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Oscar Piastri gets first win after team orders drama: Hungarian GP Review · Pit Talk

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Speaker 1: Today's episode, Oscar Piastre is Australia's fifth Formula One Grand
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Speaker 1: Prix winner after leading home a dominant McLaren one two
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Speaker 1: in Hungary that wasn't controversial in any way, and Max
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Speaker 1: for staffman doesn't win again. Instead, he fumes that Red
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Speaker 1: Bull Racing is getting complacent after a new upgrade bails
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Speaker 1: to fire. My name is Michael Lomonato, motorsport rider for
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your company and
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Speaker 1: the company of my co hosts from speed Cafe. He
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Speaker 1: was up until three am in the simulator, but his
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Speaker 1: performance is showing no ill effects as a result. It's
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Speaker 1: Matt Cash.
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Speaker 2: The question is it wasn't a Formula one simulator. It
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Speaker 2: was goat simulator that I was playing.
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Speaker 1: Very so you were of a farm simulator man.
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Speaker 2: Funny enough, I do have the game. I also have
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Speaker 2: truck driving simulator. I haven't yet dabbled with bus simulator,
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Speaker 2: but I'm very, very tempted.
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Speaker 1: Maybe on a quite a rare quite maybe it's a
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Speaker 1: mid season break project for you to be simulator operator.
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Speaker 2: But I can see the hours just ebbing away in
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Speaker 2: my future. I'm well spent. Don't get me wrong.
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Speaker 1: I mean I think that whenever I'm on a bus,
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Speaker 1: just think about the time ebbing away from me. That's
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Speaker 1: inaccurate simulator in that situation.
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Speaker 2: Did you just see me? We'll get to zamboge if
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Speaker 2: he stood in the corner holding an imaginary strap, pressing
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Speaker 2: imaginary button, going and ding to myself.
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Speaker 1: He's finally broken. Fust simulators finally broken. And let's move
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Speaker 1: on the matters form to one. Matt, and before we
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Speaker 1: get into a course the big events of the weekend,
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Speaker 1: and we are in the middle of a double header,
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Speaker 1: let's take you through the news you need to know
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Speaker 1: from the last week in five minutes or less, sometimes more,
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Speaker 1: though I shouldn't say all less. Usually it's actually been
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Speaker 1: usually more than five minutes. But Matt, let's start with
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Speaker 1: Kevin Magnison news that broke shortly after our previous podcast.
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Speaker 1: He has at the moment and probably in the future,
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Speaker 1: no seat for twenty twenty five after Half announced it
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be renewing his contract at the end of this season,
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Speaker 1: with Esteban Ochon expected to replace him.
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Speaker 2: I'm I love this new style of announcement where yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're not renewing his contract, but the announcement is this
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Speaker 2: guy's leaving, which we already knew.
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Speaker 1: So it was the.
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Speaker 2: Announcement of the bleeding obvious in many respects as we
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Speaker 2: all lost Esteban's confirmation there. It was expected over the
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Speaker 2: of the Hungary and Grand Prix and obviously delayed because
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Speaker 2: this way from a PR perspective, you get two bites
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Speaker 2: of the cherry. One Magnuson's leaving get headlines. Two O
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Speaker 2: Gon arrive, so you get the headlines. It's good PR.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's an interesting little trend.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and nice amount of respect I suppose for Kevin Magnuson. Two.
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Speaker 1: They were very effusive in their praise of his contribution
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Speaker 1: to the team, so it gave him his own little
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Speaker 1: moment to bask him being sacked. Let's move on now.
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Speaker 2: Too, contract expired.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is quite a significant difference, of course, and
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Speaker 1: Tray give me Antonelli fresh off winning the Springe in
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Speaker 1: Silson a couple of weeks ago, He's now won a
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Speaker 1: feature race victory in Budapest. He's risen to sixth in
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Speaker 1: the Championship if as a result, he is the Mercedes
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Speaker 1: prodigy who's been connected to Lewis Hamilton's seat next season,
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Speaker 1: but after winning in Budapest, the Italian said he's not
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Speaker 1: sure if he's ready for a Formula One promotion.
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Speaker 2: Of course it's going to say that, because that's when
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Speaker 2: everyone else is saying. That's kind of the line that
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Speaker 2: Mercedes will be giving him to spout because you don't
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Speaker 2: want to give the game up at this stage. Ultimately,
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Speaker 2: who else does Mercedes have? Maybe we'll just a little
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Speaker 2: bit of that later on. But I heard a while
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Speaker 2: ago that the plan was Fantinell to do a second
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Speaker 2: year in Formula two. The prema hasn't been good. That's
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Speaker 2: the team he's driving for there with this new car,
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Speaker 2: it's just been a little bit at sea. So the
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Speaker 2: results that he's getting there, at least in the early
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Speaker 2: part of the season, were reflective of him. And the
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Speaker 2: media attention has also got to him a little bit,
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Speaker 2: I've been told, So we'll see, we'll see. I don't
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Speaker 2: know what other options they realistically.
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Speaker 1: Have, though, could be Carlos Science, which would be good
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Speaker 1: news for Jack doing it. Al that's true, it's great. Really,
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Speaker 1: Let's move on to red Bull now, and some of
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Speaker 1: the heat sort of has been taken out of Red
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Speaker 1: Bull Racing for the time being with Helmut Marco redoubling
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Speaker 1: his commitment not just to the brand map but to
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Speaker 1: team Red Bull Racing. And that's of course interesting in
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Speaker 1: relation to the clause in Maxwastappen's contract which was reported
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Speaker 1: earlier in the year that would allow him to leave
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Speaker 1: the team if Marco left the team, but now it
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Speaker 1: seems that that might be taken off the table.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting new agreement. So Marco helped doctor
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Speaker 2: Helmt Marco has been Red bulls Motor sportifyser. That's been
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Speaker 2: a deal with Red Bull GmbH, basically the Austrian drinks
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Speaker 2: company directly. Now he has a contract with Red Bull
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Speaker 2: Racing or in agreement with Red Bull Racing or some
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Speaker 2: sort of commitment to Red Bull Racing that's been formalized,
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Speaker 2: which is a fascinating development. Exactly why and exactly what
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Speaker 2: that is, who knows, but it's an interesting thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And apparently reportedly according to the Dutch media,
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Speaker 1: you'res for Staffen and Christian Horner are talking again, which
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Speaker 1: is remarkable. Saying with Red Bull Race, though Max Verstappen
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Speaker 1: has admitted to racing with blurred vision in the latter
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Speaker 1: half of the twenty twenty one season, he's made entitle
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Speaker 1: winning season after that fifty one g crash with Lewis
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Speaker 1: Hamilton at Silverston. He said it in an article that
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Speaker 1: appeared in the Red bullowned Red Bulletin. It's since been
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Speaker 1: taken down, or rather the part of the article in
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Speaker 1: which he referred to it's been taken down. In this
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Speaker 1: article he likened driving the bumpy circuit of the Americas
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Speaker 1: to like riding a speedboat.
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Speaker 2: That's really concerning, basically because it shows that he was
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Speaker 2: passed fit to race when he clearly wasn't. The part
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Speaker 2: of that article was he considered stopping the car, which
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Speaker 2: is pretty significant for someone like Max with Staffen, who
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Speaker 2: he doesn't stop the car and give up points for anything.
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Speaker 2: So for him to make that revelation suggests it was
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Speaker 2: pretty serious and that's alarming. Given that he was past
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Speaker 2: fit to race. There was something missed there and that
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Speaker 2: needs to be looked at pretty sharply.
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Speaker 1: I'm interesting to see if that one has followed up.
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Speaker 1: And finally, Matt unbelievably the second time, not just this year,
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Speaker 1: but I'm just looking at my calendar this month, I
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Speaker 1: think McLaren's motor home is out of action after catching
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Speaker 1: fire in Spain, had its roof ripped off by a
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Speaker 1: storm in Budapest. Coincidentally, though, Matt Lenda Norris took pole
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Speaker 1: on both races at which these disasters struck.
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Speaker 2: And for all our Australian listeners here, remember Clark and
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Speaker 2: Door if you can think back to that one about
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Speaker 2: the front fell off the boat. That kind of happened
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Speaker 2: in Monaco as well that we got there on the
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Speaker 2: Thursday and the hospitality center in the paddock didn't have
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Speaker 2: a didn't have a front of it. So yeah, they've
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Speaker 2: not had a great run of late. But I mean
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Speaker 2: ultimately this time, no massive issues other than the fact
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Speaker 2: that there's no roof on it. You know, there's no
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Speaker 2: fire or whatever. But no one went to hospital. But
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Speaker 2: it's no idea, really is it. Oscar had to use
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Speaker 2: a smaller of his driver's rooms. He's got two of them,
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Speaker 2: but it had air conditioning and in Hungry that's kind
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Speaker 2: of the one you want anyway.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it worked out in the end, well, it
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Speaker 1: worked out for it's worked out on track in the
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Speaker 1: end of it. I've had that motor home. It's out
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Speaker 1: of action now again. I Saly must be cursed some
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Speaker 1: other explanation for it, because this is a different I
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Speaker 1: don't know if anyone really follows motor home chat in
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Speaker 1: Formula one, but McLaren used to have what it called
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Speaker 1: the brand Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the brand Center. This structure is a more.
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Speaker 1: Modest version of it, so at the start there's no
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Speaker 1: spiral staircase.
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Speaker 2: At the start of the last year they went and
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Speaker 2: refurbished it basically to downsize, to to make logistics a
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Speaker 2: little bit more straightforward, to reduce car for and all
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Speaker 2: of that sort of stuff. I went through this rejuvenation process.
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Speaker 2: It is the brand Center, slightly different facade and internals,
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Speaker 2: but it is exactly the same structure. This thing goes
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Speaker 2: back to run Dennis back in about two thousand and five.
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Speaker 2: Isch off the top of my head. It's it's older
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Speaker 2: than Lewis Hamilton's.
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Speaker 1: Certainly showing its age at unfortunately for it.
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Speaker 2: It's yeah, yes, it's a little bit.
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Speaker 1: It is a little bit less obstentatious than the original
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Speaker 1: version of it. But well, certainly at the moment it is.
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Speaker 1: Let's move on, Matt to action on track at the
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Speaker 1: Hungarian Grand Prix, and of course Oscar Piastri's first win.
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Speaker 1: Don't talk about the sprint last year doesn't count. Very
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Speaker 1: satisfied actually that afterwards he pretty much said as much.
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Speaker 1: The sprint was nice, but this is the win that
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Speaker 1: really counted. Obviously, wasn't super straightforward in the end, despite
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Speaker 1: having the pace throughout the Grand Prix, pinching the lead
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Speaker 1: at the first turn from polgetter Orlando Norris didn't look
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Speaker 1: back after that until well, the team really made him
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Speaker 1: look back in that team orders fiasco. But let's start
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Speaker 1: with him winning that first of all, because this was
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Speaker 1: I've actually found it interesting trying to describe this variously
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Speaker 1: as being a long time coming on the one, but
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Speaker 1: it has been Formula one long enough to really be
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Speaker 1: a long time coming, I suppose, only thirty four to
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Speaker 1: thirty five races, and also in some senses quite unremarkable,
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Speaker 1: because we've all known it was going to happen sooner
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Speaker 1: or later. This win, to me almost just feels like, well,
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Speaker 1: of course he was going to win. It's a box checked,
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Speaker 1: and now let's move on to bigger and better things.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to point out that he is exactly average.
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Speaker 2: Here is the fiftieth percentile when it comes to Australians
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Speaker 2: winning in Formula One in terms of the speed with
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Speaker 2: which they've done it, Jack Brabham and Alan Jones were
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Speaker 2: faster with their first wins, but Daniel Ricardo and Mark
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Speaker 2: Webble was slower. So he's exactly average when it comes
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Speaker 2: to Australians winning in Formula one them. But yeah, so
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Speaker 2: it has been both a long time coming and very quick.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it does feel like that we've been speaking
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Speaker 2: about Oscar for so long, even the year before he
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Speaker 2: was in Formula one, he dominated that August. Obviously, he
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Speaker 2: entered the sport with a huge junior career, so he's
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Speaker 2: been on the radar four a long time. You know,
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Speaker 2: he was Kimmy Antonelli before Kimy Antonelli was So that
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Speaker 2: conversation comes with a huge amount of expectation and the
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Speaker 2: way McLaren's been traveling that you know, everythinge I think
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Speaker 2: has been on the journey with McLaren. Because if you're
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Speaker 2: a reb Bull fan or not, what you want to
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Speaker 2: see is competition. Yes, it's nice to see your team
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Speaker 2: win eight nil, nine nil, whatever, but there's nothing more
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Speaker 2: exciting than a than a one nil win. At the
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Speaker 2: end of a competitive game with the kick of the
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Speaker 2: ninetieth minute, so you want to see some competition out there.
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Speaker 2: So I think everyone was enjoying the journey with McLaren
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Speaker 2: because you could see where it was going to end up.
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Speaker 2: And to see that with Oscar as well, knowing that backstory,
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Speaker 2: knowing and you know the ringer that he went through
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Speaker 2: just to get to formula. Knowing that just makes it
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Speaker 2: a little bit more round it. We're a little bit
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Speaker 2: more invested, I think, and that's why it feels like
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Speaker 2: it's taken so long, because we'll be on this journey
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Speaker 2: with him. At the same time it feels so quick
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Speaker 2: because he's only been there for five minutes.
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Speaker 1: There's also the element that it feels like it could
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Speaker 1: have happened already this season. He has a tragically small
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Speaker 1: trophy cabinet this year when really should have had much
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Speaker 1: more silver are for mostly circumstances outside of his control.
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Speaker 1: Very rarely has it been something within his power to
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Speaker 1: have scored a better result this year. So it's also
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Speaker 1: been that element of it that it's been hard for
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Speaker 1: him to make it to that top step. Although that said,
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Speaker 1: that's been a bit of a McLaren thing as we
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Speaker 1: talked about last week, many missed opportunities by the team
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Speaker 1: and really still to still have only two wins for
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Speaker 1: this season doesn't seem right for a team that dominated
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Speaker 1: so comprehensively in Hungary. And I guess sucked into those
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Speaker 1: who wanted are closer battle because well they got a
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Speaker 1: different winner, but it wasn't much closer about it.
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Speaker 2: In the end, I was going to say, well, it
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Speaker 2: did get a little bit interesting. There was definitely some intrigue.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, it's exactly my point, because there was one
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Speaker 1: point where it did get very close and very interesting
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Speaker 1: in the final stint, the final third of the Grand Prix,
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Speaker 1: when matt I had already written most of my report
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Speaker 1: talking about how oscopiastri had fundamentally cruised to his first
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Speaker 1: Crumfrerie win and what a result there was this team
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Speaker 1: orders debacle or well fiasco or just mind a point
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Speaker 1: of interest, depending on your perspective and whether or not
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Speaker 1: you work for McLaren. I suppose it was a very
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Speaker 1: conservative strategy from McLaren that had Lando Norris jump Oscar
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Speaker 1: piastre in and undercut they were protecting against Lewis Hamilton behind.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't really a threat, but I guess considering how much.
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Speaker 1: Just for example, we last week said they missed opportunities
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Speaker 1: they really wanted to belt embraces this one. And I
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Speaker 1: suppose Matt counted on Lando Norris and Oscopiastri's history together
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Speaker 1: the last eighteen months, but the longer history for Lando
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Speaker 1: Norris two have never really questioning team orders, never really
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Speaker 1: questioning the team in general, to just do so again,
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Speaker 1: despite the stakes for him being markedly higher with a
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Speaker 1: race wind being on the line, and I think were
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Speaker 1: surprised despite what the team said afterwards that the response
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Speaker 1: they well, at first, they got no response back and
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Speaker 1: then subsequently got various negative responses back before three laps
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Speaker 1: from the Lando Norris finally obeyed the orders.
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Speaker 2: Andrea Stella, McLaren team principal, said some interesting things post
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Speaker 2: race when questioned about this. The point that really stuck
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Speaker 2: in my crawl was the interest of the team comes first.
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Speaker 2: If you mess up on this matter, you cannot be
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Speaker 2: part of the McLaren Formula One team. The team comes first.
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Speaker 2: If you mess up, you're not part of McLaren. Lando
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Speaker 2: Norris put himself first. Okay, he eventually conceded, but he
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Speaker 2: made very clear that he put himself before the team.
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Speaker 2: And then Andrea Stella went on to defend Lando's behavior,
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Speaker 2: saying that it's sort of, you know, it's part of
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Speaker 2: bigger racing driver, you have to be selfish. It's totally understandable.
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Speaker 2: But he was absolute professional, but an absolute professional dragging
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Speaker 2: a conversation, a needless conversation up for twenty laps when
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Speaker 2: there was only ever going to be one outcome. And
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Speaker 2: if Lando hadn't seeded the place back, he'd have won
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Speaker 2: that battle, but civil war would have broken out within
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Speaker 2: the team, and Lando probably would have lost the team
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Speaker 2: in the dressing room and all those those things as well.
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Speaker 2: Because Oscar, through his eighteen months with McLaren has more
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Speaker 2: than once sacrificed himself for the greater good of the team.
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Speaker 2: He's shown himself to live by the premise that Andrea
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Speaker 2: speaks of the interest of the team comes first. Oscar
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Speaker 2: has lived by that. Lando has demonstrated that that's an
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Speaker 2: after thought. So that's one interesting point. But I do
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Speaker 2: have a little bit of empathy for the Lando because
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Speaker 2: he was put in that position and he didn't understand
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Speaker 2: how or why, And that comes back to a fundamental
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Speaker 2: communication issue from McClaren. If they'd explained to Lando, we're
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Speaker 2: going to box you to cover off the undercut from Hamilton,
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Speaker 2: you will let Oscar back through. We're protecting you in
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Speaker 2: second place. We're not giving you first, we are protecting
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Speaker 2: you in second That message never came through, and it
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Speaker 2: was only when he was in the lead, or at
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Speaker 2: least from the radio broadcast that we've had, it was
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Speaker 2: only when he was in the lead that he was
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Speaker 2: told to let Oscar back through. It's well, I'm in
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Speaker 2: front now, why would I give up that? And it's
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Speaker 2: not just giving up a lead, it's giving up seven
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Speaker 2: points in a championship fight when Max was looking at
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Speaker 2: thirty ultimately ended up fifth, but that was by the
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Speaker 2: bye he gave up seven points as well. So there
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Speaker 2: are two issues there that I didn't like about that
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Speaker 2: last third of the race. One the selfish responses from
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Speaker 2: Lando Norris, but to the way McClaren dropped minute in
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Speaker 2: the first place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important to emphasize that second part, in particular
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Speaker 1: that McLaren's role in this, because I've certainly seen a
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Speaker 1: lot of feedback on our Fox Sports social accounts that
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Speaker 1: it felt to some people that this was a Team
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Speaker 1: Orders victory on Piastre's behalf, when really it was the opposite.
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Speaker 1: It would have been a Team Orders defeat had he
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Speaker 1: not been soft back, and it would have been more
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Speaker 1: outrageous for that reason that the team put them in
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Speaker 1: that order. You can argue about and Piastre has been
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Speaker 1: open about the fact that he's pacing the last stint
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Speaker 1: wasn't as good as in his first two, and we
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Speaker 1: can say, well, who was the faster car at the end,
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Speaker 1: But we only really would have got a convincing answer
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Speaker 1: that had Norris obeyed the team order more quickly and
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Speaker 1: then potentially have shown himself up as being the faster driver,
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Speaker 1: and then maybe we would have got a race for
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Speaker 1: the victory. Who knows, and that would have been a
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Speaker 1: totally different prospect. And they were race, yes, exactly, but
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Speaker 1: we didn't get the race that could have been because
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Speaker 1: he was so intent on creating that gap in that
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Speaker 1: last stint to make a point when maybe he could
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Speaker 1: have used that pace after having dropped back immediately after
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Speaker 1: the fit stops to try and tell him. So it's
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Speaker 1: kind of a moot point, but it's impossible to argue
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Speaker 1: that this was a team orders victory when really the
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Speaker 1: opposite is true. I really thought though Lando Norris's quotes
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Speaker 1: after the race deserves some mention here. At first, he
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Speaker 1: insisted that there was no controversy. Was always what are
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Speaker 1: you talking about it? I was always going to give
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Speaker 1: the position back. One of people complaining about it was
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Speaker 1: in the press comers afterwards that he sort of gave
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Speaker 1: a little bit of an insight into the anguish. I
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Speaker 1: guess he says he was feeling in the cockpit anyway,
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Speaker 1: and I quote from him, You've got to be selfish
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Speaker 1: in this sport. Sometimes you've got to think of yourself.
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Speaker 1: That's parody number one. But I'm also a team player,
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Speaker 1: so my mind was going pretty crazy at the time.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, but I also understood the situation and
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Speaker 1: I was quite confident always by the last lap I
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Speaker 1: would have done it. And I find that kind of
17:46
Speaker 1: interesting because Landa Ross has grown up at McLaren right.
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Speaker 1: He's a product fundamentally of McLaren. They gave him his
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Speaker 1: first shot, he developed at that team, and he's now
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Speaker 1: leading the team. There's always been that loyalty with McLaren,
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Speaker 1: but there's never been a reason for him to think
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Speaker 1: about himself as a driver almost in his own right,
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Speaker 1: because McLaren's never been in that position. Even last year
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Speaker 1: when they were going for wins, they were going all
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Speaker 1: out because wins were such a rare thing. This year, though,
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Speaker 1: while he's obviously desperate to back up his Miami Grand
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Speaker 1: pre victory because there have been so many missed opportunities,
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Speaker 1: he is also thinking about the championship. He mentions it
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Speaker 1: he knows it's a long shot, but it's it is
18:23
Speaker 1: a long shot. It's not out of the question. It's
18:25
Speaker 1: worth a try. And suddenly his mind is operating in
18:28
Speaker 1: a way I guess it's never had to during his
18:30
Speaker 1: McLaren tenure. And I find that interesting because, to go
18:33
Speaker 1: back to things that Andrea Seller was talking about after
18:35
Speaker 1: the race, the principles of McLaren are racing for the
18:38
Speaker 1: team and you always put the team before yourself. I
18:40
Speaker 1: mean every team would say that, but the way he
18:42
Speaker 1: talks about it in these Sunday morning meetings a year
18:44
Speaker 1: about that, it's really meant to be a big thing
18:45
Speaker 1: at McLaren. I guess the conditions that got Orlando Norris
18:50
Speaker 1: there are different now because the conditions that would have
18:52
Speaker 1: got him too. That mindset originally was that, well, we
18:54
Speaker 1: hope we could race for a championship in twenty twenty six.
18:56
Speaker 1: Until then we're building up. Well, no, they're racing for
18:59
Speaker 1: championships today. How does that process and procedure and structure
19:03
Speaker 1: stack up is going to be the question of this
19:05
Speaker 1: second half of the season, because the McLaren from today really,
19:08
Speaker 1: but let's just for neatness the second half of the year,
19:11
Speaker 1: he's different to the one we're talking about even a
19:13
Speaker 1: few months ago.
19:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, pre Miami McLaren was midfield, upper midfield, but midfield
19:21
Speaker 2: and the championship. Norris is in with a shot. It's
19:24
Speaker 2: a long shot, but it is a shot. And Terry
19:26
Speaker 2: Pratchett wrote that medi in the one shots happened one
19:29
Speaker 2: hundred percent of the time, so you know he's got
19:31
Speaker 2: a good chance. It's a good quote, that one. I'm
19:35
Speaker 2: a big fan of Terry Pratchett. I wonder I'm not
19:40
Speaker 2: a psychologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I
19:42
Speaker 2: wonder how much of this is actually a result of
19:46
Speaker 2: the fact that Norris is part of McLaren that has
19:51
Speaker 2: been for so long. He's been brought in, groomed to
19:54
Speaker 2: lead McLaren told how good he is, Told he's the future,
19:57
Speaker 2: told he's you know, they're guiding light. So of course
20:01
Speaker 2: that's eventually going to seep in. Then you're going to
20:03
Speaker 2: start believing your own pr you know, he's going to
20:06
Speaker 2: start thinking, I'm the leader of this team, I'm in charge,
20:10
Speaker 2: I'm the best. Whatever it is. With power of positive
20:13
Speaker 2: thinking and all that sort of stuff, it does eventually
20:15
Speaker 2: seek In Conversely, you've got Oscar, who is so appreciative
20:20
Speaker 2: to be there because he knows what it feels like
20:24
Speaker 2: to not be appreciated, to be held backwards, to be
20:28
Speaker 2: pushed backwards, to be completely nutterly screwed over by olpam
20:34
Speaker 2: let's don't throw bodes about it. And he got that
20:37
Speaker 2: olive lit branch from McLaren and he's appreciated for it.
20:41
Speaker 2: Every single quote that you read he talks about the
20:46
Speaker 2: appreciation that he has for Zach, the fact that he
20:51
Speaker 2: loves being there, that he feels enthused and energized because
20:55
Speaker 2: they show that faith in him. So it's a different
20:58
Speaker 2: it's the same thing for Oscar and Lando. I think
21:02
Speaker 2: they're just looking at it from different sides of the coin.
21:05
Speaker 2: Lando's never had that never had that roadblock that Oscar
21:09
Speaker 2: had and as a result him being told he's the future,
21:13
Speaker 2: he's the best, that him is all, Yeah, that makes
21:16
Speaker 2: sense where Oscar's like, hey, you guys believe in me
21:19
Speaker 2: a lot. That means a lot. So it's it's curious
21:22
Speaker 2: and I just again I'm not a psychologist, but that
21:24
Speaker 2: that's an interesting thing that I take out of that
21:26
Speaker 2: as well, just a the mental approach of the of
21:30
Speaker 2: the two drivers.
21:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, as I suppose a final notn
21:33
Speaker 1: on this before we move on to other matters from
21:35
Speaker 1: this race, what's fascinating about this rivalry because it is
21:38
Speaker 1: a rivalry now and if it's a quiet one, particularly
21:40
Speaker 1: given championships are on the line, it can very quiet.
21:43
Speaker 1: Oscar doesn't say much, Yes, but he's very quiet, very
21:46
Speaker 1: understated man, but didn't celebrate all that much after this
21:48
Speaker 1: race when really speaks to he's very level headed, very cool.
21:51
Speaker 2: Stoic I think is the word.
21:52
Speaker 1: Yes, stoic, I like it a lot. Is that that
21:56
Speaker 1: the threat of him to Norris has been pretty far
22:00
Speaker 1: radical up until now. We've talked a lot about the
22:02
Speaker 1: single lap pace and Norris having to lift his game,
22:04
Speaker 1: and Lando himself has talked about how Oscar's made him
22:07
Speaker 1: lift his game, but it still really remained on paper.
22:10
Speaker 1: We've seen Oscar get close and then Norris respond winning
22:14
Speaker 1: his first race, beating Lando Norris in a straight fight
22:16
Speaker 1: him and he beat him down to the first corner,
22:18
Speaker 1: had the pace through the race lasting. Besides, it's now
22:22
Speaker 1: a real threat. There's now a real battle for position
22:25
Speaker 1: in McLaren. I know Andreas Stella will say there's no
22:27
Speaker 1: number one and number two driver. That's true, but there
22:30
Speaker 1: is in every team, if not emotionally, then just purely
22:33
Speaker 1: by results. Whoever's getting the best results ends up becoming
22:35
Speaker 1: a lead driver, whether it's temporary or it ends up
22:38
Speaker 1: being a long term thing. That battle's on now that's
22:41
Speaker 1: a real thing now that Oscar's off the line as
22:43
Speaker 1: we knew he always would be. I'm glad it's sooner
22:46
Speaker 1: rather than later for his sake, but I think sooner
22:48
Speaker 1: rather than later also sets this up for a long
22:50
Speaker 1: slog to the end of the year, because, of course,
22:53
Speaker 1: regardless of whether McLaren wins one or no or two
22:56
Speaker 1: titles this year, next year, you've got to believe that
22:59
Speaker 1: they're going to start. But as a favorite, they're going
23:01
Speaker 1: to start on even footing with Red Bull Racing, maybe
23:03
Speaker 1: Mercedes and prior who knows, but it'll that we properly
23:06
Speaker 1: in with a shot and then positioning in terms of
23:09
Speaker 1: which drivers performing better and what's the form book like
23:12
Speaker 1: is way more important because one hundred everything will be
23:15
Speaker 1: on the line, and that's what makes the second half
23:17
Speaker 1: of the season McLaren so interesting, regardless of whether or
23:20
Speaker 1: not they actually take the fight to Red Bull Racing.
23:23
Speaker 2: Having duel number ones works brilliantly in a Formula One team.
23:28
Speaker 2: It works for Williams in nineteen eighty six with Nigel
23:31
Speaker 2: Mansellin and Nelson p K. It worked at McLaren with
23:36
Speaker 2: Alain Prost and end Center. It worked in Mercedes with
23:40
Speaker 2: Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton. There's very very few examples
23:46
Speaker 2: in Formula One history. We're having two highly rated, highly credentialed,
23:52
Speaker 2: equal status drivers works very few.
23:58
Speaker 1: Let's move on now, Matt though, to Red Bull Racing,
24:01
Speaker 1: a team that does not have to equal number one drivers. Sorry,
24:04
Speaker 1: Serjo Perez. An interesting weekend for the Raining Constructors Championship
24:09
Speaker 1: winning team. This was the biggest upgrade of the year
24:12
Speaker 1: so far for Red Bull racing designed almost specifically for
24:16
Speaker 1: Hungary or the conditions of Hungary anyway, low speed performance,
24:19
Speaker 1: opening up the set up window, even cooling, even hot weather,
24:22
Speaker 1: which happened to be very much the case in Budapest,
24:24
Speaker 1: and Maxistappen said it worked, but clearly not enough because
24:28
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing. I don't want to sound so dramatic
24:30
Speaker 1: and say it wasn't out the races, because it still
24:32
Speaker 1: was the second quickest car, but wasn't really in competition
24:35
Speaker 1: for Pole. The margins in the end were false in
24:39
Speaker 1: the sense that they looked really close beer because Lando
24:41
Speaker 1: and Rris didn't get his second lap in, so it
24:42
Speaker 1: probably would have been bigger, and in the Grand Prix
24:45
Speaker 1: wasn't really there and some of that inevitably would it
24:48
Speaker 1: be Max of Staffin's frustration to talk on in the
24:50
Speaker 1: second But even then the car performance wasn't as we'd
24:53
Speaker 1: come to expect, where he's capable of winning from anywhere
24:56
Speaker 1: on the grid and almost anywhere in the race. And
24:59
Speaker 1: of course most people will remember this Grand Prix from
25:01
Speaker 1: the Red Bull perspective as being the one or one
25:04
Speaker 1: of the few I suppose the handful when Max with
25:06
Speaker 1: Stafford felt like he was truly having a breakdown in
25:10
Speaker 1: the cockpit. He's angry at everything and at every one
25:13
Speaker 1: drivers he'd come across on the track, the stewarding, the
25:16
Speaker 1: performance of the car, his race engineer, the pitball, developers
25:20
Speaker 1: of the car, the design office. Nothing was spared from
25:23
Speaker 1: his ire and I think, Matt it gives us a
25:25
Speaker 1: little bit of an insight. I mean, we already know
25:27
Speaker 1: what Max is like as a racer and that this
25:29
Speaker 1: is not wildly out of character for him, but I
25:32
Speaker 1: think it does give you an insight into pressure is
25:36
Speaker 1: maybe not exactly the right word, but the fact that
25:38
Speaker 1: there is more going on behind the scenes, and that
25:41
Speaker 1: he does genuinely feel like the season is slipping away
25:44
Speaker 1: from him. Maybe not the title per se, but that
25:46
Speaker 1: he feels like that era of absolute domination is escaping him.
25:52
Speaker 2: There's multiple things happening at the moment. Firstly, if we
25:57
Speaker 2: look at Formula One, over the last decade, we have
26:00
Speaker 2: historically had a clear favorite team. There's been very few
26:05
Speaker 2: seasons where you've had a proper competition. We had a
26:09
Speaker 2: little bit of that in twenty one. Obviously, there's a
26:11
Speaker 2: little bit of that at the start of twenty two,
26:14
Speaker 2: but they're almost the anomaly where there is competition in
26:17
Speaker 2: a proper battle, usually it's a team at the front
26:19
Speaker 2: that runs clear and is battling it out between themselves.
26:24
Speaker 2: So we're in something of an anomaly in recent history,
26:27
Speaker 2: so that by itself is already a little bit unusual.
26:31
Speaker 2: Red Bull, also within this regulation set, is reaching the
26:34
Speaker 2: top of a development curve. It's getting more and more
26:38
Speaker 2: marginal gains from what little wind tunnel time it has,
26:41
Speaker 2: and it does have reduced wind tunnel time. It's increased
26:45
Speaker 2: versus what it had because some of the some of
26:48
Speaker 2: the penalties and things have come off, but also proportionally
26:52
Speaker 2: McLaren has moved up and other bits and pieces. But
26:56
Speaker 2: they're making smaller and smaller gains to the point where
26:58
Speaker 2: it's almost a few should see is now more than
27:01
Speaker 2: gains that they're finding. Others are still finding gains, so
27:04
Speaker 2: they're getting closer, which is only serving to remp the
27:06
Speaker 2: pressure up even further. Then you cast your mind back
27:11
Speaker 2: six or so months, and Red Bull was in the
27:14
Speaker 2: headlines for a lot of off track reasons that were
27:19
Speaker 2: well documented. Don't need to go back over those, but
27:22
Speaker 2: at the time Christian Horner himself said it was a distraction.
27:27
Speaker 2: We know it was a distraction. There was stuff that
27:30
Speaker 2: left through that time for whatever reason, but that's going
27:33
Speaker 2: to have had an impact. And I had a conversation
27:36
Speaker 2: over the weekend with a few people and it's like,
27:40
Speaker 2: maybe this is where it's starting to show, because there's
27:42
Speaker 2: obviously a lag time, you know, in terms of developing
27:45
Speaker 2: upgrade packages and formulating how that's going to be dripped
27:49
Speaker 2: out and working it all out. There's a lead time
27:52
Speaker 2: in developing, producing whatever. Maybe what we're seeing now is
27:58
Speaker 2: the hangover of what we saw at the start of
28:01
Speaker 2: the year, which is an interesting thing as well, particularly
28:03
Speaker 2: given the developments that we've seen over the last week
28:06
Speaker 2: or so with Helmet Marco now having a contract with
28:08
Speaker 2: Red Bull Racing Max for Stappen's attitude throughout the Hunger
28:15
Speaker 2: and Grand Prix, and it wasn't just the race that
28:18
Speaker 2: he was surly in that, you know, he was short
28:21
Speaker 2: throughout the weekend and I just question him racing in
28:28
Speaker 2: what was a neurburgering twenty four hour virtual race. He's
28:34
Speaker 2: in the middle of a world championship battle, the biggest
28:37
Speaker 2: form of motor spot on the planet, and he's willing
28:42
Speaker 2: to distract himself racing until the wee hours. But if
28:48
Speaker 2: I'm Christian Horner, I'm having some pretty stern words.
28:52
Speaker 1: I don't think you are. If you're Christian Horner, I
28:53
Speaker 1: don't think he's capable of having.
28:55
Speaker 2: And that's the point that I'm getting to. It's like,
28:59
Speaker 2: who now runs Red Bull? Where is the power in
29:02
Speaker 2: that relationship? Is it with the staffman and Marcos such
29:07
Speaker 2: that they can do that what they want? And is
29:10
Speaker 2: that the contributing factor to what they're seeing? Now? There's
29:14
Speaker 2: so many layers to this onion that and there's probably
29:17
Speaker 2: elements of truth in every layer that it's almost impossible
29:20
Speaker 2: to wonder. It's going to be fascinating to see how
29:26
Speaker 2: this exact. We don't have to wait long because the
29:30
Speaker 2: Belgian grow ond Prix. I don't think Red Bull go
29:33
Speaker 2: there as favorites. They go there as contenders, but I
29:35
Speaker 2: think they go there as favorites. I think McLaren are favorites.
29:39
Speaker 2: When was the last time you said that? When there
29:40
Speaker 2: was the last time the ball went into a race weekend?
29:44
Speaker 2: Arguably is the underdogs and on the back foot. So
29:46
Speaker 2: it's going to be fascinating to see, you know, how
29:50
Speaker 2: much fight is left in that team and what we
29:56
Speaker 2: saw in Hungary. What does that mean? Is that Max
29:59
Speaker 2: for stuff fighting? Is that him panicking? Is that him
30:02
Speaker 2: just sleep deprived? Is it just him having a bad weekend?
30:06
Speaker 2: I mean we all have him. Yeah, it's it's gonna
30:10
Speaker 2: be fascinating. Really, really is.
30:13
Speaker 1: It's going to be. I mean, I liked I'd always
30:16
Speaker 1: try to avoid making sweeting statements. But it's all over obviously,
30:18
Speaker 1: But it's no. It's this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix is
30:23
Speaker 1: really interesting you talk about the form guide because this
30:26
Speaker 1: has been absolute Red Bull territory. Under this set of rules.
30:29
Speaker 1: The team has been embarrassingly fast at this circuit, regardless
30:35
Speaker 1: of the problems it's had. I mean, Max is one
30:36
Speaker 1: from all sorts of good places here. If it can't
30:39
Speaker 1: win this weekend, that really does mean what we've seen,
30:43
Speaker 1: and it's a Claren winning presumably in this scenario, it'd
30:45
Speaker 1: be weird if for someone else. I suppose that really
30:47
Speaker 1: does mean that the form guide has changed. Because I
30:50
Speaker 1: still expect what I mean, I don't know, it's interesting
30:52
Speaker 1: to contemplate who might be the favorite this weekend. I
30:54
Speaker 1: still expect Red Bull to be back in much better form.
30:57
Speaker 1: But if Max doesn't mean Orlando wins, of Oscar wins
31:00
Speaker 1: or someone else wins. It'd be interesting. Then I think
31:03
Speaker 1: we can put a line under Red Bull turning up
31:06
Speaker 1: to some tracks and dominating this year, because this is
31:08
Speaker 1: the track that it should dominate at. So there's a
31:12
Speaker 1: lot actually quite on the line for Red Bull Racing
31:13
Speaker 1: this weekend, or at least in terms of how we
31:15
Speaker 1: understand it. Because then if you look at the Constructors
31:18
Speaker 1: Championship twenty seven points, I think McLaren took out of
31:20
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing finally actually second in the standings as well,
31:23
Speaker 1: so we can stop ignoring Ferrari and just say that
31:26
Speaker 1: they're third and not mention them again. That's down to
31:28
Speaker 1: fifty one points I think off the top of my head,
31:30
Speaker 1: or fifty odd points. I mean, that just tells you
31:32
Speaker 1: if they do the same thing a couple of races
31:34
Speaker 1: in a row, they will lead the constructor standings by
31:37
Speaker 1: the end of the Italian Grand Prix or thereabouts by
31:39
Speaker 1: Singapore at a minimum. So it really is on here
31:42
Speaker 1: and Red Bull needs to respond, I think, or show
31:44
Speaker 1: that it can respond. Rather, responding is usually quite a
31:47
Speaker 1: long timescale kind of thing in Formula one, so like
31:50
Speaker 1: you said there's a lot of different elements here. There's
31:52
Speaker 1: a number element I do want to touch on, of course, though,
31:54
Speaker 1: and that is so Jo Peri's's performance this weekend. This
31:57
Speaker 1: has become almost explicitly now a two race shootout or
32:02
Speaker 1: window for him to save his seat. He says it's not,
32:05
Speaker 1: but help Michael Christian Order of heavily allude to the
32:08
Speaker 1: fact that it is. Even Daniel Ricardo alludes to the
32:10
Speaker 1: fact that it is now so certainly On started the
32:13
Speaker 1: weekend with what I feel like, in any other context,
32:17
Speaker 1: would be a backhanded compliment best Friday since China, as
32:21
Speaker 1: Christian Order described it. Then crashed out of Q one
32:24
Speaker 1: in a way that even I felt uneasy watching and
32:28
Speaker 1: felt bad watching it, like you're watching a career die
32:30
Speaker 1: on the line with it on the vine. Then had
32:32
Speaker 1: quite a reasonably good Sunday. In fact, Christian Orner went
32:35
Speaker 1: back to China as the example best Sunday since China.
32:38
Speaker 1: Scored points, finished seventh, got ahead of George Russel after
32:40
Speaker 1: falling behind him early in the race. Not enough points
32:43
Speaker 1: to prevent McLaren taking a big bite out of the
32:45
Speaker 1: Constructors Championship lead, but a better race, but Matt. I
32:49
Speaker 1: still feel like, as I think we spoke about last week,
32:53
Speaker 1: that can't be enough, can it. You know, a good
32:55
Speaker 1: enough race to seventh after crashing out in Q one
32:58
Speaker 1: and still a lot of points taken out of Constructors
32:59
Speaker 1: Champion Chip, I don't know if it cuts it.
33:03
Speaker 2: And I'm with you, Yes he scored points, but what
33:07
Speaker 2: he's got six points? Okay, So that means from the
33:11
Speaker 2: past four races. In fact, from the past six races,
33:15
Speaker 2: he scored seventeen points, and that's that's a poor return
33:20
Speaker 2: and investment from any driver. You know, you look at
33:26
Speaker 2: you look at his peers in in that sort of
33:29
Speaker 2: top three, top four bracket. Maximustappen had absolute shocker, one
33:34
Speaker 2: of his worst race weekends, probably his worst race that
33:39
Speaker 2: I can remember in terms of just you know, pure driving.
33:44
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't think Monaco was that bad. He
33:46
Speaker 2: just wasn't wasn't there. But in in Hungary he made
33:50
Speaker 2: mistakes and he still he was still scored ten points.
33:54
Speaker 2: Louis Hamilton scored fifteen, Charleclair scored scored twelve, Carlos scored eight.
34:02
Speaker 2: Sergio was still the lowest scoring of that scoring individual
34:07
Speaker 2: of that group. The team lost ground, and it's because
34:13
Speaker 2: he's not pulling his weight. When Max Verstappen doesn't have
34:16
Speaker 2: a good weekend, that's where you need Sergio to be
34:18
Speaker 2: having a fantastic weekend. That's what he's there for. He's
34:22
Speaker 2: not there to push Max and you know, finished second
34:26
Speaker 2: by a second. He's there for when Max can't finish
34:31
Speaker 2: first or second or third, to plug that gap. It's
34:36
Speaker 2: kind of that simple, and he's still not doing it.
34:40
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he goes into Belgium staring down
34:43
Speaker 2: the barrel of well, this could be my last Grand Prix.
34:47
Speaker 2: It is that serious. And you know, I've had messages
34:50
Speaker 2: from a few people over the last few weeks talking
34:53
Speaker 2: about this, some connected people as well, and they basically
35:00
Speaker 2: said as much. They're not willing to tell me categorically
35:03
Speaker 2: that my question obviously relates to to Daniel's involvement in
35:06
Speaker 2: a potential promotion to red Ball. They cannot and will
35:10
Speaker 2: not categorically rule it out, and wouldn't the team absolutely
35:17
Speaker 2: want to do that, because all it does is introduce uncertainty.
35:22
Speaker 2: If if you can absolutely categorically work that out, you
35:25
Speaker 2: do it. You don't. We don't comment on speculation or whatever.
35:28
Speaker 2: We'll know more later, is what we're what they're saying,
35:33
Speaker 2: and that's a hell of a thing to say. That
35:35
Speaker 2: showed zero faith in Sergio Perez. And I don't care
35:41
Speaker 2: what Christian Horner said after the Hungary and Grand Prix.
35:43
Speaker 2: It wasn't good enough. Okay, starting p nowhere on the
35:46
Speaker 2: group P sixteen shouldn't have been there. Have that same
35:49
Speaker 2: performance starting P five you're probably on the podium the
35:51
Speaker 2: way that race panned out, and so it was a
35:55
Speaker 2: missed opportunity, massive, massive missed opportunity, and for a driver
36:00
Speaker 2: in a car of that level, it's not good enough.
36:05
Speaker 2: A change has to be made Otherwise, to your previous
36:07
Speaker 2: point about McLaren and its challenge for the Constructors Championship,
36:11
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of races back, we were having
36:13
Speaker 2: a similar conversation about by the end of the year
36:16
Speaker 2: McLaren might just get there, might just be a challenger.
36:21
Speaker 2: We're now talking about Singapore. They could be leading the
36:23
Speaker 2: Constructors Championship. I mean that's a hell of a turnaround
36:25
Speaker 2: in the space of two or three races.
36:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was actually last week we were
36:30
Speaker 1: talking about the end of that, right.
36:34
Speaker 2: So you know they're fifty one points down, you get
36:39
Speaker 2: forty three for finishing first and second hypothetically by the
36:44
Speaker 2: Italian Grand Prix. Mathematically it's highly unlikely, of course, but
36:48
Speaker 2: mathematically McLaren could be leading the Constructors Championship and on
36:51
Speaker 2: current form you'd have to say that it's almost inevitability.
36:56
Speaker 2: Because Red Bull is fighting with one hand behind his back.
36:58
Speaker 2: It has to do something about the surger's problem. It's
37:00
Speaker 2: that simple.
37:02
Speaker 1: It seems to me now after the Hungarian Grand Prix
37:05
Speaker 1: that Daniel Ricardo would be at the top of the
37:07
Speaker 1: list to replace Sergio Perez. And there's been a lot
37:09
Speaker 1: of talk about Liam Lawson. Looks good every time the
37:11
Speaker 1: camera crosses to him, look serious and focused. I think
37:14
Speaker 1: you'll be in an RB before too long, a minimum,
37:17
Speaker 1: by the start of next year, because that makes much
37:19
Speaker 1: more sense when you've got Daniel Riccardo's experience, as we've
37:21
Speaker 1: talked about in previous episodes, but also we talk about
37:24
Speaker 1: him needing a certain number of good results. This was
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Speaker 1: a good weekend. The result didn't look that impressive. It
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Speaker 1: was twelfth, a few places behind Yuki Sinoda, but they
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Speaker 1: had qualified Yuki race players actually really quite good. Should
37:35
Speaker 1: have finished well ahead of Sonoda, had RB not put
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Speaker 1: him on a really quite baffling strategy pitting him with
37:42
Speaker 1: the soft tire starters when he was on the mediums.
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Speaker 1: Yuki started on the same mediums and finished the race
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Speaker 1: in a one stop strategy, finished ninth relatively comfortably. Riccardo
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Speaker 1: would have done the same. Some stats'm putting together for
37:53
Speaker 1: a Fox Sports article shows you that he should have
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Speaker 1: been had he'd run the same strategy as Yuki. Sonoda
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Speaker 1: got those only one seconds back from the pit stop.
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Speaker 1: Looking at his improved pace compared to Sonoda in that
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Speaker 1: second stint, would have finished perhaps as much as thirty
38:08
Speaker 1: seconds up the road of Sonoda because he had that
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Speaker 1: much pace in hand in that second stint. He was
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Speaker 1: in good form this weekend, and you could tell after
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Speaker 1: the race. It's probably the most worked up in a
38:18
Speaker 1: while we've seen Daniel really frustrated, really furious. This is
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Speaker 1: after he'd said at the start of the weekend, you know,
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Speaker 1: and this was his admission that these could be the
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Speaker 1: two most important race of his career. I still think
38:29
Speaker 1: despite the results, the showing was good. I think if
38:32
Speaker 1: the aim was to prove that he's that upturn inform
38:35
Speaker 1: we've talked about in the last month is continuing. I
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Speaker 1: think he still managed that despite what looks like quite
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Speaker 1: a poor head round the headline result.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is often the case with Daniel really anyone
38:47
Speaker 2: outside of the headline grabbing teams. You've got to dig
38:49
Speaker 2: below just the surface level result because fighting in the
38:52
Speaker 2: midfield is often a very nuanced, nuanced thing. And you're right.
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Speaker 2: It all came down to why the hell did Daniel
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Speaker 2: pit on lap five or whatever it was when he
39:04
Speaker 2: could probably have gone a lot longer, as evidenced by
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Speaker 2: Yuki Snoda. So I hadn't delved into it quite as
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Speaker 2: deeply as you had, but it was just surface level.
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Speaker 2: You could see that right there. It was clear that
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Speaker 2: was a strategic screw up that the team has now admitted.
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Speaker 2: As much Daniel's knew from within the as he was
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Speaker 2: coming in ped entry. He was questioning it, he said
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Speaker 2: post trace, if he can see it from from the cockpit,
39:30
Speaker 2: it's a little bit like McLaren and silver Soon, I
39:31
Speaker 2: guess why couldn't make the pit wallh it ahead of time?
39:35
Speaker 2: It's really in excuse. It's interesting there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: strategic errors happening at the moment. But you're right in
39:42
Speaker 2: that it was a good weekend for Daniel. It it
39:46
Speaker 2: started well enough. He delivered in qualifying. Yes, he was
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Speaker 2: ninth and Yuki Soda was only one spile behind, But
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Speaker 2: the difference was that Daniel didn't crash. Yuki crashed the car.
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Speaker 2: And if you're trying to demonstrate to a prospective employer,
40:04
Speaker 2: even if it's just for a promotion, you want to
40:07
Speaker 2: demonstrate that you can do the job, and you can
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Speaker 2: do it without any fanfare. You can do it without drumas,
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Speaker 2: you can do it without extending yourself. Daniel has the
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Speaker 2: track record, but he needs to revisit that a little bit.
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Speaker 2: I think he did that in a hungaring and it
40:26
Speaker 2: sort of follows on this trends really from sort of
40:29
Speaker 2: spain Ish where he started to deliver. He started to
40:34
Speaker 2: get that confidence back and the punchiness of his comments
40:37
Speaker 2: really speaks to the fact that he believes again.
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Speaker 1: I think that's very interesting. I think that that scenario
40:46
Speaker 1: was quite the pressure situation over the course of the
40:49
Speaker 1: weekend was really interesting to watch play out among all
40:51
Speaker 1: the different drivers. And I think in the next one
40:54
Speaker 1: we will inevitably in the next couple of weeks know
40:56
Speaker 1: how this is going to pan out. Rib Racing has
40:58
Speaker 1: said he will take a decision after the Belgian Grand Prix, Matt,
41:01
Speaker 1: which is this weekend. Before we wrap this podcast up,
41:04
Speaker 1: it is time for our ratings for the week. Would
41:08
Speaker 1: you like to start us off? This is now the
41:09
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the podcast.
41:11
Speaker 2: I love it. I feel that we probably need to
41:14
Speaker 2: explain what we're doing here. It's people coming cold. Basically,
41:19
Speaker 2: think of it as an alternative World Championship. Everyone's a contender. Michael,
41:23
Speaker 2: you're in You're in contention for the World Championship. It
41:25
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who you are, what you are. We just
41:28
Speaker 2: arbitrarily give or take points away based on how we feel.
41:33
Speaker 2: It's kind of that's that's the pistic end. That's that's
41:36
Speaker 2: as intelligent as it gets. Some of it's funny, some
41:40
Speaker 2: of it's just stupid, and all of it meaningless. So
41:45
Speaker 2: with that in mind, I'm going to start things off
41:49
Speaker 2: and my first lot of points goes to Oscar Piastri okay,
41:54
Speaker 2: and I'm going to give them a healthy five because
41:57
Speaker 2: it's a fifth Australian to win a World Championship Grand Prix,
42:01
Speaker 2: and I say World Championship Grand Prix because there's been
42:02
Speaker 2: plenty of non championship Groands Prix and many that won't
42:05
Speaker 2: even Formula One that Australians won. But in the World
42:08
Speaker 2: Championship and it's not Formula One, but in the World Championship,
42:12
Speaker 2: he's the fifth. I'll get off that high horse one day,
42:14
Speaker 2: but today it's not that day.
42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like a good technical call. It's very good.
42:18
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, my first five points also goes to Oscar Piastre.
42:24
Speaker 1: The number five was less in detail thought out than
42:27
Speaker 1: your five was. I just thought it was a satisfying
42:30
Speaker 1: but I give it to him for perhaps controversial reasons, Matt,
42:34
Speaker 1: and I give it to him for not doing the
42:36
Speaker 1: shoey after he won, because it's funny. I get it.
42:41
Speaker 1: Drinking from a shoe, it's not it's not a usual
42:43
Speaker 1: drinking vessel. I get it. But we don't all have
42:47
Speaker 1: to do it whenever anything good or interesting and notable happens.
42:52
Speaker 1: And I'm to me, yes, I'm at the end of
42:57
Speaker 1: every podcast, you're cracking.
42:58
Speaker 2: Out the shoe drink shoes kicking around, just only one
43:02
Speaker 2: shoe left in them though.
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Speaker 1: So I was quite pleased to see that he's going
43:05
Speaker 1: to find his own way to celebrate, even though I
43:07
Speaker 1: know you did the shoey in Silverston for.
43:08
Speaker 2: Some reason, but it was my point in Silverston, wasn't it.
43:14
Speaker 1: I don't follow the shoey trainers, so I'm perfectly happy
43:18
Speaker 1: with these five points.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was a good day for Oscar Piastre. He
43:23
Speaker 2: he won a little race in Hungary and scored ten
43:25
Speaker 2: big points in our alternative championship, and I know which
43:28
Speaker 2: one means more to him.
43:31
Speaker 1: We didn't celebrate that hard after Hungry, so it's possibly
43:34
Speaker 1: our one.
43:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, did see all mate give him the cash and
43:37
Speaker 2: say you're going to win this week? And yep, that
43:41
Speaker 2: was that was pretty good. All right? My second one
43:44
Speaker 2: of points. Then what we give we must take us away.
43:48
Speaker 2: Given that Oscar has been given ten for winning, I'm
43:52
Speaker 2: going to take eighty one away from from Lando Norris.
43:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just.
43:57
Speaker 2: Taken the number at random. Eighty one. Don't know where
43:58
Speaker 2: that's come from, but I thought that was that was
44:04
Speaker 2: just poor form. And you know what, I'm going to
44:07
Speaker 2: take eighty one away from McLaren as well. Just oh wow,
44:10
Speaker 2: it's not a slash McClaren, because I think they both
44:13
Speaker 2: made a Millise.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting to see how the statiticians de code
44:18
Speaker 1: that kind of entry in the championship standings. At least
44:20
Speaker 1: it's not half points. I'm happy with that. My I'm
44:23
Speaker 1: taking going back to the negatives taking fifty points off RB,
44:28
Speaker 1: because that's roughly the disparity between where Daniel Riccardo finished
44:32
Speaker 1: and where he should have finished fifty seconds up the road.
44:35
Speaker 1: It would have been ninth place, would have scored two points,
44:37
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been talking about how disappointed he was afterwards.
44:40
Speaker 1: It was just as Riccardo said in his two hundred
44:43
Speaker 1: and fifty odd races, it's the worst strategy he's ever
44:45
Speaker 1: had and just poor form all round.
44:48
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you it's two hundred and fifty
44:50
Speaker 2: two race starts, two hundred and fifty three pre hundred
44:54
Speaker 2: and fifty two starts. So I know that because that's
44:56
Speaker 2: how many points I've taken from RB this weekend.
45:00
Speaker 1: Oh it's gonna be did come back from RB?
45:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, three hundred and two points gone like that for
45:07
Speaker 2: For RB, they're really going to have to a little
45:11
Speaker 2: bit like the Bridge Grand Pre organizers. They're going they're
45:14
Speaker 2: going to have to lift from from monears, but.
45:21
Speaker 1: It's been a rough week for Abbi. Way fewer points
45:25
Speaker 1: in our championship than obviously in the actual one and
45:26
Speaker 1: Formida one. But my final one is Max for Stafford.
45:30
Speaker 1: He gets minus one point, not for competing in the
45:35
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of Noboobering or whatever it was. Per se.
45:37
Speaker 1: I don't mind that he was up till three am.
45:39
Speaker 1: I sure he slept before and afterwards. He knows what
45:41
Speaker 1: he's doing. He's done it before. In fact, I think
45:43
Speaker 1: he did it before winning the Midi Romania Grand Prix.
45:46
Speaker 1: One point off for appearing not to have a life
45:49
Speaker 1: like entering so many overnight Well, I have to be overnight.
45:52
Speaker 1: I guess they're twenty four hour races, SIM races when
45:55
Speaker 1: your day job is racing a Formula one car. I mean,
45:58
Speaker 1: someone's got to take him out to show them a
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Speaker 1: good time, because I just find that a little bit sad.
46:05
Speaker 2: Isn't it that most Formula one drivers use the SIM
46:08
Speaker 2: to improve their real racing. Max uses real racing to
46:11
Speaker 2: improve previously.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, I suppose that's probably true.
46:17
Speaker 2: Actually that's from everything I've seen. I don't think Max
46:23
Speaker 2: needs too much encouragement to have a good time, but.
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Speaker 1: No, that's true actually, so maybe maybe later down the
46:29
Speaker 1: line will give him some points showing that he's having
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Speaker 1: a good time. But for me, I just thought, just
46:34
Speaker 1: take the time off, go and do something. Can't do
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Speaker 1: have a meal, go out, I don't know, it's pets
46:38
Speaker 1: a great city anyway. There are rankings for this week.
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with the rankings and other content next week,
46:43
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46:45
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46:47
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46:50
Speaker 1: before the August break, and what driver market moves may
46:54
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