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Adam Barrett | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #26 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian we've
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  podcast today, we have an English musician.
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  Now, why is this, why is this different, why is it a sudden
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  surprise? Well, it's the first time that
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  I've actually had an English musician on the show.
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  I've had musicians from other countries, but for me, this will
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  be interesting because I am also an English musician.
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  So, there's a lot of talking points here, but to get more to
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  the point to get actually, to the guests himself, our guests.
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  Is an English musician, who's been doing this for quite a
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  number of years, and he's also a YouTuber and he's got himself a
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  bit of a following on YouTube now, because of the, the songs
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  that he's singing and the types of influences that he has in the
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  kind of sound that he has and we'll get into that in the
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  course of this interview. But yeah, his name is Adam
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  Barrett. Welcome to the podcast.
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  I did. Hello.
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  Please the beer. I'm good.
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  You yeah. Very good, very good.
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  And I will just say we've been trying to get Adam on the show
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  for a little bit of time and There were various reasons why
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  we couldn't do it, but this is very spur-of-the-moment.
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  Adam has some time and I was like well I'm not doing anything
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  right now and I am prepared. Although admittedly I did have
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  to run and just make sure I'm tidy and presentable.
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  But with regards to the actual research itself, we are ready in
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  all guns blazing. So yeah, I'll just jump straight
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  in straight into the questions and let's get to know you a bit.
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  So you have a very I've written this down like this and it's
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  true, but it's as funny to me. You have a fantastic taste in
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  music and I think so. Anyway, and you do a lot of
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  covers of bands such as wayss, the Beatles, and arguably your
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  favorite, The Smiths. And that's what I came across as
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  well for YouTube, probably through the algorithm, which is
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  why I mentioned that your YouTube is doing well, because
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  it's sort of being picked up and, you know, I listen to a lot
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  of musicians. Online.
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  I think when you are a musician you sort of like to listen to
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  other musicians as well. There is that element to it but
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  it's also you know, just biking. Good music.
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  Always wanting to kind of see up-and-coming artists and such
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  and you know I sort of just randomly clicked on it and I
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  thought this would be interesting and you absolutely
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  nailed the song and I was like, okay, I'm a fan of this guy
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  straight away. So I guess my first question is
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  I wanted to ask, how did you get into these particular Ocular
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  bands. And what what do you love so
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  much about the Smiths in comparison to the other bands
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  because I'd say that on your channel, your YouTube channel in
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  particular, there's a lot of covers of the Smiths so that's
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  kind of arguably your favorite. So I just wanted to kind of
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  know. Yeah.
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  How you got into those bands and why what specifically makes the
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  Smiths special to you? Yeah, fair enough and has it
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  again some other. No just the same way everyone
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  else for interviews. I guess, I mean, when I was
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  younger and a school, there was a Sadie honest truth, right?
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  When I was younger, I used to listen to a lot of pop in the
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  90s, the early 90s, I was just in pop music.
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  I was too young, I didn't have anything else.
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  And if you want the really boring long story about it,
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  actually, there was a kid at school called Cruz, who was like
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  the coolest kid in school. And I've heard of racist.
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  I was kind of like a little bit into a suspect.
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  He loved Oasis, like he loved them.
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  And Basically, it was the cool kid and are for, okay?
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  Eggs. Cool to listen to a racist.
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  I started listening to Isis and I was like yeah putting some a
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  little bit but not massively. Then a couple of years later the
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  master plan came out the album and my mate gave it to me and
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  just said, have a listen to this and I was like okay this is like
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  1998 or something like that and I kind of liked him but I didn't
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  I wasn't massive into him and then for some reason I listened
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  to the album and the song underneath the sky which is
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  really not a popular, not like it's a Very weird song except
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  it's cymatics like chord progression in the chorus and
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  it's so odd and that just remember, that weird sound
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  struck me and I was like, what is this?
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  And then from there I just love them from that moment on was
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  really, to be fair. I saw him in 2005.
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  Oasis, is my big first like what?
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  Passion sort of thing. And in every way, everything
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  else came for now, but say really well, everything, you
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  know, discovering the beat was discovering the sniffs Jam,
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  like, the last, like, everyone from, they just all kind of
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  spread out. So, yeah.
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  Did you kind of Discover it through?
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  Because I think, no, Gallagher in particular, has always kind
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  of cited The Smiths and the Beatles and bands, like that, as
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  being like, you know, direct kind of influences, and you can
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  kind of see that. That I suppose visually they're
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  very reminiscent of The Beatles. I think Liam's also said that
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  there's like a big influence there.
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  And in terms of the sound in particular, there's like that
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  direct link between this their sounds and the nose actually
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  covered quite a few of their songs.
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  I actually watched a video recently where he apparently was
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  given Johnny Mars guitar in his pretty crazy story.
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  It was, it was something to do pain-free out.
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  It was, it was something to do with.
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  I think they became friends or they would talk.
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  They talk to give us something like that and then Knows guitar
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  had broken. So he basically just said to
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  Johnny Marr, like yeah, can I use yours?
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  And then he was like yeah. And he just didn't give it back
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  but they gave it back like many. Many years later like 15 years
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  later but he should wear Johnny Marr happened to be playing
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  guitar as a guest on their album and yeah, yeah.
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  When he was doing the guest party, just gave him the guitar
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  and it was like, uh-huh. Is that?
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  Yeah, you can have that back that anyway, yeah.
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  Is that kind of like how you got into them?
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  Then, is that, is that like socks?
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  Probably, I can't remember. But yeah, you're probably right.
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  I know. No, he's Dimension to any more
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  quite a lot. Yeah, I don't remember when I
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  first heard the space but Just remember love and I'm sure it
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  away so can't pin it down but it was a long time ago.
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  It was, it was it like, at this, this bit of a weird question,
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  but I'm just gonna be real. When I discovered them, I
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  remember like listening to them when I was very young.
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  Not not really kind of putting the name to a face that kind of
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  thing. And then in more, recent years,
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  probably like five was 10 years ago.
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  There was that moment of like discovering a couple of their
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  songs and just falling in love. Like just like, oh yeah.
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  Like every sounds amazing. Yeah, I think it was the same
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  for me. Like, say you first hear him and
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  Then, yeah, when you get, when you're young, we coming up music
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  or whatever. And then, yeah, one day, you
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  just hear a trout apartment. I can't actually remember my
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  journey into loving them. I think the first thing I heard
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  was Panic, actually, I'd say pretty fair, which is not one of
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  the best necessarily, but I like to panic.
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  And then, yeah, I mean, as a guitar player, when you hear,
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  you know, anything that Johnny Mars done, You just hear it and
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  you just saw. I like I remember hearing
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  William is really nothing, it really is really nothing.
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  And you see that here that guitar pain instantly you just
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  you become successful instantly, you know, if you're a guitar
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  player and you hear the complexity of what he's doing
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  and you're always trying to push yourself, you just naturally
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  gravitate to them. I do feel as well.
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  That like it change when you become a musician, the way that
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  you listen to albums the way you approach.
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  Music is different from from there on.
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  Did you have the thing? Like I have this thing?
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  Where if I go to a goat a gig and I watch a band play Live.
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  Even if they're the best band ever, or, you know, it doesn't
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  doesn't matter who they are. I just sit there, like, that's a
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  tune. That's no, that's wrong.
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  I do. And I'm not even trying to be a
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  dick about it. I'm not sitting at.
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  It's just that if I hear it, can't unhear it.
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  Yeah, but see, when I listen to music for me, it's more of a
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  feeling that I get are never And this is why I mess up, was a lot
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  of my covers because I'm so I just feel it, it's really weird
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  to say, but I'm not so focused on that, what whether the right
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  notes, like a lot of times I watch something on YouTube or,
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  you know, I'll go to a gig. I went Oasis in Shifu 2005.
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  And then everyone was like, ahh, Liam's voice was, I won't say
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  the word terrible tonight, and I was thinking to myself, I just
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  didn't even notice. I was just like watching him.
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  Like whoa. And I just felt the energy.
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  And to me, I know that sounds really like, what's the word he
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  says? I'm making it up and I'm just
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  saying that but I promise you. That's how I feel generally.
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  I just like, I get so into the Zone, I don't even notice stuff
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  like myself, so I get what you mean.
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  I mean, the first time that I saw Metallica live in concert,
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  it was similar like I was already a musician by that point
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  and I remember thinking, like, part of my, my small part of my
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  mind was like, oh, you know, it's not like, Greatest live set
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  ever in like you know there were a bit older and such but like
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  the bigger part of me was so blown away by like how massive
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  it was and how intense it was and because for them they really
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  make a big deal of that the spectacle in the performance.
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  Yeah yeah yeah and I was the same as you.
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  I was blown away and I still am. I think what I meant more was
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  just like I feel like a lot of people that I speak to the
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  aren't musicians, if they, if I would say that to them, Like if
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  I turned to a friend and be like oh, that was Out Of Tune, I just
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  as a joke, they won't hear that. But I feel like other musicians
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  will keep ya like that. I simply saying you're more
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  tuned into to the musicianship. Yeah.
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  Definitely. It's like a blessing and a
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  curse. It's like a good thing because
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  it means any other musician. You can kind of speak to and you
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  connect with instantly but at the same time it's a curse
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  because it's like you can't unhear that and it's like God
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  damn it. I think it's.
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  Yes. I'm like that with my own stuff
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  when I listen to other people's stuff.
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  I'm never judgmental. But oh God, everything that I
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  do. You know, it's, it's, it's
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  always sounds okay. The time.
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  And then I look back and I'm like a whore that was terrible,
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  you know, even some of the covers that gain momentum.
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  Now when I watch them all I can see is what I did wrong.
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  And I'm like, ah, I hear these notes and I hear the things I
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  did wrong and no one else ever comments on them, and I'm like,
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  oh, that's interesting. Natural progression, actually,
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  although I know that feeling like I can remember times when I
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  was very young and my first band, and I come off stage just
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  like upset, like, oh, that was her tune.
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  That was bad. And then, I'd go to a friend and
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  of like another band and I'd be like, oh my God, that was
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  terrible. Did you hear that?
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  And he's like here. What?
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  I? Yeah, definitely.
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  Yeah. I used to be in a theater show.
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  Oh, cool. Funny enough is a Michael
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  Jackson tribute show back in the back in about 12 years ago and I
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  went to audition. It was in Blackpool in.
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  The globe fear. So it was a big production.
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  And I joined later joined, like I was the last person to join
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  the cast and I went in, and I auditioned live to the songs, I
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  was playing the Beats Solo. And then after that I was just
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  doing some riffing basically on electorate cool.
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  And I swear to God, I've messy up like, honestly, if you'd
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  heard what I did, you would have probably laughed, but I did it.
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  And I just thought honestly that feeling in my stomach is upset.
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  Sick. They were like celebrities you
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  know singers that we were doing the show as well for how
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  embarrassing I've just paid Savory and afters.
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  The threats come up to me was that?
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  That was amazing. I'm so glad we got you on board
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  you're going to make another what's exqueeze me love.
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  What I just did was just like to me, it was the worst thing ever.
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  Let me go - you messed us up but you improvised and you just got
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  like you just got through it and got through it.
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  Yeah, I just, I just bounce great, but then to me in Sauron.
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  See my hand was shaking like this.
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  I think part of being an artist is being very self-critical
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  because yes, you have to be that to a degree to be able to
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  progress to the level. You want to get to, you have to
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  be focused on what you can improve.
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  You know, do you we sell really? Yeah, no, I completely agree.
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  I have the exact same mindset as you.
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  I think I'm Yeah I definitely my own worst critic with everything
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  I do but like given that that's the case.
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  Like how do you deal with criticisms?
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  You get from, I don't know, maybe from people on YouTube or
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  or other people in the industry like how do you how do you deal
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  with with that in general but what's your approach to
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  criticism? I listened to it and if it's
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  something that I've already fought myself because most stuff
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  I've already thought about myself anyway.
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  So by the time someone I'm already like, man.
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  I'm like, yeah, I know. Yeah.
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  Thank you. Do you know what?
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  I absolutely am fine with criticism.
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  As long as it's Justified, as long as it's warranted.
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  Like, you know, I'll get the odd comment saying that's out of
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  time. You're not playing perfect
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  Rhythm you, to practice with a metronome.
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  You know, that's totally wrong. You met and some of the things
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  I'm like, actually, he's right. I can hear that.
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  And, and generally, there's even been comments are responding to
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  up in like, yeah, you're right actually and you know, nothing's
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  ever going to be perfect when you do down.
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  Um but when you get comments that are just, you know, I just
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  you know they're not true that's just easy for me to say
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  something true. You know, but lucky for me I've
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  been massively blessed to have a lot of positivity towards what
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  I've done. So for me you know if it was a
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  lot of negativity compared to belly and positive on my
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  struggle but I find the ratio is pretty good.
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  I'm I can't complain. You know, I thought that's
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  tricky when you do start. You know, like like for instance
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  with me I'm starting to get more positivity now but it was like a
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  long time of like apathy and then lots of hate and then
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  eventually some positives, but I feel like it's largely
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  outweighed by apathy and hey, and then, you know, but I if
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  anything I prefer hate apples, I think apathy is the worst.
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  When you put something out and just gets nothing, it's like Oh
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  yeah, believe me, believe me. You can look at my channel now,
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  think I'm doing. Okay.
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  I remember, I started posting videos on Facebook first thing
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  about 2015. Yeah, that's what.
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  When I very first started, I was posting about 2015 first, I just
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  started post on with my family and friends crickets, literally
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  crickets. No one cared, maybe one like
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  from my from my aunt in America because she was proud of me and
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  shouldn't see meet years. Nobody cared at all and that
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  went on. About two and a half years but I
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  still kept putting them out there, putting them out there
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  because I was enjoying it. And then even on YouTube, it
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  took a good three years for me to get anywhere on YouTube, I
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  would say. So did you start that?
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  Because I was going to, this was going to be on the question.
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  I was going to ask you actually. So, right, so you started with
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  with the Facebook. Did you?
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  How long after that? Did you set up the YouTube?
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  Think I set up to YouTube. Set up YouTube in about probably
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  2015 as well, Rand the time. Yeah, the time I was just
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  posting metal stuff actually because I used to lie, still a
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  massive, you to know I've seen Metallica's.
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  Welcome to worry Wembley Stadium.
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  And yes, you're right closure. Yes, I would just, I would just
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  cut in there as well because I find this really interesting I
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  started out in metal like a playing in metal bands, right?
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  And then somewhere in like 2013 when I sort of Stop being in
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  bands and I was sort of forced to do acoustic.
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  Suddenly it was like like acoustic from there on and then
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  yeah, ever. Since then it's been acoustic
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  acoustic in the experimental orders of us that I still love
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  metal as well. But it's like such an
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  interesting transition. It's like so is because I sigh
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  learning guitar when in like the 90s and funny enough to be one
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  of the first on the first hour. Albums that I started to learn.
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  Well, the first tab book I bought was Californication wire,
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  but it was bought for me, as a Christmas present.
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  So I just started learning because it's the only thing I
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  have, I didn't, you know, I didn't know that ultimate
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  guitar, whatever back then, I was just just, my dad gave me a
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  guitar. Would the tabs correct?
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  Because I find like a lot of tab books are incorrect or looking
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  back. Probably not, probably not.
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  Although this was an official one though.
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  It was official, okay. All right.
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  The official ones on correct. Like, was apparently some of the
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  base Tabs are wrong for Metallica ones.
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  See back then. I wish I had it with smartphone
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  because I can listen back into what I was playing and see I
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  mean at the time I thought I was doing all right, but maybe
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  looking back, they will completely wrong.
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  But yeah, right. So yeah for me, I started
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  progressing and then my friend showed me.
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  It was, it was in the late 90s from Papa Papa Roach Limp
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  Biscuit, Linkin Park, all these bands around and my mate showed
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  me that, what song was that you played last resort, remember
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  last resort, but I put my life into my friend.
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  Yeah, so it blew my mind and then from that point, I was
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  like, okay, let me try and do that.
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  And then I listen to them and then, you know, I went to
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  college it. Amused.
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  Corsair and the teacher played Unbroken by Pantera wound.
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  A yeah, that was part of our music lesson because he was a
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  metal Edge. I heard that.
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  And I'm so lucky. How do you hear, how do I do
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  that? So I started doing that and
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  then, you know, I went on to any Killswitch Engage.
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  We're getting big at the time and machine.
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  Herbs and oils are, okay, and we'll do that and it just what
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  you just because you're trying to learn an instrument, you just
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  gets progressively harder and harder and harder.
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  And I think that's why I went down that route but I mean, but
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  I loved the music obviously, you know, it's the same but I think
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  I've forgotten the question now, what was I even trying to answer
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  their their debts? That's fine.
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  We'll get back to that. I will say that like I'm very
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  jealous of your music education at school because mine was
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  nothing like that. Like I was growing up on metal
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  and rock and all of that. Stuff.
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  But like my music lessons. I went in there thinking like I
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  should be great. You know I love music.
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  I get to learn and all this stuff and it was literally just
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  fucking keyboards for three years.
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  Yeah, and like very little mostly Theory really but like,
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  music theory, music hit, but not like interesting music theory
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  where you learn something. It was like, I don't know,
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  connecting like Indian classical music to unlike the history of
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  and which Is fine. It was like, initially
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  interesting but then it got like really boring because we would
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  never experiment or do anything other than that.
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  And then, yeah, occasionally, you'd have like that lesson
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  where everyone sits in a circle and just like, it's some
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  fucking, I don't know, Tom's or where we have African drums and
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  shit, you know, did you know what my music education at
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  school was probably like that but for some reason, I went to
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  college and decided that I In to do a music course, although I
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  did. Okay.
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  Sorry. I've misunderstood decided
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  something called to access access to music and it was it
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  was called contemporary popular. Music was the name of the force.
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  I don't know why I decided to do that by did.
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  It makes makes perfect sense if you're into music to do a music
• 20:28
  course, I didn't even think of that time.
• 20:31
  I was just a basic guitar player than I I love music but I don't
• 20:34
  know why I thought I could do it, but I did an audition and I
• 20:38
  got in And then I had to play a song in front of like the the
• 20:42
  guy actually the same guy and I just paid some good jazz thing
• 20:46
  I've learned on on this DVD and I got in and then from there we
• 20:50
  just went you know it's just everything built for their
• 20:54
  thing. It's funny looking back.
• 20:57
  It actually is like how the journey progresses and we're
• 21:01
  take shot. I often think that about my
• 21:04
  music taste these days. I mean, it's I'm into like
• 21:07
  literally everything all different genres, everything,
• 21:10
  and yeah? Yeah.
• 21:11
  Just like the creative stuff is interesting.
• 21:14
  Because now I've started writing music again, just started
• 21:19
  writing some stuff for an upcoming EP and like, I'm
• 21:22
  listening back to, like what I did with my last solo EP.
• 21:26
  It's just so different, so I don't know.
• 21:29
  I think these things do change over time and your ideas but
• 21:33
  certainly the things you listen to largely shape.
• 21:36
  What you do and yeah. Yes.
• 21:41
  What you say, bring it, bring it back like you said.
• 21:44
  I think that's what happened. So I was used to paying
• 21:46
  complicated met over some stuff at this time.
• 21:50
  I was obviously still I was went gonna go in to see Oasis.
• 21:54
  I was still into this stuff at the same Time.
• 21:57
  But I think with like you say when when I maybe got older it
• 22:02
  was just more confined to my bedroom playing with an acoustic
• 22:05
  guitar you know, and then you hear the Smiths, he hit us up
• 22:09
  joining Milestone, which is easy as complicated as the stuff.
• 22:11
  You a nonmetal records when you try and play that stuff.
• 22:15
  It was just a natural like, whoa, you know, so yeah, what do
• 22:22
  you think about the key things that you've learned in this
• 22:24
  time? Because obviously, you know, you
• 22:26
  It with just uploading a couple of videos here and there around
• 22:28
  on Facebook and YouTube. And then as you said it took you
• 22:31
  like three years to really get some steam going on YouTube.
• 22:35
  So like in in this period let's let's call it that.
• 22:38
  Yeah, the last five years at what are the key things that
• 22:41
  you've learned in that time, in that time, about both, you know,
• 22:45
  releasing things on YouTube and also just in terms of your music
• 22:48
  like what the key lessons Good question.
• 22:53
  Understand if I'm a dancer to be honest.
• 22:56
  Like I say like it's weird because in terms of YouTube like
• 23:04
  I say let me answer the last questions briefly and just say I
• 23:08
  was uploading like metal stuff. I was uploading random little
• 23:11
  clips and then the moment it started to change some.
• 23:15
  What am I about about 50 subscribers?
• 23:17
  Maybe at the time? Maybe, maybe not even that and
• 23:20
  Liam Gallagher of well. Album will support.
• 23:25
  This is the first solo album, right?
• 23:28
  Yeah. I mean I've covered every song
• 23:30
  on the album almost on much. Do you think I know what the
• 23:31
  name of it was? Is it wasn't as you were with
• 23:34
  one before it. I'm going crazy.
• 23:38
  You know the album on talking about anyway - yeah, I know, I
• 23:41
  remember it got a lot of publicity and it was just
• 23:45
  interesting because it was obviously sounds very obvious to
• 23:49
  say, but Liam had never done solo stuff before.
• 23:52
  No, who'd always done solo stuff.
• 23:54
  Yeah. Yeah, this was Liam's first
• 23:56
  outing and it was very, as, you know, I tell a lie, no, he had.
• 24:02
  He had his own band. But this was, yeah, this was
• 24:05
  still his first record under his name solely and you're actually
• 24:10
  yes. Oh, he was with beady-eyed in
• 24:11
  the meantime, then he had a couple of years.
• 24:13
  Ice. Right?
• 24:13
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:14
  Yeah. Anyone I know, listen to this
• 24:18
  because I can't believe the Name Escapes Me.
• 24:19
  Anyway, living, I'm living in Manchester.
• 24:22
  The now, so that's probably like sacrilege not knowing this
• 24:26
  disinformation. Now we'll play a track from
• 24:32
  Liam. Gallagher then just go over the
• 24:34
  top. Yeah, but point point being
• 24:38
  anyway. Regardless of what Avail me out?
• 24:39
  Was a great album. I remember, I heard actually he
• 24:42
  did, he give you the gig and then on that geeky, play some
• 24:45
  eraser songs and then I heard paper crown, he did paper crown
• 24:49
  in the gig. And I heard paper crown, I was
• 24:52
  like, whoa, this is this is amazing.
• 24:56
  It's like the best thing I've heard since since I raced,
• 24:59
  especially definitely from Liam, what I did, write some video,
• 25:01
  our swords and I didn't expect anyone to watch my video, but I
• 25:06
  learn it straight away. What?
• 25:09
  The day of the Giga? I was at my mom's and I played
• 25:11
  the guitar. Learn it.
• 25:13
  I'll poke the video like the next morning.
• 25:16
  Oh wow. So I had this idea in my head.
• 25:17
  I wanted to be the first ones upload out, then why?
• 25:20
  Yeah. So I don't know.
• 25:21
  And then the video got instantly about 13,000 views in like two
• 25:27
  days because everyone's heard the song and go mad for it.
• 25:31
  But even at that time, I got off, couple of hundred
• 25:34
  subscribers, maybe like maybe I think about 100 or so time and
• 25:39
  that was amazing. So for all and then I heard the
• 25:42
  other songs on the album has I will let me try that.
• 25:44
  So I've got into doing that. And then by the end of the, I'd
• 25:47
  almost cover the whole album. At that point I started to gain
• 25:50
  like maybe B203, I would say probably about 350 Souls way
• 25:54
  into this. So I was my first kind of lesson
• 25:56
  that like, you know, if you're going to upload something and
• 26:01
  people, yeah, well to it and they like it, then stick with
• 26:07
  that theme, you know? Right.
• 26:09
  So did the whole album, I mean, I did the how I was I wanted to
• 26:12
  do anyway, but then I started uploading Oasis songs and the
• 26:15
  momentum started to like slowly build from now and say.
• 26:18
  So okay, where were you last night?
• 26:21
  There is you know, if you get people sorry to stop you, if you
• 26:25
  get people like interested in something, then you should stick
• 26:29
  with that stick with that theme, you know?
• 26:32
  And go with that for a while. Gone.
• 26:36
  You want to say something? So oh no, the only reason II
• 26:39
  sometimes do, this is just if I think of an interesting follow,
• 26:42
  I was just as you going to say, did you get a lot of start
• 26:45
  getting a lot of requests from your fans from that point?
• 26:48
  Onwards is that when that Yeah, here, and they're here with
• 26:52
  that. I mean, this is looking back on
• 26:54
  it now. I mean, you know, at a time it
• 26:56
  was like the bigger. I couldn't believe it.
• 26:57
  Five people commented on my video to Me, That - no, but
• 27:01
  yeah, and then I started doing a lot of storms, did a couple of
• 27:07
  BDI songs in some no songs. And then around that point,
• 27:12
  somebody contacted me on YouTube and said, oh, there's a group on
• 27:15
  Facebook called keeps Music Oasis and there there lies a
• 27:20
  lot. He's going to get YouTube
• 27:22
  tutorials and Oasis songs and I joined that and then that was
• 27:27
  another big part for me as well. I guess I keep one, you could
• 27:30
  call it h like sharing other platforms at the no, but I
• 27:32
  joined this Facebook group and we used to share our all our
• 27:36
  YouTube videos in them, and everyone was like a supportive
• 27:39
  Community where everyone goes to watch each other's videos
• 27:41
  comments on each other's videos. Yeah.
• 27:44
  That was, that was quite a big part of the development, I
• 27:47
  think, as well, you still part of this because I had this
• 27:50
  question written down, actually, it's also known as pmo Lads.
• 27:58
  The way I discovered, this was when I was looking on your
• 28:00
  Spotify and stuff, it was listed as a playlist.
• 28:02
  And as I do, this is interesting, and then it's
• 28:04
  obviously a collection of different musicians all in one
• 28:07
  place. So I figured it was probably
• 28:09
  like, as you say, like a community.
• 28:12
  But yeah, so it's different. It's different.
• 28:14
  Hello musicians, supporting each other essentially.
• 28:17
  Yeah. Yeah, not only is it, since it's
• 28:19
  just a place for people who like to play guitar, want to express
• 28:23
  themself, a means of private roof at a time, right?
• 28:25
  Yeah. Somebody say just a like-minded
• 28:27
  group of people that was actually achieved.
• 28:29
  What I talked about that was massive, because you start to
• 28:32
  build relationships with people, which is one thing I've noticed
• 28:35
  is very, very, very, very important.
• 28:38
  Yes. As well as good at playing
• 28:39
  guitar, singing, you need to you need to get on with people.
• 28:44
  And it was decent there because like I said, you've got natural
• 28:48
  Square every time you release a video you know there's going to
• 28:50
  be 20 30 people because you're coming on their videos as well
• 28:54
  that are all going to comment or going to like it some of them I
• 28:56
  share it to their friends on their Facebook so that yeah that
• 29:00
  was that was really good. I'm not on anymore to answer the
• 29:03
  question because I'm not on Facebook at all.
• 29:06
  I quit Facebook but all right, how comes Let's get a bit dark
• 29:13
  around the lockdown, starting to be honest, some sort of things
• 29:17
  that people's attitudes and things, people were saying, got
• 29:21
  very political, and it was fun. Yeah, yeah, that's don't waste.
• 29:26
  Time to die out as an it when that starts happening to be to
• 29:30
  tell you the truth, I only use Facebook purely as an
• 29:33
  advertising tool and to keep in touch with family and friends
• 29:36
  now I yeah, yeah, yeah, my should share the old meme.
• 29:40
  Other than that, just the fair. Fair play, Man, physically, move
• 29:47
  moving it Forward. Given that we've spoken a lot
• 29:50
  about, you know, you doing your covers and how that sort of
• 29:53
  happened and why you do that. Would you say, you've had much
• 29:58
  sort of success, with promoting your original music given that,
• 30:03
  you know, your I suppose like fan base on YouTube, is largely
• 30:08
  built from that expectation of those come castles because you
• 30:11
  obviously, I've had other musicians who, you know, who do
• 30:18
  who regularly do this? Have have kind of said that
• 30:20
  sometimes they get, you know, a bit of pushback.
• 30:22
  Like people go like, oh, I don't want to hear this.
• 30:24
  That when you're going to do your covers instead, okay,
• 30:27
  what's the general kind of reception to you?
• 30:29
  Releasing original music. Pretty much exactly what you
• 30:32
  said definitely definitely are. I think I'm definitely known and
• 30:36
  lights, way more for my. Don't get me wrong.
• 30:39
  I mean, outside of the into the world, the magical world of the
• 30:42
  internet. I do not since a lot of them.
• 30:45
  I do do Geeks that when, you know, I got, I've been offered
• 30:48
  Kings closest, I'm just a purely Originals, you know.
• 30:50
  So in the real world, I'm probably more well-known for my
• 30:53
  original music. They're my covers but the
• 30:57
  converse been started on YouTube really.
• 30:58
  Just because I always had this idea that like if I get big on
• 31:03
  YouTube for car, Then of us, an original song, and when I post
• 31:07
  my original song, yeah, we start the people be like, oh my God,
• 31:12
  you know, I was guaranteed, that was gonna happen.
• 31:15
  I knew it, and then reality set in, and people like the covers
• 31:19
  more, which is fine to be honest, because I don't mind,
• 31:23
  you know, now I'm kind of happy to just, I just like people
• 31:28
  listening to what I'm doing and people enjoying it, regardless
• 31:32
  of whether I wrote it or not, you know, So good for me so but
• 31:37
  with what you're saying it's not like you're saying that they
• 31:40
  hate your original music, they just prefer the covers so that
• 31:43
  would imply that there is some positivity that so what's the
• 31:45
  general kind of feedback? You're getting for your original
• 31:48
  music? Good.
• 31:50
  People love it. People really love it.
• 31:51
  I mean, I've had one of my songs, my recent song was played
• 31:54
  on my local radio station emotions.
• 31:57
  Yeah, a few times track of the week and like I'll get us.
• 32:01
  I did they've got me down for like future events.
• 32:04
  Star forming only my visual music does do okay.
• 32:09
  Funny enough, actually, before anything on YouTube ever, took
• 32:12
  off somehow a page with a million followers on Facebook.
• 32:17
  Found, one of my original songs and shared it on Facebook.
• 32:20
  Yeah. And it's not like however, many
• 32:23
  hundreds of thousands of use. Their didn't get any on YouTube.
• 32:25
  Obviously, typical. Yeah.
• 32:28
  So my first, my first actual right sort of notice of me
• 32:31
  taking off was through my original music.
• 32:33
  So I would definitely You say, like, people don't dislike it.
• 32:36
  It's obviously very different from the band's, I'll cover
• 32:39
  because that's just the way things are, isn't it?
• 32:41
  You know you just make what you make, right?
• 32:44
  You can't make you can't just copy.
• 32:46
  I mean you could if you wanted to but I'm not going to do it.
• 32:49
  I'm not gonna Papi what what I get popular covers, you know I'm
• 32:53
  just going to do what I think sounds good.
• 32:54
  So yeah. Respect.
• 32:59
  Yes, that's the attitude. I have actually I've got I've
• 33:02
  kind of gone like Full Throttle with my podcast because this was
• 33:06
  something I started just randomly I done podcast before
• 33:10
  and I was like, you know, I had a podcast end and then I was
• 33:13
  like, should I do my own? I've been thinking about this, I
• 33:15
  don't know. Soon as I started doing it, it
• 33:18
  was people seem to dig it and the more I yeah, more positive,
• 33:23
  it is. So, I don't know, I kind of
• 33:25
  agree with you. I think if you find Something
• 33:27
  like, roll with it. I do what you want, do what you
• 33:29
  love but ultimately push, mainly push the thing that's doing that
• 33:34
  people respond to the most suppose.
• 33:35
  Yeah. And you know what, I think I
• 33:37
  know this integrity and all this stuff as well but at the end of
• 33:40
  the day the chances of making it.
• 33:42
  There's so many incredible musicians like you know us
• 33:46
  included in that I'm not beating myself up.
• 33:48
  But you know in terms of like I know a lot of people that just
• 33:52
  play Open Mic nights and impulse who for me, they're way better
• 33:55
  than people that I'm here. On the radio, but the chance of
• 33:59
  making it in. Music is so minutely.
• 34:02
  Slim that if you start to build momentum in something, you start
• 34:06
  to, you know, get positive feedback.
• 34:09
  If you've got a chance of making it in some way, you should just
• 34:12
  go with what's working. Well, I think because the music
• 34:15
  might never happen is always a passion.
• 34:18
  I do I but I personally don't I don't really care to be a famous
• 34:23
  musician. Yeah, I always want to make the
• 34:25
  music I like and Put it out there.
• 34:27
  There's a couple of people like it, then that's wicked but I
• 34:31
  don't want to be in the charts or you know, all this stuff
• 34:33
  necessarily. So you know, I'm quite happy for
• 34:38
  me to go with works. I'm not going to turn down the
• 34:43
  top 10 album you know but it's not my ultimate goals such know.
• 34:48
  I agree with you. I used two years ago I used to
• 34:51
  have that attitude like I'm sure many musicians do when they
• 34:54
  start out like yeah I want to be really famous successful.
• 34:57
  For everything. Yeah, and then you then you
• 34:59
  actually, yeah, there's the realization sits in.
• 35:01
  You play a couple of hundred gigs.
• 35:04
  You see generally like I think when you start playing because
• 35:08
  this is the reality, when you start out as a musician, you're
• 35:11
  playing two new one. I remember my first my last show
• 35:15
  with my my first metal band. Literally.
• 35:18
  We play to the fucking sound engineer and my ex-girlfriend
• 35:21
  that was it. That was how we went out.
• 35:23
  We played our hearts out and everything but given that we
• 35:27
  Played together for like three years.
• 35:29
  All sorts of different venues I think on average, we'd be lucky
• 35:32
  to get a couple of people in there and that's the reality of
• 35:35
  the gigging circuit when you're starting.
• 35:38
  Yeah and yeah keep at it. You have to keep pushing for it
• 35:41
  but I think yeah, yeah. I came across a lot of bands
• 35:45
  that particular and for metal, you know, it's arguably even
• 35:51
  more oversaturated in many ways because everyone kind of sounds
• 35:55
  the same, so it's very difficult to stick.
• 35:56
  Out. But I saw some bands that could
• 35:59
  definitely make it. And yeah, they just they just
• 36:02
  didn't for whatever reason and I kind of put it down to this.
• 36:06
  I think in general with music it comes down to who you know you
• 36:13
  know like if you can get an industry contact just fucking
• 36:17
  run with it. Don't worry about like Integrity
• 36:20
  or like, you know, or should I or shouldn't?
• 36:23
  I just, yeah, if you have the contact, ask them.
• 36:27
  See what happens. That's number one.
• 36:29
  And then number two, I think it's a combination of like lock
• 36:35
  having the right look and shit and this is where I go agree
• 36:38
  with you. The whole not caring about
• 36:40
  becoming because like for me I don't really buy into the idea
• 36:45
  of doing it, you know, via the pop charts or what I got with
• 36:51
  me. My goal is to do like
• 36:53
  independent music and if it gets he gets big or whatever, but I
• 36:58
  want to do it independently. I don't want to have anyone
• 37:00
  owning it or anyone controlling it because.
• 37:02
  Yeah, I think it's bollocks. And this funnily enough leads me
• 37:05
  into a random question. I was going to ask you because I
• 37:08
  thought this was interesting to get your opinion on this, as a
• 37:11
  fellow musician. Like, what are your thoughts on
• 37:14
  like talent shows like Britain's Got Talent and X Factor?
• 37:17
  Because, to be honest, you know, you're very talented musician.
• 37:22
  You could go on there. I've thought about it, you know,
• 37:25
  over the years But I think the main thing that puts me off is
• 37:29
  just how it's kind of a spectacle and not in the good
• 37:34
  way, you know, it's like you go on there and it's not about your
• 37:40
  talent. It's about, can you sell their
• 37:43
  TV show you entertaining? Do you fit their mold?
• 37:46
  You know, like, very few musicians on their actually make
• 37:50
  it and are continuously successful.
• 37:53
  Normally it's like a couple of years or a year and then that's
• 37:56
  it. They Throw you out and you know.
• 37:58
  Yeah, I mean that that is true, that is true.
• 38:02
  But you know funny enough that can do music is this going to be
• 38:05
  like that as well. You know, live solutely.
• 38:07
  Yeah. You know, you kind of have to be
• 38:10
  an Entertainer and I have a story to you in a spectacle as
• 38:12
  well. So I don't think it's actually
• 38:14
  that far removed from the reality of the music industry.
• 38:17
  I'm sure there's people out there that are way better,
• 38:19
  musicians aren't famous. Yeah, however, what was my view
• 38:24
  on the tan shows? When I was a bit younger
• 38:28
  actually, when I was very young and they first started, I love
• 38:31
  them. Yeah, put it brilliant.
• 38:33
  I love seeing people sing on my TV you know and it was funny as
• 38:36
  well and then you know I got into that age where I just found
• 38:41
  it totally cringe and a lot of people were saying to me go on
• 38:44
  go you should go and you should go and expats are as people said
• 38:48
  to me today on La, awesome, maybe you would never see me
• 38:51
  dead on X Factor Me Over My Dead Body.
• 38:57
  I would never sell out my soul to, you know, and then
• 39:01
  obviously, you know, the years went by and probably lies
• 39:05
  somewhere in between the two. Now, I don't watch him
• 39:07
  necessarily I'm not against them as such.
• 39:12
  I think. My biggest problem we're going
• 39:14
  on, there would be what you said.
• 39:16
  Is that actually my biggest problem with going on, there
• 39:18
  would be that I would always be the guy from X Factor or the guy
• 39:23
  from Brittany Italian. If I ever got anywhere in wood,
• 39:26
  don't be like, you know. Oh and then buries a really good
• 39:29
  musician. Maybe like our a department.
• 39:31
  Yeah, it's remembering. You want expert to?
• 39:33
  Yeah. And I don't want that attached
• 39:35
  to me. I wouldn't want that stigma
• 39:38
  attached to my name. That would be the worst thing
• 39:40
  for me, but I mean, I'm sure he has done good for people who've
• 39:45
  gone on there. People like me, you've
• 39:47
  considered it and gone on there, even if they haven't become
• 39:50
  famous, I'm sure their profile raise the bit, you know.
• 39:55
  I just think that's like, It is fine if you don't care about the
• 39:58
  whole manufactured thing and you're happy to just toe the
• 40:01
  line and do what you're told. Then great.
• 40:03
  But like, I very rarely can, I can think of an example of a
• 40:08
  genuinely good song that came out of like, an X Factor winner
• 40:12
  or like a runner-up or something.
• 40:14
  Like, the only musician. I really dug at one time, was
• 40:19
  probably that James Arthur guy. And then, yeah, that's the
• 40:24
  thing, but I feel like when he In on that show.
• 40:26
  He was like you and me he'd been doing it.
• 40:29
  Yeah. Is he had a raw talent?
• 40:31
  He was a good songwriter like he he came on there an original
• 40:35
  song and it was excellent. And now he's doing the pop thing
• 40:39
  and it's like I feel like what was special about him is now
• 40:44
  gone. It's like, it's not, it's not
• 40:47
  the same anymore. Yeah, I'll get you a, he
• 40:49
  probably had the same one so though he probably went for it
• 40:51
  and then, yeah, it was going well when he fought, I'll run
• 40:53
  with it. This might be my only chance
• 40:55
  ever to do anything. Do you know what?
• 40:57
  This preview on to another thing?
• 40:59
  I think there's a lot of, a lot of people get down on musicians
• 41:02
  for the type of music they play. And, you know, they might see
• 41:05
  like Ariana Grande and the varnish and Below.
• 41:08
  How dare you disgusting. Madonna song, you don't even
• 41:12
  know but you don't know what people really, you know,
• 41:15
  listening to him playing behind closed doors and what their fans
• 41:18
  of so, but see that's the, that's the danger you see, right
• 41:21
  there. What you're saying, if you're
• 41:22
  like a band, that's known. Okay, let's say you come up on
• 41:27
  your own accord. You don't have that expectation.
• 41:31
  You don't have that label attached to you, like Ariana
• 41:33
  Grande if she want like you say she might, she might be into all
• 41:36
  sorts of things and she's somehow not allowed to play
• 41:39
  those things. Where as I feel like if you Come
• 41:41
  up on your own accord and unlike make it yourself, you can kind
• 41:45
  of do whatever you want. You know, to an extent.
• 41:48
  Yeah. I like there are certain
• 41:49
  musicians that you know like someone, if take someone like
• 41:52
  post Malone, as an example, you know, he regularly placed like
• 41:56
  rock music and no one like you get a few people that I like,
• 42:00
  what. But the difference with him is
• 42:02
  that he was really slogging it for many, many years.
• 42:06
  And he came up and he got his opportunity and he rolled with
• 42:09
  it, but he's very vocal about. Liking all types of music and
• 42:13
  yeah, I was it and does it well, I think but you know yeah but
• 42:22
  like I said I think that's that. I think that's part of the
• 42:24
  industry. I think I think the industry
• 42:27
  making it, I don't think it's necessarily what musicians might
• 42:33
  think is in terms of you know you keep your integrity of the
• 42:36
  whole way. I mean, John Lennon used to say
• 42:40
  that. The things he was subjected to
• 42:43
  being part of the Beatles and becoming famous or so soldiers
• 42:47
  showing and so, you know, so that like they literally stole
• 42:51
  his soul for him. He was miserable by the time
• 42:53
  help come out. He was depressed.
• 42:55
  He was totally like, you know, and even he say, we're not with
• 42:59
  sold out.we nothing like they used to be and we look up, it
• 43:02
  was more like, you know, best thing ever.
• 43:05
  But I think the music industry. Yeah.
• 43:08
  It's you don't have nowhere near as much as controls.
• 43:11
  What we might want there to be and we want dream of when we
• 43:15
  think of being a musician. So I don't you think being an
• 43:17
  unsigned independent musician, isn't as bad as what the stigma
• 43:21
  that surrounds it. You don't agree with the things
• 43:25
  you want to do a out what you want to do.
• 43:27
  That's the ultimate power isn't these.
• 43:28
  This is the key. This is kind of what I wanted to
• 43:31
  allude to as well, because I feel like a lot of even big big
• 43:34
  musicians are trying to make that move.
• 43:37
  Like Metallica, did it back in somewhere?
• 43:41
  The mid 2010s, they created their own record label and moved
• 43:45
  everything to that because they wanted to own their music and
• 43:47
  everyone's like, what would you mean they didn't own their
• 43:49
  music? No they didn't.
• 43:50
  The record company owned their music and like with that comes
• 43:56
  many things, it's not just about not owning your music and not
• 43:59
  making the full extent of the money that you're owed from it.
• 44:01
  But also there's an expectation, you know?
• 44:05
  Like the record companies have been like, right, you have to
• 44:07
  create Three albums in five years as part of our contract
• 44:14
  and it's like, well not everyone's creative process
• 44:17
  works that way. Some people take longer some
• 44:20
  people can put out music regularly.
• 44:22
  You know, like for instance recently the Spotify CEO said
• 44:25
  that bullshit about Laguna musicians should be making music
• 44:28
  more regularly and blah, blah blah and it's like, dude, you're
• 44:32
  so I touch. You have no idea how this works.
• 44:38
  The only person like that in the in music, even he doesn't make
• 44:43
  like, I know, everyone hates you, and I know if I'm Hazel to
• 44:46
  get it as well, I think they do. Yeah, a lot of people want.
• 44:50
  A lot of people, I know do. All right.
• 44:53
  Loves the stuff that he did before his famous and yeah, fuck
• 44:56
  album and around that time, the folk music that he was making so
• 45:00
  good. But I feel like he might be the
• 45:03
  only one who's still would gain some control over, what he
• 45:06
  releases and when he releases it.
• 45:08
  It because he hasn't, he's straight a little bit in recent
• 45:11
  years, but he's taking these gaps for like, you know, two
• 45:14
  years before you mix album. I wonder if he's kept some of
• 45:18
  these control maybe he seems like he might have to agree.
• 45:21
  I think so. Yeah, I mean, because like there
• 45:24
  are musicians that do it. I know Mac Demarco is another
• 45:27
  example of a musician who's done that, but and there were many
• 45:32
  people who because he released an album in 2019 and that was
• 45:35
  the first one that was under independent.
• 45:38
  It was a drastic difference in the sound and the theme I guess
• 45:44
  and there's a lot of people who critics who were just kind of
• 45:47
  like maybe this isn't a good idea for them to be independent.
• 45:49
  Maybe there should be like some degree of control over it but I
• 45:53
  think the key thing is like, if the musician gets to do whatever
• 45:55
  they want, It can only be good for the music, but at the same
• 46:00
  time you do need a, some people around you saying, like this is
• 46:03
  a bad idea, maybe you should do this, maybe you shouldn't do
• 46:06
  that, but not but not people who get so much of a say that like
• 46:11
  they can they can like change the direction of the music
• 46:14
  completely when they have nothing to do with it, like if
• 46:17
  they're, if they're involved in some way.
• 46:19
  I think it's a good thing but if it's like recognized Executives
• 46:23
  who just seeing dollar signs and they don't care about the
• 46:27
  creative. Reaction.
• 46:28
  That's the I think wider issues Stephanie.
• 46:32
  Yeah, anyway, let's bring it back to you because it's about
• 46:35
  you, you started releasing your music in a more professional
• 46:40
  capacity via Spotify. Back in 2018, was it difficult
• 46:45
  to get on there? Talk to us a little bit about
• 46:47
  the process to getting on Spotify, because I've managed to
• 46:50
  do it for my podcast, but that was kind of through a
• 46:53
  distributor and I was able to do it for free and stuff.
• 46:56
  But for music And I understand it's a little bit trickier.
• 46:59
  It's not straightforward. Like how did you achieve that?
• 47:05
  Is it if I'm honest with you it was just a case of me.
• 47:11
  Yeah. Going for a distributor and just
• 47:12
  uploaded, you know. Okay.
• 47:14
  There was no other. I mean, maybe, I don't know,
• 47:17
  maybe someone behind the scenes, gave me a little leg up or
• 47:19
  something, but as far as I know, I just put my stuff on there,
• 47:23
  you know, I'll pay for the right to put it on, then I put it on
• 47:25
  there, right? So you do have a paid paid to do
• 47:27
  it then is it like? Oh yeah.
• 47:33
  I don't have any sort of interest from people who put me
• 47:36
  on there for me now. So what is that like a monthly
• 47:39
  or, you know, who's not getting for free?
• 47:45
  I well, that's the thing. I don't think you can.
• 47:47
  If it's music. I don't think it's possible.
• 47:49
  Yeah, yeah. But do you pay like regularly
• 47:52
  for that then? Or is that just a one-off thing?
• 47:54
  And now your musics always there?
• 47:56
  It's not just a yearly membership through through
• 48:01
  through a Seder name. Hey, you don't have to give me
• 48:03
  details. I was just curious about like
• 48:05
  the process, to be honest. Like how ya?
• 48:07
  Like she's pay for a membership upload music.
• 48:09
  I've got covers license so I can all covered with me before our
• 48:12
  pay a little bit more for that which I'm going to do soon.
• 48:15
  Actually people at home I'm going to be putting the covers
• 48:18
  album out but yeah anyway, yeah well that's found that that fits
• 48:22
  in nicely as a segue to what I wanted to ask you Nets like
• 48:26
  given that we've had more time in the lockdown.
• 48:28
  Like I know that you work full-time and such.
• 48:30
  But do you have have you had More time to kind of work on
• 48:35
  your own music because of the lockdown.
• 48:38
  And we're going to be seeing some more kind of original music
• 48:42
  from you as well as the covers always the covers the main thing
• 48:45
  that we're looking at the moment.
• 48:49
  Very good question. I had an album planned where
• 48:52
  it's come out this year the time that I had it, the time I came
• 48:56
  up with the idea and I wrote two songs and stuff you know I only
• 48:59
  had about 800 subscribers so maybe you know I I say only
• 49:03
  that's that was brilliant. But compared to now it's you
• 49:06
  know what? You went down close to about 2k
• 49:08
  or was 14, I think 13k. I think I'm at 12.5 something
• 49:14
  like that minute. That's gone up since the last
• 49:17
  time I went on your channel Jesus.
• 49:20
  Yeah. I'm getting about 200 a day, so
• 49:22
  I'll be holding if you guys. Yeah, but I know it's mad.
• 49:25
  He took me, it took me, I think three and a half years to get to
• 49:28
  a thousand and it's taken me on fire.
• 49:33
  Mumps to get to 12. So it's all the time in
• 49:35
  lockdown, everyone's got all the time in the world and they're
• 49:37
  like, hey who's this guy? Do keep getting recommend?
• 49:39
  Oh my God, this guy is amazing. Okay, lot of comments that you
• 49:43
  from people just like, I thought it was going to be crap and then
• 49:48
  listen to it was really good and I was like, ah, thanks to best
• 49:53
  ever since I saw Susan Boyle on that talent show, I never make
• 49:57
  that, that error. I mean, I mean shitty to judge
• 50:00
  people on the way they look anyway, but like Like it has
• 50:03
  fuck all to do with with musical Talent.
• 50:05
  It's like like what. But like in general, it's like I
• 50:12
  always just sit there and just go right.
• 50:14
  Let's see, let's see what they have to offer and it's really
• 50:17
  can go either way. But I think a big giveaway as
• 50:20
  well is like how someone record something.
• 50:24
  So I guess you create views and like because I see sometimes
• 50:27
  like if it's going to be bad, it will usually be like the person
• 50:30
  hasn't like, Not necessarily that it's bad quality camera or
• 50:36
  something. But like more that like how
• 50:37
  they've chosen to film it. Like if they do it like
• 50:39
  portrayed they've set it somewhere and it's you know
• 50:42
  Louise okay this person knows what they're doing and yeah,
• 50:46
  yeah exactly yeah I mean yeah awesome make those judgments
• 50:50
  today you as a human being you have to make some judgments on
• 50:53
  what you think somebody could, which is possible.
• 50:56
  Not why it's important to try and present your thumbnails and
• 51:01
  stuff like that for any aspiring YouTube people.
• 51:04
  It is important to do that stuff.
• 51:05
  Yeah. What was the question?
• 51:13
  Well, actually it was it was regarding your upcoming music.
• 51:17
  I've got a lot of questions here.
• 51:18
  I mean, lets you know, your most recent track That You released
• 51:21
  was they wanted it all which You released on June 14th to going,
• 51:28
  right? And what you see this, this is
• 51:30
  the thing like they're all listed as demo is but they're
• 51:34
  good quality like production-wise do you know it's
• 51:36
  a solid stuff it gives it gives a good idea of kind of like the
• 51:39
  type of music that you're going for.
• 51:42
  And like the question I have here is, yeah, like, can we
• 51:45
  expect an EP in 2020 given that you know, that's the last time
• 51:49
  we got music from you. So yeah, so that's tricky thing
• 51:54
  because I had this idea that I was going to record.
• 51:57
  I've got about 20 songs or so, okay.
• 52:01
  And I was going to put on an albumin or soap set on doing it.
• 52:06
  And then all of a sudden, you know, my YouTube went crazy and
• 52:10
  you know, I thought free. 2,000 views on one video and then
• 52:13
  somebody on Reddit told me you're doing so well, on the
• 52:17
  them out numbers you're getting four covers is crazy, why don't
• 52:20
  you put them on Spotify and it loads of people in the comments,
• 52:23
  the same put them on, put put them on Spotify want to listen
• 52:26
  to it wherever I go and I thought hmm.
• 52:28
  Maybe I should focus on doing that because again, it's that
• 52:33
  it's that argument of, you know, if I've got a wave and I want to
• 52:37
  ride it for a little bit, I can put my originals out mi in two
• 52:40
  years time, in two years. Time of the covers.
• 52:42
  No, no of my care anymore. So, you know, you could you
• 52:46
  could kind of do a mixture, you know?
• 52:49
  So like have have like an album an original album that features
• 52:53
  a couple of covers on it. And yeah I forbade that I came.
• 52:58
  Concept actually, for an album called 50/50 where I have to use
• 53:03
  original songs and 50% covers are for about that as well.
• 53:07
  But the only problem is some of my visions of recorded in a
• 53:10
  studio in from proper producers, and then the covers because
• 53:13
  we're in lockdown, is not going to happen.
• 53:15
  So there's going to be a blatant.
• 53:17
  Mismatch of, you know, professional shooter re-recorded
• 53:20
  songs and then you'll home demo music ones.
• 53:24
  So, the verdict is still out on whether I love.
• 53:27
  Now, mama, I really am. We're at Sea.
• 53:30
  I'm not gonna lie to you that. I'm going to write this wave of
• 53:34
  the covers being, probably more prominently now in two or three
• 53:38
  weeks, and one about me and someone else comes along and
• 53:40
  then I'll get back onto the original stuff.
• 53:42
  It's like, I was saying to you before earlier in the
• 53:46
  conversation, we were talking about, it's like riding this
• 53:48
  wave. I think it's.
• 53:49
  Yeah, you go, you go with what's working, you know, go with
• 53:52
  what's, what's Poppin Off the most?
• 53:54
  And yeah I don't think you can go wrong, really, especially if
• 53:58
  your audience. Is kind of saying like, hey we
• 53:59
  want this, give us more of this. It's like, crazy not to, and a
• 54:04
  point just to say, as well, it's not like, I'm just doing this
• 54:07
  and like, oh yeah, that's going to make me money.
• 54:08
  So I would do that. I did, I actually enjoyed it.
• 54:11
  The stuff that I'm being asked to do is a, is a passion of mine
• 54:14
  as well. I love working out how other
• 54:16
  people based, on some do, my own arrangements.
• 54:19
  So really, it's not even. Like, I'm just like, you know,
• 54:22
  we want to get my visuals out there, but they want to cover of
• 54:25
  Wannabe by a Spice Girls. I just By the way.
• 54:33
  No online after I, what I want to see that, that would be
• 54:36
  amazing. I mean, version of Baby One More
• 54:40
  Time by Britney Spears. Hey, I want to see it, man.
• 54:43
  We all want to see them probably get 13,000 unfollowers.
• 54:47
  What do that? But nah, yeah.
• 54:49
  I know I can do like, given what I've heard already.
• 54:54
  I can tell that you drop down. It sounds sick and I know
• 54:57
  everyone that what is going to watch.
• 54:59
  This would agree with me on that.
• 55:00
  Like there's thank you. Want to go?
• 55:01
  We'll see. In the sea, like if you re one
• 55:09
  of my Christmas, Brittany album 2000s when she's faced.
• 55:14
  Why not man? Why not?
• 55:15
  If it's okay. So let's, let's switch it up a
• 55:20
  little bit, talk to me a little bit about, you know, your day
• 55:24
  job. You don't have to give me
• 55:25
  specifics. But like, the, the bigger
• 55:26
  question I think that's here is, like, how do you kind of
• 55:29
  balance, you know, having that day job?
• 55:32
  And and music and is it difficult to manage?
• 55:37
  What are the biggest challenges we've gots to that?
• 55:41
  Yeah, it's difficult to manage. You know, some of my best ideas
• 55:44
  come to me when I'm working with you're so annoying.
• 55:47
  I mean I've had jobs in the past which is very clear about saying
• 55:50
  now, because they've gone where I'm just rattling, they dreamed
• 55:54
  write lyrics to songs, but for like an hour on a Post-It note,
• 55:59
  you know, and then and he don't ruin my head and then I'm not
• 56:02
  doing my work, you know. So he loves walks in my job that
• 56:06
  I'm doing now. I actually really enjoy the work
• 56:09
  is so intense. I work in an electro, leave it
• 56:14
  at that. So it's quite intense, it's
• 56:16
  quite intense, quite mental. So don't have a, I don't have a
• 56:19
  lot of mental space that you can be drifting off.
• 56:23
  So it is difficult because I want to spend more time doing
• 56:27
  music. You know, I want all I ever want
• 56:30
  from music. Remember, We spend covers all
• 56:33
  the plane and parts or pay my regionals.
• 56:35
  It's just an enough set up, you know, 2,000 pound a month.
• 56:39
  So that's the work and I can put more time into it.
• 56:42
  That is my ultimate goal in life to like 2,000 pound a month,
• 56:46
  from music being sorted. So I think is difficult because
• 56:52
  I have this passion and I always think about how much I could be
• 56:55
  doing right now. Like on this album would be out
• 56:58
  tomorrow but if I wasn't working, you know, and as love
• 57:01
  to do it but It's difficult? Yeah, it's difficult.
• 57:07
  I don't really know what the answer is.
• 57:08
  How a manager? I'm not sure, I do.
• 57:10
  I just whenever I've got free time, I do something, you know,
• 57:12
  so I can do but I could be doing a lot more if I didn't have this
• 57:16
  job, definitely. I'm kind of in the same boat as
• 57:20
  you because, okay, I'm unemployed right now, I'm
• 57:23
  freelancing and stuff. So I'm lucky in that sense that
• 57:25
  of, you know, being able to put all the time into the YouTube
• 57:28
  but like, obviously, there's that worry in the back of my
• 57:31
  mind as soon as I find a job, it's going to be really tricky
• 57:34
  to find the time and I'm starting with a, I'm gonna work
• 57:37
  my ass off and make sure it happens.
• 57:39
  But the same time. It's just, it's just going to
• 57:40
  get more difficult, it's just the reality of the situation.
• 57:43
  Yeah. The key thing, the back of my
• 57:45
  mind is yeah, same as you. I want to make this my living.
• 57:48
  What can I do to make this my living?
• 57:49
  Like, what ways can I, because it's not about the money.
• 57:52
  Like the money is the aspect of like it.
• 57:56
  Facilitates the, the ability to have the life but like, yeah, if
• 58:01
  you're doing, it's only because of the money, then there's no
• 58:03
  soul in it and it will be a negative and yet the content
• 58:08
  probably shit to be honest. If it's a nasty attitude, many
• 58:12
  YouTubers, I think have that problem, unfortunately, but the
• 58:15
  ones that do it purely for the love.
• 58:17
  I mean you Tell? Because the content is
• 58:19
  excellent. It's all over their face, right?
• 58:22
  Yeah, so yeah, I completely agree with that.
• 58:26
  I'm, I'm the son, the same as you in that regard.
• 58:28
  I think that it's you got to do what you love and people that's
• 58:34
  how you how people going to relate to you.
• 58:36
  I think the best. And yeah, I guess my question to
• 58:39
  you on that topic is like if like or two questions, one, You
• 58:48
  know, if you have that opportunity let's say like to
• 58:50
  quit your job and then and do this full-time.
• 58:53
  Are you taking this straight away?
• 58:54
  Is it going to be like let's do it and also what would it take?
• 59:00
  But let's say, let's because you're doing really well right
• 59:02
  now, right? At what point will at?
• 59:06
  How many subscribers do you think it take before you before
• 59:08
  you like? Okay.
• 59:08
  Yeah, no. I need to just do this like to
• 59:11
  roll with this. Take the risk.
• 59:13
  Yeah, I've had this conversation recently.
• 59:15
  See, in my personal life, I've got dependents, you know, right,
• 59:20
  aren't do, anything silly with. So I don't know.
• 59:24
  I'll be competition gets on vacation, so many times in my
• 59:27
  life. No, sir, I'm glad you asked.
• 59:34
  help one to answer because I wish I knew, but We've kind of
• 59:38
  between us, worked out that if I had somewhere between 100,000
• 59:43
  200,000 subscribers. That might be the sort of point
• 59:46
  where you can, you can think why I'm getting enough to kind of,
• 59:51
  you know, live, you know, comfortably, which is all I
• 59:55
  want. I don't even want to meet but I
• 59:57
  want two million subscribers that 12 million pound.
• 59:59
  I just want to live the life. I'm living now, but have the
• 1:00:02
  free time to do work, I have this feeling that you might get
• 1:00:06
  to that point like Julian because because y'all are not
• 1:00:10
  faster or whatever, I think it's just going to happen and it's
• 1:00:13
  going to be like, you're gonna that's going to be the struggle
• 1:00:15
  for you is not so much the getting to the top.
• 1:00:18
  But like dealing with the fact that you're at the top, I think
• 1:00:21
  that might be the bigger challenge for you in the future,
• 1:00:24
  but anybody. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:00:29
  But that would mean to plan covers forever.
• 1:00:30
  Wouldn't it? Or would it?
• 1:00:32
  I don't know. This is the funny thing I have
• 1:00:34
  no idea. I mean if you'd asked me this, I
• 1:00:36
  wouldn't even have been on your book.
• 1:00:37
  Six months ago no because you wouldn't be interested just
• 1:00:40
  because I had no profile, you know.
• 1:00:42
  Right. It's interesting because I have
• 1:00:44
  I always say to my wife, I don't know what's going to happen in
• 1:00:47
  six months time. Like I've already worked with a
• 1:00:50
  producing LOL who since since my channels taken off who's
• 1:00:55
  literally is a band member and a producer in bands that you will
• 1:01:01
  know beep. Beep, beep balance, and he's you
• 1:01:04
  know, he's producing tracks for me and I've had people contact
• 1:01:07
  I've had so many people contacting me about stuff like
• 1:01:11
  musicians. Producers, I would send me this.
• 1:01:14
  Send me this and it's like, it does make me wonder what's going
• 1:01:17
  to happen. In six months time, I would
• 1:01:19
  never have dreamed. I would even have 10,000
• 1:01:21
  followers. It's the lockdown as has as
• 1:01:25
  horrific as has been has changed, you know?
• 1:01:29
  Mine course I think so did this is what makes me think that it's
• 1:01:32
  very possible because the lat when I did my initial research
• 1:01:36
  on you I think you were like, Maybe 6K something, something
• 1:01:43
  like that but it's amazing anyway.
• 1:01:45
  I mean I'm sure I'm sure I'm going to get 500 like you know
• 1:01:50
  but it is like that. It's like you you get you spend
• 1:01:53
  ages a particular thing and then suddenly it just takes off and
• 1:01:56
  yeah, that's huge because you've done that in lockdown in the
• 1:02:00
  space of light a couple of months so that like all it'll
• 1:02:06
  take is just that that one cover You know yeah that one chart
• 1:02:10
  song that you just put out your like yeah fuck it.
• 1:02:12
  Let's just do this and then suddenly everyone's like who is
• 1:02:15
  this guy? This is amazing.
• 1:02:17
  Let's get behind this guy. Maybe maybe I mean I definitely
• 1:02:22
  I don't think I'm the best out there.
• 1:02:23
  You know I'm very blessed people that enjoy what I do.
• 1:02:26
  I don't think I'm bad. I'm not putting myself down II.
• 1:02:29
  Know my, I know my abilities but there are people out there that
• 1:02:32
  are killing it. You know.
• 1:02:34
  One, one thing that I'm very insistent on is, I know there's
• 1:02:39
  so many songs that I could do that.
• 1:02:40
  I just know will pop off, you know, but I can't bring myself
• 1:02:45
  to do things that I'm not going to purely love.
• 1:02:49
  I can't bring my, but I will only cover a song If I really
• 1:02:52
  love it. I have to sit with it each
• 1:02:54
  cover. I do, I really have to listen to
• 1:02:56
  again to my head. I have to arrive already, loved
• 1:02:58
  it, or if I don't know it in someone requests it I have to
• 1:03:01
  come to love it. You know, otherwise I can't do
• 1:03:04
  it. I can't sit there and play
• 1:03:05
  something I don't like it's never going to work.
• 1:03:08
  So I think, yeah, so I don't know if the taste in music that
• 1:03:12
  I have will ever pop off to that level.
• 1:03:17
  Pussy? Who knows nothing about
• 1:03:20
  something else to get back together.
• 1:03:23
  Trend all over the world and then that would be me sort
• 1:03:26
  because I'll cover everything they do this.
• 1:03:31
  That's what everyone wants really you know, both of those
• 1:03:34
  things. But yeah and it's a waste, it's
• 1:03:36
  kind of amazing with the way sis.
• 1:03:38
  It's like they've literally had talks and it's light or talking
• 1:03:41
  like tens of millions and they're still like nah, nope.
• 1:03:45
  Nope. They've got some point, they're
• 1:03:52
  apparently on talking terms, which is good.
• 1:03:54
  I mean, I think if nothing else like like, no one likes to see
• 1:03:57
  people arguing and you know, family is always a tricky, one,
• 1:04:02
  so Easter and talking terms. That's good.
• 1:04:05
  Ya know, what to believe, to be honest with you.
• 1:04:07
  I hear all sorts, but I've heard that they've been offered stuff
• 1:04:11
  and they're planning to come back next year, but they're not
• 1:04:14
  letting anyone know who knows. Be true.
• 1:04:16
  Maybe. I don't know what I will say
• 1:04:18
  this. Like if that's their plan.
• 1:04:21
  Then Then throwing it off all the time and slugging each other
• 1:04:27
  offering public is a great counter marketing strategy
• 1:04:31
  because no one will expect it. Fair play.
• 1:04:36
  Fair play. Anyway, let's, let's move it
• 1:04:38
  forward. I will ask you what are your
• 1:04:40
  best and worst experiences playing live gigs.
• 1:04:44
  Oh, worse experience. Let's go worse than them will do
• 1:04:51
  best afterwards. So that's a nice little, we work
• 1:04:55
  out, who's gonna watch this? So they'll say, oh I remember
• 1:05:02
  doing a lunchtime Pub, just where no one was listening.
• 1:05:09
  Literally no one was listening after every a mind, I wasn't any
• 1:05:13
  person taking that day. And there were other people
• 1:05:15
  going on getting claps afterwards and stuff.
• 1:05:17
  And then I went up and it was just crickets after every song
• 1:05:21
  and I know myself, you know, that I was doing well and I'd be
• 1:05:24
  happy with the performances if I put one line but for whatever
• 1:05:27
  reason. With the crowd and that was
• 1:05:33
  painful and it was suddenly moments during that thing was
• 1:05:36
  thinking, you know why, I'm playing one thinking in my head
• 1:05:39
  is, I'm gonna join us in. I'm just going to go, I'm just
• 1:05:41
  gonna walk off. I'll just walk off knowing even
• 1:05:43
  notice while I'm singing a song, I'm going through this in my
• 1:05:46
  head, like I can let you walk off stage 1901, leave a note I
• 1:05:50
  think I pushed through in the end.
• 1:05:52
  But yeah that the one I'm thinking of was for if it was in
• 1:05:55
  the area with a little bit of the Cutty Sark, It was we
• 1:06:02
  playing covers or original but makes no reaction.
• 1:06:09
  Nothing. That's all.
• 1:06:10
  No reaction from any song, ideas, nothing Dead Silence.
• 1:06:15
  That's weird. I know, in fact, there wasn't
• 1:06:17
  their silence those people's minds and forks 3 is 12.
• 1:06:23
  Seems like, you know, I think there's just a problem with
• 1:06:27
  playing pubs because I remember when I, when I was digging, In
• 1:06:30
  my first band, we only played a pub, one time.
• 1:06:33
  And I was very strict about us gigging and I was like, no, we
• 1:06:37
  don't play pubs Pub. Like, I've seen that fuck that.
• 1:06:40
  Like just know, it's just the wrong atmosphere because it's
• 1:06:44
  fine if you've been hired for the night and it's everyone's
• 1:06:47
  expecting it, but it's a very specific audience apart.
• 1:06:49
  It's like, typically full of regulars and they're like, like
• 1:06:55
  you say, this is one react, even even if you do really good
• 1:06:59
  covers. They do.
• 1:07:01
  You want to hear what they want to hear?
• 1:07:02
  Because their, their their mind I suppose.
• 1:07:04
  It's like you're the Jukebox. Yeah.
• 1:07:08
  Yes. Like I remember the one and only
• 1:07:10
  time I played at Pub it was a classic example of like events
• 1:07:15
  promoters just fucking our be. The only reason I accepted it
• 1:07:18
  was that it was an all-day festival and I use that term
• 1:07:21
  very Loosely where yeah, every like there was bands on from
• 1:07:27
  like midday all the way till 2:00 in the morning.
• 1:07:31
  So like all day thing and I think we were like 7 p.m. or
• 1:07:35
  something and I was like, okay, let's give it a go.
• 1:07:38
  It's in our local Town, fuck it. Let's see what happens.
• 1:07:41
  Now, we're a heavy metal band, right?
• 1:07:44
  Screaming all of that stuff, right?
• 1:07:47
  And the, the got the guy that's on before us.
• 1:07:50
  Is that one of those jazz fusion guys?
• 1:07:53
  So he's playing just him for like, Half an hour would be like
• 1:07:58
  one song. And that is great stuff.
• 1:08:02
  It's good guitar. You know, me and my lead guitars
• 1:08:04
  were like, yeah, this is good but like it totally does not set
• 1:08:07
  the mood for what's going to be like a really heavy set and we
• 1:08:13
  can we come on and I'm like, looking at these people, like,
• 1:08:16
  I'm going to scare the shit out of these people.
• 1:08:20
  This is and literally we played the whole set.
• 1:08:22
  We played half an hour and they were just horrified.
• 1:08:26
  It was like something. Then it was like I'd gone up on
• 1:08:29
  stage and Like throttle the baby or something.
• 1:08:32
  They were all. Yeah, can't be light.
• 1:08:36
  And when I'm ready, I might even fly.
• 1:08:38
  You're not ready for this, the kids will love it.
• 1:08:41
  I don't think there ever be ready for it and we come off
• 1:08:45
  stage and I'm like, well, okay. Just wasn't their thing, right?
• 1:08:50
  And then this I don't even know how to put.
• 1:08:53
  It's a pop band, I guess like they look like hardcore, guys,
• 1:08:57
  and I was like, oh well maybe they're a good band that stick
• 1:08:59
  around for them and then they just played like some pop shit
• 1:09:02
  and I might and they're getting clapped really heavily and I'm a
• 1:09:05
  This Lads, let's just go this pack this.
• 1:09:08
  Yeah. There's you know not to
• 1:09:09
  discourage anyone watching this because I've had some amazing
• 1:09:12
  receptions of pubs as well. Just throw that our case anyone
• 1:09:16
  watches this and was thinking about doing pops.
• 1:09:17
  Definitely do it character building.
• 1:09:19
  It's good practice. But well, yeah, I will add to
• 1:09:23
  this actually that the one benefit of playing pubs is that
• 1:09:26
  often you get like Open Mic nights where there's no
• 1:09:29
  expectation from like a promoter to sell a bunch of tickets or
• 1:09:32
  something, like you can just go out there.
• 1:09:34
  Play Leave like, you know, you having a clap.
• 1:09:37
  So it's yeah, yeah. But some selection is very
• 1:09:41
  important in pubs. It really is, you've got played
• 1:09:43
  to the crowd was there. So I completely understand, we
• 1:09:47
  come from other days where I've gone in and, you know, I
• 1:09:50
  remember, once I played junk why Paul McCartney, I don't know if
• 1:09:53
  you know it, but it's a, it's a really, it's one of the most
• 1:09:56
  beautiful songs ever written. Just played at the wrong time.
• 1:09:59
  They're like, people didn't want to hear that.
• 1:10:01
  It was like the vibe was up every night.
• 1:10:03
  Come on like this party. And then I'm like, Error of
• 1:10:10
  judgment and it was just like I could see on people's faces.
• 1:10:13
  It was like a just come on punch them in the face and killed
• 1:10:16
  their night. So there's a lesson to be
• 1:10:19
  learned there. Yeah.
• 1:10:20
  Sometimes you can't always tell me the crowds like you kind of
• 1:10:23
  look at them and know what they want to hear, right?
• 1:10:25
  But you can sometimes pick up and what other people are doing
• 1:10:27
  or or reception. If you're doing covers a
• 1:10:29
  reception to a certain song, you can try and make a set this up
• 1:10:32
  on the Fly because He said, it's a gameplay in pubs really is, is
• 1:10:37
  like a chess game. There's a lot to consider.
• 1:10:41
  Okay. Well let's let's let's throw it
• 1:10:44
  to a more positive thing because we took you to your lowest
• 1:10:46
  point. Let's go to your house.
• 1:10:47
  But what was your best gig best gig?
• 1:10:54
  It's been some good ones trying to think.
• 1:11:00
  Be the best. It's just been so many moments,
• 1:11:05
  you know. I don't know this, I've been
• 1:11:07
  lucky to get quite a good reception at you.
• 1:11:09
  My besties I would say was in Essex I went to I'm from Essex
• 1:11:13
  by the way just so you know, but I went to a gigai done a gig in
• 1:11:18
  Essex. Where was it?
• 1:11:19
  Colchester, maybe or something. Raintree, I did the geek and it
• 1:11:24
  was like an out the outdoors of a pub.
• 1:11:27
  And I went up there and I just, for some reason it was like you
• 1:11:31
  said, load of regulars. Lota lot last night, they wonder
• 1:11:35
  what we are like, you know, like it was like, you know, there are
• 1:11:41
  going to love me or they're gonna hate me because if these
• 1:11:43
  people don't like you they're going to be very vocal bad,
• 1:11:45
  they're not going to be yes suffer fools gladly you know and
• 1:11:50
  it just went off every song. Just hit the mark and it was
• 1:11:53
  good. I got offered about two or three
• 1:11:55
  other gigs on that day from Hawaii.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, it's like just people and then funny that I went to play a
• 1:12:01
  gig I did some ones. Is this?
• 1:12:04
  Someone's back Garden. I don't even remember what I was
• 1:12:06
  saying and I was a musician. Like, wild, there's a barbecue
• 1:12:10
  going on stuff and I got that from that gig.
• 1:12:12
  So that was, yeah, that was like, that was definitely one
• 1:12:15
  that I look at that as Just just, just on a side note,
• 1:12:20
  actually, we've regards to that. I mean, we, we spoke about,
• 1:12:23
  like, let's say you're popping off and the, you know, the
• 1:12:26
  YouTube career goes really well and, you know, less, I mean, you
• 1:12:30
  kind of said, like, I don't know if I want to be a covers guy but
• 1:12:32
  let you know. One big thing about being a
• 1:12:34
  covers guy is you can make a full career out of that you
• 1:12:37
  know, digging, you know even like not just not just on like
• 1:12:40
  YouTube and stuff. But like yeah, like playing
• 1:12:42
  weddings parties, whatever like is that something that you'd be
• 1:12:46
  interested? Stood in and doing.
• 1:12:49
  No, I think a couple of weddings here and there.
• 1:12:51
  Yes, it's nice in there, I don't know.
• 1:12:54
  Because even still with much as I say, you know, I don't care
• 1:12:56
  about my music going big and all that stuff.
• 1:12:59
  There's still a part of me that kind of wants to be able to, you
• 1:13:02
  know, get by on my own Merit as such.
• 1:13:04
  So I mean like you say that you've gotta go with what's
• 1:13:07
  Poppin Off at the period of my life that I'm in and
• 1:13:10
  responsibilities that are have if some people can start
• 1:13:13
  offering me money to regularly, they covers all the time and I
• 1:13:17
  Shut it down, that's just irresponsible.
• 1:13:19
  And so I'm going to do it, is it my ultimate goal?
• 1:13:23
  No, not really. Although my goals are changing
• 1:13:26
  all the time, you know, ask me getting sconce, I don't know
• 1:13:28
  because literally a month ago, nobody knew who I was and no
• 1:13:33
  nose right now. But, you know, I mean like he's
• 1:13:36
  so much has happened in the last month.
• 1:13:38
  I don't even know what's going to by November.
• 1:13:40
  I don't even know where I'm going to be a wanting to be
• 1:13:42
  doing so I'm very excited. I'll be honest like just looking
• 1:13:45
  at your numbers already. I mean, it's Well, let's see
• 1:13:47
  what happens. It could all come crashing down
• 1:13:49
  tomorrow, keep them coming man. Just keep keep cookies come and
• 1:13:52
  keep putting them out there and you know it will happen.
• 1:13:56
  I firmly believe that is speaking of which what advice
• 1:14:02
  would you give to musicians and YouTubers that just starting out
• 1:14:04
  right now. You can maybe follow in your
• 1:14:07
  footsteps patients, just be patient.
• 1:14:12
  It ain't going to happen overnight, you're going to be
• 1:14:15
  there for years. Say it's going to take.
• 1:14:18
  I mean, some people you should post one thing and Pops off
• 1:14:21
  straight away. Good on you.
• 1:14:22
  But the reality is, it's going to take a long time.
• 1:14:25
  People aren't going to get what you're doing at first, and you
• 1:14:28
  just got a stick with it. And the good thing about
• 1:14:32
  YouTube, what's actually brilliant using the white ways
• 1:14:35
  you can learn from every single video you do?
• 1:14:37
  You actually watch it back? Listen, you can hear where you
• 1:14:40
  can improve and improve it for the next video.
• 1:14:42
  And if someone tells you something in a comment like you
• 1:14:45
  should try this down just Guard what they're saying because I've
• 1:14:48
  learned a lot from people following me, I've grown because
• 1:14:50
  of people with helped me to grow as well.
• 1:14:53
  You know, some people been like, when I first started, I wasn't
• 1:14:56
  ready pronouncing my words that well.
• 1:14:58
  And that is something I always get compliments on now.
• 1:15:00
  Like, uses everything you say. So Crystal, Clear.
• 1:15:02
  And I can understand every word, even people from other
• 1:15:05
  countries, they're really always say that I've put my fancy
• 1:15:09
  ations brilliant, but it become it because somebody said to me
• 1:15:12
  on YouTube, one time, you know, you slurring your words a bit
• 1:15:15
  in, you're not Okay, let me look into that and then I Googled it
• 1:15:19
  and I watched a little YouTube lesson on it and I'm proved on
• 1:15:22
  it, you know? So I would just say, just be
• 1:15:25
  open to comments, it be open to criticism, you know, if it's
• 1:15:28
  constructive and just be prepared to put in a crime
• 1:15:32
  because you might see me, Evan 12,000 subscribers and think are
• 1:15:37
  why I'm going to upload a cover and I'll get 12 hours and right.
• 1:15:40
  It's going to it's going to take a couple of years to build up
• 1:15:45
  and if you don't love doing it it's gonna it's gonna feel that
• 1:15:51
  hard work you know. So don't do YouTube just because
• 1:15:55
  you want to earn some money because you ain't it's not a big
• 1:15:57
  money thing, you know, just do it because you're passionate
• 1:16:00
  about what you do. You mentioned just there that
• 1:16:04
  you know you getting attention from other countries, it is
• 1:16:06
  there like a particular countries that you're getting
• 1:16:08
  like a lot of fans from my what where are the main countries
• 1:16:12
  that you're getting the most attention from right now.
• 1:16:15
  According to our stats. It's mainly like I think is that
• 1:16:20
  it's quite a lot of is the US and UK there are two biggest
• 1:16:23
  ones but there's a lot of people from South America from one
• 1:16:29
  Mexico, Brazil. I Quad massive proportion of my
• 1:16:35
  comments come from Mexico and Brazil.
• 1:16:39
  Yeah, someone told me like everyone knows who you are over
• 1:16:42
  it, they're not all my friends. People must all know who you
• 1:16:44
  are. Let everyone listens to you.
• 1:16:46
  And I was like, whoa, as we don't know how many people, you
• 1:16:50
  know, maybe it was just my ego, I don't know, but I definitely
• 1:16:53
  get a lot of comments from South America.
• 1:16:56
  They put me, they probably see my little fans and think I'm,
• 1:16:58
  you know, they think I'm Brazilian and Allah will check
• 1:17:01
  him out. And then they are me like okay
• 1:17:03
  he's all right though. Given that you're doing all of
• 1:17:06
  this stuff on on YouTube and you were doing on Facebook?
• 1:17:13
  I can't remember if I if I found your links elsewhere, B, OU on
• 1:17:17
  places like Instagram and stuff you.
• 1:17:20
  Yeah, I'm on Instagram, but these are you posting videos
• 1:17:24
  there, too? Yeah, it's just the same stuff I
• 1:17:27
  post on. Okay.
• 1:17:29
  Okay. Although actually on sweetheart.
• 1:17:32
  Also, recently, I posted a few videos on every time I post a
• 1:17:36
  video recently is getting about 30,000 to 40,000 all use.
• 1:17:41
  Yeah, that's from the fratellis retweeted my video today and
• 1:17:46
  there's like, I've got I've got people that I consider celebrity
• 1:17:49
  start following me and stuff is crazy.
• 1:17:51
  So that's starting to kick off now actually so definitely if
• 1:17:55
  you're watching, you want to follow me on Twitter, would
• 1:17:56
  suggest it but it's the same content as you to that.
• 1:18:02
  That's crazy as well for Twitter like 30k on a video.
• 1:18:07
  Congrats on the other day. 35, and then I've got one going off
• 1:18:11
  at the moment. I posted this morning's on that
• 1:18:13
  puppy about 25 at the minute. So yeah, get a little Following
• 1:18:17
  over there that you'll get more views and their, then I got on
• 1:18:19
  YouTube, you know, just the nature of the pro of platform,
• 1:18:23
  but well, there you go. If you are an aspiring musician
• 1:18:28
  and you're on social media, make sure you're posting everywhere,
• 1:18:31
  I think. Biggest lesson learned, yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Facebook is very good as well, or not Facebook for personal
• 1:18:38
  relationships, but, for music, it's brilliant.
• 1:18:41
  There's a lot of groups are there.
• 1:18:42
  You can join like-minded, people who are struggling as well, and
• 1:18:46
  I said, you can learn them. You said that you're not on
• 1:18:48
  Facebook but you don't have like a page there.
• 1:18:50
  Then anymore had a page before the lockdown.
• 1:18:53
  I had about 2,000. People follow me on Facebook,
• 1:18:56
  what specific the funny interesting that you've kind of
• 1:18:58
  completely moved out. Like I know your reasons and we
• 1:19:01
  won't go into that again, but But like, because I've started
• 1:19:04
  posting on my Facebook page, which I wasn't doing before, I
• 1:19:07
  was just promoting from YouTube, but then I realized that you can
• 1:19:11
  actually potentially earn money from Facebook.
• 1:19:14
  And I'm not that naive to think that like, oh yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:19:17
  earn money from this but I treat it the same way that I do re
• 1:19:20
  YouTube and I do a little tricks and things that.
• 1:19:23
  So for example the podcast you know, there's always a delay so
• 1:19:27
  like you two boys gets a first and then Facebook is always
• 1:19:31
  delayed. You never get the latest
• 1:19:34
  episode, you always get like the one before and I know things
• 1:19:37
  like that to encourage cross-checking over and such.
• 1:19:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let there yeah, there were
• 1:19:44
  different thresholds and stuff on Instagram, Facebook and such
• 1:19:47
  but there are like different useful tools, you know?
• 1:19:50
  Like, like I discovered this reason, I don't, if, you know
• 1:19:53
  this but like, if you have a Facebook page, you can cross
• 1:19:56
  Prost in the scheduling so you can schedule something to be
• 1:20:00
  released and then, Do the same for Instagram and it will then
• 1:20:03
  release it on Instagram. Provided that it has like a
• 1:20:06
  picture as like the main part of that.
• 1:20:11
  Yes. As part of the postal or
• 1:20:13
  whatever. And so I saves me so much time,
• 1:20:19
  let's get you everything. But yeah, no, I mean it's I
• 1:20:23
  don't know. I think it's always good to kind
• 1:20:25
  of be in everywhere as much as but I also think there's like a
• 1:20:28
  different audience as well. Like, I know people, The follow
• 1:20:32
  me on Facebook that don't watch YouTube videos.
• 1:20:35
  So part of the reason. Yeah, yeah yeah.
• 1:20:39
  Yeah, that's the. I mean I really never posted all
• 1:20:43
  my stuff on Twitter and I didn't expect that.
• 1:20:47
  There would be people on Twitter that I know it.
• 1:20:49
  Sounds silly, of course, you know, there's more than 12,000
• 1:20:52
  pounds of the type of music like throughout, but I kind of
• 1:20:55
  fought. Like, when I push myself, I was
• 1:20:56
  him again. And then all of a sudden these
• 1:20:59
  people like finding me on Twitter when I'm posting too.
• 1:21:02
  They're going. Whoa.
• 1:21:03
  And I'm like, have you not seen this on YouTube as well?
• 1:21:05
  That 300,000 views on true boy, with a seen it.
• 1:21:08
  These people don't like saying that the maybe they don't use
• 1:21:10
  YouTube, maybe they use a completely different platform,
• 1:21:13
  you know, so maybe we should promote your YouTube videos on
• 1:21:20
  your Twitter, right? What I'll do is I'll cut a
• 1:21:24
  minute out of the video and then just put it on and they did my
• 1:21:28
  bio. I thought, oh, I'm a YouTuber by
• 1:21:30
  the way. Here you go.
• 1:21:30
  Is my YouTube channel. You know, it's like, who doesn't
• 1:21:34
  anyone? Look sit out.
• 1:21:34
  They even know if anyone knows when YouTube but yeah but what
• 1:21:37
  could be? They look at what a post on
• 1:21:39
  Twitter and they are popping off.
• 1:21:41
  So there's definitely value and posting things everywhere
• 1:21:45
  because he said, yeah. And maybe actually your idea of
• 1:21:50
  posting smaller Clips works better on Twitter, like I have
• 1:21:52
  heard theories. That light is better to do it
• 1:21:54
  that way in and such. So, yeah, I know what.
• 1:21:58
  Hey, it sounds like it's working for you.
• 1:21:59
  So yeah, keep doing what you're doing.
• 1:22:03
  Let's switch up again. Tell us something about yourself
• 1:22:06
  that you know, your fans don't know.
• 1:22:10
  Definitely. That I was a massive metal.
• 1:22:12
  It definitely no one. No one's actually.
• 1:22:15
  I told someone on the sly before and they were like no I've
• 1:22:20
  really said that to me Barbra Streisand No no.
• 1:22:32
  Whatever comes I know I was amongst pieces downloads you
• 1:22:35
  know like going crazy. Hey Dwight an unkind mirror and
• 1:22:39
  stuff like that long. I think I think a lot of people
• 1:22:42
  would definitely wouldn't know that.
• 1:22:44
  Yeah Evie's it really is interesting actually because
• 1:22:47
  like even when I was like fully in that, I think when I was a
• 1:22:51
  teenager, I was like really, really into metal and rock.
• 1:22:54
  And I couldn't ever imagine listening to other types of
• 1:22:56
  music but I did and I think we all did just just not massively
• 1:23:01
  because back, Back then. You know it was a largely, an
• 1:23:04
  identity thing and it was like yo you can't listen to anything
• 1:23:08
  else. You have to listen to this and
• 1:23:10
  I'm so glad you say that because that was my experience in this
• 1:23:15
  group or this group. There was no if you were in the
• 1:23:19
  metal group and you even dare to say that hum along to a rap tune
• 1:23:23
  or something like that, you'd be ostracized instantly.
• 1:23:26
  It was like no, no your Ivory over here or over there, these
• 1:23:29
  days, everyone's everywhere, but back then.
• 1:23:32
  It was very different, he's weird.
• 1:23:33
  Like no one gives a shit like that.
• 1:23:35
  I discovered that, like, when I became an adult, probably in my
• 1:23:38
  early 20s that I started to discover that a listen to
• 1:23:41
  whatever the hell you want, no one cares.
• 1:23:43
  Be like, yeah, used to you might get different looks if people
• 1:23:49
  see you wearing a metal. Sure?
• 1:23:50
  Or like, you look a bit different but ultimately, people
• 1:23:53
  don't care and like you said, like it teenagers.
• 1:23:57
  Now, like I look at my little brother's and like, you know,
• 1:24:00
  there, Just into everything, there doesn't seem to be any
• 1:24:04
  Trends. I mean, I suppose there are a
• 1:24:06
  few online Trends and such but not like how it was when we were
• 1:24:09
  growing up. There was no there doesn't seem
• 1:24:11
  to be that segregation there was no no definitely.
• 1:24:15
  It is weird man. Weird okay we're old bastard's
• 1:24:26
  now so we are like yeah. Okay.
• 1:24:32
  Let's move it forward. Now, I don't always really talk
• 1:24:36
  about people's personal lives on these podcasts, but I thought
• 1:24:39
  that this is interesting. I've, I've had previous music
• 1:24:41
  guests on who have had, like developments in their personal
• 1:24:45
  lives, which I think is always interesting in terms of how it
• 1:24:49
  affects like your songwriting and you're on your view and
• 1:24:52
  things right now. Last year, you got married.
• 1:24:55
  So congratulations. Thanks, that's awesome.
• 1:24:59
  So my ring around here somewhere Do you live?
• 1:25:03
  See that how has married life changed you in terms of like
• 1:25:11
  your music? Like has it had a big impact on
• 1:25:13
  your music? Has it changed?
• 1:25:15
  The way you write music or like maybe the covers you pick or has
• 1:25:19
  it had any impact on your music at all?
• 1:25:23
  Question, no noticeable, one to be honest, but the thing is with
• 1:25:27
  me, I've been with my wife now. For, we got married last year,
• 1:25:31
  but we've been together for 11, 12 years, oh, congrats.
• 1:25:35
  And that we fell instantly in love, you know?
• 1:25:39
  And it hasn't waned really. So I've kind of been in the same
• 1:25:42
  head space for that time. I definitely think being in a
• 1:25:45
  relationship as change the way, this is change the sort of music
• 1:25:49
  that I like definitely has changed the The he's definitely
• 1:25:53
  been an influence on my son Ryan, but but ever since I've
• 1:25:56
  been writing songs, I've been in the relationship so I can't
• 1:25:58
  really say it's changed. Did you owe me introduce you to
• 1:26:01
  like a lot of music then or or was there something like that?
• 1:26:06
  No, I wouldn't say. So she's not into music as me
• 1:26:10
  this, I want to say, my musical tastes.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah, she didn't get me into anything necessarily.
• 1:26:16
  Maybe I just softened up a little bit and lights, you know,
• 1:26:19
  I've always liked, like I say I grew up on that Michael.
• 1:26:21
  When I was reading at Motown stuff and then and then I
• 1:26:24
  listened to Heaven stuff. So I've always had that bit of
• 1:26:27
  both anyway but yeah, I'm probably enjoy the tender side,
• 1:26:31
  a little bit more now, maybe that's bound to have something
• 1:26:34
  to do. I'm exactly the same.
• 1:26:36
  Like, sometimes I look at myself and I'm like, you're weird, you
• 1:26:39
  know, like I got this. I'll make this playlist
• 1:26:41
  recently, which is it's like 50, 60, 70 s.
• 1:26:48
  Music and it's like my ideas are just because like I feel like,
• 1:26:53
  yeah, Motown. All that music is just like the
• 1:26:55
  best music ever made. I don't know.
• 1:26:56
  I just there's so many good songs.
• 1:26:59
  Yeah. Like they've been in used in so
• 1:27:01
  many movies and it's easy to see why.
• 1:27:05
  But like I often find myself lives listening to that over say
• 1:27:08
  listening to like rock or metal, and I have to be in the mood for
• 1:27:11
  that now I feel like it's Oh you mean yeah, I was an Angry Young.
• 1:27:17
  Then you know you put on Imperium by Machine Ed you just
• 1:27:21
  yeah it's just it's nice to see you but then now you know when
• 1:27:25
  you doing dishes you don't really think about oh God you
• 1:27:29
  did I don't really have any Anarchy towards middle-aged life
• 1:27:32
  a search so he's probably I think I think of that's probably
• 1:27:37
  why I like a bit of you know, Morrissey depressed and stuff.
• 1:27:40
  But But I find that a lot of the time.
• 1:27:44
  It comes down to like, your activity, you know, like if I'm
• 1:27:47
  playing basketball, it's hip-hop.
• 1:27:49
  You know, if I'm playing if I'm at home working on things either
• 1:27:55
  something that's maybe a bit of Pop.
• 1:27:58
  If it's something that I need to get shit done, it's like I need
• 1:28:00
  something with a bit of a beat. Maybe some dance music or
• 1:28:02
  something, but if it's like relaxing, it's got to be really
• 1:28:06
  chilled. You are, you can't.
• 1:28:07
  I just feel like you can't relax to like really really heavy
• 1:28:11
  stuff or like really fast. If you know exactly.
• 1:28:15
  But I don't know how I did that when I was a teen, I just.
• 1:28:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got sleep to met wild.
• 1:28:21
  Yeah, he's crazy to think and now that I'm in bed, you know,
• 1:28:25
  God knows what I'm listening to. But instead, he ain't that, I
• 1:28:29
  remember when I was like 14, I set this, there's this song by
• 1:28:36
  Slayer called disciple and it softly, amazing albums.
• 1:28:42
  God hates A source of excellent man that metal album.
• 1:28:45
  I was addicted to Slayer and I thought it was a good idea to
• 1:28:50
  set that song. As my as my alarm clock song,
• 1:28:54
  wake me up in the morning and so wake me up in the morning really
• 1:28:57
  violently. I'll be like, oh and like
• 1:29:00
  initially, I thought, wow, that's really cool.
• 1:29:02
  That's really metal. But then I started to actually
• 1:29:05
  hate that song because it was the song, the work and I change
• 1:29:10
  it was time to do the boring stuff now. if it even to this
• 1:29:14
  day whenever I hear that song like it's a good song but I
• 1:29:17
  can't really listen to it because I'm like it's like I'm
• 1:29:23
  myself hate it I accidentally anyway right we we covered this
• 1:29:30
  next question, a little bit but I'll rephrase it a little bit so
• 1:29:38
  let's say that you get offered a contract by like a major music
• 1:29:46
  provider or you know whatever or like wood.
• 1:29:53
  Okay. Let's say you got offered that
• 1:29:54
  or you've got the like the decision to.
• 1:29:57
  Okay. Let this is how I'm going to
• 1:29:58
  phrase it. Let's say you have that or you
• 1:30:01
  got to, you got to choose between that or you're popping
• 1:30:04
  off YouTube career, which means operating, Yourself releasing
• 1:30:09
  independent, music yourself doing it independently, which
• 1:30:12
  road are you more? Likely to go down, which is more
• 1:30:17
  preferable for you, 100% going with the contract, 100%, because
• 1:30:23
  you might because in my head space at the moment, I want to
• 1:30:26
  provide for future children and I want to provide a good life
• 1:30:30
  for my wife and if that means, you know what, I don't know
• 1:30:35
  which one makes me. I don't know.
• 1:30:36
  I'm not, I'm not just fine. Financially motivated, but I
• 1:30:40
  wouldn't the point in my life. I'm sure I am.
• 1:30:43
  If things were going to pop it. How even if they're going to pop
• 1:30:47
  off? That's, that's what I need to
• 1:30:48
  know before I can answer that question.
• 1:30:50
  I mean, I guess it would have to, yeah, it have to be like
• 1:30:52
  completely equal then, wouldn't it be easy?
• 1:30:55
  So, like it is completely equal. Then I'll stick to YouTube.
• 1:30:58
  Definitely. Yeah.
• 1:31:00
  Because, like, example, my independent, my freedom, I can
• 1:31:02
  release my musical stuff, but if I'm getting offered more money
• 1:31:06
  to do something, you know, Love that.
• 1:31:09
  Then it's time for me to be sensible in my old age and let's
• 1:31:13
  face it a different way. Let's say that you get offered
• 1:31:16
  like, I don't know, five hundred thousand million dollar
• 1:31:21
  recording contract, right? Or you can go down the route of
• 1:31:26
  a solid comfortable income from YouTube like, like that.
• 1:31:30
  That dream you said, before of like, getting being able to have
• 1:31:33
  like a couple of grand per month solidly and core audience, That
• 1:31:37
  listens to you. So it's like you might not just
• 1:31:40
  basically money versus this kind of comfortability and having
• 1:31:46
  control over it, which do you prefer?
• 1:31:51
  I mean, deep down mind, Sarah is definitely is the thing.
• 1:31:56
  I mean I've never had money so I have no reason to chase money is
• 1:32:02
  life to this point. I mean.
• 1:32:08
  It's tricky because in the mindset I am in, at the moment
• 1:32:12
  I've got personal responsibilities flying at me
• 1:32:14
  left, right, and center, and all I can think about at this
• 1:32:17
  moment. I'm speaking to is money, you
• 1:32:19
  know, to degree live like being financially stable.
• 1:32:23
  I am financially stable just to say but you know, Money is I'm
• 1:32:29
  not going to like this point where like money is quite a big
• 1:32:32
  factor for me, so I don't know infamy.
• 1:32:37
  I think I can answer me answering that question.
• 1:32:40
  I like, because I would have the same difficulty as you.
• 1:32:43
  It's a real tough one, but I feel like the length of the
• 1:32:48
  recording contract is key as well.
• 1:32:50
  And the the, what the control the percentage is all of these
• 1:32:55
  things. Because like, if it's like a
• 1:32:57
  contract for sale, Year yeah here is a year.
• 1:33:01
  You know, and I mean it's over. It's done, that's it.
• 1:33:03
  Yeah. If it's like yeah but five,
• 1:33:05
  let's see. But then yeah, take goes again.
• 1:33:10
  So if you've got a recording contract or you can go back to
• 1:33:13
  YouTube after them, right? And this is what I'm thinking,
• 1:33:16
  it's like, you know, you get the exposure, you get all that and
• 1:33:19
  then you can just, you know, go back to YouTube, you do your
• 1:33:22
  thing. If it's like five years, they
• 1:33:25
  control everything and this is the tricky thing as well.
• 1:33:28
  And I think if you're going to go into the music industry, read
• 1:33:31
  the contract. Always read the contract.
• 1:33:33
  Because what if they own your YouTube?
• 1:33:37
  That's true. That's true.
• 1:33:38
  Yes. The tricky thing, you might not
• 1:33:40
  get it back. It's really difficult, you know?
• 1:33:43
  Because it would all depend on who's giving you look like.
• 1:33:46
  You say, like, lightning you rightly say is all about
• 1:33:48
  control, that's what it's about. Because Emma does that mean that
• 1:33:52
  I'm going to be asking to make the music?
• 1:33:53
  I like, if it is, then I'm doing it all day.
• 1:33:56
  But you know, is they're going to tell me, right?
• 1:33:58
  Well, you need to wear, you know, the red spandex thing, the
• 1:34:01
  Brittany starts, going Hungarian jazz, Depend on a big thing
• 1:34:17
  about you as well as is the vibe you give off.
• 1:34:19
  I think that's what people are. Certainly what I like as well.
• 1:34:22
  It's not just a music. It's like you give off quite a
• 1:34:24
  humble. Nice guy, kind of vibe.
• 1:34:27
  I think people dig that but like when you go down that kind of, I
• 1:34:31
  don't know what you would call it corporate route, let's let's
• 1:34:34
  call it that You know they're manufacturing you there, they're
• 1:34:39
  producing you in what they want. And yeah like you say you got to
• 1:34:44
  kind of like toe the line and do what they tell you.
• 1:34:47
  But it's like it's not you necessarily and I feel like
• 1:34:50
  that's weird angel with with that route.
• 1:34:53
  See. But but the the sort of person I
• 1:34:55
  am I've always been curious about learning ever since I was
• 1:35:00
  little literally lat always wanting to avoid been the kid
• 1:35:03
  who's or the weather throughout that I had.
• 1:35:06
  That work or what some always. I've never had the strongest
• 1:35:11
  static, you know, standards and in the world I've always kind of
• 1:35:16
  I kind of feel like I could learn.
• 1:35:17
  Yeah. If they wanted to produce me in
• 1:35:19
  a certain way for me, I'd probably be thinking well
• 1:35:22
  actually maybe I should be doing that, you know, like like who
• 1:35:24
  says that, I know what's right? I have what I like but then it
• 1:35:29
  depends how much they want to change.
• 1:35:31
  You know, you read a. If someone was, if they would
• 1:35:34
  sit down with me and said, write your songs are okay but we can't
• 1:35:38
  use them and you have to work the songwriter and all of a
• 1:35:41
  sudden we're going to listen to my songs and was like Yeah, this
• 1:35:44
  part is good but the rest of his shit.
• 1:35:45
  So we're going to cut all that out and blah blah blah, part of
• 1:35:48
  me would be like Okay. You know, I'm learning something
• 1:35:52
  here. So I would totally be a hundred
• 1:35:54
  percent against him. I know this is my baby and I'm
• 1:35:57
  right and I know, you know what, you get what I'm trying to say.
• 1:36:00
  So Yeah, I don't know. It depends how much.
• 1:36:06
  You'd have to change that will crush me personally, like I'm
• 1:36:11
  with you. If there was like some sort of
• 1:36:12
  partnership there in terms of working on the songs and like,
• 1:36:16
  always an ownership in influencing that and like it is
• 1:36:19
  just you writing with people. That's one thing like them
• 1:36:23
  saying or your music shit, you know?
• 1:36:25
  Everything's gonna be written for you and you're singing other
• 1:36:27
  people's songs like I couldn't do that.
• 1:36:30
  I genuinely couldn't do it. I think it would kill me.
• 1:36:35
  It was killed. As well I think but I don't know
• 1:36:38
  if someone was writing brilliant songs.
• 1:36:41
  I've had this discussion with my friend before he was the same.
• 1:36:43
  He was like, I would never ever sing a song that was written by
• 1:36:46
  Me by ever made it I wouldn't sing any for me.
• 1:36:49
  I'm not as hot I can contribute to so I can write a song so I
• 1:36:57
  don't need a whole song room for me.
• 1:36:59
  I can definitely contribute if I'd have to do a joint
• 1:37:01
  partnership and I wrote 50 percent someone else wrote 50
• 1:37:04
  percent to me. I've been mind that as such I'm
• 1:37:08
  okay you having collaboration in that way, you know for me
• 1:37:11
  personally, I'm not totally like right everything's going my way.
• 1:37:15
  And this is how this one's going to go.
• 1:37:18
  Yeah, I dunno like You know, even if you think of like the
• 1:37:22
  Beatles are how much influence did George Martin have on the
• 1:37:25
  music? You know there's always
• 1:37:27
  something to learn you know as such it just depends where this
• 1:37:31
  line is. This imaginary line that we're
• 1:37:33
  discussing, it depends how far left a y is for me.
• 1:37:37
  I'm not totally 100% you know stuck in my ways and everything
• 1:37:41
  has to be my way or nothing. I'm an artist and I am already
• 1:37:45
  perfect and you're going to work around me.
• 1:37:48
  You know? I'm not saying you are a young.
• 1:37:50
  Not that I know people that are like that, you know.
• 1:37:53
  So yeah, he game for me personally, I feel it's it's
• 1:37:57
  always dependent on the circumstances and the nature of
• 1:38:00
  the the arrangement partnership as it were because as you say,
• 1:38:05
  yes, sometimes having songs written for you isn't so bad.
• 1:38:08
  I mean, you know, major musicians, do it.
• 1:38:11
  I know people like Justin Bieber, do it.
• 1:38:13
  You know, they sing other people's songs.
• 1:38:15
  Cajon, is there some people that do it completely?
• 1:38:17
  I mean, I think Elvis did that. He only ever saw Elvis teeger.
• 1:38:22
  Yeah, I mean the beat the beat was started out doing a lot
• 1:38:24
  covers. The second album was, was Art
• 1:38:28
  and how many covers on it but there's a couple of Beatles
• 1:38:30
  albums, almost 50% or more covers, you know.
• 1:38:33
  And then they grew into the song, right?
• 1:38:34
  And they were writing good songs.
• 1:38:36
  They write in the best songs ever written.
• 1:38:38
  So I should clarify. But you know that slowly they
• 1:38:42
  started to gain more control as they went through.
• 1:38:44
  Yes. So there's an element of that as
• 1:38:46
  well. Choose my time for the beat was
• 1:38:47
  required hated the music when he couldn't find them.
• 1:38:50
  I tried to record other stuff so you know, you can always grow
• 1:38:55
  under that situation. Well, this is a conversation
• 1:38:57
  could go on forever. You that enjoy thinking stop
• 1:39:04
  bringing it to a close as a final question.
• 1:39:08
  Do you have any upcoming sort of projects?
• 1:39:11
  Anything immediately that maybe you'd like to share with us
• 1:39:15
  right now? Or perhaps maybe just some final
• 1:39:17
  thoughts for your fans or anything?
• 1:39:21
  Yeah, I'm thinking about doing a covers out.
• 1:39:23
  A lot of people asking me for covers album.
• 1:39:25
  Okay. And therefore, no Gallagher, as
• 1:39:27
  well as he's trying to easily idea.
• 1:39:28
  So what game before him nachos? Yes, that'll probably be the
• 1:39:35
  next thing I do in terms of saying science of the fans just
• 1:39:39
  Frank you lat, I don't know. I can't believe this 12,000
• 1:39:43
  people that are even remotely interested in what I'm doing.
• 1:39:46
  I do believe in myself. I do believe in my beliefs, I
• 1:39:49
  know. How good I am but I just never
• 1:39:53
  expected, you know, this sort of attention.
• 1:39:57
  So yeah. The best is definitely Yet to
• 1:39:59
  Come Denver's. Did you know to come?
• 1:40:02
  No yeah I'm nowhere near my potential.
• 1:40:05
  I wanted to tell you. I'm not nobody more potential, I
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  don't think. Yeah, I completely agree with
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  you. I think definitely like, you
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  just keep doing what you're doing and it's it's gonna, it's
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  gonna be an exciting couple of months moving forward.
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  So I think definitely down some more that's remember that as
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  well. I like to provide.
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  I like how humble you are but I think realistically it's given
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  now how? Well it's going.
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  Now it's going to be so long as you keep it consistent.
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  As long as you don't stop as long as you kind of your
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  reactive to your audience and you keep putting that stuff out
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  there and doing what you love. I think it's it's already
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  connecting with people on a level right now so there's no
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  reason that it can't sort of continue in that manner.
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  Now, it's interesting because my recording techniques aren't even
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  that great. Still the videos pop off, so it
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  makes me wonder, you know, forget about camera.
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  I forget about microphone, I think these things help, mmm,
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  these things do help, but I think like, ultimately, it's
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  about what you produce because I have the same worries that, you
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  know, for instance, right now that your camera looks
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  excellent. Mine looks like the fucking
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  potato for it because it's a shitty webcam, but at the end of
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  the day, it is about the content that's being produced.
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  And you know what? Resonates with people and like
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  things like shit, you cameras and equipment that will improve
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  of a time and your audience knows that, you know, they know
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  that as you grow, you know, everything's going to get
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  better. And like you, your guitars are
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  get better your mics together with that or whatever, right?
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  But like the talent right there is there, you know the meaning
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  that the talent is undeniable so aren't around?
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  Yeah. - there's a lot of room for improvement as well.
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  And yeah and it's a good, it's a good.
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  Attitude to have it's a good attitude to have.
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  I think I'll never stop. Never stop trying to improve and
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  I do think for anyone who might be interested in watching my
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  growth of I know I am going to grow more and and there's one
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  for growth and just stick with me and I will see where it goes.
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  But yeah. But listen thank you very much
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  for agreeing to appear on the show.
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  It's fantastic to finally have you been in that Chute.
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  Pleasure for me too. So thank you and Yeah, to all my
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  listeners. I hope you enjoyed this
• 1:42:23
  interview. Thank you so much for listening
• 1:42:25
  to the Christian we've podcast. Make sure you go and subscribe
• 1:42:28
  to Adam Barrett on YouTube. Make sure you go check them out.
• 1:42:31
  On Spotify has as we've discussed in this interview.
• 1:42:34
  A lot of excellent music there and more music to come.
• 1:42:37
  So that would be very exciting in the coming months.
• 1:42:40
  And yeah, for everyone listening on Spotify, Apple podcasts, I
• 1:42:45
  believe we're now on overcast FM, which I had to Google today.
• 1:42:50
  Because we keep getting added to various different platforms.
• 1:42:53
  And this one is apparently a nap.
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  So hello to everyone on overcast FM.
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  And yeah, I hope that everyone is enjoying the podcast as much
• 1:43:03
  as I'm enjoying making it. This is the 26th episode now, so
• 1:43:08
  it's kind of crazy how quickly and that the salespeople one.
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  So, it's magic, this is meant to be, it's meant to be.
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  It's meant to be. Thank you, everyone.
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  And yeah, Until next time. Peace out.
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  One love. I'll see you in the next one.
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  Joe.