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Marineland Beluga Whales: What Happens Next and Why This Decision Matters for Animal Welfare · How To Protect The Ocean

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  Marineland belugas are set to leave Marineland finally.
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  But where are they going to go?
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  The government of Canada has allowed some export permits to be permitted if
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  they go to this one particular country.
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  We're gonna talk about that on today's episode of the How
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  to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
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  Let's start the show.
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  Hey everybody.
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  Welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
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  I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, Marine biologist and science communicator
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  here to tell you what's happening with the Ocean, how you can speak up for
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  the ocean, and what you can do to live for a better ocean by taking action.
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  On today's episode, we have a huge update in the Marineland beluga whale saga.
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  Just to give you an update, there are 30 beluga whales that are left
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  at Marineland Park in Niagara Falls.
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  It's a Marine theme park that's been open since I can remember.
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  The jingle that was played when I was a kid was, everyone loves Marineland.
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  Sorry for that voice, but that's what the jingle was.
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  And it's etched in my brain, but I'm gonna tell you something.
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  Not everybody loved Marineland, including myself, especially when I became an adult.
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  I got educated in it.
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  I went to a show one time and I took my girlfriend who's now my wife,
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  wanted to show her like what whales were like, not that she's never
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  been to Marineland, but it was like a common thing that we would do.
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  And I remember witnessing how badly the dolphins were treated.
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  And there was a dolphin that came out of the gate, got clipped by the gate and
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  started bleeding outta the blow hole.
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  They continued with the show and allowing that dolphin to continue with
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  the show instead of taking in the back.
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  They said that the dolphin wanted to continue.
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  Probably not.
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  It was probably injured, but probably wanted the food that was given
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  to them when they do each trick.
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  Anyway, we know the saga of what's happened with marine mammal captivity.
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  Blackfish came out, and even before that, there were advocates
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  and activists that were staunchly against captivity of these whales.
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  Not only beluga whales, but orcas.
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  Marine mammals of all sorts.
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  It's pretty much an experiment that we realize has not really gone well.
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  You know, obviously people want to connect with animals.
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  They can connect with these whales, see how smart they are by doing
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  tricks and all that kind of stuff
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  But the trade of orcas and marine mammals in captivity got outta hand
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  and it got to a point where some trainers, some orca and dolphin
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  trainers were killed over that time.
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  You saw that in Blackfish.
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  You saw that document in a lot of different places, and it's unfortunate
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  that people had to pass away for us to realize that maybe this isn't a good idea.
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  Blackfish came out, everything changed.
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  Breeding stopped, show stopped.
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  And because of that, even in Canada, they made laws where you can't do captivity.
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  You can't have it.
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  The Canadian government had a law that was called the Ending of the
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  Captivity of Whale and Dolphins Act that was enacted in 2019.
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  It banned the keeping of citations in captivity for entertainment.
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  And then, so basically Marineland, which was an entertainment facility for
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  animals was essentially kind of halted.
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  They were grandfathered the whales that they had, but they
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  couldn't keep any new whales.
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  Now, if you know anything about the Marine theme parks, they make
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  big money on trading or selling animals as well as breeding.
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  So selling their sperms.
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  They would have, you know, breeding money from it.
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  They would get revenue from the breeding, And so the
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  breeding programs were canceled.
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  The captivity programs were canceled.
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  And so then they weren't allowed to do any kind of show.
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  So Marineland in essence just shut down because that was their big thing.
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  Everybody loves Marineland and on that jingle on the video on the TV
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  would show an orca just jumping up in the air and everybody being in
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  awe how big and how far it could jump out of the water and into the air.
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  That was done.
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  And so, so was Marineland in and of itself.
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  And so Marineland shut down a few years ago.
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  It hasn't reopened, but unfortunately during this time, not just during the
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  time where this act came in, the Ending of Captivity of Whale and Dolphins Act.
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  It essentially there was a while for a long time, like I would say
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  more than 20 years, there were allegations and proof that the animals
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  weren't being treated properly.
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  There was a huge advocate that came out that used to train a walrus at Marineland.
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  He came out and said, Hey, the facilities are crap.
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  The people who are doing the things are doing their best.
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  They're trying to take care of these animals, but you
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  know, the water quality's bad.
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  The animals are not treated well.
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  They're not fed properly.
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  Not enough money is being put into their pools and their containers
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  and their water quality and their food and everything like that.
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  So allegations kept coming and coming and coming.
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  Of course, advocates were ensuring that the Humane Society of Canada, the
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  Ontario government, a lot of other, IO, which is I forget what it stands for.
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  But essentially, you know, a lot of animal welfare groups came out and said,
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  Hey, we need to make sure that these animals are being treated properly.
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  There were a lot of fines that had to be paid over the years.
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  And then when this act came in, it pretty much just shut down Marineland.
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  It sucks to see a business like that go outta business.
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  But when it's at the behest and at the consequence of treating
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  animals poorly, then you kind of be like, it's no wonder that happens.
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  Now since its shutdown, the property of Marineland is in
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  big demand for development.
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  Southern Ontario where Marineland is in Niagara Falls, it's prime
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  land for housing development, golf courses, all that kind of stuff.
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  So the Marineland company wants to sell the land so that they
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  can get outta the business.
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  The parents die that originally owned Marineland.
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  The kids are like, we want out.
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  We want nothing to do with this place.
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  So Kiska was the orca.
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  That orca passed away about a year and a half ago, a couple years ago.
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  Now they have 30 beluga whales.
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  They used to have over 50 beluga whales.
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  And every time those beluga whales got transferred a number
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  of years ago, the beluga whales, there were about 50 some odd.
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  About four beluga whales were transferred over to the Mystic
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  Aquarium in Connecticut.
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  Now, normally Mystic Aquarium is very good.
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  They were getting these belugas.
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  But the problem was, there was concern over the health
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  of the belugas in Marineland.
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  And the way it was done.
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  I remember doing an interview with Dr.
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  Naomi Rose.
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  She was saying that the way the transfer is done is very sketchy in that the
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  veterinarians of Marineland and the veterinarians of Mystic Aquarium
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  would look over the animals together and they would make a prognosis of
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  yes, they're ready to be transferred.
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  First of all, when they were about to transfer those
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  animals, they switched them.
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  It was supposed to be four original ones.
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  They switched them to a different ones because those
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  animals were not in good health.
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  And so the ones that were transferred, one died as soon as it got there.
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  And then two of them I think died later on.
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  Maybe all three of them died later on.
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  These animals are not well.
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  They're not taken care of properly.
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  The water quality's down.
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  It's very expensive to look after a whale, and these whales were not treated well.
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  And so we continue to see Marineland trying to get rid of these whales.
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  Now there's 30 of these beluga whales.
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  A lot of 'em have died off.
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  Marineland's, like we want them out.
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  Like we can't take care of them anymore.
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  And if we don't get them out, we are going to euthanize them.
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  Which is crazy to think about euthanizing these animals 'cause you
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  can't pay enough to take care of them.
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  And of course you're not getting any money 'cause it's closed down.
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  You can't just euthanize animals.
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  You have an ethical duty to take care of these animals.
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  They under your care, you brought them in, you wanted money off of them.
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  And now that you can't show them off or, you know, have people pet
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  them or anything like that and you're not treating them well.
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  You're just gonna say, we're just gonna euthanize 'em if we can't sell 'em off.
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  About a year ago, they said, Hey, if we can't ship 'em off, we want a permit.
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  'cause they need a permit.
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  Now because of this new act.
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  We want a permit to ship 'em off to a Marine theme park in China.
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  Which China will have shows, they will breed them, they will make money off
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  them, and they'll continue to do that.
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  And we don't know what the standard is for the animal welfare in
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  these Marine theme parks in China.
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  We just don't know how they're being treated.
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  It's not well known.
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  There've been some visits, but really we just don't know.
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  It's probably not good.
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  If we couldn't do it well here in Canada,
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  China's not known for their best animal rights from what I
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  have heard and what I have seen.
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  But you just never know.
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  And we just don't know.
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  And so we don't wanna take the chance.
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  The government of Canada said no to those exports because they're like,
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  why are we going to ban them here?
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  So you can't use 'em for entertainment.
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  You can't use 'em for breeding.
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  And then ship 'em off to a place where you can use 'em for entertainment
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  and you can use 'em for breeding.
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  That kind of goes, it's really hypocritical of what we're trying to do.
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  We're trying to protect these whales.
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  There were two options.
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  One of the options is to export them to another Marine theme park, somewhere
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  else around the world that doesn't include Russia or China, where they use
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  them for entertainment and breeding.
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  France doesn't allow it.
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  The US sometimes they allow it to transfer, but no new captures.
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  So maybe the US or they can go to a sanctuary.
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  We'll get to the sanctuary part in just a sec. I'm gonna make an entire
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  video on the Whale Seaside sanctuary in Nova Scotia because there's a lot
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  to know in there, and I'm still trying to get the full story around that.
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  But then there's this other side of like, Hey, where else can it go?
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  Can it go to the states?
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  Can it go to somewhere else in Europe?
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  We just don't know.
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  We were on a bit of a hiatus in terms of exports and permits 'cause
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  there were no permits issued.
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  Marineland has come out over and over and over again.
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  Hey, we are going to have to euthanize these animals if we can't get rid of them.
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  They want to euthanize 'em 'cause they can't take care of them anymore.
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  But they also wanna sell their land.
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  So at this point there's a conflict of interest.
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  They can make a lot of money by getting rid of them.
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  Maybe get a little money in the aquariums that take 'em, or the theme parks that
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  take 'em, that they'll pay for them.
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  And/Or they can make a ton of money, a boatload of money
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  selling the land for development.
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  So there's a bit of a rush on this, and they're willing, it seems to kill these
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  animals so that they can get that bag of money when they sell it to develop.
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  At this point, the Canadian government said the Minister of Fisheries and
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  Oceans met with Marineland officials and agreed in principle to an export plan.
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  But the final permits still depend on Marineland, submitting detailed
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  travel and care information, as well as veterinary assessments of
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  each animal's fitness for transport.
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  Here's where there's a possibility of them going.
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  They will go to US Aquariums.
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  And the potential recipients are the Shed Aquarium in Chicago,
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  the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta, Mystic Aquarium in Connecticut.
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  I'll try that again.
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  And SeaWorld at the various locations.
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  None of these facilities have formally confirmed acceptance yet.
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  And critics are warned by sending the belugas to other captive
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  environments merely continues the cycle of captivity rather than offering
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  them a retirement in a sanctuary.
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  Again, we're gonna get to that sanctuary in just a moment lightly and briefly.
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  In this episode, I'm gonna do a deeper dive later on as I'm doing
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  research to do another narrative episode and seeing what goes on there.
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  Okay, so here we go.
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  Now we have this Marineland that's putting pressure on the government
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  saying, we're gonna euthanize these animals if we can't get rid of them soon.
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  We know that they wanna sell it off for development.
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  So again, that's the part I don't understand.
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  The government should just be like, screw you.
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  You're the ones who wanted these animals.
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  You're gonna have to take care of them.
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  If you don't take care of them we find out you euthanize them, we're gonna
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  put you in jail for animal cruelty.
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  That's the way it should be.
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  They should not be allowed to euthanize, and the government
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  has always come out and said.
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  There's no way they're gonna be able to euthanize 'em, but there's no way
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  we'll give them permission to do so, and there'll be serious consequences if we do.
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  Hopefully that means, I hope this never comes to fruition.
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  I don't want these animals to die for no reason.
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  They are sick.
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  The only way they would be euthanized if they can't be moved, and if
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  they're health is going downhill and we can't get them better.
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  So here are the choices.
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  It's either export them or.
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  Right now Marineland wants to euthanize 'em, which I don't
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  think is really an option.
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  I don't think the government will allow that to happen.
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  Now, sometimes these businesses will ask for forgiveness instead
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  of asking for permission.
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  So we don't know really what's gonna happen to these areas.
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  So there's a lot of controversy around that.
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  To me, it's just lack of responsibility for taking care of the animals that
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  made you so much money over the years.
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  It's just such a disrespect, and I think it's really where private industry gets
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  a lot of criticism when it comes to these types of situations where animals are
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  involved and they're making you money, and once they don't make you money,
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  you want to kill them off.
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  And I think that's really selfish of these business, if that's what they want
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  to do, especially when they can make a boatload of money for development.
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  So hopefully that's not even on the table, but that keeps coming out in the
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  press maybe because the press likes to hear that and they like to put that in
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  the headline and people will click on it.
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  Who knows what's gonna happen.
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  But regardless, there's gonna be an export at some point somewhere.
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  Now, this is not just the only option.
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  The other option is we export them to a sanctuary.
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  Okay, so here's the Diddy on sanctuaries.
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  Like, here's the information.
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  Okay?
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  I am gonna download some of the information.
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  Sanctuaries are not a perfect thing.
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  We hear the big sanctuary is the Whale Sea Sanctuary project that's in Port
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  Hilfer Bay, Nova Scotia, or that is under development and has some permits to put
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  in place, but they're not even close to handling belugas or any animals at this
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  point 'cause there's no infrastructure.
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  The Transport Canada and Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada
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  have not issued permits for that.
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  The landowners, I think there's only one landowner that said it's okay to
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  do it, but there's still four more landowners that said, Hey, if we give
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  you permission to do this, we lose access to our harbor 'cause there's gonna be
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  belugas in there 'cause there's also two belugas that they wanna put in there.
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  And as well, we lose access to our land and our beautiful
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  property that we paid so much for.
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  There's a lot of controversy around there and there's people who are saying
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  like, this should not be put in place.
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  It's an American company that's holding onto it, or American organization.
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  Some people are not liking what this American organization has done in
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  the past within the whale captivity.
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  Some people are saying that's all false and it's being blown outta proportion.
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  I'm getting to the midst of that and I'll probably do a more detailed episode
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  coming up shortly, within the next month or so on the whale sanctuary project.
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  Want to go down the middle.
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  I don't wanna say one or way or another trying to be like a scientist and
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  try not to be as biased as possible.
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  So, look.
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  And this sanctuary, probably not the size for 30 belugas, maybe 10 at once,
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  but we don't know if it'll all be able to handle it if it's operational.
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  And then there's also two orcas that might be put in there as well from France.
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  So we'll see what happens there.
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  Now there is an existing international sanctuary called the Sea Life
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  Trust Beluga Sanctuary in Iceland.
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  Now, this is currently the only operating seaside sanctuary
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  for belugas in the world.
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  It is located off the coast.
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  I'm gonna try and pronounce this.
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  Vestmannaeyjar Something like that in Iceland.
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  I apologize if I didn't pronounce that properly.
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  I definitely didn't pronounce that properly.
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  I apologize for that.
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  And it's a home to two belugas, little gray and little white, living in
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  a closed, natural bay environment.
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  The facility designed for rehabilitation and extended care in seawater rather
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  than traditional aquarium tank.
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  The site shows that seaside sanctuaries can work for belugas, but it's not
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  clear that it currently has the space or the plans to take a large
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  group, like the ones in Marineland.
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  So advocates, nonetheless, a site that is proof of concept and the
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  true sanctuaries can be built.
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  So the question here is if this is not big enough, can it be expanded for these
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  30 belugas if they're able to even travel to Iceland to be able to do this?
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  And it's in and of itself a chore to do.
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  And then when I say chore, I mean that lightly.
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  it is a huge, huge chore.
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  I'm underrepresenting that.
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  It's a big thing, especially if they're not doing well in the first place.
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  They have to be at a certain health level before they can be transferred.
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  So if we can make 'em bigger and they can be transferred, that would be great.
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  We'll see how that works out.
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  But other than that, other places have not been built.
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  Like the Whale Sanctuary project in Nova Scotia has not been built.
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  And there aren't any other areas that can be done at this point that I know of.
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  If you know of any other place, let me know in the comments below, or go
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  to speak up for blue.com/feedback and you can let me know what you think,
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  either by voicemail or by writing it.
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  So writing it down.
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  I would love to know.
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  There may be some other sanctuaries or retirement facilities in planning stages.
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  Some done for bottle nose dolphins in the past.
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  But really the only other one is probably the Whale Sanctuary project.
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  And again, we just don't know if it's big enough or the area that you
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  would have belugas at this point.
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  There are belugas in the St. Lawrence River.
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  It's an endangered population.
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  I don't think you'd wanna put it there because it's around
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  an endangered population.
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  The genetics are different, so we probably don't wanna be doing it there.
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  And some advocates are saying, Hey, why don't we just let
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  them free and see what happens?
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  If they're gonna die in the tank, why don't we just let them die
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  at sea and see what happens.
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  Now we've seen some.
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  There's one beluga in Russia that is free and that has an impact, I guess.
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  It comes up to boaters all the time, and you can throw a ball to it and
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  it'll go fetch and it'll bring it back.
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  But it is surviving out at sea.
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  But you gotta remember, a lot of these belugas have never been to sea before.
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  They've never been in the open ocean.
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  They may not know how to eat on their own, hunt on their own.
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  They may be required, have care, right?
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  These belugas have been raised in captivity and have been fed by
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  hand for a very, very long time.
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  And so they may not be able to survive on their own and they may require that care.
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  And to be honest, all of this is new.
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  It's an experiment to release captive whales, especially those who have won,
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  haven't been out in the Ocean ever.
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  'cause they've been born in captivity or if they were in captivity and
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  they were caught for a while.
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  They haven't been back in a long time, which is usually the case
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  for some of these older orcas.
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  In this case with Marineland, we just don't even know if they're
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  healthy enough to do anything with.
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  So some advocates are saying, Hey, you know what?
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  Why don't we just keep them here?
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  Like, why don't we just keep 'em into Marineland, keep 'em like
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  the best care possible until they eventually all pass away.
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  It's sad no matter what you do.
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  If you get them up and you move them down to the US, it's sad.
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  If you export them to China, which is not gonna happen, it's sad
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  because they're going into another entertainment and they're going into
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  a breeding kind of life, and that's not one a life that we wanna see for
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  these belugas or any captive whale.
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  And then, you know, if they go to a sanctuary, they may die on the way there.
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  They may not do well in there.
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  Unfortunately we're in a situation where no answer is easy.
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  There are hard opinions on every single side, including the ones who
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  just want them to stay in Marineland, where they are, and just live out
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  their last days being taken care of the best they possibly can.
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  And that could be like, they could survive for another year.
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  They could survive for another 10 years.
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  We just don't know.
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  And so it's not an easy answer no matter how we look at it.
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  And so there's options out there.
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  We'll see like which options come to fruition.
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  And unfortunately, we're just gonna have to live with the
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  consequences of those options, whether they're good and hopefully.
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  They are good or whether they're bad, and that's just the way it's gonna have to go.
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  But again, I would love to hear your opinion on this 'cause this is the
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  beginning of a conversation that I would love for you to continue.
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  Let me know in the comments below if you're watching this on YouTube.
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  And again, if you're listening to this on your favorite podcast app, audio style.
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  I love the audio.
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  Go to speak up for blue.com/feedback and let me know what you think.
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  You can either type it in there or leave me a voicemail.
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  I would love to hear what you think.
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  Let me know in the comments below or at speak up for blue.com/feedback.
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  That's the episode for today.
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  I wanna thank you so much for listening.
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  I wanna thank you so much for trying to get more information on oceans
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  and, you know, whale captivity and what's gonna happen with these whales.
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  We're at a very interesting crossroads with what to do with
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  these whales and I don't know if there's a good answer, to be honest.
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  I really don't know, but I'd love to hear your opinion.
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  Thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of the How
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  to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
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  I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from the True Nords Strong and Free.
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  Have a great day.
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  We'll talk to you next time and happy conservation.