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MINI SCROLL: Twitch vs. Dr Disrespect, Brooke Schofield's "Who TF Did I Marry?", Sabrina Carpenter exposes hater + Lilah Gibney wedding backlash · Mini Scroll

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  Hi everyone, welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
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  culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
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  media, the creator economy and the digital space.
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  Every Monday through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
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  the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
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  OK before I start today guys I have to issue an apology and an
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  official correction. So a few days ago I reported on
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  like Charlie XCX and Lord and their friendship history slash
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  drama. I got the timeline of their
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  history from a reputable, I thought, entertainment site.
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  I mean, I still would consider them reputable.
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  However, one of the details that they shared, which I then shared
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  with you guys was that that interview from 2014 where the
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  interviewer mistakes Charlie XCX for Lorde and asks her how did
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  you come up with the song for Royals?
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  Anyways, that was a skit and I think that this shows that a lot
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  of us didn't know the lore properly because I actually
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  normally like when we mess up on this podcast, somebody will like
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  slide into the DMS. It's never in any type of like rude way.
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  It's always just people being like FYI like this was slightly
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  wrong or whatever. No one messaged, no one said
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  anything. The only reason why I know this
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  is because I made a TikTok on Centennial World's TikTok like
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  breaking down their history and that didn't even go viral or
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  anything. It only got like 60,000 views
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  but the comments were filled like the with the meanest
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  comments ever because I got that wrong.
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  And once I started to see people be like it was a skit, I
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  obviously looked into it and then I was like Oh my God, I
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  actually am so embarrassed. So official correction, I didn't
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  Fact Check properly and I spread some fake news and I am very
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  sorry. So that was a joke.
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  It was a skit. Everything else about that story
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  was real. That skit happened, you know,
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  but it was like not a real interview.
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  This is so dramatic. But I'm sure some of you guys
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  can relate to this because I had this like mess up around that
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  situation and I've been like obsessed with Brat, the album
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  and the deluxe album. And I've been listening to it
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  like literally non-stop. And then yesterday when I
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  discovered that I messed this up.
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  Now I just can't listen to it anymore because it makes me like
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  cringe. But anyways, I am sorry for
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  spreading fake news. Hopefully Charlie XC XS fan base
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  will forgive me. I don't think they will because
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  they were super super mad at me on TikTok.
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  But please forgive me. OK?
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  Anyways, let's just get into the stories today.
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  So the first story that I have for you guys is that Doctor
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  Disrespect has admitted that he was sending inappropriate
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  messages to a minor and this is what got him banned on Twitch.
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  So this is probably the biggest story on the Internet right now.
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  So in 2020, Doctor Disrespect, whose real name is Guy Beam, was
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  removed from Twitch suddenly with no explanation.
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  He had over 4 million followers, which is one of the biggest
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  streamers on the platform at the time.
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  Twitch followers are very different than Instagram or
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  TikTok followers, for example. So 4,000,000 is massive.
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  So he had maintained that he didn't know why he got banned.
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  And over the years, everyone's just kind of chalked it up to
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  some like mystery that we might never know.
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  However, on Friday, former Twitch employee Cody Connors
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  tweeted an ominous post which was essentially widely accepted
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  to be about doctor disrespect. He didn't name him, but he wrote
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  he got banned because got caught sexting a minor in the then
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  existing Twitch Whispers product.
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  He was trying to meet up with her at Twitchcon.
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  The powers that be could read in plain text.
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  Case closed, gang. So everyone was like, this has
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  to be about doctor disrespect. And there was just so much like
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  noise around this that a few days later, Doctor Disrespect
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  released his own statement. So he said hello.
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  I'd like to make a quick statement.
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  This was on Twitter. Let's cut the fucking bullshit.
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  As you know, there's no filter with me.
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  I've always been upfront and real with you guys on anything
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  that I can be upfront about, and I'm always willing to accept
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  responsibility, which is why I'm here.
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  Now. First and foremost I do want to
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  apologize to everyone in my community as well as those close
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  to me and my team and everyone at Midnight Society Game Studio.
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  A lot of people have been left in the dark about what happened
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  yesterday with Midnight Society and I and we made the painful
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  decision collectively to have me step down South.
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  Midnight Society was a company that he Co founded.
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  Everyone has been wanting to know why I was banned from
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  Twitch, but for reasons outside of my control, I was not allowed
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  to say anything for the last several years now that two
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  former Twitch employees have publicly disclosed the
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  accusations. So after Cody, sorry, I should
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  have said this, but after Cody published that tweet, another
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  former Twitch employee came out and confirmed to The Verge that
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  this story was accurate. So I assume that is what he
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  means by the two Twitch employees publicly disclosing
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  this. He says I can now tell you my
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  side of the story regarding the ban.
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  Were there Twitch whisper messages with an individual
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  minor back in 2017? The answer is yes.
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  Were there real intentions behind these messages?
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  The answer is absolutely not. These were casual mutual
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  conversations that sometimes leaned too much in the direction
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  of being inappropriate, but nothing more.
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  Nothing illegal happened, no pictures were shared, no crimes
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  were committed. I never even met the individual.
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  I went through a lengthy arbitration regarding a civil
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  dispute with Twitch and that case was resolved by a
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  settlement. Let me be clear, it was not a
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  criminal case against me and no criminal charges have ever been
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  brought against me. OK, so this statement also did
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  not clarify, which many people have pointed out if he did or
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  did not know that this person was a minor because of course,
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  we have seen this kind of situation happened a lot of
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  times, you know, on the Internet with different creators.
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  And usually they will say the defense of I didn't know that
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  this person was a minor. You know, in the case of James
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  Charles, he said that the people that he was sexting, he didn't
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  know. They said that they were 18, but
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  they were actually, you know, 16 or 17 or whatever.
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  He never said that Doctor disrespect never said that in
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  the statement. So a lot of people have pointed
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  out that like, he probably did know that they were a minor
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  because if he didn't, if he really felt like he was duped or
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  he just had no idea, he probably would have said that in this
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  statement. And you know, like I said, this
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  is not anywhere close to the first time that we have seen
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  something like this happen in the creator space.
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  I'm actually #1 very surprised that Twitch D platformed him.
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  That's actually a great move. I'm surprised that they did that
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  because we so rarely see platforms take action like that
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  against creators in this situation.
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  I suppose because it was happening on their platform.
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  That was probably the line that they felt was crossed that like
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  gave them the incentive is not the right word, but like the OK,
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  the permission, the IT, it gave them like what they needed to
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  make the decision to de platform him.
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  It seems to be very easy to foster inappropriate
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  relationships with a young fan base or if you have a young fan
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  base, because the parasocial relationships for these fans are
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  so strong. And there's already such a power
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  imbalance, like such a crazy power dynamic going on there.
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  When you are messaging somebody that you watch who's famous, who
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  has way more money than you, that you're obsessed with,
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  whether you're a minor or not. Like if I was out here DM ING
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  Trisha Paytas, there would be a huge power dynamic, a huge power
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  imbalance because I have a parasocial relationship with
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  her. So if she was asking me to do
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  things, I might say yes. And that would be even stronger
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  if you were a young person who has been watching this person,
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  looking up to them for so long. This creator, you know, fame
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  goes to your head and you start to feel like you're kind of
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  untouchable, I think because you're probably surrounded by so
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  many yes men. There's people constantly
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  wanting to take, take, take from you.
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  And I believe that the hype that you get as a famous person, even
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  as a creator, because creators get a lot of hate too,
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  obviously. But I do believe that the hype
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  that you get, you would, it would be hard not to start
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  believing it, right? You're like, well, everybody's
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  telling me that I'm so amazing and I actually do have this
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  really crazy career and I actually am really famous and
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  actually do make a lot of money. So maybe they're right.
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  Like maybe I am special. That would just be constantly
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  confirmed to you, I think, if you were one of the biggest
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  creators on the Internet. And so you start to feel
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  untouchable. You start to feel like you can
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  do whatever you want. You start to feel like you are
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  almost like God, maybe, I don't know if that's like a big call,
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  but you know, you feel like you can probably do whatever you
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  want, get away with whatever you want and that you have would
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  have such an ego problem. I assume that it's like what
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  you're doing isn't actually that bad.
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  I do believe that most of the creators who have been in this
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  type of situation, maybe this is me being too nice and giving
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  them the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't excuse what they did,
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  but I'm believing, choosing to believe that they have justified
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  it to themselves in some way. It's like when you think like
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  something's not going to happen to you, you're like, oh, yeah,
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  there's obviously predators on the Internet who are messaging
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  minors, but like, I'm not a predator.
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  You know, like that could never be me.
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  It's like, no, that's actually the definition of a predator.
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  So I believe that is where some of this comes from because, you
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  know, whenever anything like this happens, I'm like, how is
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  this keep happening? Like, how is this happening
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  again? So that is kind of my theory
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  behind it, But let me know what you guys think.
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  OK, The next story that I have for you guys, I don't even know.
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  I don't even know. I don't even know.
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  I have to cover the story because Brooke Schofield over
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  The Last Day has uploaded A-15 part TikTok series exposing
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  Clinton Kane, her ex-boyfriend. And it's so wild.
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  She's talked about the Clinton situation many times before, but
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  this was the first time I believe that she has sat down
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  and like, told the story, I believe from like beginning to
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  end. It's so interesting.
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  So you guys have to go watch it. But basically, Clinton is
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  promoting his new album and he posted a TikTok says when you've
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  been over the relationship for two years, but she won't stop
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  yapping. And then his song plays over it.
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  So Brooke was like, oh, really? OK, You want to call me up for
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  yapping? I'll fucking yap.
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  And then she made this 15 part TikTok series and she talks
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  about how they met. He slid into her DMS. He was
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  like obsessed with her. He would message her all the
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  time. She said she never wanted to
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  meet him because he would always be like, you know, let me fly
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  you out to like Las Vegas. And she was like, no.
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  Then he was coming to LA for a show.
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  So she went to the show. She started hanging out with him
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  with some of her friends. And she got like, really into
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  him because, I don't know, she kind of explained it.
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  Like she didn't say this, but it sounded like he kind of had
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  swag. You know, they got into a very
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  serious relationship. It sounded like very fast.
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  They basically moved in together, like right away.
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  And she said that he wouldn't, like, let her leave.
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  I don't think they were like, officially moved in together.
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  She didn't really clarify that. But they like, we're living
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  together and he wouldn't let her leave to go home and, like, get
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  different clothes. Like, he was like, really
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  obsessed with her, like constantly staying, like,
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  basically under his surveillance.
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  He had told her all these things over the course of their
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  relationship getting really serious really quickly.
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  He told her, well, he was, you know, claiming to be from
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  Australia, that his mother, father and sibling died all
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  within the same year. And he would gaslight her and
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  manipulate her, like, almost like weaponize that story
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  against her to get her to do things that he wanted.
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  Like, at one point, he got really mad at her for being on
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  her phone when she was at dinner with him.
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  They went on like this weekend getaway and she was on her
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  phone. And he like, flipped out being
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  like, my mom neglected me. And she would always ignore me
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  during dinner time. And this is like a trigger for
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  me. And she's like, you know, he had
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  this, like, horrible, like, story, this back story.
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  So I just always felt like I had to give him more grace.
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  So there was a few things she said that like, started to
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  happen. Like, for example, they got
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  pulled over on the way to this road trip and he gave, you know,
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  his license and it was Australian, but it said that he
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  was born in 1999. So he was lying.
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  I think he was. She said he was supposed to be
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  one year younger than her. And it turned out he was four
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  years younger than her, but he played it off.
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  He's like, oh, I actually have a fake ID because she was like,
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  wait, is that actually when you were born?
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  And he was like, no, no, I have a fake ID.
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  And she was like, who has a fake ID to make themselves look
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  younger? And then he was promoting an
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  album. He went on the Zack Sang show
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  and on that show he's talking about Australia and like his
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  family and stuff. And then she said she was in bed
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  with him one night after this interview.
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  He's like yelling at his manager that he needs to get the
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  interview from Zach, saying taken down like at any cost.
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  And Brooke was like, why? So she like gets on her phone,
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  looks on the YouTube video and there's all these comments and
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  one of the comments says, not sure where this Australian
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  accent came from, but I grew up with this guy.
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  Like in the USI know his family went to school with him.
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  I know his family. I saw his mom literally last
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  week. So then she starts looking up
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  his mom. She does find her on Facebook.
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  She sees that the life that he told her that he grew up with
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  was like so obviously not true. Like it was all a lie.
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  She said she wasn't still sure if she was like alive or not.
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  He had like lied to her about everything.
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  Like he said he grew up in Perth, Australia in some like
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  massive mansion on the beach, that his mom was a pastor at
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  Hillsong which is like a church here.
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  She had all these different businesses like.
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  Anyways, it all turned out to be these lies and she talks about
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  how it wasn't until she found out that he had been cheating on
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  her multiple times that she ended up ending it.
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  But like, there were so many red flags throughout it and he had
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  just been this alleged pathological liar the whole
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  time. So it is very interesting.
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  That is my synopsis of it. So interesting.
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  So definitely go watch it. OK, the next story that I have
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  for you guys is that Sabrina Carpenter has celebrated her
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  first ever #1 Billboard hit and she has done it by posting a
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  hate tweet which has been highly controversial.
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  Sabrina posted on Instagram today.
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  My first number one on the Billboard Hot 100 and espresso
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  at number four. First number one, as in please,
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  please, please, I'm very immensely grateful.
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  So I will surely always remember this day for the rest of my
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  life. And then she thanks her team.
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  So Sabrina had, you know, shared the music video for please,
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  please, please on Twitter. And then this account had quote
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  tweeted her and wrote, I don't think I've ever seen someone
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  fumble a second single this hard.
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  My goodness. So she had included that tweet
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  in the carousel at the end. So people were like, Oh my God,
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  that's so funny. And then that that same guy, his
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  name is Chase, that same guy, he went back in and he commented on
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  Instagram and he wrote, Congrats, diva made me eat my
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  words. And then Sabrina wrote, love ya,
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  you inspired me. So what has been controversial
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  about this is that this man who tweeted this, she kept his full
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  photo and his handle. So people found him on Twitter
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  and they found this tweet. And the tweet was literally just
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  almost immediately filled up with people saying the worst
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  things about this man, like really homophobic things about
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  this man, just like horrible, disgusting things.
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  And you know, this is part of a bigger conversation that I'm
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  super interested to hear if you guys have opinions on this
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  'cause I don't know where I stand on this.
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  When celebrities or really big influencers post, you know,
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  identifying qualities, whether it's like a photo, a name, a
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  handle of someone who sends them like criticism or hate.
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  I think it probably depends on the level of what they've
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  received. I think if you are like
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  genuinely using hate speech at someone, then if you are, you
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  know, whoever, whoever you are, you have every right to post
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  that person, put them on blast. But for this, I think it's a bit
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  controversial because she is so famous and obviously we know how
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  die hard music stands are just like celebrity stands in
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  general. People rushed to his Twitter to
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  basically bully and harass him. I'm interested to know how you
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  guys feel about that. A lot of people are like, she
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  should have not kept his name in, She should have not kept his
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  photo in. And then other people are like,
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  if you're going to publicly post something like that, like he
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  posted it on Twitter. He posted it on a public forum.
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  However, the hate did get so bad that he first privated his
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  Twitter and then he has since deleted his Twitter.
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  So that's not a good sign. I don't know, I'm interested to
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  hear what you guys think. I think she was doing it as a
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  joke. I think we all know that she has
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  like a really cheeky sense of humor.
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  But I do agree that maybe just because she was doing it in jest
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  and like clearly wasn't actually like upset about it.
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  Well, she was probably upset about it at the time, but like,
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  upset about it now, posting it in this carousel.
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  She probably should have blocked his handle out.
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  I don't know. OK.
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  And the last story that I have for you guys, again, this is a
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  long week of news. So Lila Gibney has been facing
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  backlash for posting content from Alex and Kover's wedding
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  before they posted. So Lila Gibney, we know she's an
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  influencer. She's in the news media a lot
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  because I think she does some controversial stuff, but she
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  also used to be like really close with Tana Mojo and then
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  Tana and her had a big falling out.
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  Tana and Brooke have spoke about that on their podcast a little
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  bit. So she's been kind of in the
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  media because of that. Anyway, so Lila went to Alex
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  Warren and Kover Anon's wedding last weekend and one day after
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  the wedding she posted a vlog titled I caught the bouquet at
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  Alex and Kover's wedding. So this wedding documented them
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  driving to the wedding, you know, the ceremony, reception,
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  everything. You could basically see like the
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  full wedding, you could see what they looked like, all their
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  special moments. So Alex and Kover hadn't
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  actually posted anything formal from their wedding when this
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  vlog went up. They had posted like behind the
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  scenes snippets on TikTok, but they hadn't posted anything
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  official or like formal. So TikTok user at Maddie's
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  basement posted a video asking people if this was a crazy take
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  that a guest posting a vlog about their wedding was not the
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  right time or place. Quote, it's a wedding.
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  It's not a theme park. They said, imagine it's your
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  turn to go talk to this bride and groom.
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  Oh my God, celebrating your love.
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  And you're like, wait, wait, let's vlog.
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  OK, so everybody kind of knew that this was about Alex and
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  Cover and the Lila situation. And then Cover commented on this
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  video writing period. And then Alex commented on it
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  saying this is a very valid take.
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  So clearly they were upset about Lilas blog.
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  So now Lila has responded to the backlash.
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  Yes, I was personally invited by Alex and Cover to their
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  beautiful wedding this last weekend.
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  Yes, I chose to drive 4 hours there because of course need to
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  celebrate literally the most perfect couple ever.
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  And then unfortunately I've blogged it and posted it and
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  y'all are very very upset. So I just want to talk about it
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  genuinely, genuinely from the bottom of my heart.
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  I'm sorry if I offended anybody with this video, with any of my
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  content. I thought that cute little VHS
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  video of like literally the most beautiful wedding ever would
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  make people so happy. That's my way of showing my love
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  and affection honestly, is editing, creating content, my
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  experiences, doing things with people that I love.
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  It is so offensive to the whole world and the millions of people
• 19:25
  telling me to kill myself online right now.
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  But there is no influencer wedding rule book.
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  Honestly there was no signs. No one said it was unplugged.
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  Multiple people asked the multiple people in the wedding
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  party can I post, is it OK if I post?
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  Everybody said yes. There was multiple other content
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  creators posting. I know you guys saw it and there
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  was also 40 rows of social media content creator people all
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  taking content. I mean I think it's just like
• 19:51
  common knowledge to not post anything even like an Instagram
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  story if you have 500 followers and you're on private and it's
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  just your friends and family like to post nothing of the
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  bride and groom unless you explicitly ask them before you
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  do it. You don't want to ruin someones
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  moment I feel like. Weddings are so sensitive.
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  I actually have been seeing a lot of discourse about wearing
• 20:13
  yellow to a wedding. I don't know if you guys have
• 20:15
  seen that on TikTok. But like people are saying not
• 20:17
  to even wear yellow anymore to weddings because to a lot of
• 20:20
  people in in certain lighting, it can look white.
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  So there's all these people that are telling stories of them
• 20:26
  wearing like yellow dresses to weddings and not like even light
• 20:30
  yellow. Like some of them are showing
• 20:31
  their dresses and they're like bright yellow, but in certain
• 20:33
  lighting or to certain people or whatever, it looks really light
• 20:37
  or it looks white and they're getting like called out by like
• 20:41
  the groom's mom or whoever for wearing white when they're
• 20:44
  actually wearing yellow. So I feel like weddings are just
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  so sensitive and you just have to do your best to like be on
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  your best behavior. You have to follow all the
• 20:55
  rules. It doesn't matter.
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  Like it's not a click bait moment.
• 20:57
  Like this is somebody's like special moment that they've
• 21:00
  waited their whole lives for. They've spent so much money on
• 21:02
  like it's not for you to monopolize or like take over
• 21:05
  that moment from them. And that's how I feel in that.
• 21:09
  Anyways, guys, thank you so much for listening to Mini Scroll.
• 21:12
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• 21:14
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• 21:16
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• 21:19
  It helps me keep going. And I will talk to you guys on
• 21:23
  Monday, but there will be a deep dive tomorrow.
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  OK, bye.