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How AI Is Changing Basketball · A Quick Timeout

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We here in the college basketball world are in the thick of
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things with the transfer portal.
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SPEAKER_01: It can be a maddening time for a lot of coaches.
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Combine the portal with traditional recruiting and roster
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building can be a
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SPEAKER_01: complete nightmare for coaches.
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SPEAKER_01: Today's guest is here to help all that.
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SPEAKER_01: Marcus McGovern is the founder of Portal Vision,
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a tool for coaches to help with roster management in the modern
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era of college
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SPEAKER_01: basketball.
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SPEAKER_01: Marcus, welcome to the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Tony, I appreciate you having me on.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to be here.
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SPEAKER_01: Can you start with the elevator pitch for Portal Vision?
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if you're struggling with speed efficiency and decision making
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in the portal this
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is the platform to help you maximize that portal window how
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much of roster building
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has changed even in like the last couple years and why are so
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many of the college
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SPEAKER_01: basketball programs still kind of lagging behind in that entire process
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a good question i think there's just it's always tough to adapt
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to new things and
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certainly college basketball coaches are are not immune to that
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growing up with a
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college basketball head coach for a father i've seen firsthand
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how they can be a
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little bit slower to adapt to new things than the usual person
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but it's the biggest
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SPEAKER_00: thing that's that's i've seen in terms of change is just how much time
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effort and energy you have to spend to building your roster
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it's no longer just
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that portal window it's no longer just maybe a couple months
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before it's truly a
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year-round process now you have to have some portion of your
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staff devoted to keep
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an eye on that year-round 365 it doesn't stop so the earlier
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you can get on that
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SPEAKER_00: the better that has been the uh the example for me
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Now,
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I made a post about this on Twitter the other day,
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and I had some coaches reply to it.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a comment that was made.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't need a software program to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what your eyes are supposed to be for.
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SPEAKER_01: Even in your philosophy of what you guys are doing,
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SPEAKER_01: it's to build to support the eye,
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SPEAKER_01: not to replace it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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And that person is 100 percent right in the context of which
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they mean their their comment.
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SPEAKER_00: I agree with them.
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And that's why the way we built this is to it's built to
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support that coach's eye.
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It's built to support that coach's instinct to support their
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decision making.
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SPEAKER_00: We're not trying to replace it with putting a number on the screen.
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SPEAKER_00: We're not trying to boil things down to the lowest common denominator.
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What we're trying to do is give them a platform that turns
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themself and their
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SPEAKER_00: entire staff of how many are using the platform
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SPEAKER_00: into a GM.
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It's like adding a GM without the cost of adding a GM or it's
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like adding an
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SPEAKER_00: assistant coach without the massive expenditure,
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SPEAKER_00: health insurance,
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SPEAKER_00: all that stuff that goes with it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like adding another staff member to your staff without that.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're not trying to replace their instinct.
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We're simply trying to give them a comprehensive tool to help
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them find that
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SPEAKER_00: information faster,
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surface the information and give them info that will help them
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make actionable
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SPEAKER_00: decisions in an instant.
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SPEAKER_01: I want coaches to be able to see this.
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SPEAKER_01: And so let me go ahead and have this added to the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're only listening to this,
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SPEAKER_01: this is available over on the YouTube page,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'll be sure to link that down in the comments.
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SPEAKER_01: Why don't you,
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SPEAKER_01: Marcus,
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go ahead and just kind of talk through even some of the things
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that you just
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SPEAKER_01: mentioned,
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SPEAKER_01: what it looks like within the program,
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SPEAKER_01: and then other things that you feel like will be helpful.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'll add some questions to along the way.
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sure so what you're looking at here is the dashboard what
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people are going to see
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this is my demo account this will be branded for whatever
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school or program is
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signed up with this so you're not ever going to see portal
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vision anywhere on here
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except for at the login page we wanted this to feel like home
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for programs we
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wanted this to feel like this has been a tool that's been with
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them for some time
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now not something that's brand new to them so it'll be branded
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for their school
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SPEAKER_00: quick overview of the dashboard here you've got your
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SPEAKER_00: Recruiting pipeline across the top,
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SPEAKER_00: the normal flow of things,
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SPEAKER_00: watch listed,
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SPEAKER_00: contacted,
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SPEAKER_00: offered,
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SPEAKER_00: committed,
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SPEAKER_00: signed.
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SPEAKER_00: You can move guys through that as the process evolves.
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We've got a snapshot of the portal here,
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players that are currently in the portal.
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SPEAKER_00: Stat leaders here,
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SPEAKER_00: these stats are pulling from the portal list,
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SPEAKER_00: but we do have NCAA stats in another spot as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Up here,
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SPEAKER_00: you've got your saved targets,
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SPEAKER_00: roster building over here on the side,
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SPEAKER_00: staff notes about players.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got a depth chart here.
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SPEAKER_00: This big board probably lives in every office across the country,
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SPEAKER_00: but we felt it was important to get that on the platform.
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SPEAKER_00: You can drag guys up,
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SPEAKER_00: down,
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SPEAKER_00: left,
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SPEAKER_00: right,
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SPEAKER_00: move them up and down your roster as you would see fit,
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SPEAKER_00: wherever they wanted to go.
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SPEAKER_00: I've got a
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SPEAKER_00: as you would in the office, that's available here as well.
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Budgeting feature here,
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this can be set to whatever you need it to,
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but I've got it on NIL.
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SPEAKER_00: Whatever your budgeting is,
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SPEAKER_00: you can,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going on the opposite order there,
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SPEAKER_00: you can set that to whatever it is,
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SPEAKER_00: no matter how big or small,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever the case may be.
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SPEAKER_00: If you've got 10 million available and you use
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you know,
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100K of it,
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it's going to track with you as you move that money around.
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SPEAKER_00: You can also just throw a quick little scholarship note in here,
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SPEAKER_00: how many spots you've got left as you fill those spots.
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SPEAKER_00: So just kind of an overall program health here on the dashboard.
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This is a place where people can start and end their day with
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their program.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll come in here to the portal tracker real quick.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got available, expected, committed, all.
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SPEAKER_00: We can filter by
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SPEAKER_00: Team names, search by player names, stat leaders in here.
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SPEAKER_00: These are the NCAA stats.
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You can view all stat leaders of a category,
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or you can come over here to all stats.
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SPEAKER_00: And up here,
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SPEAKER_00: this qualified players button,
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SPEAKER_00: if you uncheck that,
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SPEAKER_00: it'll show the guys that don't meet that NCAA qualifier of,
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SPEAKER_00: I believe it's 65% of games played.
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The guys that played two,
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three,
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four games,
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that will populate those guys.
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But here's all the stats for all the players from the past four
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seasons in here.
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SPEAKER_00: You can search by a player if you want to.
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SPEAKER_00: You can search by a team if you want to position.
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SPEAKER_00: But the nice thing in here, you can add filters.
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So you can filter whatever combinations of things you might
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want as a coach.
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SPEAKER_00: Obviously, everybody wants tall guys.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody's fighting over height.
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SPEAKER_00: So we can.
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SPEAKER_00: Filter by six, six, apply that.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we can combo it with a statistical data point.
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SPEAKER_00: Three point percentage, somebody that shot, you know, 35%.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got your greater than, let's say an equal to signs here.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll probably change those around for the non-math majors like myself,
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SPEAKER_00: but you can,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever is important to you,
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SPEAKER_00: you can come in here and apply those filters.
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So you can really needle it down to exactly what kind of player
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you're looking at.
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SPEAKER_00: You can add as many as you'd want
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as little as you want you can clear them all out and start over
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if you need to
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we're going to come back to court vision we'll we'll save that
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one for last demo
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roster you can build as many rosters as you'd like to in here
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whatever scenario
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building you might want to come in here and do if you want to
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build two big rosters
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a small ball roster if you want to hey we're going to play fast
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uh this year or
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we're going to try to slow the pace down whatever guys that you
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think would fit on
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SPEAKER_00: that roster type you want to build
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you can find those guys in here add them to your roster and
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save it you can search
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from all players or your save targets and then we'll go to your
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save targets list
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here's where you've got guys that you can quickly just move
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through the recruiting
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cycle here whatever their status is what stage they're at
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status in the portal
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things like that and then we'll go to staff notes here this is
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pretty important uh
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it's a big value add from what i've from what i've seen from
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coaches so far they
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SPEAKER_00: really like this uh
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programs of all sizes are casting nets of all sizes some
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programs are casting huge
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nets and having hundreds of conversations over the course of
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the week whatever it
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is that you're doing whatever how much ever communication you
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have this is your
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place to centralize it this is your place to get aligned as a
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staff so what you can
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do here is you can add player notes to players so if we're
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talking about a kid and
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SPEAKER_00: i know
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that I just did a certain kind of evaluation or I had a
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conversation with somebody
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SPEAKER_00: that falls into one of these categories,
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SPEAKER_00: film evaluation,
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SPEAKER_00: in-person evaluation,
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SPEAKER_00: a phone call,
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SPEAKER_00: a visit,
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SPEAKER_00: NIL,
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SPEAKER_00: academic or personality note,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever it is.
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If you want to do a personality,
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great kid,
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high energy,
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looks you in the eye when you speak.
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SPEAKER_00: Love him.
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SPEAKER_00: Save note.
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SPEAKER_00: It'll populate here for that player personality note there.
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SPEAKER_00: This is available across your entire staff.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can see what coach said what about what player,
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SPEAKER_00: what that category was,
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SPEAKER_00: when they said it,
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SPEAKER_00: why they said it,
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and just helps coaches get organized and move forward as
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they're going through this
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SPEAKER_00: crazy process.
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go over here to court vision and i've got a chat already up in
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here so this is an
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ai chat that we built we created this to be a coach on your
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screen we wanted to
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take the coach's brain the coach's mind and put it on the
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screen so we built a chat
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SPEAKER_00: that does exactly that you can do
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SPEAKER_00: a ton of different things.
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SPEAKER_00: And to be honest,
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SPEAKER_00: Tony,
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I'm learning still every day and I'm one of the guys that
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helped build it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm still learning every day about what this thing can do.
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SPEAKER_00: It surprises me still on a daily basis and it's improving day by day.
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SPEAKER_00: So for example, I'm using Wofford here as an example.
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SPEAKER_00: This might be inaccurate or accurate information.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know their team, but I've seen some of these names in the portal.
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SPEAKER_00: We said,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: tell me who Wofford should target from 2025,
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SPEAKER_00: 2026 based on their inefficiencies on offense and defense.
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SPEAKER_00: We have little to NIL money.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's the case or not,
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SPEAKER_00: but you can tell it qualifiers like that when it searches.
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SPEAKER_00: We have little to no NIL money,
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SPEAKER_00: and this person needs to have multiple years of eligibility left.
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SPEAKER_00: For context, we're losing this person, this person, and this person.
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What it's doing is it's going out and searching our database of
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the portal.
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SPEAKER_00: It's searching our stats database and it's returning those answers.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's not going out and guessing information off of Google.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not searching the web.
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SPEAKER_00: It's returning real data to you.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's going to give you suggestions based on what you said here.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's got a couple of guys,
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SPEAKER_00: Nolan,
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SPEAKER_00: you say that last name from St.
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SPEAKER_00: Thomas,
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SPEAKER_00: a floor spacer,
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SPEAKER_00: long-term scoring option,
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SPEAKER_00: defensive anchor,
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SPEAKER_00: pure playmaker.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's giving you guys that it believes you can
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have success with from the portal at your program based off
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what you did last year.
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SPEAKER_00: It's going to give you the stats,
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SPEAKER_00: it's going to give you their advanced stats,
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SPEAKER_00: and then it's going to give you context around those numbers,
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SPEAKER_00: why it thinks the way that it does,
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SPEAKER_00: why it's suggesting these people based
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SPEAKER_00: based off of what you told it.
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SPEAKER_00: It can do scouting reports.
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SPEAKER_00: It can do player evaluations on a single basis.
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SPEAKER_00: It can do mass player evaluations, multiples.
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SPEAKER_00: I've done as many as 10 at a time.
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I've even gone as far as to say,
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hey,
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I need a roster built to win X conference.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's use the ASUN, for example.
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Build me a roster of five starters and three off the bench from
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the portal.
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SPEAKER_00: that should win the ASUN next year based off of their 2025-2026 stats.
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SPEAKER_00: And it'll go do that.
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So the more specific you are with this thing,
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the better your answers are going to be.
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SPEAKER_00: But you can also be just very general and high level with it.
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And it'll go as deep as you want to or stay at surface level as
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you want to.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's a lot of talking from me there, Tony.
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One of the things I'm always talking about on this podcast for
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coaches is just a
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SPEAKER_01: your time is the most valuable thing that you possess.
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SPEAKER_01: And so what are some tools?
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SPEAKER_01: It's the second thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Always looking for tools that can help you in what you already do.
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I already know some of the feedback is going to be a computer
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is not going to coach
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SPEAKER_01: my team for me.
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SPEAKER_01: A computer is not going to build the perfect team.
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SPEAKER_01: I would agree with all of those statements.
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SPEAKER_01: However,
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SPEAKER_01: just like anything else,
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this can be used as a tool to help you in doing those things
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and sometimes doing
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SPEAKER_01: those things faster.
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I'm sure that you can come to the conclusions that the computer
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will help you come
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SPEAKER_01: to if you did them on your own.
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But how much time would that actually take and what resources
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do you actually have
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SPEAKER_01: available to be able to do that with the time that you have?
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I was even listening to a Division I coach here recently talk
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about getting to know
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a player for 12 to 18 months in the past that now that's
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happening in like two
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SPEAKER_01: weeks.
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I saw a recruitment by a Power Four top team the other day that
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lasted all of about two hours.
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hours and so like what kind of tools can help me accelerate
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this relationship
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building process and then this overall process of building a
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roster and as we all
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know like fit is extremely important now both financially and
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for the school itself
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i guess my question would be that i know someone would ask is
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how do i know the
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right questions to ask where do i even start do you have
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anything to help them with
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SPEAKER_01: that
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SPEAKER_00: We do, and that's a good question.
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SPEAKER_00: There's going to be a small learning curve,
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especially for those staffs that haven't used AI before or
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aren't familiar with any
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SPEAKER_00: tools for that matter,
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SPEAKER_00: that are still doing things completely old school.
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They got the war room in the office with papers all over the
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desk and the whiteboard.
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SPEAKER_00: It looks like it's been erased 70,000 times and it's dirty.
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SPEAKER_00: I love those rooms.
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SPEAKER_00: I was raised in those rooms.
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SPEAKER_00: But to answer your question,
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SPEAKER_00: yes,
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we are going to have a handbook that we can give these coaches
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of best prompting
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SPEAKER_00: practices.
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SPEAKER_00: It'll be something that they can refer to as a hard copy.
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SPEAKER_00: And then it'll be something that they can
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SPEAKER_00: refer to as a digital copy as well.
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So they'll have a resource where they can pull up by category
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recruitment.
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SPEAKER_00: If I'm looking at portal stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: if I want to do player evaluations,
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SPEAKER_00: if I want to do scouting reports on a team,
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SPEAKER_00: if I want to do player comparisons,
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SPEAKER_00: if I want to do best fit rankings of,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at these potential six players
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rank them for my program as a fit for the next year you know
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from best fit to worst
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fit and those are just a few examples of the prompting that
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they can do but yet to
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answer in the short answer yes we'll have we'll have prompt
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guides for them that
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we'll give them what levels is this for and is this available
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to more than just the
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SPEAKER_01: north carolinas and ohio states and top level teams
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SPEAKER_00: Right now, it's only Division I.
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SPEAKER_00: We're in the process of getting Division II,
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SPEAKER_00: Division III,
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SPEAKER_00: and JUCO in here as well,
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SPEAKER_00: primarily because as you look around the tool landscape,
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SPEAKER_00: there's not a lot out there for them.
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SPEAKER_00: No one's really helping those guys.
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SPEAKER_00: We want to help those guys.
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SPEAKER_00: We want to build something that's good for them,
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SPEAKER_00: that can make their lives easier,
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SPEAKER_00: less time in front of the screen,
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SPEAKER_00: more time at home with their families,
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SPEAKER_00: or more time on the court with their team
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SPEAKER_00: impacting winning in that way.
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SPEAKER_00: So to answer your question,
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SPEAKER_00: we're going to have those hopefully done in the next,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't want to give it a hard timeline,
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SPEAKER_00: but we're working as fast as we can to get that information gathered.
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SPEAKER_00: And as you know, Tony, it's a bit difficult.
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The lower levels you go,
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that information is a bit more scattered and harder to come by.
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So we're working as hard as we can to get that up and running
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for those lower level
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SPEAKER_00: programs so that they can make their lives easier.
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I know that most will think of this as being looking for
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players that then they can
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bring on typically from like lower mid-major up to higher level
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or just available.
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SPEAKER_01: But this could go the other way as well, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It could.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's funny you bring that up.
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I had a JUCO head coach reach out to me just before we started
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this podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: He wants to use the court vision chat to identify players that
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maybe didn't play a ton maybe only played a few games at the
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division one level
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maybe didn't have the best efficiency numbers maybe just you
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know need a change of
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scenery whatever the case may be but he knows those numbers are
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available in here
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and he can access them quickly service that data fast then get
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on the phone with
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those guys you know after seeing that information on the chat
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so he wants to use
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that specifically just to see if there's some d1 guys that he
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can call down for a
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SPEAKER_00: change of scenery to the juco level
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get their feet on drum and have a good situation for both of
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them you mentioned
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this earlier but i think that for programs especially that you
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know they only have
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one or two assistants this can just simply be kind of that
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virtual assistant that
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can do some of the jobs it's not may not replace an a person
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you know on the court
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SPEAKER_01: coaching but it
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SPEAKER_01: It can do a lot of the things,
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SPEAKER_01: paperwork and things behind the scenes,
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the thinking aspect of it that will be invaluable to the
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smaller staffs and the
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SPEAKER_01: smaller programs.
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So now this is going to shine during the several weeks that the
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transfer portal window is open.
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SPEAKER_01: But this is something that can be used all year round, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_00: And it should be used all year round.
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We built it to function that way because of the nature of the
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roster building.
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SPEAKER_00: Now,
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SPEAKER_00: this is a tool that however much you want to use it,
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SPEAKER_00: if it's a daily thing,
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SPEAKER_00: if it's a couple of weeks thing,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: a couple of times a week thing,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever the case may be,
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this should be something that they're spending time with all
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the way up until the
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SPEAKER_00: portal season.
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SPEAKER_00: and then immediately after.
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SPEAKER_00: This is going to help them track players that they're interested in.
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SPEAKER_00: They can add them to their watch lists.
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SPEAKER_00: They can identify them early.
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They can use the chat to have those conversations that are
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happening in the coach's
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SPEAKER_00: office with their head coach,
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SPEAKER_00: with their fellow assistants,
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SPEAKER_00: with their GMs,
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SPEAKER_00: whoever that may be.
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SPEAKER_00: Those same conversations that are happening all year round,
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SPEAKER_00: they also need to be happening in that court vision chat.
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So they can use that throughout the entire year to find those
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players that,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: we should be keeping an eye on this guy if he does portal.
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SPEAKER_00: We like him.
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SPEAKER_00: We're ready to go.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that it's awesome.
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I will be sure to link down below the website as well so
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coaches can check that out
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SPEAKER_01: and link to your contact information.
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SPEAKER_01: But Marcus, this has been great, and I'm excited to see where it goes.
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SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you coming on the show.