put two and two together, you can figure out who
• 53:46
  said lead man was, and it was Mr. Paul Iyani.
• 53:50
  So at least if he didn't know who he was on the start line, he
• 53:53
  should have known who he was after the first time in Matt and
• 53:55
  then could have referred to him as Paul Iyani.
• 53:58
  And then when Matt Smith is passing him around, OK, he could
• 54:03
  have been like, and Matt Smith, if he didn't know he's from
• 54:07
  Perth, that's fine. Doesn't need to know exact
• 54:09
  details, but he could have at least gave these people names
• 54:13
  rather than the second man has passed the first man.
• 54:16
  And that Matt's bib number was 2 so it wouldn't have been hard to
• 54:20
  like work out who he was from a list.
• 54:23
  Like it wasn't like 10,500 like that you couldn't see like it
• 54:27
  was bib #2 and clearly no knowledge of who the athletes
• 54:32
  were. Like there's no color given
• 54:34
  other than and the extreme itself.
• 54:36
  Like the quality of the? Stream was really good and the
• 54:38
  coverage of. Earth.
• 54:40
  It looks great, yeah. It just you weren't really given
• 54:43
  much insight and you contrast that with what you just saw a
• 54:46
  few hours before that with Melbourne and it's chalk and
• 54:48
  cheese. And you feel sorry for the
• 54:51
  commentator in a way because you don't know what arrangements
• 54:54
  have been put in place that so that he's doing it by himself,
• 54:57
  but he's almost been hung out to dry and that he's had 2 1/2
• 55:00
  hours to fill, literally speaking to himself.
• 55:03
  But then you would think, naturally you'd think, oh, well,
• 55:05
  OK, I'll go and like kind of find out who I might be speaking
• 55:09
  about or looking at for 2 1/2 hours.
• 55:11
  So lots of the time the commentator was actually on mute
• 55:14
  and we're just looking at Paul Ronan, which is nice because the
• 55:18
  sun was out and Paul Perth's pretty scenic place.
• 55:21
  But yeah, it almost leaves you thinking like, what do is that
• 55:26
  what's the actual point of having that stream there for
• 55:28
  that race today because didn't add anything?
• 55:33
  Is that your application for the job next year?
• 55:37
  And now I knew that in saying this because I was thinking
• 55:40
  about it earlier because I knew wants to say it, but I also
• 55:42
  didn't want to be like, well, I mean, let's be honest, if if you
• 55:48
  did do it, you could probably provide more information than
• 55:51
  that. But there's probably like a lot
• 55:55
  of pressure and stuff what comes with it.
• 55:56
  So you can sympathize with them. In that sense, I fancy myself to
• 56:02
  do a better job than today. Yeah, exactly.
• 56:06
  Well, hopefully we're running again.
• 56:08
  Well, I. Mean I don't mind.
• 56:09
  Exactly. Playing biz.
• 56:10
  I did an hour on the elliptical earlier and it was nice, but I
• 56:14
  wouldn't mind actually running on the ground at some point.
• 56:18
  I feel like we could maybe have placed in it as well.
• 56:20
  There I say. Yeah, I did say to you, was your
• 56:24
  blood boiling looking at these results this morning?
• 56:27
  We're seeing all the cash go off in flames potential.
• 56:31
  Yes, look. At that, then get it out.
• 56:33
  For saw with saw for life if I just got this hip working.
• 56:37
  Some of the listener feedback which came in on that as well
• 56:39
  was that there's complaints about the heat or like the time
• 56:43
  of year in which the race is held.
• 56:45
  But in previous episodes I think we've acknowledged that because
• 56:50
  of the stadium finish, which is, I want to say iconic because of
• 56:55
  what happened in the world champs.
• 56:56
  But again, the way in which it's used in Perth, they only
• 57:00
  actually run about 20 meters in the stadium before they finish.
• 57:03
  Like they could change that so that the stadium has more of an
• 57:06
  effect and that the athletes get to run around it.
• 57:09
  But that's why the race is held when it is because they can't
• 57:13
  access the stadium during the AFL season.
• 57:16
  Although that then leads me to think, well, is the opportunity
• 57:20
  to. Host it or.
• 57:22
  Finish it elsewhere, seeing as they don't actually use the
• 57:25
  stadium for the finish properly. And like, don't you think if it
• 57:28
  finished on around Langley Park, like you could create a proper
• 57:32
  festival atmosphere down there and people would hang around
• 57:35
  afterwards and you could have all your different marquee
• 57:37
  stalls, etcetera, etcetera. Because they they pay for the
• 57:40
  road closures anyway. So that's not the issue.
• 57:43
  But yeah, there's plenty of food for thought around all these
• 57:45
  logistics. Not that we have absolutely any
• 57:48
  say in any of it, we're just hear the comments.
• 57:51
  I think just yeah, like, you know, lots of lots of good
• 57:55
  things, right? Like, I mean, they've obviously
• 57:57
  done a big job just to get all the road closures and get the
• 57:59
  funding and the buy in from the state government.
• 58:02
  But you could certainly make it better again.
• 58:06
  That was one thing when I was cycling round this morning.
• 58:08
  I was appreciating the amount of staff that they must have had to
• 58:11
  put in place for an event like this with all the road closures
• 58:15
  to kind of enforce it, all the traffic management, let alone
• 58:19
  any of the stuff that are actually involved in the race
• 58:21
  itself. Yeah.
• 58:22
  And for context, I think it was like the Wednesday before when
• 58:25
  they sort of announced some prize money back in 2023.
• 58:29
  So 2022 it didn't happen or maybe it happened in a lesser
• 58:32
  capacity, but like 2023 was the first year they got some prize
• 58:36
  money. Like the the the events I
• 58:38
  suppose is still pretty much, I think the first year at round
• 58:40
  was 2018 and they only did a half marathon.
• 58:42
  There was no prize money at all. Like they've what they've turned
• 58:45
  it into, like with the marathon, with funding and stuff like
• 58:49
  that, it's only getting bigger and better.
• 58:50
  So yeah, fingers crossed next year it's better again.
• 58:56
  And you raise a good point in that it's young and it would be
• 58:59
  easy for them to dwell on that and be like, well, we can never
• 59:03
  be a Melbourne or a Gold Coast. But then you should take
• 59:06
  inspiration from how Ballarat have kind of like founded and
• 59:09
  immediately ticked all the right boxes and been like aggressive
• 59:13
  in their approach to want to make everything like amazing for
• 59:17
  the athlete experience. Yeah, I think if they had some
• 59:21
  people in their team like that, they would it would be a bit
• 59:25
  transformational. But there's, yeah, they're not
• 59:28
  too far off, but there's a lot of, there's some, certainly some
• 59:31
  things that they could they could do that the guys at
• 59:34
  Ballarat Marathon do that would make the athlete experience,
• 59:38
  yeah, bigger and better. Albeit I'm not sure where
• 59:40
  they're at in terms of capacity, but but you would certainly
• 59:44
  would certainly be nice to see some more Interstate athletes
• 59:46
  like we saw this year coming across, wouldn't it?
• 59:50
  Yeah, for sure. And again, I think maybe that
• 59:53
  might be down to like some of the profiling and the marketing
• 59:57
  of the race in itself because they they've got the foundations
• 1:00:00
  in place and that they offer prize money and there is the
• 1:00:03
  potential for. Guys to come over and take some
• 1:00:06
  of this prize money, but maybe they're just not even aware of
• 1:00:08
  it in the first place. Because when you look at the
• 1:00:11
  social media it's good and it's informative in that it like
• 1:00:15
  almost answers a lot of questions that will come to your
• 1:00:18
  mind if you'd registered for a marathon like bib collection
• 1:00:21
  like get into the events like parking.
• 1:00:25
  But now it's the afternoon of the race and as per the social
• 1:00:30
  media, we still don't know who's won any of the events.
• 1:00:32
  So just some of the profile and then maybe switch the lens to
• 1:00:37
  focus on other things as well would help.
• 1:00:41
  I I just need to drop off fellas for a for another work
• 1:00:45
  commitment, but look forward to hearing the rest of the chat and
• 1:00:49
  reconnecting later on. Thanks mate, enjoy.
• 1:00:52
  See you guys. Good luck Dean.
• 1:00:54
  Trying to get that, but then so Owen, he's left us in the lurch
• 1:00:59
  with the Afflow's meets. I think we can move on from
• 1:01:02
  Perth now. So Afflow's is a female only
• 1:01:09
  track meet in Houston, New York City.
• 1:01:11
  I think it's only in its second year, which is maybe why it's
• 1:01:14
  somewhat unfamiliar to me. So there was a series of races,
• 1:01:19
  100 meters, 200 meters, 100 herdles, 400 meters, 800 meters,
• 1:01:23
  mile and a long jump. Then if you saw they were doing
• 1:01:27
  the qualifying for the long jump in Times Square.
• 1:01:29
  So that was a mad one. I seen like videos of it, unlike
• 1:01:33
  Instagram, but I didn't know it was that at low stain.
• 1:01:36
  I thought it was pretty random. I think it is pretty random.
• 1:01:42
  However, the women's 800 meters. Let's talk about the results.
• 1:01:45
  Firstly was won by Keely Hodgkinson 15653, Georgia Hunter
• 1:01:50
  Bell team mates 2nd 15833 and Shakira Maloney of What's that
• 1:01:57
  nationality VIN abbreviation? I haven't a notion.
• 1:02:04
  I also don't recognize the flag, but usually I'm pretty good with
• 1:02:07
  flags because they're fussy. Venezuela.
• 1:02:10
  That's VU. Yeah, that's got like a sky blue
• 1:02:14
  I think in it as well, isn't it? She was third in one 57.
• 1:02:18
  While she looked through that, the women's mile was won by no
• 1:02:21
  other than Faith Kipiagon in 4/17/78.
• 1:02:25
  And for context on that time, if you draw your minds back to
• 1:02:29
  Paris earlier this year, Faith was trying to break the four
• 1:02:33
  minute barrier in that mile. Goudafsa Guy was second from
• 1:02:36
  Ethiopia in 4/19/75 and Nikki Hilt of the US A was third and
• 1:02:43
  4th 4th 32. Jeez, that was that's a big drop
• 1:02:47
  off from the 1st 243251. So some more information context
• 1:02:53
  around this event is that they've recently took on a new
• 1:02:56
  partner cash app. I think I'm familiar with them
• 1:02:59
  because they sponsor F1 onto it like the the blue, blue logo.
• 1:03:06
  And it's very clever of them because they've kind of marketed
• 1:03:09
  it as though obviously their payments provider and they're
• 1:03:13
  saying we'll make the prize money payment immediately to
• 1:03:17
  athletes and the prize money being 60 grand, 60,000 U.S.
• 1:03:20
  dollars. So it's a, it's that that's
• 1:03:22
  actually more than they win if they win the usual Diamond
• 1:03:26
  League. So it's good in that sense.
• 1:03:29
  And the the athletes were like double checking their account
• 1:03:32
  like after the race and they're like, yeah, 60 grand is in.
• 1:03:36
  So that's like such a good ploy from Cash App.
• 1:03:41
  There was also a 250,000 U.S. dollar bonus if anyone was to
• 1:03:46
  break the world record, which is outrageous.
• 1:03:50
  Unless you started your season incredibly late.
• 1:03:53
  Though I don't think anyone would have been breaking any
• 1:03:55
  world records like 3 or 4 weeks after the world champs when they
• 1:03:59
  would have been intending to peak.
• 1:04:02
  Shafiqa Maloney is from Saint Vincent which must be some
• 1:04:08
  remote island off somewhere Caribbean.
• 1:04:11
  The need for a female only track meet in the environment where
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  athletics and running gender is viewed as entirely equal anyway.
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  Think only perhaps tennis would be the other sport where like
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  men and women the the gender is almost irrelevant and people
• 1:04:29
  just respect the ability and fully invest in like the the
• 1:04:33
  athletes themselves. And the prize money is the same.
• 1:04:36
  Everything is equal. And it seems to be moving in the
• 1:04:39
  right direction in the growth of public buy in viewership, fans
• 1:04:45
  prize monies are growing, sponsorships, endorsements, blah
• 1:04:48
  blah. So it seems to be on the right
• 1:04:50
  track naturally. And then to just stick a women's
• 1:04:53
  only meet in there. I don't really understand the
• 1:04:56
  purpose of it. Obviously it's for female
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  empowerment and to lift up women's athletics.
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  But what I'm trying to say is that maybe don't think it needs
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  to be done. I don't know what what you think
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  about that, Owen. Like, like I do agree.
• 1:05:12
  Like, and I'm all for like women empowerment and all this.
• 1:05:14
  But like, running is such an inclusive sport.
• 1:05:16
  Anyone can do it. Like if you break the any world
• 1:05:20
  record or if you win any race, the women and men are paid the
• 1:05:24
  same. Like it's really unique in that
• 1:05:26
  way. So yeah, it is.
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  And I'm on the website here trying to find, like, what is
• 1:05:32
  like the purpose of this event? And it doesn't really say so.
• 1:05:39
  Yeah, I'm just not really sure about like, we might be missing
• 1:05:43
  something here. And that's why Dean is normally
• 1:05:45
  the man of reason. But yeah, I don't really see the
• 1:05:49
  point of it. Like, and I don't know, like
• 1:05:53
  what I'm what a male only me get the same reaction.
• 1:05:56
  I'm not. I don't know.
• 1:05:57
  But yeah, like, I love it. And I love the way like this is
• 1:06:01
  a more like achievable goal, like Grand Slam was like paying
• 1:06:05
  like ridiculous amount of money, whereas this one, it's actually
• 1:06:08
  reasonable and it's actually paying the athletes well.
• 1:06:11
  So like, I love the idea of this.
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  But yeah, I'm sort of with you on this one, right?
• 1:06:16
  And to be yeah, if they don't a male only one, I would look at
• 1:06:19
  it the same way. And I'll be like, what the hell
• 1:06:21
  is the point of that? Like, so if you almost remove
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  the fear of being scared of offending people because
• 1:06:27
  obviously it's a bit of a touchy subject like gender, and you
• 1:06:30
  just say, well, the threw in a male only track me.
• 1:06:34
  So you'd be like, what's the point?
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  Like you like seeing a man's race, then a woman's race, a
• 1:06:38
  man's race, then a woman's race. You like seeing all these
• 1:06:41
  athletes on the same day. It just doesn't make much sense
• 1:06:44
  because I haven't really engaged with it or didn't like have much
• 1:06:48
  incentives to get up and watch it.
• 1:06:51
  And I think that's because only being women kind of misses the
• 1:06:54
  point of like athletics. Yeah, I know that this they
• 1:06:58
  still have the star names like Keely's there, Faith, KP,
• 1:07:01
  Aegon's there. But sure, it's perfect for
• 1:07:03
  Keeley. Like this probably best case
• 1:07:05
  scenario, like she was rushing to peak for the world's and like
• 1:07:10
  she obviously obviously would have liked a longer season.
• 1:07:13
  So this way she actually gets another race and she gets like a
• 1:07:16
  shit load of money. So she's laughing.
• 1:07:18
  OK, I feel like we've maybe done ourselves justice in in the
• 1:07:23
  opinion, but I will end by saying like I'm very open to
• 1:07:27
  anyone providing more enlightenment as to like the
• 1:07:30
  actual purpose or why why the needs to be women's only meets
• 1:07:34
  because if there's a reason and I'm just missing it, then that's
• 1:07:38
  fine. Educate me.
• 1:07:40
  Absolutely. Moving on.
• 1:07:44
  Well. Yeah, I'll leave it there.
• 1:07:47
  Moving on from that, we now reach the news items Fem Cabal
• 1:07:54
  has announced via a dramatic YouTube clip, which is pretty
• 1:07:58
  cool that she's moving up from the 400 Herdles to the 800,
• 1:08:02
  which adds another dynamic to the clearly already very
• 1:08:07
  interesting women's 800 meters, given that Keely failed to win
• 1:08:11
  it. I think this is such good for
• 1:08:12
  the sport. Like, I feel like I love when at
• 1:08:16
  least it is like they feel like they've completed an event and
• 1:08:20
  want a new child. Like Fem Cabal could easily just
• 1:08:23
  do the 400 meter hurdles for the next like four or five years and
• 1:08:27
  win every single race. Like it's sort of like what you
• 1:08:30
  love about runners and athletes is like they're never satisfied.
• 1:08:34
  So like, she's going for a completely different night.
• 1:08:37
  Fair enough. Like you sort of need a good
• 1:08:39
  engine to do the 400 meter hurdles.
• 1:08:42
  And so, yeah, like, it's going to make it so much more
• 1:08:46
  interesting to see her lining up against Keeley and George,
• 1:08:51
  Hunter Bell and Mary Moore. And yeah, it's a lover.
• 1:08:55
  She's, like, so likable as well, isn't she?
• 1:08:58
  Like, you would fully get behind them.
• 1:09:00
  Wanted to do well, Yeah, yeah. She's such like a person and
• 1:09:06
  like, feel and like she, I feel like sitting with luck on her
• 1:09:09
  own, like she. Fair enough.
• 1:09:11
  She would have. She's just so far ahead of
• 1:09:13
  everyone in the 400 meter hurdles.
• 1:09:15
  And she then moved on to a new challenge and so opens up the
• 1:09:19
  door for like another athlete in the 400 mirror hurdles to sort
• 1:09:23
  of like compete and yeah, more for it.
• 1:09:27
  That's a good point. To be fair, maybe because we're
• 1:09:30
  not short distance runners ourselves, we don't understand
• 1:09:34
  the natural progression. But you know, the way people go
• 1:09:37
  from like 15 to 5K to 10K to the roads, etcetera.
• 1:09:40
  Or maybe this is a new thing which she's experimenting and a
• 1:09:44
  new natural progression for the short distance people.
• 1:09:48
  And like, I guarantee you she will run an unbelievable 800
• 1:09:51
  meters as well. Like she'll be near the pointy
• 1:09:54
  end of all these events. Yeah.
• 1:09:56
  For K Femka exciting another item on the news list.
• 1:10:03
  In fact, you want to give us some training, switch it off a
• 1:10:05
  bit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:07
  So this would have been my, my last sort of relatively large
• 1:10:12
  week. And because I do, there's this
• 1:10:14
  umm, awesome open competition, cross country competition on umm
• 1:10:18
  next Sunday in Dublin. So umm, it's basically like a, a
• 1:10:22
  warm up for nationals. So a lot of people like I know
• 1:10:26
  Athletics Ireland had this high performance running squad and
• 1:10:29
  it's all like the best distance runners in Ireland.
• 1:10:31
  They were all brought to umm fun for MO for the last couple of
• 1:10:34
  weeks. So all of them have been out
• 1:10:36
  there training. So now they'll all come home for
• 1:10:39
  UMM, It's basically the warm up for nationals.
• 1:10:42
  So nationals is the 23rd November.
• 1:10:44
  And so sort of like an indicator of like where you're at.
• 1:10:47
  And I think it goes towards points for UMM, like generally
• 1:10:52
  cross country, you can count that towards like a 10K results
• 1:10:54
  or something like that. I think I'm probably talking to
• 1:10:57
  Maris there. But umm, right.
• 1:10:59
  So is that local to you then? And hots like 20 minutes 25
• 1:11:04
  minutes away. That's good.
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, I'm lucky where I'm eleven, like I'm sort of
• 1:11:08
  central. So a lot of the big races are in
• 1:11:11
  Dublin now for nationals is up in Derry.
• 1:11:13
  So that's like in Northern Ireland.
• 1:11:15
  So and that'll be like 2 1/2 hours away.
• 1:11:17
  So I'll stay the night up there because it's not really advised
• 1:11:20
  that you travel 2 1/2 hours and then try and run a race.
• 1:11:23
  But distance. So cross country has moved down
• 1:11:26
  the distance. So it's now 7.5 K.
• 1:11:30
  So it used to be 10. So, umm, now like the Europeans
• 1:11:34
  is, I think the Europeans is some mad distance like 7000 like
• 1:11:37
  490 meters or something crazy like that.
• 1:11:40
  But I feel like it suits like the fast guys more like cross
• 1:11:43
  country is normally known as like a hard, long gritty grind.
• 1:11:47
  Whereas yeah, so it's 7 1/2 K won't suit me as much, but I am
• 1:11:51
  yeah. I don't know why they changed
• 1:11:52
  that. Brings a few more young chickens
• 1:11:55
  into it maybe. Exactly.
• 1:11:57
  So starting this week started on the 6th.
• 1:12:00
  I'm just trying to get it. Sorry.
• 1:12:01
  So Monday morning I did 45 minutes easy in the morning and
• 1:12:14
  with then some strides at the end and then just 45 minutes
• 1:12:18
  easy double in the evening. So just basically flushing the
• 1:12:21
  legs out from from the from the Sunday and Tuesday.
• 1:12:27
  Tuesday was sort of like my last sort of big crack session, let's
• 1:12:33
  say towards the race. And so I don't 45 minutes easy
• 1:12:36
  in the morning and then the evening I had eight by one K
• 1:12:42
  around like my local gravel track at roughly around 5K pace
• 1:12:47
  and off 90 seconds. What are they coming out as?
• 1:12:52
  And so not relevant because the gravel the ground no, so they
• 1:12:56
  were in and around. I'd say the average that like
• 1:12:59
  255 and the last three were I tried to push it on the 6th,
• 1:13:09
  survive on the 7th wrap and then push it again on the 8th.
• 1:13:13
  So it was 253-250-5247. So yeah, I feel like my fitness
• 1:13:21
  is sort of has improved recently.
• 1:13:23
  So it's just trying to stay healthy, which is usually
• 1:13:27
  wearing on the gravel. I am Cooper tears favorite the
• 1:13:31
  well streetfly 2. Oh yeah, because you'd just
• 1:13:35
  recently put purchase them or do were you influenced?
• 1:13:39
  No, I bought the man for like when I came home because I
• 1:13:41
  didn't want like a super shoe because I wasn't planning on
• 1:13:45
  racing like longer stuff. So and I don't like the big soft
• 1:13:49
  soles, like I just feel like it doesn't because you wore it for
• 1:13:53
  that road 10K, didn't you? Yeah, 10 mile.
• 1:13:56
  So yeah, I am the street fly and yeah, I like it.
• 1:14:02
  I feel like for them sort of track sessions, it's like a
• 1:14:04
  racing flat. So yeah, it's lovely.
• 1:14:08
  It's a nice shoe responsive. And Wednesday then like after
• 1:14:14
  the session I was pretty tired. So Wednesday I just done 60
• 1:14:19
  minutes on the bike in the morning and then in the evening
• 1:14:22
  I do my circus class. Thursday was sort of a longer
• 1:14:27
  run, so I'd done this all as one big massive chunk.
• 1:14:31
  So 15 minutes warm up, then 20 minutes at like the higher end
• 1:14:36
  of threshold and five minute jog, then 15 minutes at the
• 1:14:41
  higher end of threshold and then a 15 minute jog.
• 1:14:47
  So for the ONS there I'm hitting, I'm trying to hit
• 1:14:50
  around 3:20. So yes, just trying to get more
• 1:14:57
  just at that higher end to get my legs like dealing with that
• 1:15:00
  sort of more lactic. Yeah, because they're longer
• 1:15:03
  reps as well, aren't they? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:05
  And I feel like my legs do get flooded.
• 1:15:07
  So just try and get them dealing with it because cross country
• 1:15:10
  will sort of it's like a longer grind Friday rest day.
• 1:15:14
  And I get in my weekly massage now, which I feel like is a game
• 1:15:18
  changer. Like, I know everyone isn't
• 1:15:19
  fortunate enough to be in that situation, but my physio, David
• 1:15:23
  Ivers at them a boy sports therapy.
• 1:15:26
  He's really looking after me so good.
• 1:15:27
  I'm like, if I do anything here now in the next couple of
• 1:15:31
  months, years, a lot of it will be down to him.
• 1:15:34
  Just keep me, right. So, yeah, shout out to Dave.
• 1:15:37
  Did the just think the Cam Levin's chat And well, I know
• 1:15:41
  you already knew about the massage stuff because it's a
• 1:15:44
  driven series, but was that like a timely reminder for you?
• 1:15:48
  Yeah, it really like we only have such a like a short window
• 1:15:51
  in this sport and to like give it your all and I'm like, I may
• 1:15:56
  as well just go all in two feet. Like, yeah, basically like just
• 1:16:01
  try and give it your all and just see what I can do
• 1:16:05
  basically. So if a massage is just that
• 1:16:07
  little bit that will it's sort of like in my week, it's like a
• 1:16:09
  reset button. So if I can get to Friday and
• 1:16:11
  I'm all right, Friday's a reset button and then I'm fresh again
• 1:16:14
  for like the weekend. And yeah, so yeah, because the
• 1:16:18
  weekend often like as full time workers as well, that's where
• 1:16:22
  you get a lot of your high quality or big volume comes in,
• 1:16:25
  doesn't it? So if you're able to then hit
• 1:16:27
  that a little bit fresher, it's just compounding your gains.
• 1:16:31
  Yeah. So I'm like, and I do like
• 1:16:34
  majority of my mileage on the weekend.
• 1:16:37
  So really I can like put the feet up during the day of less
• 1:16:41
  stress not working. So, yeah, so the Friday reset is
• 1:16:46
  is really, really, really important.
• 1:16:48
  And Saturday then, which was yesterday, I had hills, so 15
• 1:16:52
  minute warm up. And then same as last Saturday,
• 1:16:55
  2 sets of 6 by 200 mirror hills, drawback recovery.
• 1:17:00
  And like hills just don't get easier.
• 1:17:06
  This was on the slight tougher gradient.
• 1:17:07
  So I was doing them all around like 34 seconds.
• 1:17:10
  But yeah, you just, they just fill your legs with junk and
• 1:17:16
  it's just not a nice feeling. And like between these have a 5
• 1:17:19
  minute jog between the sets. So that sort of flushes some of
• 1:17:23
  it out. But yeah, it's just, it's, it's
• 1:17:25
  rough. And actually coming on that
• 1:17:27
  Thursday run, I am, I nearly got hit by a van.
• 1:17:32
  So, umm, like it's pitch black and it's like a 25 minute jog to
• 1:17:37
  like like a sort of a village close to me that has lights lit
• 1:17:42
  up around the streets. So I normally jog there during
• 1:17:45
  my session and jog back home. But yeah, so and I like have a
• 1:17:50
  big massive like light on my head and I don't know, like
• 1:17:53
  people are just still half sleep at that hour in the morning.
• 1:17:56
  So he was like driving towards me and I like, I was like, OK,
• 1:17:59
  he's not really seeing me. So like half in the ditch.
• 1:18:02
  And then like at the last minute he like swerved out.
• 1:18:04
  So I put in the Irish part of the the clubhouse.
• 1:18:08
  Umm, any recommendations for like a high vis sort of like
• 1:18:11
  probably should be round one, but my big light is like if you
• 1:18:14
  look into the light straight ahead, like your eyes hurt like
• 1:18:16
  it's so, so bright. Umm, So yeah, I'm after ordering
• 1:18:21
  like a high vis sort of thing to wear.
• 1:18:25
  Umm, sure, sort sort of got one for you.
• 1:18:27
  Yeah. So if you're listening, yeah,
• 1:18:33
  that was my third yeah. So the treadmill isn't going to
• 1:18:35
  work out this year, so I'll just be well lit up and yeah, I'm
• 1:18:39
  probably going to get a gym membership or something come
• 1:18:42
  like when I, when the roads get like icy and I'll like just
• 1:18:45
  because you don't want to slip and like nail yourself.
• 1:18:47
  So how many more sort of like layers and clothes in your head
• 1:18:53
  now in the morning and at the minute.
• 1:18:55
  So it's actually not too bad at the moment, like 6° is cold for
• 1:18:59
  all them Aussie listeners, but it's actually like it's
• 1:19:02
  manageable here. So normally I just wear like a
• 1:19:05
  long sleeve T-shirt and like a normal T-shirt.
• 1:19:08
  And if I warm up, I like to like rogue up when I'm warm, when I'm
• 1:19:13
  warming up. So I like wear tracks bombs,
• 1:19:15
  like a jacket or something and then I just throw it off and
• 1:19:18
  throw it into a ditch. And that's the only good thing
• 1:19:20
  about where I live. Pardon any hat and gloves,
• 1:19:24
  gloves or I wear the arm sleeves because I've, umm, really bad
• 1:19:28
  circulation. Like my hands get like blue.
• 1:19:31
  I think I've borderline renoids like the circulation to my hands
• 1:19:35
  and toes is so bad. So yeah, I do wear gloves and
• 1:19:38
  all, but like it's not cold yet. Like it will get like 1 degree,
• 1:19:44
  0° -, 1° so, and that's all ahead of me.
• 1:19:48
  So yeah, not looking forward to that.
• 1:19:50
  But at the moment it's, umm, it's bearable and I think you're
• 1:19:54
  better off being too warmed and too cold and like a little thing
• 1:19:58
  I do. So like after any like session,
• 1:20:00
  I just bring a spare T-shirt. So I'm not like cooling down and
• 1:20:03
  like a sweaty or wet T-shirt. It's just a little like 1
• 1:20:07
  percenter just because it's not good like cool down and like wet
• 1:20:09
  clothes. So I'm just to prevent me again,
• 1:20:13
  like sick. Well, in my head that's what I'm
• 1:20:15
  doing. So that evening I just get out
• 1:20:20
  for a four or five minute jog as well.
• 1:20:21
  It's probably just to shake out the the junk from the hills.
• 1:20:24
  And now later today I've got 90 minutes, so my last long run and
• 1:20:28
  the last 20 minutes is at that higher end of of my threshold.
• 1:20:35
  So yeah, All in all, it will be, well I've 92 kilometers done
• 1:20:40
  now. I'll probably do another 20.
• 1:20:43
  So 100 and 1012 odd kilometers for the week, which is umm, it's
• 1:20:48
  not too bad. Can't wait for next week.
• 1:20:50
  Like on my taper week, I only have like one run a day.
• 1:20:53
  So I'm looking forward to a little bit of a lion and then
• 1:20:57
  racing on Sunday, see where I'm at.
• 1:20:59
  It's exciting. Will you just will you do a shoe
• 1:21:02
  change in your run today or just one pair?
• 1:21:05
  I'll do one pair. I'll do one pair and I really
• 1:21:08
  like like the shoe broke on me like straight away.
• 1:21:12
  But I love the Puma Velocity V4 because really light Poppy one,
• 1:21:18
  I feel like I can get moving in it, but like the actual Puma
• 1:21:21
  logo I wore for like the first run and I started coming off and
• 1:21:26
  so I'm just wearing it when it's like flapping.
• 1:21:29
  But I do love that shoe. I just wish it was better made.
• 1:21:35
  I probably just got unlucky with like the actual shoe, like a
• 1:21:38
  word of Romero's from my last week's long run.
• 1:21:41
  And like, I really don't feel like this is probably an
• 1:21:46
  unpopular opinion, but like don't make they do make a
• 1:21:49
  difference, but it's minor. I think we're so fixated on like
• 1:21:55
  super shoes, super shoes, super shoes.
• 1:21:57
  Whereas if you just like go and get rolling like.
• 1:22:03
  Just. Get out and do it like what was
• 1:22:04
  my last week's Sunday One SEC especially I think like in a
• 1:22:11
  session, you can afford to have the less aggressive or like less
• 1:22:17
  perform and shoe on because you can almost then look at your
• 1:22:20
  obsession and be like, oh, well, like I didn't have me racing
• 1:22:23
  shoes on. But then immediately in a race
• 1:22:26
  when you've got your racing shoes on, you're like getting
• 1:22:28
  paranoid like, oh, but I like I've got ticked all these boxes
• 1:22:32
  and I'm doing all these one percenters like I should be 5
• 1:22:34
  seconds. OK, quicker.
• 1:22:35
  But it doesn't always translate to giving you that much of an
• 1:22:39
  effect. No, like, yeah, yeah, I'm not a
• 1:22:44
  big like I love the shoes and all, but I think people are too
• 1:22:47
  fixated on them as well. Umm, but yeah, it's like I think
• 1:22:52
  my Sunday, last Sunday, I don't like 25 odd K and the average
• 1:22:55
  place is like 445 or something and a pair of Romero's and like
• 1:22:59
  I know like I'm probably like I am probably the fitest I've ever
• 1:23:03
  been. But yeah, I think shoes, I don't
• 1:23:07
  know, I feel like we're in a bit of an A market and whirlwind,
• 1:23:13
  like all the brands have got us exactly where they want us.
• 1:23:15
  And like we just, we haven't even got time to like actually
• 1:23:18
  think about what we're doing. We're just buying this shoe
• 1:23:20
  because it's released by the next shoes it's released on.
• 1:23:22
  Nike have done one, Adidas have done one.
• 1:23:24
  And then in a few years, once it all settles down, we'll like
• 1:23:27
  look back on this period maybe and be like fucking hell, like
• 1:23:30
  what we're playing out there. Just like buying all these shoes
• 1:23:33
  because they said they were good.
• 1:23:34
  Like the shoes can add like a few seconds like you're, but
• 1:23:40
  like that's a like a little percent.
• 1:23:42
  Whereas if you do the training and get the recovery, that is
• 1:23:45
  like the big percentages where you can gain from like the shoes
• 1:23:49
  are the last thing you think of. Like doing the training and
• 1:23:52
  getting the recovery is the main, like 90, like 5 percent,
• 1:23:57
  99 more 98% of what you can control and like has the most
• 1:24:03
  benefit. It's like the shoes are the last
• 1:24:05
  little sighting. That was like the icing on the
• 1:24:07
  cake. But I think if people just need
• 1:24:09
  to concentrate more on like recovering from the training and
• 1:24:12
  they'd see more benefits than wearing a super shoe that really
• 1:24:17
  like, you've probably. Yeah, I don't know, like if you
• 1:24:20
  rewind into like the ACS or the 9, there's no doubt there's all
• 1:24:24
  the the best runners then running their easy shoes into
• 1:24:27
  like the absolute ground, like the foam falling apart, peeling
• 1:24:32
  away and like the big two big toe poking through the floor of
• 1:24:35
  the shoe before they change it and stuff.
• 1:24:37
  Yeah, we've probably gone too far a little bit, haven't we?
• 1:24:41
  Wait, my coach is my coach's wife.
• 1:24:45
  Her father ran at the 1972 Olympics, right?
• 1:24:52
  So this is way before super shoes here on like 2.
• 1:24:55
  He ran a PB of 216, right? Like that is pre super shoe, pre
• 1:25:01
  nutrition shit and all that. Like just do the training and
• 1:25:05
  you will see like you can now like love to think like what
• 1:25:08
  could he have run like with nutrition with super shoes?
• 1:25:12
  Like God only knows, but I'm like he was still able to run
• 1:25:15
  216. None of that stuff like the
• 1:25:19
  training is the big, the big controllable that you can get
• 1:25:23
  the most out of. And he'd probably put like 300
• 1:25:26
  miles into the shoes that he wore to race that 260.
• 1:25:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:25:31
  Literally. So, yeah.
• 1:25:33
  Super shoes. Overrated, huh?
• 1:25:35
  Probably what's important to have is like a a small rotation
• 1:25:39
  in that you can go to like 234 different pair of shoes
• 1:25:44
  throughout the week and you can use them in the like right
• 1:25:47
  intended workouts, whether it's like recovery or you want to do
• 1:25:50
  a bit of faster stuff or whatever.
• 1:25:52
  But I think all the constant colourway upgrades and fucking
• 1:25:57
  one mil stack height upgrades and all this madness is a little
• 1:26:02
  bit crazy. Like I think for the average
• 1:26:04
  person, like I feel like we are like abnormal.
• 1:26:08
  We're at the weird end of the sport.
• 1:26:09
  But like for the average person, 2 pairs of shoes and an easy
• 1:26:12
  shoe and a fast shoe. And then if you want to have a
• 1:26:15
  racing shoe with a cabin plate, but you do not need the cabin
• 1:26:17
  plate majority an easy shoe and a fast shoe rotate between them.
• 1:26:22
  It stops you getting injured, it stops your legs going stale from
• 1:26:24
  running in one pair of shoes. And yeah, that's the way I'd be
• 1:26:28
  thinking about like, I think I've got way too many.
• 1:26:30
  I've got like 8 pairs of shoes. Umm, so like that's on the like,
• 1:26:37
  you don't need that many, let's be real.
• 1:26:39
  So umm oh, actually, oh, got lucky at last yesterday morning
• 1:26:43
  I looked normally when I get out of bed, I'll just look at the
• 1:26:45
  phone and like you get e-mail. I'm on to get marketing emails
• 1:26:48
  from like sports director. That's like in Ireland, that's
• 1:26:52
  when the shoe shops are like it'd be like rabble or something
• 1:26:55
  like that. And when the Sports Direct and I
• 1:26:57
  seen them like an end of summer sale and I went on and then I
• 1:27:02
  always just like filter straight to my shoe size.
• 1:27:04
  So like size 9 UK and then didn't they have a pair of Nike
• 1:27:08
  Structures so that Nike structure 25 if released 26.
• 1:27:11
  So the old version of Nike structure my size for 65 year
• 1:27:15
  old. So I was like you're going
• 1:27:21
  straight in my basket. They're on the way to Tara.
• 1:27:25
  They are on the way to Tara, yeah.
• 1:27:27
  So I'll hopefully have them for my little training camp coming
• 1:27:30
  up in a while. So yeah, I'm literally just
• 1:27:32
  going to Chuck them away. I don't really need them at the
• 1:27:34
  moment, but I love the shoe. There's absolutely no difference
• 1:27:39
  between the 26 and the 25. Like you could spend €130 on the
• 1:27:44
  26 and people probably would, but this is like a black and
• 1:27:47
  white pair of the 25. Exact same function.
• 1:27:51
  But yeah, so when I seen that for £65, I was like, yeah,
• 1:27:54
  you're coming home with me. Well, this is the other part as
• 1:27:57
  well. Another angle on that shoe
• 1:27:59
  stuff, Right? So there's probably never been a
• 1:28:02
  shoe that's been released where when it's released, there's like
• 1:28:07
  a bit of a scramble for sizes like the create FOMO.
• 1:28:10
  Like you want it, you might get lucky in a verse of commas and
• 1:28:13
  get it. And then six months later when
• 1:28:17
  the upgrade or the next version is released, the shoe that you
• 1:28:21
  were scrambling for and felt like you absolutely needed is
• 1:28:24
  then in the outlets on sale. The shoe is still the same shoe
• 1:28:28
  that it was six months ago. Like, what are we missing out on
• 1:28:31
  here? Yeah.
• 1:28:33
  And I think Nike are doing it so well now with the like the
• 1:28:38
  standard version, that plus and the premium, they've their
• 1:28:43
  tiered system. So like, like, fair enough.
• 1:28:47
  Like the shoe might be like a little bit more softer, have
• 1:28:50
  another air bubble. But for the consumer, like
• 1:28:52
  they're like, OK, I need this premium version like that from
• 1:28:56
  Mero Premium with the two air bubbles.
• 1:28:57
  I'd actually love to try it on and just go for a run, but
• 1:29:01
  because it looks crazy, but like, it's just something you
• 1:29:04
  don't really need. Yeah, and what they, what
• 1:29:09
  they're doing so well, they're fucking clever bastards is aware
• 1:29:13
  all about like having more access and visibility to like
• 1:29:16
  the elites and the pros and like what they're doing and how they
• 1:29:18
  live, they live their lives like fucking love all that stuff.
• 1:29:23
  But the brands are using that to then put it in front of your
• 1:29:26
  average runner. And we were like, picture your
• 1:29:31
  average park runner. They then feel like they relate
• 1:29:34
  to that runner and want to act how they act when in reality,
• 1:29:38
  the two lives are just 1,000,000 miles apart.
• 1:29:40
  And all these things that the pro do like don't really apply
• 1:29:44
  or need to apply to your person who's trying to run a 10 KPB.
• 1:29:50
  Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah.
• 1:29:52
  And like they, I feel like Nike have really pushed this from our
• 1:29:56
  premium by getting like the elite athletes to talk about it.
• 1:30:00
  Like you even see Seth O'Donnell, he's posted a video.
• 1:30:04
  I feel that is something Seth would never wear, but he's
• 1:30:07
  posted a video of him like talking about it and like
• 1:30:10
  wearing it and to prepare. It's such a unique looking shoe.
• 1:30:13
  Like it looks really cool. But I'd love to our easy double
• 1:30:16
  shoe correspondent Liam Stocky love to get him his opinion on
• 1:30:20
  all this sort of stuff. Yeah, that that's the only
• 1:30:23
  problem with all the all this content and material now Like
• 1:30:27
  it's hard to actually decipher what is authentic and what is
• 1:30:32
  like someone just being paid to give a good review of.
• 1:30:36
  Yeah, exactly. Like you don't know boss.
• 1:30:40
  Yeah, like there's so many like all the brands are such on a
• 1:30:42
  level playing field. It's it's it's sort of really
• 1:30:46
  like no, it's not sort of it is really confusing about what to
• 1:30:49
  buy like what you need. What's the difference between
• 1:30:51
  this shoe that shoe? The market is so flooded, but
• 1:30:54
  they must be making so much money.
• 1:30:56
  I wonder what's sore bring out a shoe wouldn't be able to afford
• 1:31:00
  it. Well, the shoe the shoe might be
• 1:31:02
  cheaper than the T-shirt with the way they're going to
• 1:31:05
  probably be like 10 grams light. Wouldn't you love to be in on
• 1:31:10
  like a board meeting around like strategy from one of these
• 1:31:13
  brands about like how they deliver these things to the
• 1:31:17
  consumer? Like what are they actually
• 1:31:18
  thinking about in terms of like consumer behavior and how do
• 1:31:22
  they manipulate us? We're probably aware of like 1%
• 1:31:26
  of it and we don't have an idea of what's going on.
• 1:31:28
  Like what they're saying behind the behind the closed doors.
• 1:31:32
  They're looking at my bank accounts and probably know how
• 1:31:35
  much I'm going to give them before I even get paid.
• 1:31:38
  We're suckers, especially runners.
• 1:31:39
  Like we just, I don't know, it's something like we just need that
• 1:31:43
  running shoe. Like I sort of have to hold
• 1:31:45
  myself back from buying like I want that AM.
• 1:31:48
  There's like an on training shoe.
• 1:31:51
  I forget what it's like the on zone Alfie man Torp raves about
• 1:31:55
  it and it's got like this Caribbean like wedge in the
• 1:31:58
  middle of it. But yeah, like I really, really
• 1:32:00
  want it. But then I'm trying to like call
• 1:32:01
  myself back saying, oh, and you really don't need this shoe.
• 1:32:04
  Like just chill. You've got loads of shoes.
• 1:32:07
  So yeah, I really enjoyed that shoe talk.
• 1:32:13
  Just to finish your training. We wait training week with the
• 1:32:17
  race next weekend. How can you expect to go there
• 1:32:20
  in terms of like the field depth?
• 1:32:22
  And does it mean anything for like qualifying for the
• 1:32:25
  nationals or anything like that? It means it's totally separate.
• 1:32:29
  So it means nothing towards like nationals, but it will be pretty
• 1:32:32
  deep. I'm expecting it to be pretty
• 1:32:34
  deep because there's like there's actually prize money
• 1:32:38
  Umm, so which is weird for cross country race cross country, umm,
• 1:32:41
  but with nationals top five qualify for the Europeans in in
• 1:32:46
  Portugal. So like that's where am I rich,
• 1:32:50
  But umm, it'll just be interesting to see like how far
• 1:32:53
  away I am from like that top group and because cross country
• 1:32:57
  sort of levels of playing field. So with the 5K nationals, like I
• 1:33:00
  was like a good minute behind the best.
• 1:33:02
  So, umm, it'll be interesting to see how far away I am from them
• 1:33:05
  on the grass when it should make the, it should make the playing
• 1:33:11
  field a little bit more level. So yeah, it will be really
• 1:33:14
  exciting. Well, especially on a year like
• 1:33:18
  this where there's a, a world cross country coming up.
• 1:33:21
  Because when I was in the agenda here, we've got all sorts on the
• 1:33:25
  cross country selection process and stuff.
• 1:33:27
  I don't know if we'll go into it properly now, but it means that
• 1:33:31
  essentially at the Irish National Cross, everyone is
• 1:33:35
  going to be there because they have the incentivized by
• 1:33:38
  qualifying for Europeans, which then will no doubt feed the
• 1:33:42
  qualifying for worlds. And all this is like nationals
• 1:33:47
  is when end of October or in November?
• 1:33:50
  The nationals is the 3rd of November.
• 1:33:53
  Yeah, OK. Because then the Europeans in
• 1:33:56
  Portugal like you mentioned is the end 14th of December,
• 1:34:00
  mid-december. Yeah, Mid-december, I think for
• 1:34:04
  him, us, the last World cross country was in was somewhere in
• 1:34:09
  Europe because Ireland didn't send anyone to the one in
• 1:34:14
  Australia. Did they know?
• 1:34:16
  No. So I think like if it's a
• 1:34:19
  reasonable distance, they might send them.
• 1:34:20
  So where's this next 10 Tallahassee in Florida.
• 1:34:24
  So yeah, it's a bit, I don't know if I will send to people
• 1:34:27
  because I know on that weekend is the same weekend as the
• 1:34:29
  Valencia 10K. So like I don't know if people
• 1:34:36
  would rather go to Valencia, get a super fast 10K time or go to
• 1:34:42
  like a world cross country in Tallahassee.
• 1:34:45
  Like is it warm over there at that time?
• 1:34:49
  I don't know, no idea. But yeah, it'd be interesting.
• 1:34:54
  Well, whilst we're here then we can talk about it briefly, the
• 1:34:57
  world cross country coming up in January in Florida and obviously
• 1:35:01
  we can look at Australia's selection, GB selection and
• 1:35:04
  island selection. So Australia have just announced
• 1:35:07
  their nationals, which is the 28th of November on a Friday
• 1:35:11
  night, Friday night on the lights in Stromlo, on the
• 1:35:15
  pristine golf course there that they run on.
• 1:35:17
  So there's a 10K distance from men and women, an 8K distance
• 1:35:22
  for the under 20 men, 6K for under 20 women.
• 1:35:25
  In terms of that race, the top 6 make up notice.
• 1:35:32
  That's it for the team. If Australia or whichever nation
• 1:35:36
  choose to send a full team to Worlds, it's an individual event
• 1:35:40
  as well as a team event. So Ireland will be representing
• 1:35:43
  the team and the individual represents themselves, tries to
• 1:35:45
  finish as high up as they can. And for the team score, you can
• 1:35:49
  send six people to represent and to race, but only the top four
• 1:35:53
  of that team count towards the team score.
• 1:35:56
  So two people will run but not actually count towards the team
• 1:35:59
  score, whoever finishes the lowest 2.
• 1:36:02
  So for Australia's qualification for that team, obviously there's
• 1:36:06
  six on the team and they've confirmed that only the top 2
• 1:36:10
  from these nationals in Canberra and Stromlo will be
• 1:36:13
  automatically selected for the team.
• 1:36:16
  Which then leaves all the subjectivity and almost
• 1:36:20
  different opinions to select the remaining four people, which I
• 1:36:26
  don't know why they do that really.
• 1:36:27
  This is like almost like very plain, you've got a nationals
• 1:36:34
  and you've got the race that it's being intended for like a
• 1:36:38
  month later. It's not an Olympic team, it's
• 1:36:41
  not a world championship team. So you can maybe just be a bit
• 1:36:44
  more strict with the process and be like, hey, top six at
• 1:36:47
  nationals, go to worlds in January, Bob's your Uncle Don.
• 1:36:51
  But there's there's four places for the selectors to exercise
• 1:36:56
  their power of choice and decision.
• 1:36:58
  So I've made a bit of a list of people who are in those spots
• 1:37:01
  and who aren't in those spots as it stands.
• 1:37:03
  And we can maybe follow this as it unfolds because at the minute
• 1:37:06
  the top 2 is qualification window which is again been
• 1:37:10
  outlined as only starting on the 1st of May this year, which is
• 1:37:15
  going to be like a six month window to get your 10K time
• 1:37:21
  which usually the window is 12 to 18 months.
• 1:37:23
  So this. List as it is now.
• 1:37:26
  I'm sure isn't reflective of the actual best in order of the top
• 1:37:29
  6K runners. So the that qualification period
• 1:37:34
  started on the 1st of May. Yeah.
• 1:37:36
  So how many 10 KS is there between in this six months?
• 1:37:40
  Like, absolutely. Not many at all.
• 1:37:44
  Well, that's it. And it makes me think didn't
• 1:37:47
  have the insight to do the research on this.
• 1:37:49
  But like, has that date been set deliberately?
• 1:37:51
  Because maybe like a couple of people's times were in March or
• 1:37:55
  in February. So like put drawing the line
• 1:37:57
  there may discount them. You'd hope not.
• 1:38:01
  But Izzy's run five since then. By the way, has she OK?
• 1:38:06
  Nevermind. Yeah.
• 1:38:11
  So we'll follow that journey as it goes.
• 1:38:12
  The GB selection is a little bit different.
• 1:38:15
  They don't have any formal trials and what they do have is
• 1:38:18
  the Liverpool cross country challenge in November and that
• 1:38:23
  is being used to build the team for Europeans as Owen just
• 1:38:27
  mentioned. And then placements or finishing
• 1:38:31
  Europeans is being used for the world selection.
• 1:38:34
  But again, similar to Australia almost in that there's a lot of
• 1:38:38
  complexity and almost like get out clauses rather than just
• 1:38:42
  saying whoever finishes in these positions will go.
• 1:38:45
  And there is also like the blatant statement of at all
• 1:38:49
  times, the panel's consideration for selection will be based on
• 1:38:52
  the meeting perform, meeting the performance objectives of the
• 1:38:55
  championships, not on filling event places.
• 1:38:59
  The panel is not obliged to fill all places.
• 1:39:01
  So no doubt there that is an early warning sign that GB will
• 1:39:06
  not be sending a full team over to America.
• 1:39:09
  Surprise, surprise, what they will be doing, as they
• 1:39:11
  confirmed, is sending a full team down the road to Birmingham
• 1:39:14
  for Europeans next summer. It's a bit cheaper, isn't it?
• 1:39:18
  You might think so. Come here with the Liverpool.
• 1:39:22
  Could I go across the pond and. Run that Liverpool.
• 1:39:26
  Cross country challenge or is this strictly like UK club?
• 1:39:29
  Yeah, and I think I think you can.
• 1:39:31
  OK. Yeah, it's it's held in Sefton
• 1:39:35
  Park and it's very subjective as to the weather leading up to it,
• 1:39:38
  whether it's a shit show or it could even be like frozen over.
• 1:39:41
  Obviously same with yourself, I guess.
• 1:39:44
  Is them that close to you? So Sefton parks, like just on
• 1:39:48
  the perimeter of the city. So, yeah, probably taken me like
• 1:39:52
  20 minutes to drive there, not from Australia, but from mine.
• 1:39:56
  So if I used to possibly go over and run that, there's a there's
• 1:39:59
  a bed for me in Wellesley, is there Wallasey?
• 1:40:03
  Yeah. Joanna to make you a cup of tea
• 1:40:06
  and some toast, I'm sure. Yeah, I'll keep that in mind.
• 1:40:10
  Yeah. No, you should do.
• 1:40:11
  Well, even some of the lads from the.
• 1:40:14
  Club that I'm a part. Of no.
• 1:40:15
  Doubt with them. Put you up and host you and then
• 1:40:18
  take you over there. You could all race together for
• 1:40:21
  some real cross country, huh? I'll I'm not going to train a
• 1:40:24
  week. I bought a new bike this week
• 1:40:26
  though. I've upgraded from the fucking
• 1:40:28
  gravel machine to now some absolute Rd. beasts.
• 1:40:31
  So properly and into the cyclist life.
• 1:40:34
  Yeah. What type is that?
• 1:40:36
  Because I know Tommy Cross was selling on a pretty a road bike
• 1:40:39
  for a pretty hefty price and I know they can be more expensive
• 1:40:44
  than cars. So have you have you cashed out
• 1:40:46
  on this one or is it a reasonable price?
• 1:40:50
  Well, the first one that I bought was 1100.
• 1:40:53
  Dollars the gravel. One and then that is still sat
• 1:40:57
  on the balcony but I need to sell it so if anyone likes red
• 1:41:00
  and gravel and WA get in touch it's a giant revolt too and then
• 1:41:04
  this one that I've just bought is also a giant a giant TCR
• 1:41:09
  advanced or something so as you can guess the word advanced puts
• 1:41:12
  a bit more cost into the equation yeah but it's just like
• 1:41:16
  loads of gears just an all around better ride is it it's
• 1:41:20
  fucking weighs like a feather yeah carbon yeah you can really
• 1:41:25
  get going on it so yesterday that this is the only thing I
• 1:41:28
  wanted to mention about my training I joined this local
• 1:41:31
  group called the chain reaction training or something when I met
• 1:41:36
  them at a coffee shop in Subiaco 6A yesterday morning for A65K
• 1:41:42
  loop. And she hasn't realised, like,
• 1:41:45
  some of the politics and like, formalities involved in cycling.
• 1:41:48
  It's not like just just go for a long run.
• 1:41:51
  There's all sorts of like unwritten rules around, like
• 1:41:54
  where you can be placed and when you can overtake and all this.
• 1:41:57
  So it was quite, it's quite overwhelming for a novice
• 1:42:00
  cyclist who just wants to go out and send it as hard as he can
• 1:42:03
  and get his heart rate off. Thanks.
• 1:42:06
  Have have you been going physio? Yeah, but it's with Steve and
• 1:42:11
  he's like so hard to get an appointment.
• 1:42:13
  With SO. I'm in between the initial
• 1:42:15
  consultation. I'm a follow up at the minute.
• 1:42:18
  The follow up is in like a week or so now, but I've been doing
• 1:42:22
  all the stuff that he sent me, Jim, three times a week.
• 1:42:25
  So I'm somewhat hopeful that maybe when I see him again, we
• 1:42:30
  can, I don't know if we'll start to walk, run, but at least
• 1:42:35
  increase the stress or the load that we're putting through it.
• 1:42:38
  Like definitely we're on a slow linear progression now,
• 1:42:44
  hopefully. I think because I've been.
• 1:42:45
  Doing high step count and like doing the pain scores in the
• 1:42:49
  morning and stuff to make sure that it's not get going crazy
• 1:42:53
  and it's not to be fair. So this is the point.
• 1:42:57
  A couple of months ago I was almost like I've lost hope of
• 1:43:00
  giving up, but now I'm starting to see like a little bit of
• 1:43:04
  optimism and optimism and stuff. So I need to be careful now not
• 1:43:09
  to like go too far that way and try and start to rush it, you
• 1:43:12
  know what I mean? But you're in no rush as well.
• 1:43:15
  Like yeah, exactly. Just yeah, do what he says.
• 1:43:19
  The cycling is going to get you so fit at least you've like a
• 1:43:21
  good rig under you now which helps a lot.
• 1:43:24
  So like you'll be so aerobically fit you just need your legs then
• 1:43:29
  to. Condition your legs so.
• 1:43:32
  Yeah, I wouldn't be too worried anymore.
• 1:43:33
  Once the pain is like not there anymore, it's almost going to be
• 1:43:39
  like a process of sleepwalking through it and then waking.
• 1:43:42
  Up and being like. Wow, I'm up to like 60 minute
• 1:43:45
  runs. What the hell?
• 1:43:45
  Like we're doing walk runs like 4 weeks ago, you know, just
• 1:43:50
  almost not thinking about or like doing a full training week
• 1:43:53
  and just do walk for 5 minutes, jog for one minute.
• 1:43:58
  And then by the end of four weeks, like you're back and
• 1:44:00
  you're like, shit, how'd this happen?
• 1:44:03
  But the worst thing is like the phantom pain, like sometimes
• 1:44:06
  you're so you're just waiting for that pain to come and like I
• 1:44:10
  sort of get it on my knee sometimes where I think it's
• 1:44:12
  sore. But then like after drawn, it's
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  like Grant and I don't feel it touch wood.
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  But yeah, like that's the it's more like the mental battle of
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  like it's so mental. It's just to get over and just
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  it's not there anymore. I just need to get on with it.
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  But no, at least there's improvement.
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  Yeah. Well, what I initially thought
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  was I because like first proper injury, I thought that you, you
• 1:44:38
  needed everything to be like completely clear, no pain.
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  But you have to like stress it a little bit and see how it reacts
• 1:44:45
  to kind of like see where you are.
• 1:44:47
  So a little bit of pain is almost good.
• 1:44:50
  And like in a sense and like your body will adapt to a
• 1:44:55
  certain extent. Like your body will adapt to
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  find it's the most efficient way to like reduce the pain and all
• 1:45:03
  that sort of stuff, but only to a certain extent.
• 1:45:05
  Like if it's, yeah, it's just managing that load and they
• 1:45:08
  return to run. And like you're in such good
• 1:45:11
  hands with Steve. So like he knows what he's
• 1:45:13
  doing. It's a bit like doing a dot to
• 1:45:16
  dot or a ladder. Like you go forward a little bit
• 1:45:19
  backwards a little bit, forward a little bit backwards a little
• 1:45:21
  bit. But then after a couple of
• 1:45:23
  weeks, you're backwards will be like a 2 out of 10 pain score on
• 1:45:28
  a 45 minute run and you're like, oh shit, that was a 2 out of 10
• 1:45:31
  pain score on a 8000 step day a few weeks ago.
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  It's almost just like time. Remove the emotion and do the
• 1:45:40
  process exactly what you have to do.
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  Oh yeah. So this ride and then we can
• 1:45:46
  wrap it up. The the first thing was I'd only
• 1:45:50
  got my flipping shoes the night before.
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  So first time ever wearing them going out on this ride maybe
• 1:45:57
  overlooked underrated the importance of like being
• 1:46:00
  comfortable in what the Hell's the word like on clipping or
• 1:46:04
  whatever. I can just pick you in your
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  house. Well, Becky, they're looking at
• 1:46:08
  you trying to clip and on clip. Well, I was sat on the balcony
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  at like 10:00 Friday night, like couple of clicks in the dark and
• 1:46:17
  me naively thinking, oh, yeah, I'm fine.
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  So rolls up 6:30 AM and everyone's like kind of like
• 1:46:24
  just stood there gathered round, like straddling their bike
• 1:46:28
  waiting. And obviously I didn't know
• 1:46:30
  anyone there. And because it's 1 so early in
• 1:46:33
  the morning and two, unclipping my foot from the pedal isn't
• 1:46:38
  second nature. Usually you just lift your foot
• 1:46:40
  off and you put your foot down. And because I hadn't like
• 1:46:44
  prepared mentally as I'm rolling to a stop, like, OK, you need to
• 1:46:48
  because you have to like slide your ankle rather than it's like
• 1:46:53
  a, the movement starts in your ankle, so you move your heel
• 1:46:58
  out. So you can't just like lift out.
• 1:47:00
  So you've got a bit. It's a deliberate action, you
• 1:47:02
  know what I mean? So then I haven't thought about
• 1:47:05
  that, but then I'm like, shit, I'm now static.
• 1:47:08
  I've got like half a second to get my foot off this thing and
• 1:47:13
  the bike started going slightly and thankfully literally like
• 1:47:18
  1/10 of a second away of a, I've been able to plant my force, but
• 1:47:22
  I've half fallen. So everyone's like looking at me
• 1:47:25
  like, what the fucks this guy doing?
• 1:47:30
  So you didn't fall. It didn't fall, no.
• 1:47:32
  But it wasn't a good start. My heart rate was immediately
• 1:47:35
  sky high off that. And then they've done this thing
• 1:47:40
  called rolling. So like the red say there's 20
• 1:47:45
  in a group, they wrote the road 10 by 2 deep, if that makes
• 1:47:49
  sense. Like shoulder to shoulder for 10
• 1:47:51
  people and then the outside group would always be travelling
• 1:47:54
  faster. So and then they would cut in,
• 1:47:57
  he would cut in, he would cut in.
• 1:47:59
  So like the. Outside group.
• 1:48:01
  Is always making the line longer and then the one who's at the
• 1:48:04
  back pulls out and starts the process again, but like a
• 1:48:07
  conveyor belt and you're all moving forward.
• 1:48:10
  And I didn't realize that when I was getting to the front, I was
• 1:48:13
  apparently like, because you have to accelerate to obviously
• 1:48:17
  get to the front and then you become exposed to the wind.
• 1:48:19
  So you have to try even harder. And I was then gap in the group
• 1:48:23
  by like 5 meters and some some old boy gave me like a yellow
• 1:48:28
  card. He was as he went past me was
• 1:48:30
  like stay off the front for 5 minutes.
• 1:48:34
  What? I can't believe this is like
• 1:48:36
  what happens. It's like.
• 1:48:38
  Mate it's all still new to. Me because apparently, like the
• 1:48:44
  the purpose of you go into the front as you're meant to take
• 1:48:48
  the person behind with you, like you're not trying to like break
• 1:48:51
  anyone or yeah, yeah, it's not about you.
• 1:48:53
  It's about the team. So Dean wouldn't be good gap in
• 1:48:57
  them. Oh yeah.
• 1:48:57
  Dean with them. I'm way off the front like
• 1:49:00
  making them feel the pain. But I walked away.
• 1:49:02
  I came away from it a bit like, oh, I didn't realize exercise
• 1:49:05
  could be like so processed and so like limiting like I just
• 1:49:09
  wanted to have a good, good hit out.
• 1:49:10
  But I feel like that's the good thing about running.
• 1:49:13
  You can just, yeah, I don't know, please yourself.
• 1:49:16
  Yeah, basically. But no fair play for doing that.
• 1:49:19
  I feel like that's so far on my comfort zone.
• 1:49:22
  I don't I just I don't think I wouldn't be able to do what you
• 1:49:25
  do No fair play. That's good fun and I reckon.
• 1:49:30
  That's the episode there because we're.
• 1:49:32
  Going on 2 hours YouTube Diaries we can roll for next week.
• 1:49:36
  Oh sure, just quick a quick one and and to be cannon set up.
• 1:49:41
  YouTube his. The first one he's YouTube he's
• 1:49:44
  released is is he's an ambassador for this race in Port
• 1:49:47
  Douglas. So it's just about that.
• 1:49:50
  And then he's just mostly talking.
• 1:49:51
  Yeah, but and he's doing in the build up to and Valencia.
• 1:49:55
  So people get subscribing to that one and it'll be
• 1:49:59
  interesting to see how he rolls there.
• 1:50:03
  Yeah. Keen to see his recovery journey
• 1:50:06
  and. I think have to might have said.
• 1:50:08
  He's going for the Australian record in, in Valencia.
• 1:50:11
  You know, I wouldn't put it past that kid.
• 1:50:13
  He is. It's crazy how under a he did
• 1:50:16
  right under a he is like. Yeah, now have.
• 1:50:20
  To the world is at his feet, he can do whatever he wants.
• 1:50:24
  So Andy be going there not only like trying to better his own
• 1:50:28
  record. But also.
• 1:50:29
  Feeling like he might need to defend his record, Which it's
• 1:50:32
  crazy how it turns, isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:50:34
  So first was right now Andy, now have to.
• 1:50:36
  Yeah. I'd love to go off to Valencia
• 1:50:38
  for that race. It'd be so good just to watch
• 1:50:40
  it, even though it's any better watching on TV.
• 1:50:42
  It's sort of like the F1. Like going to the F1 is cool,
• 1:50:45
  but you miss so much of it. Like, it's nearly better, like
• 1:50:48
  watching on TV and get in the commentary.
• 1:50:52
  Yeah, that would be an. Unreal trip for you to.
• 1:50:57
  Be even better. If you're in the race, but it's
• 1:50:59
  a. Shame that they don't do like
• 1:51:00
  the half on the same weekends. You could do the half and just
• 1:51:02
  be involved. I just can't justify.
• 1:51:04
  I'm going to Valencia and descent in January for the 10K.
• 1:51:08
  So like I can't go like start December and January if it would
• 1:51:12
  be cool if it's like a weekend sort of thing.
• 1:51:14
  And the best at least, even though like I know Sony athletes
• 1:51:17
  will do every single on them. They'll do the half to fall
• 1:51:20
  under 10K. But now, yeah, did you see the
• 1:51:23
  end of Clayton's, like, post Tokyo wrap up video?
• 1:51:28
  And he's like, you know, the video where he's like explains
• 1:51:31
  his fall and blah, blah. Yeah.
• 1:51:32
  And he says, I've had Valencia's nice in December and then just
• 1:51:36
  cuts. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:38
  Like everyone is going to be there.
• 1:51:40
  If a sponsor, if a sponsor wants to hop on board and we'll do a
• 1:51:44
  live podcast out there, send Team Island there, the
• 1:51:47
  unofficial Team Island. I say this is the end of the
• 1:51:53
  podcast, but we're going to. Hopefully slip some.
• 1:51:55
  Chicago chat and after the end of this yeah so it will go in
• 1:51:59
  right here right guys? And now we'll just get to the
• 1:52:05
  Chicago. Results.
• 1:52:06
  So it's. Been a couple of hours now,
• 1:52:08
  Chicago's finished and Ryan and Dean are tucked away in bed.
• 1:52:13
  So I said I do this one solo, but Chicago, being in Chicago,
• 1:52:18
  it's renowned for its fast times.
• 1:52:19
  It's a pretty flat course. The only thing that can really
• 1:52:22
  mess you up is the weather. And look at the times like it
• 1:52:27
  looked to be in a pretty reasonable weather in the men's
• 1:52:31
  and. Jacob.
• 1:52:32
  Kaplimo Umm the world record holder in the half marathon.
• 1:52:36
  He won it in a. 2/02/20. Three and second was Amos
• 1:52:41
  Kipruto from Kenya IN20354 and 3rd was Alex Masai IN20437.
• 1:52:49
  In fourth was your boy Connor Mance from the USA with a 20443,
• 1:52:56
  which is a new American record. So that will go down well with
• 1:53:01
  the Americans. Other notable mention was Rory
• 1:53:04
  Linklater who got a new PB of 20649.
• 1:53:08
  He came ninth, which was yeah, again, a massive, he's at a
• 1:53:12
  massive year this year. But yeah, Connor Mance 20443 he
• 1:53:17
  have to be happy with that like a tool like sub 205 is.
• 1:53:20
  Just a totally. It's another world again in in
• 1:53:26
  marathoning. So for reference he was
• 1:53:30
  averaging like sub three minute kilometers nearly the whole way
• 1:53:35
  through his last. He was hurting in the end but
• 1:53:39
  like it ranges from his fastest 5th like miles that was like.
• 1:53:47
  In kilometer pace was 258. 25525K like he was moving so
• 1:53:53
  well so to finish it with 20443 like it's incredible.
• 1:53:59
  And Jacob Kapimo on the other side, he he started hurting as
• 1:54:03
  well. He popped hard at the end, but
• 1:54:05
  he just had enough to hang on like he A40K he was running
• 1:54:10
  three O 8 at the mile 25. He was 321 kilometer pace and a
• 1:54:16
  mile 25.2 he was 327. So he was hurting in the end,
• 1:54:21
  but he just had enough. He had enough to hang on in the
• 1:54:24
  end. So fair play to fair play to
• 1:54:27
  good old Jacob and his and his. Agent, we'll.
• 1:54:31
  Leave it at that. So the top.
• 1:54:34
  Three men in this one. Were Connor man's #1 Wesley Kip
• 1:54:37
  2. He ran two O 9 and then Ryan
• 1:54:40
  Ford, Wesley Kup 2 round 2O9O2 and Ryan Ford round two O 937.
• 1:54:46
  So I'm not sure on them guys, but that's your top three
• 1:54:49
  Americans now the women, umm, Hawaii facea.
• 1:54:55
  Geisha. From Ethiopia she won in a 21456
• 1:55:00
  second was mayor get to I'll remove.
• 1:55:04
  I'm so bad at these names. But anyway, you know she's
• 1:55:07
  Ethiopian. Again 217. 18 and 3rd was
• 1:55:11
  Magdalena Shiru from I'm not even going to.
• 1:55:15
  I don't know where she's from to be honest.
• 1:55:17
  In A-218-O3. And.
• 1:55:21
  First American was Natasha Rogers from the USA 2/23/28 So
• 1:55:28
  your top three American in this one were Natasha Rather Rogers
• 1:55:32
  2/23/28, then Dakota Poppin in a 2/24/21 and.
• 1:55:40
  Gabriella Rucker. IN22634 So on the women's side,
• 1:55:46
  like that's still like 214 is unbelievably going.
• 1:55:48
  It's only for that Ruth chap and get it like the 209, obviously
• 1:55:52
  she got done, but her record still stands.
• 1:55:54
  But like that's the anomaly and a Safa ran, I think a Safa ran
• 1:55:59
  211, which is sort of an outlier as well.
• 1:56:02
  But like that 214 is sort of like it's a savage run.
• 1:56:06
  And again, her splits were she went through halfway in 6730 and
• 1:56:15
  then she was pretty even like she held on well.
• 1:56:22
  So that is eh. Hawaii face A.
• 1:56:26
  Geisha yeah, so in the lads, Connor Mance went through
• 1:56:30
  halfway in 6219, which is just crazy.
• 1:56:36
  Jacob Colbimo went through halfway in 6016.
• 1:56:44
  So yeah, like again, different level.
• 1:56:48
  That is Chicago definitely one on on my bucket list and just
• 1:56:54
  getting over there would be yeah.
• 1:56:56
  Like the American crowds are meant to be unbelievable.
• 1:56:58
  But I'm sure Ryan and Dean would love to do it as well.
• 1:57:00
  But I'm yeah. So Chicago's on.
• 1:57:02
  New York's coming up pretty soon.
• 1:57:04
  When's New York coming off? And New York Marathon, New York
• 1:57:07
  Marathon 2025. When is it is November 2nd.
• 1:57:11
  So that's the next. That's the next big one.
• 1:57:15
  So, yeah, but that is Chicago. That's the results wrap up.
• 1:57:21
  Umm, just, yeah, guys, thanks again for listening to us.
• 1:57:25
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• 1:57:28
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• 1:57:33
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• 1:57:45
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• 1:57:48
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• 1:57:50
  We'll go again. I'll talk to you.